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Let's welcome the incredibly inspirational Lucy Gossage to this podcast episode. A professional Ironman champion, Triathlon, oncologist, charity founder and much more.
In this week's episode of Mental Wealth, we touch on the topic of moving forward and taking everything one step at a time. Overcoming obstacles, and finding the motivation to propel yourself towards a brighter future. Whether it's a goal or an uncomfortable situation, sometimes, the hardest part is just showing up and being present.
We also talk about the amazing day we had together doing the Yorkshire three peaks for 5k your way charity. What challenge but rewarding day it was!
Make sure to check out Lucy's incredible work:
https://5kyourway.org/
https://lucygossage.com/
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Episode 32 - Keep moving
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::Welcome to mental wealth, the podcast to invest in your mind. Here I will help you make sense of your mind and behaviours, giving you the tools to have your best life there is so.
::Much to share, so let's get.
::Into this episode and explore another great topic.
::So welcome to episode 32 of mental wealth, and I am delighted to say that I am sharing this space with a very inspirational lady, somebody who has literally blew my own mind the first time I heard her speak and the first time I heard her story and we are hopefully going to inspire.
::You the listener, so welcome to Lucy Gossage.
::Hello. Thanks for having me on. Nice to see you again.
::Are. Yeah. Well, we, you and I have shared.
::A space together haven't we.
::Up three mountains, or at least, certainly.
::Up 1 Mountain you came back.
::Up when I did the three peaks.
::Ohh it was such a it was such an amazing day and I remember.
::Being, yeah, meeting you the night before and being like, who's this lady who's come on alone like, A, wow. And B, is she gonna be able to do it? And then yeah, it was such a such a cool few hours with you and and the people in your group at the end of.
::At the end of that hike, I yeah, one of the highlights of my year actually.
::Yeah, it probably was THE highlight for my year.
::And I I actually.
::Love the fact that I chatted to.
::You a little bit on the.
::Friday and there was.
::Something in you that said, I'm not sure that she'll do it because we were talking.
::About how how much training you had done, you know this is the Yorkshire three peaks. So it was 24 miles, wasn't it? Up and down three mountains. And and I love the fact that.
::Not so much that.
::I proved you wrong because it's not about that for me, but it there is something in me. The perception that we.
::Gave or or.
::Whatever it was that I said, and then the interpretation, you know, I'm always interested in how we interpret what other people are saying.
::I think it wasn't.
::Another impact.
::It wasn't that I I didn't think you could do it. I was just amazed by your and Mel as well. The bravery of you coming on your own because that's something I would never do. I find it really hard to put myself out of my comfort zone and and turning up something like that on my own to do something that you had never done anything.
::Like that before.
::And and so it wasn't that I didn't think you could do it. It was more. I was worried that, you know, how would you cope if you couldn't do it? And and and I guess blown away by the the courage it takes to to just turn up.
::Because that's that's obviously that's often the biggest hurdle for people, is turning up and and I think that was, yeah, I guess that was that was where I was and and to be fair you you know you.
::Weren't that selling that confidence that you thought you'd be able to do it? It was a massive thing for you and you had never done anything like that.
::For so yeah, I guess that's where where I was.
::I think you're right.
::To be there. I mean, I wasn't sure, you know, I mean, I did. I remember signing up to.
::It because I've been inspired by you.
::You and Caroline and some of the other.
::People that I've.
::Met at the Louise Minchin's the Fearless launch and there.
::Was a bit of.
::Me. That's like, what have I done, you know?
::Have I done the right thing here?
::Pushing through has become.
::Something that I.
::Can see is part of what I'm offering to everybody, but I think the fact that I've had that experience has actually given me another lift in terms of no come on. We've got so much we can push so much.
::More what I.
::Observed on that.
::That that walk was.
::The depth that you can go to.
::You know.
::I'm a big fan of people knowing when to stop, I think.
::There's something in there.
::But I just.
::Sometimes you know, just that relentless. Come on, let's encourage each other. Let's you know, as you say Mel, I had Mel on as a previous guest few weeks ago and she was just, yeah, in sensational young person.
::But I think that is that is why I that was a highlight of my year because.
::I for so long, I never did anything I didn't know I'd succeed at. I was so scared of failing until I did my first triathlon and and nothing for me will ever beat that feeling of of achieving impossible when I when I've did my first iron man. And I guess for me seeing seeing someone.
::Achieve something that to them felt at the start, so impossible is is something that gives me the biggest pleasure, and that's what I love. With 5K your way, move against cancer. And that for me is what I took from from that group. Because for me doing the three peaks, you know, I did stuff like that every weekend. It's it's my bread and butter.
::So it's but, but for everyone in that group, it was such a massive, massive thing, and I love being part of that and being part of that joy and overcoming all these setbacks and, you know, Mel was limping in with her knee and and that that seeing people really put themselves out their comfort zone and get that high, that that I've learned to.
::Yet it's it's just ohh it's just, say say rewarding.
::It's brilliant and I think just having Someone Like You there was inspirational because it does help you keep going. I mean, I limped in not physically, but tourists are still sore today, but I brought my my boots. I don't know if you remember my my boots fell apart and you know.
::I did with one boot missing really but.
::I just love the whole.
::Yeah, I do.
::Love the whole.
::Thing anyway.
::Let's just tell everyone who's listening in a little bit more about you, Lucy, because you've sort of hinted, you know, you've hinted Iron Man, but we know that you've done multiple and you are somebody who is out there pushing yourself. And I just think let's just introduce you a little bit more about who you are because you've also got a very important job.
::Yeah. So I'm an oncologist. I work in Nottingham. I do a lot of work with younger people, so I treat testicular cancers and sarcomas. I used to be a professional triathlete. So yeah, I did race professionally quite a long time. That was all the all the a drunken dare that started my whole triathlon career. And I Co founded the 5K your way.
::Move against cancer initiative and spend a lot of my time supporting and move charity move gets cancer charity which basically uses exercise movement physical activity as a tool to support people living with an after cancer.
::So that was the whole point of the the Yorkshire three peaks. So yeah, those are my kind of three strands of work. I'm not not a professional athlete anymore, but I love.
::Kind of finding crazy.
::Challenges for myself.
::Well, and I think you've inspired, you know, as I know, Mel and I've talked about, you've inspired us to think, well, what's next? You know, I I sort of thought that would be a one off for me, but actually it has triggered something in me to think that pushing yourself is is it's quite addictive and and I can. I'm not saying I'm going to.
::Do what you've.
::Done, Lucy. ever.
::But I think just wondering what might be next.
:: For us,: ::But what I think would be really.
::Nice for us to talk about as.
::We've got you here is that.
::Challenge that people find themselves in when physically they've got something they're trying to deal with.
::Which we all know can be very consuming.
::And and actually kind of thinking about how we can help ourselves. So obviously I'm always focused on the mind. But for me, movement is part of that and I'm just interested in kind of you know what kind of things do you often talk about or hear people saying that makes the difference between them doing maybe better.
::Then if they had the opposite.
::Did you mean professionally like in in terms of people that I see at work?
::Yeah, just I suppose I'm just interested in the what the difference is sometimes about how well somebody could do with their symptoms or their condition. I mean, I'm.
::Not saying that we.
::Can only think ourselves healthy again, but there's definitely a lot of proof out there isn't.
::There that your mindset and.
::How you approach?
::Something makes us such a difference.
::Yeah, I think.
::It's quite a tricky one to answer so so I'm gonna divert a little tactic a little bit to direct tack. You know what I mean? I one of the reasons I love oncology is because we see humans at their best. So I see the tenacity of people every single day.
::And I'm blown away. It's why I love.
::By the way, people deal with situations that I personally don't think I'd be able.
::To deal with.
::And actually, everyone, nearly everybody would say they didn't. They didn't think they'd be able to deal with what they do, but they do. And. And actually, I often reflect back on that with people.
::And so I saw a young guy yesterday.
::He's about 25/26 and he was walking down the road. He broke his leg. Just a, you know, walking down the road to to the pub. It turned out he had cancer. He then had to spend 10 weeks on tractions. He stuck on his bed with his leg pinned in traction whilst he was having chemo kind of infused into his veins.
::Then he had his leg chopped off, so he had a full amputation. Then he had another five months of chemotherapy.
::And he got through it and he, you know, he would say like I don't know how I'm doing this and and that's and and I can't imagine going through that I can't imagine anyone missing this can think there's no way I could deal with that but actually what I realise that human is is is when they when.
::When the **** does hit the fan.
::We do always cope and I've probably only seen two people ever who who genuinely haven't cope.
::And and I and I guess that's the most, yeah. Life affirming part of oncology. I think talking about so psychology is really helpful and we we have increasingly psychology support in the NHS and I'm really lucky I have really good psychologists that I can refer my patients to and actually I would always encourage.
::Encouraged them to take that up. I kind of dismissed psychology until I invested in it myself as a as an athlete and realised how helpful it is.
::I think telling someone to think positively is actually not helpful because that can be very destructive cause you can't change how you can feel. You can change how you react to how you feel, that you feel, what you feel and and telling yourself coming. You should be dealing with this better is not.
::Helpful at all.
::I think that's perhaps something that.
::That that the loved ones of people with cancer or people going there, any traumatic kind of situation, the natural instinct is, you know, think positively you think. But actually they're they're often. You often can't think positively and in that moment you think you feel what you feel but you can learn strategies just to to deal with how you feel.
::Yeah. And I would totally agree with that I often.
::And you'll often hear me saying it's not just about flip the switch and think right. I'll feel good about whatever it is that you're dealing with or it's a broken relationship or a whatever it is that you're dealing with. It is about being present to whatever it is that you're feeling and not fighting with yourself because you know, permission to feel whatever it is. As you say you're feeling. If you feel sad.
::About this situation, or feel angry, whatever it is, but what I'm interested in is they're not staying with that because that's where it becomes quite problematic.
::Yeah, and.
::So there are. So I think this is where for me exercise is a is a really powerful tool and and I guess that's why kind of founded 5k your way and believe so much in in what moves can do because exercise.
::Is so so something?
::People with cancer would often say to me, is what? What can I do? Like how can I and you can't tell someone to think positively cause actually.
::There may not be a positive thought. You can, you know, you can. You can help them to to do things that make them happy. But but.
::But that's not really helpful. But they would say what can I do to actually help myself? And exercise is something that's got lots of physical benefits. We know it makes people feel better. We know it reduces side effects, and it probably also improves kind of outcomes. So there's evidence behind that. And I guess personally, I have have that lived experience of of.
::Of what an amazing tool it can be as a stress, not as an athlete actually, but just as a stress release. So my you know, after a bad day at work for me that cycle or run home is the time that I have to to find my head space to clear my head, to ruminate, to process, and then I get home and put it to bed.
::So yeah, I guess, I guess that's something that I believe really passionately can can be a tool for people with cancer and it's not something the NHS professionals necessarily talk to. People talk to to people about. It doesn't have to be running by any means, it can just be, you know it can be movement or dancing or you know.
::Any kind of community kind of physical. So is there anything that combines community with that peer support being around people who get what it's like to have cancer with being active can be a really positive tool.
::Definitely. And I think that's what.
::The essence of your... Well that is the essence of your whole.
::Get people moving regardless of your age, your capability, because that's what I understand. Your 5K my way is very much around you.
::Know it's it's.
::It's different to say the.
::Ohh, I've lost the words the.
::How you piggybacked on what's the one on this. That's the one. Thank you.
::Parkrun.
::Yeah, it it's.
::That obviously has a slightly stronger you've got.
::A. It should be able to run.
::Although lots of people walk whereas.
::This is very much all ages, isn't it? It's all sizes, all shapes, all everything.
::And it's, yeah, it's about doing something, doing whatever you can do. You know, you do as much with little as you want, but it's it's something that a lot of people say it's something positive that they can focus on, that they can work towards. It's a date in the diary. That's not a hospital appoint.
::And I had this amazing lady called Sue who who's died now, but she took it, took her running in her 70s because of 5K your way when she'd been diagnosed with incurable bowel cancer and she couldn't run at all. She just saw the flyer she built up to it really gradually. But she said for her it was it.
::Was just this this.
::Thing that she could focus on.
::And she said I'll never forget it. She said when people ask me how I.
::Am I don't talk.
::About the bad stuff, I tell them I've started.
::Running so you know that's one end of the spectrum. And then I think, listening to Mel is listening to her words about the online programme and it's building that confidence back after you've been through cancer treatment. You've had, you know, your body has changed, you're you've lost that sense of identity, which so many people say life's moved on without you while you've been going through treatment.
::And all that exercise or there's not really exercise, but movement can be such a big, powerful confidence builder.
::Yeah, I think, yeah.
::I was listening to something she recorded just recently. Actually, Mel, she'd been to a sounded like sort of an out and boundy place. And and again, she was just talking about the connections that she was making and the the shared experience, which she's just ultimately the the goal really isn't it?
::Yeah. And I think that's what you know, a lot of the the the charity does is it brings people together. So I guess going back to your original question, which I've sidestepped very well because I I I'm, I'm not gonna tell people with cancer.
::How to think? I just I I don't. I don't feel like that's helpful or certainly don't have the qualifications or the expertise to do so. But what what 5K your way does and what that three peaks day does is bring together a group of people who yes, they've had cancer, they've got cancer.
::You know they they've been through or are going through stuff that unless you've had cancer, you probably can't imagine.
::But they're still getting on with life, and they're still putting themselves at the comfort zone, and they're still finding things that scare them and excite them and facing up to that impossible. And I guess for me, as an athlete, one of my biggest mantras is.
::When things get tough, I remind myself that being able to choose to suffer is such a privilege because so many people don't have that. And I think what I saw on the the three peaks was.
::A lot of people who have had to suffer without any choice, like Mel going through her brain tumour treatment, but there she was choosing to suffer and that's so different and that that can give such a positive confidence boost. And I I guess that's yeah, I find that really helpful as a motivator when I'm doing something crazy and I'm in a bit of a hole.
::Yeah, and I, me too and I.
::Think that's what I was.
::Talking about earlier, is that experience for me?
::Has shown me something else.
::Personally, within resilience within that peace around how do you keep going?
::And for me, I was the same on that walk. I was looking at Mel and and Renee and a couple of the others on our.
::In our group.
::Who've been through and I had to say, well, you even get get on with it, Alison. You know, get get your get yourself moving because.
::You haven't had that. You know I'm.
::I was choosing to put myself through that and I.
::Think the resilience.
::You, you said before, Lucy, about, you know, we are way more. There's always way more for us as humans and and the demonstration of how we cope. When something does happen is phenomenal, isn't it? With how different people.
::Cope, but how well?
::We usually do.
::Absolutely. But I think no matter what, you know, I'm, I'm doing this crazy race in a few weeks time.
::It's unlike anything I've ever done before. It absolutely terrifies me and and I, you know, I know people have done it before, but I still, and I'm like, how how on Earth am I going to be able to do it? How? Yeah, I guess I'm where where you were before that or where Mel was before that.
::Three peaks like.
::How I I've never done that distance before. I've never done even.
::Half that distance.
::Well, I don't think any of that, you know and that's that's normal and and and I guess.
::Yeah, I think in in life it's it's good to do something that scares you every now and then. You wanna do stuff that doesn't scare you as well. But it's good to have, you know, every now and then something that seems impossible just to see if it can cause you never know.
::That's the resilient. That's the piece, isn't it? That's the resilient piece that I think if people stay in their comfort zones, they don't really know whether they will or they what will happen. I mean, again, you know, we we're talking about about the three peaks. But for me, yeah. Did I think about two nights in I did think.
::Gosh, what we're going to do if we.
::Can't do it, but actually that is.
::Normal because I've never walk that far. I've done anything like that before, so my brain doesn't have a reference. My body doesn't have a reference, but actually just the whole thing of there's always more.
::Digging deep, you know there was times where I was being pulled along by all the people. There's times where I was doing the pulling along and there.
::Was times.
::Where I was literally.
::On my own, doing a little mantra, you are strong. You are, you know, my legs. Come on, legs. Come on, legs. You know. And but whatever it is, whether it's a physical stretch or whether it's in a mental stretch or an emotional stretch, there is.
::always one.
::Yeah. And actually, you know, we're talking about physical challenges, but there, there are lots of things that that I do that are kind of psychological challenges as well. So I I guess when you started this podcast, you're probably quite nervous. I know we started run through the the charity and we were, you know, I was, if anyone gonna listen, what if it's awful? What if I asked the wrong questions?
::And if I must to do a talk, I.
::I always get really, really nervous, you know, and I have all this self doubt and I I guess I've learned through sports psychologies and some self talk techniques that I can use to, to remind myself and and give me that confidence to to kind of build up that confidence. But yeah, putting yourself out of your comfort zone certainly doesn't have to be physical.
::You could be taking on a new roller or pushing yourself forward to a new role at work or going.
::On a date.
::Like I met my partner on a date and I was way out of my comfort zone going, you know, going to meet someone that I never met.
::Before I, but I yeah, I definitely have the motto. It's always better to try and fail than to sit at home and wonder what if and as I say, I learned that through triathlon before triathlon, I never did anything I wouldn't. I didn't know I'd succeed at and and sport took me all of that, taught me all of that and I think that's such a helpful, helpful life lesson.
::I think something that.
::I want to just highlight Lucy.
::Is that for a lot of people hearing.
::You say that you.
::Know if you how many triathlon did you do? You know it's a lot, isn't it? What's your? What's your current number?
::I've got. I've got no idea.
::There's a lot, isn't it?
::Yeah, I know. I won 49 runs. So yeah, I've I've done loads of triathlons, but everyone I would have doubts and and and they might not be. You know, I I did lot quite.
:: ::A lot of them.
::With injuries, I did one like a few days after a boyfriend and and I had broken up no one.
::Ever knew about that?
::It was just. I was just on the start line with my smiley face, you know, trying to put on this well, generally I did. I loved it. I did have this confidence, kind of this you.
::Know this, I'm.
::Just doing it for fun, but there was there was so often there was something.
::In the background and.
::Yeah, I think everyone has doubts. It's normal. It almost. I think it's a good.
::Thing because it.
::Shows you care and it it makes you.
::Prepared and and yeah, the biggest biggest successes I always think of where you do have doubts and then you put yourself out there.
::You give it.
::A go and.
::You know you do succeed. Whether that is just getting the finish line.
::Or, you know, giving the talk or.
::Going on that first date or whatever it is.
::I think it, but I.
::You know, again I do want.
::To just come back and say it is.
::So good when?
::Other people can hear Someone Like You who has done some incredible things and and made some amazing achievements to have won that many ironman. You know it's it.
::To not just compete to actually have won it, to be the champion and to still say, yeah, I still feel unsure sometimes and I still wobble because I think that's the problem is.
::A lot of people get.
::So stuck in their.
::Heads. They think they're the only.
::One who's thinking that they look at people like you and think.
::Well, I could never.
::Do that and they just rule everything.
::And one of the things I'm you know, often talking to people about is how are you gonna make those small steps? You know, we don't need to compare. We're all different, however, how can we see each other as inspirational rather than a stop sign? And I think that's the big, you know, that is interesting.
::Yeah. And I you know, this race I'm doing in, in a few weeks so.
::The New Year's Eve I sprained my ankle really badly and we were doing a run overnight and that is, you know, that's that's where I was at the start of the the year and then a week later I put in.
::This entry for this you know, really.
::Long, ridiculous race, that is.
::Just utterly bonkers, and there were there were.
::So many reasons.
::I I wouldn't be able to finish it and I might not finish it, but actually I've just really embraced kind of I I I've looked at it like a big jigsaw and there all these pieces that I've needed to find to to not necessarily get me to the finish line but to get me to the start line knowing I've done what I can do to get to give myself the best chance of getting to the finish line.
::I really enjoyed that process of, you know, my ankles. One of my biggest - I spent a lot of time trying to strengthen them. I've done all the things that scared me. I've I've gone for runs in the night I.
::Found ways of coping with mud. I found ways of you know, but that's it's all little jigsaw puzzles, but I've I've been trying to put together and I feel like I've always got this jigsaw and actually for me the race now it's it it genuinely, I genuinely I feel success if I can just get to two weeks time with no injuries.
::I feel that is a success cause I've had such an amazing year collecting all those jigsaw pieces.
::Is and the race is just the bonus and and I think that's it. I I guess that's maybe a a way that you can you can kind of chunk stuff and and I've just found that really yeah really helpful on it. It's quite positive you.
::Know like, yeah.
::I've got the last, the ice jigsaw piece earlier in the week and.
::I was like, well, that's what I was missing.
::I love that I mean a bit. I'm a big fan of chunking things down for people, myself included, but I think something that I think was really.
::Pulling in that you said.
::Lucy, was that actually to focus on getting to the start of something.
::Rather than actually focused on the end of something, whatever that thing is, as we said, whether that's.
::A new job or a or?
::A some sort of physical achievement, but actually just spending time focusing.
::On everything that you.
::Need to get you started because usually once you're there.
::Most people do then say don't they? It was never as bad as I thought. Blah blah blah. So actually.
::If we do focus on getting.
::To the start of something.
::And not worry about the.
::End. I mean I have.
::I've just realised that that's what I did.
::For the three peaks.
::Is I just got myself there.
::And then the rest was gonna be the rest. And you know that was.
::That but I love.
::That and thought, and it's something that I've not particularly focused on before is to just let's get to the start of whatever it is that you want to do and.
::Then the rest.
::Also, yeah, I think if you if you get to so if I get to this race and I can't finish whatever reason, I'll be gutted, I will.
::I will be really gutted.
::That it. But I know I I will know that I've done everything I could do. There's nothing I could have done differently. Like I I did try. And if I sprained my ankle, yes, I will be fuming and I would be devastated, but I couldn't have done any more to stop that and and I think that that knowledge is really, really powerful and and it's also I guess there's so many positives that I've.
::Yeah, I've had all these incredible experiences. I've developed so many skills I've done and stuff I never thought I'd be able to do. So I I genuinely, 100% hand on heart.
::Getting to that start line is all I ever really wanted to do, and that the finish is a bonus and it sounds such a cliche, but I've never I've never said anything that I believe more than than I have actually with this race and I I think that's, I guess something that I learned from triathlon as well.
::I think that's a I think that's a.
::Anchor for us all. To be honest, I think it's something that a lot of.
::People need to.
::Maybe shift their thinking on is focused on getting to the start of something.
::And chunking the getting there down and then obviously yes, there's some thought in the planning, but the rest is the rest, isn't it? And you know, so many people don't do things for fear of the failure, but actually let's focus on getting there in the 1st place, whatever that might look like. And I think then people.
::Maybe we'll get.
::Chugged along a little bit easier.
::Yeah, and their success in getting to the start line because that alone is is success.
::Yeah, I mean that's where for me, you know, signing up to something, you've already set your intention. It's kind of, you know, you've already started to do something and I think then the rest kind of follows. And I think if we can all do that, I hear so many people all the time saying, Oh well, you know, I don't want to.
::Right. Just failing that I.
::Don't. I'm not gonna go forward.
::I don't think I'm.
::Good enough. I do all the chitchat that goes on.
::In the mind. But actually, if we just did.
::Your strategy, which is let's focus on.
::Getting to the thing, whatever The thing is.
::Let's let's do that.
::I feel like that is a quite a.
::Big anchor, as I've said before.
:: ::Yeah, I actually often I mean I guess it's it's very different but not that dissimilar with with patients like often I meet them and they might have.
::Lots of questions and and one of the big questions is you know, what are the expectations? How long have I got to live?
::What's gonna happen? What happens if this doesn't work? What happens if this? If this is this and I I I don't think that is necessarily that helpful and and the analogy I I never know whether people do find it helpful, but I in my head I always think of it that you're you're a tree and the trees branching. We made the decision we're going going.
::Down this route.
::Left our route, but we.
::We have no idea where.
::Things are going to go whether the first treatments going to work, what the next scan will look about look like. So I I think it's more helpful kind of thinking. OK, let's take it step by step and we know the first step is gonna be this and then we'll make the next time we'll have a better idea of where the where the final step might be at that point. But that's. Yeah, that's kind of how I encourage people to think a bit at the start.
::Rather than trying to have all the questions and and.
::Let the end point.
::Right at the first consultation, cause no one. No one knows.
::No, and I think if that's a good strategy just for anything in life, isn't it is to not trying them too far in advance because there's so many options or different branches as you said along the way with whatever it is that you're trying to do. I mean, again, I'm often talking to people about.
::You know when you have got.
::Too far when your brain is trying to focus too far ahead in, it doesn't know.
::So automatically you literally flip the action switch because it doesn't have. I mean, we don't like the human brain is a certainty making machine. So that's why people have lots of questions for you probably Lucy.
::Yeah. And it's good to have dreams like it's like, you know, when I had that sprained ankle. Still have that dream of finishing this race.
::But if I thought about it.
::There's no way you.
::Can do it, but actually step by step you get. Just get it each little.
::Bit I don't.
::Know. So you you still wanna be able to dream? But yeah, then you need to break it down.
::I think so.
::I I I'm liking the idea of having the big training and then putting your attention on getting to the.
::Start of it.
::I think that's a new something that we've come up with today that I haven't focused on and I often talk about chunking things down often talk about, you know, how are you going to get to the end of your goal, but actually just getting to the start of the end of your goal, that makes sense, whatever that might be. I think that's something to definitely.
::Think about and.
::I know now that's exactly what I did.
::They didn't worry too much about.
::The end I just did each step and you know, and the feeling that you get from that achievement that you said when you know you've pushed yourself hard, that feeling is.
::It's addictive. Actually. It's. I can remember being on that top of that. It was all foggy, wasn't it? And it was just unbelievable. Believable. Yeah. Something brilliant. Ohh, really. Oh, thank you so much for coming. I know how busy you.
::Are and I?
::Really appreciate you giving up your time for us today.
::Well, I love that we have no idea where we'd end up, but we ended up with something that's quite.
::Quite, quite cool. So there we go.
::It was really cool. I'm loving it. Really good. Thank you so much and obviously good luck in your next venture.
:: gs because they're quite nice: ::So I'll have.
::I'll add them to my library for for for days in.
::The hills, so yeah.
::Brilliant. Well, you know.
::One of the other ones was Caroline Bramwell. She was in our.
::OK. Yeah.
::Group on the.
::Yeah, yeah, I know Caroline.
::Yeah. So she check hers out. Hers is good too. But thank you, Lucy.
::No, really lovely. Lovely to see you again and yeah, hopefully we'll think we're doing another another move. Charity thing next year. We're gonna do it. I think we're gonna have cause. I think the one.
::Thing that I didn't that was missing.
::Was everyone finishing at similar time? So I think what we're going to do is have like the the basic distance, but then have some shorter, a shorter one and a longer one. So they one starts together and the quick people just do an extra 15 miles or whatever and everyone vaguely finishes around the same time. So there's a bit more of.
::A community finish I quite.
::Ohh, nice. And is it so something similar as in mountains and?
::Yeah, but not the three peaks, but similar kind of challenge, I guess.
::I'm laughing.
::But we'll hopefully see you there.
::I would be interested in that what?
::Will it will I get? I probably get something about?
::It will. I will leave.
::Yeah, I really.
::Love everyone that was that. Turned out last time.
::Yeah. Brilliant. Brilliant. Ohh. Thank you, Lucy. Great to see you again.
::Alright, love. Yeah.
::Lovely to see you, Allison. Take care. Bye bye.
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