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Host Mari welcomes Courtney Roach and Megan Day from The Daily Nothings podcast for a collaboration on living as a classy, Christ-centered woman. The conversation explores how small daily choices shape integrity, rightly ordered priorities, and purposeful living, especially in the twenties. They discuss habits that cultivate dignity, the need for humility and asking for help, and practical ways to honor femininity through intentional self-presentation without perfectionism. They also address temptations in speech like gossip and oversharing, emphasizing discretion, and conclude with what it means to be a good friend through generosity, showing up, and building authentic female friendships.

00:00 Welcome to Ever Be

00:46 Meet Courtney and Megan

01:42 Iconic Moments Intro

13:48 Classy Catholic Woman Theme

15:05 Why Daily Nothings Matters

20:23 Ordered Priorities and Purpose

27:00 Habits and Life Overhaul

32:57 Motherhood Humility and Help

36:05 Integrity Behind Closed Doors

36:43 Stop Procrastinating Now

42:51 Gossip and Oversharing

51:16 Dressing With Dignity

55:52 Simple Style Systems

01:02:14 Being a True Friend

01:06:13 Generosity and Showing Up

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Hey, I am your host, Mari Wagner,

and you're listening to The Ever Be

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Podcast where Faith Meets Lifestyle.

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I'm so excited you're here.

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Whether you're a new listener

or a longtime follower, I know

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there's something here for you.

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Pull up a chair and listen in for

insightful, real life conversations and

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actionable steps on how to claim the.

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Full life God created you for.

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If you're a woman desiring to live

a Christ-centered life in today's

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modern world, then this is for you.

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Welcome to ever be.

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303:

Welcome back everybody.

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Welcome back to Ever Be Happy Wednesday.

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This is your host, Mari Wagner, as

always, but today I'm joined by two other

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very special fun ladies, Courtney and

Megan from The Daily Nothings podcast.

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Welcome.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

Hello everyone.

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We're so happy to be here.

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

yes, we are

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: us.

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Mari.

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303:

I'm super pumped.

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I know there's gotta be

crossover in our listeners.

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'cause at Seek, when all my girlies

come say hi to me, I ask them, what

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other podcasts do you listen to?

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And they're like, well, we love

daily nothings so hopefully this.

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303: Yes.

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303:

See this little collab.

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

I'm so excited, so excited to be here.

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Thanks for having us.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: It's

like a dream to be able to work with

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other like female Catholic podcasters too.

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It's

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Mm-hmm.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: I.

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Bingo card.

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So when

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303: Yes.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

out, I was like, this is bliss.

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I cannot wait to make all of our

listeners so happy for this collaboration.

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

so good.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

so hyped, so, so good to be here.

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: So fun.

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Okay, well for the gals who maybe

don't know who you guys are or

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haven't heard daily nothings,

let's do a fun little intro round.

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Can you share a little bit about yourself?

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Like who are you, what do you do?

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And maybe just for fun, what is

something kind of iconic about you?

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

Absolutely love.

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Megan, you go first.

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Honeybee.

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Okay.

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Hi, I'm Megan Day.

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I am a wife and a mother two

beautiful daughters, and Courtney's

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actually the godmother of my

second daughter, which is so fun.

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Um.

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Yeah, I'm in Indiana, out in the Midwest,

and something iconic about me is I

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pushed my first daughter for six and

a half hours when I gave birth to her.

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And that is not 30, that's

not six hours of labor.

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That was 36 hours of labor and then

six and a half hours of pushing.

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I was the longest pusher

that my nurse had ever had.

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And she's like, oh, you

just broke my record.

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And I, not a record I ever wanted to

break, but I was like, you know what?

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This is a little bit iconic.

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I wish I had a more fun, iconic moment,

but I think that might be one of my most.

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So

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303:

You know what?

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

a quitter.

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: You

know when people say like, you don't

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get a, an award for giving birth like

you do, like actually there should

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be one and you should get it because

that sounds incredibly difficult.

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

I would've taken a plaque on the wall.

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I would've, that would've been nice.

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is warranted.

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I'll

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303: yes,

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

when Megan texted me about that

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and she was like, that was the

worst experience of my whole life.

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Yeah.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: it was

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303:

Are you still

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

was crazy.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

joyful, I'm a mother.

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It was like that was

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That was war.

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That was war.

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I had an epidural.

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You guys don't be, don't worry.

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I had an epidural at that point, but

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and a half hours of pushing.

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And thanks be to God.

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They let me push that long and I

didn't have to have a c-section.

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a blessing.

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

that's my iconic thing,

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so thanks for asking.

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absolutely love.

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303: Yes.

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Courtney, what about you?

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: Okay.

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My name is Courtney Roach.

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I am in Colorado.

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I am in the Littleton area, so not super

close, but not super far from Mari.

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Um, I work as the senior digital

marketing manager for Focus, so I

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oversee all of focuses social media

content and I'm 30 single and thriving

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in my little dream home with of

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

Sarah and Alex ine my absolute girls.

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Um, and yeah, I would say

something iconic about me.

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I try to do iconic things pretty

much every single day, but in the

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spirit of Valentine's Day, just

being a few days ago, I was just

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telling Megan about my Valentine's

Day evening, and I was fully alone.

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My roommates both had plans and I had

just ordered a new robe from parachute.

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I put on my favorite face mask.

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I ordered my favorite sushi.

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I got a $100 bottle of champagne.

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I drank it by myself.

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I watched three rom coms and

I was like, this is concerning

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how much I'm enjoying this.

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Like I am

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303: Yes.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

fantastic evening by myself.

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: That

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

was my Valentine's Day night.

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

it's.

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303:

that is so iconic.

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I saw a little snippet of it on your

story and you're like said something

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about like, we're about to like enter

into like lavish self-care night

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or something, and I was like, gosh,

I know she's gonna go So all out.

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It's going to be like resort

spa level masks and everything.

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303: Yes,

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

yes it was.

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It was premium content.

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My friends call my house the

court resort, and that is exactly

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303:

That's exactly what it's,

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

It was a night at the court resort.

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It was lovely.

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303:

I love it.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

For myself because

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Truly.

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It was so much fun.

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Everyone was like, were you okay?

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Like all alone Valentine's Day night?

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

exactly what I wanted to do.

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So that's my most recent iconic decision.

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303:

That is amazing.

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I love it.

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Well, let's move into ever

moments, two very different iconic

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moments, but both equally iconic.

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Thank

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Um,

let's move into ever be moments where

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we share kind of our God moments.

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Do you guys have any

ever be moments recently?

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Sure.

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I, just went back to my

hometown in California.

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I lived in California for the first 10

years of my life and then moved to Indiana

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and I do not go back there very often.

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And I just feel like I just

went back and connected to my

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roots so deeply in so many ways.

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Like the people I connected with, I went

to the cemetery where my family is buried.

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It was just like so many moments driving

past my elementary school at my old

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understood myself in a new way.

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And I feel like when you connect

to your identity deeper and

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deeper in all sorts of ways.

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And you just find God there because you're

like, your ultimate identity is daughter.

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And I was just like understanding

my daughter because I like saw

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where I grew up and it wasn't

just like memories that I'm like,

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oh, is that real or is that fake?

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It's like, no, this was real.

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This is a real place I'm

standing here right now.

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Um, and I just felt so just

like seeing and understood and

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understanding myself even in a new way.

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And it was just a really beautiful

full God moment for the whole weekend.

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It was awesome.

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totally.

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It was awesome.

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So good.

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cool to hear.

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She was like sending me voice memos

the whole time, and I actually was

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crying listening to one of them because

it was just like she, well, first

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of all, it's not that hard to make

me cry, but secondly, she just like.

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so, I don't know, it's just

crazy to think that you were

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raised there for 10 years and

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is completely different and just

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about everything that the

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Lord's done and all of that

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definitely.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

away from home and it was

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

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was also on Valentine's Day.

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I had a great Valentine's Day

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Clearly,

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

I hosted a Gallant Times's

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cafe and clothing swap.

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I invited Maur to it.

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She couldn't make it.

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And it was like crazy.

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There were 50 women

that came to this thing

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I.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

was so popping a.

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That's crazy.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: fun.

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I really wish you could have made it.

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It was so much fun.

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50 girls came.

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I didn't know most of the women that came.

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It was like invite a friend, bring a

friend situation and like everyone was

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just like looking through everything.

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We set up a whole um, like dressing

room area that we kind of like cut off

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in a little section and it had mirrors

and it was right next to my couch.

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So like all the girls were sitting on

the couch like, I love that on you.

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That's

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Oh my gosh.

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Stop.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

Try this on.

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I just brought this, try this.

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It was just like girlhood

at the, at its peak.

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And then I was making all these specialty

lattes for everyone and everyone was

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just like talking to me and chatting.

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And one of the girls, her name's Brooke, I

know her, but I don't know her super well.

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She came and pulled me aside and she was

like, I hope this doesn't sound corny, but

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Denver has lots of party opportunities.

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Like there's so many social things

going on all the time and there's

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just like rarely a good like women's

community that gets so many people

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together that you do and don't know,

and it's just like you are doing.

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The Lord's mission, like you clearly have

this charism and it's so cool to have so

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many women together and for it to just

be for the girls and for sisterhood and

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: gold,

good old fashioned fun for women on a day,

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that could be hard for some people, could

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

for some people.

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Lots of girls were talking about

the dates they had that night.

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Mm-hmm.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: were

talking about like what they're doing with

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their girls that night, what they're sad

about, who they broke up with recently.

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Mm-hmm.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: such.

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Active sisterhood.

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And it was just really cool to see

that like, yeah, this is a gift that

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the Lord has given me and I am so

grateful to be living it out in this

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chapter of my life and to like have

this open home to so many people.

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And yeah, like so many parties that

you get invited to, you're going

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because you're hoping to meet a guy

or there's like excitement and like

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nerves and flirtiness and you wanna

look perfect and all this stuff.

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And it wasn't that, it was just girls

being together and it was from 10

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to two and it was gorgeous out and

like, yeah, just peak sisterhood.

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So it was just cool to see what

the Lord was doing in this like,

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simple girly desire that I had

really because of Pinterest.

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I was like, I wanna do this on my walls.

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I think it'd be really cute.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: And

it just really, it brought more than that.

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It was just really cool to see in

real time, um, how fruitful it was.

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So yeah, that's mine.

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I love that so much.

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I just like, I know you all

love it too, but like, I just

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like love, like girls girl time.

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Like you need that so much.

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than anything.

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303:

It's so important.

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So that's so beautiful.

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You're able to provide a space like

that for women My ever be moment.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: Yeah.

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Um,

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303: Yes.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: Mari

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: yeah.

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So I lead a bible study every week

at my house and we just started doing

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the personal prayer series on the St.

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Paul Center, like digital media library.

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They have so many resources and we've

been diving in week to week and Father

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Bonis is teaching us about like prayer

and it's a book that I read in college

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that like really taught me how to pray

and I hadn't revisited since then.

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And it's like totally just reteaching

me and it's, it's so incredible how

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it like, makes all these big prayer

concepts into really tangible.

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Like action items you

can do in your prayer.

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Um, but one little thing that's just

stuck with me for the last few weeks is

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that God expects us to pray like humans.

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He doesn't expect us to pray like angels

or anything other than what we are.

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'cause he created us as humans.

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So he expects us to pray as humans,

which means that like he doesn't.

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Like, we put so much pressure on ourselves

and we criticize ourselves and we're

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like, oh, we fell asleep in prayer.

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Or I just can't get into the silence.

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Or I got distracted.

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And you know, like the Lord expects that.

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And so, hi.

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Or the priest, actually, father Bonis

was saying like, instead of really

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like hating on yourself or getting

distracted and being hard on yourself,

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use every single one of those moments of

distraction as, um, an offering of love.

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An opportunity to just to give a

little offering of love to God.

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And if you get distracted a lot,

then like, wow, you have so many

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opportunities to offer God your love.

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Like that's what a gift.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: I,

it's funny because like, I felt like

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before I heard that I like never

really thought of myself as like

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somebody who got distracted in prayer.

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I'm like, no, this is my time.

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I lock in.

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It's me and God.

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And after I heard that, I

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

at this.

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: started

to realize, I was like, oh my gosh.

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Like I would just like notice myself,

like I would sit down like chat

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with God and then like I would just

notice myself staring at my carpet.

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And just like

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: Yeah,

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303:

realizing I was staring at my carpet

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and I'm like, what am I doing?

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Oh my gosh, I got distracted.

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And I've been noticing

that so much more recently.

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And instead of being like, get it

together, Mari, this is your prior

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time, instead, I'm like, okay,

Lord, I'm gonna offer, I'm just,

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I'm just gonna, I'm gonna come back.

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I'm gonna offer you my

attention once again.

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And that's, that's me showing you love.

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And I just laugh because like,

I can just imagine the Lord like

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watching me pray and then being

like, and, and there she goes, okay.

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And we'll just wait for her to come.

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Yeah.

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303:

he's not like, you know, angry at us.

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He's just like, okay, yeah,

we're just gonna be patient.

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She'll be back.

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Give her like two minutes.

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So hopefully that's

encouraging to anybody.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: Oh,

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Absolutely.

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I know it is, no doubt.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: hear

that people aren't perfect in prayer.

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Like that's

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Uh, yes.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

especially as we head into Lent.

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That's just so, so good.

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So, so

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: percent.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

thanks for sharing

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Totally.

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Well, let's dive in and get into

some good girl chats and talk

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about how to be a classy woman.

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A classy Catholic woman.

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303: Mm.

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303:

I feel like.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

With this topic.

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Let's get

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Me too.

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Me too.

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I feel like it's very

fitting for all of us.

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We're all kind of passionate about this,

I feel like, and I feel like as followers,

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303: Yes.

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: We're

called already to live at like a higher

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standard than what the world sets.

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But also as women, as like faithful

Catholic women, we have an opportunity to

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be a witness to what beautiful femininity

looks like in the midst of a culture that

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I feel like has that beautiful femininity.

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True femininity has kind of been like

getting lost or watered down, or like

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: yeah.

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303:

Deformed in a way.

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And it is so much more than like, we

should just be wearing dresses, right?

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Like, it's not just about that.

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Where I feel like lately a lot

of this conversation tends to

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go is like femininity equals

wearing dresses every day.

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And that's not necessarily

what we're here to talk about.

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So

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

no, definitely not.

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303:

let's just get into it.

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

what we're talking about.

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: First

I wanna ask you guys, so your podcast,

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I feel like it ties into this theme,

your podcast name is The Daily Nothings.

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Can you

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Mm-hmm.

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: me

how and why those small unseen moments

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or habits really make a difference?

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

Oh my gosh.

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Absolutely.

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Um, I would love to take this question,

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Take it, Courtney.

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It's, it's yours.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: So

the Daily Nothings podcast kind of started

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all from really first and foremost Megan

seeing me and seeing the daughter of

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God that I am and just being like, you

have something so important to share.

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And she bought me a microphone

for my golden birthday and was

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like, you're going, you're going

after this and I'm supporting you.

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And my husband has a background

in sound engineering and

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we're gonna make this happen.

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And we were like, okay, we

know we wanna do this, but why?

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Like, what's so important?

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That we could share.

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Like we don't wanna just talk for

no reason or go into the statistic

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of women that started a podcast

and didn't finish it, you know?

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Correct.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: we

were thinking about it and I was really,

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really hung up on this reflection from St.

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Las UE that I read back in COVID in 2020.

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And she talks about these petals of

nothingness that she brings to the father.

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And they're just these like random

petals of assorted different flowers

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that she brings to the father.

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And she gives them to him as a gift

and something that she offers of

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like, I know that this is nothing

but I'm gonna give it to you anyway.

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And he gives it to her and he basically

takes the flowers and he turns them

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into an ornate flower that's just

for her, that's a full flower, and

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he gives it back to her as a gift.

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And we were just thinking about this

concept of nothingness, and we love St.

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Teresa

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Mm-hmm.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

And yeah, we thought about how often

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the phrase, oh, it's not a big deal, or

that's nothing, it doesn't really matter.

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Comes across in our society.

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It's said all the time, it's always,

that's not a huge deal in every way.

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And things that are a very big deal,

like birth control, not a big deal.

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Having sex before marriage, not a big

deal, driving drunk, not a big deal.

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Like there's so many people

that have different opinions on

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varying things that are like,

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Mm-hmm.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

big of a deal.

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Like, I'm just a little tipsy, whatever.

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Mm-hmm.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

also even like on a deeper level,

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this Catholic perspective of

the nothingness of every day.

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And so it gets, it gets down to when

I make my coffee in the morning,

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I, I want it to be in a cute cup.

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I want it to have.

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espresso.

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I want it to like be an

opportunity to glorify God.

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I want the music that I'm listening

to while I'm working out to not

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make me feel icky or make me feel

like I'm doing my exercising for any

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reason other than to glorify God.

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Like

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Mm-hmm.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

decision that we make, it

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actually transforms your day.

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And I had a day recently where I have

a habit tracker that I try to hit every

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single day and it's very difficult.

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had a day last week that I actually hit

every single habit that I wanted to do.

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I did the rosary.

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I prayed scripture at home.

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I went to daily mass, I

prayed for a half hour.

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I wore the cute outfit.

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I put on my lip gloss, I washed my hair.

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I like, it's all of the things.

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And I went to bed and I was praising

God for my day, just like thanking him.

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I always like, because I'm like 30

and single now, I always like to

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just have like a cozy moment with

God before I go to sleep where I'm

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just kind of praying and lighting

candles and just like being with him.

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And I went to bed that night

and I was like, did everything

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I really wanted to do today.

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And I did it with everything

that I had as well.

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Like I put my full self into

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Mm-hmm.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

And I just felt this sense of

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like accomplishment and gratitude

and true thanksgiving for the

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day that the Lord gave me, that

I didn't just let it go to waste.

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And I think that there's something

of great integrity about a woman

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that says yes and means yes.

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And that is like such a huge core element

of a woman being classy of like, I wanna

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be the type of woman that works out, that

cooks at home, that puts on an outfit

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that I feel truly beautiful in, that is

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Hmm.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

that wears a bold lip that does

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her hair, that gets out of bed

when the sun comes up, that goes

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Hmm.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

for a walk.

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Like you wanna be this type of woman.

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Mm-hmm.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

we talk about it in circles.

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We can circle the drain

until the cows come home.

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Mm-hmm.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

one point you've gotta choose

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to get off the pot and do it.

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And

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Hmm.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

it, it's like.

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Whoa.

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Like this is the way that the

Lord has created me to be.

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Mm-hmm.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

a woman of dignity and I feel

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classy and confident and like

I am doing it all for my king.

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And it feels so good to truly do that.

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Like to actually

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Mm-hmm.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

it and realize that those decisions

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don't mean nothing, that you missing

a walk, it doesn't mean nothing like

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it, it has purpose to it in some way.

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You said no to a commitment that

you made to yourself in some way.

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You slightly might have let yourself

down or backed out of something

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that you said you would do.

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It's about integrity and it's about

recognizing that small decisions

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truly do amount to eternity.

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And that's what our

whole podcast is about.

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We break down little moments

of what would be nothingness

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Mm-hmm.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

we talk about them every single day

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and just try to dive in, you know?

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Mm,

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: it's

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Yeah.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

how I live for

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Well said.

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Well

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303:

very well said.

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So I'm, I'm like, I'm fired up.

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Like, yeah, like, I wanna do that.

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Let's go.

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I love it.

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303: Yes.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: Praise

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303:

feel like,

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: God.

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: That like

it ties into a lot of what I was thinking

538

when I was reflecting on like, okay,

like what is a classy Catholic woman?

539

What really came to mind for

me was a woman who has her

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priorities rightly ordered.

541

I think those rightly ordered priorities

shows a lot of class and maturity and

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intentionality, and it's hard to do that.

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Like I think it's easy

to say and we know it.

544

We know it in our head, and we

may even know it in our heart.

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Okay.

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Like, you know, my priorities rightly

ordered would be God first, then

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my husband, and then once we have

kids, kids and then our work, right?

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But like, am I living that out every day?

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Am I putting those

priorities in that order?

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Or do I tend to maybe switch 'em

around a little bit and put work

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before God or my husband before God

or whatever, you know what I mean?

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Like move them around and live

out of disordered priorities.

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And then.

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Doing that consistently

makes for a disordered life.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

Completely, completely.

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Definitely.

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I think also like letting

life happen to you instead of

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living your life on purpose is

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: Amen.

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Also like a difference between a Catholic

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Mm-hmm.

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Woman of like, I had this quote in

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my bio forever on my first Instagram

and maybe I still have it, but

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like live your life on purpose.

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I remember Father Mike Schmidt said

it and it talk such like probably 10

566

years ago at this point, but I was just

like so inspired by that 'cause I'm

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like, yeah, life like will just happen

to you if you don't make a decision.

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Like if you don't choose to do the

things that God's asking you to

569

do, life will just happen and then

you die and you've done nothing.

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And yeah, I just feel like if you're that,

that confidence of like, I have a life

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to live and I'm doing things that matter

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Mm-hmm.

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

that every single thing I do, it matters.

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And.

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I don't know.

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It's just like not letting

it just happen to you.

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Yeah,

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

lame.

579

And I feel like literally like

scrolling, for example, for an an hour

580

and a half, it's like that's literally

letting life just happen to you.

581

Like you aren't doing anything.

582

You are just sitting there

letting life wash over you.

583

And it's like, lame and boring,

like, that's not classy.

584

I

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: no.

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303: it.

587

mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303:

And boring.

588

We don't wanna be boring.

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

mind.

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: And the

other thing too like going off of that, of

591

just like living life on purpose is like

the Lord came to give us life abundant,

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like life to the full and letting life

pass you by is not living life to the

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full and it's not living life on purpose.

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And I was having a great conversation

with my sister a couple months ago.

595

She graduated from college recently and

was kind of like looking ahead at her

596

life and what I was just telling her as

like the older sister that I am, okay, I'm

597

just like your typical oldest daughter.

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And I'm like always telling

her like my biggest advice.

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And I'm like, look, Julie, like

what I see in the world as a

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28-year-old woman now is that like

people float through their twenties.

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They just float.

602

They're like literally paper bags

floating through the wind or plastic

603

bag of whatever KA Katie Perry says,

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Yeah.

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: right?

606

And they just literally float through

their twenties without any purpose.

607

And they're just like.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: Yeah.

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: to

live in college, but just somehow

610

like in the adult world now, and

just like have like the best time.

611

And there's like a great intention

there of like having a great time.

612

But when you're not living, combining

that with like living with great

613

purpose, you're letting life pass you by.

614

And therefore, like you might think you're

living life to the full, but you're not.

615

And our culture has such a tendency to

make that the culture of our twenties, of

616

just like, oh, these are your twenties.

617

Just like live it up.

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Like worry about like , responsibilities.

619

Like later worry about family

later, marriage later, career later.

620

Just like, live your life, travel,

spend your money, do whatever now.

621

And I just feel like that's like the

biggest lie ever that we could be

622

telling people in their twenties.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

Oh, completely.

624

I

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

A hundred percent.

626

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: Yeah.

627

Yeah.

628

I feel like when I was in my twenties

too, like yeah, you just feel this

629

pressure to figure out the exact

type of woman that you're gonna

630

be for the rest of your life, and

631

I.

632

think that it's like it's gotta

just be a building blocks season.

633

Like there's so much that you

discover from when I turned 20 years

634

old to when I turned 30 years old.

635

My habits, how I dressed, what I

said, how I spoke, what I listened to.

636

mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Mm-hmm.

637

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

astonishing to think about

638

who I was just 10 years ago.

639

And of course 20-year-old

court is over here.

640

Like I've got it figured out.

641

I know who I am, I

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Mm-hmm.

643

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

gonna be.

644

This is that, you know, like I'm set and.

645

It's just, you're not gonna

have it figured out right away.

646

mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Yeah.

647

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: that's

648

mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Yeah.

649

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

to say.

650

Obviously you're not gonna have it figured

out right away, but there really is

651

this like mystical magic to quote Benson

Boone about turning 30, that you're

652

just like, I so much life to live and

653

mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Mm-hmm.

654

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

the woman that I was meant to be.

655

And I know what my standards are

and I know what I'm gonna say no to,

656

and I know what I'm gonna say yes

to and I'm gonna challenge my friend

657

groups because I'm gonna say no.

658

I'm gonna say no and

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Mm-hmm.

660

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

And they're gonna stick around if they

661

squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Mm-hmm.

662

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: You

know, like there's just so much difference

663

mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Totally.

664

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

that really helps the elaboration

665

of you becoming that classy Catholic

woman that you desire to be.

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Totally.

667

And

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: So what,

669

squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

have happened unless you like.

670

things out in your T.

671

Like if you're not, I just feel like

throughout my twenties it's like,

672

okay, I'm trying to figure this out.

673

You finally figure out like, okay, onto

the next thing, trying to figure this out.

674

Like, who am I?

675

Who am I?

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And I feel like we all have been putting

in that, that effort of like, who am I?

677

This kind of girl.

678

Like, Hey, I'm gonna move here

and I'm gonna try to do this,

679

and maybe I'm this kind of girl.

680

And it's like, okay,

that's not really my vibe.

681

And like, okay, we're gonna try over here.

682

But if you aren't like

striving and trying to like

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: hmm.

684

squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

out who you are and your identity

685

and getting closer to the identity

of daughter of God, it's like you'll

686

literally just be 30 and still be

like, nah, I, I don't really know.

687

Like in, in that.

688

I, I feel so good.

689

I'm about to turn 30.

690

In like a week, I think.

691

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: Yeah.

692

Girl.

693

squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303: it's

crazy, but I'm like, I feel like myself

694

kind of like fully for the first time.

695

It's like I know who I am and

I'm gonna walk into my thirties

696

like, yeah, I'm Megan Day.

697

And there's no question about that.

698

Like, I, I know what's going

on at this point and it's,

699

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

Mm-hmm.

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squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

it's great.

701

Yeah.

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303:

Yeah, so good.

703

So what are some of the

habits of a classy woman?

704

Which of these specifically are

you guys wanting to grow into?

705

So it's kind of a twofold question.

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courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

Totally.

707

I would say, um, it goes back to what

you were saying about a well ordered

708

life, Mari, like I really, it's crazy

to think about where I was last year

709

compared to this year, and it was in

January of last year that I really took

710

a hard look at my life and I had this

great shame of if people saw what my

711

life looked like behind the scenes,

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mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Mm-hmm.

713

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

that only I see,

714

mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Mm-hmm.

715

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

would be very embarrassed,

716

like genuinely embarrassed.

717

Not even like a cute, oh no,

like don't look like I would be

718

humiliated if people saw how I lived.

719

And it came down to all of

these little details in my life.

720

And I

721

mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Oh,

722

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

actively

723

mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303:

we lost her.

724

squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

I know I was, I know I was hope.

725

Oh, there she goes.

726

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: really

has changed that much about my life.

727

But what's crazy is I just looked at what.

728

I had going on and I was like,

I'm watching TV until I'm

729

falling asleep on my iPad.

730

Like my iPad is up, tucked in bed with me.

731

I have all sorts of TV just

constantly all the time

732

mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Mm-hmm.

733

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: I

had it playing while I was in my shower.

734

I have glass doors in my shower.

735

mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Mm-hmm.

736

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

TV while I'm in the shower.

737

I'm scrolling on social media

until absolutely kingdom come.

738

Like it is obscene how much

I'm consuming at all times.

739

I am, yes, cooking.

740

I'm cooking, but I'm not

considering nutrients at all.

741

Like I'm just making the most

delicious, rich, popular dishes

742

that I can invite people into,

743

mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Mm-hmm.

744

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: bad

about doing that, but moderation, right?

745

mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Mm-hmm.

746

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

to Chick-fil-A.

747

As many times as I could possibly want.

748

I'm getting Starbucks.

749

You wouldn't wanna believe how many

times a day like there are just like

750

little things, my swearing, my music

consumption, like all of these broken

751

parts about me that yes, I'm pursuing

sainthood, I'm going to confession,

752

I'm trying to get back up on my feet.

753

But there was just this kind of lack of

hope of I'm in these habits very deeply.

754

Like they're not really

gonna change anytime soon.

755

I don't see how they could

ever change anytime soon.

756

So I guess I'm just gonna accept this

fate and realize that I've become

757

mediocre and I don't really know what

I'm gonna do unless the Lord changes me.

758

He is the only one that could change that.

759

mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Mm-hmm.

760

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

That is true.

761

The Lord can change that.

762

But you have to get up

and do something about it.

763

At the same time, like you are the person

that's choosing these habits with this

764

will, that the Lord has gifted you.

765

mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Mm-hmm.

766

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

you have a free will.

767

What a fat gift from the

king of the universe.

768

You have a free will.

769

You can choose to do anything with your

life and you only have one life to live.

770

And I think that as Christians, we

sometimes are like no eternal life like we

771

have, like we're going into the next life.

772

That's where we're, we're

really gonna live fully.

773

And it's like, that is so beautiful.

774

But we also can't forget that we are on

this earth and this is the only time.

775

That we'll be here and we have to

live it to the fullest and we need

776

to choose greatness, and we need to

choose beauty and goodness and truth.

777

And so thanks be to God.

778

I got plugged in with the Catholic

nutritionist and I went through the

779

Made Good program and I was in this

incredible cohort of like 30 other

780

women that all had such different

vices and shame and confusion in

781

all aspects of their life that were

782

squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Mm-hmm.

783

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

And between that and then other

784

friends in my community that I just

really pulled back the curtain.

785

Okay.

786

Oz showed that there was a

machine running the entire show.

787

Okay.

788

And I I just, it was crazy.

789

It was, honestly, it was really

unnerving because I love being

790

vulnerable, but about the cute stuff

791

mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Yeah.

792

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

Yeah, I, I cha I changed my life

793

mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Wow.

794

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: now

I'm in this place where I wake up and I

795

go on a walk at Sunrise every single day.

796

I go to the gym before work.

797

times a week.

798

I go to Pilates once a week.

799

I make macro friendly meals.

800

I say no to people all the time.

801

It's crazy.

802

It's such a powerful word.

803

am so obsessed with like actually living

out the daily nothings, and it's changed

804

the way that we do our podcast too,

because we were finding that when we

805

were doing our podcasts as best friends,

we were both going through it and we

806

were like, I'm annoyed with myself.

807

Like we're

808

squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Yeah.

809

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

changing.

810

Like we just keep talking about these

quote daily, nothings that we need to be

811

better at and we're not getting better

812

squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Yeah.

813

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

you know?

814

So like how can we preach

and also practice as these.

815

Role models for so many

women like this is important

816

mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Yeah.

817

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

Change who we are.

818

And

819

squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Yeah.

820

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: Now

it's just so cool to like know how to

821

get back on track, to fall, to get sick,

to go travel, realize that I'm out of

822

the, out of the loop of what I need to

be doing to live a full rounded life.

823

And then like going and practicing that.

824

And it, it, it truly is

such a domino effect.

825

Once you start really having

that well ordered life.

826

You dress well, you know what you,

you're gonna order at a restaurant.

827

You have confidence.

828

mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Mm-hmm.

829

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

You don't walk around hating yourself.

830

You

831

squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Yeah.

832

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

there's list of things in the back of

833

your head of like, I need to do this and

this and this and this and this and this.

834

And it's like a perpetual

running loop and it's exhausting.

835

And if you've ever been in a place

of shame, you know it in the back

836

of your head of all the things you

need to do, but you're way too tired

837

and full of shame to get to them.

838

The only way to get out of

that list of redundancy is to

839

get up and attack it head on

840

squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Mm-hmm.

841

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

start making changes.

842

Like you have to truly follow

shy lab buff and just do it.

843

You

844

squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

Yeah.

845

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

It's just the way that it is.

846

Like, yeah.

847

That is what I would say are the

habits of a classy, dignified woman

848

mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Mm-hmm.

849

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

for sure.

850

squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303: I,

I would even take a step back from that.

851

and I live very, very different lives.

852

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

different

853

squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

put it lightly.

854

Um, yeah, like I have two toddlers and

I'm a stay-at-home mom and it's insane.

855

Like all the time.

856

My life is wild and insane and I have

found, I feel like all of those little,

857

like micro habits, just kinda like,

it takes one night of the baby not

858

sleeping all night and then you're just

like, okay, literally how I slept two

859

mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Yeah.

860

squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

I can't do anything kind of thing.

861

I think what I've been learning

as time has gone on as a mom is

862

like, I cannot be self-reliant.

863

mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Mm-hmm.

864

squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

have to like rely on the

865

Lord and rely on others.

866

And I feel like all the

classy women, you know.

867

Catholic, classy women have help.

868

They ask for help.

869

They find a way to have help a

number of ways because they have

870

recognized, it's like, oh yeah,

I actually cannot do this alone.

871

And I feel like that humility is like

the basis for being a classy woman.

872

And in K's case, the humility

of like actually coming to the

873

realization of like, I do not

like the way I'm living right now.

874

Like, I have to be humble and be

like, I actually am not doing,

875

I'm not being this person.

876

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

Mm-hmm.

877

squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

help me.

878

Like how do I figure this out?

879

And yeah, I think it's something

I'm learning and the more help

880

I get, the better my life.

881

Like the more.

882

Even just like asking my husband for help.

883

You know, sometimes I think as

a stay-at-home mom, you're just

884

like, okay, I gotta do it all.

885

Like I gotta do it all.

886

I gotta take care of the kids all day.

887

The house has to be perfect.

888

I have to do all the cooking, all

the cleaning, all the everything.

889

And I don't have time to like get ready.

890

And then it like, that's how it felt.

891

And then one shift that we made

was like, okay, before Jake starts

892

working, I go take 30 minutes.

893

I put on makeup, I do my hair,

I get dressed, even if I'm not

894

doing anything that whole day.

895

And it's just this like

it's like starting my day.

896

Just like I have dignity.

897

I'm not just this slob in my house,

like trying to keep my children alive.

898

My life is more than that.

899

And if I need to go run an errand,

I have a mother's helper that

900

comes over and watches my kids.

901

Like that took time and effort

902

mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: Mm-hmm.

903

squadcaster-ced7_1_02-16-2026_182303:

humility to be like, yeah, I

904

actually can't do this all by myself.

905

I need support.

906

And that can look like, like.

907

People have house cleaners.

908

That's amazing.

909

Like do that.

910

There's, there's a list of things where

it's like, if you want to be living

911

as a classy woman, I literally, like

Catholic classy woman, I'm even picturing

912

on Instagram for example, all of them

have help in some way or another.

913

That's why they look like that.

914

That's why they look like that.

915

That's why they look pretty

in the pictures is 'cause they

916

had someone watching their kids

while they were getting dressed.

917

Like it's, yeah.

918

You cannot be self-reliant and

be a classy like pro-life person.

919

Yeah.

920

I just think you need,

you need assistance.

921

That would be my, my answer.

922

mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: I

love everything you guys were saying

923

and I think especially Courtney,

what you were saying about do you

924

like your life behind closed doors?

925

Like it's really easy to see the

outside of someone's life and be like,

926

oh my gosh, they have it all together.

927

But like we're all dealing with things

behind closed doors and it is such a

928

mark of a classy woman to live with.

929

Integrity.

930

And I feel like that word

holds so much weight and it's

931

actually so hard to live out.

932

'cause it means like, are you the

person that you are on the outside,

933

on the inside as well and like outside

your home and behind closed doors?

934

Like are you that person

all the way around?

935

And like

936

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: Right.

937

mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303: one

thing that came to mind that kind of

938

relates that too, like one habit that

came to mind for me is like doing

939

the thing that needs to be done in

the moment that it needs to be done.

940

And I think that as adults

I've like recognized like.

941

We are our own boss.

942

We don't have parents anymore

telling us, go do this chore.

943

You know, go pick up the thing

from the stairs that I told you

944

to pick up like two days ago.

945

Like,

946

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: Yep,

947

mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303:

no one's watching us.

948

Like we just make whatever

decisions we want.

949

We choose to do things and

we choose not to do things.

950

And it's so easy to just get complacent

with doing the things that need to be

951

done and putting them off and being

like, yeah, I made breakfast this

952

morning, but like, I gotta run to work.

953

So like, I'm just gonna

clean up when I get home.

954

Or like, I gotta bring a bunch

of stuff up, but I'm just gonna

955

leave it at the foot of the stairs

for like literally all week.

956

Why?

957

I don't know.

958

Right?

959

But like, it's just gonna sit there like

every day and I'm gonna walk by it a

960

hundred times a day and not pick it up.

961

Or I'm gonna like try on a couple outfits

for the day and then I'm just gonna leave

962

the clothes on the floor in my closet.

963

Because I just don't wanna

put 'em away right now.

964

Right.

965

And so that is a habit I really

wanna try and work on this year is

966

like seeing the thing that needs to

be done and doing it in the moment

967

that needs, that it needs to be done.

968

And that's living with integrity and

doing it when people are watching

969

and when people are not watching.

970

And it also relates, I think, to what you

were saying, Megan, as a mom, because,

971

and I saw Emily Wilson, she posted a reel

about this recently, and I was like, yes.

972

She was like, if you wanna prepare

for motherhood in one way, stop.

973

Be Stop procrastinating.

974

Yeah.

975

Stop procrastinating.

976

Like you are gonna have little

kids that are going to be like.

977

Needy all the time and their

needs are in that moment.

978

And you need to respond to the

need of that child in that moment.

979

'cause if you do it later, this child,

either their need's not gonna be met or

980

like now they're gonna be super cranky

because you didn't feed them when they

981

were hungry or you didn't put them outta

bed or you didn't change their diaper.

982

Like it's really a need that

needs to be done in the moment.

983

And I'm so big on Trey and

I talk about this a lot.

984

Like I'm so big on like building

the habits that we want for our

985

family and our marriage and us as

people now before we have kids.

986

'cause it only gets

harder when you have kids.

987

And I think a lot of times people

have the perspective of like,

988

oh, when I get married, like.

989

It's gonna be the flip of a switch.

990

Oh, my bad habits are gonna be gone.

991

Or like, oh, well, when we have

kids, like we won't, we won't stay up

992

super late watching TV because like

we'll have kids to tend to, and it's

993

like, well, no, you could, right?

994

Like you can't just turn off

your habits one day to the next.

995

So that's part of this like

classy Catholic like journey.

996

It's like, okay, like let's work on these

habits day by day now and not wait for

997

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303: Yeah.

998

mari-wagner_1_02-16-2026_162303:

next stage of life.

999

courtney-roach_1_02-16-2026_162303:

Completely.

00:39:21,209 --> 00:39:21,664

So well said.

00:39:21,749 --> 00:39:24,209

reminds me of, um, something that I'm

00:39:24,209 --> 00:39:28,769

doing for Lent this year is I really

wanted to think through alms giving.

00:39:28,769 --> 00:39:29,339

So we had

00:39:29,639 --> 00:39:30,059

00:39:30,149 --> 00:39:31,469

like my spiritual director

00:39:31,469 --> 00:39:33,749

and friend, and same to Megan.

00:39:33,749 --> 00:39:34,949

His name's Father Logan.

00:39:35,129 --> 00:39:38,219

He was on our podcast to talk about

ways that we can prepare for Lent.

00:39:38,219 --> 00:39:41,159

And he was like, I really think

that as a church we are sleeping

00:39:41,159 --> 00:39:42,389

on the power of almsgiving.

00:39:42,629 --> 00:39:44,759

Like these are encounters that we could

00:39:45,059 --> 00:40:02,699

00:40:02,999 --> 00:40:03,869

encounter with God.

00:40:03,929 --> 00:40:06,989

And so I was really thinking about what

I could do for alm giving this year

00:40:06,989 --> 00:40:10,124

that wouldn't be financial, because

that's always what I go towards.

00:40:10,424 --> 00:40:10,724

00:40:10,739 --> 00:40:14,189

this year I'm going to be doing, um, a

00:40:14,189 --> 00:40:17,699

weekly dinner with my roommates and I

told them, I was like, I'm gonna cook

00:40:17,699 --> 00:40:20,099

dinner every Sunday for three people.

00:40:20,279 --> 00:40:21,959

If you can't make it, that's fine.

00:40:21,959 --> 00:40:22,919

I'll make it for three.

00:40:22,919 --> 00:40:23,669

I'll box it up.

00:40:23,669 --> 00:40:26,489

You'll have one meal that's

completely prepared for

00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:26,969

00:40:27,264 --> 00:40:28,109

For the week.

00:40:28,169 --> 00:40:31,049

And regardless, like if we could have

it together, I'd love the community.

00:40:31,049 --> 00:40:33,269

If not, you'll have one

meal that's covered for meal

00:40:33,449 --> 00:40:33,869

00:40:34,049 --> 00:40:36,359

love to do that for you guys because

00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,139

I went from being a focus missionary

where like community nights and these

00:40:40,139 --> 00:40:41,744

different concepts were kind of required.

00:40:42,044 --> 00:40:42,464

Mm-hmm.

00:40:42,569 --> 00:40:43,889

the ick and I was like, I'm never

00:40:44,024 --> 00:40:44,314

Yeah.

00:40:44,939 --> 00:40:47,339

never gonna make anyone be like force fed

00:40:47,339 --> 00:40:49,289

into a relationship like I want it to be.

00:40:49,399 --> 00:40:49,699

Free.

00:40:49,699 --> 00:40:50,779

I want to be chosen.

00:40:52,279 --> 00:40:55,429

then, yeah, I think that over time, like

before you know it, the only time you're

00:40:55,429 --> 00:40:59,269

spending with your roommates, if you're

in a similar lifestyle as me or even with

00:40:59,269 --> 00:41:00,679

your husband, I could see this happening.

00:41:00,979 --> 00:41:01,399

00:41:01,759 --> 00:41:02,869

time we have is when we're

00:41:02,869 --> 00:41:04,039

watching our shows together.

00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:04,729

Seriously.

00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:05,409

00:41:05,709 --> 00:41:07,339

exhausted, we're doing our thing.

00:41:07,399 --> 00:41:09,499

And then it's like, okay, let's

keep watching Grey's Anatomy.

00:41:09,499 --> 00:41:11,059

Let's keep doing this,

let's keep doing that.

00:41:11,449 --> 00:41:12,259

And it's great.

00:41:12,259 --> 00:41:12,769

We giggle.

00:41:12,769 --> 00:41:15,349

We catch up on our days for

maybe 15 minutes before,

00:41:15,649 --> 00:41:16,069

00:41:16,159 --> 00:41:17,479

not at all, because we're just not in

00:41:17,489 --> 00:41:17,689

Mm-hmm.

00:41:18,139 --> 00:41:18,559

00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:19,699

very free friendship where we're

00:41:19,699 --> 00:41:20,869

just like, I don't wanna talk.

00:41:20,899 --> 00:41:21,319

I'm done.

00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:22,609

Like it's great.

00:41:22,909 --> 00:41:23,199

Yeah.

00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,129

we go to bed and we move on with life.

00:41:25,189 --> 00:41:25,489

And it's

00:41:25,579 --> 00:41:25,999

00:41:26,834 --> 00:41:28,934

don't want that kind of life, and I don't

00:41:28,934 --> 00:41:31,184

want that type of habit in my dating life.

00:41:31,214 --> 00:41:33,584

When I get into that era of

00:41:33,699 --> 00:41:34,119

00:41:34,124 --> 00:41:35,594

I don't want it to be that way.

00:41:36,284 --> 00:41:39,284

And so I asked them if they

would be okay with that.

00:41:39,284 --> 00:41:41,279

I was like, I don't want it

to feel something stressful

00:41:41,579 --> 00:41:41,869

00:41:42,044 --> 00:41:43,304

Like, oh no, Courtney's making dinner.

00:41:43,304 --> 00:41:44,144

We have to be home.

00:41:44,504 --> 00:41:46,364

I was like, I just want it

to be that like, you know.

00:41:46,424 --> 00:41:49,694

One meal's covered and I'll be

eating it this time on Sundays.

00:41:50,024 --> 00:41:51,164

Come eat with me if you can.

00:41:51,314 --> 00:41:52,964

And they're so excited about it

00:41:53,189 --> 00:41:53,429

00:41:53,439 --> 00:41:53,659

00:41:53,704 --> 00:41:54,024

so fun.

00:41:54,434 --> 00:41:54,614

00:41:54,654 --> 00:41:54,944

Yeah.

00:41:54,974 --> 00:41:56,984

like a totally different mentality of me

00:41:56,984 --> 00:41:58,754

giving of something that I love to do.

00:41:58,754 --> 00:42:01,244

I love to cook, but it's

not just for myself.

00:42:01,424 --> 00:42:04,034

It's not just for meal prep,

it's not just for macro goals.

00:42:04,034 --> 00:42:06,734

It's like what can I make that

everyone would enjoy as the

00:42:06,734 --> 00:42:08,114

weather get is getting warmer.

00:42:08,114 --> 00:42:09,344

Like we can eat outside together.

00:42:09,344 --> 00:42:11,714

It doesn't need to be a table linen.

00:42:11,714 --> 00:42:13,004

Perfectly crafted evening.

00:42:13,274 --> 00:42:16,124

It just needs to be a meal that we

can have together for me to start

00:42:16,124 --> 00:42:19,874

practicing that like selflessness

that's needed in a family life.

00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:20,659

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and I'm really excited about it.

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I was like, this is

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00:42:23,114 --> 00:42:23,984

gift from God because it's

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Well, yeah.

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and I'm always like, I'll just increase

00:42:26,594 --> 00:42:28,694

my tithe done like al Giving's done.

00:42:28,694 --> 00:42:29,054

You know?

00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:29,939

00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:31,514

so even if, yeah.

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Um, this will come out when

we're in the thick of limp.

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But yeah, just consider giving

of your time more, especially

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if you're in a single season.

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'cause we can be really

selfish really easily, would be

00:42:41,624 --> 00:42:42,104

00:42:42,974 --> 00:42:43,684

That's really good.

00:42:43,984 --> 00:42:44,144

that.

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love that.

00:42:45,614 --> 00:42:45,884

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Let's move into another topic.

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The way that a woman speaks is really

powerful and the way she speaks to

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herself or about herself, and even

towards others and about others, right?

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Talk to me about ways we are tempted as

women in our speech, how that affects us.

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How can we grow in that?

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Yeah, we just discussed on our

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podcast, and it was a very good

episode we both needed to discuss.

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This is oversharing.

00:43:20,085 --> 00:43:22,575

We, know we will talk

about gossiping, obviously.

00:43:22,575 --> 00:43:23,115

That's like

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00:43:24,495 --> 00:43:27,465

But the other one I think is oversharing

00:43:27,765 --> 00:43:28,185

00:43:28,215 --> 00:43:30,315

and how it can be like, you're

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in an awkward situation.

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This is not the case for everyone.

00:43:32,565 --> 00:43:38,085

Some people are not prone to

oversharing, but those who are, it's fun.

00:43:38,205 --> 00:43:38,925

It's fun.

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You say something crazy and everyone wants

to hear what you're saying and you're

00:43:42,615 --> 00:43:44,655

like, oh, that was private information.

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I probably shouldn't have said that.

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Yes.

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It's like, it's, it's so, uh.

00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,705

Just this idea of prudence

and being like, okay, is this

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something I should be sharing?

00:43:56,370 --> 00:43:57,060

Yes or no?

00:43:57,330 --> 00:44:01,500

Or is this the time, do I need to wait

a week before I share this information?

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Or is like this person going

through something really

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stressful, I need to wait?

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I think just like, not, not just going

for it, like thinking before you speak.

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It's so simple, but sometimes, and you

know, throw a glass of wine in there.

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we have problems like now you

really, to put on the breaks be like,

00:44:24,225 --> 00:44:24,495

00:44:24,510 --> 00:44:25,890

what's that smart to share?

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Or like all the girls, you know, you

can be talking about your husbands or

00:44:29,070 --> 00:44:33,870

your relationship with your husband and

things should not be shared about your

00:44:33,870 --> 00:44:40,260

marriage, but it can be so tempting

to just wanna up the conversation

00:44:40,260 --> 00:44:43,800

and like, throw this thing out there

and make it all gossipy and fun.

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And, um, that is like the most

opposite of a classy woman.

00:44:48,510 --> 00:44:49,560

A classy woman like.

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She can be vulnerable

when the moment is right,

00:44:52,980 --> 00:44:53,400

00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:58,010

not know valuable things about important

00:44:58,010 --> 00:44:59,930

relationships in her life that you don't

00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:00,380

00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,140

And I think that's like that's

00:45:03,140 --> 00:45:06,140

probably not talked about enough,

like it, it relates to gossiping,

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but it's like a little different.

00:45:08,765 --> 00:45:11,255

the power of discretion and dignity.

00:45:11,255 --> 00:45:12,005

And I think that that

00:45:12,110 --> 00:45:12,680

00:45:12,695 --> 00:45:13,295

00:45:13,820 --> 00:45:14,450

definitely.

00:45:15,695 --> 00:45:18,455

that being discreet and having

00:45:18,455 --> 00:45:20,435

dignity can easily be boring.

00:45:20,915 --> 00:45:21,545

And

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00:45:22,445 --> 00:45:24,095

some reason, this is also something I've

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been reflecting on in preparation for

Lent, that like silence truly makes me.