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Our guests today at HealthCare Untold is RAMA Blueprints podcast

cohost Socorro Gamboa and Darren J.

de Leon.

Welcome to Healthcare Untold.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you for having us.

So we're so excited to have both of you on.

You know, we, as Latino, Latinx, Latina, podcasters, we really wanted to bring

other Latinx podcasters to talk to them, and also to share their incredible

tools of podcasting for our communities.

It's a great way to communicate to our community messages that they

probably don't hear from anywhere else.

Well, thank you for having us and thank you for what you're doing,

in inspiration and motivation and getting that word out there through

your podcast on Healthcare Untold.

I wanna thank you for this opportunity for us to, to talk together about

our work and what we're doing, and our goals and our intentions, as

far as impacting community and getting information out there.

Yeah, I wanna, I also wanna thank for, thank you for

opening up your podcast to us.

I think what's gonna happen.

I think we're gonna share this with our audience too.

So at some point we're gonna be interviewing you

folks during the show here.

Once again, I think it's really important that the Latinx podcasters

really, at least at the minimum, get to know each other and if they

can share space and share time and dialogue, I think that's even greater.

So I'm, happy about this event happening today.

Yeah, me too.

And again thanking Gerardo Sandoval for our backstage kind of work that he does.

And also he's also a co-host as well.

And as you know, cross promotion is really important for our listeners.

It's a way for us to grow our podcast.

And it's a tool, I think, to encourage people, to listen to more

podcasts from Latinx podcasters.

So we really appreciate you here today.

So let's find out a little bit about your podcast and how you started and

tell us about the focus of your podcast.

So, we got started out of the pandemic.

Darren and I have known each other for over 20 years, we met at RAP when I

was the high school principal there.

And I was the, the last executive director in a sense of the form of the organization

known as the Real Alternatives Program.

But we had a high school in there.

. And so that's kind of our history, how we work together.

I was his supervisor.

I was the principal and he was one of the teachers.

But not just any teacher, he was an extraordinary teacher.

He taught English and literature.

And he was also on the radio.

So as the pandemic became viral in a sense and started going crazy with

us, and affecting so many people.

Obviously, I was home, and I began to isolate.

Unfortunately, as a result of the pandemic and other illnesses, I

lost several friends, four friends.

I started thinking in my head and started all this stuff started coming.

And I started thinking about the work at RAP.

All the communication.

All the relationships.

All the history.

The people I had met.

And I had talked to Darren on occasion.

We had driven up to San Francisco.

One of our former students passed away.

we started getting connected and started talking about how

we could bring people together.

Yeah, I wanna take a step back RAMA blueprints podcast is

telling the story of a San Francisco nonprofit called Real Alternatives

Program that was founded in 1969.

But unfortunately, it closed its doors in the year 2000.

So through those, 31 years or so, uh, They created a, youth movement and they

did leadership development inside San Francisco's Mission District, that was

so incredible and transformational to not only the individuals, but it actually

transformed the Mission District, their community, also themselves,

and then eventually the whole city.

So, what we're doing is that we are now telling this story about how RAP, Real

Alternatives Program has developed.

And like Socorro was saying, I was a teacher and she was running the school.

And so at some point, we wanted to have a family reunion and we

wound up having these on zoom.

And it was interesting because.

these people who were staff members for, for years who hadn't came

back together for about 20 years or so, they made their way back

together through the zoom meetings.

And so we had like seven.

RAP Familia zoom meetings is what we called them.

And every generation of RAP came together.

It's just really interesting how the word got out and people were like, I

wanna go, how come I don't have the link.

I wanna, I wanna connect.

And Darren's absolutely right.

People that hadn't spoken in almost 20 years were now speaking to each other.

Our tagline is "to listen, is to heal."

And we started witnessing a healing in a lot of ways of what was going on.

There had been people that had kind of just disconnected, and some ill feelings

and some people made their way through zoom and eventually connected once again.

The way we worked?

It was, it was like a Familia.

I mean, it was so we were so tied together.

We worked unselfishly, worked tirelessly, people worked a lot,

and there was a core of people that worked together for a lot of years.

And so we do the zoom meetings and Darren, his genius mind and he starts

going, you know, we could probably do something like, like a podcast.

He already had experience.

He'd been, he'd been on the radio and I had no clue.

I was just like, okay, sure.

Yeah.

I don't, I don't mind.

I like to talk, so let's just do this.

And so we started with interviews.

and we started to interview some of the more older, the elder generation,

the folks that had paved the way.

And we started hearing all these stories, all the stuff that started coming out.

There are five organizations that were like the anchor

organizations in the Mission.

What we dubbed is the five sisters.

Both Darren and our gardeners and we started talking about how could

we bring them together through this concept of gardening that

we both are participating in.

Yeah.

As we had been gardening and talking about gardening and that metaphor of the garden,

we were following one of the indigenous planting practices are the three

sisters, which is corn squash and beans.

And those not only provide the minerals for you to live, but they

have a symbiotic relationship to each other and they help each other grow.

And so when we looked at the anchor organizations in San Francisco, we

had identified five of them and we know that there's a lot, lot more.

But these five pivotal ones worked in conjunction with RAP doing a lot of the

youth advocacy and violence prevention work that needed to get done, providing

court advocacy and services for those individuals that most people ignore

that they don't want them in their services, that they don't want them

in their classroom, that they don't want them in their presence because

they feel that they are dangerous kids and they don't understand them.

Luis Rodriguez refers to them as a throwaway kids.

The ways that, that throw away society, that they just wish that they're

put into prisons and incarcerated for the rest of their life and not

have to worry or deal with them.

Fortunately, we see the value in those young minds.

And the only thing that they're rebelling is there rebelling to have

failed system that is unable to develop them in their interest and to be a

productive citizen inside their lives.

But at RAP we saw those.

If a kid was caught up in some type of a drama, we could not only help

them, but once we get to know them, we could find what their strengths were

and gear them toward a more positive life, like within the community.

And there's, it's such a beauty of that because RAP

represents such an incredible story.

And what I've found through this podcast and talking to other people around

the country is that's so true for many of our Latino Latinx communities that

these types of organizations, the self indigenous organizations bring about

social change in their communities.

And that's really one of the reasons we really wanna tell, tell those

untold stories but with the beauty that you're doing, you're really

going deep into that to see what happened and how did it happen.

And I think it's gonna be great understanding, and also some examples

of what our future leaders can look to.

This is the new technology of oral histories that you're doing.

And so I really honor that and I think it's a beautiful project for you to do.

One thing I wanted to mention is that the other motivator

is about the lessons learned, right?

As you mentioned, there's a new generation of Latino, Latinx leaders

in San Francisco all over the country.

And you can learn a lot from when they chained the doors at juvenile

hall to what's happening now of the closures of all the juvenile halls,

all the youth centers, detention centers in particular California.

We're bringing those parallels like what happened 30 years

ago what's happening now?

Has, are things changed?

It's really, really important.

There's the new generation of leaders.

I have to say, honestly, as you know, I can call myself an elder, a

person that's been doing community work for quite a number of years.

Some folks, they get it handed to 'em.

They don't know what to do with it.

Right.

They don't understand the history, they don't understand the struggle.

And so, part of what this podcast does is it talks about the struggle

to get to where we're at now.

Not that it's perfect.

Not that we've all got it all there already, but at least it can help

people give an understanding, like what are some of those lessons, what are

some of those errors you don't wanna make that we made, that folks made?

And how do we really, move towards a unified Latinx community, Chicano/

Latino community, BIPOC community.

I just wanna say this really quick, the originators of RAP which was a

group called EMUNYO was a BIPOC group.

It was Black, Latino, Samoan, Filipino, Japones, Koreanos it was

a group of people working together.

That's what it was.

They all live in the Mission and all of them have said this, we all just loved

each other and we respected each other.

It didn't matter where we were from what we looked like.

And so somehow, we wanna bring that energy out through the podcast and

share that with people to people say, Hey, at one point there was

things were being done out of love but also also done out of, you know,

fighting for what is rightfully ours.

How did you guys get started?

Well, I just wanted to comment on that.

Okay.

Because coming from the Long Beach LA area.

When I was young, there was a interchange between San Francisco

young kids and ourselves.

and the San Francisco kids came down.

And one of the striking things for me was the fact that many of them were biracial.

And being raised in a very segregated community between African Americans

and Chicanos, in my neighborhood we integrated, but it was very

segregated at the same time.

That was the beauty that I saw in San Francisco was that BIPOC unity

with young people and kind of the leadership also embracing that.

And that's not true for all of our movements in the terms of

how we were having to develop.

So I think San Francisco was ahead of its time in that way.

right.

So, I started the podcast in the aspect of having over 30 years in healthcare and

just meeting, working with people who were so incredible in healthcare and working

on developing a farm worker clinic in Watsonville, which is called Salud Para La

Gente and it's still a big organization.

We started in an apple shed with a doctor who really wanted to do some free care.

And I was organizing food security programs and we invited them in and we

started a free clinic for farm workers and that became a real movement.

And so many people like Dr.

Michael Alcale who kind of gave his life to those kinds of movements, I

really wanted to capture their stories.

And so approaching Gerardo about how do we do this technically?

I knew I wanted to do a podcast.

I just didn't know how to do it.

And so Gerardo really helped me in that engagement and then finding

more and more and more people with so many common threads, that people

coming together can really make a difference in their communities.

Yeah, it was not a coincidence.

I think it was meant to be, you know, having my first experience in, uh,

the Watson community as a college kid and going and working for Salud Para

La Gente and Barbara, I think that instilled in me a need to continue

to pay attention to our community.

And so when Barbara approached me about this idea with HealthCare

Untold it was very automatic.

It was, something that, again, was instilled in me from back then and

understanding that our community needs us.

Earlier Socorro mentioned our podcast and our community, and I think that's

what struck me from the beginning when we were working back then and we're

doing now is that in order for us to continue to support our community,

we need to tell these stories and what you guys are doing Socorro and

Darren, that's exactly what it is.

We're telling these stories.

And that's, what's amazing about, you know, the power of the mic, the power

of distribution, and, the need for us to continue to produce and be out

there with, and about our community.

What I find Socorro and Darren is that so many of our leaders, they may have

a lot of public, work that they do, but they're so scared to tell their stories.

I'm not sure if you find that as well.

But they're kind of challenged by the technology of what we're doing.

And once they start, of course, telling their story.

It's a beautiful one of course.

Yesterday I was doing a podcast with a woman who'd spent 40 years doing

jail health and doing homeless health and no one had asked her story.

No one had ever asked about her story.

I, I think we have found that in some of the

elders that we have spoken with.

And then we've also from interviewing them, we have found stuff about them

about who they are as the persona, right.

Who they are, what drives them, or finding out that at 16, they were involved in

some negative street stuff and then you see them and you go, oh my God, that's

so and so, and then they reveal that.

Or maybe even taking care of their parents at 14, we have a couple of

brothers that have worked in the Mission District that became instant

parents to their mom with a fire.

Their whole house burned down.

I think it was on Shotwell.

And then what drove them to becoming those human beings and caring and compassion.

It's so interesting for at least for Darren and I to have these conversations

and then you hear the story and then we say, oh my God, we we've gotta

talk about that part, that side of so and so, So, and so has this image

and that's what people think, but we need to kind of open that up.

So people start to see the humanity in these individuals.

It's been an interesting journey because the other part of this story is to talk

about the worker, the frontline workers.

My own background, a lot of it came out of doing street outreach work.

I was working directly on the street with a lot of, as they

say, hitters and quitters.

And you know, you name it.

I was working with the homies for a long time and I'm considered a square.

I don't come from that life, but we wanna tell that story too, of the frontline

worker, the outreach worker, the student that's getting her LCSW, that person,

because they're on the front lines.

And a lot of times often you recognize the executive directors, the community

leaders, but then there's Fulana over there who works 40, 60 hours a week,

trying to get that kid to go to his probation meeting because of this and

this and that and what that energy takes.

And so part of the RAMA Blueprints podcast is to talk about that community worker

to share that story of what are some of the challenges to live in this life and

saying, yeah, I'm I work in the community.

But what about their own challenges to keep them their mental health situation?

How does that keep them going?

The issues of counter transference, the issues of PTSD, I could go down the

list, vicarious trauma, you know, if I was self-analyze myself from all the

work I did, you know, I go, well, yeah, I'm walking vicarious trauma sometimes.

Cuz I, sometimes I get retriggered.

I think that not only is it about telling this beautiful story, and the

history of activism in the mission district and community and its impact

citywide, nationally too, because rap it had it fingers everywhere.

It has tentacles everywhere.

It's also about what it takes to do that.

What kind of commitment does it take?

You know, there was a commercial about Lay's potato chips.

You just can't have one.

Back in the day and Ray Balberan used to always say, you know, doing community

work is like eating Lay's potato chips.

Once you have one, you can't stop.

And we'd be like, oh, it's kind of weird the analogy, but he would say that to us.

Doing work in the community can be super great and rewarding, but it also can be

really, really hard on the individual.

We're exploring that we have some interviews of some frontline workers,

some community workers, folks that have gone through some pretty serious, you

know, challenges as a result of it.

Yeah.

You know, that's so interesting Socorro, because one of the things that I've found

is that many of the executive directors of our programs were the frontline workers.

And so they have that in heart of how they treat their

employees and what they're doing.

And so I think that's a really important part of sending that traditional role of

leadership development in organizations.

And I think that's one of.

Many important facets of, of Latinx, Latino, Chicano organizations is

understanding that their leadership was there in that frontline.

I was also a frontline worker and did some of the same work that you're

talking about Socorro and, with trying to do gang prevention work.

And that was doing murals and doing educational pieces and

trying to understand what that dynamic of the potential violence

was going to be around me.

What I learned because I went through a little bit of different kind of trauma,

which was an earthquake of '89 which was centered in downtown Watsonville.

And then also two floods, that was the Pajaro river.

I learned primarily from that system of the red cross that self care

of that worker is so important.

And that I tried to embed that in the work that I do.

In fact, last night, I had a conversation with the colleague and she says,

"well, one of the things you taught me was to take care of myself."

And I think that's a real important message for us to give to our leaders

that it's okay to take care of yourself.

It's okay to take that short vacation because in the long term you're gonna

be better at the work that you do.

And that's an important point you make, I think of the five

executive directors currently that we're focusing on in the community.

All of them came out of being frontline workers, and that generational

education that, you know, motivating people to do that is so critical.

I was just thinking about people at Instituto and just all the

people that have come out of that.

One of the episodes will be to focus on the new generation of

leaders and sort of their stories.

And how they kind of came up through the ranks per se.

That's a very important point.

Thank you for mentioning that.

I wanna add on to that about frontline workers, because

that is one of the specific target profiles that we are aiming toward.

One of the things that we found out just in our research is that with every

new generation of frontline workers and people who are extending themselves out

into a career in doing community service work, That we find out that some come

from the outside of outside the bay area and starting their careers here.

And they don't have an understanding of all that social services and the

history of it and how they work together collectively inside the Mission.

So as a result, we have folks are working in silos.

But what we're talking about in our stories too, is about how those

opportunities for training for frontline workers, how did that come about?

And it all started with a community organizer, community member by the name

of Jim Queen who was a merchant Marine.

And he just liked helping to develop a community.

And when he was approached with these young people.

That first marked the creation of EMUNYO, but it also marked a very important

developmental stage inside that community where support programs were gonna happen.

And the one line that he would always tell his young leaders that he was helping

develop was that those people with degrees or those people who are professionals,

or those people who are older than you, they don't have the skills that you have.

Some things you are an expert in, some things that they are not.

And so he was able to get the best out of those folks in the name of

creating a type of lifestyle of the environment, that's gonna be safe and

helpful to their family and beneficial to themselves and to the community.

And that's the story that we're, telling also too,

I have a question.

What is the primary teaching that you'd like for your target

audience to gain from the podcast.

What are the reactions you're looking for?

What are some of those objectives?

I strongly believe that the more we produce, the more we're out there.

And so I think that that's what is important.

As Latinos, as Latinx, as BIPOC the more we produce, the more we're out there.

And I think that's the primary message.

I personally have and mission I suppose, is so that, we together

can help each other by making sure that our story is out there.

So production for me is important and key to getting our word out, to getting our

message out, to getting our story out.

And within that there's a lot of need for us to understand where

are we coming from and who we are.

Yeah, I guess I really want to push the issue

of innovation and invention.

And my father was an inventor and I would see him take a blank piece of paper and he

was a shipyard worker and he designed some hooks for the painters of the big ships.

So they wouldn't fall off the scaffold.

And he was so proud of his work, and so was the Navy.

They gave him a little certificate and a $500 little bonus, but he saved

probably hundreds of thousands of people.

And so that blank piece of paper of being able to invent, innovate ideas,

and also bring people along with you in solving some of our world's

problems that we can do that together.

our stories prove that over and over again that people coming together can

really support and help people in the most suffering thing they may have.

I'd like to ask a question that's regarding the topics that you

choose to present and discuss on there.

Your podcast is called HealthCare Untold and so we we're assuming that

everything is gonna be about healthcare.

And I don't know if it's the physical, or what aspects when

you're looking at healthcare are you folks trying to address?

Well, that's a great question because healthcare, as I've learned

in the public health field is the social determinants of health.

It can go everywhere from where you live.

How you live.

they say that your zip code will tell what your health status is, and it has

more to do with poverty, social justice.

When we look at healthcare, we're looking at the entire

social determinants of health.

I'm working on a project right now of how do you bring health,

financial security and housing.

As, kind of the ingredients for this COVID recovery.

So, you know, recovering from COVID is not just recovering from that disease.

We have to change the fabric of our communities to improve health

status to ensure that people have the ability to isolate when they get sick.

That they have a healthy home.

That they have food.

And so it is that broad spectrum.

And that's why it's called HealthCare Untold the untold stories

of what really healthcare is.

You mentioned zip codes, right.

You know, right away it triggered that thought and it's like, oh

I guess I do live in the ghetto.

you know?

Yeah.

And it's so telling about just because of your zip code you're

already like pigeonholed.

And so that tells data analyst, whoevers is determining, who you are because of

that in regards to your health, but it also has to do with your financial health.

Right?

And so we talk a lot about other health factors that impact our physical health.

It is emotional.

It is financial.

It is your status quo.

All that impacts your health.

By the way, these are my first prescription eye glasses.

And so when I first went to get examined, I didn't realize

how important eye health is.

And again, you know, it's so fascinating to realize how many people don't have

access to a pair of glasses or to an exam and how important it is, how vital it is

for their health and for their survival.

Being in the zip code that I am, it is impacting people.

So that's where HealthCare Untold is, you know, it's a little bit

of all these factors that impact our overall health as humans.

There's a startling data point that came out of the JAMA which

is the journal of medical association.

And it says that during 2019 to 2021, that the Latino life expectancy

shrunk by six years from 82 to 76.

And we're not talking about it.

What does that mean?

What does it mean for you to not live to 82, but to die at 76.

For your families?

For the wealth of the community?

Cuz you know, our community works till they're very old.

So I do think that these untold stories are so important for our communities to

learn from, but also to take action about.

You know, a really good point and I'm just gonna touch real quickly

on the health perspective because I'm a cancer survivor and I'm 20 years,

21 years into my cancer being gone.

And when I worked in the community, I had no concept of self care.

it was like work, work, work, work, work, work.

Socorro Socorro Socorro.

You know, my name Socorro means to ayudar, to help.

Right.

I didn't learn that until I went to a, um, a restorative justice

workshop about 10 years ago.

And I was doing some sort of training with some folks.

We had talk about our name and I literally lived it.

Lived my work and, ate, breathed community work.

And when I think about your podcast and I think what's important, like

finding out about your eyes, right?

Gerardo like, I have been wearing those cheapy deepy readers mm-hmm because,

I was like, I don't eat glasses.

But I finally went to the doctor and there are my first prescription reading glasses.

I think three years ago.

And I started realizing, oh my God.

And when I'm in those doctor's offices I see people like, oh,

well, you know, haggling like, oh, I can't afford it or this or that.

And it's really, really sad to see that.

But it's also so important for our community to take care of itself right.

To take care of one's self, mind, body and spirit.

And in particular your physical health, I can talk about my Tia Guadalupe who

lived to be 102, and she ate 10 corn tortillas, a glass of milk, pan dulce.

Her ritual was like the most high carb diet I had ever seen in my life.

Somehow there was other factors involved was taking a little walk,

being outside, sitting in the solicito listening to the birds.

There was other type of medicina and one of the things that we explored in episode

one was that medicina of the altar.

Of how we grieve, how we practice, a lot of those sacred traditions.

I see our podcast as also providing those kind of avenues

to seeking your ancestral ways.

Because it does help you heal in a lot of ways.

And so for me personally, where I'm at now in compared to how I was when I was

like working my butt off all the time.

I know now to take those times to self care.

So as we're doing these interviews with these frontline

workers, we're exploring that.

How do you self care?

What are some of the practices you're using right now?

In episode three, when we talked about the Uvalde episode in that round table, each

one of those persons was just so moved.

Just triggered with that experience of uvalde everything that happened there.

But each one of 'em also had a remedio, a remedy on how to take care of themselves.

And I think that's kind of the interesting thing about the podcast we're producing

RAMA Blueprints, is that we can delve into that and get experience from that

and share that message with folks.

I have a question.

How do you envision your shows responsibility to the community?

Yeah.

I think that sharing people's stories, the importance of the Latinx,

Latino, Chicana Chicano communities.

allowing them to share their stories to a bigger audience of

their failures, of their successes.

And then what I found, and I think you're touching on this greatly is

people coming together to create these incredible organizations and that

development of the organization and, intermingled with what a Familia is, but

then trying to keep the business alive.

I think are kind of the responsibilities that we see of telling the true

stories of what's really going on in our community with hope and love.

One of the responsibilities for community that we have is that,

since I'm trained in radio and also a little bit in production and stuff,

I think the responsibility is, is for me to share my skills to help

further the development of a community.

Now that I partnered with Socorro specifically because she had

that professional experience and working within this organization.

And so what we've decided.

It's fine with me is that we tell these stories of how youth leadership

development occurred and then give them these examples of lessons learned or

blueprints, which is why it's in the title of how to develop leadership that's

gonna have an impact on your community.

So our responsibility definitely is to tell the story of San

Francisco, Mission District and how it has effectively controlled the

destiny of their own neighborhood.

And if there are communities out there that have no idea of what that

type of self-determination feels like or they get hit with issues

that they're unable to handle.

I'll just give you a quick example.

Back when gentrification occurred here in San Francisco and a lot of

folks were forced to leave the city.

A lot of them wound up in Santa Rosa and unfortunately, they started experiencing

youth community violence in Santa Rosa, and they had no idea how to deal with it

because a lot of those kids were coming from Oakland or coming from San Francisco.

And these little beefs were being carried out over there.

So what we provide is a history and an understanding of how San Francisco

developed their responses to that.

And hopefully those communities can start addressing it and hopefully

they'll get in touch with us so we can actually start helping them address it by

creating these networks of dialogues, of experiences with other communities outside

of California, outside the bay area.

But also the multicultural aspect that, that we have.

We're following a multicultural multi-generational movement that

still pretty much exists, but the organization itself, which started

as a movement no longer exists.

Yeah, I just wanna add that in particular we're partnering

with the Polynesian community.

And when we talk about responsibility to community.

I learned something at rap many years ago, 20 plus years ago, I

said, I'm not responsible for you.

I'm responsible to you.

And so in particular, we are partnering with the Pacific Islander resource hut.

And we've been asked to help train them in producing a podcast,

so they can tell their story.

It can come from their perspective so they can put their twist on it.

I see that as a responsibility for all of us that are here, the

four of us, if were asked how did you guys go about doing this?

How do we reflect that more?

I'm currently mentoring a young woman here, and we talk all the time.

She has her own podcast, and we're just talking about themes

and talking about, well, I wanna talk about young women's stuff.

And she says, I just want other people to know what we go through.

And so I see that a as a responsibility to when we're

asked that we humbly participate.

Sure, we should also be given our respect and resources, and honored for that work.

But I think that, like you said, Gerardo, the more that it gets out to the masses,

then the more individuals are represented, the more people hear about it.

And, and they can also say, well, look, man, these four people are doing this.

This people are doing that, but I wanna get the story out there.

Well, this conversation will continue.

We're so happy to have RAMA Blueprints podcast with us.

Socorro Gamboa, Darren J.

de Leon.

Gracias for your time today.

I wanna thank you, Barbara and Gerardo.

And thank HealthCare Untold podcasts for your work, for your suerso, for your

motivation and inspiration and continue to do the good work you're doing.

Gracias.

Gracias to all of you.

Thank you.

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