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“I love talking about rewiring your belief systems because, you know, your beliefs create your choices and your choices, you create your actions, and your actions create your reality,” says Kirsty Pratt—holistic coach, Ninja Warrior, and former Catholic schoolgirl—on this episode of Mental Health in a Modern World. Kirsty’s journey from being shaped by the rigid expectations of her upbringing to consciously liberating herself from inherited patterns is just the beginning.

A longtime collaborator with Paul Chek, Kirsty unpacks how her intuition flourishes in nature, why the “visionary” archetype defines her approach to life, and how struggles with people-pleasing and burnout became springboards for authentic growth. She reveals what it takes to honor boundaries, live from intuition, and shed the limiting beliefs we rarely realize we carry.

Tune in for an inspiring deep dive into self-mastery, archetypes, and the powerful intersection of creativity, discipline, and spiritual liberation—a roadmap for anyone seeking sovereignty in a modern world.

5 Key Takeaways

Unlock your self-mastery and growth by exploring your archetypes and bringing conscious awareness to your patterns—here are five actionable takeaways to start your journey:

1. Identify and work with one archetype each month, using the archetype wheel as a blueprint for personal growth and self-reflection
2. Pay special attention to your “survival archetypes” (prostitute, victim, saboteur, and child archetypes), as these reveal areas with the greatest potential for healing and transformation.
3. Practice saying “no” and setting clear boundaries in your communication and relationships to honor your authentic needs and avoid people-pleasing patterns.
4. Balance active seeking and productivity with rest and integration, especially when you notice signs of burnout—use nature as a tool to recenter and restore yourself.
5. Open yourself to receiving support—from others and the universe—instead of trying to do everything alone; asking for help is a strength, not a weakness.

Take action today: Choose one takeaway, implement it for a week, and notice what shifts in your mindset and life.

Memorable Quotes

"I love talking about rewiring your belief systems because your beliefs create your choices, your choices create your actions, and your actions create your reality."

"When I went through my quarter life crisis and really started spending time with myself and learning to love aspects of myself that I really hated, I realized how needed alone time is in my world, because without it, I am just out of balance."

"I've gotten really familiar with what is a healthy balance between doing the seeking, the learning, and the experiencing versus the resting. It's about enjoying the journey, reminding myself that there's not just a destination."

Connect with Kirsti

Website - https://www.nextgenerationsfitness.com/

Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/kirsti.pratt.coaching/

Resources Mentioned

The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle - https://amzn.to/3QHbCeB

The Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu - https://amzn.to/43XhJ1w

Connect with Greg

Website - https://www.healing4d.com/

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YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@gregschmaus

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I love talking about rewiring

your belief systems because you know, your beliefs

create your choices and your choices, you create

your actions, and your actions create your reality. And so it's interesting

with that being so deep in the spirituality, because those

deep beliefs that I was

indoctrinated into at a young age. Right.

Definitely did not create the re up that I wanted. In a

world moving faster than our minds were designed to handle, mental health is becoming

one of the defining challenges of our time. Welcome to Mental Health in a

Modern World with holistic health practitioner Greg Schmouse.

After overcoming severe anxiety and OCD in his own life,

Greg dedicated the past decade to helping others heal through a fully

integrated approach to mental health, combining lifestyle coaching,

psycho emotional healing, mindfulness, and archetypal work.

Over the years, he's facilitated thousands of sessions guiding people back to

peace, clarity, and a deeper connection with themselves.

Each week, Greg shares powerful solo insights, conversations with

leading voices in holistic healing, and immersive life coaching sessions that

take you inside the healing process itself. New episodes every

Friday follow the show and start reclaiming sovereignty over your mind

in a modern world. Here's Greg. Kirsty, welcome to the podcast.

Thank you, Greg. I'm so excited to be here. Anytime I get to hang out

with you is. Yeah. It's just amazing. Yeah. And we've been wanting to do

your archetype wheel for a while now. And so I reached out to you.

I'm like, I have the perfect opportunity, and you obviously took

me up on it. That's such a blessing. I'm like, score. Look at how the

universe provides. Yeah. So for

those of you listening, the archetype wheel

is a wheel that contains the 12 astrological houses,

and each of those houses correlates with a key area of your life.

And so the process that I took Kirstie through was we

determined the 12 core archetypes that she's working with in

this lifetime, four of them being the survival archetypes which

we'll get into, and then eight other archetypes that vary person

to person based on our unique path. And

so then I took Kirstie through a process of casting the wheel, which

you end up with one archetype in each house, which really

shines light on some of the key patterns and you could say,

contracts that we have in some of these key areas

of our life. So, Chris, I'd love to hear what that process was like

for you just to start, and then we'll dive into your wheel itself.

Yeah. You know, one thing that I love about this is I've gotten into

archetypes, but this, this was completely

different than how I've ever approached archetypes

before. And so what was really neat is starting off with

all of the deck of the cards and going through each archetype and as

you kind of explained what they are, and you could easily

have that mirror reflection and going, oh,

that one's, that one's heavy in me. And, and granted,

all of them, I saw aspects in me,

but there were ones where I'm like, ah, not so much. And others that were

like, yes, I can just feel it. And so it was really neat

starting this process by starting to really

hone in and being like, oh, yeah, I see where this archetype plays out. And

I see where this archetype plays out. I don't want to say the archetypes yet.

I don't want to. I don't want to spoil the wheel of which ones, which

ones were chosen. But it was really neat pulling those. And then

what I loved once, once we got through

those eight, and then picking the

child archetype was a very interesting, because

in my archetype work, I've never done more than just

the child archetype. I've never looked at, you know, the wounded, the

orphan, the nature, you know, the divine child. I've never

looked at any of those. And so that process was really

neat going through and, and as we laid them out

and you intuitively, you know, were like, we set the

stage and I picked each one, it was kind of like this smirk

just came over my face and seeing where

different ones landed in each house. And I'm really

looking forward to seeing today

how it goes much deeper than what we've already done. But

it was a fantastic, fantastic

experience. And especially for those who are into archetypes and know it,

and even for those who are, like, don't know it, I, I

even too, you didn't know Michael was like, across the room, there were a few

archetypes. And he goes, yep, that's you.

That's awesome. Yeah. So it was, it was a neat experience,

for sure. Yeah, very cool, Very cool. And so what

we're going to do in this episode is we're going to go through Kirstie's wheel.

Just like if I were giving a client a reading. We're going to

explore Kirstie's wheel, Kirsty's going to get a reading, and then you guys will

get a little insight into what it's like to cast your

wheel and to go through it like we're going to do today. So,

Christie, ready to dive into the first house? I will and I will

preface, we've gone over absolutely

nothing together, so I am getting this spoiler

just when you guys are getting it too. So it'll be very

interesting. Yeah. Yes, I'm ready. So Kirstie

has received no reading in terms of her wheel yet.

And I have not really looked at it other than when we casted it

because I like to read it intuitively and feels the most authentic.

So I'm basically looking at it with beginner's mind as well.

So if we start with house number one, House number

one represents your ego and personality. So this

really represents who you are. So when

Kirsty asks herself, who am I? It's a

visionary. Right. So the archetype that

most correlates with your sense of self

and your sense of identity is the visionary

archetype, which is your capacity to see the unseen, to be an

innovator and to have like big

picture view. That makes so much sense.

Correlating it to numerous aspects in my life.

Yeah, I'd love to hear any initial feedback on that.

Yeah, you know, there's one, one

thing that Michael has always said and it's, it's very interesting

and for those who don't know, I'm just saying this random guy's name, Michael is

my partner. Is. He always has said, when you set

your mind to something, nothing's going to get in your way

of stopping. And I was like, oh really? And then I took a

reflection of my life and seeing once

that vision gets there or even if

someone thinks that there's nothing there. And I'm like, no, we

have this and we have this and we have this that we can do in

this space. Really plays a big thing. And so, you know,

a big thing is, is my past of Ninja warrior having the

vision of being a high

performing athlete and turning that into

a reality. You know, most people when they look at that, they're like, no, that's

not possible. Or that can't do that. And I'm like, yeah, why not? And

even, you know, becoming, I would say

family with, with the checks. You know,

before we even like, I met him once and

Michael and I, we were like, oh yeah, we're going to be really good friends

with the Czechs. And literally, you know, we're, we're great,

we're great friends and even family with the Czechs. And so I would

say things that I pursue in life

and even where we're at now in Canada and now

going for permanent residency and deciding that we wanted to do that.

Having that vision of doing things in my life that most people

look at my life and they go, oh, that's a little crazy.

And that's just kind of normal for me.

Yeah. You know, it's funny because when you were sharing

about the American Ninja Warrior look across

from your visionary. Oh, it is the warrior.

Yeah. Yeah. So the archetypes that are across from each other have a

unique relationship. They kind of like feed off of each other and they work

with one another. And so the. The

warrior sitting across from the visionary says that there's

a relationship between those two archetypes where the visionary sees the

vision and then the warrior is like the strength, courage,

discipline to follow it and take action on it. Does

that make sense? Yeah, 100%. And a lot of the things

that I have accomplished in, you know, personal life or

personal goals or business goals have really taken

a lot of discipline. And I can see

how that warrior archetype helped

with that foundation of the visionary. Very interesting.

Yeah. So if you just have the visionary without the warrior, it

just stays a vision. But when you have the visionary and then the warrior

taking action, then it becomes a reality.

That's neat. Very cool. The other thing that I'll share, because whenever

I'm looking at the wheel, I'm seeing it multi dimensionally. I'm not just looking at

the isolated houses. So

you see the nature child in the 12th house behind it.

The 12th house is your unconscious,

and the first house being the ego personality, is your conscious mind.

So imagine you're driving a car. The

conscious mind is in the driver's seat. The unconscious is the backseat driver.

You have the visionary in the driver's seat, and the nature child is the backseat

driver. And so what this tells me is that a lot

of your vision and intuition comes through spending time in

nature. That's exactly what it is. Yeah.

Anytime I'm overwhelmed too, I go, I'm just. I'm just gonna go

lay, lay in nature. And it's. Things will just completely

funnel out and. Yeah. And. And funnel in. Or I'll

just, you know, it's like people get ideas in the shower. I get ideas

when I'm literally just walking in the woods. Yeah,

interesting. Yeah. So nature is really kind of like the.

The source of clarity for the visionary. And then

the last thing I'll say is one of my mentors many years ago,

you know, she said, every teacher, like, say, in this

space is on some level,

either Like a teacher of the past, a teacher of the present, or a teacher

of the future. And they all have value.

For example, if we take our

mutual teacher, Paul, Check. I see

Paul. And hey, Paul, if you're listening to this, love you.

I hope you don't mind me sharing this. I see Paul as a teacher of

the past. And what that means is a teacher of the past,

it's almost like they carry this library of

thousands of years of wisdom inside of them.

Like, when you look into their eyes, it's just like this eternity

of wisdom from the past that they're carrying, and they're

bringing it into the present to help people remember.

Like, remember, oh, yeah, this is how I'm supposed to eat. This is how I'm

supposed to move. This is how I'm supposed to read. This is how I'm supposed

to feel, right? So to me, Paul is very much

an incredible teacher of the past, carrying

wisdom of thousands of years of history into the present

moment to help people remember. Now,

if we take a teacher of the present,

like in Eckhart Tolle, the Power of now, it's a

teacher of the present, right? Aram Dass is a teacher of the

present. I, for myself, identify as a teacher of the present,

which is why, for example, like, when I'm coaching someone or even on this

podcast, I don't prepare anything because I want to

speak to what's happening in this moment.

The visionary is a teacher of the future.

Of, like, this is what I see, this is what I envision, this is what

I anticipate. Right? So a

visionary is usually someone who is able to

see into the future, come back,

and then know how to take steps towards that reality.

I'm curious how that lands for you. Yeah,

a lot. Especially too, with. With. I'm glad that you

use Paul as an example, because I think that that is why

me and him do work really well together, right?

Because he has all this wisdom and experience in this.

And I'm like, we can do this. We can go this way.

This is what's missing. This is what we need to do. And this is what's

really going to help get this out there or share this or

people are going to get the best results with this. And I can see

that aspect in numerous ways that

I've coached people where they're like, I don't understand how to get there. And

I'm like, it's easy. We just need to do this, this. And they're like, oh,

I never thought about that. Which is very interesting. It's very analytical for

me. Even though it's very visionary in, in the future, it's very

analytical for me and how to get there. It's

usually intuitive. The vision comes

intuitively and then it, and then it goes analytically

of how we're going to pursue it. And so I

can see that in numerous areas and even

in my own goals and something as

simple as, you know, I want it to put on more

muscle over the past year. And I was like, okay,

these are the steps. I see it, this is what it is, this is how

it is. And so it doesn't. It's not always just giant life

things. With the work that I do with Paul, the work that I do with

my business or clients, I see it in even very

mundane, simple things of reaching my goals

with fitness or reaching my goals with being

more centered in myself. And as you, you

shared that too. You know, Michael and I, we,

we recently have gone through a beautiful

growth and transformation time in our life, which has really

encouraged me to be more

centered. And I can see how the visionary,

as soon as, as soon as we were going through it, and I'm like, I'm

using these tools to stay centered and through, you know,

through the storm. I'm like, okay, next time we go through this,

this is what I need to do more of. And then, and then we went

through another round of it and I, and I had that plan because I had

that visionary with it. And I go, this is all I need to do. This

is going to help me stay centered in the chaos and the growth and

the challenges. And so I very much see it on a, on a macro scale,

scale in my life and on a micro scale in my life, which is very

cool. Which is very beautiful. Beautiful.

So if we jump to House two. So you see House two

relates to your life values. So the

second House relates to your value system. It relates

to your material values like your finances, your

resources, the things that you claim ownership

of. And it also relates to

your sense of how you value yourself, like your self esteem,

your self worth, and so your own

intrinsic sense of value and what I have to offer

the world. So what I have and what I have

to offer, that's where a lot of our sense of value comes from.

And so you have the Midas there. And so the Midas

is very abundant. It's very creative. It's.

The Midas is very much an archetype of manifestation.

And so what this tells me is

the Midas and that creative spark

and that desire to manifest is where you derive

value from. Like, I value myself as a creator.

Like the visionary has the vision in the first house. And then Midas is like,

okay, now I'm going to bur birth that into

something of value. Right. So like when you

were sharing about how you bring that energy to Paul,

that's actually a lot of the Midas too. Of like, I see

how we could take that idea or that wisdom or that knowledge or that vision

and turn it into. And create it into this, which is now

of real value. Yeah, it's interesting that you

say that too, because as you're sharing that, I see both, both

the ways that I've positively

done that in my life. And I. I would say I

really feel like over these last three,

four years, I've really been finding that stride in

honing that gift in a way and that

archetype in a way that it's like literally when we just moved, I was like,

look at what we manifested. We got everything we asked

for and a lot more in, in holding

the vision. And it's interesting of what you said with the

visionary, of how the warrior was across from, from it, the

saboteur is across from, from the Midas. And I can

see how reflecting on things in

my past where

I let or chose a mindset

to manifest and focus on more of what I didn't want

to then create a reality that I didn't want. And

so I can see how those are kind of

intertwined and I can see how stepping into that archetype very

positively in my

life has, has changed a lot of things because that is one thing that I

do value. I'm like, yeah, well, I'm such a good manifest. Yeah,

well, like you said, there's a light and shadow side to all the archetypes. So

the shadow side also in the second house would be when the Midas

only values itself based on what it creates.

Where, for example, like if I'm in a

phase of rest or a phase of more

introspection or a phase of not as much output,

like, how much does that take, take a hit on my self worth?

Do I still feel good, worthy,

esteem and value within myself when I'm

resting and taking a day off or a week off versus

when I'm pumping out and creating and manifesting in the world?

Yeah, I'm laughing because that, it's. That's like hitting the nail

on the head of, of a place where I've chosen to do

a lot of work because resting was

really hard for me, validating myself on What I

was creating was a big thing, validating myself on how

much money I was making. And it's been

a lot of work towards that to

allow myself to just sink into the

resting. And I have found nature

usually helps that. Yeah, yeah.

So I mean, you're hitting the nail on the head

with that. And it's really neat to see both of these aspects in my life

of how they're playing out and how they just

intuitively were chosen in this house but

have been there all along. Yeah, absolutely. And I'll

share more about the opposition of the Midas and the Saboteur once

we get to the eighth house. Yeah, so I'll save that because there's

more there. So if we jump to the third

house. The third house is the

house of communication, the house of perception

and how you perceive and interact with the world.

Right. So this is where you have your first survival archetype, which is the

prostitute. And the prostitute always relates

to our sense of value and integrity.

Right. And one of the things that the prostitute often does

is the prostitutes often trying

to guarantee something. Yeah,

Right. So I'm trying to guarantee security. I'm trying to

guarantee that I'll be liked by this person.

So if you look at it in the house of communication,

the prostitute could be, for example, like a little bit of like a

people pleaser or like a.

A yes girl. Right. Like the prostitute in the

third house might have a hard time saying no. You know, it's

interesting that when, when we first did this and I saw

that in there instantly I was thinking things of

my childhood, I would say anything I needed to say

to be, you know, liked by the group, you know,

to prostitute myself, to be accepted

and a hundred percent.

And it took a while before being

confident in who I am and what I bring

to the table and that my people will just find me by being

me. And so very much a

yes, a yes woman, very much

I want them to like me. So I'm going to hold back my

truth even if I'm uncomfortable. For sure,

100%. Yeah. So the key in the third house is how

my desire to guarantee something impacts

my self expression. Right.

And you know how like Paul says, your yes has no value

until you learn to say no. That's a big lesson for the prostitute in the

third house because the prostitute doesn't value its

no. The prostitute is always like, I am available

for whoever, whenever. And

so that's a big theme with the prostitute is really the

valuing of your yeses and no's. I Would. I would

also say to.

There was a difference in my life when you say valuing of

actually implementing it. You know what I mean? And not just writing it on the

paper of like, no, I won't do this or no, I

won't stand for that type of dynamic or friendship or business partnership

or client or whatever versus actually

saying no. Yeah, yeah,

yeah. So that, that resonates with you in the third house.

100%. Oh my goodness. Yeah. And, and again, it's something

to. I would say with that again,

there's been a lot of work and around.

What do my boundaries look like? What authentically feels good for me? Because

the, the thing that would go through my head is, well, if I

say this, what are, what are they going to say? Are

they going to be, you know, are they going to be offended? Are they going

to think this? Are they going to think that? And it's like, like

it's okay. And it would be on simple things and, you know,

big business things. And it's like, no, it's, it's, it's okay

to, to put a boundary. And so I would say learning

from my experiences and sometimes I've learned them the lesson

numerous, numerous, numerous times before

choosing to be like, oh, this isn't, this isn't working for me. This doesn't feel

good for me anymore. I don't like, I don't like being the prostitute

in this. And radically getting clear

on my. No. And standing firm with it even when it's

uncomfortable having that sweaty palm conversation.

Yeah. It's so funny. These three so far, it's like

nailing everything right on the head

of aspects of me. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome.

So if we go to the fourth house, the fourth house relates to home and

family life. So that's home and family of origin and

current home and family life. So the guide

in the fourth house, the first thing would be. I'm curious

if, if you ever find yourself wanting

to guide family members. Oh, yeah.

When I first started getting into this, I would

say it was probably more the negative,

negative sense of the guide. And I learned that I.

Much more desire of taking that backseat. And, and

they know what I do, so when they want support and help, they'll come to

me. And they do now, which is funny. But it is very much

a. Yeah, A lot of my family

will come to me. Yeah. Yeah. In that. And the, the

evolution of that, like you said, is kind of like, you know, allowing them to

come to you but not like projecting. It's a lot of the influence

of the hermit across from it

is the hermit kind of like stays in his or her own domain.

And yeah, people come to the hermit for guidance, but the

hermit doesn't go chasing, you know, doesn't go

controlling. It doesn't go trying to micromanage.

So that's always the shadow side of the guide is trying to micromanage people's

journey rather than just letting them have their journey and

they'll come to you for guidance when they need it. Yeah. So the

guide really shows up in home and family life.

And there's a few other almost like,

deeper aspects of it, which is the

fourth house represents where home is.

And so you could say part of your work as a guide

is guiding people back home to themselves. And literally it's

something that I repeat constantly to

clients. And even, you know, if a friend's asking me for

advice or anything like that. Like, this is, this is my opinion. But

you're gonna, you're gonna know what's best for you. Like, deep down,

you're gonna know what's best for you. So even though this, if, if I was

in this situation, this is how I would handle it. That's coming from my perspective

and my experience. Only Greg's going to know, you know,

what to do in this situation, only you're going to know what to do in

this situation. And it's always coming back to, how

do you feel, what's going on you know best. Right. And

teaching them how to. How to feel that. Yeah.

And the guide being at home, like we said, guiding people back home to themselves,

and then the hermit across from it is guiding people

inward, not telling people what to do, but guiding

people back to their own inner guidance system. Yeah.

And then the last piece, the.

The fourth house, because it's our home and family of

origin, it's where our parents reside.

And so part of the work with the guide, which the guide is a lot

about, intuition is,

number one, being a guide for someone. Don't be a parent for them, but be

a guide for them. There's a lot of people looking for guidance or

looking for a parent to tell them what to do, which

Paul talks a lot about that. But also one

of the things that interferes

with our inner guidance system is the voices

of our mother and father inside of us.

So, you know, Carl Jung talks about the process of individuation,

which is the process of differentiating from mom and dad

so you can access your own inner guidance system. And

so that whole process of clearing out the.

The shadow or unconscious imprints of mom

and dad allows the guide to really become clearer

and clearer and clearer. Does that make sense? A hundred percent.

Yeah. Especially like I said the other day, this came

right at that perfect time as I'm diving deeper into the shadow

work of the imago DEI and the mother and the father

archetypes and, and, and how they play out. So it's very

relevant. Yeah, yeah. Beautiful.

So now we'll jump over to the fifth house,

which the fifth house relates to your sense of joy,

creativity, sexuality.

The fifth house goes back to childhood. It's

really our house of, like, play, fun, creative expression.

On a deeper level, the fifth house also is where we discover our

gifts. And so with the victim in

the fifth house, Whenever we see the victim in

the fifth house, we want to explore

any wounds around creative expression.

Oh, a hundred percent. For example, like, I was judged

for my artwork or my voice or, like,

so there's, there's these wounds or experiences of

victimization around our creativity. I'm

curious, what comes up for you. There's. Yeah, you know, there's. There's a couple

things. I went to a Catholic school, I grew up in a

Catholic school. And so there was a lot of. We do

things this way and we stay in these lines and we do

this. And I remember even something as simple

as we were, we were coloring, and this was in kindergarten, and we

were coloring in some pictures, and everyone was already moved on

and it was time to move on to something else. Okay, it's good enough. Go

and hurry up and rush me on to, you know,

when I was full on enjoying my creative expression of

how I wanted to mix these colors together and how I wanted to do that

or even aspects of singing

when I was younger and being

very self conscious about my singing voice because

I got made fun of for it and because

my athleticism got praised and

my creativity got, you know,

squashed and squandered on and even more so with

that. I was told that I had a learning disability

when I was younger, when I don't really think I had a learning disability. I

just think I liked to do things differently and

create creatively. And, you know, my mom

said, she goes, like, if you were like, just goofing off and like, looking in

the mirror and like, doing like, you know, weird things, she's like,

you had no problem with your spelling.

And so because I was told we need to follow

this way, we need to be in this direction. And my

athleticism was praised, I a hundred percent

shut a lot of my creativity down. A lot

of it down. And even as I've become

an adult and, you know, did. Started getting into

mandalas, my first mandala that I made, it was like all

this judgment and all the. The, you know, the

suppression was coming out and so. Hundred percent.

One hundred percent. Yeah. So a lot of the victim in the fifth house

is healing. The. The inner

critic and the residue of the outer critics

that relate to our creativity. And that begins to then open up

kind of like this. Well, of inner gifts that are then allowed to be

expressed. So whenever we see survival

archetypes in these houses, that's where the

most amount of power and energy is bound

up. And so it's where the most

energy potential lies to be

released. Right. So that fifth house with the

creativity and the victim there is definitely a key

one where there's more and more that can

be uncovered and reclaimed. A hundred

percent. And, you know, it's interesting as you're talking about, even when

I look at what I do a lot of now, I get

to be creative. Yeah. With a lot of

my work, which is very interesting and. Yeah,

very interesting. Beautiful. So if we go to house

six. And also I just want to mention that

the 12 houses correlate with the 12 months. So we're in the

sixth house this month because we're in June.

And so at least when we're filming and recording this. And so

the sixth house relates to work and health. So the sixth house

relates to our job, occupation, so outer work,

sense of purpose, but also inner work. And it also relates to all

aspects of our health, physical, mental, emotional, spiritual.

And so you have the seeker in the sixth house. And so work

and health are the two areas where the seeker is always pursuing,

you know, a deeper layer, greater truth. The seeker in the

sixth house, if we start with your work, what it says to me is it's

a very different energy than, for example, there's someone who

spent 50, 60, 70 years working

the same job in the same office, nine to

five, same routine for decades upon decades. The

seeker would be miserable in that. I was gonna keep talking

about that. Sounds horrible. Yeah. The seeker's always

pursuing that next level of depth or that

next iteration of my work. And so the.

The seeker is. It's. You know how Paul talks about, like, the horizon is always,

you know, you take one step towards it, it takes one step away from you.

So in your work, there's always going to be that seeker that's always,

okay, what's the next iteration? What's the next version? What's the next.

Which can Be a blessing and a curse. The blessing

is constant evolution. The curse is it never feels like it's

enough. Yeah. And so that's. There's a little

internal wrestling match with that challenge

related to your work. I'm curious how that lands. Oh, yeah,

100%. I've come to

terms with. There's.

It's. How far do I want to take in?

There's always going to be more to do. And in

my early part of my career, I don't think I

understood this about myself or

about the world. I thought there was like this end goal in

a way, and then I reach it and then that's it. And

we just. We just ride that and everything that you said that would

make me miserable. But then when I realized there

wasn't and there's so much to learn, I then fell into the trap of

overdoing and constantly going and then almost falling into

the, well, shit, do I know anything?

Do I know anything? And it's really come to this

balance out of I have a lot of

experience and I have a lot of wisdom in a lot of areas.

And at the same time, there's so

much more to experience. And so

I've gotten really familiar or

really clear with what is a healthy

balance between doing the seeking, the going and the

learning and the experiencing versus the

resting. And because that resting has always been a challenge for me in

the past, and that muscle has grown stronger over the years, I

can very much feel when I'm teetering too

much. And so that for sure has been a big pull in my life. But

I'm always like, it's, how far do I want to take this today? There's always

tomorrow. How far do I want to take this? There's always going to be more

to do. There's always going to be more to see, and it's. It's okay to

take my time. And then that's also when I remind myself that

there's not that destination. It's about enjoying the journey.

Literally, the process is the journey. And it's having conversations

with myself like, okay, we. We need a break. And that's okay that we're not

learning anything or going out and really

pushing. It's okay that we're just integrating.

That's probably the correct word of how powerful integrating

they. The wisdom and the experiences I've gotten

from the seeker. Yeah, yeah. So huge pull in my life.

Huge pull. Yeah. Yeah. And I will say, when it wasn't balanced, that's when

I found myself in burnout. And so because the sixth house governs

health. What this says is health challenges

will be a result of the seeker being out of balance.

Yeah, 100%. Like that's what happened when I burned out. Yeah.

And I can see when I'm teetering that line because

I do feel it in my body and I feel it in different

areas or symptoms, and I'm like, oh, I'm doing too much. And don't get me

wrong, there's times in life, you know, where things are just

stressful and things are just going and

this has to play out. But when I remind myself that there

is this end goal, like this, this push, the seeker is

ending soon. When it's done, I have to remind myself that

I can downshift. But that downshift can sometimes be challenging. And it is.

It will show up in my health. A hundred percent. Yeah. And when

that does show up, the archetype across from it brings you back into balance.

The nature child. Right. Because nature is the law of

balance. And that's literally how I downshift. Even in the

winter time. One of my favorite things is to like bundle up

and just lay out in the cold because that yin,

that cold to that, that yang, that doing very

much balances out. And it's really neat too, because I've always known nature was really

healing for me, but I'm now seeing why this picture

outside of the beautiful benefits of nature, but, like, how deep that

archetype is. Yeah, yeah. What's beautiful about the wheel

is there's things that you know, but you maybe you don't know why.

And then the archetype wheel is like, oh, that makes sense. Now I

understand why. Blank. And so that word that you used,

integration, is really the most important thing for

the seeker in the sixth house is the seeker is the

pursuit. And then the pursuit also has to be matched with integration.

And so I'm so glad that you use that word

because it's so important for the sixth house there.

I've learned from burnout. Yeah. From

overdoing it. Yeah. Awesome. So now we go to House 7.

So House 7 is one on one relationships.

And so the warrior in the seventh house, the

warrior is obviously a very strong archetype. It's a lot about

strength and protection, knowing what you

stand for, knowing what you're willing to live and die for.

And so it's very interesting actually having the warrior

show up in one on one relationships. And so

that can show up as obviously light and shadow.

The light side is really standing up for

and protecting the Relationships that are closest

to you and most valuable to you, like being a protector of

the relationships that really mean the most to you.

And the commitment of the warrior is quite

significant in the seventh house. The challenge that

the warrior can run into in the seventh house

is, number one, could unconsciously go to battle

sometimes, or number two, the

warrior can be loyal to a fault.

I fight for something that I really just need to surrender,

or I stay in something longer than its expiration date, or

I'm not willing to just let it go. Yeah. You know,

I keep fighting for it. I see that trend

numerous times in romantic relationships. Okay.

Numerous times that. The shadow side of it.

And one thing, when it gets flipped on the light side,

it's, yeah, like, I'll be there when things hit the fan. We can make it

through challenging times. And so when

relationships hit that turmoil and I can. I can see it

in. In friendships too, but I can really see it when you're

in partnership with people, you get that mirror

straight up. But I can see it in numerous of my

relationships is like, well, come on, we can work through this. This is no big

deal. And, yeah, I'm usually the one that's, hey,

let's. Let's do this. We got this. What's interesting is I always thought that had

to do more with a widget could. An attachment

style. And I've done a lot of work on my attachment styles with it.

But the way that you're talking about the warrior in that, from

a shadow side, I'm like, oh, my goodness. Yes.

I've done that numerous times. When it's time to just

let it go, I don't put the sword down. I'm like, no, no. Like,

let's. We got this. Yeah. And they're like, no, I'm good. Like,

why? But again, like I said, that's been way on the

positive side of two. Because those who are in my inner circle

and when I've gotten really clear with, like, oh,

this is the boundary that I need to have around the friendships or the romantic

relationships, because every relationship hits some sort of

turmoil, like

when things hit the fan or things get chaotic, like, I'm there in the

foxhole with you. Like, I. I got you. Like, I got

you. And I love that aspect. I love that aspect.

Yeah. And so the big thing with the warrior is also being very

conscious of your alliances and

make sure that you're. You're willing to live and die for the person

that you're in the foxhole with and make sure that you're Choosing a person that's

willing to do the same. And that's been the learning and

growth opportunities of the past. But I can see

the prostitute. It's very interesting because that's when the prostitute would come in. It's not

really a crazy cross permit, but that's when the

prostitute would come in. Yeah. To still prostitute

myself to be in the foxhole with them when they just need to be in

the. They need to be in another one. Yeah. You know, and it's

interesting too is a lot of those. The

shadow side too is when

I'm still ready to battle and be loyal for it.

I've gotten numerous times and, and even on the positive side,

numerous times that I can be very intense in

relationships. And I think that makes sense because the warrior is,

is ready to go and is ready to fight and is ready to be there.

Yeah, the warrior definitely has an intensity. And

so in one on one relationships, you can see where that shows up.

Hundred. This is, I have to say, dude, this is crazy

of how like on point these aspects are to

different parts of my life so far. Like it's literally nailing

it across the board of archetypes that I

hold and have held deeply. Well, you

chose it. So. Yes. So the eighth

house. Eighth house is other people's resources.

So you see, the eighth house sits across from the second house. So the second

house is your resources. Mm. Which is essentially

what you have and what you have to offer others.

And then the eighth house would be what other people have to offer

you, what you might want or need from others.

And so the Sabbath tour in the eighth house,

what that says to me is. Well, it could say a couple things. The

first would be challenges with receiving.

Right. Because the eighth house is other people's money, power, authority,

resources that you might want or need from them. So the

saboteur might, for example, have a hard time asking for help

of like, hey, I need, I need a favor or could you help me out

with this? And it's interesting because it sits next to the

warrior. So sometimes the warrior tries to do everything

himself or herself. And then the Saboteur in the 8th House

of other people's resources. I have a hard time asking for help.

Oh yeah. And that was felt like such a wound

too when I did have to ask for help of. Well, why can't you just

figure it out on your own? Like why do you, you know. And it,

that one took a long time too. And it was actually

Paul telling the story of him trying to do it all

alone and Then the bee spirit came to him

saying, bees don't make honey alone. And me really stepping back.

And even when I look at things that I think that I'm

doing by myself, I'm not really

doing by myself. And really.

Which is interesting, the ninth one we're getting into, but really flipping.

That mindset of it's

not weak. Asking for help when

I need help. It's actually a really strong quality to

say, hey, I. I need your support here. Can you help me

here? That one's. That one's taken a while. And I definitely can see where

more Work on it. Continued work on it can

unlock more. Like what you were talking about in the victim,

where it holds the most energy potential.

Yeah, I definitely see where more can be unlocked.

Asking for help. Yeah. And so the big theme in

the eighth house is healing. The Savage

tours a lot about opening myself up to receiving.

Opening myself up to asking for a helping hand,

being willing to receive what others have to offer me rather than

always what I have to offer them. I'm. I'm laughing

because also, too, another thing Paul would tell me,

and you know Paul, like, when he talks, he can talk really, really close. Like

when he has something really impactful to tell you is he

would tell me, you don't have to do it all on the. On your own.

You don't have to lift it all on your own. He's like, you can let

the universe do it. And so even not just

with other people, even the universe

of being like, it's okay. Like, let the universe work its magic. It's okay.

That's funny. Yeah. Yeah. Right on.

Beautiful. So if we go to House 9, you have the

Liberator. House 9 is the House of spirituality.

It's the house of your relationship with God, spirit, religion.

And so the Liberator is all about freeing yourself

on a spiritual level. So, for example, you mentioned being born

and raised in a Catholic upbringing. So the

Liberator is part of your archetypal journey of freeing

yourself from some of the maybe imposed

beliefs, some of the restrictions

that maybe organized religion felt like it was placed upon you.

Oh. And so the Liberator is breaking free from all of

the religious or spiritual shackles

that you may have felt were, you know, attached to

you for times in the past.

Yeah. And again, the relevancy, the timing of this,

as I've been digging deeper into

those beliefs and just two,

three weeks ago, just unlocking a lot of those that I

realized I was still carrying with me, even on an

unconscious level of specific Beliefs

that was right or wrong and what. How I should be living my life and

really looking at those and being like, no, that doesn't serve me

anymore. And so it's interesting looking at the Liberator

in this house with having that upbringing,

I have such great beliefs to sit through

and see what else, what else I

want to believe and how I want to believe. And it's interesting, too, because

that's a passion of

when I get in conversations with people and when I talk

with clients or anyone. I love talking about

rewiring your belief systems because, you know,

your beliefs create your choices and your choices,

you create your actions, and your actions create your reality. And so, like,

I get so jazzed about that. And so it's

interesting with that being so deep in the

spirituality, because those deep

beliefs that I was indoctrinated into at a young

age. Right. Definitely did not create the reality

that I wanted. Yeah. And so one thing I'll

add, because we do have a light and shadow side,

the light side of the Liberator in the ninth house is freeing yourself

from, you could say, like we said, the shackles of organized religion,

maybe the limitations of it or the restrictions of it or the

imposed beliefs around it, but then also

making sure that the Liberator doesn't swing to the other

extreme where it's just like, floating free and

not grounded or anchored in anything. You know,

that's what I would see as

one of the shadow sides of, like, New Age spirituality

is there's a swinging to the opposite of extreme of

instead of being in an organized religion now, they're not grounded in

anything. There is something beautiful to a tradition

or a discipline or something that

you really ground and root yourself into. And so

sometimes the Liberator can be resistant to that

because of how it's felt imprisoned in the past.

So it's finding the balance. Yeah, for sure. And

I can see how when I first started, I'll put in quotes, the

spiritual journey, because it's been the whole time, but when it initially

happened is I can see where that

definitely just the pendulum swung

massively to the other side. And I would say

these last couple years and again, doing. Working so closely with Paul,

living with them for two and a half years, like that really helped

tame the pendulum out from not swinging so far. And I would say when

I first met them in person and started

working with them in person, it was on that shadow side

of the Liberator. And it really helped ground me

out for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Beautiful. Yeah.

And so now we Go to your highest potential.

Yay, the hermit.

And so the highest potential is the hermit. A couple

things. It obviously highlights the importance of solitude,

right. The importance of really spending time

with yourself, your own time, your own space,

as a way of really deeply coming to know yourself. The highest potential

is self mastery with the hermit. So the highest

potential is always an inward journey. It's not

an outward pursuit. And so the hermit

really highlights that. The pursuit of the highest

potential is really through inner mastery. I think there's one of

the verses in the Tao Te Ching, it's something like,

to know others is intelligence. To know yourself

is wisdom. To master others is strength. To

master yourself is power. And that's to me

like the verse of the hermit in the Highest Potential.

I think it's verse 33, if I'm not mistaken.

So how does that land for you? Well, and I was. I

was talking with you about this the other day is I

love my alone time. I love. I love being with people,

but I love my alone time. I love

just. Even if it's doing absolutely nothing, it. It

fuels me, it recharges me. And when

Michael and I were living in an rv, it was so hard

to feel like I could really get that

deep hermit time that I craved. Because

sometimes I don't want to leave the house when I Herman. Sometimes I just want

to like, Herman around the house. But they're. The house wasn't

that big. Yeah. Or even. Or even going outside. And

so I would say that this is something in

my younger years I didn't really

know about myself and I didn't feed into.

And when I went through my quarter life crisis and

really started spending time with myself and learning to love

aspects of myself that I really hated, I'm like, I don't

understand how people don't like spending time, time alone. And

it really became this aspect of

it's so needed in my world because without

it, I am just out of balance.

Lassitfully. Yeah. And what's beautiful

is the hermit sits across from the guide. And

you know, as we know in. In the tarot, the herm, the hermit

is a guide. Right. Because the hermit climbs

up the mountain, spends time in isolation, does its

inner work, and it comes back down holding the lantern as a guide

for others. And so the guide and the

hermit across from each other are really strong opposition

because they very much are like two sides of one coin.

And the hermit being in the highest potential across from

the guide. What it also says is as you get

closer to your highest potential, whatever that Looks like

you begin to guide people without having to say anything.

Like Paul says, like, the greatest teacher is the silent teacher.

I love that. So that's the hermit in your highest potential.

Yeah, I love that a lot. Me too.

So now we go to house 11.

So the 11th house relates to community.

It relates to group relationships, tribe.

So how Paul has the I. We all

think of the first house as I, the seventh house is we,

and the 11th house as all. So three

or more. You're in the 11th house, and so you have the

lover there. And so the lover

in the 11th house very much

thrives on community, loves

connection to tribe. Like, the heart opens

when you enter that relationship at an all level.

Maybe even more so than on a we level.

Yeah, I think it depends what the tank

is needing fuel from, but yeah, especially with the hermit next to

it. Correct. Yeah. And I can tell, though, it's

interesting you say that, because I thought it was just the age I was in.

You know, how 1 to 7 is root chakra. You know, 8 to

14 is sacral chakra.

I'm in the fifth chakra. And so I was kind of like, oh, maybe that's

just me wanting to voice and connect with my tribe and my community, because that

has been something heavily since

2021 that I've been like, oh,

like tribe that is actually aligned with me

being my authentic self. And it does. Like, when there's

workshops, when there's actually a group event that I feel

aligned with, I just come home and I'm, like,

jazzed, and I'm, you know, I'm buzzed. Like, we have a few people we're

meeting with this summer and having community. Like, I'm jazzed about

that. Like, it does 100% fuel me. And like I said, it fuels me

in a different way then the we fuels me

in a different way than the I fuels me. It's very interesting,

but once I'm done, I'm. I'm ready to Herman. Yeah.

But I feel determined, and I crave that. Yeah, yeah.

It's a great balance. And what's really

interesting is having the warrior energy

in the we relationships and the lover energy

in the all relationships, because the

warrior and the lover are also, like, two

polarities. And so it's very interesting

that you have these very different energies

that show up at the we level versus at the all level.

What would be the shadow side of the lover in the all?

The shadow side of the lover at the all. Well, the lover

can. The lover can become almost like a little bit like, the

prostitute.

So the lover unconsciously

can be a little bit of a yes person, a people pleaser,

maybe some of those attachment wounds. So

the lover and the prostitute could be like, almost like the shadow

expression of the lover. I can 100% see that. And I will say

too, I, there's many times in the past when

group events have gone on and I would get so much FOMO

even if I didn't want to be there. Yeah. And over,

over the years of doing the inner work and

it might come up, but it's like, do you really want to be there right

now? And it's like, no. Okay, so what would it feel like if you were

there? I'm like, you would just want to go home. I'm like, okay, so you're

home. You're home right now, so let's enjoy that. And when you

do want to go out and you do want to connect with your community, guess

what? It's going to be great because you authentically,

you want to be there. Yeah. So I 100

feel that for sure. Yeah. And

so if we now finish off with your 12th house,

we have the nature child. Now, the 12th house

governs your unconscious and it also governs intuition.

So one of the things that this says is that the Nature Child

is really your greatest access to intuition. So

if you have a question or you need guidance on something,

it's, I need to go out in nature. I need to go for a walk

in the woods. I need to sit under a tree. I need to go for

a hike. I need to. And that's where the downloads,

so to speak, come through. Nature. Yeah.

I mean, a hundred percent. And we talked about it. I feel like I've said

that a thousand times, like a hundred percent. But it's all

right on and exactly with how I

function and how I work and

even throughout my day, because

I do so much on the computer that I'll

just go sit outside, I'll just go take a walk, I'll just, I'll

eat my lunch outside. I literally do as much outside

as I possibly can. And

like we said earlier, this just makes so much sense of why

and why it feels so centering and also too

why so many ideas or intuitive feelings

come to me or why I even. I love speaking with animals

and getting messages from animals and just like

clearing myself and seeing if they have anything to say to me. And it's become

so normal that I forget when I'm talking with other people, I'm like, oh, you

don't, you don't talk to the animal, you didn't see what the spider had to

say. For you, it just makes so,

so much sense. Yeah. Of why that's there.

And my question is, now that I have this, what do I do? What do

I do with all this? Like, now that I have all this in my awareness,

what do I do? Yeah, great question. So the first thing

is I will, I'll send you a

PDF that has, that outlines the houses, it has

journaling questions, like, if you have this archetype in this house, like, here's

some further exploration. So I'll send that over to you separately.

But what I would recommend doing is

number one, work with one archetype each month.

So the archetype that you're in each month, just work with that.

So going by the 12 houses and the 12 months,

like June, right now we're in the sixth house. So spend this month really

exploring and working with the seeker. Next month,

focus more on the warrior the following month. So each

year you kind of spend one month working with each

archetype. The other thing is, whenever you have a

challenge in your life, ask yourself, what house

is this challenge in? So if you're having a financial

challenge, maybe go to the second house. If you're having a challenge

at Harlem, go to the fourth house. If you're having a challenge at work, you

go to the sixth house, you're having a challenge in a

one on one relationship, go to the seventh house and see what

archetype is there. And you work with that archetype based on

the challenge that you're facing and the house that's in. So it becomes almost

like a blueprint

or a roadmap. Yeah, a guide. A guide.

A guide. Now I would definitely spend

some time focusing on the survival archetypes in those

houses because the survival archetypes are where a lot

of our core wounds are, a lot of our

unconscious imprints and contracts are. And obviously

this is a lot of the work that I do in my coaching where I

would take the wheel and then do a lot of inner work with

someone based on the roadmap or the blueprints.

But if you're working with it yourself, you have a lot of tools,

given your work with Paul and everything. So you know how to work with

archetypes. But work with one a month based

on the month that we're in, work with the archetypes

based on the challenges that you're having in your life. So you go to that

house and work there and then focus a

little bit on the survival archetypes, because that's where the most

amount of opportunity is. Yeah, absolutely.

I'm looking forward to this. Now I know I'm going to have some people in

my life that want to go do this. Can they do just the

wheel with you or do. Is it normally wheel and then. Okay.

Because I have some people that I think are going to. Are going to dig

this for sure. Yeah. I'll have the link in the show notes,

but it's healing4d.com wheel. Cool. Very

simple. And I used to do it in a group. I have that

on hold right now. But I am doing one on one archetype

wheel. So people are more than welcome to reach out to me. And I

have to say, like, this is the first time I've done this. I had no

ideas of what you were going to say. And like I said, I think I

said 100%, like literally 30 times in

this thing because it was so spot on

with aspects of my life and shining light on areas of

things in my past and how I've acted in certain

areas. And also too, I can see how beneficial this

is going forward. I'm like looking down at my map

that I have down here of how beneficial this is,

moving forward now, knowing these aspects and

working with them and. Yeah. Getting to know them to deeper

level. So it's almost. It's like a curriculum. Yes. You know

how like we say Earth is a school where we, as souls,

come to learn. I see. The wheel is like the curriculum

that we put into place, like for this

incarnation. Yeah. And so

it's very much like the curriculum that, you know,

we signed up for. Yeah. And it kind of lays it out for you.

Yeah. And not only that, some of these archetypes are

ones that I haven't explored. The hermit I'm pretty

familiar with. But like, when we were doing this, I'm like, what is a

Midas? I'm like, what is a Midas? And it's

something that's so heavy in my life and. Yeah, prevalent

in my life. And so I'm looking forward to diving into

these more and working with them and

utilizing them. So I just have to say, anyone who wants to do this, do

it. I'm like jazzed. Jazzed about it for sure.

Well, Kirsty, thank you so much for being a guinea pig and coming on and

being willing to just open yourself up in this way because I

know some of this can be quite vulnerable for people to make

themselves, like, this, available. So thank you for that. Thank you

for Using me as your guinea pig. Would you

like to share anything or direct people anywhere in terms of your

work or anything that you're up to? I just want to give you an opportunity

for that. Yeah, thank you. I appreciate that.

I do have a few things in the works. Nothing out right

now, just because I'm in a lot of transition, good transition

in life. But if you do want to connect and

you do want to get on any sort of wait list of what I might

have going, or you just want to follow me, the best way

is Instagram, which is Kirsty

Pratt. Dot Coaching, which is my first last

name. Coaching. And just reaching out on there and

connecting from there and stuff like that. Like I told you, I'm in

this interesting transition in life and so I'm. I. It sounds

like I need to go lean into that 12th house and go spend some time

in nature and see what drops in. But if you're

feeling the call to just connect and see what's up, reach out, we'd love to

hear from you. Beautiful. Kirsty, thank you so much for coming on

the show. Thank you so much, friend. And I hope to see you in

person very soon. Absolutely.