Soy sauce. So many of us in North America grew up thinking it was one thing when in fact it's a big category of things. Yes, mostly related. But the array of soy sauces offers a big difference in flavors and even textures.

Join us, Bruce Weinstein & Mark Scarbrough, veteran cookbook authors who have written three dozen cookbooks. This podcast is all about our passion: food and cooking. Thanks for joining us.

Here are the segments for this episode of COOKING WITH BRUCE & MARK:

[01:07] Our one-minute cooking tip: Store opened soy sauce in the fridge.

[03:25] Japanese, Chinese, and Korean soy sauces: what types are there, what are their differences, and why should you have more than one in your pantry?

[21:13] What’s making us happy in food this week: pho and the Ithaca NY farmers' market.

Hey, I'm Bruce Weinstein and this is the Podcast

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Cooking with Bruce and Mark.

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And I'm Mark Scrubber, and together

with Bruce, we have published 36

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cookbooks are about to publish

our 37th cold canning this summer.

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We've talked about that

already on this podcast.

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Our obsession with.

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Food and cooking, which is this podcast,

I guess we have other obsessions.

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Mm-hmm.

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Bruce has a knitting obsession,

including online knitting

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workshops and knitting books.

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He's published and Mark

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is obsessed with Dante and

other poets and writers.

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Mark: I am.

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I have.

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Podcasts all about Dante and the

divine comedy, but that's not this.

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This is all about food and cooking.

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So as usual, we got a

one minute cooking tip.

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It's about soy sauce.

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And then we're gonna have a big

segment, our central segment

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about the various kinds of soy

sauce traditionally that are out.

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But you didn't

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Bruce: know there were that

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Mark: many.

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No.

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As a kid that grew up in suburban Dallas,

I thought soy sauce came in a plastic

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package that you ripped open at the table.

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So what do I know?

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Nothing.

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And then we'll tell you what's

making us happy in food this week.

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So let's get started.

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Bruce: Our one minute cooking tip,

store your soy sauce like you do

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olive oil, because what destroys

it is the same heat and light.

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Keep it in a dark cool place and

once opened, unless you'll use it all

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within a month, keep it in the fridge.

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Okay, so that's

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Mark: not like olive oil.

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I don't mean to correct

you, but That's right.

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You don't put olive oil in the fridge.

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Well,

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Bruce: sometimes you might want

to, if you're not gonna use it all

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right away, it could get gross.

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Oh, come on.

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You don't put olive oil in the fridge.

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I, no, but you wanna keep it away

from heat and light, that's for sure.

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And most people don't realize you should

put it in the fridge, the soy sauce,

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if you're not gonna use it in a month.

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Mark: See, I, I think that that was

a great example of us because, uh,

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the chef paints with a broad stroke

and the writer gets very obsessed

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with the tiny little details.

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Bruce: But most people don't know that you

should keep the soy sauce in the fridge.

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Right.

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If you're not gonna use it in a month.

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Right.

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Mark: That is true.

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And uh, I think, I've also

heard told from Asian chefs

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that cold soy sauce is no good.

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Mm-hmm.

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That it, well, I don't

wanna say it's no good.

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It needs to come back to room

temperature to have its full set

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Bruce: of flavors.

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That's true.

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And I actually do take it out

of the fridge, uh, before we.

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Eat with it.

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If I'm cooking with it, it's fine

outta the fridge, but if you're

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using it as a dip or a condiment

or putting it on raw fish, right?

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Yes, it should come out out of the

fridge and it should be at room temp,

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Mark: right?

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So anyway, store it in the

fridge for the best access.

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But before we get to the next

segment of the podcast, which

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is gonna be all about soy sauce.

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Lemme say that we have a TikTok

channel and an Instagram reels

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channel and a Facebook group all

called Cooking with Bruce and Mark.

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Probably the biggest of those at this

point is the TikTok channel, so, oh, yeah.

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If you're on TikTok, join us

at cooking with Bruce and Mark.

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We've got all kinds of cooking videos.

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We're making lots of jams and things

to do with jams, but these, uh, videos

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appear on Instagram and Facebook.

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Two under the groups

cooking with Bruce and Mark.

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Aren't we clever?

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We named it all the same thing.

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I know.

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Crazy.

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So up next, our discussion of soy

sauce, we're gonna have a focus

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on, let's say, three different

kind of national types of soy sauce

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and the variations inside of them.

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We're gonna talk about what

soy sauce is, the whole McGill.

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So here we go.

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Bruce: There are many different

kinds of soy sauces and

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most people don't know that.

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Right?

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You'd think No soy sauce is soy sauce.

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Soy sauce.

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Like I say,

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Mark: no.

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When I was a kid and you went

to the Chinese restaurant, it

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came in a little plastic packet.

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You tore them open.

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Exactly.

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Bruce: That's all I knew.

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Yeah.

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But basically all soy

sauce start as soybeans.

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They're sometimes mixed

with roasted wheat.

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They've got mold or.

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Bacteria mixed into them

and then they're fermented.

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And the fermentation process can take

anywhere from three months to 10 years,

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which is why some soy sauces 10 years.

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Yeah.

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That's why some soy sauces can cost

like, you know, a hundred dollars

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an ounce and others are 10 years,

you know, 99 cents for a quart.

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Right.

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So we're gonna talk about

Japanese soy sauces.

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We're gonna talk about Chinese

soy sauces, and we're gonna

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talk about Korean soy sauces.

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Mark: And I just wanna say when

we get started here, before we get

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started, we've got these three.

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Basic types of soy sauces that we're

gonna talk about, but there are others.

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There are Taiwanese soy sauces,

there are other soy sauces.

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Besides these, we've just chosen

to focus on these as three big kind

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of culinary national categories of

soy sauce, so Japanese soy sauce.

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I think most of us

probably know, it, even if.

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Like me, we grew up going to

suburban Dallas, Chinese restaurants.

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Mm-hmm.

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It's the Japanese soy

sauce that is at the table.

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Bruce: Yeah.

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Koman is like the brand

that is usually right.

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And it's funny, that is a Japanese

brand, but that was the one that

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was always even on the Chinese

restaurant tables, it was Kiko always.

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And the one that you get there

in the restaurants, that's their.

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Dark soy sauce and Japanese dark soy sauce

is the traditional soy sauce that you

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think of using when you dip sushi into it.

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When you think of those old

Chinese restaurants, I have to

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Mark: say that I, this is the thing that

I still go back to, despite all of the

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variations of soy sauce that we talk

about, if I'm going to put soy sauce in

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anything, this is the soy sauce I use, and

Bruce uses all kinds of fancy soy sauce.

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Mm-hmm.

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I love fancy and I don't.

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Because I think it's a childhood thing.

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It's like when you grew up with

something and you loved it as a kid.

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Uh, Bruce claims that when I put

soy sauce and now I'm gonna offend

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every Asian that could possibly exist

in the whole history of the world.

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When I put soy sauce

on rice, don't kill me.

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When I put it on rice, Bruce

claims I actually make soup.

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Bruce: Oh, he does?

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He just has, it's like

breakfast cereal and milk.

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It's rice and soy sauce for him and.

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At least if you're doing that, go to

the Japanese light soy sauce, which

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most people don't even know about.

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It's no, I'm

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Mark: gonna stick with Koman.

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But now you can talk

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Bruce: about Japanese light soy

sauce, and Well, here's the thing,

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the koman, they're not usually labeled

dark, they're just labeled soy sauce.

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So it's a category

distinction that's rarely.

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Even labeled on mass market brands,

you have to go to artisanal,

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at least in North America.

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Yeah, you have to go to artisanal

brands here in the US if you

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want to find this distinction.

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And you'll see things called

Japanese light, soy sauce.

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It's much thinner than the traditional.

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Yeah, and don't take light as in calories.

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This

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Mark: doesn't have anything to do with.

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Calories.

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Well, I know, but it's a thing.

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We run the view once and I was

making peanut butter and I used light

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corn syrup and what was her name?

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Starch Star Jones.

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Yeah.

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Remember Star Jones?

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Star Jones was like, oh yeah,

we love to save those calories.

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I was like, uh, light corn syrup

doesn't save you any calories,

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Bruce: but okay, good Goode.

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And quite honestly, in Japanese

light soy sauce, you're not

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gonna save sodium either.

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'cause that is a very salty flavor, but

it also has a slight sweetness and that's

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'cause they often add things like mirin

or corn syrup you just talked about.

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There you go.

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Usually it's used as a soup seasoning.

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I've seen it labeled as soup

soy sauce, which when we get

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to the Korean soy sauces, they

have a whole category of that.

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Mark: Okay.

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Why would I go to an Asian

market and buy Japanese light soy

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Bruce: sauce?

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Let's say you wanted to use

it as a seasoning and a broth.

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If you were making even Jewish chicken

soup and you wanted to throw some noodles

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in it and some Asian greens in it,

and season it with a little soy sauce,

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you get the light Japanese soy sauce.

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Okay,

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Mark: so talk about that for a minute

because I think a lot of people don't

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know about using light soy sauce.

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In this case, the Japanese light soy sauce

as a seasoning in stews rather than salt.

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Bruce: Think about this,

that salt is an enhancer.

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We've talked about that before.

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But soy sauce is a seasoning.

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It's a flavor.

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It will add some salt, but it's

gonna add a lot of other characters.

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Mark: So name me a dish that you

would add Japanese light soy sauce to

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that you might not normally think of.

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Adding soy sauce to.

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Bruce: I can imagine putting

a little Japanese light soy

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sauce in my hummus, right?

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Wallet's going around

in the food processor.

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Wow.

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I want that.

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That would give it a little saltiness.

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It would give it some umami punch.

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It's got a little sweetness.

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It would really give it a

nice little punch there.

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I can imagine.

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Putting it into ground beef

before I make hamburgers.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Right, because it's going to

give me all those other flavors.

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It's not just the hit of soy

flavor that the dark soy sauce.

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I'm backed with the hummus.

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Um,

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Mark: I think I want to try hummus with

some light Japanese soy sauce in it.

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Bruce: Okay.

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I think I'm gonna have to

make you some for lunch later.

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Mark: Yeah, I know.

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That sounds really good.

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So there is a, a separate

category here that's a little

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bit different and that is Tamari.

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And you may know Tamari because you may

have gluten issues or know of family

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members or friends with gluten issues.

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And if you ever serving any kind of Asian

food, they may have told you to get tamari

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or you may have gone and get mm-hmm.

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Gotten tamari for them.

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But Tamari is essentially soy sauce,

but it's made without the wheat.

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Bruce: This is true.

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It is.

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It is a soy sauce where the soybeans

are cooked and then fermented, but

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there's no wheat added, so it's

not as sweet as other soy sauces.

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Mark: Let me just say, if you do have

celiac, you should make sure that

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your tamari is certified gluten-free.

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Mm-hmm.

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Some tamari is made or

bottled in facilities where.

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Other soy sauces are bottled

and there may be wheat residue.

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you're really conscious of it, make sure

it is in fact gluten's free certified.

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Bruce: And

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there's a fourth category actually

of soy sauce out of Japan, and it's

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almost impossible to find it in

the us and that's white soy sauce.

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And it's not white.

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It doesn't look like glue.

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It doesn't look like milk,

and it's just very, very pale.

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It can look like tea and it's

made from a high ratio of wheat to

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Mark: soy.

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So, wait, I just wanna stop

and say, so this is definitely

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not after Tamari gluten-free.

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No, this is not, this is, this

is a high wheat soy sauce.

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Mm-hmm.

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And, uh, again, as Bruce says, it's

almost impossible to find this.

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I mean, you might.

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Be able to go to a really high-end,

large Asian grocery store, or even

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like H Mart and find this, but it's

very hard to find in North America.

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Bruce: You might also be offered it if you

go to a very expensive sashimi restaurant

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or a sushi restaurant because you know,

super high-end sushi chefs don't want

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you destroying the flavor of the fish.

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They carved with regular soy sauce.

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So they might offer you this

white soy sauce, but we don't go

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to those kind of restaurants, so.

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I've never been offered it.

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Mark: No, we do not go to those kind of

restaurants and, uh, I, I, I don't know.

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I've never even tried this kind

of soy, so, so there we go.

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There you go.

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So that's an academic exercise for us.

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Let's move on to that.

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Chinese varieties.

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Mm-hmm.

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And this is a very broad

brush of Chinese varieties.

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Mm-hmm.

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Uh, I believe that many Chinese

chefs would knock us crazy for this

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because there is not just light

and dark, but we're gonna divide.

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We are the Chinese world into

light and dark soy sauce and

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Bruce: light and dark

Chinese soy sauce are the.

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Opposite of what Japanese light,

this is where it gets dark.

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Soy

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Mark: sauce are gets crazy.

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Bruce: Yeah.

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Light Chinese soy sauce

is the everyday soy sauce.

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It's the thing you put for dipping sauces.

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You could dip dumplings, but

it's also the cooking sauce.

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It is the equivalent.

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If Japanese dark is Chinese light and

it, it most resembles that, uh, so

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Mark: give some brands of

light soy sauce, right.

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Chinese?

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Well,

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Bruce: I love Pearl River Bridge.

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That of course is my absolute favorite.

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Okay.

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Um, Chinese soy sauce maker

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la Choy would be a

light Chinese soy sauce.

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Mark: Okay.

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And why would I have this at home?

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Bruce: This would be your

go-to everyday soy sauce.

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This is a soy sauce.

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No, that's koman, but okay, go on.

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That's for you.

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That's Koman.

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I like my Pearl River bridge.

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And you like

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Mark: your koman?

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I do.

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I can't help it.

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I like my Kiko, so.

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Okay.

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That's the light stuff.

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Mm-hmm.

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I'm trying to, and then there is the.

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Dark Chinese soy sauce and this

stuff is again, um, it is viscous.

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Bruce: It is, it's thick, it's

syrupy almost, and it's the

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addition of sugar or molasses.

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It is actually not quite as

salty, even as the light one

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and you think, oh, it's darker.

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It's gonna have a bigger flavor.

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It does have a bigger soy

flavor, but not saltier..

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It's used almost exclusively in

cooking, and it's often used as

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a coloring agent because a few

teaspoons of this will give a dish.

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Dish.

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Oh.

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Like my mother's kitchen bouquet.

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A kitchen bouquet.

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Yep.

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Your mother claims once she found that

she never browned a piece of meat again.

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No.

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I'd rather never browned a piece of meat.

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She

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Mark: gRED meat.

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Bruce: Well, you don't need to

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Mark: mark.

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Bruce: We have kitchen

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Mark: bouquet.

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Yes, exactly.

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Bruce: Caramel coloring.

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Mark: Oh, um, okay.

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So Chinese dark sausage

is not really a condiment.

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It's a cooking ingredient.

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It's an ingredient, absolutely.

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And it darkens Chinese bras.

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Mm-hmm.

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Like red cooking bras.

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Yep.

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Et cetera.

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And I have to say that when I've

tried these, 'cause of course Bruce

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has many of these in our pantry,

I do not like the taste of dark.

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So Chinese dark soy sauce on its own.

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Mm-hmm.

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It's too sweet.

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Yeah.

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But.

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That said, I know it's in a great deal

of the Chinese bras that Bruce makes.

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Bruce: Yeah.

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I buy the big bottles of it.

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I use it in everything.

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It is a secret ingredient.

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I have put it into French

beef stews sometimes.

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Mm-hmm.

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When I've wanted a slightly darker color.

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Okay.

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'cause you know, and rather than reach

for a kitchen bouquet, I mean it is.

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Right.

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Let's just call it

Chinese kitchen bouquet.

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Right.

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And there you go.

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Mark: Isn't, don't, don't.

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I know that Chinese dark, so

sauce is sometimes used in as a

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few drops in compound butters.

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Don't I know this?

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Oh, what a great

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Bruce: idea.

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Yeah.

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That it's

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Mark: using compound butters

with like ginger, like mint

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ginger to make a ginger butter.

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Bruce: Oh, lovely.

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Yes.

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And it would give it a lovely color too.

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That's a great thing.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Mark: I think that that it's, it's

a very esoteric product and yes, we

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do a lot of Asian cooking while we.

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Ba Bruce does a lot of Asian

cooking and, um, we have lots of

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this stuff, but I would say this

is more esoteric of all of 'em.

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So having then talked about Chinese

soy sauces, let's do a complete and,

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uh, overly cursory look at Korean

soy sauces and Korean sauces or Kang.

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They're very difficult to, for,

uh, north American to figure out.

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Yeah.

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Bruce: First of all, you're going to

have to go to an Asian grocery store.

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They're not going to be in your

supermarket, and you're probably gonna

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need to go to a Korean grocery store,

like an H Mart, as Mark said earlier.

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Mark: And if you're looking for an

interesting take on soy sauce, Korean

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soy sauces are a good place to start.

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And there are essentially

three different varieties.

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And there's a ong or a soy sauce that is.

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Called sometimes a soup soy sauce.

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Yeah, so why don't you talk about

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Bruce: that.

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Well, the soup soy sauce is very similar

to the Japanese light soy sauce in

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that it's a little thinner, a little

lighter tasting, a little lighter

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in color, except no wheat, right?

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Right.

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It's closer to the tamari in that it

is not made with wheat when, but you

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have to check the bottles, please.

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And then there's a different kind

of Jiang, which is made with wheat,

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, closer to a standard Japanese.

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Dark or a Chinese light soy sauce that's

gonna have your soybeans and your wheat.

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So, the three bottles that I.

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Always have on hand is going to be

a Japanese dark soy sauce, a Chinese

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light soy sauce, and this Y Joe

Jiang, which is the regular non Y.

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Mark: Okay, well,

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Bruce: you speak Korean, but No,

I don't, I don't, I just know

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Mark: about

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Bruce: those long vowels in Korean Y.

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But that's the, that's

the Korean soy sauce.

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That is not the soup soy sauce,

the traditional soy sauce.

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Yeah, and it, why

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Mark: would I have that on hand?

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Why would I have that in my pantry?

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Bruce: You would have that because

you like to try new things because

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it has a slightly different flavor

profile than the other soy sauces.

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It's a slightly sweeter flavor.

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Okay.

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Than the Japanese dark.

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Okay.

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And also to me, it has an

herbally quality, even a.

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Peppery quality that I like.

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That goes really nice with the standard

Korean flavors of sesame and scallion.

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So lot of black, so pepper.

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Mark: I mean, why would

I have this around?

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Why would have the Y zj around you

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Bruce: If you want, make some stir

fried sweet potato noodles called if

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you're going to make some bulgogi.

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And again.

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Don't write in and complain

about my Korean pronunciation.

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If you're gonna make a beam bap, if

you're going to try your hand at Korean

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barbecue, you definitely want to try

using an authentic Korean soy sauce

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to, to really get the full experience.

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Mark: And now, and now you're

really hearing the process

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of writing cookbooks for us.

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Okay, so now you've done all of that.

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Now tell me, if I didn't

wanna make Korean food, why

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Bruce: would I have that around?

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You might wanna try drizzling it over

some scrambled eggs or an omelet.

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Okay?

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I think that's a lovely thing you Mark

can try making your rice soy sauce

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soup out of that and see what you

think, especially if you use a nice

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Korean rice or rice and grain blend.

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What about

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Mark: for barbecue marinades?

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Bruce: A little bit of this soy sauce

in any existing barbecue marinade

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you already make, whether it's,

an oil and vinegar base, whether

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it's a, an American Southwest rub,

whether it's a Middle Eastern or

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even a Mediterranean flavor profile.

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A little bit of this.

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Korean soy sauce will

give it a depth of flavor.

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You won't forget.

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Mark: And there's one other, uh,

Korean soy sauce you can find.

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And it's chemically produced.

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Yeah, it's j and it's, um, it's okay.

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Mm-hmm.

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It's, I would say it's not my favorite.

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Bruce: No.

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I would say avoid it if you can.

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So look at the ingredients if it's

made with hydrolyzed soy proteins.

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Um, okay.

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So

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Mark: I, what I just wanna say is that

what you just watched happen or listened

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to happen is basically our process of

writing cookbooks, because Bruce gets.

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All up in the culinary and theoretical

bits, and I, as the writer, keep

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pushing it back to what does a person

do in their everyday kitchen with this?

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And honestly, that whole thing as we

were recording, it felt like writing

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a cookbook for us because it felt like

Bruce is up here in the stratosphere

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somewhere in culinary technique and

chef language, and I keep saying, okay.

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And, sorry, this is always my example.

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What would your sister or my friend in

Dallas, Debbie, who I know is listening

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to this podcast or my friends here in

Connecticut, what would they do with this?

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And this is.

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Always my question, while writing

cookbooks, it comes up a thousand times.

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Why would your sister buy this?

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And it it, it's part of the whole process

of how we actually craft a book out.

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Bruce: It is, I wish you'd asked

me why my mother would buy it,

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because that's much easier.

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My mother loves to just explore new foods.

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Well, no, she loves

going down the aisles of.

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More than trying new things.

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Mark: No, I'm not interested in

that because I wanna know more

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about, you know, just a person

going to work and coming home.

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Where are they gonna want

this in their pantry?

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And why are they gonna wanna do this?

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And of course, Bruce loves it because

it's interesting and theoretical and

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it's an experiment and taste and all

this stuff, which is what chefs do.

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Mm-hmm.

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But as the writer, it is my.

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Job to pull this thing back

toward the North American

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marketplace and the UK marketplace.

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So I'm constantly asking, what

does this do for the average

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commuter driving home from work?

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Bruce: Yeah.

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Mark always asks me, why did you

pick that jar out of the pantry?

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'cause if I have six different

kinds of vinegars, right?

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Six different black.

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Vinegars from all over Asia.

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Why'd you

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Mark: pick that one?

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Right?

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And that's the big question and

that's part of this whole soy sauce

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discussion and you can hear it.

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Bruce is very excited about all

these categories because of course

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they represent various culinary

tropes and various culinary

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categories, and they represent

various culinary experimentations

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he can make and all this stuff.

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And I just keep saying why.

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Why, why, why, why, why?

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'cause I want to.

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No, you have to have a more

practical reason than that.

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Mm-hmm.

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If, if you're gonna actually sell

a cookbook or a recipe, well, okay.

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So we've spent way too long talking

about soy sauce and how soy sauce,

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oh, we should go on for another hour.

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Trust me.

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I'm sure we could, but we're not

going to 'cause this is also the

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writer's job is to call a halt to an

ongoing giant discussion of exactly

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how you pick the right kiwi fruit.

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And instead, instead just cut it to

the chase so the writer is gonna cut

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it to the chase and say, that's all

we're gonna say about soy sauces.

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You should go to a place like an H

Mart or a large Asian grocery store.

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You should look at all of the soy sauces.

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We even go to this really tiny

Asian grocery store in New

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Haven, Connecticut sometimes.

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And um, it's just a small two aisle

grocery store with a refrigerator

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case, and they have an astounding

array of soy sauces in there.

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So if you pick any market, but.

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May I say an H Mart, you will find a

million different kinds of sore sauces

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and you can experiment yourself if

you're so interested, or at least up your

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barbecue or scrambled egg at hummus game.

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Okay.

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Before we get to the final segment

of this podcast, what's making

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us happy in food this week?

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Let me say that, as I said, we

do have these reels on TikTok

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and Instagram and Facebook.

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We also have a Facebook group.

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Clicking with Bruce and Mark, if

you're interested in being part of

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that group, join us on Facebook.

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We post these episodes and we

always ask you the question we're

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about to ask ourselves, what's

making us happy in food this week?

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Bruce: For me, it's gotta be something

I hadn't had in a very long time.

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Fu Mark and I went.

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True.

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We did.

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We went out to an Asian noodle

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Mark: bar restaurant.

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Post post annual doctor physicals.

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Yep.

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So when you have your physical

and you get your blood work,

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make sure you go someplace and

order a big bowl of brisket fat

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Bruce: and go on.

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Yeah.

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So.

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Mark's bowl was all based with

rice, noodles and brisket.

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It was, mine had this strip steak

that was grilled and sliced and

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put on top, but then they said,

would you like to add something?

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We suggest adding the brisket.

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So I had the brisket

added to the strip steak.

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Only

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Mark: you would have

brisket and strip steak

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Bruce: So we had that lunch and

then about seven o'clock that night,

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more like, you're not making dinner.

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I'm like, oh, I'm still full from lunch.

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That was stayed with me,

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Mark: but that was good.

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It was good.

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It, it was really wild.

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Um, I wouldn't say it's

the best pho I'd ever had.

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The broth was a little lacking,

but the meat was not lacking.

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The meat

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Bruce: was amazing.

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They had

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Mark: so.

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Is that a verb?

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Okay.

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They had so heated the brisket,

so it was still pink inside,

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but super tender and, and

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Bruce: each piece I doused

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Mark: in black vinegar before I ate it.

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It was so good.

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It was really kind of a crazy thing.

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So, uh, what was making me happy

in food this last weekend is Bruce

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and I spent a weekend in the Finger

Lakes of New York and we went down

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to Ithaca and we explored the.

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Ithaca, New York Farmer's Market.

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And let me just say that if you have

never been to Ithaca, you should, if

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you like waterfalls, because there

are about a billion waterfalls.

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I may have overstated, but seems

like a billion within a very, very

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short distance from Ithaca and even

on the campus of Cornell, but beyond.

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That there is the Ithaca Farmer's

Market, which has been built on the

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shores of one of the finger lakes.

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It is a really spectacular

and special farmer's market.

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Mm-hmm.

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Lots of people.

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We were there on a Saturday.

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It was crowded, but it was nicely crowded.

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Lots of families, lots of strollers,

lots of people making lunch stands

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where you can eat lunch if you're

ever in upstate New York, and you

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should visit for all the waterfalls.

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You should really make a trip

to the Ithaca Farmer's Market.

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It was fabulous.

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It's quite amazing, and I bought

to continue this discussion, some

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beautiful white kimchi, which is the

non deeply fermented, not terribly hot.

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Mm-hmm.

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Kimchi from a vendor at

that farmer's market.

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It was really great.

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Okay.

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That's the podcast for this week.

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