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The Ripple Effect: How Your Choices Shape the World with Ankush Jain
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In this inspiring episode of Your Ultimate Life, Kellan Fluckiger sits down with Ankush Jain to explore personal transformation, the power of consciousness, and the ripple effects of our choices. Ankush shares his journey from a fixed mindset to becoming a leader in coaching, with a mission to raise the planet’s consciousness and inspire meaningful change.

Key Takeaways:

  • The Ripple Effect: Every decision you make has the potential to create far-reaching positive or negative impacts, shaping not only your life but the world around you.
  • The Power of Self-Image: True growth begins with transforming how you see yourself and embracing your inner guidance.
  • Raising Consciousness: Personal development is not just for individual success—it’s a gift that uplifts others and influences future generations.
  • The Coaching Journey: Ankush emphasizes the importance of foundational work in coaching, sharing his vision for elevating the profession to create a broader global impact.
  • Generational Impact: How we raise children and interact with others leaves lasting imprints on society.

Call to Action:

Ready to elevate your consciousness and make an impact? Tune in to hear Ankush Jain’s insights on self-growth, coaching, and creating a ripple effect that transforms lives.

This episode reminds us that personal transformation is deeply connected to the collective human experience. Listen now to unlock your potential and create the legacy you envision.

💡 Explore More from Ankush Jain:

🔗 Visit Ankush Jain's website to learn about his coaching programs: [https://www.ankushjain.co.uk]

📘 Check out Ankush's books and resources for personal growth: [https://www.amazon.com/dp/1796646830/]

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Kellen Fluker:

Welcome to the show.

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Kellen Fluker:

Hello and welcome to your ultimate life.

Kellen Fluker:

This podcast podcast dedicated to help you create the life of purpose, prosperity and joy that you can create and do it with your gifts, your talents, your life experience the things that are near and dear to your heart.

Kellen Fluker:

Today I have a special guest, Ankush Jane.

Kellen Fluker:

Do you say Jane or Hane?

Ankush Jane:

It's.

Ankush Jane:

It's Jen is the correct way to say it.

Kellen Fluker:

Yeah, Ankus Jen.

Kellen Fluker:

Okay.

Kellen Fluker:

Ankus Jen.

Kellen Fluker:

With a name like Kellen Flukegar, you pay attention to all that sort of stuff.

Kellen Fluker:

So.

Kellen Fluker:

All right, well, anyway, I've known Ankush for many years, I guess now at least seven or eight when we first met.

Kellen Fluker:

But anyway, Ankush, welcome to the show.

Ankush Jane:

Great to be here, Kellen.

Ankush Jane:

Thank you for having me.

Kellen Fluker:

I'm stoked.

Kellen Fluker:

So a question that I love starting with because it opens up so many field of possibilities, is.

Ankush Jane:

You.

Kellen Fluker:

You've made a committed decision to do certain things in your life, and I want you to tell the listeners, how does Ankush add good to the world?

Kellen Fluker:

And I don't want you to be modest.

Kellen Fluker:

It isn't what this is about.

Kellen Fluker:

It's just like, how do you add good to the world?

Ankush Jane:

You know, it's.

Ankush Jane:

It's such a great question, and I think it's.

Ankush Jane:

It's a great question for us all to reflect on because.

Ankush Jane:

So my coach is a guy called Steve Hardison.

Ankush Jane:

Some people may.

Ankush Jane:

May know of him.

Ankush Jane:

He's known as the ultimate coach.

Ankush Jane:

And he, he often recommends books.

Ankush Jane:

He's a voracious leader.

Ankush Jane:

Leader and reader, I should say.

Ankush Jane:

And he recommended a book recently called the Butterfly Effect.

Ankush Jane:

And it's a small book.

Ankush Jane:

You can read it in about 20 minutes, half an hour.

Ankush Jane:

And it's brilliant because it talks about the ripple effects of the decisions that we make in the world and how they can span centuries.

Ankush Jane:

You know, anything that happens if you follow it back far enough, it's like there's so many things have had to happen for that thing to happen.

Ankush Jane:

And I, I've been saying for years that the impact we make is far greater than any of us realize.

Ankush Jane:

Whether it's positive or negative, we will never truly know the impact we have on the world.

Ankush Jane:

And so how do I do good?

Ankush Jane:

There's a lot of ways that people who know me Might, might associate that.

Ankush Jane:

So professionally I'm, I'm on mission and I have a vision of raising the consciousness of the planet.

Ankush Jane:

That's something I've been speaking out into the world over the last year and when I first said it, I had no idea what that would look like.

Ankush Jane:

And a year on it doesn't seem as ridiculous as some people might have thought a year ago.

Ankush Jane:

And there's been so much movement in that direction.

Ankush Jane:

A big part of that happening is me transforming the coaching profession, which I'm doing by talking on shows like this.

Ankush Jane:

It's going to be through my upcoming book and there will be more books, it's through speaking engagements.

Ankush Jane:

And a real fundamental vehicle of that is my coaching school, which I run in London.

Ankush Jane:

I run it once a year, it's over three weekends.

Ankush Jane:

And I'm helping people rise up themselves to a level of what I call a level of leadership which is creating global impact in that school.

Ankush Jane:

It's kind of gone far beyond what the initial vision was for the school.

Ankush Jane:

So I can talk about all of that.

Ankush Jane:

And I think what's just as important is my role as a father.

Ankush Jane:

And this is not some trite thing that I say like, oh, all right, here he goes.

Ankush Jane:

Just some life coach talking about this stuff.

Ankush Jane:

I really mean that because I have no idea the impact I have and what that's going to be beyond my lifetime.

Ankush Jane:

I mean, I can guess.

Ankush Jane:

And it might be that the most important job that I do is the way that I raise up my son to have a healthy and high self esteem so that he goes on to be, you know, a world leader or you know, whatever, having a huge impact or he's healthy enough.

Ankush Jane:

And my grandkids, if I ever have grandkids, go on to do something.

Ankush Jane:

So it's, it's really, you know, in, in the micro and in the macro.

Kellen Fluker:

I love that.

Ankush Jane:

I don't know if that answers your question.

Kellen Fluker:

Yeah, it is.

Kellen Fluker:

Well, it's an answer and there are a whole bunch of ways you could have answered it.

Kellen Fluker:

And I know some of the ways you could have, we could have talked about and we'll just start there.

Kellen Fluker:

I couldn't agree more that the most important thing any of us is ever going to do is in our families how we treat our partners and how we take care of our kids or don't.

Kellen Fluker:

The, the, the things we help them understand about how the world works, the universe works, or the lack of that understanding will go on.

Kellen Fluker:

That's the thing that's going to have obviously generational Impact.

Kellen Fluker:

And the folks in your school or in your other programs may also go do generational impact as well.

Kellen Fluker:

So that's a fabulous place.

Kellen Fluker:

And I love that.

Kellen Fluker:

And I love the speaking and I love the writing and the truth of our choice to make an impact.

Kellen Fluker:

And when you say raise the consciousness of the planet, what is that?

Ankush Jane:

I recently got asked that too.

Ankush Jane:

And it's funny because I've been speaking these words for a year and no one had ever asked me until about a week ago.

Ankush Jane:

And I said, I can give you an answer.

Ankush Jane:

And.

Ankush Jane:

And the truth is I.

Ankush Jane:

I don't really know and I don't make up.

Kellen Fluker:

Because, like, what do you think it might be?

Ankush Jane:

Well, well, let me.

Ankush Jane:

Let me answer it this way.

Ankush Jane:

I don't need to know because I didn't actually speak those words.

Ankush Jane:

They were spoken through me.

Ankush Jane:

So I'll give you a.

Ankush Jane:

The background of this.

Ankush Jane:

I was running my coaching school last year.

Ankush Jane:

I'm on the first weekend, and I got 36 coaches in the room who've all paid, you know, thousands of pounds to be in the room.

Ankush Jane:

And the whole premise of the school was to help them grow their coaching practice, you know, be able to enroll clients, make money, and do it in an ethical way and sustainable way.

Ankush Jane:

That's what the whole premise was, right?

Ankush Jane:

So that's what people are signing up for.

Ankush Jane:

And I stand at the front of the room and my colleague, he says, so how are you going to start the day?

Ankush Jane:

And I go, let's find out.

Ankush Jane:

Because I.

Ankush Jane:

I don't have this whole planned thing that I'm going to talk about.

Ankush Jane:

And I stand up and I start talking, but it's not.

Ankush Jane:

It's not the ego, it's not me.

Ankush Jane:

It's not the little me.

Ankush Jane:

Some.

Ankush Jane:

Something came through and I start saying, hey, we're not here to make you a better coach, and you'll be a better coach at the end of the school.

Ankush Jane:

We're not here to help you make more money and you'll make more money by the end of the school.

Ankush Jane:

And this is kind of strange because that was the actual premise of the school.

Ankush Jane:

I would never have planned to say this.

Ankush Jane:

I said, we are here to raise the consciousness of the planet through transforming the coaching profession to one that is as respected as any other, including being a top surgeon or a top lawyer or CEO.

Ankush Jane:

And I spoke a little bit more and I sat down and I kind of said to myself, where the fuck did that come from?

Ankush Jane:

Because it wasn't for me.

Ankush Jane:

And I thought this could go in a hundred different directions.

Ankush Jane:

And I was like, all right, well, I guess I'm going to go wherever this is going to take me.

Ankush Jane:

And I just like, all I need to do is take the next step.

Ankush Jane:

And so that's all I'm doing.

Ankush Jane:

And things are being revealed to me.

Ankush Jane:

And the way that I see it now is that we all, like.

Ankush Jane:

Steve Chandler would talk about the ladder of consciousness, which is, which is a lovely way to talk about it, which he took from the philosopher Colin Wilson.

Ankush Jane:

And, and basically what he says is at the bottom you've got death, right?

Ankush Jane:

And just above that you've got like, depression or whatever.

Ankush Jane:

And at the top of the ladder, the highest level of consciousness is like spirit, right?

Ankush Jane:

Like in one with the divine, whatever.

Ankush Jane:

And so for me, it's, it's like when we look at, in the world's problems today, in my mind, they aren't problems at the level of the problem.

Ankush Jane:

There are a problem at the level of consciousness.

Ankush Jane:

So if we take that Steve Chandler ladder, for example, and if, if there was like a default level for the entire planet, if we could turn that up a notch, I think that would have a profound effect on humanity.

Ankush Jane:

So what that actually looks like, I don't know.

Ankush Jane:

But I'm committed to helping other people.

Ankush Jane:

And the weights coming out now is I'm seeing, just like my coach has seen in me, something just far beyond what I saw.

Ankush Jane:

So my coach calls me MG And I was a little bit embarrassed about it first because it stood for Mahatma Gandhi.

Ankush Jane:

And I was like, man, that's a pretty big title to put on, you know, someone of Indian descent.

Ankush Jane:

And then we changed it.

Ankush Jane:

I said, well, if, look, if you're really going to keep saying this, because he kept saying it, I was like, let's change it to modern, modern Gandhi.

Ankush Jane:

So he calls me M.G.

Ankush Jane:

no one was seeing me like that.

Ankush Jane:

And, and, and I, it took me like months before I even like, could, could accept the, the, the title or the, or the, the acknowledgment, if you like.

Ankush Jane:

And, and that was like last year.

Ankush Jane:

And as I started seeing that that could even be possible, that someone might refer to me in that way, I started seeing that in everyone.

Ankush Jane:

And so the way that I see that the, the planet's consciousness rises is that as I wake people up to that in themselves, their version of it, that there's all these people out there that even if I was hit by a bus tomorrow, they carry on on that path and they're going to change the planet in greater or lesser degree.

Kellen Fluker:

So 100%.

Kellen Fluker:

I couldn't agree more.

Kellen Fluker:

And the titles referring to powerful or notable figures or the divine or other things is not only true and powerful, but it's also a call to every person who has the essence, the sense in them that there is something there and available.

Kellen Fluker:

And then they put it down and ignore it and push it away.

Kellen Fluker:

Like we all do.

Kellen Fluker:

Because that's what we're taught practically from the cradle.

Kellen Fluker:

To not do that, to be less than to be judged or allowed to be judged.

Kellen Fluker:

Everything else.

Kellen Fluker:

And your coach doing that for you, saying, no, I see this differently.

Kellen Fluker:

And you took X amount of time to what if that's true?

Kellen Fluker:

What if it's possible?

Kellen Fluker:

What would happen if.

Kellen Fluker:

And then to reflect that as a mirror to others.

Kellen Fluker:

What if you.

Kellen Fluker:

And then to call upon yourself to say, wow, I see what that's doing for me.

Kellen Fluker:

So I'm seeing that in everybody else.

Kellen Fluker:

And that allowance in yourself drove you, invites you to treat truthfully.

Kellen Fluker:

Now, this is really important that I.

Kellen Fluker:

What I'm sensing is this is not some made up stuff.

Kellen Fluker:

This is a true way of seeing something that's already there, but acknowledging and allowing it to be visible and to be spoken.

Ankush Jane:

Absolutely cool.

Kellen Fluker:

So there's no, there's no doubt in my mind that you, you right here, right now have the ability to raise the consciousness of the planet.

Kellen Fluker:

And the ladder of consciousness I'm familiar with, and I love it.

Kellen Fluker:

You know, death on the bottom and whatever, infinity on the top, spirit and all the things in between.

Kellen Fluker:

All, all the different things.

Kellen Fluker:

And if you think of them as rungs One of the things I teach when I help coaches learn to coach is I say, look no matter where you are, one of the most important goals of every interaction is to leave that person one rung up the ladder from where you found them, period.

Kellen Fluker:

Whatever else happens in the conversation, leave them a rung up the ladder when they leave the conversation.

Kellen Fluker:

And maybe more or whatever, but that's.

Kellen Fluker:

And that's another way to think of that sort of thing that I, that I talk about with folks.

Kellen Fluker:

So that's fabulous.

Kellen Fluker:

And now you've got this school.

Kellen Fluker:

You mentioned a bit ago that the school at this point has gone, you said far beyond your initial vision.

Kellen Fluker:

I want you to talk about two things.

Kellen Fluker:

Tell me a little bit what that means.

Kellen Fluker:

Initial vision, far beyond.

Kellen Fluker:

And then I want you more importantly to talk about how does that happen and why is that?

Kellen Fluker:

The thrust of all of our collective work in this personal development stuff, the ability of people to sort of see and create far beyond the Keyhole vision to start with.

Ankush Jane:

So we met Kellen through Steve Chandler many years ago, and we both attended his ACS school, the Advanced client system school that he ran in America.

Ankush Jane:

oach, or he was my coach from:

Ankush Jane:

And I love that man.

Ankush Jane:

He's had such a massive impact on my life, and I learned so much from him about coaching and the profession and the business of coaching.

Ankush Jane:

And even though he.

Ankush Jane:

He doesn't like to admit it, he was a brilliant coach at helping me be a better coach.

Ankush Jane:

Even though he would.

Ankush Jane:

He would admit that he helps coaches be better coaches.

Ankush Jane:

He talks more about the business of coach.

Ankush Jane:

And very early on in my work with him, I started complaining about, like, how what he was sharing was not more well known, not more widely known, and most of the content, most of the advice for coaches was, was either not useful or harmful.

Ankush Jane:

And he challenged me back in:

Ankush Jane:

He said, why don't you coach coaches?

Ankush Jane:

And I said, I'm not going to do that.

Ankush Jane:

That's not proper coaching.

Ankush Jane:

Or, I don't know.

Ankush Jane:

I had some judgment on it.

Ankush Jane:

And he said, well, can you help coaches?

Ankush Jane:

I said, yeah.

Ankush Jane:

And he said, do.

Ankush Jane:

Do they want to help?

Ankush Jane:

I said, yeah.

Ankush Jane:

He goes, what's your problem?

Ankush Jane:

And my jaw dropped and I realized, okay, you.

Ankush Jane:

You got me there, coach.

Ankush Jane:

And.

Ankush Jane:

I started in a modest way in:

Ankush Jane:

And then in:

Ankush Jane:

And that was crazy for me that, you know, two years earlier, this was a guy I looked up to, and I literally looked up to him on a stage as first time I met him.

Ankush Jane:

And two years later, we were.

Ankush Jane:

We were planning our first event for coaches.

Ankush Jane:

And then we did something in:

Ankush Jane:

And then in:

Ankush Jane:

And um, and then.

Ankush Jane:

And then we got into Covid, you know, a couple years later.

Ankush Jane:

Right.

Ankush Jane:

But it in.

Ankush Jane:

In, you know, after:

Ankush Jane:

I mean, at the date of recording, he.

Ankush Jane:

He literally turned 80 yesterday.

Ankush Jane:

So, you know, he's.

Ankush Jane:

He certainly earned it.

Ankush Jane:

But, you know, he knew that he wanted to pass on his legacy, I think.

Ankush Jane:

And he had helped a wonderful colleague of ours, Carolyn Freya Jones, set up a school in America.

Ankush Jane:

And he said, you know, there's also a lot of demand for this stuff in Europe.

Ankush Jane:

You know, would you like to do it?

Ankush Jane:

And I thought one day in the future, maybe I'll, like, I'll get to it.

Ankush Jane:

And then kind of COVID came along, so that put a pause on things.

Ankush Jane:

And then, and then when that was, you know, starting to die down, then we really started talking about it again and, and I flew out to Michigan.

Ankush Jane:

I spent a day and a half with him.

Ankush Jane:

And we created the school in a, In a small conference room with the door open just in case I, I had contracted covert and, you know, didn't want to pass it on to, to an elderly man.

Ankush Jane:

I don't think I'd be the most popular person in the world if I did that.

Ankush Jane:

And so, yeah, so.

Ankush Jane:

So the initial premise of the school was to do what Steve had done for coaches, you know, which was to help them with the business of coaching and create a school for that.

Ankush Jane:

And so that's what I did.

Ankush Jane:

In the first year.

Ankush Jane:

It went really well.

Ankush Jane:

I mean, I was expecting, you know, to have a few hiccups and, and teething issues and, you know, with anything and, you know, slowly build it up.

Ankush Jane:

But, but the first year really exceeded all of my expectations.

Ankush Jane:

But it was still very much around, you know, helping coaches, you know, build a business and, but, but even by the end of the first school, it started to evolve and I'm like, this could start really having a much bigger impact.

Ankush Jane:

Rather than me playing small and be like, this is my little kind of corner of the world and my little corner of this massive coaching market, I'm just going to do my own little thing and do it well.

Ankush Jane:

I started to think, man, this could change the profession.

Ankush Jane:

Because I told Steve for years, like, why isn't this more well known?

Ankush Jane:

You know, and the Prosperous Coach book has been out for a long time and it's very.

Ankush Jane:

Sold very, very well, tens of thousands of copies.

Ankush Jane:

And I still see that most people don't really understand the direction that Steve Chandler was pointing in.

Ankush Jane:

And even I was, I worked with him for eight and a half years, and for a lot of that time it was weekly coaching.

Ankush Jane:

And there's a depth of understanding.

Ankush Jane:

You know, it's not just about the information, it's about really getting it and understanding it to, to, to a, to a really deep degree.

Ankush Jane:

And so I started seeing, well, maybe, maybe, maybe it's my job.

Ankush Jane:

So Steve's kind of done the first thing and he's passed the baton on to me.

Ankush Jane:

And so, so maybe it's on me to have a bigger impact and make this more wider known.

Ankush Jane:

And so it started to grow and it coincided.

Ankush Jane:

So I'm Kind of answering both your questions at the same time.

Ankush Jane:

It really coincided with me doing some work with Steve Hardison.

Ankush Jane:

So I was getting coached by Chandler, but I went over to Phoenix and had five sessions with Steve Hardison.

Ankush Jane:

And that's where we worked on, I call it the deepest change work I've ever done.

Ankush Jane:

And we created something called a document.

Ankush Jane:

And if you read the book the Ultimate Coach by Amy Hardison, it's spoken about in there.

Ankush Jane:

Steve creates this with every client that he's gone.

Ankush Jane:

And I was really skeptical, like I don't know if I want to do this.

Ankush Jane:

I don't know if it aligns with my belief system or something.

Ankush Jane:

I thought it sounds like affirmations, but I'd had such a powerful experience with a one off session with Steve the year earlier that I thought, let me just see how it goes and let me work with this guy.

Ankush Jane:

And we started working my documents straight away and we had to go really deep and look at all of the beliefs I had about myself that weren't serving me.

Ankush Jane:

And Steve promised me we'll basically eliminate them all.

Ankush Jane:

Which I was like, wow, I've never come across anything that could do that that sounds good.

Ankush Jane:

And, and you know, that's pretty much what's happened.

Ankush Jane:

I mean, I look at some of those beliefs I had two and a half years ago and I can't, I've got them written down.

Ankush Jane:

I can't remember that I used to have them.

Ankush Jane:

And so, so like it coincided that was doing this deep personal change work and dropping all of these limiting beliefs, these ideas that were not working for me and forgiving them, we went through this deep self forgiveness process.

Ankush Jane:

And at the same time, and then running the school and I'm starting waking up to what's possible for me.

Ankush Jane:

And ultimately that's the power of a coach.

Ankush Jane:

Cullen, you know, as, you know, coaches, I, I've invested, I don't even know now.

Ankush Jane:

But I mean, just in the last few years I've invested half a million dollars in coaching.

Ankush Jane:

And it sounds crazy, like you could buy a house for that.

Ankush Jane:

You buy a nice house for that.

Ankush Jane:

And yet what I'm up to in the world, there's no way in hell that I would be doing what I'm doing without coaching.

Ankush Jane:

And for me, coaching has just the biggest return on investment ROI of anything I've ever done.

Ankush Jane:

Like if I took all the money I spent on coaching and put it in the stock market or the highest interest return account or something, it would be nothing compared to who I am in the World, my true wealth as well as financially.

Ankush Jane:

I mean, it's both.

Ankush Jane:

And I remember someone asked me, how can you work with Steve Chandler all these years?

Ankush Jane:

I mean, he wasn't a cheap coach.

Ankush Jane:

How can you afford to work with Steve all these years?

Ankush Jane:

And he goes, I know when you hired him, you were making, you know, just a.

Ankush Jane:

A smaller amount of money.

Ankush Jane:

I think at one point when I, in the first year I was working with Steve, I was making 35,40,000 pounds a year from coaching.

Ankush Jane:

And, you know, I don't know what that, that, that, that is like 50, 60 thousand dollars a year.

Ankush Jane:

He goes, how could you afford to work with him all these years?

Ankush Jane:

I said, well, my income didn't stay static.

Ankush Jane:

You know, that would be crazy, right?

Ankush Jane:

And, and my business, my.

Ankush Jane:

My income that I generated was used to pay for my, My coaching.

Ankush Jane:

And it still is.

Ankush Jane:

I don't have a, you know, magic pot of money, but I always see it as the greatest return on anything that I do.

Ankush Jane:

So that's what's had this.

Ankush Jane:

Not just now with the school, but with anything I've done.

Ankush Jane:

It's always had me think bigger and step into a bigger role, play a bigger game through.

Ankush Jane:

Through coaches and mentors who have had, you know, for.

Ankush Jane:

I hired my first coach when I was 25.

Ankush Jane:

I'm 42 now, so, you know, 27 years I've had coaches.

Kellen Fluker:

You want to be 52?

Kellen Fluker:

17 years.

Ankush Jane:

Sorry, 17 years.

Kellen Fluker:

I'm just teasing.

Ankush Jane:

And I wanna.

Ankush Jane:

Five years before.

Ankush Jane:

No, seven years before that, or six years before that, I got into personal development.

Ankush Jane:

So I.

Ankush Jane:

Then I had books and other stuff that I was supporting me.

Kellen Fluker:

That's fabulous.

Kellen Fluker:

And I want, I want to hear the leveraging that you're talking about.

Kellen Fluker:

So you're going from starting personal development at 19, hiring a coach at 25, barely being able to do it.

Kellen Fluker:

And people say that all the time.

Kellen Fluker:

I can't afford it.

Kellen Fluker:

I can't this, that, and the other.

Kellen Fluker:

And what they're saying is, I don't believe I will.

Kellen Fluker:

I don't trust myself a lot more than they're saying that they don't think the coach is any good at that the program's any good.

Kellen Fluker:

I always ask people when they say, well, I hired a coach and didn't work, and I asked him, well, was the material?

Kellen Fluker:

There's only two reasons.

Kellen Fluker:

One, you didn't do the work, or two, the coach sucked.

Kellen Fluker:

Well, the coach really didn't suck.

Kellen Fluker:

And it's always, you know, someone's willingness to.

Kellen Fluker:

To execute and do the things to leverage like you've just talked about and your journey.

Kellen Fluker:

The, the exponential trajectory of the journey that you've described means that if you as you, not if, as you stay on that journey, you will achieve those things.

Kellen Fluker:

I know that.

Kellen Fluker:

I see it, you know, I'm, you may know.

Kellen Fluker:

I don't know.

Kellen Fluker:

My goal this year, My year started October 14, a month ago, my year, my goal this year is to reach 300 million people, to help them create wealth and impact with their life story, their divine gifts, their experience and so forth.

Kellen Fluker:

And I love doing that.

Kellen Fluker:

And so we, we share that passion.

Kellen Fluker:

And I love the description of elevating the, the consciousness.

Kellen Fluker:

When, when a person thinks about personal development, what is that, what is that yearning in us that says I want to be more, I want to do more personal development?

Kellen Fluker:

Talk a little bit about that.

Ankush Jane:

I, I, I, I don't know because it, I can only ever speak for my own experience.

Ankush Jane:

The only thing I'm an expert on is, is my own experience.

Ankush Jane:

So for me, I lived my teens thinking this was it.

Ankush Jane:

Like, I just got a fixed personality and I just got to do the best with this insecure mind that I had, this overthinking mind and, and try and blag my way through life.

Ankush Jane:

And it was at 19 that I got introduced to personal development through a friend of mine.

Ankush Jane:

And I just started, and it was like real basic pop psychology stuff.

Ankush Jane:

And I just started to see, oh, oh, like I, I can be different.

Ankush Jane:

I mean, I used to walk, I lived, I was at university, I lived on campus.

Ankush Jane:

We were very close to the, to the kind of city center, you know you call it downtown.

Ankush Jane:

And I used to walk through life, like literally for staring at my feet.

Ankush Jane:

That, that, that was a physical representation of my low self esteem.

Ankush Jane:

I just stare at my feet all the time.

Ankush Jane:

And I remember reading this thing and it went, you know, just, just make eye contact with people and to, to take my eyes from down there to like up there was so scary.

Ankush Jane:

But I tested it and I didn't die.

Ankush Jane:

And it was from that moment I was hooked.

Ankush Jane:

I was like, oh, oh, I, I can be more.

Ankush Jane:

Oh, I, I don't have to accept just my default way of life, the, the way I'm operating.

Ankush Jane:

And so I was just hooked.

Ankush Jane:

I mean, that was the only thing I had, like, it was my main hobby in my 20s was, was like developing myself, was growing, was, was, and really what it was, it was trying to get to a place of being okay with being me, because I didn't really like me.

Kellen Fluker:

Yes, yes, well, it's practically from the cradle.

Kellen Fluker:

We're taught to not be okay, not be good enough.

Kellen Fluker:

Grades and judging and failures and parents and maybe religion and society.

Kellen Fluker:

It all focuses on what we're not good at or short, you know, shortcomings and all that.

Kellen Fluker:

And that choice you made to say, wait a minute, I get to choose a narrative and it doesn't have to be the one that's based on others opinions.

Kellen Fluker:

Is that, is that turning point?

Kellen Fluker:

What?

Kellen Fluker:

So that's spectacular.

Kellen Fluker:

I want to talk that piece you referred to about a document.

Kellen Fluker:

I love that.

Kellen Fluker:

And I've spent the last 10 or 12 years involved in that thing myself.

Kellen Fluker:

In fact, the last book that I wrote is about that, called Living with Purpose and Power, which your coach Steve Hardison wrote the forward to, because it was about that.

Kellen Fluker:

Why is that such an important thing for people to have?

Kellen Fluker:

I'm going to define it.

Kellen Fluker:

You can redefine it if you want some kind of a constitution or an agreement or a declaration of who you are in the universe.

Kellen Fluker:

Why does that matter?

Ankush Jane:

Well, I, I, I often ask people who come to me because I've, I've helped a lot of people create their, their document over the last couple of years.

Ankush Jane:

And I always ask them, how many people do you know that have a document?

Ankush Jane:

And they go and they think, you know, I can hear them on the phone and they're like, you know, maybe a couple or I know one, or you know, maybe a handful.

Ankush Jane:

They always come up with a number or an idea.

Ankush Jane:

And I, and I always say incorrect.

Ankush Jane:

The answer is everyone, see, everyone has a document.

Ankush Jane:

And I'm finding different language to try and articulate what this is.

Ankush Jane:

And the language I've come across this summer is self image.

Ankush Jane:

And it just came to me to explain it like that.

Ankush Jane:

And that seems to really land with people.

Ankush Jane:

Everyone has a self image and that seems to make more sense to you.

Ankush Jane:

Like, so when I say everyone has a document, I'm saying everyone's got a self image.

Ankush Jane:

And most people's self image is not very nice.

Ankush Jane:

I mean, there might be some nice things in there, but I've worked with people and I'm not, you know, people think, some people think, who don't really know about coaching and what I do.

Ankush Jane:

Like I'm working like a therapist.

Ankush Jane:

I'm working with people who are really kind of downtrodden or got real serious mental health problems.

Ankush Jane:

I'm not, I'm a coach.

Ankush Jane:

Therapy is normally about healing the past.

Ankush Jane:

Coaching is about creating the future.

Ankush Jane:

So I'm often working with People who, most of other people or their peers would say this person's very successful.

Ankush Jane:

And yet I've talked to people who outwardly in the world can be seen, you know, the top 1% or top 0.1% in the world or their profession or whatever.

Ankush Jane:

And if you were to, if you were able to kind of open their head up and look at their self image, it wouldn't be too nice.

Ankush Jane:

And, and a lot of people think, oh, I need to be that way in order to keep striving and pushing forward.

Ankush Jane:

And you don't?

Kellen Fluker:

No.

Kellen Fluker:

That's a horrible energy to have to be growing from.

Kellen Fluker:

You know, it's a negative energy.

Kellen Fluker:

And yeah, negative energy can frighten you and try to get you to do stuff, but it's not very conducive to real growth and happiness.

Kellen Fluker:

And there's anyway you keep going.

Kellen Fluker:

Positive energy is far more valuable.

Kellen Fluker:

Go ahead.

Ankush Jane:

Yeah, and, and it's, it's, you know, it's surprising to me how successful externally successful people can be and still have a real negative self image.

Ankush Jane:

So Steve described it to me like the foundation of a house.

Ankush Jane:

And I did some research recently and the Burj Khalifa, I don't know if it still is at one point was the tallest building in the world and it's half a mile tall in Dubai and they used a hundred thousand tons of concrete just in the base.

Ankush Jane:

Right, right.

Ankush Jane:

And I say to people like if you're going to build the tallest building in the world, you know, the foundation needs to be strong.

Ankush Jane:

Right.

Ankush Jane:

I think it's when all, all these awards I'm trying to have a quick Google over, we're here around the, around the thing.

Ankush Jane:

I think it's like 50 meters deep or something.

Ankush Jane:

Was the, was the foundation which is like, that's, that's serious, right?

Kellen Fluker:

It is, it's huge.

Ankush Jane:

It's, it's, it's massive, it's, it's humongous and people like, it's the same for us as people.

Ankush Jane:

Right.

Ankush Jane:

If you want to go out and create in the world like you want to create a skyscraper in terms of yourself, then you need to have a strong foundation, otherwise it's going to topple.

Ankush Jane:

Right?

Kellen Fluker:

Well, there's no question about that.

Kellen Fluker:

Why is it that people have.

Kellen Fluker:

That's a good visual.

Kellen Fluker:

Self image is a good description and it's intuitively obvious you need a strong foundation.

Kellen Fluker:

Yet I'm sure one of the things you discover is people's either reluctance, resistance and sometimes inability to tell the truth or to be available at a Deep enough level to do the work that actually creates that foundation.

Ankush Jane:

I tip my hat to anyone who.

Ankush Jane:

And I.

Ankush Jane:

And I acknowledge everyone who works in the.

Ankush Jane:

I said I acknowledge you because it's really easy to ignore this.

Ankush Jane:

Most people do most.

Ankush Jane:

I do a lot of work with men.

Ankush Jane:

I run retreats twice a year for men and it's only 12 guys.

Ankush Jane:

And every time I do, I say to them, look, I.

Ankush Jane:

Massive, massive, massive respect to everyone who's here.

Ankush Jane:

Because it would be so easy to not be here.

Ankush Jane:

So many excuses.

Ankush Jane:

And again, people can be very externally successful in the world.

Ankush Jane:

They know.

Ankush Jane:

They've got a.

Ankush Jane:

Let's call it a house.

Ankush Jane:

They've got a nice house.

Kellen Fluker:

Right.

Ankush Jane:

Let's call that the.

Ankush Jane:

What they're portraying in the world.

Ankush Jane:

People call it the highlight reel on social media, but the foundation's got cracks in it and they just try and cover it up, and they keep trying covering it up.

Ankush Jane:

I know people who are rich and extremely poor, and what I mean by that is they have money in the bank and their relationship with their wife is terrible.

Ankush Jane:

They, they have chronic stress.

Ankush Jane:

They are workaholics, they have addictions.

Ankush Jane:

And I'm not talking about the odd person.

Ankush Jane:

I'm like, this is.

Ankush Jane:

This is.

Kellen Fluker:

That's the normal.

Ankush Jane:

All over the place.

Kellen Fluker:

It's all over the place.

Kellen Fluker:

It is all over the place.

Kellen Fluker:

Because again, as we're taught from the cradle to believe that we're not good enough, for the most part, we're also brainwashed, beat into the idea that what people see on the outside is the most important and the, the thing that we should and are judged by in terms of our worth and value.

Kellen Fluker:

And that's completely backwards.

Kellen Fluker:

So I 100% agree with what you're saying and understand.

Ankush Jane:

Yeah.

Ankush Jane:

So not, not everyone will do this.

Ankush Jane:

I can't do this with everyone.

Ankush Jane:

And I'm finding more and more people are, you know, drawn to this.

Ankush Jane:

And I guess if you go back to like, you know, psychology 101 and look at the Maslow's hierarchy of needs, you know, as, as people go up.

Ankush Jane:

We live in a world now and I mean, it's.

Ankush Jane:

We almost take this for granted, but you go back 100 years, the world looked really different.

Ankush Jane:

The average lifespan was a lot lower.

Ankush Jane:

Right.

Ankush Jane:

Just.

Ankush Jane:

Just basic necessities.

Ankush Jane:

People didn't have.

Ankush Jane:

100 years in the history of mankind isn't that long.

Ankush Jane:

No.

Ankush Jane:

Whereas now, you know, in, in, in not just in the west, but in a lot of countries, people can afford to, you know, have, you know, certain decent health care.

Ankush Jane:

And education.

Ankush Jane:

And, you know, with the advent of the Internet, people got access to information that they never had before.

Ankush Jane:

And there's cheap Internet all around the world.

Ankush Jane:

So things have really changed.

Ankush Jane:

And I think what's happening is people are realizing that as those basic needs are met, they want more and they move up that, that.

Ankush Jane:

That ladder, if you like.

Ankush Jane:

And there's a cost.

Ankush Jane:

So one of my favorite books, one of the ones that Steve Chandler recommended to me was a book called taking responsibility by Dr.

Ankush Jane:

Nathaniel Brandon.

Ankush Jane:

It's one of the books that's on my curriculum of my school this year.

Ankush Jane:

And I really encourage all of your listeners to.

Ankush Jane:

To read the book.

Ankush Jane:

It's brilliant, brilliant book.

Ankush Jane:

And in the book, he talks about a Spanish proverb, and he goes, it's his favorite Spanish proverb.

Ankush Jane:

And it's now my favorite Spanish proverb because it's the only Spanish proverb I know.

Ankush Jane:

And it translates to, God said, take what you want and pay for it.

Ankush Jane:

And I freaking love that.

Ankush Jane:

I love it because it's like, you can have whatever you want, but there's a price.

Ankush Jane:

You want to have an incredible marriage, there's a price, right?

Ankush Jane:

It's.

Ankush Jane:

It's a creation.

Ankush Jane:

Anything that's.

Ankush Jane:

You want to have a great body, and I'm building an amazing body in the gym.

Ankush Jane:

That's something else.

Ankush Jane:

As change as a result of my document.

Ankush Jane:

There's a price to pay.

Ankush Jane:

I go into the gym and there's a literal price to pay because I pay for gym membership and personal training four times a week.

Ankush Jane:

And there's a price to pay in terms of energy.

Ankush Jane:

And I'm like, there's a million other things I could be doing, but, you know, it takes me.

Ankush Jane:

I'm an hour in the gym plus going there, come back, Sharon, all the rest of it.

Ankush Jane:

There's a lot my time taken up by that, and I know that's an investment.

Ankush Jane:

There's a payoff.

Ankush Jane:

So there's certain things that I want.

Ankush Jane:

I want to not only live long, I want to.

Ankush Jane:

I want to be healthy as I get older.

Ankush Jane:

And so.

Ankush Jane:

Right.

Ankush Jane:

You want that.

Ankush Jane:

Well, you can have that.

Ankush Jane:

This is the price even with.

Ankush Jane:

With food.

Ankush Jane:

Like, I don't know.

Ankush Jane:

At the start of this podcast, I was just quickly finishing eating because I eat a lot now.

Ankush Jane:

I mean, it's gone the opposite way.

Ankush Jane:

Last year, I massively cut back on my calories and to cut down all the fat off me, and now I'm going the other way, but I'm putting on lean muscle.

Ankush Jane:

I.

Ankush Jane:

I gotta struggle to eat Everything.

Ankush Jane:

But that's, that's the price.

Ankush Jane:

That's the price to that I pay.

Kellen Fluker:

I love it.

Kellen Fluker:

There is a price.

Kellen Fluker:

And I just.

Kellen Fluker:

So that is completely in alignment with so many episodes that we've talked about.

Kellen Fluker:

You can have whatever you want.

Kellen Fluker:

You literally can have whatever you want.

Kellen Fluker:

You can speak it into existence, but you gotta pay the price.

Kellen Fluker:

You gotta walk the path wherever you are and wherever you want to go, there's a road.

Kellen Fluker:

There's always a road between here and there.

Kellen Fluker:

Are you willing to walk it?

Kellen Fluker:

That's it.

Kellen Fluker:

Are you willing to walk the road?

Kellen Fluker:

Well, we've come.

Kellen Fluker:

We're a little bit over our time, which is fine.

Kellen Fluker:

And there's 27,000 things that we could talk about and probably people would be valuable.

Kellen Fluker:

But I want to ask you what is.

Kellen Fluker:

Is there something burning on the tip of your tongue or exploding out of your heart that you want to share with people about who you are, what you're doing, and an invitation to them to listen to those yearnings that they have to grow?

Ankush Jane:

This might sound strange, but after everything I've said, let me say this.

Ankush Jane:

Don't listen to anything that Kellen and I have to say.

Ankush Jane:

The, the greatest thing, the greatest person anyone can listen to is themselves.

Ankush Jane:

And I actually don't mean themselves.

Ankush Jane:

I don't mean the ego part of you.

Ankush Jane:

I mean, we all have a deeper connection to something, a knowing and intuition, a guidance.

Ankush Jane:

And like you've pointed to in this episode, Kellen, we, we are taught to kind of ignore that.

Ankush Jane:

But again, anyone can build that relationship by listening to the voice and acting on it, and listen to it and act on it.

Ankush Jane:

So if you believe the exact opposite of what kellani is saying, and it's.

Ankush Jane:

You're being guided to that, go and do that, Go and follow that.

Ankush Jane:

So if there's anything I want to share with people, it's like you are your own best guidance for anything.

Ankush Jane:

And that's true for me and you and anyone.

Ankush Jane:

And the more that I follow that guidance, the more it's leading me to do things that, you know, the small uncle, if uncle tried to create whatever's being shown up in my world, there's no way I couldn't do that.

Ankush Jane:

And so I, I, I believe that, that that's the greatest thing anyone can do.

Kellen Fluker:

Thank you.

Kellen Fluker:

Thank you.

Kellen Fluker:

Because we do these things and we say all kinds of stuff.

Kellen Fluker:

And like you said, when I asked you a question, you said, I can only answer it from my experience, and that's always going to be true.

Kellen Fluker:

And I want to just agree with what Ankos just said to the listeners.

Kellen Fluker:

There is a listening to that voice, your higher voice, the one that you know, the difference when it's whispering versus the ego.

Kellen Fluker:

You know that.

Kellen Fluker:

And there is a price to pay to develop into listening, better hearing more often, and a price to pay to follow.

Kellen Fluker:

So the choice then is to listen to your voice, pay the price to do what it says, even when it seems weird or hard, and keep moving.

Kellen Fluker:

Pay that price to create both the relationship with your, with your guidance and the outcomes.

Kellen Fluker:

Because it will lead you up your own mountain.

Kellen Fluker:

It will lead you to your highest development and greatest joy.

Kellen Fluker:

So follow that.

Kellen Fluker:

So thank you, Ankush.

Kellen Fluker:

Thanks for being here with me today.

Ankush Jane:

Thank you, Kellen.

Ankush Jane:

It was a.

Ankush Jane:

It was a pleasure being here.

Ankush Jane:

Thank you.

Kellen Fluker:

I want to urge you guys to listen to this a couple of times.

Kellen Fluker:

Ankush has shared a bunch of really good stuff that's important and it's true.

Kellen Fluker:

It's not just a couple of dudes talking about things.

Kellen Fluker:

It is true and true for you.

Kellen Fluker:

Not what we said, but what you can create for yourself.

Kellen Fluker:

If you're willing to listen and pay the price, you can have it, build it, and create your ultimate life.

Kellen Fluker:

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Kellen Fluker:

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Kellen Fluker:

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Kellen Fluker:

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