Brendan Vink to Duke Hudson in Chase U in NXT to Duke Hanson, Australia's own has had some awesome entrance themes over the years.

The man once known as Elliot Sexton talks to me about how music has impacted his life, working with Downstait on his newest theme Brand New Duke, and one of his favorite themes he's ever had in Hangman, as well as how Chase U's and walking out with a stable has a different feel than walking out on his own.

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Duke Hansen, ladies and gentlemen, I made sure to get it right.

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Cause I was at United wrestling the other night and I heard everyone calling you Duke

Hudson.

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And I'm like, listen, this is the Duke Hansen era, ladies and gentlemen.

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Thank you for joining us on today's show.

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That was...

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uh I didn't enjoy that at all.

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ah Because, I mean, it's such a small change, but it's a necessary change for legal

purposes.

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And uh I remember going through the curtain, I remember Dave Marquez saying, Duke Hudson,

I got in the ring, I shook his hand and I go, you called me Duke Hudson?

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But then it's put the name in my head so that I've looked to Hardcam to start doing a

promo and I've said it and I'm like, ah, let's just, can we do this again?

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No, we're live now.

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It's hard though, because it's something that you've used for years.

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But now again, you are Duke Hansen.

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And you know, I said it at the top of the hour here as a joke, the whole time I'm sitting

upstairs drinking coffee.

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I'm like, Hansen, I know it.

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Hansen, I know it.

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And I'm like, what if I just throw the rib at the beginning of this?

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And then this is the last time you're ever going to hear.

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Actually the other day is the last time you're ever going to hear it.

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Today, Duke Hansen going forward.

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So.

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Yes, yes.

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I find that people are always known by one name.

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Not everyone calls John Cena John.

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uh When I was Elliot Saxton, people called me Saxton.

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My real name, people just called me Vink and people have always called me Duke.

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So was like, that's the name that I have to keep coming out of WWE.

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I'll change the last name.

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Um, but that's messing with me because then I get stuck on a lot.

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just got to start saying Duke.

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You know what mean?

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I don't care.

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I don't care about the last name.

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Really.

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I just like Duke.

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Um, and that's a lot safer, you know, but that's what people know me as coming out of WWE.

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So like that's, that's what has to stick, you know,

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Totally.

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And the thing is Duke obviously has stuck, so we have to get the other side to stick too.

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But even in your theme that Downstate did, shout out to Downstate, and we'll talk about

that in a little bit, brand new Duke, right?

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It's not brand new Hansen, it's brand new Duke, but it fits.

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It's beautiful, because it's your name.

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So we'll talk a little bit starting up about our entrance themes in a couple minutes, as

many of you know, that is the topic of our conversations.

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But I wanted to start off with, first off again, it was great seeing you at Gotham

Wrestling the other night.

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And you know, for those who don't know, it was my son's first time being at a wrestling

event.

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He sees Duke come out and he's just over the moon on Duke from the original music to

everything to the presentation.

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So that was awesome.

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And we started talking a little bit about, you know, entrance themes as we do, but I want

to know upfront, what has music meant for you in your life?

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Music is, I'll be honest, music is very important and ah it's one of the things that I'm

not good with.

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And let me explain what I mean.

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I might be going off topic already, ah but outside of wrestling or even inside wrestling,

I'm a very creative person and that can't always be displayed when you're

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following someone else's script.

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But that's why it's great to go, okay, well, this is my job at the moment.

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So I'm going to perform my job to the best of my ability.

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And then outside of my job, well, I'm going to make sure that I'm happy and fulfilled with

what I'm doing creatively.

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So I've always been very big, even when I was coming up in wrestling, making promos and

vignettes, hype videos for my own ah feud blowoffs.

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So the way that I grew up with music was I was either listening to ABBA at 7am on a Sunday

when mom's cleaning the house.

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Or I was listening to like Limp Bizkit during a WrestleMania package.

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And then when I was growing up, I remember for those of us who had older televisions.

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and you had a Nintendo 64 and you've got to take out the red, white and yellow cords at

the back of the...

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Right.

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And so I would have to take out one of the audio cords so that I could plug my VHS in so

that while I'm playing Perfect Dark on Nintendo 64, I can keep rewinding my VHS tape of

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WrestleMania and just keep listening to Lip Biscuit over and over.

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Was that the best thing to do?

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I don't know.

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Maybe I just didn't have a seatmate with the CD players at the time.

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I don't know.

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um But that's how I got through my first 10 years on the planet.

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um But so for me, I've always looked at music as something to set a tone or a mood.

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And I'm sure many people have.

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experiences where there is a song that reminds them of something, whether it's an event, a

time in their life, you know, and I have many examples, good and bad, but for me, I've

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always tried to use music to make me feel what I want to feel, perhaps.

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So like if I'm at the gym, it's got to be something stupid and heavy, which gets me

through a workout.

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But if

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If I my windows down and I'm driving, I don't want people to hear it because they'll

they'll judge me and think I'm psycho.

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ah

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think even on my workout playlist, it's, it's become a combination of things over the

years, but I think like the first 50 songs are all really, really unbelievably heavy

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things.

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And for me, my background is very much like, love metal.

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love like the heavy stuff.

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love the lighter stuff.

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So for me, I'm just like, if my windows are down and there's metal, like it's okay on this

side of the woods.

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But when you're seeing everybody else work out, you're like, I know you got techno.

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You probably got Sabrina carpenter.

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Me, there's like some arch enemy going real fast and real heavy.

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you know, pull my head.

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Don't please don't pull my headphones out.

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But even we talked to me about this a while ago.

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If I don't have my headphones, I don't know if this workout's happening.

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So you got to put on what you got to put on.

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I agree.

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And I love the array, like the variety of what people are listening to.

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So I'm actually, I'm writing an animation, if you will.

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I won't say any more because I don't like to talk about things until they happen.

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But there's something I'm working on and there's scenes in a gym.

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And like, that's one of the, that's one of the scenes where like, you know, going from

person to person, and it's just kind of going over what they've got going on.

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what they're listening to in their head and how different it is from person to person

because everyone's inspired by different things, right?

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ah But that like music is, my head is going to die.

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I know it's going to die and I apologize when it does.

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ah But for me, like uh if I'm trying to set the mood of a...

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If I've had a feud, right?

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And I back in the day, promoters don't have money for...

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for editing and all that kind of stuff.

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They're just trying to get the boys paid and get the flights.

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But then I go, we've done six months of story.

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I'm going to pay it off and I'm going to make some big elaborate thing that I think is

going to show everyone like this is what this would look like if we were on the main

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stage, but we're not.

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We're young 20s and we're idiots.

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um And the fun part of that is I can use whatever music I want because I'm not worried

about copyright or whatever.

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But now...

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you know, now in creating an animation or another project where I have to go, all right, I

need my own original music and I need to, yeah, yeah, like I'm comfortable with writing,

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I'm comfortable with drawing and animating and editing and voicing.

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The one thing I'm not good at, music.

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I can't make it myself.

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And so I'm always envious of like, that's the one thing that I wish I could add to my

repertoire.

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I feel like I'm the opposite where it's like you have all of these, like the video, I feel

pretty comfortable with the audio, obviously in the music I feel comfortable with, but put

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like a pen in my hand and tell me to draw something.

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I'm just like, you'd be lucky if you get a shape out of me, but it's such a different

thing.

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And you know, it's cool though, because you know, wrestling over time, I think has really

kind of taken shape into even a more creative direction.

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And

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you know, you're talking about, first off, I appreciate that you're just like, you

remember when we were older and you brought up N64, us Super Nintendo guys are a little

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bit envious of that, but I appreciate the fact that like wrestling now has gotten so

creative.

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And I mean, you've done so much over time, right?

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Like you've had all these different characters, all the different pieces of music.

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And like you're talking about, you're able to create these things to blow off feuds.

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And let's start with Elliot Sexton, right?

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Because I was looking up all the different themes that you've used over the time.

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And I wasn't able to find the name of the song, but I did find an entrance video for

Elliot Sexton.

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And I heard the music from that.

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what music was that?

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Do you remember that?

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I'm going to assume it could be sex bomb, maybe.

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because my first pro wrestling theme was 90210.

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Ha!

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Nice, okay.

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ah I went from 90210, I went to sex bomb.

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I'm trying to think of what else.

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But was that for that was for Elliott Sexton also.

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Okay.

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OG, young, flamboyant uh Elliot Sexton, who was the master of the dick punch.

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But that was a long time ago.

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I'm trying to think of what other songs I uh used.

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I think as I grew and put on some muscle and tried to be more of a main event contender, I

went with We Will Rock You.

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Awesome.

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Great song too.

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Great song.

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But now let's talk a little bit here about Brendan Vink because you come in, you're done

with Elliot Sexton for now.

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You are now Brendan Vink and you have the song Hangman that I was able to see.

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Hangman.

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I love Hangman.

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the hangman, Brendan Vink hangman.

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Let's talk about that.

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I love that song.

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Yeah, so that was my first uh theme at NXT where they send you an email with a link to a

bunch of different songs.

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They're like, pick one.

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I'm like, great.

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But they're helpful in the process of what kind of, what do you want it to sound like or

what kind of tone do you want to set?

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Of course,

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Um, and so that was the, that was the one of maybe 20 that I listened to that, that I

picked.

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And funny enough, the project that I'm working on outside of wrestling where I went, okay,

I'm not good with music.

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I, I, uh, I have a connection with the man that made the hangman song because he saw me

using it on TV and was like, that's my song.

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And I'm like, I love it.

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And.

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So when I needed music, I was like, hey, I've got this project.

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You might help me out.

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So he's done the backtrack for it.

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if you're talented enough to make that song, for a, uh I'm not going to say generic

because it's not a generic, but for something that I have to pick from a library, that is

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a great song.

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And I go, OK, if you can make that, you can make anything.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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It was funny too, because obviously with a lot of people and the entrance themes, right,

they're going to be thinking of your new one, brand new Duke, right?

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The one that you're coming out to now.

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But when I was doing this research and as I've known you throughout your career, I

obviously discovered you first through NXT.

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And I remember hearing Hangman and I was just like, this is a really banger song.

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And then I remember hearing brand new Duke and I heard a little bit of influence, maybe

definitely in the key from that.

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But I heard a little bit of influence through that was Hangman.

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that theme that you used as, I think, part of the inspiration towards the downstate theme.

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I think the reference that I would have given Downstate would have been Hangman uh because

I do just genuinely love that theme.

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Even, you know, I was in Chase U for probably three years, I think.

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And sometimes the boys at the PC, if they were in class and they were just doing a lot of

cardio, they could, I think, I don't know how they did it.

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I'm not that good with technology, but they would take over the Bluetooth or whatever, and

they'd put some music on and they would always blast that theme.

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Yeah, which is great.

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I just generally love that song, but I think uh it was such a different me.

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It's the me that I was for 15 years before anyone knew who I was.

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So now I'm having to go, well, hold on, Chase.

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you me was just a version of me where I was trying to survive and keep my job.

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But like, let me show you what I can do.

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And then that's, that's kind of what the brand new Duke is meant to be.

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It's, it's, uh, I'm not a, and I love chase you and chase you to me could have been so

much more, but understanding, you know, this is what we want from you.

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And then that's kind of it.

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Like just play that role.

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go, okay, that's

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That's what this gimmick is meant to be.

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So then that's all I'm allowed to show in that gimmick.

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So I have to wait until afterwards to be able to reinvent myself.

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So, and the music is a very big part of reinventing.

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ah I think it's a much more similar to hang man.

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If a company gets behind you and believes in what you're doing and you do your job of

being good at your job.

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It is a song which I think represents a main event player.

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uh But I think seven minutes ago before I started rambling, there was a question about

reference or maybe I came up with it.

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But the reference I think I gave was hangman.

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But I think I also gave uh Ospreay's theme because I really love that theme as a great

example of something that sets the tone.

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It fits him.

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Don't get me wrong.

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I don't want to come out to Osprey's theme because I don't have that much energy, but it

suits him.

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And so I just needed something that was kind of not as explosive, but something that was

more suited to a six foot five guy who needs time to breathe.

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Someone not sprinting down to the ring, yeah.

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slow.

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us, I was like, just give us that 20 seconds where I can walk slow and methodically and,

you know, get my shots.

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You know, I know where the cameras are.

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And then by the time I get in the ring, then we've got the big pose going on.

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I that.

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I'm gonna dovetail, I'm gonna divert us for a second too, because you brought up uh

Osprey's theme.

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So, the boys in It Lives It Breathes, shout out to you guys.

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I've worked with them a couple times, and I started working with the more post-elevated,

which is Osprey's theme, right?

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There's actually a theme in a song that if you look up John Kiernan or It Lives It

Breathes, you'll see it, it's called Rise.

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And that song was supposed to be when he started United Empire over in New Japan.

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And just for whatever reason, legal and things like that, got...

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to where he wasn't able to use that, but we released it on our own and it's still a

banger.

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hear some things from elevated in there, but like it's, if you thought that elevated was a

little bit quicker of a pick me up rises even faster than that.

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Yeah.

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uh

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but I want to listen to it.

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Yeah, definitely.

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It was cool too, cause like he reached this out to Kevin and he's like, I need to get a,

you know, a song for United Empire.

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And this was the first time I was working with them outside of like working on Brian's

theme, Brian Myers.

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And we had come up with this really cool thing and we were all excited about it and I'll

send it to you.

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Yeah.

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That one's, that one's cool.

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And when you hear it, knowing the context of it being for United Empire, you're going to

hear all these different things.

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It's like a really redemptive, a really redemptive kind of song.

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But when you hear it in the context of, for United Empire, you'll be like, yep, totally

here.

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And I'll send that to you uh post conversation here, definitely.

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But what a good reference to send too.

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um And AEW did a really good job also of taking elevated and chopping it up even a little

bit more to kind of get those, those cheers in immediately.

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Cause in the original version, those chants of Osprey Osprey come in later.

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And I remember talking to Kevin, their singer, and he's just like,

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That's always what I wanted for the theme.

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And sometimes as musicians, even we think of like it as a song.

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And even though we're working with talent, we don't think of like the visual for it.

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And he's like, they literally took like the first 30 seconds and then put like two minutes

in, in the front.

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And it's just, changed the way that people interact with it and made it like even a better

entrance theme.

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So the fact that you're calling out, uh, hang man and Osprey's theme mint choice.

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I love that.

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That's awesome.

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uh The pacing of a song and the beats are so crucial in how you perform your entrance.

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So for me, and I'm big on, I can't make music, I can edit music.

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I love, I love, because I've always been uh music videos and back in the day doing

backyard wrestling, you're always making music videos.

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of what you've done, right?

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Cause you want people to see how cool you are.

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Um, and you've always got to pick songs, but then you've got to pick songs where, know,

you've got to shorten or lengthen bits to, to, go with the different matches or whatever

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the beats are.

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Um, and so same, same with entrances.

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I remember in, in having the help of downstate for brand new Duke, I had that

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very similar conversation because I know entrance is probably about a minute ish.

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Never really want to go to a minute 30 unless something else is going on.

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But oh generally have kept tried to keep it to about a minute for the last six years of my

career.

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So that's what I try to do.

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And so I knew like I want to I want to get in the ring.

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I want to have that beat for my pose, but I want it to pick up and

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So I do have an edit of the Downstate song that I've been meaning to use on shows.

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And I tried to bring it up in the creation process of like, we kind of get, but again, I

don't want to offend an artist who's helping me take a song.

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So I'm like, can we start this and then just kind of like get to the end?

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Because that's what a lot of the wrestling music is.

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I think I could be wrong.

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I feel like I'm thinking of

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Edges, is it Metal Ingus?

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Is that what it is?

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feel like that's one of those songs where it picks up way later on.

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And granted, he can just have a seven minute entrance and it'll be great.

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I can't have a seven minute entrance.

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So I need to like get from here to here, right?

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Like you were saying.

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Yeah, the Osprey theme does it.

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I want to do that with mine.

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And I've also gone like

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They've made this, I like it how it is, I'm not gonna touch it.

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But I wanna play with the idea.

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It also depends on where you're wrestling, what the setup is.

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Like Gotham the other night was very much like the small stage and then you're right to

the ring.

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So then for me to need about a minute before it gets to the part where I do this big pose,

I'm like, well, I gotta find something else to do.

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Right.

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Yes.

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if it's a different show with a longer ramp or there's more of a natural path around the

ring to get into the ring, that kind of thing.

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So reality of wrestling, it's a, you walk out, you've got a little bit more of a stage and

then you pretty much have to go one way around the ring.

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It's not a stage where you can go up and down.

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It's just walk one way.

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So I've got the opportunity to go around, make sure this camera here is getting me, get up

the ramp.

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And then by the time I get in the ring, do a circle, it's time for the pose.

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Whereas at Gotham, I had to buy a bit more time.

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So I started yelling at my opponent, but I'm like, well, this makes me look like a heel.

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But otherwise I'm scared they're going to cut off my entrance before I get to the cool

part.

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And then I get stuck there like going for a pose and then the music cuts and I go, now I

look like an idiot, which I'm guaranteed is before.

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at Richard Holliday is totally worth it because it's Richard Holliday.

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Yell at him all you want.

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Yeah.

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That signature move.

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Come on.

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Come on now.

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So uh Shane uh Thorne, Shane Haste, he's one of those guys again, he's got Shane, but he's

always the last.

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He messaged me when he saw that I was wrestling Holliday.

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And because Holliday's finish is the low blow, right?

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Like that's the thing, he's built up.

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Elliot Sexton, in my first 10 years of wrestling, my finish was the dick punch.

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So he was like,

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you should really build to like low blow versus dick punch.

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I'm like, I'm just not, I don't do that anymore.

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And that doesn't like, if you got a guy coming out to brand new Duke and he starts

punching people in the dick, there's a disconnect.

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It's a great, it's a great idea for a few.

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It just doesn't work with the presentation at the moment.

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You know what you can do though?

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You can totally build it into one of these things where you have a conflict of character,

where you see him and you're about to do it and he's threatening you to do it.

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And it becomes very much just like a timely reference for my audience here.

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Cody going to hit John Cena with the title and John Cena being like, no, don't.

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Cody being like, damn it.

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And then him getting low blowed.

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So it could be one of those things.

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And then eventually years down the line, you eventually give them the dick punch.

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Cause Richard Holliday, listen, that signature move, get that out of here.

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He's hurt one or two, yeah.

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So one other question I had too before we kind of dovetail into the last question here.

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You you talk about how important the music is and with Downstate, obviously they've made

this banger of a theme.

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And I think that what you said also about doing the edits, I think once you have an artist

working on a theme for you, you know, and I've done this with a couple of talents that

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I've worked with too, where we have one version that's the full song.

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You remember D-Man Parker also from...

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Gotham we have a couple of different edits for him one that's more the full song one

that's okay cool like we get to the Chorus a little bit quicker things like that And I

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think it's always cool to be able to do those edits depending where you are Obviously

without changing it too much to where the audience that is like hey, what are we doing?

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right, but having those different edits is fine one thing that a lot of wrestlers who have

come on the show and I've talked to talk about also is the music has to kind of hit you

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when you before you hit the ring, right and

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Obviously this one does it and I wanted to dive really quickly into the chase you stuff

because in that place Like you said you're coming into chase you you're coming from

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Brandon Vink.

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You're coming from all these different things and post chase you Obviously doing what you

do now when you have an entrance theme that's maybe part of a group or something but maybe

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is Representing you in a different way, right?

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Maybe I don't know if it's jazzing you up in the same way

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as something like Brand New Duke does or like Hangman did, what headspace or how do you

work with getting into the headspace for that specific, let's say, I don't want to use

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like inside terms, but how do you get yourself into the headspace to do that role when

it's maybe music that, you know, you may not usually pick for yourself.

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Right, there, I think there was a bit of a disconnect for me and...

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I mean, for Chase, it fits the professor.

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Thea and Bodhi, they had the energy of the young, excited student who's out there to not

cheer lead, like give it that college look.

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But then here comes like the tall, handsome, but like not overly happily.

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to be there healed, right?

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I've been a heal for the last, you know, forever, forever.

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And also in WWE, was a heal before Chase U.

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I think it was okay to have that disconnect to start with because it, to me, furthered the

story of this guy doesn't fit.

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He's, he's trying to fit in, but he's trying to fit in, in disguise because we know he's

going to turn.

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And then at some point he doesn't.

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And we start making chase you into more, not just entertaining, but like, um, reputable,

like, okay, these guys could actually go because we, would go if you put us in the ring

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with the people we needed to go with, we will match their energy, their, their level,

their intensity, their whatever we can do it.

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Um, there were limitations short, but like, if you need a

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If you need a four out of 10, we can give you a four out of 10.

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But if you give us the opportunity and you need a 10 out of 10, we'll give you a 10 out of

10.

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We'll fit the role.

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And we had the ability to do so.

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But as, as we may chase you into more of a reputable thing and we started to hold on,

we've really got something here.

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We thought about the music.

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is one of the things that I remember us fighting for that and uh nameplates.

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Because at the time, I don't think everyone had nameplates.

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It might have just been more of a general, the NXT nameplate.

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I think there was a custom one or two.

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And Chase always had a problem with me for this.

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Because I'm always looking at the show overall.

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And so like I remember it was in the Lara Valkyria's entrance.

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was Axiom's entrance.

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Cause they were doing this flashy, it was like a motion blur kind of effect where he runs

and it has like the, this, this, this weird effect to it.

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But I'm going like, he's walking through fire to frame or he's doing this and it's not,

you're not getting the most out of that effect.

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Cause I'm someone that's worked with After Effects and I've got an advanced diploma in CGI

and visual effects.

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So I like to think I know what I'm doing.

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You

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And so I'm talking to like the lead guy about Axiom's entrance and Chase is like, why

aren't you talking about our entrance?

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Like focus on us.

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I'm like, right, right, right.

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Well, that's what you're here for.

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And he's like, can we get a nameplate and then can we talk about the music?

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And we did change music at one point where I think they, they made it a bit more like a

bit more oomph, a bit more instrumental.

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And then I really can't remember if they went back.

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on it or not.

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I really can't remember.

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But the theme in general is very

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It's like here.

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It sets the tone, but it also puts that roof on us.

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So that was something that we would have liked to have changed, I think.

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Yeah, and it's interesting too, because as a viewer on the other side of the screen here,

you you see the gimmick and you see what you guys do.

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And I think that, you know, when you're talking about the music and you're talking about

it amping you up before you go to the ring, I think everything that you said was really

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kind of clear and precise with that.

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You know, what you were portraying upfront was, hey, this guy is kind of like the outsider

to chase you, right?

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And when you talk about that and you think about the music, it's also different, I think,

being

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I'm going to say it like this.

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think it's different kind of playing a character in wrestling versus being you, right?

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Cause with the music that you're using now for brand new Duke, for everything you're

doing.

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And before that, it's like you're representing yourself, right?

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But when you go with the group or you go with something that maybe is a little bit more of

a gimmick, you have to kind of tie to what that is.

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And something like that, it's like, okay, cool.

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What are we going to do to get the crowd into ordering to get to do the investment?

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And over time.

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you guys made the package.

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And I always argue that the talent always comes first and then the music amplifies the

character, right?

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So I think with Chase You, I think that that music really did work, but it's always

interesting because when I talk to talent, like what's the most important thing in an

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entrance theme, a lot of people are just like how it makes you feel before you hit the

ring.

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Although Leo Sparrow the other day was just like ownership.

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And I was like, that's the first time I've ever heard.

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That's very much like you.

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going everywhere.

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That's the very journeyman answer.

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And I appreciate that it was different than everything else.

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But for the most part, a lot of people are just like, it has to like hit you before you go

to the ring.

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And, you know, because of the complete contrast between Chase you, Vic, and what you do

now, it's just like, I was thinking about that.

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I was like, what do you do to kind of get in that mindset?

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Right?

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And it sounds like, like you said at the top, when you're a professional and you got to do

the job and you got to do what you do,

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you find the way to make it work in whatever way possible, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And everyone's different, right?

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I don't approach an entrance the same way as I do a workout.

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know, I don't need to be, I understand what you're saying.

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um And maybe it just comes with age.

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I should say experience.

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Let's say experience.

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Age is a dirty word.

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Experience is perfect.

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experience.

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Maybe it comes with that, where I go, no, no, I'm confident in what I do.

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I know I'm to go out there and do it.

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So I'm already, or maybe I'm just already in fight or flight from something else.

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But the ability to get amped up by it is definitely important.

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And I think to a lot of the younger ones, less experienced ones, for us, wow, we really

like

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When that music hit, it's like that first beat.

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It goes straight into it.

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It's just like this one heavy beat and then it goes and we hear it, go, oh, let's go.

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And then like that one beat was all we had to get into it, you know, but it was enough.

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And you know what though, it had that pep rally feel to it too.

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I mean, that's the theme that'll do it.

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Like if you think back to, you know, we just kind of called ourselves old with the Super

Nintendo and the N64, ladies and gentlemen.

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But yes, sir.

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See, those were even better than PS5.

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I will argue that.

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I will argue that to the end of time.

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But, you know, we were talking about all that and I think that that really helped that.

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um So I completely agree there.

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So last question before I let you go for the day.

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And first off, thank you for spending

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some time with us.

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If you had to choose three songs to put on a playlist that represent you, what would those

three songs be?

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That's really tough.

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I'm really not sure.

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uh Even if you gave me two weeks to prepare, don't know.

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And I think because of wrestling, I think growing up, my uh palate was a bit smaller.

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And then from different influences and different experiences and whatever in life, it gets

a bit bigger and bigger.

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One, I can't remember the guy's name, but I love this song.

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And if I was making a movie about me or a heel character that I could portray, the song

that I would use and that I think a lot would agree with would represent me.

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I can't remember the song.

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I can't remember the artist, but the song is called asshole.

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Do you know the song?

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Yeah.

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I don't, but I can assume that there are a couple of songs called that.

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Let me see.

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Is it like a rock song?

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Is it like a

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It's 90s.

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um It's more rockish.

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Yeah.

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I wish I could remember the artist's name, but it's...

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uh And I can't even say some of the lyrics because it doesn't...

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It's just a good song.

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It's a good song for a character.

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I'm not saying that's me as a person, but...

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considering the character I've played for so many years of my life and being Australian,

dry sense of humor, a little facetious at times, people can look at me very easily,

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especially when I'm smiling and go, he's an arsehole.

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But then I would go a completely different route.

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Maybe this was more of a teen thing to do.

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Or maybe this was me and I messed up in the head.

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But it was like when I was a teen, I'd be like, these are the songs I won't play to my

funeral.

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again, it's like setting the tone.

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And it's like, this is going to hit them hard.

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This is going to get that emotion that I want to get.

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And one was I Miss You by Blink-182.

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Great song, great song, yeah.

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it's a that's that's one of the songs that I'll it doesn't it doesn't matter how many

times I listen to it.

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It's like it's like it's the first time I'm listening to it.

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I love it.

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ah And maybe like a Foo Fighters ever long.

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Where it's just, it's just it's just good.

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And again, I don't know if that is really the right answer to the question.

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But those are the kind of songs

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that fit my personality.

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Yeah, and that's what the question enlists.

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Yeah, that's...

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It doesn't have to be like lyrics, but it's what it represents and how it makes you feel.

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And if anyone has a connection to any of those songs, they'll be like, okay, I understand

this person.

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Yeah, and that's what I always say when I ask that question because a lot of people,

especially when I interview wrestlers are like, do I have to answer it as the wrestler or

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do I answer it as me?

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And I'm like, it's whatever way you choose to do it.

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Right.

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But I've always thought it's really cool to be able to say what songs represent you, like

you as a person.

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And don't feel bad about thinking about like the playlist at the funeral.

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We interviewed Rebi or I interviewed Rebi a while ago and she has a whole playlist that's

just like, these are the songs that are going to play at my funeral.

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So listen, there are people that do it and there are people that have it.

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Then one last thing I'm gonna hit you with, and this is probably gonna be a simple yes or

no question.

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You are Duke Hansen right now.

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And know that you're saying that you're trying to get the last name.

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What about Duke Hansen?

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What about Duke Hansen?

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I I should have.

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There's this thing inside of me.

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could have been a short answer, you're right.

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But here's me.

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uh Duke Hansen was a good idea if I wanted to be more gimmicky.

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I think being in the system for a while and seeing how different people are treated.

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And what's expected of them depending on where they feel they should go.

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Because again, it's an opinionated business.

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It felt right to try and be more serious.

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It felt right to try and, I wasn't allowed to as Duke Hudson.

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Duke Hudson is a heel.

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They didn't like, and I go, okay, it's your company and I choose to work here, so I have

to go with what you say.

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yeah.

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You go, all right, well, we're going to put you as do-cuts and chase you.

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I go, great.

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I'll make it work because I know I have the ability to make whatever you give me work.

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But then after that, when you're thrown back out, but people still perceive you as this

character, which you cannot be anymore.

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go, okay, it's an opportunity to recreate and rebuild.

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I've, it felt best because there really is two roads.

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I can go do do-cantum and become smug, like arrogant.

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ah But also like really playing up the gimmick and it is pro wrestling.

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So maybe that was the right thing to do to try and sell shirts and eight by tens and all

that kind of stuff.

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But you know what?

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It's also an opportunity to rebuild myself and try to uh change perception and look like a

main event player.

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Even if there isn't someone getting behind me putting me in that light, I'm going to

present myself in that light.

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if the

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If the stars align and the opportunity arises, I will fulfill that role.

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Yeah, I love that.

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And you know what though?

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It's just, said maybe one is the right decision.

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The right decision is the one that means the most to you.

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You know, there's no right or wrong answers and you know, you're building your brand right

now and it's just, it's so true to form.

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So I appreciate that honesty too.

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And I think that's something that a lot of talent can take is like, do you do a gimmick or

do you be who you are?

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Which one makes sense to you?

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That's what you go with.

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And I think that's, I think that's huge.

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Well, Duke Hansen, ladies and gentlemen.

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Thank you so much for joining us today on Ropes and Rifts.

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It's been awesome talking with you.

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And I hope when Gotham comes back, you'll be coming back too.

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I'll see you there.