Summary
In this episode of the Non Judging Breakfast Pod, hosts Leif and Steve are joined once again by the hilarious Shannon Kelly to dissect Season 2, Episode 10 of Gossip Girl, "Bonfire of the Vanity." The trio dives into the chaotic world of the Upper East Side, where Serena grapples with Aaron's questionable dating practices, Blair faces off with her mother's new beau, and Jenny's fashion dreams go up in flames—literally. They discuss themes of betrayal, parental expectations, and the complexities of teenage ambition. Shannon brings her unique perspective to the table, adding depth and humor to the lively discussion.
Keywords
Gossip Girl, teenage ambition, betrayal, parental expectations, fashion, relationships, podcast, analysis
00:00 Introduction and Welcome
02:15 Guest Introduction: Shannon Kelly
10:00 Discussing "Bonfire of the Vanity"
15:20 Serena and Aaron's Relationship Dynamics
22:45 Jenny's Fashion Dreams in Flames
30:30 Blair's Battle with Cyrus
38:15 Dan's Moral Dilemma
45:00 Chuck's Emotional Moment with Bart
52:30 Episode Grades and Reflections
1:00:00 Stock Watch: Characters Rising and Falling
1:10:00 Best Outfits and Fashion Highlights
1:15:00 Plugs and Closing Remarks
Special Guest
Shannon Kelly
Produced by Leif Capicola and Steve Marchion.
Edited and mixed by Leif Capicola.
The Gossip Girl Theme Performed By Steve Marchion.
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There's nothing like a teen girl loves more than like a guy with
Shannon:daddy
Shannon:verified.
Leif:Yeah. Teen girls
Leif:love you, Robin.
Leif:Hey, upper east siders. And all you scandal loving listeners out
Leif:there, you just tuned into the non judging breakfast
Leif:pod where the coffee is strong, the
Leif:waffles are fresh, and the gossip is hotter than
Leif:ever. My name is Leif and I'm your seasoned
Leif:gossip girl veteran.
Leif:And I'm Steve, your newbie, your greenhorn,
Leif:your, I don't know, Leif. At this stage, what do we
Leif:call the new kid on the block? In Gossip girl
Leif:terms, I'm not sure.
Leif:But I think Blair could hear your desperation from the other room.
Leif:Well, it is pretty much pouring out loud and
Leif:clear. So here's
Leif:the deal folks. Leif is seasoned
Leif:veteran to Gossip girl. And I am watching right now for
Leif:the very first time. And the two of us are your
Leif:dynamic duo, bringing you all the dirt,
Leif:the scandals, and the sometimes
Leif:questionable fashion choices of this iconic
Leif:2007 series.
Leif:That's right. Each week we're going to take a deep dive into the
Leif:show, analyzing all the obscure
Leif:references, hidden parallels, and of course
Leif:the kator catastrophes. And along the way, were also going
Leif:to take a look at some fandom stories and some behind the
Leif:scenes gossip.
Leif:And since were all about inclusivity here at the non judging
Leif:breakfast pod, theres always a seat for you at our non
Leif:judging breakfast table. So go ahead and grab
Leif:your mimosa, your cup of coffee, or some of
Leif:nate and chuck special medicine if its that kind of morning.
Leif:And let's get into this.
Leif:Okay, Steve, we are not alone. Once again, we
Leif:have a guest. We're back for the second
Leif:time, the stupendous, the
Leif:spectacular Shannon
Leif:Kelly.
Shannon:Hi. What an intro.
Leif:Don't forget funny too.
Leif:Yes, incredibly funny.
Shannon:Shannon Kelly. Funny girl.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:Yes. Be funny.
Leif:First member of the two timers club.
Leif:Yeah. welcome back to the show, Shannon.
Leif:We're really glad to have you again.
Shannon:I'm, very happy to be here.
Leif:I'm pretty sure that we are, recording this
Leif:podcast. Your second podcast, before. We have
Leif:played another session of your d and d game though
Leif:too.
Shannon:Yeah, don't remind
Shannon:me. I'm more
Shannon:dedicated to this craft at the moment.
Shannon:Okay.
Leif:It's the right move.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:In fact, I think we're going to replace you with you.
Shannon:Sorry. Women power.
Shannon:Yay.
Leif:So today we are here to talk about season
Leif:two, episode ten, bonfire of the
Leif:vanity. The original air date was
Leif:November 10, 2008, and of course, this is
Leif:a reference to the movie bonfire at the
Leif:vanities.
Leif:Yeah, bond bonfire, the vanity yeah. I. I
Leif:did. I didn't see it. I. This was one of
Leif:the really, really.
Leif:Novel by Tom Wolf.
Leif:Yeah, yeah. It's one of the really rare movies
Leif:that my dad's like, no, that's too grown up for you. So
Leif:I never actually saw it, and I feel like you.
Leif:Yeah, yeah.
Leif:What came out when you were. When did they come out?
Leif:I think I was.
Leif:Didn't it come out, like, late eighties,
Leif:early nineties? Like, I think I was
Leif:under 15.
Shannon:I have never heard of this.
Leif:That's got, Tom Hanks, Bruce Willis,
Leif:and Melly Griffin.
Leif:Yeah. This was actually. This was one of Tom
Leif:Hanks early films
Leif:too, if I remember correctly. Was it a
Leif:comedy? Let it meant to
Leif:be funny.
Leif:It's got some funny parts.
Leif:Okay. Cause, like, you know. Cause, you
Leif:know, Tom Hanks wasn't really known for anything outside
Leif:of comedy until.
Leif:What, castaway? Or was there something before that? Oh,
Leif:no big. well, that was a comedy.
Leif:What?
Leif:That was a comedy.
Leif:Well, what? Castaway?
Leif:No big.
Leif:Oh, that's what I'm saying. Yeah.
Leif:No, no, I'm saying he was only known for comedy.
Leif:No, until, like, Philadelphia, I guess, was maybe his
Leif:first big dramatic role, and then everyone was
Leif:like, holy shit, he's got more than that. So that's why I was
Leif:figuring this out.
Leif:Then he did like, Boris Kampf right after that.
Leif:Yeah, yeah, yeah. He became, like, the serious
Leif:actor at that point and was no
Leif:longer locked into comedy.
Shannon:But was bonfire vanities as dramatic
Shannon:as.
Leif:I do not know. None of us have seen it.
Leif:Have you seen it? Nah. yeah, I
Leif:feel like I've probably seen clips.
Leif:So this episode was written by Jessica
Leif:Queller. She is back. She previously
Leif:wrote roman holiday. Blair Waldorf,
Leif:Smuth. Hi. And the Serena also
Leif:rises. All good episodes.
Leif:Yeah, yeah.
Shannon:Female power.
Leif:Yeah. and. And all
Leif:three episodes. Also very, like, important
Leif:episodes, really, you know, especially the
Leif:roman holiday and where. Blair Waldo.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:Like, very pivotal episodes and very
Leif:important. Yeah. So, I mean, it adds
Leif:up.
Leif:A very, very Blair heavy episodes.
Leif:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Leif:Even. Even though I was Serena in the title was.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:Really a Blair episode.
Leif:Yeah, yeah, true.
Leif:And then it was directed by David von
Leif:Ankin. This is first and only
Leif:time on Gossip Girl, but he has been
Leif:directing tv mostly from 2001
Leif:until present. Californication. Bunch
Leif:of procedurals.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:Nothing really stands out. Too much.
Leif:Yeah. and honestly, it's.
Leif:No, no, no big notes on the directing
Leif:player and others.
Leif:This kind of generic.
Leif:Yeah, yeah. Just. It felt like a. Ah. Very
Leif:regular episode, you know, you get some good
Leif:performances out of the, out of people, but they were also the people
Leif:that you always get good performances out of. You know,
Leif:looking at you, Margaret Collins. Mark Margo.
Leif:Margaret.
Leif:Margaret. Yeah, looking at you, Margaret Collins.
Leif:we got the Jacobs, tv
Leif:without publish, without pity recap lit here.
Leif:So Serena slash Aaron's pretty much
Leif:non starter this weekend since they just go
Leif:around and around having the same fight as last week.
Leif:Aaron is a giant whore. And the
Leif:same resolution as every week of the show
Leif:ever. This is somehow Serenas
Leif:fault. On the other hand, we got to hear
Leif:the best song of all time, sex
Leif:on Fire by the kings of Leon, twice.
Leif:Several months later than
Leif:usually on point. The show
Leif:gives us new tunes. Not that im, grateful
Leif:for the chance to listen to it one more time.
Leif:And more importantly, wasnt Cindy Lauper on the
Leif:soap opera hawking that same song on, that one
Leif:soap opera with the awesome gay dudes, like six
Leif:years ago? How of the moment, Gossip
Leif:girl? Anyway, lots of pretty
Leif:pictures of Serena, no interesting
Leif:dialogue, the manufactured sexiness
Leif:running through the Central park in your underwear, lots of
Leif:awesome music and creen
Leif:shots. I take it back.
Leif:That's exactly what dating Serena
Leif:van der Whitzel would look like.
Shannon:Jenny and Agnes wait a whole 17
Shannon:seconds before turning on each other like coke fueled,
Shannon:rabid kittens. And while it's adorable and we get to
Shannon:see both of them go completely effing nuts
Shannon:together and separately, like four deliriously
Shannon:awesome times each, Jennys constant attempts to
Shannon:go roguely adult dont really scratch Agnes
Shannon:itch. She ends up setting all of Jennys
Shannon:designs on fire. Jenny gets minorly
Shannon:suicidal, tries to go into business for herself,
Shannon:is brutally rebuffed, and spends the night crying like
Shannon:a lunatic in an alley before pulling it together and getting
Shannon:herself emancipated.
Leif:Im torn as to which of the other stories
Leif:I adored more. I usually tell you in order, but
Leif:this time, I just dont know. Blairs interactions with
Leif:Eleanor Wal with Eleanors boyfriend
Leif:Aaron's dad are twisty, delicious,
Leif:but on the other hand, Dan Humphrey made me
Leif:cry. You know what? That's embarrassing
Leif:enough that we're going there. Dan is put
Leif:is put by Noah Shapiro into the position
Leif:of doing Bart, a, Bart Bass expose,
Leif:Baree capper beloved New York
Leif:magazine, and dutifully tries to
Leif:get some dirt when he happens onto bigger dirt
Leif:than he was expecting. He has,
Leif:several moral meltdowns in a row
Leif:before pulling possibly the
Leif:greatest move in the history of the show in
Leif:an apology for digging up shit,
Leif:including for real Barts real
Leif:estate related manslaughter arson from the
Leif:eighties. He gives up, all his notes to Bart
Leif:and includes the Charlie trout short story.
Leif:Hes the only person on earth with the means and
Leif:opportunity to heal chucks relationship with his
Leif:father, so he just
Leif:fucking does it. Brooklyn,
Leif:I heart you tonight. It feels
Leif:weird.
Leif:Blair is all excited about meeting Eleanors new
Leif:man because Cyrus Rose evokes
Leif:images of Cary Grant, but what she gets
Leif:is Wallace Shawn. This causes her to
Leif:go berserk. So while she is busily shitting
Leif:all over Serenas relationship as usual, she
Leif:has to also break up Cyrus and Eleanor.
Leif:She takes him to dinner to dig for dirt
Leif:whiles kind of totally in love
Leif:with his weird little ass, but then gets
Leif:pushed by her bitch mother yet again into
Leif:ignoring the angels of her better nature, and she
Leif:uses the story to break them up.
Leif:all this takes place with the amazing ceiling
Leif:camera setup that makes him look like an actual hobbit,
Leif:reining his neck up to talk to everybody. Of
Leif:course, Cindy Lauper shows up on Blairs
Leif:18th birthday party to remind Blair how, much
Leif:she actually adores him. And
Leif:then he locks it down by admitting that he
Leif:manipulated Blair into giving up all her ammo on
Leif:the first go. we call that forced
Leif:perspective. This alcohol
Leif:gaming by the dwarf is, of course,
Leif:catnip for Blair, and she agrees to
Leif:an uneasy truce that is
Leif:translated from Blair's language, means
Leif:they are BFF. Of course,
Leif:her many quick changes of heart are
Leif:rewarded the next morning when Eleanor
Leif:announces he's moving in that very
Leif:day. Happy birthday, Blair bear. You get a
Leif:weird little sicilian dad and Aaron,
Leif:Bobby Frey brother. Xoxo.
Leif:next week, Nate and who cares what else?
Leif:That was fun.
Leif:Yeah. Inconceivable. Special guest this
Leif:in this episode.
Leif:Yes.
Leif:That's going to come up a few times. Probably
Leif:going to be a few references.
Leif:Not enough.
Shannon:Conceivable.
Leif:I wanted to, actually, because while Sean is on
Leif:this, should you just call me Sean? Because, Wallace,
Leif:Sean is on this episode. It's not always
Leif:about you.
Shannon:Shannon,
Shannon:self proclaimed narcissist.
Leif:he was just recently, there was an interview with Preston and
Leif:Steve in the latest Philadelphia magazine. Preston and
Leif:Steve, if you're listening from anywhere that's not in Philadelphia, are
Leif:radio personalities. And they were
Leif:talking. They were asked what their worst interviews
Leif:were. Their first one was Wayne Brady. They said he was just
Leif:a dick. But the other one that they said
Leif:was Wallace Shawn. That they were expecting,
Leif:like, this, like, classic comedy
Leif:comedy guy like this really funny dude this.
Leif:And he just was a really flat interview, apparently
Leif:so. Yeah. But we would still like to invite
Leif:Wallace, Sean to come on
Leif:an episode and discuss your. Your role
Leif:on Gossip Girl. Yeah, I would love to prove
Leif:precedence.
Leif:It's definitely one of the great recurring characters. The Gossip girl.
Leif:Yeah. And, I mean, who doesn't fucking
Leif:love Wallace?
Leif:Not enough.
Leif:We move into act one.
Leif:Gossip Girl is again silent.
Leif:The episode opens at the Humphrey loft as Dan
Leif:and Rufus are discussing Jenny's new living
Leif:arrangement.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:No gossip girl at the beginning.
Leif:No. Oh, wow. Yeah. I didn't even catch
Leif:that. That's weird because it doesn't happen often. It's
Leif:only happened one other time.
Leif:Second time, I think this happened.
Leif:Yeah. More courtney love than June Cleaver
Leif:was my only note for this. I loved that.
Leif:Talking about Agnes.
Leif:Agnes's mom. Yeah.
Leif:The minions are back. Blair is making plans
Leif:for her 18th birthday. Sounds like Eleanor has
Leif:a new boyfriend. Serena is
Leif:still distracted by the whole Eren situation.
Shannon:I like the line from one of the minions. She goes,
Shannon:like, even moms have
Shannon:boyfriends.
Shannon:Yeah.
Leif:The writing theme throughout the episode that. Well, I think it was
Leif:just a theme that none of them have boyfriends.
Shannon:Yeah.
Leif:Yeah, yeah.
Leif:That's just. That's been back to season one.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:Yeah, because remember jet? That was, like, Jetty was gonna get a
Leif:boyfriend because no one else could get a boyfriend.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:For some reason. Yeah, I guess these girls are just so
Leif:insufferable. I mean, they're attractive enough.
Leif:Boyfriend.
Leif:Like, they're super attractive and super rich.
Leif:How.
Leif:How unsufferable.
Leif:do you need to be but.
Leif:To turn off high school boys? M maybe
Leif:Asher's just leading all the lacrosse Stephen orgies in the locker
Leif:room.
Leif:Jenny and Agnes are meeting with a business
Leif:manager, but Agnes is cray
Leif:craye.
Shannon:Oh, God. Jenny. Jenny, in
Shannon:this, like, she's so professional, and, I mean, I guess it's
Shannon:unprofessional to, like, disagree with the person you're doing
Shannon:the interview with, like, with your partner in front of the guy, but it's like, her
Shannon:answers are so on point, and, like,
Shannon:Agnes is all over the place. What are you
Shannon:doing?
Leif:Yeah, and, like, why didn't you rehearse your
Leif:pitch? And, like, this isn't. This isn't your
Leif:first pitch, so why haven't you worked this shit
Leif:out in between all of these other pitches? Like, why are
Leif:we watching this meltdown at this
Leif:point?
Leif:You know, I have a feeling they did. And then just Agnes
Leif:just going off book, immediately.
Leif:And I think that's kind of my point. And, like, my other
Leif:note here is just, how dumb is Agnes?
Leif:Because, like, you are blowing this thing up.
Leif:Like, how fucking idiotic
Leif:is it to just be here and, like, blowing up on this
Leif:person, on your partner in front of the person you're trying
Leif:to get to fund you?
Shannon:Yeah. Sabotage.
Leif:I mean. Yeah, I think it's a bad picture of
Leif:mental. I think they're just trying to do. It's a bad portrait of mental
Leif:health.
Leif:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Leif:I think they're just trying to show, oh, this girl's clearly
Leif:unstable.
Leif:Yeah. Yeah. I think you're very right.
Leif:I, just think that the execution.
Leif:Yeah, I think that the execution of Agnes in
Leif:this episode and, like, the, like, you know, we kind of
Leif:saw that she was, like, the, you know, maybe a little bit
Leif:of the bad girl, whatever, but, like, the
Leif:total. No longer, like, a good
Leif:partner anymore in this was a. Was a
Leif:weird. Was a. An abrupt turn.
Shannon:Yeah, I agree. I feel like she, like, sold Jenny a dream
Shannon:in the, like, episodes prior, and then it was like
Shannon:she was going to be this, like, promising partner, and
Shannon:then she does do a complete 180.
Leif:Yeah.
Shannon:interesting that you guys are saying, like, mental illness, because that I didn't
Shannon:register that while I was watching it. I felt I
Shannon:really liked her justification, actually, after the interview. And
Shannon:they're kind of, like, going at it with one another, and she says, we're artists.
Shannon:We're passionate. Like, I thought that that was, like, a smart
Shannon:writing. Just.
Leif:Anyway, like, I feel like they could have done
Leif:something before this where they showed,
Leif:like, oh, Agnes is just using Jenny.
Shannon:Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Leif:Which they could set that up in, like, one scene.
Leif:Yeah.
Shannon:You know, but if she's gonna, like, use her to her
Shannon:own advantage and not self sabotage, like, Agnes
Shannon:shouldn't go to the interviews.
Leif:Well, yeah, but I think. I think, again, I think they're trying to
Leif:show someone who is mentally stable, but you're doing a very poor job
Leif:of it.
Leif:Yeah. And I. And I kind of had that same.
Leif:Sort of, like, they want her to be. Oh, my God.
Leif:They want her to be explosive and. Yeah.
Leif:And, Yeah. And I just thought that this
Leif:was a bad scene to do it in. You know?
Leif:I mean, she literally says, I am crazy.
Shannon:Yeah, she does.
Leif:Yeah, you're great.
Shannon:I'm crazy.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:Blair is excitedly talking to
Leif:her mother about Eleanor's new boyfriend while Dorota prepares
Leif:for his arrival. However, when Cyrus
Leif:arrives, he is clearly not what Blair
Leif:expected.
Shannon:First of all, why does it matter to Blair that,
Shannon:like, her mom's boyfriend is attractive?
Leif:I mean, it shouldn't but Blair is all about image, so I totally
Leif:get it.
Shannon:Yeah.
Leif:Yeah. And I don't think that it. And going
Leif:with that, I don't think it's, like, attractive, to
Leif:her that she wants to be attracted to them. She
Leif:wants her mom and. And stepdad to look good next
Leif:to each other.
Leif:Yeah.
Shannon:I don't know. I feel, like, a little creeped out by. In the scene pro, and
Shannon:she's like, oh. Like, my mom has always had good taste
Shannon:in men.
Leif:I do have that written down. I do actually have that in
Leif:the earlier scene. She's too excited about getting a
Leif:stepdad.
Shannon:yeah. I also. I think not
Shannon:enough is a risky catchphrase.
Shannon:I just want to point that it's cute at first. It's like,
Shannon:oh, give me a hug. Not enough.
Shannon:Maybe he's around cooking dinner. It's like you
Shannon:throw in a little garlic. Not enough. Then, like,
Shannon:one day, it's his birthday, you get him this sweet,
Shannon:thoughtful, really promising present, and he
Shannon:opens it up, and he's.
Shannon:You're cheating on me. Am I not enough for you?
Leif:You think, where have you
Leif:been? I
Leif:also love the line when she goes Deroda. Are you
Leif:insane? I don't know.
Shannon:I don't know. I like that one.
Shannon:Honest.
Leif:Yeah. And, like, just, like. So why did. I don't
Leif:know.
Shannon:Like, she went to, like, a different place.
Leif:Chuck is trying to bond with his father, but Bart
Leif:completely blows him off. Poor Chuck.
Shannon:such a cold line. Like a, nice
Shannon:thought, but misguided as
Shannon:usual.
Leif:Just beat a dick to be a dick.
Leif:Yeah. It's like, how can I crush my
Leif:son today?
Leif:How can we make the audience feel sorry for Chuck
Leif:Moore?
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:Yeah. It's ridiculously, And the fact that he
Leif:immediately wants to go and dance.
Leif:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Shannon:There's nothing like a teen girl loves more than, like, a guy with
Shannon:daddy
Shannon:verified.
Leif:Yeah. Teen girls
Leif:love you, Robin.
Leif:Dan is meeting with Shapiro to get
Leif:his letter of recommendation. However, that letter also
Leif:comes with a job offer that involves investigating Bart
Leif:bass. Apparently, writing a short fiction
Leif:qualifies. Wanting to become an undercover investigator.
Leif:Reporter. I mean. Yeah, I wrote a couple of short
Leif:stories, so I'm an undercover reporter now.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:For the New Yorker.
Leif:For the New Yorker. What? Who in their right
Leif:fucking mind goes to a teenager and is like, hey,
Leif:you used to date. You're his
Leif:stepdaughter's ex boyfriend.
Leif:Can you dig up some dirt for us?
Leif:You're friends with him, son.
Shannon:The way he says it, he does say it like a raider, that he's like you dated the
Shannon:stepdaughter. You know, son,
Shannon:so weirdly worded.
Leif:We get a needle drop as sex on fire
Leif:by the kings of Leon plays. As Serena is standing
Leif:in Times Square and sees herself on one of the big
Leif:screensh, Aaron shows up and asks
Leif:Serena to pose for him. Then, they make out in front of
Leif:everyone in times fair to see right up on the bis big
Leif:screen.
Shannon:What?
Leif:So creepy.
Leif:Yeah.
Shannon:I literally wrote barf
Shannon:right down to.
Leif:The fucking kings of Leon song. Right down to sex
Leif:on fire being like their new theme
Leif:song.
Shannon:And like, I feel like I have too much to say about
Shannon:this.
Leif:And it gets creepier.
Leif:It does? Yeah.
Steve:Yeah, this is.
Leif:Well, I mean, like, yeah, but
Leif:like, yeah. Hey, can you meet me in Times Square?
Leif:And hey, just look around because guess who else is looking at
Leif:you? Everyone.
Leif:Of course. Cerita would love that.
Leif:Yeah.
Shannon:I don't know if you've been to times square, but it is actually
Shannon:factually like the point
Shannon:on the earth's surface that is closest to hell.
Shannon:And there's no way this scene
Shannon:completely broke any suspension of disbelief that I have because
Shannon:Times Square, there's no way, first of all, that you can
Shannon:afford to put a live stream of an
Shannon:image of your girlfriend, like, on one of those
Shannon:televisions. And then there's no way the crowd would not, would just like
Shannon:walk by like no big deal. Like everybody would be
Shannon:photobombing that.
Leif:My only when I saw
Leif:him have her up there. I'm under the
Leif:impression that part of Aaron's, like,
Leif:art is like computer
Leif:savvy and shit like that, that it was somehow a
Leif:Hackley thing, that he somehow, that was my
Leif:impression.
Leif:That also he is super rich and.
Leif:He is super rich.
Leif:He is from the upper west and he went to summer
Leif:camp in Switzerland.
Leif:Yeah, yeah. And I mean, his dad is a
Leif:corporate lawyer on
Leif:an entertainment lawyer. but he was also one of, but he
Leif:was also one of Eleanor's.
Leif:Lawyers for the divorce proceeding.
Leif:Yeah. Oh, for the divorce, that's right.
Leif:Which is also weird.
Leif:Yeah. Why would he be? Yeah, why?
Leif:Well, don't worry about it.
Shannon:Aaron did have two lines in the scene as well that, like, also
Shannon:made me throw up in my mouth, which was the first one was
Shannon:like, I've shown you the most beautiful places I know and
Shannon:now I'm showing them you,
Shannon:which is awful. And then after, like, she's like,
Shannon:oh, my God, we're on the screen. How'd you do it? He's like, this is
Shannon:nothing. I want you to pose for me.
Leif:But apparently gossip girl execus spotted.
Leif:Sna brings sexy back to Times
Leif:Square. Move over Disney. 42nd
Leif:street is steaming up.
Shannon:I don't get it.
Shannon:Yeah, Disney. And why move over Disney? I don't get that.
Leif:I think the officer, used to be
Leif:in Times Square.
Leif:Well, at around that time, Times Square
Leif:was, like, right before that, Times Square was
Leif:like, a porn hub. Like, you could just. It was
Leif:all, like, sex shops and porn shops, and
Leif:then New York had this big effort to clean it up,
Leif:and so in order to clean it up, they basically.
Leif:Disney basically bought out times square,
Leif:and. And, like, there's all kinds
Leif:of Disney shit there.
Shannon:I actually get it now. Okay. So, like, yeah,
Shannon:sna it is, kind of.
Leif:Yeah.
Shannon:because they're bringing the porn back. Okay.
Leif:Yeah, I. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Leif:And, ah, we move into act two at
Leif:school, Blair and Serena have a conversation
Leif:about Cyrus, who is a hugger, and it has a
Leif:catchphrase. Serena is still on cloud nine because
Leif:of her date with Aaron.
Shannon:Okay, this is. I was telling Steve on the way down here,
Shannon:like, I researched something for this because, like, I knew a little
Shannon:bit about it, but then I went down a rabbit hole. But I.
Shannon:Blair says to her something about, like, oh,
Shannon:like, you don't want to be his muse. Or she says, like, oh, I
Shannon:can be his muse, and, like, I can be, his lover
Shannon:and muse to famous artists like Picasso. There's lots of women who
Shannon:have done it. Picasso, like, beat the shit out
Shannon:of all of his, like, girlfriends and wives. He
Shannon:was, like, a terrible human being. It's like,
Shannon:serena, bad, bad example.
Leif:Someone doesn't understand art. Yeah.
Leif:I actually, wrote down one of Blair's quotes for the scene.
Leif:Serena, a guy starts out in his blue period, and
Leif:everything is great, but it's only a matter of time before he's
Leif:into cubism. M. And it's another girl's eye coming out of her
Leif:forehead.
Leif:Yeah. I love it. Yeah.
Shannon:Truly. That was great. She also refers to Cyrus as
Shannon:a gnome in this scene.
Leif:Well, he's the first million. That's why he's got the charisma
Leif:boost.
Leif:We were talking about our super niche d and d
Leif:references on the way.
Shannon:Up, only for our listeners, who both like gossip
Shannon:girl and dungeons and dragons.
Leif:You know, they're peppered throughout.
Leif:They're trying to expand their base.
Shannon:Yeah.
Leif:Dan gets an interview with Bart by flattering
Leif:Bart and putting his own, dad down. Not only that,
Leif:but Dan gets to shadow Bart for two days
Leif:a week. Dan is, like, a super master
Leif:manipulator here.
Shannon:Yeah.
Leif:Yeah. Throwing Rufus under the bus like
Leif:that.
Leif:You saw how that lit Bart's eyes upennesse. He
Leif:loved that.
Leif:Yeah. Like, he and dan knew
Leif:it. Yeah.
Shannon:I kind of wish the writers had leaned into that more. Like, I feel like
Shannon:they made Bart a little too gullible in this entire episode, and,
Shannon:like, they kind of pushed him into, like, buying
Shannon:Dan's stuff. And if they made it more petty and about, like, him
Shannon:wanting to get it rufus, I would have dug that. If they,
Shannon:like, leaned into that.
Leif:I do wish that there was a.
Leif:Little bit more, but, like, I. Dan has superpowers,
Leif:apparently.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:As we'll see it in the upcoming scene.
Leif:And it's also really funny because
Leif:he uses his dad in this scene as
Leif:bait. And his dad earlier in this
Leif:episode says
Leif:in the first scene with the two of them, he says, I
Leif:know you don't approve of this. And he says, I don't believe in
Leif:using people to get what you want. And so now
Leif:he's using his dad
Leif:to get what he wants. And also, like,
Leif:in doing that, he's also, like, my dad was. You
Leif:know, his music never took off his
Leif:whatever, and, like, kind of throws that under the bus.
Leif:And in that earlier scene, it also is paralleled because he's
Leif:like, it's a good thing you're a musician and not an actor.
Leif:Yeah. You know, and there
Leif:is that, part of me that when I. When he said the thing about,
Leif:I don't believe in using people, and I do have this
Leif:kind of belief that most of the people that
Leif:you look up to that are musicians and stuff
Leif:like that got there by being shitty at some point or
Leif:another to other people. And maybe
Leif:Rufus never did the shitty thing to stab someone
Leif:in the back to really take his career where it could have
Leif:gone.
Leif:You know, we already kind of established that he
Leif:quit because of his kids. He, like, we just saw
Leif:he turned out another tour. Yeah, the
Leif:college stadium tour.
Leif:Yeah. That's why he resents Jenny. Yeah.
Leif:Dan could have been. Dan could have handled it on his
Leif:own.
Leif:But Jenny is freaking out on Agnes for
Leif:flaking out, but Agnes is hungover and couldn't
Leif:care less. When Agnes leaves to go to sleep it
Leif:off, Jenny goes behind her back to try and make a
Leif:solo meeting with the business manager from earlier.
Leif:This was the first time Robin noticed the vitamin
Leif:water. Robin was like, does vitamin
Leif:water sponsor this episode? And I'm like, yeah,
Leif:they sponsor the show.
Leif:They pop up a lot.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:Another pyramid of vitamin water.
Leif:Yeah.
Shannon:For the record, throughout this episode, I completely
Shannon:backed Jenny. Like, backing yourself like, I
Shannon:completely disappointed, and I, like, am, in her corner.
Leif:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Leif:I agree completely.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:Bart is inviting Dan to the Rangers game that he had
Leif:zero interest. With Chuck back at
Leif:act one, Chuck enters the room and has a.
Leif:Has his cold, black heart broken yet
Leif:again?
Shannon:It's such a dick move.
Leif:I have no time for games with
Leif:you, Chuck.
Leif:But this. But my new son.
Leif:My new son. I can take my chosen
Leif:son, the son I
Leif:choose. That Eric's not available.
Leif:Yeah. I mean, it's so
Leif:blatantly manipulative.
Leif:Yeah, yeah.
Shannon:It's like he's trying to hurt Chuck's feelings.
Leif:It's actively trying to hurt Chuck's feelings just to
Leif:get the audience on Chuck side.
Shannon:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Leif:It's at all.
Shannon:Writers are trying.
Leif:Yeah, the writers are trying to just bury Chuck. But also,
Leif:I love how Chuck is like, wait a second.
Leif:Like, what's Dan Humphrey doing
Leif:here? And then we
Leif:get, like, the Batman look, as he likes, like.
Leif:Like, puts together. Like, this shouldn't be
Leif:happening.
Leif:Cyrus gets Eleanor tickets to see Cindy
Leif:Lauper during Blair's party, but suddenly Blair
Leif:desperately wants Eleanor at her first grown up
Leif:party. B, maybe you should start acting like a
Leif:grown up, and people will treat you like one.
Leif:I mean, yeah, I actually don't have any notes on
Leif:that because I think Eleanor. I think Eleanor did
Leif:everything that was needed to be done in that scene.
Leif:Why would you want to go to your kids 18th? why would she want
Leif:you?
Leif:Why? I never wanted my
Leif:parents. I didn't want my parents at my younger
Leif:parties.
Leif:Like, jenny is once again
Leif:meeting with the manager, this time without Agnes.
Leif:However, the manager tells her she will need her parents signature
Leif:because she is under 18.
Leif:Is Agnes 17? They established
Leif:in an earlier episode that Agnes is 17.
Leif:She might already be emancipated or her.
Leif:But she was.
Shannon:M. Signed the papers, maybe. And now Benny.
Shannon:On her own. Yeah, the guy
Shannon:did confirm in the scene, though. He was like, oh. Like, she's like, I'm working
Shannon:on my own now. And he's like, glad to hear it.
Leif:Also, he thought she was over 18,
Leif:too.
Shannon:Yeah. And then I love how he's just like,
Shannon:oh, we just need your parents to sign the
Shannon:papers. What papers?
Leif:No, the papers, Shannon.
Shannon:The papers.
Leif:The papers.
Shannon:The writers are just like.
Leif:I think he said incorporation papers, didn't he?
Shannon:No, he. I checked. He just says the. I'm pretty
Shannon:sure he just says the papers.
Leif:it takes me back to the Muppet movie, the first
Leif:Muppet movie, where it's like, we would like the rich
Leif:and famous contract and they're like, here you
Leif:go.
Leif:Aaron is preparing to photograph and then
Leif:possibly murder Serena. This
Leif:seriously looks like a kill room from Dexter.
Leif:Yeah.
Shannon:Yeah, it does. Yeah.
Leif:And he starts taking the pictures and she's like, what do you want me to
Leif:do to me? Like, I'm thinking like
Leif:a dude and especially like, me in my twenties with an
Leif:r as an art. Like, if I was doing this, if I was
Leif:trying to pull the shit that Aaron is trying to pull, the
Leif:words try less and
Leif:try nothing at all don't sound like directions
Leif:to me. They sound
Leif:more like requests for
Leif:what he wants her modeling.
Shannon:Yeah. The only feedback he gave her was don't cover your face. And then
Shannon:I could, like, feel her. Like you. Like if you are
Shannon:photographing a model, like you want them to feel comfortable. And I could feel
Shannon:how uncomfortable. I felt uncomfortable the whole scene.
Shannon:Anytime he's on camera, I feel uncomfortable.
Leif:He's so fucking creepy.
Shannon:He's so creepy. Every scene he's in, my note is
Shannon:Barfdeze.
Shannon:Yeah.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:Dan isn't the only one doing some investigating.
Leif:We see Chuck has trailed Dan to the New York magazine,
Leif:where it just so happens there's an intern that Chuck
Leif:presumably slept with.
Shannon:Wait, Steve, can you, like, help me understand
Shannon:this? This is another gossip girl quote that I didn't
Shannon:understand because she goes like, did Brooklyn boy
Shannon:think he could bury the bone in the backyard and
Shannon:no one would find it? Every bass will have his
Shannon:day. I'm like mixing metaphors
Shannon:or.
Leif:Yes. Yeah, the first one is obviously,
Leif:you know, you can bury, you know, the dog
Leif:buries the bone. That's the old cartoon.
Shannon:I just didn't know if every bass will have his days, like, connected
Shannon:to.
Leif:No, I don't think so.
Leif:Yeah, I think that they just didn't know how to finish
Leif:that thought.
Shannon:Okay.
Leif:Yeah, pretty much.
Leif:And I have, my note is that you can't out Chuck. Chuck.
Leif:Serena arrives at the apartment the next day and
Leif:enters his creepy shrine to her. Things
Leif:appear to be progressing to sexy times when
Leif:Erens next model shows up and puts
Leif:Serena in the metaphorical cold shower.
Leif:Hes such a fucking creep. And hes an even
Leif:bigger creep for not having a conversation
Leif:about his polyamory
Leif:ahead of time. And, like, I know we havent gotten there
Leif:yet, but, like, when someone else shows up and after
Leif:you've been, like, doing all this creepy shit, and
Leif:then.
Shannon:It'S like, yeah, she was like, a little bit
Shannon:cringe in saying, like, I thought modeling was our thing.
Shannon:Like, right in front of the girl.
Leif:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Shannon:quite cool. Yeah.
Leif:But that's the whole reason why Serena likes them, though,
Leif:is cause she can be the muse.
Shannon:Yeah, I did kind of. Like, I had a little. Like, I identified with Serena in
Shannon:the scene. Cause she does the thing of, like, she's feeling
Shannon:insecure about something, so she just says it out loud. She's like, oh, my
Shannon:God. I should be cool and mysterious and stop talking.
Shannon:Like, kiss. Yay.
Leif:Dan gets a mysterious email to meet someone who
Leif:claims to have info on Bart.
Leif:He's on the job one day, and people are studying.
Leif:Yeah. Yeah.
Leif:It's like, ok, how did this guy find Dan?
Leif:Yeah. And. And how is that
Leif:not suspicious to you? Dan, which is I.
Leif:Which is my note for when they actually, like, meet up,
Leif:is, like, why? I, like,
Leif:whoa, someone's just reaching out to me, even though
Leif:absolutely no one on fucking earth knows I'm
Leif:doing this.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:Blair is complaining to Eleanor about Cyrus
Leif:at breakfast, but Eleanor is glowing with, quote unquote,
Leif:love is here and is hearing none of
Leif:it. When Eleanor leaves to get ready for
Leif:her date, Blair tells Derota that it's time for a
Leif:scheme. That was a Grace Kelly.
Leif:Yep.
Shannon:Yeah, I am Grace Kelly. Grace Kelly is me. And,
Shannon:yeah. Done with it.
Leif:she didn't mention this in this scene, but the thing with Blair
Leif:is Grace Kelly and are Grace Jones.
Leif:I hear their dark sides are Grace Jones.
Leif:Dan is meeting with the tipster, who is
Leif:surprised at Dan's age. The man claims Bart
Leif:committed arson and insurance fraud in order to
Leif:build his empire.
Shannon:Yeah, this was a stupid, unbelievable scene. Like, in addition
Shannon:to the Times Square one.
Leif:Yeah. And, like, the. Where
Leif:it's unbelievable is that Dan fucking believed
Leif:it. But, like. Like, you know, this guy
Leif:is, like. And. And we'll get to this,
Leif:too, that the information is accurate.
Leif:So Chuck gave him this
Leif:guy. You know, like, clearly, like, this was
Leif:orchestrated by Chuck.
Shannon:Right.
Leif:This guy reaching out to Dan. I can only,
Leif:I don't think. I did not think that that's. I
Leif:think it was just, like, dan is, like, super powered
Leif:journalist. He's good at everything.
Leif:Okay. All right. I actually got the
Leif:impression that this was Chuck's scheme of, I'm
Leif:gonna out him by getting him to go.
Shannon:And, like, that's an interesting, like, interpretation.
Shannon:like, I kind of wish the.
Leif:Writers did do that, but
Leif:I think. I really think it was just. Dan is the
Leif:superhero.
Leif:Yeah.
Shannon:I think it's literally, like, nobody on earth knows.
Shannon:Like, you're right. Nobody knows. And so your
Shannon:explanation made more sense, but
Shannon:at the end of the day, nobody knows. And he somehow met
Shannon:a knowing.
Leif:By my experience with these writers, I think they were just kind of
Leif:saying, you know, Dan is just really good at things.
Leif:Yeah.
Shannon:I knew what you're working on, but not that you're 18,
Shannon:but now.
Leif:That we've had this discussion, it makes me just lose even
Leif:worse.
Leif:That is kind of funny. You thought that.
Leif:Yeah, I would. Because I. Because, like, would I. Would anyone put
Leif:it past Chuck? No, like, Chuck. It's not like Chuck
Leif:to go after his dad if he thinks he can clearly
Leif:patch it up, you know? And that's why
Leif:I went there.
Shannon:Like, I love that your brain came up with an explanation that,
Shannon:like, the writers were too lazy to tell.
Leif:Dan is telling Rufus about the story,
Leif:who advises Dan to be cautious with releasing the
Leif:info, as Serena and Lily could get hit in the crossfire.
Leif:Their conversation is interrupted when Rufus gets a call
Leif:from Allison regarding Jenny.
Shannon:My note for Rufus this entire episode.
Shannon:Wrong and strong.
Leif:Like, so, yeah, this is kind of interesting. I was
Leif:thinking about this today, or, last night when I watched the
Leif:episode. This. The show is kind of
Leif:retconning reality. They're saying the moral
Leif:thing is to bury this, you know,
Leif:huge crime that happened.
Shannon:Yeah, yeah.
Leif:The moral thing is to hide this huge crime.
Leif:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Leif:So they are retconning reality.
Leif:I was trying to understand my note for a second. Then I. Then I
Leif:flat. Then I, Now I'm remembering the scene that this. This is
Leif:where Dan and Rufus are talking. Rufus, like, you're gonna ruin that
Leif:whole family.
Shannon:Yeah, yeah.
Leif:And it's like.
Leif:And, like, at this point, it's just. It's just arson insurance for us,
Leif:right. But we're gonna find out that it's also
Leif:manslaughter.
Leif:Yeah, yeah, yeah. And. And I.
Leif:And I might.
Shannon:But.
Leif:But I'm saying, like, if Bart's an arsonist, right?
Leif:Like, why I. Why is Rufus just like.
Shannon:Oh, well, yeah, yeah, I guess, like, you could make the
Shannon:argument that, this has been my brain correcting
Shannon:for the writer's mistake. It's like, maybe it's because he, like, still
Shannon:loves Lily and he's trying to protect her, but it's like he comes
Shannon:across as just, like, Dan. No, no,
Shannon:no. This is not the moral thing to do. Like, think about
Shannon:their family. And it's like, if. If they. If the family
Shannon:comes under fire, it's Bart's fault, not your
Shannon:son.
Leif:And also, I mean, yeah, be tough for a little
Leif:while for Lily, but she would get through it. She's not
Leif:involved in this at all.
Leif:And how. How tough would it be for Lily?
Leif:Lily is not.
Leif:She would be in the press for a few months.
Leif:Yeah, but she wouldn't be. But financially she
Leif:wouldn't.
Leif:That's why I say she would get through it. But it would be. Yeah, it would be a
Leif:tumultuous few months while she's in the press and whatnot.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:Which, like, which he would hate.
Leif:Which, here's another leg. Like, a. The writers
Leif:probably didn't think of it. Theory on it, though, is with
Leif:that he loves her because, like, rufus
Leif:is really telling his kids, don't use people
Leif:to get what you want. Don't use people to get what you want.
Leif:So he can't really say, oh, but publish that
Leif:story, because then that's going to give him what
Leif:he wants, a single lily. So maybe
Leif:there's, like, a little bit of a, I can't now tell
Leif:my kid to go do the thing that's going to give me what
Leif:I want after telling him that that's bad. But also,
Leif:I don't think that that's bad.
Shannon:What it is. Like, it just keeps snowballing because now
Shannon:my brain is like, well, maybe his, like, head fell off after, like, they
Shannon:got married, and now he just, like, has no sense of right and
Shannon:wrong. He's just taking it out on his kids. Like,
Shannon:he's just, like, angry all the time.
Leif:Yeah. I mean, well, and we discuss often about how
Leif:he parents his children differently.
Shannon:Yeah. And season two.
Leif:Yeah. And then how Dan is. And, like,
Leif:here, he does give Dan the tough love when Dan's doing things
Leif:that he doesn't.
Shannon:Oh, you mean he parents Jenny and.
Leif:Yeah, yeah. And then Jenny, it's
Leif:like, you know, I'm going to shit on your dreams
Leif:every step.
Shannon:Yeah.
Leif:so also with this scene going back to our conversation
Leif:from last week, Steve, where you. We
Leif:were disagreeing on whether Dan ratted out
Leif:Jenny.
Leif:Right, right.
Leif:It's. Dan and Jenny are clearly still close because she's still
Leif:calling and talking to.
Leif:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Leif:So even if he did, it was more of a situation where he. He
Leif:just got caught and he didn't. He couldn't lie right through his
Leif:face.
Leif:And that was mine.
Leif:And she didn't blame him.
Leif:Yeah, that was my impression. But you're right. She doesn't blame him.
Leif:So Blair is at a restaurant with
Leif:Cyrus, pumping him for information. Cyrus
Leif:reveals a story about falling in love with another woman while
Leif:overseas in the military, even though the woman died
Leif:he still divorced his wife when he returned home. he sure
Leif:did.
Leif:Now, he met this other person in
Leif:Vietnam, which ended in
Leif:1975.
Leif:oh. we're gonna do mathematic.
Leif:So that means that he was married.
Leif:That the latest that he could have
Leif:met the golden lion. Right? Golden lion. That was what
Leif:she called her, is
Leif:1975. So that means he was
Leif:married in 1975, and he came
Leif:home and divorced his wife. So that would seem that
Leif:he would be divorced no later than
Leif:1976, which puts
Leif:Aaron's birthday
Leif:about 15 years before
Leif:Serena's,
Leif:at a minimum.
Leif:At a minimum, she would be born in
Leif:1990. If she's 17
Leif:now, maybe he's just.
Shannon:Like, on his, like, 10th college degree.
Leif:Well, he's graduating. He's no longer in school. like, they've
Leif:said that he went to college.
Shannon:God, he's even creepy.
Leif:Yeah. So, like, unless something comes out that
Leif:he's from a different marriage, then he's.
Leif:Then. Then he would have.
Leif:I don't think it's ever confirmed or denied. Cyrus
Leif:said otherwise or not.
Leif:So. So in the interim,
Leif:eight plus 15 is 23.
Leif:So she was eight, and he was 23 when they were married.
Leif:With their little licorice rings that he
Leif:kept. That he kept
Leif:turning Jackson ten for another
Leif:nine years.
Leif:Oh, boy. Oh, boy.
Leif:That's fucked up.
Leif:Yeah.
Shannon:Yeah. I mean, one of my notes, too, was like. And when it gets
Shannon:revealed that he's Aaron's father, I was like, why?
Leif:Yes.
Shannon:That we didn't need that. That didn't need to happen. And now we
Shannon:have even.
Leif:It's because the books. It's because of the book.
Shannon:They've deviated, but they kept Ed Westwick around. They
Shannon:can deviate from the books here.
Leif:But, I mean, that's. That's where the characters were, that they
Leif:stole the names from the book characters. I don't know
Leif:why they decided to do that.
Leif:Yeah. And it felt very much like the,
Leif:you know, a throwback to the. The laziness of the duchess
Leif:and. And. And, Marcus,
Leif:you know, like, they're just.
Leif:They happen to be related.
Leif:Yeah. Oh, and they're related now, too. And.
Leif:And it was just such a throw away. Like, he's
Leif:my son and he's been doing this. We'll get to
Leif:that.
Shannon:I feel like I came into this recording not really with
Shannon:the, the mindset of, like, the. The writing was really lazy this
Shannon:whole episode now. Like, it was.
Leif:It really was.
Shannon:I can catch it. You've convinced me.
Leif:Yeah. Like, my grade on paper
Leif:is now going down.
Leif:I think it is. Mine is as well.
Leif:Yeah. Yeah, mine has definitely dropped quite a bit now that
Leif:we're, like, really finding a lot of this.
Shannon:Yeah. One thing I do like about the scene that I did
Shannon:like is that, again, Leighton's acting
Shannon:is so good. She barely has any lines. And the way
Shannon:that she goes from fake scheming, like, interested what
Shannon:he's saying to, like, actually, like, dreamy eye it over what he was
Shannon:saying, it's just.
Leif:Like, yeah, she's bored that she sees. She finds
Leif:something she can use, and she locked right in.
Leif:I also think because Blair's a
Leif:romantic, I feel like she did, in her heart,
Leif:have, like, a, oh, that's a sweet story. Like, I
Leif:did get that vibe from her, and I think that the
Leif:whole thought is, oh, this really is a sweet story that
Leif:I used to. because
Leif:we also really see that, like, cyrus really is, like, a
Leif:loving, very pragmatic, but also
Leif:very heartfelt and loving guy. and I have
Leif:the note that he felt true love but not high
Leif:adventure.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:Serena calls erin to invite him out
Leif:on a date, but finds out that he is still hanging out
Leif:with Daniel.
Shannon:One of serena's favorite places is
Shannon:the old puppet theater in central
Shannon:park.
Leif:Sure, sure.
Leif:It's probably one of his, too.
Leif:I mean, he's probably taken many dates to the
Leif:puppet show in central bois.
Leif:30 years old.
Shannon:probably fucking the puppets.
Leif:The poor puppeteer gets to his house, he's like,
Leif:did you bring him?
Leif:Go get him. Go. Go get him. Well, I'm not here for
Leif:you.
Shannon:I'm glad that you both agree about aaron, because we had not talked about
Shannon:this. Yeah.
Leif:Also, my note here is serena. He's banging other
Leif:women.
Leif:Looks like bee's prophecy came true.
Leif:One day you're the muse, the next day, you're old
Leif:news.
Leif:Eleanor knows her kid. Wait, wait. Am I the right
Leif:place? Never mind. I, skipped the scene.
Leif:Eleanor confronts Blair about her lunch with
Leif:Cyrus. Blair reveals that Cyrus cheated
Leif:on his ex wife. This has desired effect
Leif:because without context, it devastates
Leif:Eleanor.
Leif:Yeah. Yeah. First of all, I love that Eleanor just knows
Leif:her kids so fucking. Yeah, she knows her so
Leif:well. But also, like, without the context of, like,
Leif:yeah, he had an affair in the
Leif:seventies with his, with his ex
Leif:wife. Yeah, like, it was the
Leif:seven. Like, what?
Leif:I don't think the time would have affected that. I
Leif:think it was more of the fact that he never loved the first
Leif:wife.
Leif:Well, that too. Yeah.
Leif:Like, it really like a marriage of, convenience when he's about to
Leif:ship off to war.
Leif:Yeah, yeah, yeah. There is a. But, yeah, I think that
Leif:there. Yeah, there's a. There's a bunch of things here that are like,
Leif:that make the context very important.
Leif:But I don't think the 30 years would have mattered to Eleanor
Leif:at all.
Leif:No, I could see that. I think I get you there.
Leif:The business manager's assistant makes the blunder
Leif:of the episode when she calls Agnes's
Leif:phone, trying to reach Jenny. Agnes
Leif:learning of Jenny's betrayal goes
Leif:ballistic. This fucking assistant.
Leif:Yeah.
Shannon:Is this where the dress.
Leif:No, no, this is just.
Leif:Yes, this is where she finds out. Oh, okay. The
Leif:assistant tries to call Jenny, but. Oh, I mixed up. You must have mixed up up
Leif:your phone numbers.
Shannon:Well, and no, she. Jenny, I think, called from.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:no, she said. She says, I must have mixed up your
Leif:phone.
Steve:She.
Leif:She does say that, but I think that we're supposed to
Leif:believe that it's because she did steal the
Leif:number. She goes into Agnes's phone. She did
Leif:use Agnes's phone, make the.
Shannon:Writing for the show again.
Leif:So I. Yeah, yeah.
Shannon:I don't know.
Leif:And, ah, then we move into act three.
Leif:At Blair's party, the minions are desperate for Dick.
Leif:Serena is depressed about Erin. Blair
Leif:forces her way to comforts the.
Shannon:Rita I love when the one minion is like, like, about
Shannon:Aaron and Serena. Like, oh, he totally loves you and Blair.
Shannon:Just side by
Shannon:side.
Leif:I did a quick double take because for a second, I thought the waiter was
Leif:Tom Felton.
Leif:Oh, no.
Leif:Do you know who that is?
Leif:No, I don't. Draco.
Leif:Malfoy.
Shannon:Oh, now I have to watch
Shannon:back. Ah.
Leif:Was it not him or.
Leif:No, it's just some goofy looking blind.
Leif:Kid contest winner,
Leif:probably.
Leif:Yes. Jenny arrives back at
Leif:Agnes's place to find Agnes carrying Jenny's dresses
Leif:outside. She proceeds to throw them into the metal
Leif:trash can, douse them with lighter fluid
Leif:before setting them ablaze. Jenny
Leif:is forced to watch in horror as her
Leif:dreams literally go up in smoke.
Leif:Not only that, but Jenny is running out of
Leif:places to stay.
Shannon:Yeah. Okay, so here we have the dress burning.
Leif:I want to teach Jenny two fighting moves.
Leif:One is a good, like, you know, but the other one is just.
Leif:Or just slap it about her.
Leif:Yeah, or just slap that shit out of her hand. Jenny should have
Leif:fucked her up. Jenny should have, like, thrown some fucking
Leif:punches at that point.
Shannon:Yeah, I felt like her as an actress. Like, Like you could feel it. Like
Shannon:it. I think everybody watching that feels that way. It's like, oh,
Shannon:come on, like, do something. Like, push her. Like, you would actually, like, fight this girl. But
Shannon:it's like, I think she played off what she was
Shannon:probably, like, told to do directly. Crying. Yeah. So,
Shannon:like, I was willing to kind of, like, set that aside for
Shannon:now because to me, this is, like, ignoring the fact that
Shannon:she didn't try to, like, push agnes away. This is the most
Shannon:traumatic scene in the entire show
Shannon:for me personally.
Leif:Like, yeah, it is.
Shannon:I really, really love Jenny's season two
Shannon:arc, and I feel like. Like, I love this
Shannon:idea of somebody being undeniable at something. It's the, you know,
Shannon:it's like you're not just. You're not. You don't just have a hobby.
Shannon:You have a craft. Like, you're an artist. And the idea of, like, a young
Shannon:person being undeniable at something and then
Shannon:wanting, like, having, like, a, ah, life calling that's
Shannon:beckoning them and just having.
Leif:It there and having it right there, and it's literally
Leif:going up and fleeing.
Shannon:And, like, I would cry if somebody deleted my save
Shannon:of Baldur's gate three. Like,
Shannon:I can't imagine my life's work
Shannon:going up in flames.
Leif:Yeah. My other note
Leif:on this scene was the bad pyro
Leif:was that she sprays the stuff on, drops the match in, and then
Leif:there's, like, there's, like, a tiny little flame and there's, like,
Leif:a.
Leif:Yeah, come on, hit the fucking button.
Shannon:Yeah.
Leif:Ah.
Shannon:I think Agnes in the scene actually does make good points
Shannon:in terms of, like, how she is valuable to their
Shannon:partnership and, like, the connections that she's gotten her.
Shannon:A gorilla, like, fashion show, like, all that stuff. But it's
Shannon:like, it is still Jenny's designs.
Shannon:She is the designer. You are like, it's her
Shannon:work. It should have her name on it. Those dresses do not
Shannon:belong to you, Agnes. But I do in terms of, like, if I
Shannon:were to compare.
Leif:But, yes, she should probably get 50% of the money,
Leif:though.
Shannon:That's, like, fine, but, like, it still should be under Jenny's
Shannon:control.
Leif:Yeah, but she should be, definitely guiding
Leif:it.
Shannon:Yeah. And I just. I do
Shannon:like comparing, like, Agnes to Georgina
Shannon:sparks. I think Agnes is a much better crazy. Even though it's like,
Shannon:it's still like, okay, we have a crazy girl. But I do just
Shannon:love Jenny being like, are you insane? And, like, that earlier, her
Shannon:just being like, yes,
Shannon:yes, I'm insane.
Leif:To,
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:Will holland. back at the party, Serena meets
Leif:Cyrus, who turns out to be Aaron's dad. Cyrus
Leif:comes the serena to give Aaron, or, Cyrus
Leif:convinces Serena to give Aaron yet another chance.
Leif:WTF? Serena?
Leif:First of all, why do they need to be related. We kind of talked about that.
Shannon:why?
Leif:But the other thought that I'm. That I had was where he's
Leif:like, where she's like, you know what? I'm gonna go to him right
Leif:now.
Shannon:Written down, too.
Leif:But, like, you're his dad. Does his dad not
Leif:know that he bangs, like, half of
Leif:the bangs, all these models? Because, like,
Leif:that's really bad wingmanship if you do
Leif:know to be like, yeah, go on and visit him. I'm sure there's no
Leif:one there right now. Yeah.
Shannon:Ah. My note was more. So, like, why does Serena. Every time
Shannon:Serena learns something about eren, she just drops
Shannon:whatever she's doing. Like, I'm so sorry. I have to
Shannon:go. Stop. You had
Shannon:plans.
Leif:Honestly, though, now that you mentioned that
Leif:Serena does that all the time throughout this entire
Leif:show has just. Whenever she gets that one text, it's just
Leif:like, you know what? I'm good here. I'm going to the.
Leif:Like, she does. I gotta go.
Leif:Ah.
Leif:All the time. Cause she actually doesn't.
Leif:Like. It's definitely a meme.
Leif:Yeah. Is it really?
Leif:Yeah, I gotta go.
Shannon:I wish I was that, like, confident and. Yeah, like,
Shannon:bye.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:So on, this rewatch, I caught something.
Leif:Now, this is somewhat spoiler, but, you know,
Leif:Wallace character is recurring throughout the series,
Leif:and for pretty much a fan, I'm like, him and
Leif:Dorota are kind of, like, the two kind of flawless
Leif:characters in fandom. But watching this here,
Leif:he totally gaslights Serena in this scene.
Leif:yeah. Cuz, like, he's like, oh, he might m like,
Leif:she's, like, totally, like, right. That feeling that
Leif:he's, you know, Aaron's totally
Leif:sleepy with other people, and, oh, he must
Leif:really like you and blah, blah, blah.
Shannon:Yeah, I guess, like, the way I think of their whole
Shannon:thing is, like, I don't feel like. Like Aaron and Serena
Shannon:haven't committed to each other. And, like, if I was, you know, at
Shannon:that age in high school, I would be just as upset as her, and I feel,
Shannon:like, risk about the whole thing. But as an adult, it's like, you
Shannon:do kind of, like, some people do date, like,
Shannon:multiple people at the same time, and you're getting to know multiple people
Shannon:and figuring out who's right for you. So it's like the writers,
Shannon:like, through this weird adult concept on this,
Shannon:like, teenager, but, he might actually
Shannon:genuinely like Serena. Maybe Cyrus has
Shannon:picked up on that.
Leif:I agree that, but I feel like he's trying to tell
Leif:her what to feel.
Leif:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Leif:I think he's totally wing Manny for.
Shannon:His, he is wingman.
Leif:Yeah, for his son, and I. And, like. Like, on the one hand, I
Leif:don't. I don't think that the concept of wing manning
Leif:for your kid is necessarily in and of itself
Leif:back. Like, I talked my kid up his girlfriend, you know,
Leif:like that. I don't think that is a bad
Leif:thing. I think that if you know your
Leif:kid is polyamorous and
Leif:you're sending somebody who doesn't know, and you're saying, no, no,
Leif:nobody really likes you without also giving
Leif:her, like, oh, yeah, you know, he might also date other people, but he
Leif:really likes you. Like, there is an element of you
Leif:are you either don't know your kid
Leif:or you're holding something back from Serena.
Leif:And I would almost like to think he just doesn't know his kids,
Leif:you know?
Leif:But we see he's a smart guy. It picks up
Leif:on a lot of stuff.
Leif:Yeah. Yeah, he is.
Shannon:Yeah. I just wouldn't go so far as to call it gaslighting.
Shannon:I just would assume it's like. Like, almost like maybe he
Shannon:wanted to give her some reassurance, like, it. Maybe
Shannon:he does know, like, my kid does like you more than these other girls.
Shannon:But, yeah, you're right. He doesn't address the fact that, like, hey, you
Shannon:guys got to talk it out. I know he's seeing other girls, but
Shannon:he does feel this way about you. He doesn't frame it in that
Shannon:way. I wouldn't call it that gaslighting, but I
Shannon:would call it, like, okay, you're
Shannon:rushing a little stuff under the carpet.
Leif:Yeah. Yeah. You either don't know stuff or you're ignoring.
Shannon:Yeah.
Leif:Blair's scheme seems to have worked because Eleanor
Leif:sees Cyrus and throws him out of the party.
Shannon:How did you guys feel about her reaction in terms
Shannon:of, first of all, did you find it realistic? And then
Shannon:also, do you think it's an overreach reaction or, like,
Shannon:I.
Leif:It was definitely a bit overdramatic, but
Leif:it sort of makes sense in the context of she just
Leif:is been. She was burned so bad, but, yeah,
Leif:her first husband hiding stuff from her.
Leif:I know what you're kind of saying.
Leif:But, yes, it was definitely overdramatic.
Leif:Yeah, it was definitely. It was
Leif:definitely a five minute
Leif:scene crunched down into a
Leif:two minute into a 1 minute reaction,
Leif:which. Which I totally
Leif:know. What?
Shannon:Well, I actually, like, didn't know. I was, like, curious what you guys thought,
Shannon:because I feel like my initial knee jerk
Shannon:reaction is like, oh, come on. Like, you're not gonna have a conversation, but I
Shannon:actually do think that, like, depending on your life experiences, like,
Shannon:that's not how I would react to that kind of news, but, like, it. I
Shannon:think some people might like that. Might just.
Leif:Yeah, I'll.
Shannon:Context. Deal breaker.
Leif:Like, I felt like it was definitely in character for Eleanor.
Leif:Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also have the note that we receive
Leif:the most Wallace Sean bass in this.
Leif:When he looks over at her and he's got, like, the.
Shannon:Yeah, the lips go, like.
Leif:Yeah, flip out.
Leif:Yeah. And, like, the forehead all crunches down.
Leif:And Blair is shocked when Cindy
Leif:Lauper shows up to the party at the bequest of
Leif:her pal Cyrus rota is also a fan, but
Leif:Blair, grossly conscious and goes after Cyrus. Oh,
Leif:Blair and I throw it.
Leif:Yeah, yeah.
Leif:She's all starstruck.
Leif:Yeah. Misses Lawper,
Leif:Miss Lauper, Miss Lubber. She's so great.
Leif:Dan is meeting Bart with his, with puppy
Leif:dog eyes, confronts Bart about the
Leif:fire. Even Bart is hopeless to resist.
Leif:Those big Ernest Brown peepers. He not only
Leif:amidst starting the fire, but that someone died and said
Leif:fire. Chuck bursts in to cut his dad
Leif:off, but too late, the cat is already out of the
Leif:bag. Bart offers a bribe, which
Leif:Dan walked away from that.
Leif:So again, this is where I, at this point, I thought Chuck set
Leif:this thing up. Like, I thought that Chuck was like, yo, I'm gonna
Leif:catch Dan. Fucking.
Shannon:Yeah, that does make sense. There's an opportunity there where the
Shannon:writers done something.
Leif:Yeah. So then when he sees him and he's like,
Leif:dad, don't say another word. It's like I was
Leif:like, yo, did you set up your dad? And then,
Leif:like, once, you then realize that it was much fucking
Leif:worse because, you know, Chuck does that. Chuck sets up
Leif:these schemes and they blow up in his face,
Leif:especially in season three.
Leif:So the main reason why I don't think that story is the way
Leif:they're going is because in the scene with Dan and Rufus, when
Leif:they're talking about it, he, dad mentions he,
Leif:like, checked the story out and, like, check.
Leif:Yeah, yeah, he does. He does say that he did the fact check on
Leif:it. You're right. Yeah.
Shannon:Yeah.
Leif:And, well, clearly it did happen.
Shannon:Yeah. I think, like, even though, like, I find a,
Shannon:the scene also quite unbelievable that Bart would just,
Shannon:like, let that information go without
Shannon:anything.
Leif:Oh, my God.
Leif:He just couldn't resist Dan's eyes.
Shannon:Couldn't resist it.
Leif:So dreamy.
Shannon:I will say, though, when, like, when Dan
Shannon:says to him, like, like, and he's like, what's it gonna cost to make this go? And
Shannon:Dan's like, I don't want your money. I was like, I've never
Shannon:liked Dan Moore. And then this moment, because,
Shannon:I don't know, the idea of information being
Shannon:more powerful than money.
Leif:Yeah.
Shannon:Like, but.
Leif:But I mean, like, I love that. Like, I'm with you.
Leif:Like, I totally get it. Like, there. There was a show that I was
Leif:watching there. The. The show the blacklist when
Leif:it first came out that it's the James Spader show.
Leif:And the first season of it was fucking
Leif:awesome. And at least I loved it.
Leif:and it was just this guy didn't
Leif:need money for anything because he just
Leif:had so much fucking information on
Leif:so many people that that was his whole
Leif:currency. And it was just. It was hot.
Leif:It's funny you mentioned James Spader because I've seen
Leif:him mentioned several times and, like, multiple
Leif:threads on Buffy forums over the past, like, week or two
Leif:because, like, young fans are, like, just don't get the
Leif:reference from the pilot episode of James Spader being, like, a hot
Leif:guy.
Leif:That's so funny because he
Leif:is. Yeah. Oh, my God.
Leif:Now he's, you know, he's an old guy.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:Like, back then, he. For a minute, he was like, the,
Leif:you know, sexy Hollywood stud. He does sex, lies,
Leif:and videotapes and. Yeah, but,
Leif:yeah, there's that line of, like, in the pilot of, Buffy.
Leif:Yeah. Where she. Yeah, where she talks about James Spader
Leif:being a hottie.
Leif:And Chuck confronts Dan in the elevator and
Leif:threatens to destroy Dan if he reveals the info
Leif:on Bart. Dan claims that this
Leif:is bigger than him and Chuck, so Chuck resorts
Leif:to begging.
Leif:Yeah, your dad's a murderer.
Leif:And, like, so, like, yeah, your
Leif:family. Your family might. Might
Leif:be kind of fucked. But what about the dude's family that
Leif:your dad. Yeah. Fucking killed? I, like, he doesn't have a
Leif:name.
Leif:Seriously, I got saying earlier,
Leif:this show is rewriting reality. They're
Leif:recounting reality. The morals thing here is
Leif:not to give up Bart here.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:It's to cover this up and protect the wealthy.
Leif:Yeah, protect.
Leif:Protects the moral thing to do, Steve.
Leif:Protect the Bart and Lily's
Leif:relationships.
Shannon:Yeah.
Leif:And we have the moral thing.
Shannon:The pillar of morality.
Leif:Rufus.
Leif:Telling dad, you cannot reveal this. Yeah. You
Leif:cannot turn in this murderer.
Leif:You have to withhold this information,
Leif:which now makes you complicit.
Leif:Dan is now a felon for
Leif:not turning him in. Good job. Good
Leif:parenting, Rufus.
Leif:Fucking dickhead.
Leif:Blair fights Cyrus on the sidewalk, still
Leif:waiting for his driver to come back from dinner. But
Leif:Cyrus reveals that he planned everything and proved
Leif:that he could out scheme Blair. And does it without being
Leif:vindictive about it. Cyrus received some
Leif:high praise from Blair before they returned to the party
Leif:together.
Shannon:I love that your description there. He
Shannon:can out scheme her without being vindictive because my
Shannon:note for the scene was, I love that Cyrus
Shannon:wins Blair's approval by playing her game
Shannon:his way. M. I think it's so adorable.
Leif:Yeah. Yeah.
Leif:And again, he plays it without being mean like Blair is.
Leif:Yeah. Does it. He does it a nice way.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:He gets your favorite, you know, recording artist to come to her birthday
Leif:party.
Leif:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was. It was
Leif:good. I. And I. It really
Leif:made me, with the exception of, like, his
Leif:blind spot for his child, which I guess it.
Leif:But it really. That was really endearing. Like,
Leif:he's a schemer, but he does it in, like, this fun.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:Nice way.
Shannon:Yeah. Them trailing off at the end, too, and being like, you're not
Shannon:what I had in mind. He's like, well, you're not what I had in
Shannon:mind. Oh, yeah.
Leif:Ah. Anybody want to be done?
Leif:Dan sends a story about Charlie trout and the
Leif:father never loved him to Bartley. Along with the
Leif:interview tape and an apology note, I wrote in all.
Shannon:Caps, oh, my God. Dan's awful writing would
Shannon:never impress Yale.
Leif:Oh, is this when you, when you.
Shannon:Oh, yeah. I will pause the screen. I read every single word,
Shannon:and I'm.
Leif:Just like, that poor
Leif:intern. That poor intern.
Shannon:Don't think so. You named Chuck bass
Shannon:Charlie trout. Really?
Leif:I do think, like, I brought up before
Leif:we were, before we started doing this that they
Leif:show that whole story, and you can actually read
Leif:the Charlie strout. The first page of the Charlie
Leif:trout story. And it took me back to
Leif:Blair when, in the episode where they went to
Leif:Yale, blair has a letter that she gives
Leif:to the dean, and the first
Leif:paragraph is about blair, and the
Leif:rest of it is just an HB lovecraft
Leif:story filling in the rest of the page.
Shannon:That's so funny.
Leif:Yeah. The player probably would
Leif:be a fan of HBO and would play direct.
Leif:Serena arrives at Aaron's apartment, who is still with
Leif:Danielle, and Aaron admits that he likes
Leif:the date around. Serena storms off.
Leif:Hopefully this means she found a clue.
Shannon:What?
Leif:Yeah, like, I'm
Leif:not polyamorous. I'm in a monogamous marriage,
Leif:but I have friends that are polyamorous,
Leif:and anyone in the polyamory community
Leif:will, this isn't how you do it.
Leif:No, I don't think he is polyamorous.
Shannon:I don't think. I don't consider it polyamorous either. I consider
Shannon:him just being, like, not exclusive. We are dating. Not,
Shannon:like, official.
Leif:The reason I keep coming back to the term
Leif:polyamory for him him is because his
Leif:exact words were along the lines of, I
Leif:like to date more than one person at a, time. he
Leif:doesn't just say, I like to date around. He
Leif:said, I, I don't know how they do it in high school.
Shannon:Yes.
Leif:So I like to date around. I like to date
Leif:more than one person.
Leif:I mean, far be it for me to consider myself an expert
Leif:on polyamory, but I believe it really refers to actually,
Leif:like, a committed relationship with multiple.
Leif:Yeah, I. But. And that's fair, and that might.
Leif:But isn't he also trying to have
Leif:maybe not a committed relationship, but a
Leif:relationship? Right. And, like,
Leif:yeah, I don't know.
Shannon:I could. I can, like, see your point for sure. I just don't
Shannon:know if, like, I think it's.
Leif:Yeah, I think it's implied that, like, eventually they would become
Leif:an agonist.
Shannon:I do think, like, he would probably like polyamory,
Shannon:like his character. I think it suits his character, but I get
Shannon:the sense that he's just, like, I'm not committing to.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:I'm sampling around so I find what.
Shannon:I like, which is fine, as.
Leif:Long as she's up about it.
Shannon:Like, then they should just, like, end it.
Leif:Yeah, they should. They should really just end it.
Leif:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and. And,
Leif:you know, and again, no matter what, you would.
Leif:No matter that the term for what is going on
Leif:that you. It all starts with that very first
Leif:time being like, look, I'm dating more than
Leif:one person, and if you're interested, then I'll
Leif:date you, too, because that. That is the whole. They
Leif:do mention, even later in the episode, they do say the
Leif:words open relationship. Blair and Serena,
Leif:when they're talking to each other, they discuss how
Leif:Serena isn't. She wants to be a hippie
Leif:girl from the sixties, but she doesn't want. But
Leif:she could never have an open relationship.
Leif:So there were other things that led me to think that this
Leif:was his, how he dated.
Leif:I also feel like it was probably a
Leif:lazy m. Maybe not lazy, but ignorant on the
Leif:writer's part of not knowing how,
Leif:of not really knowing the way to
Leif:bring this subject.
Shannon:Yeah, the terminology and, like, just having Erin
Shannon:clarify with her. Like, it, like, clarify for the
Shannon:audience and for her. But, yeah, I don't know. Well.
Leif:Cause it's been three episodes now of Aaron
Leif:having other women around while.
Leif:And then Serena being like, oh, I thought it was me. Oh, but there's
Leif:these other women kissing you, and, like, at any point.
Leif:And, like, the last episode, he should have been like,
Leif:look, I'm not exclusive with you. Boom.
Leif:There. Boom.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:Done.
Shannon:Also, maybe, like, don't date her. She's in high school, and you are.
Leif:Like, 15 years old.
Shannon:I don't know how you do it in high school. Like, what a
Shannon:line.
Leif:He's older than me.
Leif:Pretty gross.
Leif:Rufus is playing guitar in the dark when Jenny
Leif:enters.
Shannon:Sorry.
Leif:Lincoln Hawks emo, baby.
Leif:The base of the basement page.
Leif:Okay, sorry, sorry, sorry.
Leif:Jenny enters and agrees to return home only if
Leif:Rufus will sign the incorporation paperwork.
Leif:Rufus gets all high and mighty and
Leif:refuses to sign the papers. Jenny, as stubborn as
Leif:ever, digs in her heels as well. We
Leif:see Jenny all alone, walking down the
Leif:streets after dark. Poor little orphan
Leif:Jenny looks like she needs a
Leif:daddy warbuck. But daddy Warbucks don't grow on
Leif:trees. At least trees that grow in Brooklyn.
Shannon:Another bad one. Yeah, another
Shannon:really bad one. Gigi.
Leif:Rufus is such an idiot.
Shannon:Wrong and strong.
Leif:Like.
Leif:Like, so, I mean, yes, Jenny is wrong to
Leif:try and emotionally blackmail, but just agree to it and
Leif:get her back in the house.
Leif:Yeah, get her back. Now, Jenny. Jenny is
Leif:diabolical in her attitude. Right?
Leif:And I, Like, Jenny is
Leif:coming in, and she is emotionally blackmailing her dad. And,
Leif:like, no doubt about it. I also go back
Leif:to, if you would have supported your kid
Leif:in their efforts from day fucking
Leif:one right now, you would be
Leif:sitting down, working out your fucking rich and famous
Leif:contract for your kid. Yeah.
Leif:Fashion show. It was ridiculous how much he overreacted to
Leif:that.
Leif:Yeah, but. But it's not even just the fashion show. It's
Leif:been every step of the way. He has been putting his
Leif:fucking foot in the way of. Of
Leif:everything she's tried to do. He has been
Leif:constantly sabotaging his kids
Leif:fucking dream, meanwhile, telling the other one.
Leif:Yeah, just, keep. Keep doing it as long as you don't hurt
Leif:people. Yeah, and. But, no, not you.
Leif:You're not going to get it. Like, fuck you,
Leif:Rufus.
Shannon:Yeah, I'm so annoyed. Like, I hate
Shannon:Rufus. They're out this whole storyline, and, like, saying, like, I
Shannon:won't sign my name to favorite condoning who
Shannon:you've become. It's so harsh. And, like, he should
Shannon:be a proud of his daughter.
Shannon:Like, yeah, your daughter is incredibly talented
Shannon:and recognized within, like, that community, and,
Shannon:like, you're an artist, Rubio. You're a
Shannon:musician. And the idea that, like, he would not. I
Shannon:get being scared. Like, I get being scared for her. In terms
Shannon:of, like, oh. Like, you were, like, this is, like, risky. In
Shannon:terms of you pursuing this.
Leif:Guess what? If she fails, she can still go back to school.
Shannon:Yeah, exactly. And if she just
Shannon:had your support during it, like, you guys could figure something
Shannon:out. But, like. Like, just him. If this
Shannon:was, like, real life and not a show, like, he is,
Shannon:like, losing his daughter from this. Yeah.
Shannon:And, like, maybe forever, like, yeah, yeah.
Leif:Several episodes ago, Eleanor calls him on it. Like, if you
Leif:had all of your shit laid, all of your dreams
Leif:answered when you were 15, would you have
Leif:stayed in school? Like. No.
Leif:And we move into the epilogue.
Leif:Jenny wakes up at the gallery and calls the business
Leif:manager. She begs for a Sunday meeting. At least
Leif:she has somewhere to sleep.
Leif:Yeah. Yeah.
Leif:Thankfully, her poor father owns multiple Brooklyn
Leif:properties.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:chuck in his room when Bart knocks at the
Leif:door. Because of Dan's story, Bart
Leif:apologized for being a. The cold to chuck all these
Leif:years. We see that Chuck has a picture of his mother
Leif:on the nightstand. Bart invites Chuck to the
Leif:hockey game. I, like to see it.
Leif:I loved it. I got a little emotional. I'm not going to lie. I
Leif:got teary. I got a little bar bass in my eye
Leif:watching that. Like, it was.
Leif:I don't want Bart to be a
Leif:cartoon evil villain. I want him to be a,
Leif:cold businessman. Yeah, but he should have
Leif:some art.
Leif:And. And, I mean, like, when. When they were
Leif:talking, when he said the line, every time I look at you,
Leif:I turn to rob and I go. I see her
Leif:because, like. But, like, But also, it's so heart wrenching
Leif:because, like, you know that I like
Leif:it. Just thinking about that, like, losing
Leif:someone that you love like that. And then every time you see your kid,
Leif:like, you're. You're reminded of them, you know,
Leif:like. Like, that's gotta be
Leif:really tough for him. And it really makes a really
Leif:sympathetic side to Bart here. The
Leif:murderer.
Shannon:Yeah. I think also much like, Blair's scene with
Shannon:Cyrus where she doesn't have a lot of dialogue, but her acting
Shannon:really comes through and she has a lot of facial
Shannon:expressions and she conveys emotion really well. And this
Shannon:change in emotion that gradually shifts
Shannon:from one to the other. I think Ed Westwick, also a really
Shannon:nice job in the scene, like, starting out kind of, like, you know,
Shannon:like, defensive and then, like, kind of slowly becoming, like,
Shannon:surprised and, like.
Leif:And warming.
Shannon:Yeah.
Leif:Dan tells Rufus that he killed the Bart story.
Leif:We also find that found out that even though
Leif:Rufus and Jenny are fighting, Jenny still
Leif:calls Dan to talk to him. in my opinion, is further
Leif:evidence that Dan didn't rat out, Jenny last week we talked
Leif:about earlier.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:Jenny is once again meeting with the manager, who tells her
Leif:that only the other option is to become an
Leif:emancipated miner.
Leif:Back to the one with Dan, though, where he
Leif:saved. Where Rufus is, like, you know, you
Leif:saved that family.
Leif:Just to really put a period on that sentence
Leif:of, like, rufus just condoning murder to save
Leif:a family.
Shannon:And family. As if it's not like they're
Shannon:friends.
Leif:Yeah.
Shannon:Like, yeah. Then of course, like, Dan is the one to then
Shannon:suggest to Rufus, like, save our family.
Leif:Yeah.
Shannon:Call Jenny. Like, let her take the win, even if
Shannon:you don't agree with her, and it's, like.
Leif:Exactly. Yeah. And Dan is absolutely right.
Leif:Yeah.
Shannon:It's kind of a relief. Last time I came on, like, I was very Dan
Shannon:bashing. So, like, even though Dan is unrealistically
Shannon:superhero in this episode, it's, like, kind of nice to be on
Shannon:his side for an episode. And, like, I don't always hate
Shannon:Daniel.
Leif:it also brings me to the point where Leif had said
Leif:that episode ten tends to be a big Dan and
Leif:Serena episode, which I always heard
Leif:you saying a Dan and Serena
Leif:episode, but it was a Dan
Leif:and Serena episode,
Leif:so that was.
Leif:Yeah, I did kind of get away from the formula, but
Leif:I think Aaron is just such a Dan substitute.
Leif:That, though, kind of works.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:He really is just diet Dan.
Shannon:Dan look good. Is that what's part of what's.
Leif:He's diet Dan?
Leif:Yeah, I think it's. Yeah, I feel like he does.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:And he's just dad, but older and creepier.
Leif:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Leif:Only twice the age.
Leif:he's in his thirties.
Shannon:He's older than Cyrus.
Leif:He's Benjamin bunging it.
Leif:and to the Jenny thing, I completely support
Leif:emancipation.
Shannon:Yeah. I mean, I think it's insane how much emancipation comes
Shannon:up in teen dramas because it's not that
Shannon:easy to get. But, I loved the idea of
Shannon:it. I was happy with my family, but I was just, like,
Shannon:who? What if I could be on my.
Leif:I think the reason why it comes up is so many of these actors
Leif:are our best because both and Taylor are
Leif:a mess. M. And I think Layton might have been as well.
Shannon:Oh, really? Yeah. Wow. Yeah.
Leif:Layton had a, crazy childhood.
Shannon:Yeah. Yeah, you told me last time I was on, but,
Shannon:like. Yeah, so that's, like, good justification. I don't think, like, you
Shannon:disagreeing with Rufus is enough to get you emancipated,
Shannon:but, yeah.
Leif:Pat, was emancipated, but he still, like, lived with his mom. His mom was still, like,
Leif:his manager. He just did that so he could work full time.
Leif:Yeah, I was gonna say there. There are circumstances of
Leif:emancipation in. In the entertainment industry that
Leif:are like, that. That it's like, to get them so they don't have to go
Leif:to school and they can work.
Leif:Yeah. Cause they're not. If they're minors, they can only work a certain amount
Leif:of hours or sag.
Leif:Yeah, which is probably why we don't see Jenny on
Leif:every episode.
Leif:Yeah. Blair and Serena are having a phone
Leif:conversation about casual dating. That's where you
Leif:mentioned before about.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:she's. Yeah, like, you want to be a sixties hippie, but you're
Leif:still kind of conventional.
Leif:Yeah. I mean, this is a whole conversation
Leif:supporting the idea of them
Leif:being in an open relationship.
Leif:Even if it is just for now, it is still. You
Leif:are sharing him, Zachary.
Shannon:Yeah, that's fair. I also, like. Even though I was
Shannon:playing Devil's advocate earlier with you, I feel like, in support
Shannon:of what you're saying, I also do believe in the idea
Shannon:of when you're dating someone, you
Shannon:shouldn't be thinking about who they will be in
Shannon:the future. You should look at who they are right now. And
Shannon:so if you're looking at who he is right now, like, he is
Shannon:seeing other women and, like, that might not ever stop.
Shannon:So, I mean, Serena's high school doesn't know about
Shannon:her, but I feel, like. Don't
Shannon:know no better, but I feel like I can change
Shannon:him. Okay. Like, he's already shown
Shannon:you time and.
Leif:Time again, so I. Yeah, like, I agree.
Leif:So he is doing the open. I just think there's a
Leif:distinction between, like, Polly. I mean, I don't
Leif:think power is, like, necessarily an open relationship.
Leif:Best all the time.
Shannon:No, I think it's usually, like, you.
Leif:Know, who we need on the. On to talk about this
Leif:is Andre, who is polyamorous,
Leif:and is very involved in the, like,
Leif:Philadelphia polyamory, like, community, too.
Shannon:Yeah.
Leif:Some people don't bring us enough information on
Leif:polyamory.
Shannon:Oh, my God. I'm, like, the most monogamous.
Shannon:I don't even, like, want to think about it. That's
Shannon:awesome. I don't judge it. I do not judge it. But, like, for me personally,
Shannon:I'm like. I'm like, I'll get upset at an
Shannon:imaginary man in my head.
Leif:I'm so monogamous, I only date myself.
Shannon:Yeah. Really?
Leif:Yeah. I can see Shannon throwing her laptop out of a
Leif:window after a dating game.
Leif:She talked her after Dream
Leif:daddy's the.
Shannon:Only time that dream daddy I get to be polyamorous, but,
Shannon:like, it's like a Mormon polyamorous where it's like, it's just
Shannon:me. Like, you don't get to be it,
Shannon:but that's different.
Leif:But that's dream dad.
Shannon:That's dream dad.
Leif:daddy.
Leif:Okay.
Shannon:Sorry.
Leif:Blair is surprised to find Cyrus at the
Leif:breakfast table and is even more surprised to find out that
Leif:he is moving in, effective
Leif:immediately.
Shannon:Still laughing.
Shannon:Oh, yeah. I, I mean, that is, like,
Shannon:I don't know. That's a lot. That's a little quick,
Shannon:Cyrus, but I also, like, follow your heart.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:I mean, why not? They're in their sixties or
Leif:whatever. Fifties.
Shannon:There's no way. Well, he might be, but I don't think Eleanor
Shannon:is at least fifties.
Leif:I would think.
Leif:I think late 40.
Shannon:Yeah.
Leif:I think around my age. Right?
Leif:Like, I think she's older than you.
Leif:I think she is older than me. I don't know if
Leif:she's supposed to be old.
Leif:I think she just wanted. She had well
Leif:taken care of.
Leif:Yeah. Had kids when she was a little bit older, and.
Leif:Yeah. she just has all the best products.
Leif:Yeah. Yeah.
Leif:Stylists and.
Leif:But also, like, you know, I, this
Leif:kind of makes me think of my dad, who, like,
Leif:the, he told me one time he was dating someone, and
Leif:then, like, a week later, when we, he introduced us, he was like, we're
Leif:getting married. It's like, oh, hi,
Leif:my new stepmom. And then, like,
Leif:and then another time, he was like, oh, yeah, I'm sort of seeing this woman.
Leif:Then he called. Then I'm calling him. He's like, yeah, we
Leif:eloped over the weekend, and it's like, oh, you,
Leif:you know, the other woman died,
Leif:in between. Yeah, he's not married. He's not
Leif:polygamous. He's not marrying. But,
Leif:like, he, my, he and my mom split my, this is my
Leif:dad's fourth wife. He's, but his two of his wives
Leif:died.
Shannon:Yeah. My grandfather, there was a similar thing. Like, yeah, had three
Shannon:wives die, and then it like, yeah, more marriages.
Leif:People just can't be alone.
Leif:Yeah.
Shannon:Yeah, come on.
Shannon:It's like, yeah. I mean, like, if. I don't know, if,
Shannon:I don't know.
Leif:If I can keep doing that. Like, could you keep, oh,
Shannon:You're like, yeah, I can't handle that heartbreak.
Shannon:It's like getting a new dog.
Leif:I mean, I get that. Yeah. What
Leif:you're, I get what leap is saying. I was
Leif:saying to Robin, like, I don't know if I want something like this
Leif:again. Like, this is, like, our marriage is something
Leif:that is so special to me. I don't think I want that.
Shannon:Zachary, I thought you were saying it in terms of, like, oh, you. Serial
Shannon:monogamous. It's like, well, that's not really
Shannon:fair.
Leif:Aaron shows up for his day with Serena, who thought they
Leif:had broken up somehow. Aaron's speech
Leif:about non conformity works on Serena, who decides
Leif:to go out on a casual date with Aaron,
Leif:prove just how much of a free spirit she
Leif:is. Serena goes on a date wearing only a
Leif:jacket and her sleeping gown.
Leif:Some surprises hit you over the head like a squash
Leif:racket, and others sneak up when you
Leif:least are expecting it. And sometimes the
Leif:biggest surprises are the ones you spring on yourself.
Leif:Scampering about in a slip is one way to
Leif:shed old skin. But will embrace free
Leif:love be as easy as flinging off a pair of fendi
Leif:flat? Looks like someone's going barefoot
Leif:in the park.
Shannon:Yeah, this one's too long. And, like,
Shannon:the gossip girl quotes, in general, I think they're
Shannon:ridiculous.
Leif:Well, the end of the episode, one's always long.
Shannon:Yeah. Yeah, this one. But I do. Actually, this might be the
Shannon:only gossip girl quote that I I don't
Shannon:really like it in reference to Serena and Aaron, but I do really
Shannon:like the quote. Sometimes the biggest surprises are the ones
Shannon:you spread on yourself. I think that's like. Yeah, I'm like.
Shannon:Like that. I like it. And
Shannon:isolated from
Shannon:too much. Aaron.
Leif:He's so creepy.
Leif:Yeah. Like, he's creepy in this scene. Like
Leif:the, going out in the slip. It's like, what is. What is
Leif:that?
Shannon:Yeah, what is. What did it accomplish?
Leif:What are you proving?
Leif:She just wants to prove how much of a free spirit she
Leif:is.
Leif:Yeah, I I kind of like the.
Shannon:Way she says no, but, And then I was like, but.
Leif:But why?
Shannon:But why?
Leif:It's cause she. It's. I mean, yeah, she
Leif:doesn't like to admit it, but she is just as concerned about
Leif:image as Lily is. But it's just. She wants a different image than
Leif:Lily has.
Leif:Yeah. Yeah.
Shannon:She might be, like, even not really because it's not like she's
Shannon:putting these other women down that he's dating, but she might be, like,
Shannon:kind of, like, leaning towards, like, pick me
Shannon:type, where it's like, I'm gonna, like, look at me. I'm
Shannon:the free spirit. Like, I bet all those other bitches you date are.
Leif:Yeah, I kind of felt.
Leif:I kind of felt bad, too. But it was also still, like,
Leif:like, why did. Why?
Leif:Like, there are a hundred things that she could have worn.
Shannon:Yeah. I think the reason is, like, his. His
Shannon:speech is like, oh, like, I know you grew up on the
Shannon:upper east side, but, like, do you really want that life? Like, I want to do what I
Shannon:want to do. And, like, and then she's like, like, oh, yeah, you're
Shannon:right. I am that kind of person. Let me prove it now by going
Shannon:out and muscle you.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:But Blake lively hasn't shown her a, photo
Leif:for skin. This.
Leif:It's in her contract.
Leif:But that is the female power.
Leif:I mean, she paid good money for them. Might as well show them
Leif:off so that with our
Leif:episode. Steve, any predictions?
Leif:Oh, my God. Like, this Aaron thing is
Leif:gonna eventually blow
Leif:up. It is not
Leif:sustainable.
Leif:They're not gonna get married
Leif:again.
Leif:and at the wedding, someone would come up and kiss Aaron and be
Leif:like, oh, hi. And he'd be like, oh, yeah, Serena, I'll catch up with you
Leif:later. And, like, walk off.
Leif:Oh, yeah. This is who we are now.
Shannon:Oh, yeah. I have my second wedding then.
Leif:Oh, I've got another wedding to go do.
Leif:I got another wedding at 03:00
Leif:weddings.
Shannon:Weddings for our thing.
Leif:so let's go ahead and get into some segments.
Leif:We hopped into the wayback machine to
Leif:go visit this week in fandom. hello there,
Leif:Peabody here. And this is the wayback machine
Leif:for traveling through time.
Leif:And this is my boy Sherman. Speak,
Leif:Shermandhe.
Shannon:Hello.
Leif:Goodbye.
Leif:The, tells you without pity. red was missing. It was a
Leif:lost the ether. So I went over to fan for him,
Leif:and they did not like the episodes. Not great
Leif:overall. It's kind of boring. Sad about no Nate.
Leif:Yeah. But we knew Nate was going to be here
Leif:because he's in the Hamptons. Yes. You know, because he's.
Leif:I'm kind of indifferent to it. I know. I know. You're a big Nate guy.
Leif:I love Nate.
Leif:I mean, I love Nate, but he does not add
Leif:anything to the story.
Leif:No, no, no.
Leif:So it makes sense he's not here.
Leif:Yeah. I just like good guy Nate when Nate is there and
Leif:be and I right now, I really feel bad.
Leif:Jenny could have used some rescuing this week, right?
Leif:Jenny could really. Jenny could really.
Shannon:I'm glad I didn't. Come on. A Nate and Jenny.
Leif:Oh, Allison, your feelings about Nate and Jenny, that was last
Leif:week.
Shannon:Yeah, that was. Yeah. That would have been either. The. We like
Shannon:the last eight and nine is when he's like.
Shannon:Like, I just like, I get, like, I kind of like
Shannon:somebody being, like, attracted to
Shannon:her, pursuing this, like, art in the way that she is and, like,
Shannon:doing the gorilla thing and, like, having, like, I do like that, like.
Shannon:Like, piquing somebody's interest. It just shouldn't be Nate.
Shannon:Like, wait, anyway, I mean,
Shannon:the actor, whatever.
Leif:The characters are only two years apart.
Leif:Yeah. It's a sophomore and a sophomore and a junior.
Shannon:I just, like, don't. I don't know. I just.
Leif:It's definitely weird because the actor's age difference, but
Leif:in the reality of the show there, I mean, I have no
Leif:problem.
Shannon:Yeah, I get her being into him, but, like, I, Like,
Shannon:just because he kind of, like, moves in or whatever and, like,
Shannon:it's, like, there, but I just don't know.
Leif:I understand it from Nate's perspective because
Leif:Nate sees pretty thing. Nate likes pretty
Leif:thing fair.
Leif:And they do have other history of friendship
Leif:and even, like, somewhat flirty like.
Leif:They had in the past.
Leif:Yeah. There was a season one thing where they gave a
Leif:hug and had, like, a very, like,
Leif:touching moment.
Leif:So, like, there is a. I mean, that was definitely.
Shannon:Maybe I am, like, I'm just. I'm, like, going off the
Shannon:vibe of, like, the actors. I might be just, like, going off.
Leif:Yeah.
Shannon:I don't like that.
Leif:Oh, yeah. I mean, Chase Crawford
Leif:was. The reason why the story never really happened fully
Leif:is because Chase Crawford was uncomfortable with it.
Leif:M that's good. Yeah.
Leif:Good for him.
Leif:Good for him. Yes. Because.
Shannon:Yeah.
Leif:You know.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:Ed Wesker clearly was not.
Shannon:He does, like, look, he is good guy Nate to her, and I do think
Shannon:she deserves a good guy. Uh-huh. I just
Shannon:don't. I don't.
Leif:And I liked her for Nate,
Leif:too, because, like, all the other women in his life
Leif:walk all over him.
Leif:Yeah. Yeah.
Shannon:You've convinced me. I was wrong.
Leif:No, I totally get it.
Shannon:I actually take it back.
Leif:The visual of it is definitely weird because the
Leif:age the actor. But from a storytelling
Leif:perspective, I love named Jenny.
Leif:Yeah. I really do. From a storytelling.
Leif:They were sad about Nate, but
Leif:mad about no chair.
Leif:Oh, yeah.
Leif:No Chuck and Blair interactions at all.
Shannon:it's.
Leif:Doesn't happen often.
Shannon:Yeah. And, like, because I've, like,
Shannon:now I feel like I'm getting the episodes a little bit out
Shannon:of order, but, like, can you remind me of the last, like,
Shannon:interaction that they had?
Leif:So in episode seven,
Leif:Blair, like, the whole thing was with Dan and
Leif:Blair, and, like, Dan was, like, giving her advice,
Leif:and, like, she was gonna tell him that.
Shannon:Okay.
Leif:Love him.
Leif:Yeah.
Shannon:Good. That's that's what I wanted to. That is, like, the moment,
Shannon:for me, that episode. And, like, that scene when she
Shannon:doesn't say it and, like, they blame Dan for it. Like, that's the
Shannon:moment where, like, I stopped being, like, a chair shipper
Shannon:because it's like. Like, this ain't love. Like, this isn't
Shannon:how you express love to one another. Like, he's not
Shannon:good. it's actually, Dan's done you a favor,
Shannon:Blair, so, yeah, I get that the fandom was,
Shannon:like, on them and probably for, like, they
Shannon:will drag it out and whatever else, but, like, I. Yeah,
Shannon:after that episode, I don't. I don't care, but I'm not mad. I'm m not mad. No
Shannon:chair.
Leif:And also, I mean, like, there were definitely
Leif:fans at this point in the forums
Leif:saying, yeah, this is getting boring.
Leif:Yeah, this is gonna be, you know, another, What do they
Leif:compare stuff which relates.
Leif:They.
Leif:Compared to the. On the sea. Oh, Seth and summer.
Shannon:Yeah.
Leif:Yeah.
Shannon:We're just, you know, I mean, they actually said
Shannon:it, Ella. I mean, you guys probably already talked about this, but
Shannon:they said it out loud. He's like, yeah. Like, you know that lift, if
Shannon:we get together, that's the end and not the beginning. And it's like that as
Shannon:the writers being like, no, yeah,
Shannon:yeah. Why didn't Jenny stop? Yeah. Okay.
Leif:Yeah. So as we also talked about this, but
Leif:a lot of people were, why didn't Jenny try and stop Agnes for
Leif:burning dresses?
Shannon:Yeah. How could the writers have fixed that, I wonder, since
Shannon:we're fixing their writing today?
Leif:Yeah, I mean, I think maybe, like, Agnes could have just
Leif:been waiting there with, like, the match over the background.
Shannon:The amount of, like, physical struggle, even if, like, it
Shannon:still goes.
Leif:I mean, they might have tried to shoot that. It
Leif:just looked really bad because the actresses are not
Leif:physical actresses. They just aren't good at
Leif:that kind of thing. Yeah, but, yeah, like, I think the only way they could
Leif:have fixed it would be to just have, like, Agnes waiting with,
Leif:like, the match over the barrel as, ah, Jenny walks
Leif:in.
Shannon:That's sinister.
Leif:Yeah. Which would have been. Which, I mean, that would have been a
Leif:powerful scene. That would have been, you know, hey, and,
Leif:like, do all of her. Like, I did all of this shit and all that shit, and
Leif:then that's.
Shannon:Not a mic drop. That's a match.
Leif:So, yeah, so we normally go to
Leif:television without pity for us, where Dan is probably the most
Leif:hated character, but fan forum. Jenny is really
Leif:hated.
Shannon:Really? I don't like fan forum.
Leif:and, yeah, that becomes more
Leif:prevalent in fandom. which is so funny.
Leif:Cause I think Jenny. Like, Jenny's
Leif:attitude towards Rufus at the end was, like I said, it's
Leif:kind of diabolical. Like, I'm done. Move in if you
Leif:look, sign shit. But it's also. She
Leif:was backed into a corner, especially
Leif:in her perspective. Like, you know,
Leif:I need to get what I'm after and everyone.
Leif:but my dad is telling me I need to get this, so
Leif:I don't see where the hate comes from. Yeah.
Shannon:And I think it's still accurate as, like, an angsty teen with, like,
Shannon:parents. Like, yeah, like, teen, girls talk their parents like
Shannon:that.
Leif:Yeah. My theory is one
Leif:that she actually does act like a teenager, and people just don't like
Leif:teenagers.
Leif:Yeah. Yeah.
Leif:And then two, Jenny beats
Leif:Blair, and people don't like Blair
Leif:losing.
Leif:Yeah. It's fair.
Leif:I'm right there with preach.
Leif:But, yeah, that's always been my theory is, yeah, people just
Leif:don't like that she beats Blaire.
Leif:Yeah. And I think the other one is also true, the fact that she plays
Leif:a teenager so fucking perfectly
Leif:because, like, I love
Leif:teen. Like, I have three teenagers, and, like, I've worked
Leif:with teenagers throughout my entire career, and I
Leif:love the kids that I've worked with. But
Leif:I was about to say I love teenagers and wanted to come out, like,
Leif:love teenagers. Like, that's
Leif:not enough.
Leif:Oh, my catchphrase.
Leif:But my point being that, like, they can also
Leif:be really fucking angsty,
Leif:whiny and annoying.
Leif:And they.
Leif:And teenagers in general will often feel like the
Leif:whole world is happening to them and not
Leif:recognize that there's an entire other world that's going
Leif:on and that things just happen to fucking suck.
Shannon:On the streets of New York City by yourself with a
Shannon:suitcase at that age and, like, it's nighttime. Your
Shannon:dad just, like, basically told you.
Leif:Basically kicked one out for the second time.
Shannon:Yeah.
Leif:so I'm over here laughing to hear
Leif:dangerous catch.
Leif:I'm just picturing a scene where Cyrus just has.
Leif:He has a very large penis, and he's just,
Leif:like, part way in. This partner's like,
Leif:hold on.
Leif:Wait, wait.
Leif:Not enough.
Shannon:He whips it out, and his partner's like, not
Shannon:enough. Like, I
Shannon:had bigger.
Leif:Oh, man.
Leif:There seems to be a great amount of concern for the amount of cleavage
Leif:that Serena is showing.
Shannon:What's the concern?
Leif:Yeah, I guess they were saying, like, why. Why
Leif:are they forcing her to show cleavage?
Leif:Oh.
Shannon:Like, as if, like, lively was nothing.
Leif:Yeah.
Shannon:Okay.
Leif:Yeah.
Shannon:Do we know an answer to that?
Leif:I'm gonna say she was on board with it just based by her
Leif:personal style. Yeah, but I mean,
Leif:maybe she was against it. I mean, she was much younger then, I guess.
Shannon:Like, you are still portraying a high school student, though.
Leif:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Shannon:I don't know. I show as much cleavage.
Leif:You do? Yeah.
Shannon:Don't want ladies.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:yeah.
Leif:So they were attacking Eric Daven say, like,
Leif:yeah.
Leif:Why?
Leif:Why?
Shannon:Yeah, yeah, yeah. And how much you want. Not what your
Shannon:boss wants.
Leif:Yeah.
Shannon:Power.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:Moving on to episode
Leif:grades.
Leif:Okay.
Shannon:My grade. I have no fucking idea.
Leif:Now I know my leaf goes first this week.
Leif:Yeah. Ah, I'm erasing my original grade
Leif:right off of that.
Leif:Can I ask what your original grade was
Leif:originally?
Leif:Was gonna be? A bit b.
Leif:Okay. Mine was originally a b plus.
Shannon:Mine originally was a b.
Leif:Okay. But no, it is not.
Leif:Like we said, the directing was not bad. It's not good.
Leif:So that's like a c directing.
Leif:The acting. Again, there were some good
Leif:moments.
Leif:There were good moments in the great.
Leif:Acting and some average moments. I'll give that a
Leif:b on the acting. The A
Leif:storyline, which I'm gonna say was the Jenny
Leif:storyline, I mostly like, other than
Leif:the few lazy bits about it. It. But the B
Leif:storyline with Blair was kind of boring. And then the
Leif:sea storyline is the one I would have liked to see more of the Blair
Leif:either Dan, Chuck and Bart stuff.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:And that, like, because that was really, like, murder
Leif:and insurance fraud. that's exciting.
Leif:This one also had a d storyline too, because there
Leif:was the Serena Aaron storyline as well. Yeah.
Shannon:Like that. So much time.
Leif:Yeah.
Shannon:Like, I feel like that was their.
Leif:I guess. I guess that's probably the C storyline. And the Dan
Leif:storyline is, like, the deal storyline.
Shannon:Or.
Leif:Or I would actually flip the
Leif:Blair storyline to be the D
Leif:storyline.
Shannon:Okay. Okay.
Leif:Like, if I was writing it. But I think the way they rated it was
Leif:the piece. Like, that was the party of the week. Was her birthday
Leif:party.
Leif:Oh, yeah, you're right. That is the party of the week.
Shannon:As we're talking about this, I feel like, we should, instead of referring
Shannon:to characters by name, refer to them by letter, like the show. So, like, the
Shannon:b storyline is the a storyline.
Leif:Oh, yeah. So ultimately, I'm, gonna
Leif:land at a c.
Shannon:The straight c. The whole letter.
Leif:Yes.
Shannon:Okay, hold on. I'm thinking. Okay. Am I next?
Leif:Yes, you're.
Shannon:Okay. So I like initially b. And
Shannon:my thought process was, very similar to yours. Like, nothing
Shannon:special about this episode. But it didn't feel like there was anything
Shannon:bad. I think it's interesting the fandom is, like, simultaneously
Shannon:calling it boring, which, like. Yeah, it was. But, like, them and then hating
Shannon:Jenny because Jenny is the most interesting.
Leif:Yeah.
Shannon:She's driving the plot. Yeah. Like, the dance stuff is
Shannon:interesting, but it's, like, so unbelievable that,
Shannon:like, I'm not compelled by it, but, like, the Jenny stuff.
Shannon:Like, I wanted to come on this episode because of, like,
Shannon:her storyline and because I like. I really, really like her
Shannon:character arc in this season, and it kind of comes to, like, a
Shannon:hit in this episode. I hate Aaron. I hate him a
Shannon:lot. He's in this episode a lot. So, like, I,
Shannon:But now I, like, can I just give it, like, pass? Fail. Like,
Shannon:it passed.
Shannon:Like, I don't. I don't. I feel like I'm. How?
Leif:Well, I mean, yeah.
Shannon:it's like, I'll give it.
Leif:I'm just gonna call that a c then.
Shannon:It's a c. Well, and,
Shannon:like, yeah, I wish I could. I wish I could
Shannon:divide the episode into, like, the parts that I like about
Shannon:it are solid. Like. Like, I think
Shannon:Denny's story is, like, a line a other than Agnes.
Shannon:Like, very sudden switch. And then I think
Shannon:the acting is decent, other than, like, those lack of
Shannon:a hustle to the dresses. And then if I could. But then the
Shannon:rest of the writings. It's a c, I'm
Shannon:convinced, right down the
Shannon:middle.
Leif:Yeah. I came into it at a b because my
Leif:initial knee jerk of watching it.
Leif:Yeah. Yeah, there. There's stuff that
Leif:happens.
Leif:That I really like. I really
Leif:like Bart's interaction with
Leif:Chuck at the end. And I'm a sucker for a good
Leif:ending. Like, if you can give me a good enough ending to
Leif:something, I'll forget how terrible the rest of it is. Phantom
Leif:menace. Like, that's why I saw it
Leif:so many times in the theater when it came out. It's like, the bending
Leif:battles are so cool. Anyway, anyway, but, like,
Leif:you know, I really liked how certain things tied up.
Leif:I love Wallace. Sean. Like, I,
Leif:He's a national treasure, and I loved him in
Leif:it. And so it brings me to kind of like, what leaf
Leif:was doing with.
Leif:With his, you know, he was coming up.
Leif:No. No idea. I was completely
Leif:blindsided, and it was fantastic. I
Leif:was so happy when to be blindsided by it. It
Leif:was like.
Shannon:What was your reaction?
Leif:React. I'm
Leif:not enough? No, I. I actually.
Leif:I actually turned to Robin, was like, And was
Leif:like, that's Wallace trauma. That's who Preston and Steve were just talking about. So
Leif:it's not even necessarily a great
Leif:reaction for him. And
Leif:actually, no, I'm wrong. The very first word
Leif:I said. Inconceivable.
Leif:The very first word I said when I saw fair.
Leif:Evil. So, I want to start with,
Leif:like, the writing. And the writing just wasn't
Leif:great here. Like, there were. She. She wrote some great
Leif:episodes, but the writing had all of these
Leif:weird flaws. Like, all of these. We
Leif:want this store. We want the story to do this.
Leif:How do we do it? I don't know. So you have this
Leif:covering up murder and blowing up
Leif:in front of the agent that's trying to sign you to a
Leif:huge fucking fashion deal, and
Leif:creepy dude that refuses to say that he dates
Leif:more than one person at a time until he absolutely
Leif:fucking has to. So you have all of these, like,
Leif:really weird things despite there being
Leif:cool outcomes. And then when you talk about
Leif:the directing, like, when I think of
Leif:the directing, I always think of the performances a director
Leif:gets out of someone. And when we talk about the
Leif:good acting in this episode, where do we get the good
Leif:acting? We get it from Leighton Meester. We get it from Margaret
Leif:Collins. We get it from Wallace Shawn. We get it
Leif:from Taylor Mumson. We get it from the four people from.
Leif:From those three. You know, the.
Leif:The three cast members. They are
Leif:always spectacular. They are always the
Leif:best actors on the show. So there were no
Leif:spectacular performances, except
Leif:maybe the. I think the best directed scene was
Leif:Bart and Chuck at the end.
Leif:That. That was a. That was a
Leif:beautiful performance. That was beautifully
Leif:directed. But I dropped a grade and a half. I
Leif:went to a c as well. Across the board.
Shannon:It's like a c that I'm a hand holding club.
Shannon:Yeah.
Leif:Yeah.
Shannon:It had so much potential, like, so much going on for it that I
Shannon:do enjoy from this episode. Yeah, the writing really sucked it. Ah, yeah,
Shannon:I agree.
Leif:Cut out all the air and stuff and flesh out
Leif:the Dan and Chuck, so it's more believable.
Leif:Yep. Which it's also interesting because they usually only
Leif:do three storylines because we. We were talking about
Leif:this, a couple episodes ago, someone who had never seen
Leif:Gossip girl was on, and he was
Leif:like, I was amazed that they had these three
Leif:stories going all at the same time.
Leif:And every one of them came to a conclusion. Came to a
Leif:conclusion. And every one of them had a rising
Leif:action, a climax and an epilogue and a
Leif:Daniel and, like, and. And he's right. And then
Leif:I really realized, like, this is. That's the,
Leif:trademark of this show. They do that ever. All the time.
Leif:Josh Schwartz in general, I think he does that in all his.
Leif:Yeah. And it's great storytelling. Like, it is probably the
Leif:thing that makes this show
Leif:that engaging.
Leif:It's great. But it also leads the burnout.
Shannon:Yeah, sure.
Leif:And especially.
Leif:Well, especially sharing through stories too fast and,
Leif:ah, that's another trademark marker Josh Ford shows.
Leif:Oh, is it? Well, that, you know what? That makes a lot of
Leif:sense. But also, they kind of run through the,
Leif:like, because they're doing. They run through all these stories in, like, three
Leif:episodes because of the. The rule of three, you know?
Leif:And, oh, does that mean are they going to be
Leif:done with Aaron soon?
Leif:We can only hope.
Leif:Next episode is Aaron's fourth. So we got a.
Leif:We should be right, or is it three?
Shannon:I don't know.
Leif:Well, so we got. We got three episodes of him doing the same
Leif:thing. Now he can just do something else.
Shannon:It is interesting that, like, this, ah, like, the critique
Shannon:that maybe there's so much going on in this episode that it felt like there was,
Shannon:like, nothing going on. yeah,
Shannon:I'm trying to wrap my head around that.
Leif:yeah, moving
Leif:into stock watch. So
Leif:going up, I had Dan because in
Leif:the context of the show, he did the right thing,
Leif:and he's super master
Leif:manipulator and got whatever he wanted all episode
Leif:long. So he went up, even though I hated him.
Leif:Aaron went up because, I mean,
Leif:he's getting all these good looking women, and they're falling
Leif:for his every line, so. Sure, why not?
Leif:Cyrus, because, he out schemed Blair, and he. He's in
Leif:a new relationship that he seems to be enjoying.
Leif:Eleanor, for the same reason. She's got a new bow and
Leif:seems to be really happy about it. So Eleanor goes up
Leif:and Chuck, because he got to have a nice
Leif:moment with his daddy.
Shannon:Yep.
Leif:Shannon, who you got going up?
Shannon:I had almost identical to you and wrote down,
Shannon:like, almost all the same reasons. Aaron,
Shannon:reluctantly, relationship
Shannon:with his father is improving. Cyrus, you
Shannon:know, he won. He earned Blair's
Shannon:approval. Mama. Blair got a good
Shannon:guy. I did not have Dan going up
Shannon:only because, like, even though he
Shannon:did the, like, right thing by the show's standards and, like,
Shannon:he probably does feel, like, good about
Shannon:that, he had this opportunity,
Shannon:like, with this publishing company. Like, he
Shannon:had, like, an opportunity to do something big and that would have, like,
Shannon:advanced his career in a certain way.
Leif:Well, he did. He did get the recommendation letter for Yale that he's been
Leif:waiting, he's been trying to get for the past, like.
Shannon:Four or five years. He still wrote it for him.
Leif:He handed him a letter.
Leif:That was the first thing.
Leif:Yeah.
Shannon:I feel like. I just feel like he sunk an
Shannon:opportunity.
Leif:Oh, yeah.
Shannon:I have him. I don't have him going down. I just, like, have him straight.
Shannon:But all the other ups that you had, I also had a.
Shannon:Yeah.
Leif:I think I also follow the same checklist. I had
Leif:Cyrus. Cyrus is the first one I wrote down because
Leif:Cyrus won, you know, Cyrus.
Leif:And then I had Eleanor for the same reason. Eleanor has a,
Leif:has a relationship, and she's happy. I had
Leif:Aaron reluctantly going up because
Leif:Aaron, you know, Aaron is fucking winning.
Leif:Got what he want.
Leif:Yeah. And then I had Chuck and Bart going
Leif:up because Chuck. Chuck reestablishing with
Leif:Bart. And then also Bart getting away with
Leif:literal fucking murder. And then I also had Blair going
Leif:up because of, You
Leif:know, I did feel like by the end with
Leif:Blair and her relationship with Cyrus, that,
Leif:like, you know, I felt like she went
Leif:up in the end by helping him out.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:The only. The final scene kept me from having her go up because she was
Leif:clearly not happy about him moving in right away.
Leif:Yeah, I get that. But I.
Leif:That if her ups, I believe so, yes.
Leif:All right.
Leif:So for me, going down, Rufus,
Leif:a hundred times down. Jenny, I had her going
Leif:down because she. Her dreams are going up in flames.
Leif:Literally. Agnes, because she. Our dreams
Leif:are also going up in flames. And she's just crazy.
Leif:Serena, because she's having the wool pulling over
Leif:her eyes and is, you know, doing something she's
Leif:clearly uncomfortable with. And then also
Leif:the big loser of the episode, mister Smith's
Leif:assistant. And she was
Leif:vulnerable.
Shannon:I love the random throw ins.
Leif:And then also I had flair going down. Cause, like I said,
Leif:like, at the end of the episode, she lost. She lost
Leif:against Cyrus. Heads up. And then she
Leif:was not happy at the end.
Leif:That's fair.
Leif:And then also the minions. Cause they were just so desperate, the whole
Leif:ops.
Shannon:The minions, too.
Shannon:Even moms have boyfriends.
Leif:Shannon, who do you have going down?
Shannon:I actually had going down. That might be, like, my
Shannon:writer brain, like, lizard brain working, but I
Shannon:just feel like the information that should not
Shannon:have let slip is out there now. and
Shannon:that's just, like, it can't be good for him,
Shannon:but I get that better relationship with
Shannon:his son. But I don't know. I think he hates Chuck.
Leif:That's why I had up neutral, because he
Leif:did escape his, manslaughter charges and
Leif:fraud.
Shannon:Yeah, I'm giving him a down for, like, an ominous
Shannon:foreboding. Like, there's a cloud hanging over him
Shannon:now, Jenny, I put down, but with, like,
Shannon:the caveat that it's gotta be rock
Shannon:bottom, girl. Like, you can only go up from here, but, like, you're at rock
Shannon:bottom. You're there.
Leif:She was the highest high last episode.
Shannon:Oh, yeah.
Leif:And that.
Shannon:It makes it. That makes the low feel that
Shannon:much worse.
Leif:Yeah.
Shannon:I also had Agnes going on because, like, she lost her partnership.
Shannon:Like, you had an amazing designer that wanted to
Shannon:work with you, and it was, like, in your age and, like, your friend
Shannon:circle, like, why you did that.
Shannon:rufus, big old down. you're losing
Shannon:your daughter. Rufus. Get it. Get it the
Shannon:fuck together.
Leif:Just. Just agree. Get her back in the ass. Else.
Leif:Shabbat.
Shannon:Just agree.
Leif:Anyone else?
Shannon:All right, Blair and Serena, neutral. Blair, Serena,
Shannon:Dan. I had neutral for this episode,
Shannon:Steve.
Leif:All right, so I had Serena going down for the same,
Leif:like, because you're still fucking following this guy
Leif:around when he's.
Leif:And you're clearly uncomfortable about it.
Leif:Yeah, you don't. Like, you're not happy about it, but you're just doing it to try to
Leif:prove.
Shannon:Yeah, but she's been doing that for a while. So, like, is it a down
Shannon:or is it just the same?
Leif:I mean.
Leif:I mean, you could keep going down.
Leif:Keep going.
Shannon:Ah.
Leif:I had Agnes and. And Jenny. I mean,
Leif:for the same reasons I had Rufus for being a
Leif:fucking horrible dad. I also had Dan
Leif:going down for how you. What you were saying about,
Leif:like, the. The missed opportunity.
Leif:Like. Yeah, I know. Like, in the. More I know that he did the moral
Leif:lesson of the show, but he also kind of
Leif:shot himself in the foot and covered up a
Leif:fucking murder and is now a
Leif:felon for having. For knowing this
Leif:information and not doing anything.
Leif:I didn't mention from, this week in fans segment, the fans
Leif:definitely fully fought into that being the moral act. They're
Leif:like, thank God Dan finally did something right.
Shannon:Wow, he really is, like, superhero
Shannon:powers this episode. He, like, cast a
Shannon:spell on everyone in the show and outside of
Shannon:it.
Leif:So I also had the minions going down as a
Leif:collective for the same reason.
Shannon:Lovely. Both thought of.
Leif:Yes, but I also have Alison
Leif:going down. You could have fucking been there for your kid too,
Leif:but you didn't want to start shit with Rufus.
Leif:no, honestly, that was the right thing. You don't want to get in the middle of
Leif:it.
Leif:You're right. But I still wanted. But because I had an opportunity to
Leif:take a shot at Allison. I took a shot at.
Shannon:You're going to be an absent parent. I don't think you get a say.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:Anyone else?
Leif:No. No. That is my going down list.
Leif:moving on to the best outfits.
Leif:But here's the best outfits from the.
Steve:Last episode we see.
Leif:So I want to get some honor mentioned. It's not my winner,
Leif:but, Bart had some very nice. He had, like, three or four good suits
Leif:in this episode.
Leif:Yeah. Yeah.
Leif:But, although, yeah, it's going to go to, Blair's outfit
Leif:from the epilogue. The. It's an
Leif:Alice and Olivia trellis printed a belted
Leif:dress. I felt like very, poison
Leif:ivy coated.
Leif:Oh, okay. Yeah.
Leif:Like, sickly, venomous Greene color.
Leif:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Leif:And the black tights. The black.
Shannon:She was dressed great, but, yeah, she.
Leif:Also had a very nice Marc Jacobs dress. The, like, a
Leif:houndstooth. The dress. The pinkish one. The
Leif:magenta.
Shannon:I liked that one.
Leif:what is your favorite outfit?
Shannon:so I felt like, there was a correct answer, and it wasn't the dress
Shannon:you mentioned, but it was Blair, and it was her birthday outfit.
Shannon:that was insane. It's not something I would ever wear
Shannon:or could pull off, but, for the kind of
Shannon:theme that they maybe had going, it looked like some people were kind of
Shannon:gatsby dressed. I don't know what the theme was, but she
Shannon:looked outstanding with the open back and
Shannon:the deep b. And her hair was, like, really well
Shannon:done as well. Did want to give a special shout out to. I
Shannon:actually really liked Serena's shirt during her photo shoot, though. It's
Shannon:like, it's like a sequin baseball tunic. Like,
Shannon:it's, like, at the sleeves, like a baseball tee, but it just, like, looked
Shannon:interesting. I've never seen a tunic like that. And I
Shannon:like Jenny's, like, honk ass makeup. I like her
Shannon:look. I know she's had it for a few episodes, but I'm, on this one,
Shannon:so, yeah, I think Blair's
Shannon:outfit was. It was just like.
Leif:I did really like that. But as we've mentioned in the
Leif:past, I'm, just not a fan of white clothes.
Shannon:Yeah, it's grayish. it's almost like a
Shannon:brownish grayish look.
Leif:That was whiter than a lot of clothes they were wearing at the white party.
Leif:Yeah.
Shannon:I might be misremembering. I just remember the cut of it
Shannon:and how she looked in it. I also thought she looked sexy as
Shannon:hell in her bathrobe. That black
Shannon:robe when she's talking to her mom in the mirror, I'm like, if you were
Shannon:talking to Chuck right now,
Shannon:riddle me that. I don't know.
Shannon:That's. Yeah, that's mine.
Leif:That's definitely white.
Shannon:I don't agree. It's like a
Shannon:cream. It's like a cream.
Leif:It's a shimmery. It's silk.
Leif:That's why.
Leif:Yeah, I'll just say, oh, my, my. Oh, hell
Leif:yes. I also wrote down Blair's party
Leif:dress. So
Leif:I was. I'm right there with you. I love this. And. And.
Leif:But, I mean, there's white this. That's white
Leif:Janet. Like that. Okay.
Leif:But,
Leif:But, yeah, I loved that dress, too. And I
Leif:was like, just, I had.
Shannon:Like, a couple of, like, the outfits this episode. Really good. And I had a couple
Shannon:in mind, and then as soon as she walked out, I was like, well, there's the correct.
Leif:Yeah, I really like the cut. I just didn't like the color.
Leif:Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fair. Yeah, yeah. Because
Leif:there, you're right. This was a great.
Shannon:The cut was like, I wouldn't pulled that off.
Shannon:Like, that cut is so impressive on her. I don't know.
Leif:so, yes. Stevie already gave yours, so that is it for some
Leif:segments. Shannon, thank you once again for joining us.
Leif:Thank you.
Leif:Do you have anything you would like to plug?
Shannon:Still is pouring away. No, I don't really.
Shannon:I want to plug this show, so that doesn't really
Shannon:work. Tell people about this show. That's my
Shannon:plug.
Leif:M maybe we'll have a patreon.
Shannon:And, dad, thank you for listening to me talk about, like,
Shannon:inappropriate thing. Love you.
Leif:What were the things that you were saying?
Leif:I didn't realize Shannon's dad was going to be listening. Let's take
Leif:this opportunity.
Leif:Steve, you got anything to plug this week?
Leif:If you are in the Lockhaven area
Leif:around August 19, or 18th and
Leif:19th. Or 19th and 20th.
Leif:Yeah, that's going to be. Well, this is going to air on October
Leif:21.
Leif:Hey, this past weekend, I played a gig up in
Leif:Lockhaven.
Leif:So awesome.
Leif:Awesome.
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Leif:the Magnificent Archibald.
Leif:The max episode description
Leif:reads, it's Thanksgiving and everyone's
Leif:battling holiday episode.
Leif:Holiday episode.
Leif:Yeah, and Nate's back there. I like his.
Leif:Yeah.
Leif:Ah, he has the title of the episode.
Leif:Yeah.
Shannon:You guys should prepare a Thanksgiving like what
Shannon:you're eating. Yeah.
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Leif:Xoxo.
Steve:Every time you walk away run away you take a
Steve:piece of m me with you there
Steve:every time you walk away or run away you take a
Steve:piece of m me with you there
Steve:every time you walk away or run away you take a
Steve:piece of me with you there
Steve:oh, it seems I'm walking right to
Steve:your door.
Leif:My heart's.
Steve:Still resting looking for something
Steve:more.
Leif:Are.
Steve:You ever gonna see everything you mean to me I'm
Steve:trying really hard to believe
Steve:every time you walk away or run away you take a
Steve:piece of me with you there
Steve:every time you walk away or run away you take a
Steve:piece of me with you there
Steve:every time you walk away or run away you take a
Steve:piece of me with you there
Steve:never feels right when I'm out here on
Steve:my own.
Leif:I.
Steve:Left last night and it feels like way
Steve:too long
Steve:are you ever gonna see everything you mean
Steve:to me I'm trying really hard to believe
Steve:every time you walk away run away you take a piece
Steve:of me with you there
Steve:every time you walk away or run away you take a
Steve:piece of me with you there
Steve:every time you walk away or run away you take a
Steve:piece of m me with you there
Steve:come back to me
Steve:smile and you'll make my life
Steve:complete
Steve:every time you walk away I run away you take a
Steve:piece of me with you there
Steve:every time you walk away or run away you take a
Steve:piece of me with you there
Steve:every time you walk away or run away you take a
Steve:piece of me with you there
Steve:every time you walk away or run away you take a
Steve:piece of me with you there
Steve:every time you walk away run away you take a
Steve:piece of m me with you there
Steve:every time you walk away and run away you take a
Steve:piece of meat with you there
Steve:every time you walk away or run away you take a
Steve:piece of me with you there
Steve:every time you walk away or run away you take a
Steve:piece of me with you there.