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Navigating Fragmentation: What It Takes to Achieve Coherence
Episode 121316th June 2026 • The Wheelhouse • Dr. Grant Chandler
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The essence of sustaining a coherent human system amidst the pressures of contemporary educational environments is the focal point of our discussion. We delve into the intricacies of what disciplined coherence truly entails for leaders, particularly in navigating the complexities that threaten to fragment their systems. Under duress, it becomes evident that many systems falter not in their vision or strategic planning, but rather in their implementation. The conversation highlights the imperative for leaders to protect their purpose amidst urgency and competing priorities, fostering an environment where coherence is not merely aspirational but actionable. As we explore these themes, we aim to illuminate the leadership habits that can fortify our educational institutions against fragmentation, ensuring that the experience of students remains central to our endeavors.

Additional Notes

The discourse surrounding the concept of coherence within educational systems delves deeply into the intricate dynamics that govern the sustainability of such systems amidst external pressures. My esteemed colleagues and I elucidate the essence of disciplined coherence, positing that mere vision and strategic planning are insufficient; rather, it is the rigorous implementation and maintenance of alignment that defines a coherent system. Throughout our conversation, we explore the multifaceted challenges faced by leaders as they strive to uphold a coherent educational environment in the face of fragmentation and competing priorities. Pressures from various stakeholders, including political demands and compliance obligations, often lead to a reactive leadership style that detracts from the core mission of fostering a meaningful educational experience for students. We further dissect the characteristics of effective leadership that is committed to coherence, emphasizing the necessity for leaders to be equipped with the tools and insights required to navigate these tumultuous waters. A critical aspect of our dialogue centers on the importance of understanding one's operating system—how leaders think and respond under pressure—and the significance of maintaining a clear focus on the ultimate purpose of their endeavors. The conversation collectively highlights the essential habits and strategies that can empower leaders to protect coherence, ensuring that the educational experience remains human-centered and aligned with the institution's mission. In conclusion, we reflect upon the moral imperative of leadership within educational contexts, acknowledging that coherence is not merely a desirable outcome but a fundamental necessity for the effective functioning of educational systems. The insights shared in this episode serve as a clarion call for leaders to adopt a disciplined approach to coherence, fostering environments where both educators and students can thrive in a harmonious and supportive learning ecosystem.

Takeaways:

  • Sustaining a coherent human system under pressure necessitates intentional leadership that prioritizes alignment.
  • Under the duress of urgency and competing priorities, systems often drift towards fragmentation, impacting student experiences negatively.
  • Coherence is not merely achieved through visionary statements but requires disciplined and consistent implementation over time.
  • Effective leadership habits must focus on protecting the core purpose and ensuring that all initiatives align with student experiences.
  • Leaders must develop the capacity to pause and reflect, avoiding reactionary decisions that disrupt coherence within their systems.
  • Incoherence often arises from adult behaviors that prioritize comfort over the well-being of students; addressing this is crucial for systemic improvement.

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Transcripts

Speaker A:

We've talked about drift and we've talked about coherence, and now we get to the real question.

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What does it actually take to sustain a coherent human system when the pressure is real?

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This is where most systems struggle.

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Not in vision, not in strategic planning, not in mission statements, in implementation.

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Under pressure, systems drift toward fragmentation, leaders become reactive, initiatives compete for attention, and students experience the consequences.

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So today, the Wheelhouse team pushes me on the hardest part of this work.

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What does disciplined coherence actually look like in practice?

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How do leaders protect purpose when urgency takes over?

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How do systems stay human while navigating accountability, politics, and complexity?

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And what kinds of leadership habits keep schools oriented toward what matters most?

Speaker A:

Coherence is not built through inspiration alone.

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It's built through disciplined leadership over time.

Speaker A:

A new episode of the Wheelhouse begins right now.

Speaker A:

Welcome to the Wheelhouse, a Students Matter podcast where we navigate the intersection of leadership, learning, and humanity.

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I'm Dr. Grant Chandler and this is the final episode in our three part hiatus series exploring the Students Matter ecosystem.

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My thanks again to the Wheelhouse team, Kathy Mone, Michael Pipa, and Dr. Alicia Munro for leading these conversations and helping us wrestle publicly with the deeper ideas underneath this work.

Speaker A:

In episode one, we confronted the reality of drift.

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In episode two, we explored coherence and the architecture of the Students Matter ecosystem.

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Today, we move into the hardest part of the implementation.

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The truth is, most systems don't struggle to create vision.

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They struggle to sustain alignment under pressure.

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And pressure changes things.

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Urgency changes things.

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Fatigue changes things.

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Politics, accountability, competing priorities, and adult behavior all shape whether a system remains coherent or slowly drifts back toward fragmentation.

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So today we're asking, what does the disciplined coherence actually require from leaders?

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What habits sustain human centered systems over time?

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And how do we stop protecting fragmentation simply because it feels familiar?

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That's where we're going.

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Let's get oriented foreign.

Speaker A:

Good morning.

Speaker A:

I'm Dr. Grant Chandler and you are listening to another episode of the Wheelhouse.

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I'm here with the amazing team, the best humans on the planet.

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Kathy moni, Michael Pipa, Dr. Alicia Monroe.

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Good morning.

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Good morning.

Speaker B:

That was the best.

Speaker C:

That was beautiful.

Speaker A:

We're getting good at that.

Speaker C:

Yeah, probably should.

Speaker C:

It's been a minute.

Speaker A:

It has been a minute.

Speaker C:

Yes, yes.

Speaker A:

Considering this is like the 124th episode or something like that.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

You know, we had a little bit of practice.

Speaker C:

It's taken us a minute to become coherent.

Speaker C:

There I go again.

Speaker B:

There I go again.

Speaker B:

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.

Speaker A:

Wow.

Speaker A:

We'll have to explain that in a minute.

Speaker A:

I'll bet.

Speaker A:

Well, hey, this again.

Speaker A:

What do we do on hiatus?

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We record more episodes of the Wheelhouse.

Speaker A:

This is the last hiatus episode before we take a short break.

Speaker A:

Season 13 will drop on July 7th.

Speaker A:

So if you are listening today, stay tuned.

Speaker A:

This one drops on the 16th of June.

Speaker A:

You got just a couple of weeks before season 13 begins.

Speaker A:

And we'll be putting some things out there to remind you and to introduce the theme soon.

Speaker A:

But today, today we're wrapping up our hiatus series, really talking about drift and coherence.

Speaker A:

And once again, I think I'm in the hot seat.

Speaker C:

You are.

Speaker C:

And you allowed us to come back and do it again.

Speaker C:

And it's gotten hotter and hotter each time.

Speaker A:

This is what happens when you work with brilliance and you all are brilliant.

Speaker B:

And so are you.

Speaker A:

Oh, it's a love fest.

Speaker A:

Here it is.

Speaker C:

This is why we can't stay away from each other.

Speaker A:

Absolutely.

Speaker A:

The love is mornings never looked so good.

Speaker C:

So, Dr. Chandler, I'm going to get us started.

Speaker A:

Yes.

Speaker C:

I'm going to throw you in right away.

Speaker C:

Okay, so so far we've talked about drift and we've talked about coherence.

Speaker C:

And here's the reality.

Speaker C:

Most leaders, we already know, right?

Speaker C:

There's nobody out there that's saying we don't know that our systems are fragmented.

Speaker C:

We feel it, we experience it every day.

Speaker C:

So why is it so difficult to make that change and then sustain that coherence?

Speaker A:

We defined it.

Speaker A:

We said that coherence was when leadership instruction systems and student experience actually reinforce one another instead of competing with one another.

Speaker A:

And I love that definition.

Speaker A:

So I think the reality is the systems are just constantly under pressure.

Speaker A:

Right?

Speaker A:

There's this urgency, there's politics, there's competing priorities, there's fatigue, there's compliance demands, there's fear of conflict.

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker A:

And there's not just in many places, it's not one of those.

Speaker A:

It's all of those just kind of surrounding the system.

Speaker A:

So I think it's really easy to talk about coherence in theory.

Speaker A:

And I know as we continue in this episode, we're going to talk about that protecting it.

Speaker A:

Protecting coherence is really the job of the leader.

Speaker D:

So, Grant, I'm, I'm, I'm wondering what is it that leaders forget or overlook or undervalue in their coherence efforts?

Speaker A:

I don't know that if it's anything they undervalue.

Speaker A:

I think what happens is they don't have the tools to hold tight when the pressure surrounds them.

Speaker A:

You know, they're good People trying to do good work.

Speaker A:

There are just so many demands as the three of, you know firsthand, right?

Speaker A:

How many demands there are.

Speaker A:

And I think if we don't have.

Speaker A:

If we don't have the tools to help us, then it's really easy, right?

Speaker A:

Really easy to just get pulled into a thousand different directions.

Speaker A:

I was talking to a principal yesterday and in a three minute conversation, he talked about all of those detractors, right?

Speaker A:

There was the demands of the testing situation and of that.

Speaker A:

There were parents showing up at his doorstep.

Speaker A:

There was the superintendent wanting to know what he was doing.

Speaker A:

It was everything coming all together.

Speaker A:

And in those moments, without the tools to help you stay focused on what matters, I think it's too easy to be swayed because we respond, right?

Speaker A:

Educators are fix it people.

Speaker A:

We see a problem, we want to fix it.

Speaker A:

And I think what has happened is that we get stuck in the reactionary fix it mode when all of this stuff comes at us all the time.

Speaker B:

So business can really create this illusion of leadership.

Speaker B:

And we've discussed this on previous episodes.

Speaker B:

Busyness versus intentionality.

Speaker B:

So now we see that this activity is kind of masquerading as progress.

Speaker B:

Can you provide us with some solutions or tools that can help us really be intentional around aligning in a state of fragmentation?

Speaker A:

So one of the things that we talk about in tactical leadership is to know your operating system, right?

Speaker A:

And that is to know how you think deeply and how you respond.

Speaker A:

And in the second pathway or second experience, in the pathway we talk about that we define like, okay, you're going to really need to know.

Speaker A:

You're going to need to know well, how you operate, right?

Speaker A:

How does your brain function, how do you think and process?

Speaker A:

And we call that the operating system.

Speaker A:

And then you got to connect that to purpose, right?

Speaker A:

You've got to really know.

Speaker A:

That's why I said in the opening that it's the leader's job to protect the coherence of the system.

Speaker A:

And you can't do that if you don't have a really good understanding of A, how you operate and B, what the purpose is, where you're really headed.

Speaker A:

Because otherwise we masquerade ourselves with busyness, with chasing urgency, chasing noise.

Speaker A:

We get bombarded by internal and external pressure and in all of the things that compliance demands.

Speaker A:

So leaders have to.

Speaker A:

They have to make really hard decisions.

Speaker A:

And those decisions are about alignment, right?

Speaker A:

How do I keep the organization, whether I'm the district leader, whether I'm the building leader, whether I'm the classroom leader, how do I keep us Moving in the direction that we need to go.

Speaker A:

How do I handle competing initiatives?

Speaker A:

How do I tolerate inconsistent expectations?

Speaker A:

How do I protect, you know, what happens when we protect adult competent comfort over student experience?

Speaker A:

The reality here is that every incoherent system is being protected by adult behavior somewhere.

Speaker A:

Every incoherent system is being protected by adult behavior somewhere.

Speaker A:

And sometimes we don't even know we're protecting it.

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker A:

We don't even know we're protecting it.

Speaker C:

Yeah.

Speaker C:

You've talked about the fact that this kind of whirlwind is happening.

Speaker C:

Right.

Speaker C:

All of these things are competing.

Speaker C:

And you know, we started by the conversation today about saying that leaders, they, they know that.

Speaker C:

I mean, we feel it, we feel the exhaustion day after day.

Speaker C:

But don't, don't necessarily then know what those adult behaviors are that can change that.

Speaker C:

So what does it act?

Speaker C:

What, what does a coherent leader actually do do?

Speaker A:

So that's a really good question.

Speaker A:

And as you were posing it, I also wanted to throw out there, I think this is why so many teachers leave the profession.

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker A:

It's not because they don't care either.

Speaker A:

It's because it's all overwhelming and no one's protecting coherence.

Speaker A:

And you know, as much as I believe and say that teachers are leaders and they are, they don't have the influence of the larger, of the larger organization, so they can't protect coherence.

Speaker A:

We need the building leaders and district leaders to do that.

Speaker A:

And you know, I call that getting oriented.

Speaker A:

And one of the things that we have to get good at, which is what we do in tactical leadership, is leaders have to pause long enough to keep in mind.

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker A:

Instead of just reacting, they have to keep in mind what is it that we're trying to accomplish, what's the destination, what matters most, and thinking about what kind of work is going to get there.

Speaker A:

And sometimes that means that leaders have to say no to really good ideas.

Speaker A:

There is not a shortage of good ideas out there.

Speaker A:

There are a lot of brilliant people trying to make recommendations and tools and things to make it easier for leaders.

Speaker A:

And one of the things you have to do is we have to make sure that we know when to say no, even to a really good idea, because we can't do it all.

Speaker A:

How many times have you seen either yourself or other leaders that are just trying to do everything all at once and it doesn't work?

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker A:

And we don't get the immediate move that we wanted, so we add something to that.

Speaker A:

We add another layer and we add another layer So I think leaders also have to be mindful.

Speaker A:

That's why knowing your operating system, knowing where you're going, becomes really important.

Speaker A:

Because sometimes you have to say, no, this is a great idea.

Speaker A:

This is a really good piece of work.

Speaker A:

We're not.

Speaker A:

This isn't for us right now.

Speaker B:

Right.

Speaker A:

This isn't for us right now because it's not going to get us where we're going with the current situation that we're in.

Speaker A:

They also have to be able to calibrate relentlessly.

Speaker A:

They have to understand.

Speaker A:

They have to understand what's happening at all levels of the organization.

Speaker A:

I talk to a lot of superintendents, and they're good people.

Speaker A:

They are very good people.

Speaker A:

Try to do really good work amidst intense pressure.

Speaker A:

But a lot of them, if you ask them and you start to drill down, they don't have a real good idea of what students experience.

Speaker A:

They know what.

Speaker A:

They know what the system's trying to do.

Speaker A:

They know what they're trying to do.

Speaker A:

They.

Speaker A:

They have a, you know, they know what their principles are trying to do.

Speaker A:

They know what the expectations are, but they don't.

Speaker B:

They.

Speaker A:

They don't see it all the way.

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker A:

To what students experience.

Speaker A:

And good leaders.

Speaker A:

Bringing coherence to the org, to the.

Speaker A:

To the organization.

Speaker A:

At whatever level, you look for consistency in what students experience, because what matters most is what students experience.

Speaker A:

So protecting coherence.

Speaker A:

Remember the definition of coherence.

Speaker A:

It's when instruction, leadership, and all these systems, all these pieces come together so that what we intend is actually what students experience.

Speaker A:

Well, if you're not looking, if you're not looking at what students actually experience, there's no way that you can protect coherence, because coherence is about knowing what students actually experience.

Speaker A:

And the last thing I would say about that is under pressure.

Speaker A:

And what district, what system isn't currently under pressure?

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker A:

Every single one of them is.

Speaker A:

But under pressure, we reveal whether humanity is truly foundational or if it's just decorative under pressure.

Speaker C:

Let's say that again.

Speaker C:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

Yes, ma'.

Speaker A:

Am.

Speaker A:

Absolutely.

Speaker A:

I'd be happy to say that again.

Speaker A:

And then let's talk about that.

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker A:

Under pressure, systems, schools, districts, classrooms, whatever level, they reveal whether humanity is foundational, it's really there at the core, or if it's merely decorative.

Speaker A:

And we know.

Speaker A:

We know based on what students experience.

Speaker A:

I'm sorry, Dr. Monroe.

Speaker B:

No, that's okay.

Speaker B:

I was going to say, Grant.

Speaker B:

That's a. Dr. Chandler, that's a real.

Speaker B:

Because you see me leaning in, so you don't want to have that conversation, right?

Speaker A:

Yes, ma'.

Speaker B:

Am.

Speaker B:

All right.

Speaker B:

That's a real powerful statement.

Speaker B:

So as I was churning and processing everything that you just eloquently presented, I reflected on my role as a former principal of a high school, a former assistant superintendent, and there are habits of leadership that were just organic and authentic to my being.

Speaker B:

One thing is that coherence and alignment were sacred space that was non negotiable.

Speaker B:

But that's a heavy lift because you're constantly fighting and pushing against barriers to maintain that sacred space so that you can truly achieve a real culture of learning and growth.

Speaker B:

Student and educator experience where they thrive, not just exist, and in some cases barely exists.

Speaker B:

Can you talk about some of those leadership habits?

Speaker B:

Because I know you elevate them in tactical leadership that leaders must consider sacred and non negotiable in order to move the needle.

Speaker A:

So I think one of the things that I just published the second course, which is the cognitive architecture of tactical leadership, and one of the things that I say over and over there is that tactical leaders have to really be able to see the landscape.

Speaker A:

They have to be able to see what's really happening underneath, what is visible, right?

Speaker A:

Oftentimes the real story is, isn't what you can actually see and observe.

Speaker A:

There's undercurrent, there's all sorts of things happening under the surface.

Speaker A:

So they have to be able to see, they have to be able to interpret accurately what the landscape is.

Speaker A:

And then they have to figure out how to bring themselves into that equation.

Speaker A:

And so I think one of the things that becomes really important is that we teach tactical leaders how to pause.

Speaker A:

You don't have to respond immediately.

Speaker A:

I mean, there are emergencies where you have to respond immediately, right?

Speaker A:

But there are things that you need to understand better first, right?

Speaker A:

And you don't just make a decision and go, but you really got to read the landscape.

Speaker A:

You got to orient.

Speaker A:

You've got to think about the possible moves that you could make.

Speaker A:

And you also have to then be able to read the terrain.

Speaker A:

Like, okay, so maybe this is a great decision.

Speaker A:

This solves the problem.

Speaker A:

But is this okay for my people?

Speaker A:

Can they do this?

Speaker A:

Can they do this?

Speaker A:

Are they ready for this?

Speaker A:

Is this going to be a huge leap for them?

Speaker A:

Is this going to push them over the brink?

Speaker A:

Because in reality, right, the decisions that we make, they get brought to fruition by other people.

Speaker A:

We got to make sure that we can read the human terrain.

Speaker A:

And then, of course, we have to be able to see all the way through to what Students are going to experience as a result of those decisions.

Speaker A:

So I think, again, we try to give these leaders all of these tools so that it's not so overwhelming to do all of that and that you can do it relatively quickly and not just be staring off into space trying to figure it all out.

Speaker A:

We have tools to help you do all of that.

Speaker A:

But I think that one of the things that leaders don't do is pause long enough to really.

Speaker A:

To really think through all of that before they make a move.

Speaker A:

Because the pressure's on.

Speaker A:

Pressure's on.

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker A:

You got somebody bugging you for something immediately.

Speaker D:

Dr. Chandler, it sounds also like living inside the process of coherence is an obligation that schools really have to invest in the development of student voice.

Speaker D:

Is that accurate?

Speaker A:

It's absolutely accurate.

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker A:

And not only do we need to listen to student voice, we need to build a system with student voice.

Speaker A:

We have to remember that in order to stop hurting students, we have to stop doing things to them.

Speaker A:

We got to do things with them.

Speaker A:

Some of the best work is designed with students.

Speaker A:

They may not have the degree, they may not have, you know, the technical language for what we're doing, and they may not understand all the state laws and all the state mandates.

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker A:

They don't need to.

Speaker A:

They don't need to.

Speaker A:

That's not where they live.

Speaker A:

But they can tell you with 100% confidence, they can tell you what's working for them, what's not working for them, and what they need.

Speaker A:

A district can't bring coherence to its system without embracing student voice and doing that work with them.

Speaker C:

And the significance of all.

Speaker C:

So you've used this, leaders with being plural, so really understanding, and we've talked about this multiple times, that all of that work, that coherence that you're talking about, and understanding that the leader oftentimes the superintendent within a district having those skills and understanding alone isn't going to ensure that there's coherence across the district.

Speaker C:

Right.

Speaker C:

Or the organization.

Speaker C:

So really knowing that it takes a team of leaders at whatever level within that district or organization to be able to ensure the coherence.

Speaker C:

Because each of us, regardless of our role in the district, feels those pressures, feels the need to respond.

Speaker C:

All of those pieces that you've talked about, and if we're all acting with a sense of urgency and responding and not pausing, then with their.

Speaker C:

Obviously, then the incoherence is happening.

Speaker C:

So even when you talked about this pressure of making these decisions, and I was thinking about money being thrown at districts, so if you do this, then you get this pot of money if you do that and knowing that those pressures are real.

Speaker C:

So really thinking about the real, you know, the reality of what, what's happening in districts and knowing that if we don't pause, if we don't listen to student, to our students, then the cost of incoherent adult systems is real.

Speaker C:

Right?

Speaker C:

So what, what that looks like and what happens?

Speaker C:

So as we're all, all of these competing efforts, all of these adult behaviors that are incoherent, what's happening to students inside of this.

Speaker A:

So what you see.

Speaker A:

Well, I'm going to go back to Alicia in just a moment, but if students are living in incoherent systems, experience unpredictability, they have no idea what.

Speaker A:

They have no idea what's coming next.

Speaker A:

There's inequity, there's inconsistent expectations for a lot of different reasons.

Speaker A:

Some of them are really dark.

Speaker A:

Why we have inconsistent expectations, right?

Speaker A:

Because then you bring in all, we bring individual people's biases and prejudice into that, and we know that children are marginalized in school.

Speaker A:

So then you bring in inconsistent expectations and all of that ugliness that's there.

Speaker A:

Disconnected support, performative innovation.

Speaker A:

They experience what they call.

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker A:

They experience being herded like a bay ole group of cattle toward whatever finish line it is.

Speaker A:

They don't experience, they don't experience the opposite of that.

Speaker B:

So we had Dr. Rhonda Simli, who was a principal of a middle school, middle school on, during our season and to understand the burden and the weight of that job is unbelievable because she does empower student voice, which means she is also an advocate for what is best for students and she wants her, her teachers to thrive.

Speaker B:

But as Michael talked about, it is a system within a system.

Speaker B:

So her middle school is a subsystem of what she envisions to be excellence empowered by a participatory practice where everyone is democratic in how that is run.

Speaker B:

And she actually holds the weight of that and she knows what she has to decide on.

Speaker B:

But then she does give pieces away.

Speaker B:

But the, the overarching system is not shaped like that.

Speaker B:

It's traditional in its status quo.

Speaker B:

And the exhaustion doesn't come necessarily from the work to move her vision forward.

Speaker B:

It comes from the fact that she literally has to put guardrails up against a system that tries to taint the vision, her vision from moving forward for participatory democratic practice that she would like to maintain within her school.

Speaker B:

So it's the weight that come from the act of doing the work itself.

Speaker B:

It comes from being guardrail towards perturbations that could actually hit the substance.

Speaker A:

She's fighting for her destination to achieve her North Star.

Speaker B:

She's fighting because that is her vision, that is her goal, that is her third eye, that is her P space.

Speaker B:

And this is real in so many different spaces.

Speaker B:

Whether we're face to face, whether we're virtual, whether we're sitting in higher ed classrooms.

Speaker B:

It's a subsystem of this, this culture of learning and growth that's transformational and transformative in its practice.

Speaker B:

That is sitting within a traditionally historic status quo system that is up and down rather than horizontal.

Speaker B:

And I wanted us to talk about this.

Speaker B:

That was a great thought, Kathy, that you put forward and it just prompted me to want to add this piece.

Speaker A:

So think about, right, Think about what happens when we said earlier when students experience incoherence, right?

Speaker A:

Incoherence, the inequity, the different expectations, inconsistent expectations, inconsistent support.

Speaker A:

So ideally, districts.

Speaker A:

And again, this is an ideal world, right?

Speaker A:

Ideally, districts would do this work together.

Speaker A:

We really wanted to accelerate and we really wanted.

Speaker A:

We really wanted students to experience the things that we all say we want students to experience.

Speaker A:

Then we would do this systemically.

Speaker A:

All of our leaders in an organization would be tactical leaders.

Speaker A:

We would be looking at the entire ecosystem and thinking about how do we do this work so that we actually get to that destination and that North Star for each and every student.

Speaker A:

Think of the energy that it takes when we have to fight.

Speaker A:

All of that energy takes energy away from providing coherence in a building.

Speaker A:

That's part of the drift.

Speaker A:

That's part of the drift, right?

Speaker A:

Resisting some of that work because you're trying to stay true to your North Star.

Speaker A:

That's why the importance of having coaches and people like us to support, I think are so important to the work.

Speaker A:

Because amazing people like Rhonda Simli can get pulled away into a thousand different pieces really easily.

Speaker A:

And the demands of that job are tough, especially in a system where you're trying to go one way and perhaps the district is perpetuating the status quo.

Speaker A:

I don't work with them, so I don't know that.

Speaker A:

But that's what happens in a lot of places, right?

Speaker A:

Where you've got somebody trying to do this work and trying to head toward how they've defined true north to be.

Speaker A:

And then you have working in a larger system that's taxing.

Speaker C:

Taxing is a great word.

Speaker C:

I'm feeling.

Speaker C:

I'm feeling pretty heavy hearted over here, thinking about all of this, Grant, I'm feeling like, you know, the struggle is real.

Speaker A:

The struggle is real.

Speaker C:

You know, they're.

Speaker C:

Every one of our listeners, I'm sure, is thinking, yes, yes, yes, that's me,.

Speaker A:

That's me, that's me.

Speaker C:

But there's.

Speaker C:

There's hope, right?

Speaker C:

There's hope there.

Speaker C:

There's hope.

Speaker C:

And you've.

Speaker C:

You've been talking about this during our, our hiatus, and this is our last episode during this time.

Speaker C:

So for the people listening who are thinking all of this in maybe in the same point, and during this episode of, like, okay, I'm.

Speaker C:

They get it, I get it.

Speaker C:

This resonates.

Speaker C:

But where do they begin?

Speaker C:

What does the support actually look like inside of this ecosystem that, you know, you've talked about?

Speaker C:

Tell us about the hope that is.

Speaker C:

That exists, sir.

Speaker A:

Okay, so before I talk about hope, I just want to throw out three things really quickly.

Speaker A:

And that is, the pressure's real, right?

Speaker A:

We know that coherence requires discipline.

Speaker A:

We know that.

Speaker A:

We know that the system will drift naturally, right?

Speaker A:

So the natural tendency is that the system is going to drift, right, no matter what.

Speaker A:

And we also know that leadership is moral work.

Speaker A:

It's really hard, and it's really important.

Speaker A:

It's really.

Speaker A:

So what we realized, right?

Speaker A:

And now I'm talking about the we here in this room, in this space, we realized pretty quickly that coherence matters and that the support structures for leaders who are trying to do this work really matters, right?

Speaker A:

If, if, if it's so easy to be, you know, pulled into 10,000 different directions, how do we help people?

Speaker A:

Because you can't stop the school day, you can't stop the school year.

Speaker A:

It all goes quickly.

Speaker A:

So how do we do that?

Speaker A:

So we realized that our support structures for leaders had to be coherent as well.

Speaker A:

You can't bring coherence and support coherence if you aren't coherent yourself.

Speaker A:

So what did we do here at Students Matter?

Speaker A:

First?

Speaker A:

We built the wheelhouse.

Speaker A:

This is where we talk about all these issues.

Speaker A:

This is a support.

Speaker A:

We bring these episodes to you to support you and to help you, to help you process what's happening in your district.

Speaker A:

These are the stories, right?

Speaker A:

We bring this work publicly so that you have friends at the wheelhouse, right, who can help you through dialogue, partnership, and orientation work.

Speaker A:

We also built Learn harbor, which is a place for guided learning and development.

Speaker A:

This is a place where you can go and you're like, hey, I want to know more about this tactical leadership thing.

Speaker A:

I want to learn more about it.

Speaker A:

Where Are all these tools and resources that you're talking about to make my job easier?

Speaker A:

What is this thing with powerful student care or instructional excellence or the invisible backpack or what are all these things you keep talking about?

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker A:

Where do I learn more about that?

Speaker A:

So we built Learn harbor as a place for you to get that support.

Speaker A:

Whether you come as a team or you come on your own, we can surround you with the tools and resources that you need to help you do that work.

Speaker A:

And then students matter.

Speaker A:

The whole ecosystem is there because we believe coherence.

Speaker A:

In order to bring coherence to the organization, we need to think about tactical leadership.

Speaker A:

We need to think about leadership in a way that's purposefully trying to bring coherence to the work.

Speaker A:

Clarity, precision, humanity.

Speaker A:

We bring powerful student care.

Speaker A:

How does every student come to believe that they are distinctive and irreplaceable?

Speaker A:

What does instructional excellence look like?

Speaker A:

What does instructional innovation look like that honors, that honors the whole child, honors the whole educator, honors really powerful, innovative instructional design that includes AI.

Speaker A:

How do we do that in a way that brings joy filled learning experiences to students, students.

Speaker A:

So that we're connecting leadership, care, instruction.

Speaker A:

And then what does that all look like in a future where we're trying to create future ready schools where humanity is the center.

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker A:

Where humanity is the center.

Speaker A:

And so those aren't separate projects.

Speaker A:

We believe they're interconnected and that they all work together to develop the same belief system.

Speaker A:

So that I hope, brings hope to educators.

Speaker C:

Your final thoughts in regard, you know, the last episode within this three part hiatus series.

Speaker C:

So leave us with some hope.

Speaker A:

So this isn't about perfection.

Speaker A:

It's not about being flawless in our implementation and we got to be perfect.

Speaker A:

It's about creating systems, districts, buildings and classrooms that are willing to orient toward humanity, that are willing to recognize the power of what students experience.

Speaker A:

Around humanity, around purpose, around continuously recalibrating and making sure we know where we are and where we're going.

Speaker A:

And where systems refuse to allow drift.

Speaker A:

That coherence is not built in moments of inspiration.

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker A:

So hopefully you're listening and you're all inspired, right?

Speaker A:

Like, oh, wow.

Speaker A:

I want that.

Speaker A:

I want that for my students, I want that for my educators, I want that for everybody.

Speaker A:

I want that for my leaders.

Speaker A:

But that's.

Speaker A:

And I'm thrilled, right?

Speaker A:

Absolutely.

Speaker A:

Because it starts with some inspiration.

Speaker A:

It starts with some good feelings and thinking about where you want to go.

Speaker A:

But it's really about the daily discipline of staying oriented to what matters most.

Speaker A:

And what matters most is humanity.

Speaker A:

And what matters most is what students experience.

Speaker A:

And so I say that's what Students Matter is here to help you do to bring coherence to that work.

Speaker A:

My thanks again to Kathy Mone, Michael Pipa, and Dr. Alicia Munro for leading this conversation and for helping make this series one of the most honest explorations we've had on the Wheelhouse about leadership, systems, and humanity.

Speaker A:

Here's what I keep coming back to after three episodes.

Speaker A:

Coherence is not accidental.

Speaker A:

It doesn't emerge simply because people care deeply, and it doesn't sustain itself once pressure enters the system.

Speaker A:

Coherence requires disciplined leadership.

Speaker A:

It requires leaders who continuously reorient people toward purpose, leaders who are willing to protect clarity, leaders who calibrate systems instead of merely reacting to them, and leaders who understand that students experience systems through the consistency or inconsistency of adult behavior.

Speaker A:

That's the work.

Speaker A:

And honestly, that's why the Students Matter ecosystem exists in the way it does.

Speaker A:

The Wheelhouse was created as a space to wrestle publicly with these ideas.

Speaker A:

Learn harbor was designed to support disciplined professional growth through guided, asynchronous learning experiences, experiences and the broader Students Matter Ecosystem exists to help schools and leaders build coherent, human centered systems where students experience dignity, belonging, growth, and meaningful learning consistently, not accidentally.

Speaker A:

None of this work can live as disconnected pieces, not if coherence is truly the goal.

Speaker A:

And maybe that's the final challenge of this series.

Speaker A:

Not whether we can create inspiring ideas, but whether we're willing to build systems that consistently reflect what we claim to believe about students.

Speaker A:

Coherence is not built in moments of inspiration.

Speaker A:

It's built in the daily discipline of staying oriented to what matters most.

Speaker A:

So let's stay oriented and I'll see you soon.

Speaker A:

In season 13.

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