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9:08 BONUS MORE LORE - Vestals!
Bonus Episode • 8th September 2024 • Devil's Trap: A Supernatural Podcast • Don't Be A Dick Productions
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Bitch

So we're going to talk about Vesta. And we're also going to talk about the best of virgins. And this law is this law.

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Bitch

The six virgins that she was talking about, the way that Jodi says it, like it sounded like the the virgins are being sacrificed to Vesta, and that's not what they were. They were priestesses, and they were real priestesses that served at the Temple of Vesta in Rome. They were around since the founding of Rome. They represented the city as a whole, and they're real people.

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Bitch

So we're going to talk about those ladies and also a little bit about Vesta, and give a little caveat, because much of what we know is derived from historical accounts from from people who sometimes, you know, had agendas because they were they were people and they were dudes writing about things that happened. Right. And so sometimes people want to write things to make certain people look better than others.

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Bitch

People are also less likely to document the mundane events. Even back then, it was clickbait, right? Also, the vessel virgins existed over basically like a thousand years. So there's a lot of things that we talk about are going to kind of jump in and out of that. And because we don't have time to talk about a thousand years in history.

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Bitch

So look at things like fuzzy lands, which were a time machine, so we can learn the truth. Even though time travel is stupid. Let's start with the goddess Vesta. So I don't like to say many things about other women, especially when they are goddesses, but Vesta's time for it. She was just compared to the other goddesses. I mean, she was important to Rome, but as a deity.

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Bitch

I'm immediately regretting what I typed here when I'm about to say, but I can't help it in. She is each shred wife, goddess and that is probably because the dudes writing about her loves a shrine. Roman was like, that's really the of today. What? They wanted traditional Roman values, right? Anyways, she was about virginity and being chased and that's not a slut sometimes, right?

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Bitch

She was also an eternal virgin in like me here is like you're a virgin who can't drive, and she was the goddess of our hearts at home. She also symbolized faith, family and domestic order. She was there to make sure your house was just running smoothly and peaceful. So that is a very important thing to have. Domestic tranquility just doesn't make for a really exciting mythological stories, right?

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Bitch

So there's a story about her with a donkey and it isn't even that fun. And there's a donkey that's basically Buster, right? Sort of boring goddess. And a big temple was erected for her. She is in the Roman Forum. In the a century BCE King Numa populace created the Vestal Virgins, trains his ox. Right. And so basically, these ladies are the priestesses who were there to care for the temple dedicated to West, and also really to care for the sacred Eternals.

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Bitch

This is what the bangles were talking about. I think this is what that song was actually about. So these sacred eternal flame, the Ignis eater, as I'm not worried about mispronouncing Latin because it's a dead language and you don't know how it's supposed to sound anyway, so forgot. All right. And so this flame that represented the prosperity of Rome.

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Bitch

And if it went out, it was supposed to be like the downfall. You know, if somebody looks into a crystal ball at one point was like, oh, if you if this goes out, Rome dies. So the vestal virgins have the responsibility of ensuring that, wow, it then did happen on their watch. They will get the shit beat out of them.

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Bitch

They said it was a year 297 BCE. The thing went out. A lot of things are going on at that time. So Rome was really afraid. This went out. Everybody was going to die, right? So in order to make the people feel better, the pots of whatever the priests do, it was like, we have to beat her to make people feel better.

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Bitch

He did so we've got the symbol for Vesta and these, kind of virgins, which are symbolic for how Rome was on penetrated. It becomes very late grows do things. So they're like Rome. Nobody is penetrated. It's just like like these virgin ladies.

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Jerk

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Bitch

So Jodi was correct. There were typically six of them, and they were selected from the super elite families. If you know anything about Rome, you know, they had a big class thing, but the patricians and the plebeians. And then there's people underneath the TV. And seeing plebeians like working class logicians, like you're upper class or nobility, they're always kind of at odds.

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Bitch

So vestal virgins had to be a girl who was between 6 to 10 years old. And I don't think you had 6 to 10. She had a lot of the autonomy and whether or not she was going to be showing a lifelong commitment. Yeah, but it wasn't probably that terrible for her. We'll get to that. Why in a minute.

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Bitch

But so once they were selected, she would be committed to serving as a vessel for the next 30 years. And then you broke into ten year chunks, ten years to learn, ten years to do, and ten years to teach. But I don't think it's a bad system. Right. So that's a pretty solid system.

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Jerk

I think it's.

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Bitch

A good system. And then after those 30 years, you can fuck off and go get married if you wanted to. You can finally live that being Ricard. And there's like, this is the de. But but like.

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Jerk

The what was the age span though at that time? I mean like it wasn't much over like 40, right? I mean.

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Bitch

Well, but they were the ones who did live longer. Does that work for anyone?

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Jerk

Yeah, they had the good life.

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Bitch

So you're right. They're living like a lie. They're generally from the upper class and they have like all the good stuff. But some priestesses ended up staying for over 50 years. So to be legit, like I said, it was an honor. They had rights that other women did not have, which was just any. So a Vestal could handle her own money.

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Bitch

You should you buy and sell property? She could free slaves. She can accept inheritances. She can basically be a notary. She was in charge of the holding people's wills. She could testify in court. She could have a voice in the Senate. No other lady in Rome could do this. Like rich ladies can either leave their houses without somebody with them.

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Bitch

Like women in Rome. Couldn't do JAG. And the Vestal Virgins were pretty well off financially. We know that. They got gifts to the royal family and other benefactors. They found inscribed pedestals of the temples with inscriptions linking individual vessels to their support, which I think is neat. It's even like if you go to the botanical gardens and they'll be like a bench.

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Bitch

Really, Peter, who knows of this? Like that was happening even back then. I think some things, like some things just don't change, right? Yeah. And is that they also had a lot of ritual property. There were like shops in front of where they married that they could rent out the place and they can actually own property. They had money.

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Bitch

And but there also isn't a lot of details about how they spent it, because they were women and people didn't care about that. So what do we hear about them again, is kind of when they're bad or when other things happens and bear that in mind. But we do know because they have the ability to write wills and to leave money to people, including women, that there were Vestal virgins dynasties, just, you know, aunts passing this on to like, nieces and stuff, which is, I mean, is a lose control, right?

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Bitch

Is how these women are fighting to have power in this place, that, you know, that you can't really do it. So to be candid, it, though, I mean, again, these are little girls of between 6 to 10. Their body had to be physically perfect in every respect. Both of the parents needed to be living, although like, I think these rules shifted over like a thousand.

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Jerk

Prior political.

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Bitch

Right that parents had to be living and neither could have been divorced, have been a slave, or be engaged in negotiations or data, which is, you know, sordid negotiation.

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Jerk

Yeah.

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Bitch

So, like, you're going to be like Gabler and like the slave thing is interesting. She does because in Rome, if you got into debt and you pay it off, you can become a slave, right? So you could be moving to that classes, but once you did that, you're out of line for this position. You can have a speech impediment.

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Bitch

Your father must have a residence in Italy. And if your sister was chosen, you could be exempt. So some of this does become kind of Hunger Games. So situation is, you know, her and the end. They had to be absolutely Chase. And they do have to take that vow of chastity to be a virgin for as long as they are priestess.

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Bitch

Because again, they're representing Rome being pure and unfettered. Right. So they they have to do them besides just being virginal, chaste is also that idea of the morally pure. Right it was talking about.

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Jerk

Was it so strong and so pure?

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Bitch

Stay strong, stay pure. And it was it was a when she got selected, the pontiff Maximus would point out her. Oh, and she's sitting on her dad's lap because that's not creepy at all. And so she's sitting on her dad's lap, and the Pontifex Maximus points at her, and then he takes her away by the hand, and it's imitating her being captured in battle.

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Bitch

It's called the capture. And in a wedding ceremony, she would have sat on her mother's lap. So in this one, she sits at her father's. And so if you lived in Rome and you were a woman, you were always owned by a man. So every family, every clan had this paterfamilias, right? So he was like the head, the head patriarch.

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Bitch

Dude, if it was your dad while you're growing up, he's the one who had control over you. And then as you got married, then that control would shift to your husband. But with the virgins, what ends up happening with them is they end up basically kind of shifting to the state. No man ever takes them over just Rome.

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Bitch

But again, he was very important that they say Chase. And if they lost that, then they were accused of something called incest. And that was treasonous against Rome and sounds like incest because basically you're fucking, you know, your family because you're, you're so when you suck is, you know that losing her virginity could be the downfall of the entire nation.

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Bitch

And, you know, it's hot right there, just like we heard in Reno saying, saying, how come she could fall away? Tell me not to touch that hot stove. Right.

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Jerk

Commenced the do not touch button.

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Bitch

Do you not do not touch this red button. Right. And at first, like other punishments, going to be like a stoning. But then Tarquin Elder, the he was this king was like, well, no, no, we are going to do the stoning we're going to be and then we're going to bury them alive. Oh, no. Oh, so I'll get to more details about that and more and more.

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Bitch

So she would be accused of incest and told to stop doing her rights, making financial moves like so, so you're going on trial. So she would have a trial be judged by the pontiff, fixes the priests and a tramp tribunal. And if she was found guilty, then she laid there alive. There were women who were found innocent and then had to get retried to be found guilty, just like happy.

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Bitch

But beyond that, as time went on, the vassals just became more and more enshrined for the royal houses and more in politics. What are the rights that they have, I think is really interesting is they have the ability to be an intermediate between the state people, which is a right. Not anybody has to worry about that. But so these ladies had this really interesting role within politics.

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Bitch

However, as Christianity became more popular within the Roman Empire, the vessels became less so. And in 375 A.D., the Emperor Gavroche and Gratian and whatever your name was, they took away in the vessels privileges and their property, as it were, after the vessel.

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Jerk

Rude.

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Bitch

Rude. So that was the vessels. Basic. And now time for.

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Jerk

Time for some more law.

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Bitch

A little bit into vessels mythology that I wanted to talk about. So the first thing remember I said that Vesta, the goddess, had a thing with a donkey and it was still kind of boring. So this comes from over dawn.

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Jerk

You start off with a donkey story. I'm like, no, I don't think this is going to be boring. I, I'm sure I want.

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Bitch

To hear your opinion on this. Okay. I'm also going to tell you this is still a entertainment production. I'm not going to try and bore an audience. So no offense. This comes from Ovid's fast.ai and it was I founder of this, a video. So Vesta was invited to a dinner party by Sibley in Rome. She was considered a mother goddess.

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Bitch

So anyhow, everyone is there and they're getting wasted because that is what gods and goddesses do at dinner parties, Vasco says, I find somewhere to sleep. It is unclear she's also inebriated. Then the nature deity pri appears, which I believe is also the name of an erection dysfunctional drug. Or maybe just what happens is when they can't close down.

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Bitch

I think that's that is. But so he was often really known to have a giant erection. And so he decides that he's going to try and rape Vesta, who is like passed out. And because he's gross and but there was a donkey who had escaped. And so at that time he was like, where he or whatever donkey noise he makes and that wakes up Vesta.

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Bitch

And then Vesta wakes up and she screams and she doesn't lose the virginity free of his, is scolded and banned from future dinner parties. The. See, I told you it's like a donkey. Except you reading. There is a much more interesting story where Vesta impregnates Rhea Silva, the Vestal Princess and the mother of Romulus and Erina lies with a magical phallus that appeared in the flames of the Sacred Hearts.

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Bitch

But I have only seen it reference. So if you know where the full story is, please send it to me in. The broader thing is, like Romulus and Regulus, like in the other version, raped by Mars. And then the kids get further into the Tiber. They suck in a wolf and they get raised by shepherds, and they lead a revolt against their uncle and put another on the throne because they're Rome.

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Bitch

But I want to know about this magical phallus that was in the fire like kindling that she has lit her hand like in the fire. I want to know more about the dick of magic, you know.

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Jerk

Of course you do.

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Bitch

Of course I do something I think that you would be very interested in is how they dressed. Now, remember, like, these are like the elitist Roman ladies, right? They had to be, like, perfect. But they also had to be modest, right? Nobody can touch us. What were perfect.

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Jerk

And it was pretty warm.

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Bitch

It was very warm. And Rome was very picky like this overall. And they just like to dictate or what you could wear based on what class you. Right. And vessels would wear their hair, the sets, Critias style. And so The Sex Apprentice is a style of six braids that are braided and that is something that the Virginias would wear.

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Bitch

But when the hair stylist archeologist Gina Stevens is, that's a fucking job that Janet Stevens has, and she has this really great video where she was looking at different sculptures and it's looking at what their hairstyle was. So she goes through and recreates and shows you how to do the actual hairstyle if you want to. You can not do it because it involves seven.

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Bitch

And so we don't have any bottom extensions.

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Jerk

But yeah, I'm like, I don't I don't have enough hair for any of those things. So most they would, they would call me a witch and throw me in a fire.

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Bitch

So anyhow, they basically just they're very modest hair. They have she wear no sexy togas. Right. They got the stole, which is a very long sleeved sleeveless robe pictured with the senators. Really wears.

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Jerk

They got to wear Mimas.

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Bitch

You mentioned wearing captains. Captains, right. And only they and the major class guys who wear those jeans and so they have some of the ceremonial headbands, the fashion, which I learned, I was excited to learn. That's a broad band that's wrapped around the body. And so they had to wear that. A tunic, just means cords, like, cord or a girdle.

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Bitch

And then also the headband of the veil. And so she's in these comfy clothes, but it's a lot of fabric for fire. But also wear, like, most of the things or cats which capture the penis. And I get I told you there was a I'm pronouncing this Latin in whichever fucking way I want. See it? They are capturing the penis as well.

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Bitch

P and you as AKA in the store room within the temple. And nobody is allowed in this but the virgins and really like where like all this shit goes down. Men are never allowed in there and it's just a women's place. And so like I guarantee you all this stuff that catches on fire, it was gone as soon as they walked in the door, like that girdle, that amber off thing, whatever.

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Bitch

Like that was off as soon as they walked in, like that bra was flat across the room, you know, it was just like, hanging and or, like, torches or whatever. All right. So again, the penis. So once you become vestal, whatever this important responsibility it was to care for that penis located within the temple and its contents, and those toxins can be anything from like the wills era, with documenting two of the original ingredients, like the bonus salsa they made three times a year.

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Bitch

Ebola as a Lisa. So that is basically anything that is made from spelt flour mixed with salt. And then it sounds like a pasty thing, like it's used some in summer festivals that we're going to talk about. Okay. So vessel that the vessels had a lot of festivals that they needed to participate in. And this started off with their New Year's rides and that was on March 1st.

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Bitch

So that's in round March versus New Year's. And basically that meant the temple had to be cleaned. And that was just a lot of, I'm sure, the spring cleaning. But then so there's the temple is cleaned out and gets refreshed and new fire gets okay. That'll be right. It absolutely is. And spring cleaning is where we get a lot of this from, because that's just what humans do.

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Bitch

Like, you just need a time once a year to be like, we're going to make sure that then after that was the Forest City up that took place in April. At this festival, a pregnant cow was sacrificed at the Citadel, Jupiter on behalf of the state and another 30 pregnant cows, one for each curia. We basically like that, like the council, like a council or neighborhood.

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Bitch

We're also sacrifice. And note I say pregnant cows. So the one that was, the Citadel, a Jupiter that when the calf pulled out of the stomach of the of the dead mama cow and then the the and priests got the joy of of burning that and then she's going to use that, keep that ash for later in the year and then like the other 30 ones.

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Bitch

Right. So all of her, sort of killing a pregnant cow and then dragging these cows citizens from there to a central place where then the vassals could burn them and use that ash to purify people. These fucking Romans. All right. So after that, there was the vessel here, which was the vessels festival. I have it June 7th through June 15th.

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Bitch

The temple was open to the women of Rome. The donkeys had a mysterious role in the vessel of festivals. And according to Robin Wild sayings, Roman Vestal virgins, virgins, donkeys were quote decorated with loaves of bread.

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Jerk

Bread, donkeys, I guess.

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Bitch

And then also. And there's a milk. They think this milk could be related to the mysterious ass that appears in the rights of the vestal, yet mysterious ass. There is a mysterious Zeus. Donkey is a mysterious ass, so I.

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Jerk

Just like there we're talking about virgins and their Vestal festival. And now we've got some mysterious and mysterious.

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Bitch

Absolutely. No, we're friends or not. Diana got many talks about mysterious. Absolutely up to me writing this. Okay, so that we have mysterious ass, then comes the October verse. So every October, two races were held in the area of Rome that was that was set aside for Mars. And the right hand horse of the winning team was spirit and then sacrificed neighbors, a fight over who got to keep them display it because fucking robed, in the blood.

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Bitch

To be fair, Rome eight horses all the time. So they eat cows too, but still roast you and the blood of the horse's tail, though that was for the vessels. And that way for the heart. That becomes an ingredients for something for the. Really. So that's the next festival I'm. During that people jump over the flames in a triple row shaking their damn floral, which I thought was competing with the yam shaking that we had a couple weeks ago.

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Bitch

So. And this one, there's like so many jumps over fires, retired and they shake their royal their laurels. Okay. And then there's also the hang out fume against me from the cast, ash and the horsefly that they kept from those things that they, they're like we were then gross shit we did a couple of months ago. We just wanted to remind you.

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Bitch

And now we want you to smell like it. Smell like this dead cow motherfucker. Yeah. So, there also the rise of our guy where the vessels would through 24 to 30 straw effigies into the Tiber River. Maybe to get rid of the ghosts and spirits that came out during the Maria that happened before. But the vessels always had to use running water.

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Bitch

The water always had to be flowing. If you're going to use it in her. Right. And they actually curated some cool like fountain, some shit that had.

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Jerk

Its like untouchable water. There had to be moving.

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Bitch

Yeah. So it was like your cat has a drink, a little perpetual fountain, like the Vestal virgins or like your cats and that way. Okay. And they also just because the Tiber was flowing, they use that to the like, oh, we got something that's unclean. So let's throw it in here like, hey, we've got this rapist criminal that we just murdered and executed.

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Bitch

He's unclean. Listen to his corpse in this river. Hey, you want to get some water?

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Jerk

I'm thirsty.

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Bitch

So that's the Tiber. And so more incest. So, as a reminder. And system is when a virgin was accused of losing her virginity or her chastity. So when that one happened and she would be found guilty, she would then be dressed in funeral garments, bound hand and foot, and put into a clothes litter. Not like the kitty litter box, like the things that you know, like the things that people carry around on.

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Bitch

She would put in the clothes litter and then proceeded it around with their friends and family, like at a funeral. Then they would take her to her chamber hole, and when the edge of the chamber hole the Pontifex Maximus and put a ladder into the chamber, down in the chamber there was a bed, blankets, a lighted lamp, water, bread, milk and oil.

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Bitch

This is where the mysterious asthma comes in. Because it wasn't necessarily cows milk. It could have been the ass, though, because all these things had to do with the vessel, right? Right. So they could be sea. Either you can do these rights while you die, or these are the rights that you don't fucked up.

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Jerk

Right? Yeah.

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Bitch

Awesome. I like that you use ass milk in a ritual. So as soon her foot hits that ladder, the priest also on her, and they just turn away, did they remove the ladder? And they filled in the hole. So she would just be in this hole. Kind of similar to what ends up happening in this episode. I know that was on purpose or not.

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Bitch

I just it was interesting how he counted out of all the vessel virgins, 11 instances ever recorded executions because of un chastity. So last thing for we go. I just want to tell you a little bit about Vestal, who died for being, chaste. So our first one, unclean and need unclean. So the vats that's on vegetables, the vessel.

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Bitch

Well, because her name is on the vessel Panarea. And it kind of has been reminding me of Panera. So.

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Jerk

I just want a bread bowl.

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Bitch

I just want to.

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Jerk

Hold the donkey. Hold the ass. Milk?

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Bitch

Oh, no. Ass. Well, at my bread bowl. Okay, so this is. She is the first one who is sad. Is been buried alive by King Tarquinius Priscus, who allegedly had a dream that was telling him this was a punishment that the vessels deserved. The next vessel in 483 BCE, who we will call vessel RPA, was excused because there was ominous portents that people were seeing.

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Bitch

I'm assuming like how mutilations or something. So like people just thought then that things were going to happen. So they assumed if bad things were happening, it must be the vessels, vessels. And in 427 BCE there was a plague which was mainly affecting pregnant women. And so a slave informed the priest and a vessel had been unchanged. And so that vessel, her name was either Urbino or Venice.

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Bitch

Yet she was tried, convicted, scourged, and buried alive. She had two lovers, one of them killed herself, and the other was beaten to death. It is said that the plague sister mediately afterwards.

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Jerk

I mean, sometimes you do this how to do what you gotta do.

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Bitch

So in 420 Bcbc, the vessel posthumously was accused but acquitted. She had raised suspicions because of her too elegant dress, in a manner freer than was suitable for a virgin. She was remanded and ordered by the Pontifex Maximus to abstain from jumping and to practice holiness rather than elegance. In her appearance. I wonder what your set was like in costume yet so in her humor in 337 BCE and Vestal minutia was also accused because of her appearance.

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Bitch

Unfortunately, she was buried alive again. There is a patricians absolutely be in power. Show him the God. And she was collisional and family. So I think maybe that could have been them saying that you shouldn't be here is a joke. This right here, Max, is my favorite and the one that definitely means a Netflix series only because of her name.

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Bitch

And that is the vessel sextillion. We don't know why she was buried, but I hope it was a good reason. I hope she had a good time. Also, during that time there was a vessel to a chief and she was accused that she was saved because she carried a sim full of water to the river without stealing a job.

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Bitch

Good for her. In 216 BCE, the women of Rome started acting up and they're creating a ruckus in the streets in the morning for the their done Hudsons. And this was during the Battle of Cannae, and the Senate had decided not to ransom the captives that came out of that. And the wives were upset and they had something to say.

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Bitch

So two vestal virgins got buried alive because the vessel Amelia was accused and she was because she put her garment on the hearth. And then the fire went out, and then she relit the heart from the ashes, and that proved that she was a virgin. Okay. Yeah. Romans then, unfortunately for many, in 114 BCE, lightning hit this knight's daughter.

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Bitch

And it not only killed her, but it just blew all her clothes off. And so she's just lying like she's naked, dead. And her feet are just, like, all twisted around and they're like fog lights. This is an omen. Something's going to happen. Way these vessels are foggy. And so they accuse singer that they accuse Marcia, Amelia and Licinius.

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Bitch

Amelia was patrician and Licinius was of sieben, and the other one was patrician. Okay, so Amelia and Licinius were accused of being the others brothers and of having group sex. Marcia was accused of having the one lover. So they had this trial, and then only Marcia is found guilty. So Marcia is buried alive in the public house. So, mags, there is like during the trial, they were literally saying like, yeah, the aristocracy knows this shit is happening.

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Bitch

And so the people are like, the fuck? And they're like, fine, we'll have another child will bury them alive too. So then they buried the other two alive. They had to do a bunch of rituals and try and cleanse all the eternal flame. And they did bury four men alive. Okay, so at least we got some dudes there.

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Bitch

Then in 73 BCE, two vessels, very less severe, were separately accused. This was also during a class war. But those two you hired two really good lawyers, like the famous Cato. Not that one. And those were acquitted. And under Domin to one emperor 81 to 96 BCE, four vessels were tried for incest. So you were convicted the vessel Voronezh, Varvara, Mila and the sisters oculist.

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Bitch

And one found innocent the public was really mad because, there is another one. Cornelia. She was tried in absentia. It wasn't even there to, like, face up their accusers. They didn't matter because they found her. They tried her again and found her guilty. So. And then as like she was the Virgin Maxima. So she was ahead of the order.

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Bitch

And as she was going down to her aircraft, discovers your chamber, her solar court, and she turned and collected herself, and the executioner tried to give her a hand. She was just like, no, ma'am.

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Jerk

No, sir.

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Bitch

No sir.

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Speaker 3

The final executed vessels we're going to speak about were killed in about 212 C.E. after being accused by the teenaged Emperor Caracalla or Caracalla, or whatever. You say, his gross name.

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Bitch

Because if the stories of about him were true, he was.

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Speaker 3

Just a piece of shit. So he allegedly raped the Vestal Virgins. Claudia Liana then accused her of incest. In addition, to help cover his crime, he accused the Three Vestal Witnesses and Regina Aurelius Rivera and Kenisha Essentia. All four of these festivals were tried, but no men, oddly, were accused of having participated in the act. One of the condemned Kenosha crew, Essentia, committed suicide before the execution.

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Speaker 3

On the way to her death, Claudia is said to have screamed her innocence and hurled accusations at Caracalla for knowing that none of this was her.

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Bitch

Fault and that it was his.

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Bitch

Oh yeah, that is the the moral law for fallen vassals.

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Jerk

That's wild.

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Bitch

Yeah. It's really, I.

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Jerk

Mean, for as boring as Vesta is, it's wild.

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Bitch

Rosemary Larson is. Sorry, Lady Lake, we all. But it's attention, me and you. Sometimes you need to be boring. I I'm fine.

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Jerk

Sometimes you don't need.

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Bitch

To be like. I mean, some control room rapist needs to be clean sometimes. Like, I just need a clean hearts, right? Yeah, I, I don't think there's a reason to be, like stealing a bunch of cow babies, but, you know, like, we all know her. Do her thing, but, I mean, it's still really shitty that at times when things were bad, the solution was, let's kill some fucking women.

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Bitch

And it just it seems to be a theme that occurs throughout history that I would very much like to go away is that she was as.

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