Local business owner and longtime friend of the show CJ Hawkinson stops by with a few bottles of top-shelf whiskey and some delightful conversation. CJ talks about his rise through the ranks of Ford Electric to become a part-owner of the company in 2019, his son Gabe's life-threatening heart condition that led to neonatal heart surgery just hours after birth, and he recounts many glorious tales from Ilwaco High School.

Some topics you will hear:

• Jeff and CJ try several high-end whiskeys as they recount their first time using tobacco as kids.
• Countless stories about our wacky PNW childhoods.
• Jeff's neighbor/nemesis becomes a murder.
• CJ finds something under an oven that you will never forget.
• A rat loses his life because of his sloppy electrical repair techniques.
• The typical home range of an adult male cougar.

This episode also features a short appearance by Elsa Linquist.

CJ has been a friend for a very long time (not to mention a supporter of the podcast) and I had a blast making this with him. I hope you enjoy!

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Keywords:

PNW politics; Jamie Herrera-Butler; Saturday Night Live; Twitter; George W. Bush; friendship; whiskey; bourbon; rye; scotch; Big League Chew; jerky Chew; commercial fishing; Ford Electric; Ford apartments, Long Beach Tavern; football camp; Oregon State University; Gray’s Harbor College; LIV golf; Saudi Arabia; Everything Everywhere All at Once; Sometimes I Think About Dying; The Matrix; Keanu Reeves; Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure; Jared Leto; Dallas Buyers Club; chimps; Tiger King; elk hunting; Forest Gump; Captain Ron; Kurt Russel; Martin Short; hunting; cougar; Instagram; TikTok; iPhone; The Room; high school football; public transportation; Teach For America; poverty; crime statistics; Education; Ukraine; homelessness; ecology; eradication; land stewardship; weed management; Scotch Broom; Rick Moranis; Ghost Busters; Ghost Busters afterlife; movies; Alex Mack; iMovie; Whistle Pig; Jefferson’s Reserve; Buffalo Trace; Bristol Bay; Alaska; transposition of the great arteries; Legacy Emanuel Children’s Hospital; Randall’s Children’s Hospital; the flu; Ronald Macdonald House; church; religion; community; reckless driving; Autism; ASD. Crispin Glover. 

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[00:00:25] Do you know, CJ. Uh, have you guys met? I think so he is one of my good friends from childhood.

[00:00:37] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. We went, we went to his dad's funeral life. Okay. Weekend. Yeah, definitely. Rest in peace. Craig Hawkinson. He's a good, good man.

[00:00:50] I guess grandpa. I mean, I never really, I never met him, but

[00:00:56] Elsa Linquist-Nesbitt: grandpa. I mean, yeah, yeah. But we have Papa. [00:01:00] So.

[00:01:02] Elsa Linquist-Nesbitt: he's my biological grandpa, but I've never really met him and he's never like been in my life. So I consider Papa my Papa.

[00:01:12] Hawk.

[00:01:21] Jeff Nesbitt: Shout out to Kyle. the newest member of the Ram fam Kyle's a newest subscriber to our Patreon group. Welcome Kyle. It's good to have you.

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[00:02:07] Elsa Linquist-Nesbitt: Uh, I was gonna say, sounds like I could

[00:02:25] Just on the Patreon. We just posted one last week. It was, uh, the last episode with Colten Chalker. It's hilarious.

[00:02:58] Elsa Linquist-Nesbitt: Does that all like that announcement [00:03:00] stuff.

[00:03:09] Elsa Linquist-Nesbitt: Oh, grandma. And I was just talking about something it's on the tip of my tongue. Um,

[00:03:19] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh, yeah, there's definitely that. That's a big one. Yeah, that's old news at this point, people of all probably are all probably tired of hearing about it. Oh,

[00:03:30] Um,

[00:03:53] Okay. Cool. I didn't know that. She's like actually like giving stuff to our community where, and she's on. Like, since she's [00:04:00] been on the board or something for like over 10 years, she gets like some special thing that if a new person coming in. Appropriations committee. Yeah. Whereas if like a new person that has never run before I came in and got it, we wouldn't get that. So a lot of people are voting for Jamie Hererra Butler, because we get like,

[00:04:20] Jeff Nesbitt: fisheries.

[00:04:21] My grandma keeps saying that's the only Republican I ever vote for. Yeah. Because she's like actually doing stuff for us, whereas like someone else kind of, and then there was a guy, I can't remember his name, but like we, if Jamie doesn't mind, that's our backup.

[00:04:51] Elsa Linquist-Nesbitt: Well, yeah. And like if we're Democrats, but like we're voting for a Republican and a lot of people just go, well, she's Republican, I'm a Democrat. [00:05:00] So I'm not going to vote for her. Yeah, exactly. And

[00:05:10] Elsa Linquist-Nesbitt: Republican. Some of those situations all like, be like, if I can't choose and they're both sound good, like I'm a Democrat

[00:05:18] Yeah. I mean, that's a good place to start. And then if you don't have time to look through every individual policy. Kind of

[00:05:42] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah.

[00:06:01] Elsa Linquist-Nesbitt: And like both sides. Aren't perfect Republicans. Aren't perfect. No Democrats aren't even close either.

[00:06:27] Jeff Nesbitt: Do you think the internet makes it worse by being able to just talk to anybody in the world? Oh my God. Yes. Without having any

[00:06:38] I dunno, taking a screenshot of like a toilet and then like flash of like a picture of Joe Biden in the background. So it's like implying that Joe Biden's trash. Yeah. Or like do that with Trump or any like someone who's like up for something.

[00:07:22] And then like a few seconds later, a picture of someone pops up and it's like, you're flipping them off. Oh, gotcha. It's like tricking you into flipping someone off. That's silly. Yeah.

[00:07:55] Trump's era was the first time that a president ever posted on social media [00:08:00] regularly. So better. Yeah, he was on Twitter every day. Obama was much more official. I'm pretty sure they had a Twitter account, but it wasn't, he wasn't the one running it and he wasn't posting all the time. So the way we view the president has changed, but during the Bush era,

[00:08:32] For a reason that was a lie. I don't think I was alive. No, it was

[00:08:41] Jeff Nesbitt: September 11th, 2001. World trade center. Got. Attacked. And I don't want to get the details wrong, but.

[00:09:04] Elsa Linquist-Nesbitt: ah, I think it's ridiculous that. How long has our country been founded for since

[00:09:11] Elsa Linquist-Nesbitt: A long time and just this latest election. Have we gotten a female vice president? Not even like the actual president vice, I mean, that's still a huge, big deal.

[00:09:34] Jeff Nesbitt: ridiculous. Yeah, it's, it's also another complicated thing. It takes a long time because the way the system is structured, it wasn't funneling women into professions that would eventually lead to that.

[00:09:56] Elsa Linquist-Nesbitt: And Bridget. Uh, my little cousin has been turning in [00:10:00] to quite the little feminist. Oh, really? Um, And Charles a pretty big feminist. But it's me. It makes me feel so happy because she's talks to me. I like to talk to her about this kind of thing. I don't like tell her all the hardcore stuff, but like I talked to her about it.

[00:10:29] The men were in charge. It was the men's.

[00:10:36] Elsa Linquist-Nesbitt: But then they were the ones who are saying when they can't get an education.

[00:10:44] Ultimately from survival back when tribes were small, there wasn't that many people, tons of threats around, they had to delegate and divide labor by who could do what. And that led to a lot of women being subjugated to nurturing roles, house, [00:11:00] cleaning, that kind of stuff, taking care of the home, staying home, and the men were off going and doing the jobs that get you killed.

[00:11:16] Elsa Linquist-Nesbitt: Yeah. And she's like, well, I've also noticed she, she said her mom pointed this out and she has been thinking about it. She said,

[00:11:45] Business decision. Decision because it's like,

[00:11:52] Elsa Linquist-Nesbitt: that name. Who's Arieanna Williams. Is that really her name? No. No. I'm just like thinking of [00:12:00] something

[00:12:04] It's funny. Uh, but yeah, there's, there's a lot of, we've still got a lot of improvement that can happen

[00:12:20] Elsa Linquist-Nesbitt: Um,

[00:12:27] Jeff Nesbitt: How many of them do you think you'll still be friends with. When you're in your thirties.

[00:12:38] Jeff Nesbitt: Definitely not. Some of them will be dead. Sad,

[00:12:48] Jeff Nesbitt: still, she doesn't deserve to die. No.

[00:12:55] I mean, like, um, Like I know she's like not [00:13:00] saying like 100% of the time. Nice things about me. And I know eventually I'm going to have to be like, I don't want to be your friend anymore. Yeah, it happens. Definitely just like, you always have like a little hunch about that. Like one person that you see and you're like, oh, hi, nice to see you. And then you leave. And you're like, I know there's.

[00:13:19] Jeff Nesbitt: whatever. I do not have those kinds of relationships at all.

[00:13:23] Jeff Nesbitt: have them though. I don't think I, I don't think I notice those kinds of things.

[00:13:35] Jeff Nesbitt: Social warriors.

[00:13:45] Elsa Linquist-Nesbitt: Yeah. Uh,

[00:13:56] Jeff Nesbitt: know people can be real, real, awful.

[00:14:05] You said that older talking about you, I'm not. And then you're like, wait, Are you talking about me or is she who's who's right or wrong? Here? Are you

[00:14:21] I'm sure you've had friends, like probably like Stella that no matter what, it's just like no time has passed and you're just like, Tight again.

[00:14:35] We both know everything that's going on in each other's lives, but I cannot text Stella for like two weeks and it will be like nothing changes when we see each other.

[00:14:51] And hopefully. Best case scenario, and then it's you get together and it's just like, God, I missed you. I'm so glad that you're still here. Like. Existing.

[00:15:09] We would just start being friends like this year, I think. Yeah. but like, if I stopped texting Hailey for like a month, I think that like, she would just automatically assume our friendship was like over. Yeah. Because friends have to maintain that relationship. Best friends. You can like leave it alone for a month and then be like, Hey, you want to hang

[00:15:30] Uh, probably had time to build that foundation. Right. It's there.

[00:15:38] Jeff Nesbitt: four or five years old.

[00:15:45] Jeff Nesbitt: So let's, let's get, uh, to the show, I suppose. Okay.

[00:16:01] Uh, or how he got involved with the business that was already started when he got there. Uh, we talk about our first time using tobacco, both of us. And, uh, it was very young for both of us. Have you ever tried tobacco? No, it's awful. It is so bad. It just makes you feel like puking right

[00:16:21] Jeff Nesbitt: Are you still have wax for making candles? Are you making candles out of that lavender?

[00:16:31] Jeff Nesbitt: make me candle for out here in the studio.

[00:16:43] Jeff Nesbitt: I have a ton of those because I saved them for that reason. I'm like, this is good wax. You can't throw

[00:16:59] Jeff Nesbitt: don't [00:17:00] care if they're colored, you don't have to color mine.

[00:17:08] Elsa Linquist-Nesbitt: over when you give them away for an Chels candle for Christmas, I made it a layered one. It was a.

[00:17:34] Oh, yeah. I'm like

[00:17:38] Um, I used to.

[00:17:48] Elsa Linquist-Nesbitt: my God,

[00:18:10] Elsa Linquist-Nesbitt: As he saw on the crushes, it could just go,

[00:18:15] Elsa Linquist-Nesbitt: Finna say, if he's on crutches, you could give him my name with crutches in it.

[00:18:37] Oh, wait, it's on this. C2

[00:18:45] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh, that's excellent. Yeah, electric. That's what I'm going to use.

[00:19:08] Elsa Linquist-Nesbitt: Okay.

[00:19:11] Jeff Nesbitt: It's hard. It's hard. You're going to, you're going to find that out quickly without right in the brain. The mic. Okay.

[00:19:24] Um,

[00:19:29] Jeff Nesbitt: ado. That's good. I do the shout out to Kyle.

[00:19:35] Without further ado, please give it up for the electric.

[00:19:41] Jeff Nesbitt: Very good. Okay. Enjoy the show, everybody.

CJ Hawkinson (audio)

[00:00:09] That sounds pretty good. That's pretty good. Yeah.

[00:00:16] Jeff Nesbitt: I got Jefferson's reserve because my name's Jeff.

[00:00:23] CJ Hawkinson: if I've had that one. It

[00:00:29] CJ Hawkinson: you just went with the name. No,

[00:00:45] CJ Hawkinson: Usually that's how usually don't end up with a hangover for the expensive ones.

[00:00:51] Jeff Nesbitt: Smells like candy. It's very sweet. This was almost out Kentucky bourbon.

[00:00:57] Yeah. That's I thought you

[00:01:03] CJ Hawkinson: Oh, I got ya. Air raid it, aerate it.

[00:01:10] CJ Hawkinson: someone might have roofed us.

[00:01:19] CJ Hawkinson: You've had too many roofies

[00:01:39] CJ Hawkinson: well I think Ian Bitner shoved some chew in my mouth, like down my throat when I was maybe like 10.

[00:01:49] Jeff Nesbitt: go round. That's the same way I got exposed. Yeah. Three. Yeah. My grandpa gave me a big dip. told me I was gonna put hair on my nuts or something. Oh, I remember. And I swallowed it.

[00:02:04] Jeff Nesbitt: No, no. That's, that's not the best way to, to share drugs with children.

[00:02:14] Jeff Nesbitt: I know it's tobacco gum. Exactly. They that's. Those are the, like the only two fake tobacco products still on the market. Do you want to try some of this?

[00:02:39] Thanks for coming, CJ. Thanks for

[00:02:49] Jeff Nesbitt: I just assume that they do, like, they know what

[00:03:00] Jeff Nesbitt: a blended is multiple barrels mixed together, so they can like get the taste to be all kind of uniform.

[00:03:10] CJ Hawkinson: Probably. There you go. Yeah. They, they, it was Matt less now they know. Yeah.

[00:03:23] Jeff Nesbitt: right. Yeah. I think so. Small batch, private reserve, all that, those fancy words.

[00:03:31] Jeff Nesbitt: okay. So how do you, like, what's the technique for drinking, drinking whiskey?

[00:03:40] CJ Hawkinson: open it up. I mean, I, I think like, uh, I guess it probably depends on if you're drinking like a, a scotch with certain people or different whiskeys like me, I like one ice cube and I let it melt a little bit, but I remember listening to something where they talked about, uh, just adding a little bit of water to [00:04:00] it is like the proper way.

[00:04:03] Jeff Nesbitt: in it. Yeah. Cuz that like allows it to yeah. Get aromatic. Yep.

[00:04:19] So this first one it's called Jefferson's reserve. It says very old Kentucky Strait bourbon whiskey, very small batch boy. They're a little bit hyperbolic on this bottle. very heavy with the

[00:04:40] Jeff Nesbitt: aughts is terrible. Yeah. But I mean it gets the job done.

[00:04:50] Eventually I'll have someone doing all this part. Yeah. And I'll just sit here and talk to you.

[00:04:59] Jeff Nesbitt: I [00:05:00] tried to get him to do it. He doesn't, he doesn't wanna do that. Yeah.

[00:05:06] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah, yeah,

[00:05:13] Jeff Nesbitt: Jamie Vernon? Yeah, that's the,

[00:05:15] Jeff Nesbitt: one. Oh, excuse me. All right.

[00:05:36] CJ Hawkinson: Well, smells a little spicy.

[00:05:45] CJ Hawkinson: you haven't drank McDonald's in a while then? No,

[00:05:55] It smells much, much better than my memories at McDonald's

[00:06:07] Oh yeah. And then, uh, I did, uh, one for Nova cell account in grades river too. Dang.

[00:06:23] CJ Hawkinson: Yeah. Set it all up and got everything. He, he owns, one of the buildings out there in Grazer river.

[00:06:34] CJ Hawkinson: he's I think that's his grant.

[00:06:39] Jeff Nesbitt: like that. That's funny. Yeah. What's your political

[00:06:48] do you remember? Uh, He was Matt Chavez to us, right? Yeah. Yeah. Um, of course he wanted me to ask you if you would start, um, twitching live streaming your podcast.[00:07:00]

[00:07:00] CJ Hawkinson: That's he said, uh, he'd like to watch that I

[00:07:17] CJ Hawkinson: I'm a little jealous though that you have kinda like a nice comfy

[00:07:27] CJ Hawkinson: on north side of the road the other day here in Chinook.

[00:07:34] Jeff Nesbitt: up or I could lay down and they could sit in this chair there. Yeah. and then I don't have to like, worry about my face which is also another thing but yeah. Enough nuts and bolts of podcasting. Do you wanna do a shot? Sure. Let's do it. All

[00:07:58] Jeff Nesbitt: oh, you know what? I [00:08:00] really wanna drink this squirt I'm gonna, I'm just gonna take a pole off the bottle and have it with squirt.

[00:08:06] CJ Hawkinson: you go. That's we used to always drink. Uh, I love squirt Pendleton squirt.

[00:08:20] CJ Hawkinson: squirt, always reminds me of the, uh, the high school pop machine. Oh yeah. I always got squirt from that pop machine. It seemed like. Uh, nice squirt for the morning and down to Mike Garcia's class.

[00:08:38] CJ Hawkinson: Yeah. Nice.

[00:08:51] Jeff Nesbitt: Um, I don't remember. I would, I'm terrible with that stuff. Yeah. I can't re it seemed like, uh, once people leave they're they're [00:09:00] just not here. Like LA

[00:09:05] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:09:23] CJ Hawkinson: I think so.

[00:09:29] CJ Hawkinson: apologize for me

[00:09:35] CJ Hawkinson: I should probably, I should probably

[00:09:41] CJ Hawkinson: Yeah, I think so.

[00:09:50] CJ Hawkinson: Um, I guess my role in what we. I don't know if, uh, I don't think I really played [00:10:00] well, I, I played a 50 50 role. I'll take that

[00:10:11] how to respond to that because I don't want to throw you under the bus. Sure. Yeah. I can't, I can't really do that. Well, no, but it's also not. Yeah,

[00:10:21] Jeff Nesbitt: but yeah, we did both,

[00:10:33] Jeff Nesbitt: I honestly don't even remember what we said at all what we said, but I don't feel like we were that disrespectful in conversation.

[00:10:45] Jeff Nesbitt: what I remember two days.

[00:10:49] CJ Hawkinson: Well, I think, yeah, they were monitoring obviously. Uh kids' social media. Yeah, the school

[00:11:08] This I, I highly doubt. You're gonna

[00:11:11] Jeff Nesbitt: Um, well there was this account called polar bear and they were just basically talking mad shit to everybody Uhhuh and saying funny things and no one knew who it was. And, there, a rumor started going around that it was Ms.

[00:11:44] CJ Hawkinson: me yeah.

[00:11:52] Jeff Nesbitt: Um, maybe it wasn't sixth grade. I just said sixth grade cuz I was picturing Joe Peterson. But now that you're, now that you say that it was in the [00:12:00] high school, she, she moved up with us.

[00:12:05] when she teach

[00:12:17] CJ Hawkinson: I remember that. Yeah.

[00:12:22] And I, I did, I did a very, uh, a stunning D uh, diorama of a Spanish bullfighter Uhhuh. I stayed up like, it was like one of my first Allnighters I made it at a cardboard. It was like, I made a half like a cutaway of a big Spanish Coliseum full of people, Uhhuh. And then in the middle, out of, Playto not Playto, but modeling clay, I made a bowl and a Matador, like in position, like fighting and in my head it was gonna be so beautiful.

[00:13:03] I don't remember it. It's okay. I'm glad. Sorry. I'm glad you don't. I put it in the back cause no one would see it. Cause sometimes I really nailed it on projects. Yeah. So people were coming to check out my shit. Yeah. Telling catapult down there.

[00:13:23] Yeah. And staking it down and that, and it flipped every time.

[00:13:40] And the hood latch. So we cut the hood, latch out, took, pulled the cable and had like the piece that you have in the car and you'd hold that in your hand and click and it would go BA bang and just launch whatever it really launched itself further than it launched the projectile, because it was, it, it was just not [00:14:00] balanced, all that.

[00:14:08] CJ Hawkinson: it would seriously hurt you if you

[00:14:17] CJ Hawkinson: Typical. Uh, was that fifth grade?

[00:14:37] The cap cut the top of the cap off. Yeah. And then the base was just a piece of really thick steel it was so heavy too. I remember barely being able to carry that thing around. Yeah. Yeah. We made three slots. So you can move the spring and adjust the tension Uhhuh. And I could never even come close to [00:15:00] moving it.

[00:15:26] Yeah. Just so like, so it has some padding so that it cuz what was happening is the arm would move so fast. It would basically bounce off of the lip of the cup Uhhuh before it went flying. Oh, got you. So Sawyer had the idea to bring it up a little bit and pat it and get that, launch it out and it worked really fucking good.

[00:16:07] So he is,

[00:16:12] Jeff Nesbitt: genius or something. I could see that about him. Yeah. I could see that about him. Yeah, for sure. On the weaponry. In fact, I think I've always known that about him deep down. Yeah. That he was a weaponry genius really into swords

[00:16:23] Jeff Nesbitt: He just general warfare. Yeah.

[00:16:38] CJ Hawkinson: Yeah. He up

[00:16:43] CJ Hawkinson: Yeah. Sounds like the best year ever. Everyone keeps

[00:16:48] Yeah, it does. That's cool. Good for them. Yeah.

[00:16:54] Jeff Nesbitt: to fish? Yeah, no, no, go do it. No, no, no.

[00:17:14] Jeff Nesbitt: No, I don't either. I don't wanna work, um, on a boat. Well, that's

[00:17:28] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. And it's, it's definitely hard work too. They make good money though. Yeah. But I, I don't, I could do other things, not worth it to me.

[00:17:44] CJ Hawkinson: Well, I remember like Jake used to go up there and just hang out.

[00:17:59] CJ Hawkinson: who [00:18:00] are your partners?

[00:18:16] Jeff Nesbitt: Who own it? How'd you get involved

[00:18:23] Pretty. I remember that. Yeah. You got a truck real fast. I did. Yeah, probably not the smartest thing. Oh, you regret it? I mean, no, I could afford it. And do you still have

[00:18:34] CJ Hawkinson: now. Uh, that that's an oh five. So yeah, I bought it in oh seven. So I, I started there, um, actually remember that big storm in 2007.

[00:19:07] And then after that, I started on, um, doing some online college and started with Ford electric around December. I wanna say it was sixth, seventh, 2007, somewhere in there. And I mainly was trying to get a job because I ran outta money from fishing and then, uh, got hired there and got my first residential license in 2010.

[00:20:20] So it was started up in Raymond, um, at the mills, it was, uh, gene Ford, which, who was the owner. When I started, it was his grandpa who started it up in Raymond and then his dad Jack took over the business and they moved it down to long beach, probably around like 1977, somewhere in there. And, uh, they opened up, uh, a shop downtown.

[00:21:22] Jean's still around he's uh, he's actually our, uh, our shop guy right now. He, um, organizes the parts in the shop for us and. Nice. He pretty much, uh, you know, buys all of the material, organizes all of it, and which is actually a big part for us trying to be efficient for all projects. Yeah. I bet

[00:21:47] Yeah. So what's your day to day? Like, are you, uh, are you doing the electrical work yourself or are you doing office shit

[00:22:09] Um, I do bills, quotes, um, just the management of the schedule. And then I'll either on some days I'll go out and look at jobs and then come back and write 'em up. Or I'm just mainly at the office fielding phone calls and trying to write up quotes. So I'm usually buried

[00:22:34] The

[00:23:02] Um, on me, I, I think the last time, uh, someone went to the hospital, they had, uh, what was it? Um, they hit something, someone flew up and whacked them in the eye and cut, open their eyebrow. So they had to go down and get some stitches a few weeks ago.

[00:23:22] The company? Yeah. That's good. Yeah. Um, it was, what's been the most surprising part about being, like, being in charge that you didn't expect? Um,

[00:23:56] And you're like, what the fuck are the people in the [00:24:00] office doing? Like, I'm out here, I'm digging ditches for eight hours. Yeah. You know, when I got into the office and I sit in front of a computer all day and I fielded phone calls, you know, if I, if I have less than 50 phone calls in a day, that's a very

[00:24:17] Uh, like you had to make that many or that many come in, just come

[00:24:40] Maybe they're upset, maybe, you know, they are someone who want to ask you 20 questions every couple days leading up into their project, you know, because they're very detailed yeah. On what they want done. Um, it it's way easier working in the field and doing manual labor [00:25:00] than dealing with the office part.

[00:25:04] Jeff Nesbitt: yeah. I, I feel the same way. It's different, different kinds of hard. Sure. Like the, I, cuz I do both with my job, I do the field stuff and the office stuff and I'm usually happy to switch. Yeah. When I've been doing office stuff for weeks, there's nothing better than going out in the field.

[00:25:28] CJ Hawkinson: I mean, during the winter, I, I shouldn't really complain that that much, all the guys are out there in Rainer. They're crawling underneath people's houses, you know, with whatever's under their dead animals, spiders, all that stuff, um, crawling through people's ATS.

[00:26:03] Jeff Nesbitt: Cause then you're stuck for a certain amount of hours.

[00:26:09] Jeff Nesbitt: the hours that are usable

[00:26:23] If I was working in the field, no, you know, I can't stop a job and do that.

[00:26:46] But I'll only go on a day when I can just go right in and go, I, I will not make an appointment. And I don't, I don't know why I just don't wanna do it.

[00:27:03] Jeff Nesbitt: I actually almost thought about having you give me a haircut on this podcast in live well, I'm very

[00:27:17] Jeff Nesbitt: I'll go get the Clippers. What do you want? What do you want? Buzz. Cut a buzz. Cut. I just want a buzz cut and a, and a beard.

[00:27:24] CJ Hawkinson: a decent combo. You gotta show me

[00:27:33] Can

[00:27:39] Jeff Nesbitt: I'm really considering this

[00:27:48] Jeff Nesbitt: shaved my head before?

[00:27:58] Jeff Nesbitt: Did you? Oh, and you definitely remember [00:28:00] that. Yeah. Yeah. I got, I got a buzz cut of football camp and I think you actually shaved my head in my kitchen. Yeah,

[00:28:11] Jeff Nesbitt: when I had long hair, remember I went to buzz cut. Did you shave my head?

[00:28:15] CJ Hawkinson: don't know if I can claim it. I don't remember who did it, you know, I could have done it, but I don't remember. Um,

[00:28:27] CJ Hawkinson: Do you remember when we were like freshman at football camp and we got our hair cut by the seniors or no, I at least got my cut by the seniors.

[00:28:51] Jeff Nesbitt: I was not involved in that, the side. I remember you popped up with a new haircut. Yeah, I don't, I can't remember. I was not there.

[00:28:57] CJ Hawkinson: freshman. And I'm how

[00:29:00] CJ Hawkinson: Uh, gosh, we were probably just, I don't even know if we were at camp rally when we were freshman.

[00:29:12] CJ Hawkinson: Yeah. I can't re I remember going to a, a football camp one time at Oregon state, but I think you and Benny and Jeff.

[00:29:21] Jeff Nesbitt: there, but no one ever told me about these kind of camps. I did like, yeah, I wasn't going anyway, but I never even knew about it till you guys got back. Eddie went once too. I think he

[00:29:38] Jeff Nesbitt: the only remember how good Paul was in middle school.

[00:29:46] CJ Hawkinson: just joking. Um, yeah, it was fun. I remember, I think I rode down with, uh, Paul and his parents to Corvallis. And we stayed down there in the dorms for

[00:29:59] CJ Hawkinson: like it was like [00:30:00] five days, five,

[00:30:06] Like I'd been to, uh, for knowledgeable. I think I'd been to grays Harbor college. Yeah. As a seventh or eighth grader. But, uh, when I was like 16, I got to go visit, um, go check out the beavers and watch a football game stuff. It was really cool.

[00:30:28] A lot of it on the outside. I remember the high school was there. I mean, they had pretty much had their whole team there. And then I think there was only us four middle school schoolers who went. I

[00:30:46] I have no clue. Hmm.

[00:31:04] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. You were always buddies with the teachers.

[00:31:11] Um, but yeah, I really don't know how we went.

[00:31:16] Jeff Nesbitt: bucket.

[00:31:24] CJ Hawkinson: pictures? Uh, yeah, I think I've seen a couple of them. Pretty cool. Yep. It's pretty amazing. Have you ever gone over to Goldendale?

[00:31:38] CJ Hawkinson: you go to the observatory? Um, no. In Goldendale I have

[00:31:47] Like, oh, that's

[00:31:55] Jeff Nesbitt: I have never been to the observatory.

[00:32:02] I think they have, um, what do they call the domes with the telescopes in them?

[00:32:11] CJ Hawkinson: I thought they had some sort of name for 'em, but, um, they have two domes with like great big telescopes in 'em that they can turn 'em around. Um, I bet that's cool. Oh, it was awesome. We went there. It was quite a while ago.

[00:32:54] Jeff Nesbitt: You had a very rich childhood. You like did shit.

[00:33:00] No, this was like, well, it was me and Aaron. So, and I wanna say, oh, this is not your childhood. Not my childhood was, uh, it was a youth Turkey hunt. So it was like early April,

[00:33:13] It was your childhood. Yeah. Cuz you're I was thinking youth Turkey, youth Turkey hunt. Yeah. That's kinda hard to say youth Turkey hut. I wanted to add an end to youth to youth. Yeah. I wanted to call it youth.

[00:33:45] CJ Hawkinson: Maybe it's that coding you were talking about?

[00:33:54] Jeff Nesbitt: whiskey. Yeah, let's do that. Let's try another one. So I

[00:34:08] Jeff Nesbitt: one? Let's yeah, let's try it. Okay. Casey Venus brought Buffalo trace.

[00:34:13] CJ Hawkinson: you've had this one. I've here already. I've had one airplane bottle. Okay. So Buffalo trace, Kentucky street bourbon. All right.

[00:34:33] Jeff Nesbitt: I don't think so. No, it's

[00:34:38] Jeff Nesbitt: Did that, that or, or there's one other possibility. he's gotta be good.

[00:34:50] well, he is getting paid from them, right?

[00:35:11] I would do it

[00:35:17] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. I would do it there. The problem is when people endorse shit. That is uh, garbage. Yeah.

[00:35:26] Jeff Nesbitt: also happens a lot.

[00:35:45] So I, it might wait, are

[00:35:50] CJ Hawkinson: I mean, I don't, I don't have too many issues with them other than what about Khashoggi? Like Khashoggi women's rights, you know? Yeah. They are kind of shitty. [00:36:00] They're a bit shitty.

[00:36:01] Jeff Nesbitt: I mean, I've heard princes are real dicks. I heard,

[00:36:06] Jeff Nesbitt: Why is that? Why is there so many princes?

[00:36:24] He's the richest person. I didn't know that. Yeah. They're saying Putin is actually, and Elon even says it he's actually the richest person in the world, but then there's the Saudis who don't have to claim anything. Don't have to show you what they have and they make billions on oil every single day. And, and they

[00:36:44] Jeff Nesbitt: it.

[00:36:47] CJ Hawkinson: Yeah, I'm sure they're probably, you know, they are on the list. There is some

[00:36:56] CJ Hawkinson: themselves on the list. Something. I mean, I don't know what it is, but [00:37:00] I remember reading about how really they don't have to report all of the money that they're taking in.

[00:37:08] Jeff Nesbitt: it burned my eyes before, before I took a drink. Sorry, you

[00:37:14] Jeff Nesbitt: fan then I'm a Jefferson man, I guess. Yeah. Ooh. That's not bad though, but it did. Yeah, it did burn my eyes a bit. Cool. Face. Hold it.

[00:37:42] Jeff Nesbitt: son of a bitch. Buffalo trays. Have you ever had, what is it like? PEPY van PEPY, van Winkle, PEPY van Winkle. Um, boy, that's fun to say.

[00:37:53] CJ Hawkinson: good. I've heard that. It's good. I've also heard that. It's actually not that good. [00:38:00] Oh, I've heard that scandalous. It, uh, tastes like gasoline.

[00:38:16] Yeah. I've heard it like videos of people, like . There's no smell what happened to the smell of gas? What are all the Huffer doing? My gas smells just normal. Completely normal. Yeah. I check the very next day. I pump gas every day. At least once mm-hmm fine. It smells like gas, normal smell, normal smelling gas.

[00:38:40] CJ Hawkinson: like COVID. That's what it is. Yeah. They had COVID. That was

[00:38:56] Did you get COVID?

[00:39:05] Jeff Nesbitt: Did you worry about dying?

[00:39:16] Jeff Nesbitt: you seen any good movies lately? Have you heard of this movie? Everything everywhere all at once? No,

[00:39:25] I don't know. You're just scrolling through movies as we

[00:39:32] that boring? Huh? No, I'm looking, we gotta get into something. We gotta get into something. Okay. I'm looking for a, a quiz

[00:39:46] Jeff Nesbitt: you heard that. So I don't just as a preface, I don't watch a lot of movies. Me either. I, we should probably ask each other over and over.

[00:39:57] CJ Hawkinson: the, uh, have you seen the new [00:40:00] matrix? No, they made another one. Yeah.

[00:40:07] CJ Hawkinson: No. No. It's I heard Keanu's been

[00:40:19] Was he

[00:40:24] Jeff Nesbitt: Who could say, Hmm, probably bill. I've seen that movie. There's two of them, those movies. I was also very into them as a little kid Uhhuh. Um, that's what I com like, I, I thought that that's what photo, not photo booths. Uh, I thought that's what phone booths were for. I called them bill and Ted things for traveling for years of my life.

[00:40:47] CJ Hawkinson: and Ted thing going through the history, going through the past. Yeah. Oh, and the Fu they went in the future too. Didn't they?

[00:41:06] I'm sorry. I'm I'm feeling very tired today. I. Woke up at four in the morning. So I could go get all my work done in time to get prepared for this podcast. And I did all those things and then came time for the podcast. I'm like, man, I'm fucking exhausted.

[00:41:24] Jeff Nesbitt: there with you.

[00:41:25] CJ Hawkinson: it goes. I didn't see the new, um, the new Batman movie on the flight the other day. Well, I guess it's probably not that new. The one with

[00:41:48] No, um glitery and everything, but yes,

[00:42:14] I mean, what was the one with Heath ledger? The dark night, the dark night, you know, darker than the dark night, I would say. Yeah. Wow. Um, it was good. I liked it. There wasn't really any comedy to it. Hmm.

[00:42:36] did you ever see the, uh, what was that one? The dumb one with the, like, it was like a, with a group of them with Arnold. Schwar George Leto. No, not Arnold. Arnold Schwarzenegger. Fuck. No, that's not the

[00:42:49] Jeff Nesbitt: Schwarzenegger. That's American classic. The worst Batman.

[00:42:55] CJ Hawkinson: Mr. Freeze. which one are you think? Oh, Jared. Oh, [00:43:00] um, suicide squad. Yeah, I've seen that. I haven't is he good? Mm, not great. No. What do you think

[00:43:06] CJ Hawkinson: Leto? I think he, I like him, you know, I think he has, uh, pretty vast, uh, area where he can act in. I mean, he played, uh, what was the one with him and, um, Matthew McConaughy Dallas bys

[00:43:25] Holy shit. That movie was good. Remember that? Wasn't that? Yeah, I forgotten about that was Jared. Let right here it is. I found it. There it is. LA LA LA LA LA. That's the spot you found it. I found it. You got into it now we can start the podcast. All right. Fire it up 58 minutes in finally goddamn.

[00:43:44] Yeah. Huh? Well, we had two drinks, I guess. Yeah. And a shot.

[00:44:02] Yeah.

[00:44:05] Jeff Nesbitt: right? Yeah. Okay. So we got a little of both in the mix. Yeah. It crosses over. Yeah. And nailed it. Yeah.

[00:44:21] Jeff Nesbitt: pretty, I bet it was good. Yeah. You know, he's a killer musician

[00:44:25] No, didn't know that. Yeah. He's got a band, huh? I know he is. Um, he's like been sober for like 25 years or something

[00:44:35] CJ Hawkinson: good. I remember reading something about when he was the joker. He's pretty like a woman. He is. He is, I think he does paint his nails and everything too.

[00:44:46] Jeff Nesbitt: thinking about starting to

[00:44:50] Jeff Nesbitt: that. It's cool. People paint their cars. Yeah.

[00:44:54] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. Why not? People paint their houses? Yeah. We paint shit to adorn ourselves. [00:45:00] You know, it's what we do. I always

[00:45:04] Jeff Nesbitt: Well, how could a tattoo be manly and paint? Your nails is not

[00:45:09] Jeff Nesbitt: Probably. What if it's a, a tattoo of a, a man getting fucked

[00:45:19] Jeff Nesbitt: I mean, it's about the manliest thing you possibly do.

[00:45:26] Jeff Nesbitt: yeah. Cool. I guess, I guess that is what I'm just getting right to the heart of it though. Is isn't that what everyone's worried about is, is it'll be, you'll be perceived as feminine or, or somehow less masculine or gay if you have painted fingernails. Absolutely. Yeah. That's what my fear is, but I don't know why I'm I, I'm not actually afraid of those things.

[00:45:53] CJ Hawkinson: Well, I think you, you see a whole lot more of like a celebrities artists who actually paint their nails. [00:46:00] Yeah. And so it's way more common than what it used to be.

[00:46:13] Jeff Nesbitt: Well, I've gone totally different. I've gone work with painted nails many times. Yeah. Because I have daughters exactly. Who like to paint my nails and that is how I figured out that it's kind of, I was like, I kind, it looks kind of good Uhhuh.

[00:46:45] I'm not, not all crazy

[00:46:53] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah, exactly. It's very fun. Like just to bond with a

[00:47:03] Jeff Nesbitt: different.

[00:47:12] CJ Hawkinson: to be bigots. I think so. I mean, they always talk about, they didn't mean any harm by it. So their dad's then the least, you know, were the, you know, greatest generation ever.

[00:47:28] CJ Hawkinson: well, my dad's a boomer. No, I'm talking about their parents. What are, oh,

[00:47:32] CJ Hawkinson: That's the greatest. Yeah. The boomers are from the greatest. I think, you know, the kids of the greatest, the people who did world war II, all that stuff.

[00:47:54] Jeff Nesbitt: and, and other stuff too. I think the issue is that the world was just a different place.

[00:48:05] CJ Hawkinson: person. Well, I think you go back in history, you keep on going back and people are meaner and yeah. And way different. The further you go, people are more brutal in everything. So because

[00:48:20] Yeah, sure. Like who are just, you know, ripping faces and testicles everywhere they

[00:48:28] Jeff Nesbitt: No,

[00:48:45] And so this gal owned that Chimp and I can't remember if it was that gal or her friend was over at the house and that Chimp ripped that lady's face apart. At the house. I've heard that story. That was the old Navy [00:49:00] Chimp.

[00:49:09] Sure. Yeah. Did they kill that Chimp? Do they do

[00:49:17] Jeff Nesbitt: Chimp shit.

[00:49:20] Jeff Nesbitt: what they do? You bring a Chimp into your house and expect not to it faces that's just your

[00:49:28] Those are babies.

[00:49:44] It was just fucking Aaron

[00:49:53] Jeff Nesbitt: mean, I really found myself, uh, just like marveling at the novelty of it while we cuz [00:50:00] everybody was seriously watching it together, we were all watching it and everyone was talking about it on Twitter and Facebook and Instagram.

[00:50:18] CJ Hawkinson: get enough of it. I'd find Aaron singing the Carol Baskin song in another room.

[00:50:32] CJ Hawkinson: that's who she is. Yeah. Has she feed 'em to the tigers? Yeah. Isn't that the theory, but that's what they

[00:50:40] Is, is the guests, I mean, no one knows for sure. Hmm. It's really more myth than fact at this point.

[00:50:55] Jeff Nesbitt: we should, uh, I, I bet Carol Baskins could make a lot of [00:51:00] money off of her fame.

[00:51:13] CJ Hawkinson: I know. Do, did you ever see the part where, uh, I'm sure he did, uh, that one tiger was like grabbing him at his legs and he was falling down and he was like shooting at the ground and yeah.

[00:51:25] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah.

[00:51:30] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh yeah. Remember that? Yeah. I forgot about that. Yeah. And she went back to work. She

[00:51:42] I think. Who's your favorite amputee? Oh, you had to pick one, uh, Boyd. Wilson. Who's.

[00:51:52] CJ Hawkinson: Yeah. Out of all of, uh, who's your, yeah. That's celebrities. Why why'd you pick him? Um, you know, he is very [00:52:00] influential on me and you know, he is one of my best friends.

[00:52:06] CJ Hawkinson: Um, I would say his compassion for other people. He's very caring. Um, he's, uh, extremely funny. One of the best storytellers I've ever, you know, listened to, um, and his knowledge and, um, his, his way of like teaching you too. I mean, he has no problem, like showing you stuff, talking about stuff and teaching you everything he knows, and he knows a lot.

[00:52:40] Jeff Nesbitt: that's a good reason. Yeah. Good answer. I would say Lieutenant Dan,

[00:52:47] Jeff Nesbitt: pretty good one. You ain't got no, like Lieutenant

[00:52:56] Jeff Nesbitt: At least it's just like plays in, in America [00:53:00] somewhere at all times. Yeah. It's a movie that is universally loved except by hipsters.

[00:53:04] CJ Hawkinson: you remember how my dad and the, his friends had a elk camp? Yeah. Oh yeah. You remember that? That was one of the movies up at elk camp.

[00:53:14] CJ Hawkinson: what, what were the other movies like? Number one would be captain Ron. Oh, I'm what Kurt Russell. Kurt Russell, uh, Martin short.

[00:53:23] CJ Hawkinson: Do you remember that movie? Yeah, I do. That was probably, they might have watched that movie every single night and they were up there during late buck, all the, all the way through elk. So this is like a good two, two and a half

[00:53:41] That

[00:53:48] Jeff Nesbitt: that stuff. And you grew up up there, like you were going there every year, starting when?

[00:54:07] And that was probably like when I was like seven or eight. And then probably when I got to like 10, I want to say, I would say up there for like a week, by the time I was 12, I was up there for longer and it was fun cuz I would, uh, go up there. They'd let me drive their trucks around on the logging roads, you know mm-hmm and uh, um, mark, one of my dad's buddies, he was the kinda like camp cook.

[00:55:00] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh, mark shield. Yeah. Was mark ion up

[00:55:03] CJ Hawkinson: with you guys too? Yep. Mark Binion was up there. Um, and mark would fill up all of these kinda like coffee thermos full of that soup and he'd give me all of them and I'd get in a truck and I'd drive all over the place and I'd find all those guys the way they hunted was like, uh, they would go to a clear cut and like sit on a stump and just watch the clear cut all day.

[00:55:45] Jeff Nesbitt: Were you hunting for deer? They did. I say you went up there for late buck. Is that I

[00:55:59] [00:56:00] 11, somewhere in there.

[00:56:04] CJ Hawkinson: year? Yeah. Yeah, I do. Uh, deer elk. I usually get a bear tag.

[00:56:10] Jeff Nesbitt: I remember when you shot a Bobcat, when you were in high school, I did shoot a Bobcat. Yeah. that was cool. I mean, what'd you do with it? Did you eat that,

[00:56:22] So me and pat. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah.

[00:56:30] CJ Hawkinson: delicious.

[00:56:37] CJ Hawkinson: Cougar? Yeah, not, no, not that's hard to do specifically. I mean, I've heard of like ways of doing it.

[00:57:03] Um, and then Aaron in my property up there, that area, we also have a Cougar up there. So could be the same one, cuz it's not that far from that property up and over to the other property. Mm-hmm um, how

[00:57:17] CJ Hawkinson: Cougar? Gosh, I wanna say like

[00:57:46] Jeff Nesbitt: They travel a lot, right?

[00:57:51] Malcom: Yes.

[00:57:54] Jeff Nesbitt: Yep. Yeah.

[00:57:56] Marker: Little Cats.

[00:58:09] Killed by coyotes pretty quickly. Yeah. They love them. Yep. And then, uh, the cat we have now is the worst. I mean, she's nice now, but when we got her the worst

[00:58:22] cat

[00:58:32] Um, Erin would walk by and this cat would just attack Erin bite, her feet, like latch onto around her leg. Like dig in all of her claws as a young kitten. And one time, you know, she did it to me and, uh, I had a hold of her, you know, we're just sitting on the couch, I'm just petting her nicely and she's acting so sweet and everything.

[00:59:16] Jeff Nesbitt: you could, I guess

[00:59:18] You could kill me. And uh, so I let her go. She never bugged me again was always super nice to me, but still attacked Erin all the time.

[00:59:29] CJ Hawkinson: mean? Uh, biting. Yes. Oh, fuck. Biting. And I mean, she

[00:59:36] CJ Hawkinson: sometimes, but sometimes she would just latch right onto yeah.

[01:00:01] And they just don't ever get scratched. Never, never. The cat just is so docile and everything, but she's a killer outside. Oh, I bet now she's you tell so many birds, birds, squirrels, um, she kills moles. She kills so many things all the time and then brings them, you know, as a, as a prize up to us to show us.

[01:00:26] CJ Hawkinson: she's yeah. She kills all that

[01:00:33] CJ Hawkinson: like that,

[01:00:39] CJ Hawkinson: Yeah. Yeah. We had some, we always had like orange cats that were like, that's really nice, you know?

[01:01:03] It was great cat. And, um, she actually, she, when you probably first met her, she was super old. Um, so when I was a little kid, Dan, your father-in-law fifth and oh yeah, yeah. Um, he was over there

[01:01:26] CJ Hawkinson: yeah, sure. Um, he, he like went to grab that cat, you know, like, oh, what a nice cat.

[01:01:55] That was like by far the meanest cat ever in my life. [01:02:00] fucking cats. I know. So I'm not a big cat fan. Do

[01:02:24] Yeah. Yeah. And so she was left over from my previous relationship and when I went to move, so it had been three months and she was gone. Princess had, uh, basically moved out. She, I, I thought she'd been killed by a coyote or something, you know, cats disappear sometimes. And, uh, so I'm, I'm moving and I'm coming to live with Melissa here.

[01:03:10] Where are you going? And, uh, she come running over to me and she, and I opened my door and I put my hands out and I welcomed her in and she hopped up to me and, uh, she got in the van and we left. I didn't even go back in the house again. I'd already locked the house and everything. Yeah. And she's just like, well, if you're gonna leave yeah.

[01:03:57] It was very cute. ELs would just carry her around all the [01:04:00] time, but her and princess didn't really get along. So princess lived outside

[01:04:33] I know. Yeah. Fucking

[01:04:40] Jeff Nesbitt: you, or I don't even know where Melissa and the kids are right now. like, anyway, I'm, I'm laying there in the bed. I wake up in the night and princess is laying on my chest as she used to do.

[01:05:28] CJ Hawkinson: Maybe she meant it like

[01:05:30] Well, if she did, she, uh, will have to mean it to somebody else next time. Cuz I got rid of that cat um, I never allowed her in the house again. So she was an outside cat. I still fed her. But around here that's a death sentence. Yeah. I mean sad as it is, she had a place to go in the garage, but cats don't wanna live in a fucking shed by themselves.

[01:06:17] Uh, it's been three years since that happened and the house actually still, so Mia. To finish the story. Mia would just go around pissing all over everything to cover up the smell of princess. So we got rid of both of the

[01:06:35] Jeff Nesbitt: she started peeing on our clothes and stuff and like shoes.

[01:06:50] CJ Hawkinson: fingers. Some of the, you know, going into people's houses for electrical work.

[01:06:57] Jeff Nesbitt: talks about that too.

[01:07:01] Jeff Nesbitt: I bet you do. Let's hear one. Um, what's the most disgusting thing of involving rats you've ever seen

[01:07:21] That's exactly what I was hoping you'd say. Yeah. And, uh, you know, it it's, I sent it to the, uh, um, Washington state electrical inspectors, cuz they have a kinda like a monthly, uh, newsletter that they send out to everyone. And so they usually like include a picture of something, you know, maybe some sort of homeowner that did something that doing a thumbs up or something was like super dangerous, like wiring.

[01:08:08] And it had pulled out a wire, two wires that were wire netted together, and somehow spun the wire net off of him. And he touched each of its hands to different wires and he electrocuted it himself and died just like that. And holding them, holding each wire, one wire in each hand. Do you have the picture?

[01:08:31] Jeff Nesbitt: hold on your phone. I want it now. I don't want you to forget that's the, that's the thumbnail. It's

[01:09:02] Did I show you that picture before?

[01:09:05] CJ Hawkinson: it. Let's see. What year is this? 2000.

[01:09:14] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah, that's, that's a good opportunity for an app. Something that can really

[01:09:24] Jeff Nesbitt: How many pictures do you have on your phone?

[01:09:26] Jeff Nesbitt: um,

[01:09:32] Jeff Nesbitt: Damn.

[01:09:36] CJ Hawkinson: 2015, maybe?

[01:09:47] CJ Hawkinson: That's a lot of selfies of yourself.

[01:10:00] I'll tell you. Oh, I do have a lot of selfies. My God, 1,979. You

[01:10:07] Jeff Nesbitt: be guaranteed.

[01:10:12] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh, I just took a whole bunch because, uh, I I'd got a three day free trial of an, of an app for removing backgrounds, Uhhuh and I, so I took a whole bunch of pictures of my face, making various different, hilarious faces so I could cut the backgrounds out and put those faces over other people's bodies.

[01:10:37] CJ Hawkinson: have that.

[01:10:43] CJ Hawkinson: I, I have, I actually have TikTok it's much better. Actually. Ford electric has TikTok.

[01:11:05] Jeff Nesbitt: That's the one I'm talking about. Nice. Yeah. So I took a whole bunch of pictures of my face.

[01:11:15] Jeff Nesbitt: see how the head is? A little bit comically larger. Why was he doing that?

[01:11:30] Uh,

[01:11:35] CJ Hawkinson: that though? look at him. He's I don't know how he even spun that wire. That's a huge rat. Oh, it was big. And it was fresh. Look at him.

[01:11:53] He

[01:11:59] Jeff Nesbitt: Dude. I killed [01:12:00] a rat in my house that was around that size, huge rat. En Gorge breasts.

[01:12:07] Jeff Nesbitt: around, huh? Yeah. Well, I killed a lot of those too. They were small. They looked, they were like the size of mice, like a, an, an adult mouse is about the same size as a juvenile rat Uhhuh.

[01:12:26] You don't see my laptop either. Uh, no, go to your settings. You probably have contacts only or off.

[01:12:38] Jeff Nesbitt: Throw it over to the phone. I don't know why it

[01:12:45] do. You love your iPhone usually? Yeah. Are you an apple guy unable to download? There was an

[01:13:00] CJ Hawkinson: it's uh, or the photos, maybe they must be in my ag cloud and

[01:13:05] . That's why people

[01:13:12] Jeff Nesbitt: 2008, 7 0 7 0 7. You probably had one for me. I had the very first or second one. You did have one before me. I had the first, first one ever. The three. You did have the first one. Yeah, the one with a silver back.

[01:13:28] CJ Hawkinson: That's cool. I still have it up in my, I have so many iPhones that I broke. I have a

[01:13:34] CJ Hawkinson: The one, one thing I got with like a bunch of them, I can't get turned on, you know? Yeah. And, uh, I, I lost all the photos or videos off of them. I have like about eight iPhones that have pictures that I don't have anything on. Well, that's why I was saving them. And I want, I don't know how to get 'em off of there though.

[01:14:01] Jeff Nesbitt: I just bought a device for doing that. You should

[01:14:08] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh, cool.

[01:14:26] CJ Hawkinson: That's not the worst, uh, rat story though. Okay. Because you asked me what was my worst story? What that story I'll tell you. There was another business where we live and there was a rat encased in Greece underneath their oven for years.

[01:14:44] Jeff Nesbitt: telling you for years telling me the business.

[01:14:51] Jeff Nesbitt: I don't want to ever eat

[01:14:56] Jeff Nesbitt: cannot here. And until you tell me off the air, you'll [01:15:00] tell me. Sure. Yeah, we that's. That's terrible. Yeah, we would, we would check, but how were they to know?

[01:15:06] CJ Hawkinson: it. Well, you you'd do. Yeah, you do. You'd clean Jeff. Well, they were so busy though. I mean, every now and then maybe you pull that oven out of there and clean up the grease. Yeah. But it's so heavy. Yeah. But God that's probably the worst one.

[01:15:21] That's pretty bad. Yeah. What did it encased in Greece? What do you mean by that? Like, was it a cube?

[01:15:34] Jeff Nesbitt: it look like. Was it decomposed?

[01:15:44] Yeah. I mean, you go back like, you know, once a year or

[01:15:50] CJ Hawkinson: peak. Yeah.

[01:16:02] No. Is that right? Braa

[01:16:08] Jeff Nesbitt: Jamie. Siri, where are the tar pits?

[01:16:18] Jeff Nesbitt: Wilshire Boulevard in Los Angeles, Wilshire

[01:16:27] Jeff Nesbitt: That's the one Siri.

[01:16:31] CJ Hawkinson: I can call that location or get directions to it. What would you like me to do?

[01:16:38] CJ Hawkinson: Who would you like to

[01:16:43] CJ Hawkinson: I found at least 25 calls.

[01:16:47] I've had enough of this, sir. Goodbye.

[01:16:53] Jeff Nesbitt: series improved. I just fi it's 20, 22. Finally, sir is okay. It's gotten better. [01:17:00] It was so bad for so long.

[01:17:10] Jeff Nesbitt: What do you have yours call you?

[01:17:12] CJ Hawkinson: I don't

[01:17:15] CJ Hawkinson: do you mean? Um, she, she just, uh, says hello on my phone.

[01:17:22] CJ Hawkinson: I wanted.

[01:17:27] CJ Hawkinson: could. Yep. LaBrea. Is that, um, do you remember the movie with like Tommy Lee Jones? Was it volcano,

[01:17:42] CJ Hawkinson: I think so.

[01:17:46] Jeff Nesbitt: versus the volcano, Tom Hanks? No, not that movie. Terrible movie.

[01:18:01] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh shit. No, I don't know. I don't know of that movie

[01:18:11] Jeff Nesbitt: movie since 1906, more than 1 million bones have been recovered representing over 231 species of vertebrates.

[01:18:31] CJ Hawkinson: Yeah. I'm pretty sure that that movie you're gonna have to go watch that now.

[01:18:37] CJ Hawkinson: Volcano.

[01:18:43] What about no way.

[01:18:53] Jeff Nesbitt: have to tell me about James bro. Completely. Oh, I know Pierce Brasin

[01:19:02] Um, nothing really. It might have been like, uh, so

[01:19:10] CJ Hawkinson: I've watched a ton of those movies.

[01:19:19] Have you seen the room? No, we should watch the room together. Huh? I haven't been watching movie movie with you for a long. We used to watch a lot of movies together all the time. Yeah. Um, certain movies still make me think of you every time I like see anything about like Troy mm-hmm oh, oh man. We watched that movie a few times.

[01:20:00] When they're flooding the bogs. Oh yeah. All the chemical water. we'd swim in that. And we would watch Austin power's gold finger. I

[01:20:09] CJ Hawkinson: Yeah. Like we would, I don't know if we'd ride a bus or how we got to my house.

[01:20:16] CJ Hawkinson: do that every summer. I used to do the, um, the transit when I was a kid. That was always good.

[01:20:37] CJ Hawkinson: it to south bend. They

[01:20:45] CJ Hawkinson: crazy. It was like 35 cents everywhere.

[01:20:48] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. You could just stay on the bus all day. Was it 35

[01:20:53] Jeff Nesbitt: 35 cents. No inflation there. To be able to get wherever you need to go. Yep. it's excellent. Yeah. That's [01:21:00] very good deal. I loved the transit. I used the fucking of the transit.

[01:21:09] CJ Hawkinson: always, I think probably the first time I rode the transit, maybe sixth grade

[01:21:21] CJ Hawkinson: we did

[01:21:23] Cause maybe third, maybe in ocean park. Yeah, you're at, maybe it's in park, ocean park thing. but you boo, you fucks in long beach. They're just,

[01:21:33] Jeff Nesbitt: know, this is how you'll get around. watch out for the meth heads and the seats full of P

[01:21:50] I'd walk down to the, the bus. Just below the library, you know, across from Workland garage down there. And I'd sit at [01:22:00] that stop and there'd be like, uh, it was mainly just all ocean park kids. Yeah. You know, getting ready to catch the bus a long way up there. Yeah. I forget like Chris Brummett remember him.

[01:22:15] Jeff Nesbitt: Um, whatever, whatever happened to him, you know, I don't

[01:22:24] Jeff Nesbitt: like Jeremy Cox

[01:22:27] Jeff Nesbitt: park guy. Yep. I saw Jay Vaughn was an ocean park guy back then.

[01:22:31] CJ Hawkinson: I'd see. Uh, Thomas and Chad, Bobby, Chris lip every now and then Bobby Thomas and Chad, uh, Ben whitener. He wrote it every now Benner with yeah.

[01:22:44] CJ Hawkinson: What was his brother's name? I think Robert. Yeah. I feel like I saw him. Not that long

[01:22:56] Oh really? Yeah. Is that

[01:22:59] Jeff Nesbitt: I think [01:23:00] so. Yeah. Yeah. When they moved here, I thought it was way further away. I didn't know where Kath Lama was. That shows how small my world was.

[01:23:11] Jeff Nesbitt: Little bulldozer. Was that what he, his nickname Benny was big bulldozer.

[01:23:17] Yeah. Hmm. I don't know what my nickname was but I remember a few of my nicknames.

[01:23:33] CJ Hawkinson: teachers. Yeah. Um,

[01:23:45] He was like, we were like his favorites. Sure. Like he had a little group of us, at least in those years. He probably did that every year. But, um, he was, he wasn't molesting me. Was he

[01:24:05] I don't know. He had a couch. You'd go down there for lunch too. Oh

[01:24:13] CJ Hawkinson: you, uh, 20 bucks. I heard that, but eating a banana beer, I heard a thing or 30 bucks was it? It was 30 bucks. All right.

[01:24:35] Jeff Nesbitt: were on, like that was just the classroom. We hung

[01:24:38] Remember that? Um, and we got a, uh, antenna for TV mm-hmm and we watched Perry. Mason. Yeah. At lunch every day.

[01:24:47] CJ Hawkinson: great show.

[01:25:03] Jeff Nesbitt: I just, I just feel sad. Extremely sad. I'm not surprised either, but people are dark and they have, well, you don't know parts of 'em.

[01:25:11] CJ Hawkinson: exactly. You don't know everyone truly. You don't know what they do when you don't see 'em. Yeah. And, uh, did I see it coming? No,

[01:25:36] It's almost like those people that you have those memories with are kind of gone. Sure. It sucks. It's a weird

[01:25:57] Jeff Nesbitt: I don't see.

[01:25:59] CJ Hawkinson: good [01:26:00] memories. Yeah. There's nothing there.

[01:26:14] CJ Hawkinson: well, I'm trying to like, think of like something like, oh, that was like something that, you know, I thought about back then, like, oh, they, they brought something up that kind of, I question

[01:26:31] He was a little bit. Yeah. But I still really liked him. He was very good to me. Yeah. Um, he, he I'll

[01:26:41] I remember, uh, Alex was going off in Rick's class one day M and uh, I can't re Alex was trying to like, say something funny.

[01:26:56] Jeff Nesbitt: was what I believe you said. Yeah, I remember this.

[01:27:04] Jeff Nesbitt: think so. Or, or a, a kind of a, a loose woman. Dirty

[01:27:14] Jeff Nesbitt: mm-hmm,

[01:27:39] Sure. Yeah. But it was really, I don't know.

[01:28:01] Jeff Nesbitt: I would say I'm not shocked either. I am actually a little shocked. I wa yeah. You were shocked by, I was shocked by it. Yeah. Shocked. And just like, I don't know. The younger guy shocked me a little bit. I just couldn't believe it. Yeah. Just cuz he was some teachers engage, like really engage the kids and like build relationships mm-hmm and some don't.

[01:28:35] Yeah. he wasn't letting anybody know his political party. No. Or like what he was doing after school. He was maybe,

[01:28:43] Jeff Nesbitt: Tom Trudel possibly. Yeah. He was fantastic. Yes. Yeah. And he drew very clean boundaries. Mm-hmm between, between his personal life and his professional life and it, and it worked out well.

[01:29:08] CJ Hawkinson: that'd be a good rule.

[01:29:18] Just let women do it men. Thanks. Anyway. Glad you were interested. I'm not saying you're a pedophile, but just like go do something

[01:29:42] Not a lot. No. Did you hear about men?

[01:29:49] CJ Hawkinson: camera um, no. Okay. Well, but well, some people did , but, but that's, I was joking about that this week. Like yeah. What is [01:30:00] wrong with men?

[01:30:01] Jeff Nesbitt: statistics. Yeah. Men are just worse. We are, we have more activity. We do more of everything. .

[01:30:11] Jeff Nesbitt: Right? Yep. But there's more men inventors. There's more men politicians. There's more homeless

[01:30:16] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. And, and we wanna, we wanna blame, uh, the patriarchy for only for the benefits to men. Mm-hmm but it, it is probably responsible for all the fucking men that get tossed aside too. Well,

[01:30:33] Jeff Nesbitt: things, but I mean to generalize is, is ridiculous in the first place.

[01:30:46] CJ Hawkinson: a pig, majority of 'em. Yeah. I mean, I don't, I have no clue what the percentage is, but I

[01:30:55] According to Wikipedia and they referenced 2011 arrest data [01:31:00] from the FBI males constituted 98.9% of those arrested for forcible rape. 87.9% for robbery. 85% for burglary. 83% for arson. 81% for vandalism, 81% for motor vehicle theft, 79.7% for offenses against family and children. 77.8% of those arrested for aggravated assault. 58.7 for fraud, 57.3 for larceny and 51% for embezzlement.

[01:31:45] Jeff Nesbitt: It's high and

[01:31:50] Jeff Nesbitt: barbaric.

[01:31:55] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. Get 'em out, get 'em out, get 'em out. Yeah. Get it. Get a real job. [01:32:00]

[01:32:02] Jeff Nesbitt: Yep. Get a chainsaw and some overalls or whatever. Go fishing. Uh, no, I almost became an elementary school teacher. Yeah. I had the job.

[01:32:36] Yeah. It's like a bunch of four hour classes on, you know, urban poverty. Mm-hmm and yeah. So they don't really prepare you for the curriculum part of it at all. no, which makes me think that it's probably kind of

[01:33:03] To Ukraine, obviously there's terrible things going on over there. And I think we should support Ukraine, but how do we come up with all this money? But we can't help our actual education system in America.

[01:33:16] CJ Hawkinson: schools. I mean, we, if, if we can just pump out all this money, why don't we fix a lot of America's education system?

[01:33:33] CJ Hawkinson: Well, that's what it seems like. Right? Yeah. That's what they, they like what's going on and it seems like we don't want, they're getting richer.

[01:33:44] Sure.

[01:34:01] Why would they wanna solve homelessness? Yeah, they would, they would get rid of their job mainly. So there's an argument there that they really don't want to like get rid of all the homeless people because they'd work themselves out of a job

[01:34:23] Mm-hmm noxious weeds. So. No matter how hard I push. I actually do wanna eradicate the noxious weeds. You can't solve it. Yeah, because then I feel like my pro my job would be like, just super easy, just drive around and wave and like shake hands and take pats on my back and, and like, um, scare up the homeless out of the, out of the, underneath the bridges and stuff.

[01:34:48] CJ Hawkinson: do you think if you had a higher budget and more people on helping you, you could help solve the noxious weeds in the area?

[01:35:07] Can you

[01:35:09] Jeff Nesbitt: though? Yeah. Like that's why it takes money. Mm-hmm is because it's not a problem. It's like people go way too crazy with the term eradication. They sure. They think that everything's eradication that's term is seldom used in weed control control means control. It's hard to

[01:35:26] Jeff Nesbitt: the world, right?

[01:35:45] It's just like getting your use out of land. Mm-hmm like the, you figure out what you wanna do with this land, because stewardship can mean just taking good care of the land, but it might be something else.

[01:36:12] Mm-hmm but yeah, I, I don't know. I think stewardship is important, but it's, it's really complicated. And a lot of people don't seem to, uh, understand that people think that everything's so simple. It's

[01:36:29] Jeff Nesbitt: out up there, like timing your

[01:36:31] Yes. Yeah. Um, and I mean, it's, it's almost like a, a losing battle for me, like killing it for now. But you know, I read about the scotch B like their seeds can last for like how long, right. Like 50 years. So like the, the plants that were there who dropped their seeds previously, that seed bank is, is, is still there.

[01:37:04] Jeff Nesbitt: whatever, so the ground is, is just fucking loaded with nitrogen mm-hmm , um, in addition to the seeds. So those seeds will sit their dormant because they need a disturbance.

[01:37:35] Mm-hmm I haven't seen a ton of research on this, but this is just my basic understanding from watching a couple presentations. So I think that the reason it's so hard to establish plants after scotch bur infestation is because then the soil's fucked from the nitrogen throwing everything off mm-hmm and nitrogen's good for growing, but it's just out of balance.

[01:38:11] Mm-hmm but it, yeah, you have to re. Useful bacteria and the microbiome of the soil has to be healthy. Mm-hmm like the there's life in soil. It's not just one thing. Monocultures are, are death. Like it's, it's, it's the same as a, if you see a monoculture of some plant in a field, it's the same as a field of dirt.

[01:38:41] CJ Hawkinson: That's I, up there on that hill, I, I would like to clear a ways down and then replant everything, you know, with like fruit trees or stuff like that. Something to do, plant stuff you can eat. Yeah. I mean, well, I mean, what we would like to do is, you know, turn it into, call it a farm, turn it into [01:39:00] that and make Aaron go down and sell some apples or something at the Sunday market.

[01:39:27] Jeff Nesbitt: Hills are great for apple trees.

[01:39:31] CJ Hawkinson: steep. Um, you know, it drops. Oh, okay. Drops kind of down. Not bad. I mean, you, you can walk down the section pretty easily, but could you plant a tree on it? Oh yeah. Yeah. You could plant a tree. I always think about like a. Like maintenance, mowing. Yeah. Things like that, you know?

[01:39:50] Jeff Nesbitt: get yourself. One of those electric mowers just run it by itself. Like a Roomba. I need something. Have you seen those? Yeah. Like the steel makes one now. Yep. I saw it at [01:40:00] whatever. Clouds of power. Yeah. Just a great bear square runs around.

[01:40:17] CJ Hawkinson: Yeah. God, what was that guy's name? Rick Marinus Rick Morans.

[01:40:23] Ghostbusters? Yeah. Was he in Ghostbusters? Yeah. Oh yeah.

[01:40:31] Jeff Nesbitt: Ghostbusters. Right? He was like a, no one of the

[01:40:43] Jeff Nesbitt: I haven't seen the original Ghostbuster since the nineties. Really? Yeah. You should watch that. They're making a new one, right.

[01:40:54] Jeff Nesbitt: Uh, no, I mean, they're doing it with men. Oh really?

[01:41:03] I thought

[01:41:09] CJ Hawkinson: Was it, it was all the gals from Saturday and night live, right?

[01:41:22] And then yeah, no, it was her and she was really scared. Huh? That was bad. Making a new one. Uh, yeah, with the original guys, bill Murray. Oh really? And that Jewish guy and um, well

[01:41:46] What was his name? I think he's dead.

[01:41:52] CJ Hawkinson: There's Dan Aroy. He

[01:41:58] CJ Hawkinson: Uh, yeah, he does [01:42:00] make alcohol. Is it vodka or tequila?

[01:42:15] Oh, I remember I'm a soul man. I remember Ben firm and I would watch somehow I got my hands on VHS tapes, uh, that were recorded episodes of that and touched by an angel mixed together. And I'd watch 'em both. uh, that was definitely some Christian

[01:42:38] Jeff Nesbitt: seems I'm just Canadian.

[01:42:39] CJ Hawkinson: don't really know. Yeah, God, I'm trying to think of who that, uh, that guy was from Ghostbusters with the glasses.

[01:42:50] CJ Hawkinson: Yep. Pretty sure he's dead.

[01:42:59] CJ Hawkinson: kids. [01:43:00] They're good. I got two kids, two boys, Gabriel and Jude. And Gabe is gonna be three in December and June just turned one last, uh, June, um,

[01:43:16] CJ Hawkinson: You know, I'm a breeder. I mean, I, I think that's the scientific term,

[01:43:22] How did you do that part? Oh, the

[01:43:25] Jeff Nesbitt: You gotta read a lot of books. That's what I thought on, uh, different you like put ice on your balls or something? Yeah.

[01:43:34] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. You thinking about having anymore?

[01:43:39] Jeff Nesbitt: might get a hot pack. Is

[01:43:45] Jeff Nesbitt: Yep. Just straddle it and then just slowly lower 'em down.

[01:43:52] CJ Hawkinson: up

[01:43:57] CJ Hawkinson: are. Yeah. You know, not the best [01:44:00] looking things.

[01:44:23] Uh, like, well, sure. They just like, yeah, they want 'em to. You know, concentrated in the middle. Yeah. They don't like 'em to just like flow around. I love to just let 'em flow around, get a moving slow. 'em bounce around. Get 'em moving. Yeah. Well, which,

[01:44:39] Yeah.

[01:44:49] CJ Hawkinson: you started to stroke me. Yeah. Sorry about that. Can I have an ice cube please? Yeah.

[01:44:55] Oh, sorry.

[01:45:00] Jeff Nesbitt: water. We, we just hit two hours, but we better do some more. Okay. Just, you know?

[01:45:14] Jeff Nesbitt: Cast of Ghostbusters.

[01:45:19] CJ Hawkinson: Harold Ramis. That

[01:45:24] CJ Hawkinson: He died in 2014. He opened the sixth seal.

[01:45:39] CJ Hawkinson: Razor call. I'm calling about what happened in New York

[01:46:00] CJ Hawkinson: little taster.

[01:46:03] CJ Hawkinson: You gotta taste just a little,

[01:46:13] This is, uh,

[01:46:15] Jeff Nesbitt: Templeton. Templeton's yeah, definitely had to try that. He's my favorite character on Charlotte's web . I like the scene he does about candy and junk food. Yeah. I liked movies where they talk about food.

[01:46:33] Pull that

[01:46:36] CJ Hawkinson: a clip.

[01:46:51] CJ Hawkinson: how many hours do you put in.

[01:47:04] It's fun.

[01:47:08] Jeff Nesbitt: Growing up. Yeah. He's the one who first showed me that stuff. Uhhuh like we were making. Movies with him. Middle school. Do you

[01:47:21] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah, I do. I remember that. Well, I think he still has that.

[01:47:29] CJ Hawkinson: for himself. I know he likes that. I think I come out and pinch my nipples or something. I think so. Yeah.

[01:47:45] CJ Hawkinson: it was yeah.

[01:47:49] Jeff Nesbitt: right? Yeah. We did the star wars ninja right before that it was like the same year. Yeah. Also a

[01:47:57] Jeff Nesbitt: I think. So it was like early eye

[01:48:01] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. The max had all the

[01:48:04] Jeff Nesbitt: shit. Yeah. They had the shop there too, like places to hang out and go exploring and stuff that like yeah.

[01:48:13] Yeah. All right, man. Well, it's getting pretty late. Let's wrap this thing up. Okay. Oh, let's let's try that last whiskey though.

[01:48:23] Jeff Nesbitt: So what's this one. All right. The whistle pig. Oh, this is the one I was excited about. I've heard about this before old

[01:48:39] Jeff Nesbitt: Ooh, that smells good. Got a kick to it. It's really nice. Uh, how old is this? One? 12 year. 12 years. So has it been in the bottle for 12 year or was it in a cast for 12 years? It's probably in

[01:49:00] Jeff Nesbitt: Excellent. Yeah, Sawyer's still in Alaska. Mm-hmm he's up there for another week.

[01:49:19] CJ Hawkinson: when he is about ready to come home. Yeah.

[01:49:26] You and her. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:49:40] Jeff Nesbitt: not, I'm not even worried really, but

[01:49:44] Right. It would be way different. Yeah. He would be here he would have a totally different feeling about him going,

[01:49:58] So mm-hmm, , I, I [01:50:00] feel fine about that, but if it were anyone else, so I would be here. Mm-hmm um, so I, I kind of feel like, oh, I don't know. How old is he? 13. 13. Yeah. He is his second year. That's pretty cool. Yeah. It's now that he's a teenager. It really seems okay. Yeah. When he was 12, I was like, ah, I was, I, I hated it.

[01:50:19] CJ Hawkinson: is young. Yeah. Yeah. That's I did my first one when

[01:50:29] CJ Hawkinson: fun. I did. Yeah. Two in a trip for, I remember that it was like 22 or 23 days straight. Yeah.

[01:50:41] CJ Hawkinson: Oh, terrible.

[01:50:57] Jeff Nesbitt: on with a bun

[01:51:00] Jeff Nesbitt: sorry. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. Corn dogs, the Turkey ones.

[01:51:04] Jeff Nesbitt: were regular. I might have big, hot dog. I might have 'em in my

[01:51:15] Jeff Nesbitt: dogs and mustard. Yep. I used to eat a lot of corn dogs too. Um, so you're, you're eating all these corn dogs and not shitting.

[01:51:27] CJ Hawkinson: I was a 14, 14 year old, so I was pretty lazy also, but yeah. Wow. I mean just never had to shit. And I think, uh, I think I shit, three times out there and the third time was when I saw Cape disappointment on my way in your body was just like, oh

[01:51:47] CJ Hawkinson: I could see Lance.

[01:51:57] Jeff Nesbitt: the boat. Yeah. I know. I'm picturing you in a five gallon bucket. [01:52:00] It

[01:52:07] And it was a schooner style boat. So the cabin was in the back and the front deck was all up there. Why there, you know, that's a great question. There wasn't a whole lot of room in the back. Uh that's where we were fishing. Oh way. You know, so it was on the front, but right where you're shitting, whoever's running the boat's just like staring.

[01:52:26] Jeff Nesbitt: No wonder you couldn't shit. That, that was, that's actually dangerous situation. I

[01:52:45] And you'd be like, fuck, got a bunch of toilet paper on that line. I gotta clean that off. that

[01:53:03] CJ Hawkinson: Well, yeah, for a long time, like, I didn't like shitting anywhere other than my house.

[01:53:19] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh, no, I didn't

[01:53:26] Jeff Nesbitt: that was like 20 minutes away. I know. Well, Mike didn't care. Yeah. Take the whole period.

[01:53:33] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah, no, he didn't care. No. yeah. Why didn't he care? I mean,

[01:53:39] Jeff Nesbitt: it almost seemed like he knew he had no chance. He's like these kids aren't gonna fucking learn anything.

[01:53:43] CJ Hawkinson: think that's probably what he cared with. The kids who actually wanted to learn Spanish. Right.

[01:53:51] CJ Hawkinson: teacher. You, you had, uh, probably freshman Travis Ruter yeah. You had him early freshman, sophomore and I learned Spanish. Sure. Yeah.

[01:54:03] Jeff Nesbitt: I don't

[01:54:09] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. Damnit. I almost did a racist joke. it was a good one. Was

[01:54:17] Jeff Nesbitt: it out, right? No, no, I, I don't even say I'm in my head anymore. If I can help it. Oh, I just try not to think of him.

[01:54:33] CJ Hawkinson: Yeah. That's a good one. Yeah. The, the best worker at Ford electric, he's a

[01:54:44] I actually know them to be the hardest workers. That's I don't wanna stereotype, but, well, that is a stereotype that seems to be true.

[01:54:56] Jeff Nesbitt: Entitled a bunch of bitches.

[01:55:02] Yeah. Yeah. Where we live. I mean, Mexican guys, they do all the hard work. They really do. Yeah. Oyster beds. Uh, and they're way nicer. They're always happy.

[01:55:22] I admire people who can do that shit work and, and have a good attitude about it. Mm-hmm I, I am one of those people. Like I can go do that shit if I have to. And, or I have in my life, I don't do have to do that. Now. It would be Gastly is awful. I like,

[01:55:42] Jeff Nesbitt: I dug a ditch in front of my house. Uh, that took me like three days for fiber. Oh yeah. For fiber optics, Uhhuh. And I loved it. I enjoyed every minute of him digging that ditch. Great work. But I didn't wanna go do that

[01:55:54] Jeff Nesbitt: all. Yeah. And you get to just enjoy your work.

[01:56:14] And then I didn't read it. Mm-hmm cuz then in the art of archery was boring. Hmm that's that's just what it is. Yeah. Never read either. LASU no, that's the art of. Oh,

[01:56:30] Jeff Nesbitt: Did you read it? Never finished it. Well, you've already got it in your phone. It's very long. . It's so long.

[01:56:41] CJ Hawkinson: It's good to know though, right? Yeah. How much do you read? None.

[01:56:57] So now my good eye doesn't work as good as it used to. [01:57:00] And I've always had kind of shitty eyes cuz the muscu musculature of my eyes is fucked up Uhhuh and my eyes are weird shape so they don't bend light. Right? Hm. I got fucked up eyes, eyes. So they look normal. Thank you. Yeah, you look fine. Thanks. I appreciate that.

[01:57:36] CJ Hawkinson: having trouble talking.

[01:57:51] It's good. Which one's your favorite? This one? That one. Yeah. It's it's

[01:57:59] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh, [01:58:00] is it? Yeah. It tastes the best. Well, actually how much? Well that one's 50 bucks. Yeah. Most

[01:58:11] Jeff Nesbitt: Cuz I feel like, I think they're probably okay for alcohol.

[01:58:13] CJ Hawkinson: set. I feel like they're always like 20, 30 bucks more than Oregon. Really? Yeah. Um, I think that one's was 1

[01:58:30] CJ Hawkinson: it's uh, well if you get up into like over 10 year mm-hmm that's they start like creeping

[01:58:39] It definitely does. When you know that it's more money mm-hmm like already it just right away. It tastes better. Sure.

[01:58:50] CJ Hawkinson:

[01:58:57] Jeff Nesbitt: You never saw that one, like while he is having [01:59:00] the heart surgery? No, like after. Oh, did you ever see that?

[01:59:13] CJ Hawkinson: cute pictures, but I told you about Gabe though, right? Not really what happened to him? No. So he was born with like a heart defect mm-hmm and uh, so he had his first surgery, like he was born at like 2:00 AM, I wanna say.

[01:59:39] Jeff Nesbitt: So what does that mean?

[01:59:58] And so you don't send [02:00:00] oxygen around on the body. , so as first surgery was like, uh, they went in there and there's like little veins that close, um, right when you're born, they're open when you're in the womb and they help like, uh, circulate everything. And then when you're born, there's little tiny veins that close up.

[02:00:42] And so then they, so that

[02:00:47] CJ Hawkinson: chambers, just so the oxygen and everything can mix okay. For little bit longer. And they give 'em a drug too, that keeps some other veins open and that's

[02:00:57] CJ Hawkinson: Yeah. So like I was saying, he was born at 2:00 [02:01:00] AM.

[02:01:17] So these other little veins would stay open for a while. Some

[02:01:22] CJ Hawkinson: some kind of, yeah. Yeah. And, uh, then I wanna say we had a day with him and then the next day he had his main surgery where they, they cut both of those veins on his heart and they swap him and then there's some other little tiny veins.

[02:02:01] Wow. And you can imagine like a newborn's heart is. Like a size of a

[02:02:07] CJ Hawkinson: it's tiny, you know? Yeah. And I have no idea how these doctors do it. That's amazing. But, um, he had, so he was born with, um, TGA transposition of great arteries. And then he had that done right away. And then we're in Portland for, he had the surgery and we're in legacy Emanuel for, well it's, Randall's children's hospital was where we were for a week, I wanna say.

[02:02:58] Well, that [02:03:00] is like six month. They started noticing one of the valves was kinda leaking and it's mainly because of, uh, your, your pulmonary and your aorta are designed to perform under different pressures. Right. And, and so

[02:03:22] CJ Hawkinson: were made for a certain amount of pressure, but then you're swapping 'em to the other side.

[02:03:55] And so we go back again, but now he got the okay, where it's kind of gonna stay like the same. And [02:04:00] so now he is onto like once a year, he just has, has to go down there and have it checked out by his cardiologist and looked at. But, um,

[02:04:14] CJ Hawkinson: Exactly. Yeah. But I mean, there's nothing, um, that sounds terrifying, man. It, it was going through everything, but there's nothing from now on really that we should have to worry about, you know, they say he is allowed to, you know, play normal. He can do whatever he wants. There's no limitations. So how old is he right now?

[02:04:39] Jeff Nesbitt: God, that, that sounds like the most stressful thing ever. Cuz two year olds, two and a half year olds are stressful. No matter what. Yeah. They're, they're chaotic and they're always into everything and they're running all over the place. And gosh, I was, I was very stressed at that.

[02:05:09] CJ Hawkinson: your kids get COVID? I think so. We never actually like jammed the test up their nose. I tested our

[02:05:19] CJ Hawkinson: They had colds, you know mm-hmm but Aaron and I each had COVID and during that time,

[02:05:34] CJ Hawkinson: I would tell you that the one that got our family more than anything, we just had the flu.

[02:05:50] Jeff Nesbitt: yeah, yeah. For, we were gonna clear the

[02:05:56] And it knocked me down for like it's,

[02:06:02] CJ Hawkinson: And like the, the stomach throw up flu. The

[02:06:12] CJ Hawkinson: Yeah. For well into, I got to the toilet. I find

[02:06:18] CJ Hawkinson: It felt better, but I did it like. It was like a Sunday night and I did it for like, mm, three, four times that

[02:06:40] I was crying and coughing. Yeah, that sucks. That's not good. No, it was terrible. You gotta practice a lot to really be able to puke. Well,

[02:06:51] Jeff Nesbitt: gotta squeeze every last drop out of you.

[02:06:55] CJ Hawkinson: You do feel better after you get it out a little bit. Right? I always

[02:07:13] No,

[02:07:17] Jeff Nesbitt: Also, if, if I ate something was making me feel like trash. I, oh my God. I can't make up EMIA joke while I'm looking at

[02:07:31] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh my God. That poor kid, you and Aaron must have been insane. Uh,

[02:07:40] You,

[02:07:41] CJ Hawkinson: God. We did. Okay. We were, uh, So you had like your own room, you know, for like his recovery. And I, I think I was in that room for like four straight days. I never left. Yeah. And I slept

[02:07:58] CJ Hawkinson: at CMH, Aaron? No. [02:08:00] No. We were down at, uh, Randall's children's hospital in oh, in

[02:08:03] That's right. You already said that. Sorry. Yeah,

[02:08:08] she was in recovery for like one or two days upstairs at the same place? Yes. And

[02:08:16] CJ Hawkinson: hospital.

[02:08:41] She had to be close to like a, a

[02:08:48] CJ Hawkinson: or we actually, yeah, she, she had a checkup. I forget what it was. Maybe like six months, five months, something like that. Somewhere in there, there was like a major check checkup.[02:09:00]

[02:09:19] And I think what it, they call it like the candy cane. And so you see like the arch of the aorta and how I wanna say blood flow going through it, something like that. You can see it on the ultrasound. Yeah. Makes an arch. Yep. And he couldn't see it finish, I think, oh, in there. And so we got sent down to Vancouver to kinda like a sister bigger area that had, um, better machines.

[02:10:10] And then right after that, then they send you to go talk to therapist and to tell you about how the kid might have down syndrome and all the learning disabilities, genetic counselor. Yes. All of this other stuff. And it was like, bang, bang. And so then they're like, but we're going, none of them were cardiologists.

[02:10:50] And she told us what it was. Thank God. I know. Yeah. You know, that's what was kind of funny, cuz it was terrible. We got, still got diagnosed with a [02:11:00] severe heart condition and we were happy. Yeah. You know, like we, like, we went from that one over to talk to another like head nurse who like sees everything and telling us what to do.

[02:11:25] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. Conditions have improved. Yes. That's a door in the face technique. Yes.

[02:11:40] One of those, um, it was a great place. We, you know, donate money there. Um, she stayed there for a long time. Her mom came out and helped and then, uh, we had 'em there in legacy Emmanuel and then we got moved over to uh, Randall's children's [02:12:00] hospital and that's where they did all of his surgeries and then recovery.

[02:12:06] Jeff Nesbitt: Wow. So what was the recovery like?

[02:12:27] He couldn't open him. Um, and then he went to surgery and then we started seeing him open his eyes, you know, like a day or two afterwards. They started, you saw the picture like that was when he got back from surgery. He had drain tubes all over. He had a main, um, line into his neck

[02:12:48] Like, did you get a hold him yet or at this point? No. Did

[02:13:11] And then they took him from the NICU did surgery. Um, I wouldn't say the surgery was like maybe like five hours, something like that. And then we, we went from the NICU to the PICU. And then he was so what's that he was up there. Pediatric, I would say. Okay. Intensive care unit instead of like Neo I think Neo intensive care unit.

[02:13:52] Jeff Nesbitt: was like triage, more like triage

[02:13:58] Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um, [02:14:00] and those nurses are like top notch when it comes to childcare, I think. Um, but yeah. Then we were after his surgery, we were there for a week and they released us. So he like, cause he did so well, he improved very quickly. Wow. And, uh, got to a certain point and they're like, you do the car seat test.

[02:14:22] Jeff Nesbitt: maybe, but

[02:14:37] Yeah, no, we had to do that and we were almost like he was crying in the car seat, you know? And so like babies, when they cry, they stopped breathing. And so like his oxygen levels going down, we're like, no, no. And so I'd blow in his face. And then, so we take a breath, he stopped crying for a second.

[02:14:57] CJ Hawkinson: breathing yeah.

[02:15:11] Jeff Nesbitt: we passed. Yeah. Well good and went home. Wow. That must have been so stressful.

[02:15:25] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. So you were prepared. Yeah.

[02:15:32] Jeff Nesbitt: through it that way. Amelia was a bit jaundice when uh, when she was born.

[02:15:55] CJ Hawkinson: there's Gabe when he first came out.

[02:16:09] Jeff Nesbitt: even survive in the womb umbilical cord? So they live through mom. Oh. And then they're basically holding their breath until they get fixed.

[02:16:19] Jeff Nesbitt: I know once that's clipped though, they're just like trying to

[02:16:42] Oh, they close

[02:16:43] CJ Hawkinson: of time. You have a little bit of time, but there's people born with like transposition who live with it for like a long time. But a lot of 'em have that, that whole hole

[02:16:58] My mom has a hole in her [02:17:00] heart. Yeah. Wow. So crazy. Yeah. Wow. Thank you for telling that story. That was really good. I, I, that, yeah.

[02:17:13] Jeff Nesbitt: detail. Yeah. Uh that's God. So how are you? Are, are you traumatized by all that? Or are you like, no. How about your, how about your kid is Gabe?

[02:17:24] CJ Hawkinson: all. Huh? He's got a. They call him like a zipper, you know, Uhhuh. So he takes his shirt off, up through his chest. You can see where they opened him up. That'll just be what his body always looked like. Yeah. He has no clue. How about Aaron? Um, she's good. You know, I don't think, uh, she's traumatized at all by it.

[02:17:45] Jeff Nesbitt: processed it and you're through it. Once we

[02:17:57] Jeff Nesbitt: that one.

[02:18:03] CJ Hawkinson: kids? Yeah. Um it's yeah. Um, yeah, I think we, we will,

[02:18:10] CJ Hawkinson: She's good. I would say right now, but also she would, you know, she'd probably

[02:18:16] Did she plan on having a bunch of kids? Seems like a lot of people who come from huge families are like, two's

[02:18:38] You go to St Mary's. Yep. When she's, uh, in Ohio and stuff like that, she'll do church with the family and everything like that when we go more. Um,

[02:18:53] CJ Hawkinson: Well, church is, I mean, It doesn't matter how you really feel. Church is actually a good, a good thing for you to get [02:19:00] out there and just, yeah.

[02:19:02] Jeff Nesbitt: It's good for you. Yeah. And it feels good. You feel it when you're there

[02:19:08] Jeff Nesbitt: most people? Yeah. I like church. Like I like going to church Uhhuh. I don't love the church, like the, as the institution, but I like going to church. Mm-hmm , I've always, um, not always when I was a kid, I fucking hated it.

[02:19:26] CJ Hawkinson: I, the very first church I ever went to

[02:19:31] CJ Hawkinson: My parents were not church people.

[02:19:34] CJ Hawkinson: ass church. I went there and I remember, you know how I, I remember how I got to your church, Pam. It, no, it wasn't Pam.

[02:19:50] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. The sports boosters or the, or the

[02:19:58] And I stopped there because they had [02:20:00] something for free probably. And I talked to him, some guy and he got my name somehow where, where I lived and Pam got a hold of me, Uhhuh, and then Pam brought me there. Yeah.

[02:20:14] CJ Hawkinson: Yeah, I remember, uh, Did I tell you how I would mow Pam's yard?

[02:20:21] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. I got in on that

[02:20:26] Jeff Nesbitt: funny story. So didn't she fire you cuz you were trying to charge too much. And then she called in me as a scab. Yeah. And then I couldn't do it. I was like, I can't do this for $10 PAMs. It's like, it's a huge

[02:20:43] Jeff Nesbitt: it.

[02:20:45] CJ Hawkinson: 10. Yeah. It wasn't a lot. And uh, she, I mowed it and she's like, no, if you didn't do that good of a job, I'm only gonna pay you this amount. I was like, oh, alright. And then she called me to mower yard. I'm like, Pam, I'm not mowing your [02:21:00] yard. You didn't pay me my full amount.

[02:21:02] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. She called, she hired me and then

[02:21:05] Jeff Nesbitt: crawling back. I couldn't finish it. I was just like, this is not, this is not in my best interest. I'm not finishing this. And it was really hard. There's tons of bushes. I'm trying to mow around and she wants me to like mow under the bushes.

[02:21:23] CJ Hawkinson: Pam what he is owed yep. All Pam. And then you, then you guys ended

[02:21:40] Um, what was I gonna say? Oh yeah. Remember when Pam got us to be, uh, team leaders at vacation Bible school. Yeah. yes, I do. Well, what a fun adventure that was for those kids

[02:21:54] Jeff Nesbitt: Remember the potato fight we had? Yes. That was an epic chunks of

[02:21:59] Jeff Nesbitt: where did [02:22:00] we even get that bag of potatoes?

[02:22:07] Marker murderer bob

[02:22:14] Jeff Nesbitt: you remember Bob? Bob fucking hated me. He was my nemesis. You know

[02:22:27] I

[02:22:31] CJ Hawkinson: him. Oh, you did

[02:22:34] CJ Hawkinson: that. Yeah. And so when I started at Ford electric, I would have to work with him and he was the biggest douche bag ever. I hated him. Yeah. Fuck

[02:22:48] Never talk to me. He thought I was a door slammer and I was . Okay. So backstory, Bob, Pam had this house. We rented the house from Pam. Pam had. [02:23:00] Tenant living in the mother-in-law apartment, above the garage, he was part of the deal. So he came with the house. I lived in the garage, It

[02:23:12] Jeff Nesbitt: no, there was rats out there. .

[02:23:15] Jeff Nesbitt: but it was a room. And I did appreciate it for that and, um, but yeah, so I would be in and out all hours of the night, I was also smoking weed at the time I had just started smoking weed. And so I was having to sneak in and out of the house a lot.

[02:23:46] like he was a douche bag. Total douche bag. Ended up killing a lady two,

[02:23:59] Jeff Nesbitt: I don't really [02:24:00] know exactly what happened. I just knew that he fucking ended up murdering people. He and I regretted being his nemesis. Yeah. He

[02:24:13] Jeff Nesbitt: One of our teachers was, uh, dating him for many years, I believe.

[02:24:24] Jeff Nesbitt: I, I don't know her very well anymore, but I, you know, she's okay. Yeah.

[02:24:36] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh, I didn't know that either. Yeah. He killed himself. I thought he, he was in prison. No, he killed himself.

[02:24:59] After you guys lived [02:25:00] there after he wasn't at Ford electric anymore, he got laid off. I forget what he was doing, but this other gal who was having an episode or whatever, it was, the theory took a gun and shut the door and locked herself in the bathroom and shot herself in the stomach.

[02:25:24] CJ Hawkinson: Not usually. And she died from her wounds. Well then down the road, you know, they, they never questioned Bob or anything like that. Down the road. Bob ends up being down in Vancouver, killing that gout and shooting her in the stomach.

[02:25:44] CJ Hawkinson: What same kind of thing. And then he shot himself.

[02:25:52] Jeff Nesbitt: killed that doubt what he killed. People like that. For what a mean way to kill somebody?

[02:26:02] Jeff Nesbitt: That's a very generous assumption.

[02:26:08] Jeff Nesbitt: very, very painful way to die.

[02:26:11] CJ Hawkinson: Just bleeding asshole bleeding internally. And, uh, he was just a bipolar, like off his meds all the time. Piece of shit. Wow.

[02:26:30] CJ Hawkinson: He, he could've got you. What if he would've murdered me slamming that door?

[02:26:52] CJ Hawkinson: yeah. Well, I think he hated a lot of people.

[02:27:04] CJ Hawkinson: hated Jake more than you. Well, why

[02:27:09] CJ Hawkinson: louder. Jake. Jake has no problem. He's a louder one. He, he would have no problem being way louder.

[02:27:27] CJ Hawkinson: I remember. Well, you would pick me up for school for a long time, right? Yeah. I was always late. I'd be like sleeping in bed usually.

[02:27:38] Jeff Nesbitt: I did wake you up outta

[02:27:46] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. You picked me up for a while and you picked up Jake for a while and that green S

[02:27:53] Mm-hmm . Yep. And then I drive as fast as I could to school.

[02:28:10] Me too. Were you with me? When I was like, oh, I'm just gonna bump 'em and then I, who was that? Ramed somebody

[02:28:19] Jeff Nesbitt: Wasn't it? Yeah. Off Sid Snider. Yeah. Um, I don't remember the guy's actual name, but everyone was calling him gopher at the time. Oh. Or weasel? Yeah.

[02:28:27] CJ Hawkinson: mammal didn't he work at the tire hut. I

[02:28:32] CJ Hawkinson: go-kart I think he was the same guy. That's the type same guy. that's the time

[02:28:43] Lambert spit on the truck from the passenger side of that. Weel guy's name on him. Yeah. And then I was like, ah, I'm just gonna bump him. Yeah. Just, you know, let him know what's going on. Ruffles feathers, give him a little bump. And uh, he, then he slammed on his brakes and I fucking rammed him off the road.[02:29:00]

[02:29:16] CJ Hawkinson: yeah, that truck went all over the

[02:29:19] It did all blew Ford. I drove that truck into the ground.

[02:29:25] Jeff Nesbitt: I bought it from my dad. Oh, your dad? Yeah. He bought it for my grandpa. Yeah. And he bought it from Tom downer. Who owns Jack's country store. Mm-hmm used to tow horse trailers with it, I think. Really? Yeah. Tom's still kicking still up there running Jack's I see him in there.

[02:29:45] Jeff Nesbitt: and then you ever find anything crazy back up in there? That's an old place. No,

[02:29:54] Jeff Nesbitt: know, I know that. It's very cool. I found a box up there that said fluffy resides here in it, on in it, um, on [02:30:00] it in, it was a rat, the size of a small cat, really like, uh, I mean maybe not a small cat, a large cat, even Uhhuh, giant fucking rat, like a nutrient all dried it out.

[02:30:22] CJ Hawkinson: Willard,

[02:30:26] CJ Hawkinson: Oh yes. Yeah. I remember. And did I watch Willard with you? You might have he, uh, God, what was that guy?

[02:30:40] Jeff Nesbitt: And he was the dad. He was that on, um, back to the future.

[02:30:47] Jeff Nesbitt: the same guy in the past. Oh really? Yeah.

[02:30:54] Yeah. And he could, uh, how the fuck do I know that guy's name talk? I have no idea how you know [02:31:00] that guy's name weird. Hmm.

[02:31:05] Thank you for coming. Thanks this having this is fun. I don't know if we talked about anything people wanna listen to, but I enjoyed myself.

[02:31:13] Jeff Nesbitt: about. I don't even know. Yeah. But thank you for coming. Thank you everybody for listening.