Luke Kemp rejoins me to discuss the second part of Goliath's Curse, "Imperial March and Fall." Luke and I start off talking about why empires and states are actually the same thing, and move from there to various ways that people justify imperial politics, what it's like to be anti-empire when surrounded by defenders of empire, and how we can try to get the machine of empire to stop.

Here's the link to buy the book: https://flyleafbooks.com/book/9780593321355

And here are Luke's previous appearances on the podcast:

https://www.everydayanarchism.com/166-goliaths-curse-luke-kemp/

https://www.everydayanarchism.com/146-james-c-scotts-two-cheers-for-anarchism-luke-kemp/

https://player.captivate.fm/episode/2c8105f0-611f-4545-b632-e868e5039840/