Discover how scent work can transform your dog’s life! In this episode of The Yappy Hour, host Nathan Dunleavy chats with Jamie Pound, founder of UK Sniffer Dogs, about how engaging your dog’s nose can reduce stress, boost confidence, and enhance behaviour. Whether your pup is anxious, high-energy, or just needs mental stimulation, scent work is the game-changer you’ve been looking for.

Welcome to the Yappy Hour, powered by

Yappily, the podcast for dog lovers

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who want to better understand and

connect with their furry friends.

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I'm your host, Nathan Dunleavy, and

today we're diving into the world of

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scent work, one of the most powerful

ways to engage and fulfil your dog.

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My guest is Jamie Pound, founder of UK

Sniffer Dogs, and a professional dog

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trainer specialising in scent work.

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Jamie is passionate about showing

pet parents how tapping into their

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dog's incredible sense of smell can

reduce stress, boost confidence and

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provide essential mental stimulation.

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In this episode, we explore why scent

work is so important, how it can help

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Anxious or high energy dogs and how pet

parents can easily get started at home.

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If you've ever wondered how to make life

more enrich, more enriching for your dog,

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this is an episode you won't want to miss.

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So grab a cup of tea, settle

in and let's get started.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Welcome back to the Yappy Hour.

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I'm your host, Nathan Dunleavy,

and I'm so excited to bring

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you another episode today.

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We've got the amazing Jamie Pound from

UK Sniffer Dogs, and we're going to

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be having a chat all about Jamie and

UK Sniffer Dogs, what it's all about.

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Jamie's a professional dog trainer

with a strong focus on enrichment

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based training and an advocate

for mental stimulation use.

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and the dog's natural

abilities in training.

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So I'm really, I've been really

looking forward to this episode

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and hearing more about scent work.

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So Jamie, welcome to the yappy hour.

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I'm so excited to chat with you today.

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How are you doing?

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Jamie Pound: Brilliant.

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Thank you so much for having me on.

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It's a pleasure to be here.

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Absolute pleasure.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Wicked.

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Great.

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So let's get stuck in then.

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So for those who may not be familiar

with your work, could you tell us

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a little bit, a little bit about UK

sniffer dogs and how it all began?

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Jamie Pound: Yeah, absolutely.

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So I've been a dog trainer

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And going through my journey, I

dealt quite a lot with reactive dogs.

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There was quite a few reactive dogs coming

into classes and also had one myself.

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So I had a German shepherd who

was reactive to dogs and people.

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And it was difficult to you know,

let that sort of dog off the lead,

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give it the stimulation it needed.

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so we got into scent work and we

did different types of scent work.

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We did some detection work, we

did tracking, we also did some

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trailing and he absolutely loved

all of his scent work that he did.

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And we enjoyed doing it together.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Silence.

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Jamie Pound: not only with his reactivity,

but at home with the other dogs, he

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was also a bit of a resource guarder.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Okay.

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Jamie Pound: so he had a whole host of

different things going on with him and

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a challenge, let's say, but he was a

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Jamie Pound: and yeah, he's that

heart dog that everybody has for me.

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It's that one that took me on the journey.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Was that Nemo?

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Jamie Pound: No, it's Frankie.

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It's my

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh,

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Jamie Pound: before.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Nemo's my newer German Shepherd.

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He's coming through but Frankie.

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Yeah, he died a few years back now.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, bless.

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Jamie Pound: yeah, he's the

whole reason that I do what I do,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Jamie Pound: his behaviour and it

definitely benefited how he How

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we took to new situations as well.

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He's a little bit more optimistic.

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He was easier to handle.

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So for me, I then started using it

within my behaviour work and our classes.

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I incorporated into our classes and

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Brilliant.

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Thank you again.

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Jamie Pound: to work through

within my own dog school.

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So within Jamie Bound Dog Training.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Okay.

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Jamie Pound: yeah, so it was only

meant to be just a bit of fun for

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our dog owners to enjoy a little

bit of competition here and there.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Jamie Pound: From there, people then

started asking me to go and do it in

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Manchester and host workshops, different

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

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Yeah.

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Jamie Pound: and absolutely, I wanted to

do this because I wanted to get it out

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to as many pet dog owners as possible

because I wanted them to be able to use

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it to enrich the dog's lives, but also

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Jamie Pound: Problem solving behaviours

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Jamie Pound: then I said, why don't I

train up instructors to do it themselves?

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So that

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah,

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Jamie Pound: course was born,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah,

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Jamie Pound: where we've got our bronze,

silver, gold levels, and now we've

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah.

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Jamie Pound: as well.

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So it's more accessible

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Pretty good.

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Jamie Pound: the world.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, that's pretty.

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That's where I came across yourselves

because I've done the bronze one.

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I don't do a lot of in person training

now, but I did do the bronze one.

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I don't know if it was before lockdown,

but I did it in Salisbury football club

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Jamie Pound: I

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: with,

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Jamie Pound: location.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

yeah, with Mike and it was

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Yeah, it was brilliant.

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It was a really good cut the day.

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So no, that's that's great.

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And it's really interesting because

everyone I speak to yourself and other

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dog trainers, they all got into dog

training because of their own dog.

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It's the same with my dog, my essay dog.

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I've got three chihuahuas that all think

they're rottweilers and reactive on lead.

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Then I've got the toy pedals, which are

all drama queens, but everyone I speak to,

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they were a dog owner with their own dog.

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special dog and then that then led

them into the world of training

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because they then wanted to have

other pet parents with similar issues.

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So I love that.

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I love that.

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I love a bit of a story.

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So thank you for that.

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So scent work is something

that's gaining a lot of momentum.

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It's getting really popular, but

it's still quite misunderstood.

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Jamie, can you explain why it's such

an important activity for dogs, please?

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Jamie Pound: Absolutely.

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Now dogs see the world through their nose.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

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Jamie Pound: and one of the best things

I love watching is watching when the dog

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is following its nose because you see

all these different body language changes

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

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Jamie Pound: benefits to

our dogs having that outlet.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Jamie Pound: a natural outlet

that dogs need for their welfare.

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Okay.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Jamie Pound: So I like to liken

it to sort of mindfulness or if

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you've got an activity that you

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

interesting.

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Jamie Pound: Yeah.

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And, and

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Jamie Pound: if you've got

something that makes you feel good.

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So some people like going to the

gym and they come out and they feel

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good, or some people like reading or,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Jamie Pound: reads to, to unwind and feel

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

That's good.

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Yeah.

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Jamie Pound: Scentwork

is that for dogs and

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: great.

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Jamie Pound: we have this I mean, a lot of

pet dog owners that I deal with, they say,

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Oh, he's sniffing all the time and I don't

really want to encourage you sniffing.

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So that

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Right.

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Jamie Pound: getting into it.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

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That's,

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Jamie Pound: dog the outlet of, of,

of scent work, we're providing it.

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Actually, we mean not.

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So we actually end up getting more

focus, more engagement out of the

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

that's it.

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Jamie Pound: we're

providing them that outlet.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Jamie Pound: Yeah, you've got to

close your eyes for the whole walk.

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No, you wouldn't want to.

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That's the way you explore.

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So yeah, that's the main reason.

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But there's so many benefits to the dogs.

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To their brain.

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There's so many studies being done that

just participating in scent work alone had

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the huge impact it will have on confidence

or your, your nervous dogs or your over

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excitable dogs is going to calm as well.

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So giving dogs that extra

little bit of stimulation And

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you can practice it anywhere.

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That's the biggest benefit for

me is it can be done anywhere.

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Search area could be in the kitchen or

in your garden or, or even out on walks.

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And that's when

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Jamie Pound: it fun is

bringing it in out and walks.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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It's mad because like as a dog trainer

now, and I'm driving along in my

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van and I see someone, I don't know

about you, but I'm always looking at

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people's dogs, rather than people.

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But I see a little dog there and he's

trying to have a little sniff and this

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poor dog's getting yanked along to say,

you know, and I'm like, I just almost

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want to shout out and say, let him sniff.

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Let them bloody sniff because

I'm a big advocate and just.

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In letting them sniff because

I know the benefits, but you

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know, the, the pet parent doesn't

necessarily always know that.

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So again, it comes back down to

education, which we're really big

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on, is, you know, because they,

you don't know what you don't know.

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So

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Jamie Pound: Absolutely.

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And I think back when I first got

Frankie, I remember doing this myself.

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You have this picture of somebody

walking down the street with their

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dog and their heads held up high.

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And they're trotting like

they do with heel work crafts.

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But.

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But that's not reality.

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And it's unrealistic to think

that the dog can do that.

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Yes, practicing heel work

is a great application of a

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skill to practice for safety.

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You know, if you need to maneuver

your dog whilst out on walks, keep

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them close, absolutely practice it.

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General lead walking.

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The dog should be allowed to sniff, should

be able to engage with its environment.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

that clear?

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Jamie Pound: and you've got to

remember it's the dog's walk,

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you know, it's it's not not a bad

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: It's,

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Jamie Pound: like we might think

when we're exercising, oh, we've

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got to go a certain distance.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Jamie Pound: a bit of time and

enjoying that with your dog.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, I was only saying it

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to my husband yesterday.

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I don't know why we've not spoke to

it before, but I said, obviously the

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dog sees the world through their nose.

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It was like, what, not their eyes.

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And I was like, no, and he

found it quite fascinating.

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So, you know, again, it's just

talking about more brilliant.

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So we're going to move on to our

next section, which is all about why

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scent work is essential for dogs.

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And obviously we've touched on a bit of

that already, but obviously we often hear

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about the importance of physical exercise.

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I must take my dog as.

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Brits were kind of con or as humans,

were conditioned that I must walk my

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dog twice a day for an hour each time.

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But why is mental stimulation just as

inre just as crucial for dogs, Jamie?

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Jamie Pound: So mainly with

the stimulation I use, I'll

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use it to train dogs, but also

put them in a good head space.

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That's the main important thing for me.

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So getting the right balance.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm.

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Jamie Pound: When I train dogs, I use

motivational training and I'll use toys

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and food to engage in games with the dog

and I'll look to try and excite the dog

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with the food or the toys in ways that

might involve sniffing, chasing or biting,

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you know, like your dog would want to

do with a bunny rabbit or a squirrel.

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Yeah.

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So, because I Nemo, you

mentioned Nemo a minute

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: I did.

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Yeah.

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Jamie Pound: He's not very

food motivated, so you could

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Right.

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Jamie Pound: a bit of sausage in his

face, and he's like, whatever absolutely,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Well, some dogs aren't feeding me.

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Jamie Pound: they're not, but

if you throw that food, he'll

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chase it, and he'll catch it,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Why?

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Jamie Pound: for him,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

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Jamie Pound: and

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Is the chase.

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Jamie Pound: be

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

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Jamie Pound: be ham, it could be a

biscuit, the game, the reward for

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him is the chase and the bite of

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, that's fair enough.

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Yeah.

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Jamie Pound: The the, the idea

with, with using ScentWork though,

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ScentWork generally calms dogs and it

brings dogs down, it lowers arousal.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Hmm.

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Jamie Pound: chasing and biting,

we're going to pump arousal.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Hmm.

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Jamie Pound: yeah, there's a time and a

place and I'll use the, the, the type of

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reward to replicate what effort I want.

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from the dog in the behaviour.

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So if I want a recall, yeah, I'll reward

the dog with a tug or a chase and a bite.

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Because I want that dog to bond back

to me, but equally I'll participate

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in scent work games because dogs will

want to sniff with the environment

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and find hunting games of their own,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Hmm.

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Jamie Pound: out bunny rabbits,

squirrels, other dogs, bin bags, whatever.

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But if you participate in that game out in

the environment with a dog, That benefits

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your recall as well because you're now

providing the dog the outlet of sniffing

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rather than the environment itself.

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So I think from everyday day to

day recall training, scent work

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is important because if you're

not providing your dog the outlet,

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they're going to find it elsewhere.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Jamie Pound: motivation or engagement

in certain locations because your

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dog favors that game than you.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Jamie Pound: from an engagement

point of view, recall point

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Jamie Pound: there's so many other

ways we can use it with our pet dogs.

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Puppy biting is one of the

biggest things that I use it with.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, that's a good point.

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Jamie Pound: yeah, that killer

puppy that comes home for the first

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Sharp

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Jamie Pound: it down on the

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: teeth.

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Jamie Pound: yeah, and

it's killing your toes.

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And you think, oh my God,

I've got a killer puppy.

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But absolutely you haven't.

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You've got a puppy that is

seeing your feet move and

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saying, oh, that moves, I must

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

That's exciting.

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Jamie Pound: it.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Jamie Pound: So, using scent work

to mentally stimulate these puppies,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Jamie Pound: bite and

sniff at the same time.

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So, one, we're going to stop the biting in

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Jamie Pound: in that moment, but

two, we're going to give the dog

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stimulation that's going to calm the

arousal, which is going to result in

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less biting from the puppy as well.

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So There's tons of ways we can use

it, but generally dogs need it.

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They need it in their routine.

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And they, they are going to benefit

and thrive from, from having it.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Brilliant.

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No, I love that.

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I didn't even think about puppies

and said, well, it's mad really.

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But yeah, it's just giving them,

just redirecting it and giving them

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something else to do with their mouth.

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But I love, I love how you've sort

of said to use it for puppies.

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So I've never even thought of that before.

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How does engaging a dog's nose help

with their emotional wellbeing?

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So again, I guess all that's

around bringing those arousal

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and stress levels down.

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Jamie Pound: This is, this is

great one I could talk about.

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So we've done a few the PPM

you're part of the PPM and

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: I am.

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Yes.

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Jamie Pound: very well.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: I, I do.

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Yes.

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Of

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Jamie Pound: we've done a few events where

we've gone out Cyprus with those guys,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: course.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Jamie Pound: work with rescue

dogs in kennels which have

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

I really, I really want

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to go, but the husband's

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Jamie Pound: if

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

seven dogs at home on his own.

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So I'm not quite there yet, but

it's on my radar that I want to go.

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Jamie Pound: you go, be prepared

to come back with eight.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

That's the problem.

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That's why I've got seven dogs now.

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Oh, okay.

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So yeah.

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So you went out to Cyprus

and with the rescue dogs.

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Yeah.

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Jamie Pound: That's it.

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And we used, we used a lot of scent work.

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The idea was I was going to be there

with Maria and we were going to use some,

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teach some scent work to the kennel hands

and the the people that were helping.

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So the dog's got a bit of scent outlet.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Love it.

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Jamie Pound: found with, with a couple

of the dogs, cause we were there over a

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few days, we found with a couple of dogs

that they were quite shy, quite timid.

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They're not used to human contact,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Jamie Pound: some dogs that were quite.

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Reactive to the other dogs

within the kennels, but they

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can't separate them completely.

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They can do their best, but

they are going to see and hear

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other dogs in this environment.

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But over the couple of days, the dogs that

we worked with, you saw their behaviour

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and their emotional state change,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh, wow.

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Jamie Pound: more receptive to the humans

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we weren't directly, Trying, if you think

about behaviour training, this is where I

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recommend with rescue dogs in particular,

if you're going to rehome or you're going

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Jamie Pound: stressy kennels, and

now they're starting to become

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more relaxed in this environment.

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doing searches within the kennels.

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They're coming out of their

pen and doing some search work.

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They

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

That's lovely.

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Jamie Pound: end to walk these dogs.

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These dogs

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: No.

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Jamie Pound: for 10 minutes a day, and

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, bless them.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Jamie Pound: get out and

do 10 minutes of sniffing,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, amazing.

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Jamie Pound: do maybe three minutes

of sniffing here and there throughout

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the day, then they're getting out

a lot more and getting more of

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a balance level of stimulation.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

I love that.

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Jamie Pound: affected those dogs.

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And, and, and yeah, if we can get

it into rescue, if you rehome it,

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when you're bringing that dog home,

you know, especially from abroad,

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they need that time to decompress

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Well,

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Jamie Pound: way

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah,

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Jamie Pound: to get them using their nose.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

yeah, because apparently it

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can take up to six months for a

rescue dog to fully decompress.

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And obviously if it's been like free,

like a traumatic event that, you

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know, that kind of sticks with them.

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So I love how you bring scent work into

it again to just build that confidence,

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build that bond, that relationship it

has so many amazing uses, doesn't it?

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That's brilliant.

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Jamie Pound: that we're talking about that

comes off a plane, the first thing we want

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to do when we get that dog is walk it.

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We're like, Oh, let's take it out.

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And

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Probably the worst thing you could do.

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Jamie Pound: yeah.

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And we've told people that we've

got this dog and we want people to

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

All these people coming round.

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Jamie Pound: yeah, it's not

going to be good for the dog.

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If you're,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah,

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Jamie Pound: dog out to somewhere

that they're going to see as

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stressful, they're only going to

attach that negativity to you.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

that's it.

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Jamie Pound: going to not weaken the bond,

but it's going to make it harder to build,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Jamie Pound: to build up the

trust, play scent games in the

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house with a dog, get it used to

the garden with some scent games.

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Now start bringing those in on your walks.

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Now you've got a dog

that's looking to you.

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with trust as its caregiver, rather

than fear what situation is this

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person going to put me into next?

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Yeah,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

No, I love that.

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And I love all the work that you

do in Cyprus with Maria and that.

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So I get so jealous, but I maybe

get there one day once I can talk.

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Finally, maybe we've got lesser dogs

that I can talk the husband into.

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Jamie Pound: I

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This year because it's

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh, you.

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Oh, right.

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Okay.

445

That's a shame.

446

Jamie Pound: It would

447

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

448

Jamie Pound: have dog

care and child care for

449

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh God.

450

Too,

451

Jamie Pound: way I can do that,

452

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

too much.

453

No, you have to.

454

Jamie Pound: go back.

455

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

No, that's fair enough.

456

Perfect.

457

So moving on to our next question.

458

For any pet parents who might not

have thought about scent work before,

459

what are some signs that their

dog would really benefit from it?

460

Jamie Pound: Absolutely.

461

So, I mean, easy answer is every

dog is going to benefit from it,

462

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Hmm.

463

Jamie Pound: but dogs that are sort

of getting themselves into trouble.

464

Okay.

465

So dogs that are self

employed possibly need a job.

466

We've

467

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

like that

468

Jamie Pound: you know, we've

always heard dogs need a job.

469

Yeah.

470

Everybody's

471

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: They do?

472

Yeah.

473

Jamie Pound: if a dog could pick its own

job, guarantee you it would be sniffing.

474

if we give that dog that job, we're going

to see their general behaviour shift.

475

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm.

476

Jamie Pound: We're going to

start to see better decisions

477

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

478

Jamie Pound: they're being

fulfilled in that certain way.

479

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

480

Jamie Pound: Puppies, puppies.

481

When this is the biggest thing for me,

the, before the puppies can go out.

482

So that window of where

they're being vaccinated,

483

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes,

484

Jamie Pound: many problems at home

with these puppies because they

485

To get familiar with their environment

and they've, they've been there for a

486

week or so now and they've checked it.

487

It's not so new anymore.

488

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah,

489

Jamie Pound: to find trouble.

490

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yes.

491

Jamie Pound: got these, these,

these two or three week period

492

where we can't take the dog out for

493

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, yeah.

494

Jamie Pound: also their physical

makeup at the minute, we can't

495

walk them for long periods,

496

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

And they've got all this energy.

497

Yes.

498

Jamie Pound: but

499

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

500

Jamie Pound: that brain.

501

And if we get that pup sniffing,

then we're giving it a good mental

502

stimulation, a good balance.

503

You're going to see less

bad behaviour in the house.

504

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

I love that.

505

Jamie Pound: but so many people

getting working breeds and not

506

realizing that they need working.

507

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

They need that outlet.

508

Jamie Pound: Absolutely.

509

Two typical examples.

510

One being the, the, the ever

popular at the minute cockapoo.

511

Yeah.

512

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh God, yeah.

513

Jamie Pound: Yeah.

514

Every family is, is getting

a cockapoo and it's made

515

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

516

And people don't realise that, do they?

517

They do not realise that.

518

Yes.

519

They just get this cute dog

and they don't realise they've

520

got these two breeds together.

521

And then you've got a whole mountain

of other stuff to contend with.

522

Jamie Pound: And you'll see a lot of them

with developing reactivity problems or

523

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: garden.

524

Jamie Pound: problems,

525

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

526

Jamie Pound: natural, natural

innate behaviours are going to

527

start to come out in the dog.

528

and

529

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

530

Jamie Pound: in areas where

we might class as naughty.

531

So like you said, resource

guarding or things like that.

532

Now, if we stimulate the dog and

they get to use their innate babies

533

in other ways, like sniffing, you

are definitely gonna, gonna see less

534

resource guarding within that dog.

535

As I mentioned with Frankie.

536

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, brilliant.

537

And what did you say?

538

It was another breed as well

that you're seeing it more.

539

Sorry.

540

Jamie Pound: I've,

541

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, dachshunds.

542

Jamie Pound: this one myself.

543

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

544

Well, you've got one now, haven't you?

545

Yes.

546

Jamie Pound: Yeah.

547

It's funny cause you, you, you always seen

for the dog that you have, haven't you?

548

So I've always been known as

a German shepherd type man.

549

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

It's like two,

550

Jamie Pound: me.

551

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

ends of the spectrum.

552

You've got a massive little and large.

553

Jamie Pound: dogs.

554

I think they're popular on TV as

well in movies and things like that.

555

So kids like them, but

they are not your sofa pet.

556

You know, I've got four dogs and Lily.

557

My Dachshund is the smallest and we'll

go out for a walk and all the dogs

558

will come back and lay on their beds.

559

Lily might do it for.

560

Two minutes and then

she wants to go again.

561

So are bred for hunting

badgers and working down holes

562

and working independently.

563

That's the main thing.

564

So, you know, our Spaniards and our,

our German Shepherds, German Shepherds,

565

especially are reliant on their handler.

566

They're, they're very in tune with

their handler and You know, it's a

567

part of a handler and dog game when I'm

working with Nemo, my German shepherd.

568

But when I'm working with Lily,

yeah, she's totally independent.

569

She's doing her thing which

is what they're bred for to go

570

down and hunt the badgers alone.

571

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

572

Jamie Pound: the holes with them.

573

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, no, we weren't fit for starters.

574

Yeah,

575

Jamie Pound: they're bred to be barkers.

576

So what we see is if they're, if their

needs aren't met and they're given that

577

stimulation, given that job, we're going

to see more barking, more digging more

578

burying of stuff, more stealing of stuff

and possibly resource guarding as well,

579

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah,

580

Jamie Pound: type of breeds.

581

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah.

582

Jamie Pound: Lily's Lily's been a

challenge, but she's, she's great for

583

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

No, I walk a couple of dachshunds and

584

we've got a few on our walking books.

585

And yeah, they have come with

their, with their, what's the word?

586

Their special, special,

yeah, attitudes probably.

587

I didn't want to like, didn't want to

sound negative because I love them.

588

Like, I know.

589

You know, I love all the dogs,

but no, they've come, they come

590

with their big personalities.

591

Jamie Pound: Yes, absolutely.

592

And

593

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: perfect.

594

Jamie Pound: All dogs can do it.

595

But yeah,

596

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

597

Jamie Pound: I love seeing the breeds

that are not known for it as well.

598

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

599

Jamie Pound: boxers, we have

600

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

601

Jamie Pound: I've got a three legged

staffie at the minute, Nala who's

602

absolutely smashing it in classes.

603

And, and yeah, she's got three legs.

604

It doesn't bother her.

605

She searches really, really well.

606

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Well,

he does better than some of the others.

607

Yeah.

608

Jamie Pound: Yeah.

609

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

love that.

610

And I think that leads us nicely into

our next section, which is the benefits

611

of scent work for different dogs.

612

So I like that obviously

you've spoken about puppies

613

and that every dog can do it.

614

And obviously even older dogs, like they

may lose their sight on their hearing, but

615

they're never going to lose their scent.

616

their sense of smell.

617

So yeah, senior dogs and stuff like that

with dogs that got made mobility issues.

618

But we have mentioned it a little bit.

619

But how can scent work help dogs that

do struggle with reactivity or anxiety?

620

Jamie Pound: So for dogs with reactivity

and anxiety generally are, dogs are

621

reactive to what they see in hear.

622

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm.

623

Jamie Pound: And they're very in tune

with scanning the environment and watching

624

for a trigger or hearing a trigger.

625

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm.

626

Jamie Pound: working its nose, ge

generally starts to overpower every

627

other sense, and they start to ignore.

628

Distractions around them.

629

So I run general pet dog classes

630

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Right.

631

Jamie Pound: reactive dogs to our classes.

632

We work outside.

633

So we make sure we give

them plenty of space.

634

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Good.

635

Jamie Pound: If a, if a, if a owner

phone me up tomorrow and said, I've got a

636

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

637

Yeah.

638

Yeah.

639

Yeah.

640

Jamie Pound: walk nicely

on the lead, look at

641

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

642

Yeah.

643

Jamie Pound: Can, can take

the pressure off as well.

644

And they start to ignore the other dogs.

645

And I had it once with dog code.

646

And I think it was Nero.

647

Yeah, Nero.

648

And was highly reactive, German shepherd.

649

And we would tell all the owners, right.

650

When it's his go to come up for the

search, I want you all to step back.

651

So it gives him space to come up.

652

And,

653

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah,

654

Jamie Pound: Now, normally, if that was in

a behaviour class, he'd have looked across

655

at the other dog and probably kicked off.

656

But I think because he was in his flow

of his sniffing and doing his job, he was

657

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah,

658

Jamie Pound: it.

659

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

oh, that's pretty good.

660

Mm hmm.

661

Yeah.

662

Jamie Pound: exercises.

663

The movement in the other dogs is going

to heighten the reactivity in our dogs.

664

Whereas when we're working on stay

work, it might be easier for the dog to

665

focus because the triggers stationary.

666

actually, it can be a bit confusing

for that for the owner as well,

667

they're saying, Oh, well, he was

okay last week because we were

668

doing stays and and whatever.

669

But this week we're doing recalls

and he's just lost his mind.

670

it's because of the

movement in the other dogs.

671

Whereas

672

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

673

Jamie Pound: the game is predictable.

674

They know they're coming to do that job.

675

It might be a different

search, but it's the same job.

676

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

677

Jamie Pound: and you're naturally

building that positive association

678

around those other dogs.

679

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

680

Brilliant.

681

I love that.

682

Absolutely love that.

683

And obviously he's focused on what,

what he's doing is he doesn't have

684

to worry about what's going on

around him because he's so involved

685

with, you know, the scent work.

686

Jamie Pound: All this stuff

can be done on lead as well.

687

There's no

688

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah.

689

Jamie Pound: dog off the lead.

690

It can be done in small spaces.

691

So these dogs that these reactive

dogs generally can't be let off

692

leading in local parks and woodland,

693

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah,

694

Jamie Pound: we can do searches

with them on the lead in different

695

places to add to that stimulation.

696

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah.

697

What I love there as well is

that you said, I mean, because a

698

lot of people, they're basically

advertised no reactive dogs allowed.

699

And I love that you said that you welcome

reactive dogs because for the, for the pet

700

parent or the guardian, the owner to see

that, that's nice because otherwise they

701

can sometimes feel they can feel a bit

isolated if they've got a reactive dog.

702

And whereas you've said, you

know, you know, they're welcome.

703

And I think I really like that.

704

Jamie Pound: I think I've

personally got a soft spot for

705

that area of training because of

my history of what I went through.

706

I know the feelings.

707

I know how that that

708

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Exactly.

709

Jamie Pound: feeling.

710

And

711

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

712

Jamie Pound: before, it is

normally a bond breakdown.

713

And if we can get that person to like

their dog again, yeah, rather than

714

going, I dread putting that lead on the

dog and taking that dog out for a walk.

715

I dread even it.

716

taking him anywhere.

717

Actually, if they start enjoying at

least just once an hour a week, whether

718

it's in classes with you or they managed

to start them practicing at home.

719

Now you are improving that bond

and that person is changing

720

their perception of that dog and

721

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

722

Jamie Pound: the

behaviour training itself.

723

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

724

Love that.

725

Brilliant.

726

So what about then our high energy breeds?

727

How does Scentwork help

them focus and relax?

728

Jamie Pound: So absolutely.

729

Now you're talking your your let's

talk about our working Cocker Spaniels.

730

Yeah.

731

There's lots of people that go out

and get a working Cocker Spaniel

732

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

733

Jamie Pound: think they're

getting a clever dog so that

734

it's going to be easy to train.

735

That's totally the wrong thing.

736

dogs are normally the harder ones

to train because they pick up bad

737

behaviour just as good as they do

quick as they do good behaviour.

738

So most of the time I like it.

739

I always use Okay.

740

Thanks.

741

Spaniels for this is this example,

but most Spaniel owners might turn up

742

to the, the, the park with their dog.

743

They open the boot of the car and the

dog just does the best fun of its life

744

chasing birds or running 400 yards

away from them and having the best game

745

scent game in their life in the bushes.

746

Well, then what you get is a dog jumping

out of the car, rushing off for this

747

game, which is nothing to do with you,

which is going to affect your recall.

748

If you got that Spaniel out of the

car, and you popped it on the lead, and

749

you did some searches around your car

first, then you went on a walk, you're

750

going to have a dog that's lower in

arousal, so easier to manage on walks.

751

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

752

Jamie Pound: giving the dog the outlet

of the game, so they're going to look to

753

you, rather than the environment for it.

754

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

755

Jamie Pound: But yeah, all these

working breeds, Mally's are high

756

at the minute, you know, they're,

a lot of people are getting Mally's

757

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

758

Jamie Pound: realize the

work that they put in

759

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, yeah,

760

Jamie Pound: yeah, they're

known for their bite work, but

761

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah.

762

Jamie Pound: at arousal.

763

So I do know a lot of Mally

owners that, yeah, they might.

764

participate in agility or high

drive sports, which is going to

765

pump arousal through the roof

766

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Okay.

767

Jamie Pound: and probably

make general behaviour worse.

768

They balance it out with doing scent

work throughout the week as well to

769

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

That's, that's good.

770

Yeah.

771

Brilliant.

772

Jamie Pound: so yeah,

773

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

774

I often, I often say to some of my pet

parents or owners like if the dog's had

775

quite an excitable walk, I'm like, oh,

we need to do some brain and sniffy games

776

between now and the next walk just to

bring that, those arousal levels down.

777

And it works because they come out

on the next walk and they're not as

778

like you know, worked up and stuff.

779

So brilliant.

780

So I think we touched on obviously

this anyway again, but regardless

781

of a dog's age or breed is something

is, yeah, it's sent where it's

782

something that all dogs can do.

783

I think, you know,

784

Jamie Pound: dogs.

785

So again, older dogs.

786

Now this is, again, I'm passionate about

this because we've, there's a couple

787

of ends of the, there's a couple of

different types of older dog, let's say.

788

So you've got that older dog

that has served you all its life.

789

And you've, you've, you've done

maybe agility with this dog and

790

you've done some competitive type.

791

training, which is physical, so it might

be agility or competitive, obedient,

792

something like that, working trials.

793

Now this dog's getting that little

bit older and it physically can't,

794

you know, it's getting aches and

pains, might be suffering from

795

illness, arthritis, things like that.

796

We don't just stop.

797

Yeah, we don't just stop.

798

Okay, you can't do agility anymore.

799

So we just stop and we get

another dog and we work on the new

800

project and he just sits at home.

801

No, we don't.

802

We we look for something

else for that dog to do.

803

And

804

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah,

805

Jamie Pound: we're younger,

we are physically active.

806

We might participate in certain sports

or do running or things like that.

807

As we get older, we're probably likely

to do more reading or puzzles or whatever

808

it might be when, when we get to that

age, flicking on TikTok or something.

809

But, but yeah.

810

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

no, that's good.

811

It's good.

812

It can be for all ages

and all breeds of dogs.

813

I love that.

814

Okay.

815

So maybe not.

816

Jamie Pound: just touching on ages.

817

And we were talking about that.

818

It's a mixture of dogs can

participate in this together as well.

819

So

820

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

821

Jamie Pound: classes, I might have

younger dogs, puppies and older dogs.

822

And we had a a retired is a colleague

retired from he worked to music

823

and the highest level of agility.

824

She used to compete across

825

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh, wow.

826

Jamie Pound: same class.

827

But then we had a six month old

Labrador that had done absolutely

828

nothing in terms of baby training.

829

the six month old Labrador picked

it up a hell of a lot quicker than

830

the, the dog that had been trained

in all these other disciplines.

831

And it was great for that pet dog

owner to see this Collie who's normally

832

like God, super dog, super dog.

833

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Super dog.

834

Jamie Pound: yeah, absolutely.

835

To her, being beaten by a little

six month old Labrador who's

836

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, that's.

837

Jamie Pound: with toilet

training, let's say.

838

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

839

Yeah.

840

Jamie Pound: so

841

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, that's brilliant.

842

No, I love that.

843

So moving on to how pet parents

can get started with scent work.

844

So many pet parents assume scent

work is just for working dogs,

845

but how can everyday pet parents

get started with scent work?

846

Jamie Pound: Absolutely.

847

Now it doesn't need to be complicated.

848

That's the

849

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Hmm.

850

Yeah.

851

Jamie Pound: think, Oh, that's

when I first got into it,

852

my trainer used to scare me

853

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

854

Ha ha.

855

Gotcha.

856

Jamie Pound: used to be scared

to do it when I was at home,

857

just in case I got it wrong.

858

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Oh, okay.

859

Jamie Pound: And that's why my

passion is making it really easy

860

and foolproof for you to practice

without making any mistakes.

861

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

862

Jamie Pound: the we've

got a UK sniffer dogs.

863

We've got a free download that people

can get, which is 12 free set exercises

864

that they can do at home with their dog.

865

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Brilliant.

866

Jamie Pound: Originally, it was

five free exercises that we brought

867

out in lockdown because people

couldn't get out as much and we were

868

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

869

Yes.

870

Jamie Pound: to be able to have exercise

that they could do at home with their dog,

871

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

872

Jamie Pound: stimulation that they need.

873

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

874

Jamie Pound: over the years, we've

built it now up to 12 free exercises,

875

which will involve toys and food,

which we can start activating

876

the dog's nose in different ways.

877

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Brilliant.

878

Jamie Pound: some, it doesn't

need to be complicated.

879

Most of them can be done

within your home on your own.

880

Sometimes you might need to venture out

into your garden or, or things like that,

881

or, or even get, get doing it on walks

882

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

883

Jamie Pound: to get started by just doing

some simple search games for food or toys.

884

And then.

885

Sniffer Dogs, obviously we've got

UK Sniffer Dogs instructors now

886

all around the country that run

practical courses for pet dog owners

887

to go along and take their dog too.

888

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm.

889

Jamie Pound: this week I've had a

in my classes, I've had a Rottweiler

890

Cross German Shepherd, I've

891

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Wow.

892

Wow.

893

Jamie Pound: I've got Jack Russells, Jack

894

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Oh, wow.

895

Jamie Pound: she's coming

to crafts at little Jesse.

896

She won our, one of, one of

our gold competitions recently.

897

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

898

Jamie Pound: got, you've got Mally's there

working Cocker Spaniels and all these,

899

these top working breeds and the Jack

Russell's in there winning it as well.

900

So every dog can do it.

901

And, and, and.

902

Absolutely.

903

I would look at just putting

it in in some way into your

904

routine with your dog, whether

905

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

906

Jamie Pound: a day, and it's a different

little sniff game each day, food or toys,

907

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

908

Jamie Pound: want to take it a bit

further, look for a local instructor.

909

If you don't have a local

instructor, we've got online

910

courses where they can take

911

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

That's right.

912

Brilliant.

913

Brilliant.

914

Have you got any sort of fun and easy?

915

I know you've got the 12 games,

but is there any sort of fun,

916

easy scent based games that people

can play with their dogs at home?

917

Jamie Pound: absolutely.

918

Now that the one that I normally

use with puppies at home

919

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

920

Oh,

921

Jamie Pound: cup game.

922

So you'll

923

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: okay.

924

Jamie Pound: Yeah, two,

two cups and you're up.

925

I won't turn them up the other way because

Turn them up So they're up the other way

926

and pop a treat underneath one of them

927

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

928

Okay.

929

Okay.

930

Okay.

931

Okay.

932

Jamie Pound: reward the dog for their

effort in trying to get the treat

933

So if they, some dogs might pour

the pot and we say, yeah, good dog.

934

And they can take the pot and

then we can place one under the

935

pot again and switch them around.

936

Some dogs might nose, but a

couple of times, some dogs

937

might bark at you being a taxi.

938

Some dogs might you know, just

sit basically, I would say reward

939

effort in them trying to show you.

940

And it's just a quick, simple game.

941

by placing a treat under two

cups, switching them around,

942

playing a little switch game.

943

And you're working that

brain, you know, five treats,

944

couple of repetitions of that.

945

That's going to lower that,

that, that pops arousal.

946

And it's a bit of fun as well.

947

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, love that.

948

And we mentioned about

obviously on their walks.

949

So how can pet parents incorporate

scent work into their regular walks with

950

their dogs to make them more enriching?

951

Jamie Pound: Brilliant.

952

So I do a little thing

called environmental searches

953

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Okay.

954

Jamie Pound: Environmental search.

955

If you think about maybe puppy confidence

courses or where we used to get dogs used

956

to different surfaces and things like

that what we use in our behaviour class is

957

similar to that, but on using scent work.

958

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

959

Hmm.

960

Jamie Pound: And what I try and

tell my owners to do, even in my

961

behaviour classes, we cover searches

and we, we, we stress the importance

962

of, of, of playing searches with

your dog and we just do it with

963

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

964

Yeah.

965

Yeah.

966

Jamie Pound: It can send some them.

967

Of the air breathed in up to the brain.

968

It can send some down to

the lungs for breathing.

969

And that takes a lot of work.

970

So you're mentally tiring

your dog at the same time.

971

They're having a great game.

972

So environmental searches is great

and it can be done with food.

973

Again, it can be done with toy, but

just using, and I try and encourage

974

owners to look for different surfaces.

975

But I do say as my disclaimer,

only use something that is safe

976

and legal for you to do so.

977

Don't

978

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

979

Jamie Pound: it on next door's car.

980

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, definitely.

981

And I guess they could take out

if some of their food and do some

982

scatter feeding on a, on a walk, a

bit of find it and stuff like that.

983

Yeah.

984

Jamie Pound: of stimulation that they need

in the mornings and then we'll do further

985

training or walks later on in the day.

986

So, you know, you can use it when

you want to give your pup that extra

987

stimulation, or you can use it when they

are being a little bit aroused naughty.

988

Let's say let's use it to to

activate that and people say well,

989

aren't we rewarding the dog food?

990

He's biting my foot.

991

Aren't we rewarding them with a

find it by throwing food around?

992

No, what you're doing is you're

giving them an alternate game

993

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

994

Jamie Pound: predatory

game, which is sniffing

995

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

996

Yeah.

997

Jamie Pound: or hands

998

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

I know what I'd prefer.

999

Jamie Pound: Yeah.

00:39:07,511 --> 00:39:08,191

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Perfect.

00:39:08,342 --> 00:39:11,512

Jamie Pound: that they will calm and

they will relax after it as well.

00:39:12,011 --> 00:39:12,541

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Perfect.

00:39:12,851 --> 00:39:13,201

All right.

00:39:13,211 --> 00:39:15,221

So moving on to our next section.

00:39:15,521 --> 00:39:17,901

And then we're, we're, we're

not got much left after that.

00:39:17,901 --> 00:39:20,001

We've literally been sailing

for us, which is brilliant.

00:39:20,001 --> 00:39:22,611

Cause it's packed full of info,

but just a little bit about

00:39:22,621 --> 00:39:24,541

the science behind scent work.

00:39:25,301 --> 00:39:25,321

So.

00:39:25,756 --> 00:39:30,236

We've already mentioned some bits already,

but obviously dogs noses are 40 times more

00:39:30,236 --> 00:39:34,456

powerful than humans, and we've said that

they experience the world through scent.

00:39:34,786 --> 00:39:37,216

They have an incredible sense of smell.

00:39:37,266 --> 00:39:39,766

Can you explain what makes it so powerful?

00:39:40,322 --> 00:39:41,322

Jamie Pound: Yeah, absolutely.

00:39:41,322 --> 00:39:45,062

I mean, one of the biggest, one is the

amount of scent receptors a dog has.

00:39:45,396 --> 00:39:45,806

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

00:39:45,832 --> 00:39:48,362

Jamie Pound: have up to about

300 million scent receptors,

00:39:48,426 --> 00:39:49,076

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

It's mad.

00:39:49,272 --> 00:39:50,182

Jamie Pound: five to six million.

00:39:50,326 --> 00:39:51,066

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

That's mad, isn't it?

00:39:51,262 --> 00:39:55,232

Jamie Pound: And, and yeah, there's

your, your blood hounds and your dogs

00:39:55,242 --> 00:39:59,482

that are bred for scent in are going to

be in your three hundreds 300 millions.

00:40:00,096 --> 00:40:00,546

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

00:40:00,547 --> 00:40:04,507

Jamie Pound: your brachycephalic feeds and

your breeds and your your pointy nose you

00:40:04,507 --> 00:40:07,947

know, whippets and things like that are

still going to have high scent receptor

00:40:07,957 --> 00:40:09,837

cells and be good at using their nose.

00:40:10,406 --> 00:40:10,526

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Mm.

00:40:11,077 --> 00:40:13,707

Jamie Pound: one of the most fascinating

things for me, I would say is that dogs

00:40:13,737 --> 00:40:16,557

have two, what we call olfactory systems.

00:40:16,827 --> 00:40:16,957

So

00:40:16,996 --> 00:40:17,686

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

00:40:17,686 --> 00:40:19,768

Mm.

00:40:19,768 --> 00:40:21,851

Mm.

00:40:22,377 --> 00:40:24,147

Jamie Pound: that they

have of detecting scents.

00:40:24,457 --> 00:40:24,817

And.

00:40:25,067 --> 00:40:29,737

Our main olfactory system is located

at the front of their brain and it's,

00:40:30,167 --> 00:40:34,467

you've got what was called the olfactory

bulb, which processes the sense.

00:40:35,746 --> 00:40:36,706

Other dogs wee.

00:40:36,876 --> 00:40:37,146

Yeah.

00:40:37,146 --> 00:40:38,166

We see, we see that

00:40:38,504 --> 00:40:39,244

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

00:40:39,826 --> 00:40:40,436

Yeah.

00:40:40,616 --> 00:40:52,621

Okay.

00:40:52,621 --> 00:41:04,626

Yes.

00:41:04,707 --> 00:41:06,707

Jamie Pound: finding out

how healthy that dog is.

00:41:06,987 --> 00:41:10,097

It's potential mate or potential threat.

00:41:10,467 --> 00:41:13,337

So they can detect things that

are not necessarily there.

00:41:13,347 --> 00:41:16,097

And this is why it's been

why it's so powerful.

00:41:16,277 --> 00:41:21,287

And it's now being used to detect things

like cancer, diabetes, things like that.

00:41:21,836 --> 00:41:22,376

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

00:41:22,597 --> 00:41:25,027

Jamie Pound: and I say they're

detecting, they're detecting

00:41:25,027 --> 00:41:26,677

smells that we can't see.

00:41:26,677 --> 00:41:28,007

They're invisible things.

00:41:28,427 --> 00:41:32,337

And another thing that I

mentioned recently is, like I

00:41:32,337 --> 00:41:36,547

said, they detect ghosts so they

can detect the pheromones of

00:41:36,771 --> 00:41:38,681

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: I

often wonder, I often wonder this.

00:41:39,817 --> 00:41:43,497

Jamie Pound: well, they can detect they

can detect pheromones of other dogs

00:41:44,071 --> 00:41:44,491

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

00:41:44,687 --> 00:41:45,387

Jamie Pound: locations.

00:41:45,397 --> 00:41:50,597

So for instance, dogs might go into

a vets and a dog that was in there

00:41:50,607 --> 00:41:52,497

previously had a bad experience.

00:41:52,727 --> 00:41:55,307

Well, that dog would have

given off certain pheromones

00:41:55,781 --> 00:41:56,251

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

00:41:57,067 --> 00:41:58,087

Jamie Pound: fear pheromones.

00:41:58,501 --> 00:41:59,061

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

00:41:59,061 --> 00:42:02,108

Yeah.

00:42:02,108 --> 00:42:05,156

Yeah.

00:42:05,156 --> 00:42:08,203

Yeah.

00:42:08,203 --> 00:42:11,251

Right.

00:42:11,592 --> 00:42:14,492

Jamie Pound: With a potential threat,

they'll give off these pheromones,

00:42:14,541 --> 00:42:25,971

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

00:42:25,977 --> 00:42:27,367

Jamie Pound: because they can smell other

00:42:27,531 --> 00:42:28,271

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

I can smell.

00:42:28,567 --> 00:42:28,807

Jamie Pound: in the past.

00:42:28,808 --> 00:42:29,987

So

00:42:30,131 --> 00:42:30,441

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: mad.

00:42:30,837 --> 00:42:31,787

Jamie Pound: it's so amazing.

00:42:31,787 --> 00:42:33,697

The dog snows and, and that's where they.

00:42:33,897 --> 00:42:39,137

they'll use it to detect in humans

through sweat or saliva and then be a

00:42:39,147 --> 00:42:41,027

medical assistant stock in terms of like

00:42:41,041 --> 00:42:41,721

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes,

00:42:41,747 --> 00:42:42,447

Jamie Pound: or things like that.

00:42:42,601 --> 00:42:43,561

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

yeah, yeah.

00:42:43,767 --> 00:42:45,057

Jamie Pound: their

capabilities are endless.

00:42:45,097 --> 00:42:45,717

It's amazing.

00:42:46,341 --> 00:42:47,591

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

I think they can pick up on, like,

00:42:47,611 --> 00:42:50,391

when a woman's pregnant, can't they,

like, the hormone changes and stuff

00:42:50,401 --> 00:42:51,811

like that affects their behaviour.

00:42:52,211 --> 00:42:53,831

Because that's happened to a few dogs.

00:42:53,837 --> 00:42:55,707

Jamie Pound: long before any other.

00:42:56,591 --> 00:42:57,121

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

00:42:57,367 --> 00:42:59,687

Jamie Pound: you know,

dogs, dogs have proven to

00:42:59,721 --> 00:43:01,631

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

just, that's mad.

00:43:02,067 --> 00:43:04,737

Jamie Pound: long before

any medical tests can do.

00:43:05,351 --> 00:43:06,731

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: I

think they were starting to be used

00:43:06,751 --> 00:43:10,211

to, like, spot COVID, weren't they, or

something, or something along those lines.

00:43:10,561 --> 00:43:11,001

Yeah,

00:43:11,137 --> 00:43:13,787

Jamie Pound: efficient and they

can pick it up a lot quicker

00:43:14,371 --> 00:43:14,821

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah

00:43:15,097 --> 00:43:15,557

yeah.

00:43:15,614 --> 00:43:16,144

Jamie Pound: So there's,

00:43:16,387 --> 00:43:17,187

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

I don't know.

00:43:17,557 --> 00:43:20,377

I don't know if I've got this right

but can they detect, I don't know

00:43:20,417 --> 00:43:23,927

if I heard where I heard this,

like, like a teaspoon of sugar in an

00:43:23,927 --> 00:43:26,527

Olympic sized pool, swimming pool.

00:43:26,528 --> 00:43:28,617

Ha ha ha ha ha.

00:43:28,909 --> 00:43:30,249

Jamie Pound: is half a teaspoon of sugar

00:43:30,297 --> 00:43:31,097

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Harvesties.

00:43:31,139 --> 00:43:31,769

Jamie Pound: swimming pool.

00:43:32,277 --> 00:43:32,847

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yes.

00:43:32,848 --> 00:43:34,517

Ha ha ha ha

00:43:34,559 --> 00:43:35,419

Jamie Pound: sugar in tea.

00:43:35,729 --> 00:43:37,459

I can't, but some people can.

00:43:37,459 --> 00:43:38,319

But dogs can

00:43:38,327 --> 00:43:38,457

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: ha.

00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:41,139

Jamie Pound: half a teaspoon in

an Olympic sized swimming pool.

00:43:41,369 --> 00:43:41,569

So,

00:43:42,147 --> 00:43:42,917

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

That's nuts.

00:43:43,319 --> 00:43:43,919

Jamie Pound: as well.

00:43:44,029 --> 00:43:46,599

One I like is because

humans are quite visual.

00:43:47,009 --> 00:43:47,359

So,

00:43:47,587 --> 00:43:48,047

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

00:43:48,139 --> 00:43:50,159

Jamie Pound: things, we see

the world with our eyes, don't

00:43:50,317 --> 00:43:50,947

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: We do.

00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:56,474

Jamie Pound: If you In a comparison

from sight to scent, so our sight to dog

00:43:56,474 --> 00:44:04,434

scent, you could see a third of a mile,

the dog could see 3, 000 some miles away.

00:44:04,934 --> 00:44:08,554

So if you're, and that's

like London to New York.

00:44:09,434 --> 00:44:13,254

So potentially your dog could sniff

to New York, the distance that

00:44:13,304 --> 00:44:15,364

you can see a third of a mile.

00:44:15,364 --> 00:44:17,264

Yeah, the dog can see 3,

00:44:17,282 --> 00:44:17,672

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: mad.

00:44:17,924 --> 00:44:18,474

Jamie Pound: with their nose.

00:44:18,484 --> 00:44:18,804

So,

00:44:19,212 --> 00:44:19,752

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

That's mad.

00:44:20,189 --> 00:44:22,559

Jamie Pound: Yeah, it's a,

it's, it's a powerful tool.

00:44:23,117 --> 00:44:23,672

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: It is.

00:44:23,982 --> 00:44:26,982

So how does scent work actually

affect a dog's brain and mood?

00:44:28,419 --> 00:44:32,189

Jamie Pound: So it's going to release

chemicals in the brain and there's

00:44:32,189 --> 00:44:36,219

an actual chemical change happening

in the dog's brain when the dog

00:44:36,249 --> 00:44:41,199

is let's say when a dog is doing

something that they find pleasurable.

00:44:41,699 --> 00:44:43,689

Parts of their brain are

going to be activated.

00:44:44,089 --> 00:44:46,419

So the orbital frontal

cortex is one of these.

00:44:46,749 --> 00:44:50,669

And generally that's activated

when we, we have that as well.

00:44:50,669 --> 00:44:55,109

When we do something that we find

pleasurable, know that dogs love sniffing.

00:44:55,569 --> 00:44:59,169

So we know that we're making that

chemical change within the brain.

00:45:00,459 --> 00:45:02,799

so we definitely see it cheered dogs up.

00:45:02,849 --> 00:45:07,309

I had a, I had a puppy week one

sniffer dog class yesterday, and we

00:45:07,309 --> 00:45:10,159

got two litter mates poodly types.

00:45:10,899 --> 00:45:15,859

One of them is like over enthusiastic

and just can't wait to do the job.

00:45:16,109 --> 00:45:19,969

The other one was very reserved and,

and, and a bit nervous to come forward.

00:45:19,969 --> 00:45:21,539

A little bit nervous of me as well.

00:45:22,039 --> 00:45:26,029

We did about three to four searches

in the last search, that dog that

00:45:26,029 --> 00:45:27,189

was a little bit more reserved.

00:45:27,549 --> 00:45:33,039

jumped with excitement and wagged its tail

when I went to hide the object, whereas

00:45:33,089 --> 00:45:37,579

all the other times I did it previously,

the dog was showing signs of fear,

00:45:38,262 --> 00:45:38,752

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah,

00:45:38,959 --> 00:45:41,039

Jamie Pound: it was towards me or

whether it was towards the kit that

00:45:41,049 --> 00:45:42,629

we were asking the dog to search.

00:45:43,092 --> 00:45:43,602

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: yeah,

00:45:43,679 --> 00:45:46,609

Jamie Pound: Just by doing three, and she

started to build trust in the game and

00:45:46,609 --> 00:45:49,389

like the game, her whole attitude changed.

00:45:49,634 --> 00:45:50,264

In our mood.

00:45:50,284 --> 00:45:52,234

So absolutely affects their mental state

00:45:53,192 --> 00:45:53,742

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Love that.

00:45:53,744 --> 00:45:58,734

Jamie Pound: to have a dog in a good

mental state before we start the actual

00:45:58,734 --> 00:46:03,804

training because most of the time

behaviour is down to trauma or past

00:46:03,804 --> 00:46:05,804

experiences or how the dog is feeling.

00:46:06,654 --> 00:46:08,464

Yeah, we can have learned behaviour.

00:46:08,464 --> 00:46:13,514

There is learned behaviour that happens,

but most of the time see behaviour issues

00:46:13,734 --> 00:46:16,944

from, certain experiences or even pain.

00:46:17,364 --> 00:46:22,614

So once pain has been addressed and

make sure pain is not there, then

00:46:22,614 --> 00:46:26,964

absolutely using scent work to mentally

stimulate that dog is going to benefit.

00:46:27,897 --> 00:46:28,547

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Perfect.

00:46:28,937 --> 00:46:29,167

Brilliant.

00:46:29,167 --> 00:46:29,667

That's great.

00:46:29,677 --> 00:46:34,157

So why is scent based problem

solving much more rewarding for dogs

00:46:34,167 --> 00:46:35,667

than simply just running around?

00:46:38,214 --> 00:46:44,524

Jamie Pound: I think it's dogs

revel in it and they they they're

00:46:44,524 --> 00:46:45,764

the only ones that can do it.

00:46:46,327 --> 00:46:46,727

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

00:46:46,974 --> 00:46:52,294

Jamie Pound: I think sometimes we see I

think dogs are that clever and you know,

00:46:52,437 --> 00:46:52,967

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

They are.

00:46:53,404 --> 00:46:56,784

Jamie Pound: pick up objects or do

silly tricks and then I'll shut up.

00:46:56,814 --> 00:47:00,954

You, you, you turn around on the

spot or you pick the spoon up.

00:47:01,354 --> 00:47:01,884

Sniff.

00:47:01,944 --> 00:47:02,764

You can't do that.

00:47:02,764 --> 00:47:03,674

I'll show you how it's done.

00:47:03,964 --> 00:47:04,094

Yeah.

00:47:04,964 --> 00:47:07,194

So I think there's that

element that they know.

00:47:07,474 --> 00:47:09,334

They're they're capable of this.

00:47:09,957 --> 00:47:10,337

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

00:47:10,494 --> 00:47:12,154

Jamie Pound: they

naturally enjoy doing it.

00:47:12,524 --> 00:47:16,984

And, and it's just the pleasure I get

watching the dog enjoy themselves to it.

00:47:17,364 --> 00:47:22,064

Enjoy themselves doing it because

you, you just know by watching

00:47:22,064 --> 00:47:23,334

every single dog that's doing it.

00:47:23,654 --> 00:47:26,114

I mean, drug stocks, when you

watch them at the airport, they

00:47:26,114 --> 00:47:27,234

always look so bloody happy.

00:47:27,697 --> 00:47:28,767

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

Yeah, they do.

00:47:29,307 --> 00:47:29,577

Well,

00:47:29,634 --> 00:47:29,894

Jamie Pound: most of

00:47:29,937 --> 00:47:30,377

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

again, you're,

00:47:30,654 --> 00:47:31,514

Jamie Pound: they don't find

00:47:32,257 --> 00:47:33,527

Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour:

no, well, again, you're giving

00:47:33,527 --> 00:47:35,027

them that job to do, aren't you?

00:47:35,027 --> 00:47:37,117

You're giving them something to do.

00:47:37,157 --> 00:47:38,887

That's what they, they,

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Jamie Pound: The reinforcement

is in the game itself.

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Yeah,

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: mmm.

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Jamie Pound: rewards to mold

behaviour and shape indication.

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But most of the time, the reward is

in the reward is in the in the game.

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Jamie Pound: intrinsic behaviour.

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And

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.

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Jamie Pound: Drugstores and operational

dogs will search all day long and

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they're not always finding but

they're still enjoying that got job

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Nathan Dunleavy - The Yappy Hour: Yeah.