Ep. 190 FINAL

In love and in life. Her personalized guides have been purchased by customers in over 160 countries. She has spoken on stages across the world, and her work has been featured in Forbes , the Sunday Times, Vogue, allure, nylon, and more. I have followed Erin for so many years now. Human design has been something that I found absolutely life changing for me.

Myers-Briggs, Enneagram. Any number of different things and all of none of them have felt very authentic or practical to me. The other kind of shtick I have with personality tests, at least ones that are self-administered, meaning you're answering questions about yourself, is I don't think they distinguish between is this who I authentically am versus is this who I adapted to be because of my childhood and trauma and the dynamics I grew up in?

It has led to really significant changes in how I. Connect with friends and family, how I have structured my business. And that is a lot of what we talk about in today's episode with Erin. Something else I should say is that Erin has, first of all, her new book. How Do You Choose, is Launching Tomorrow. So Monday is the day this episode is releasing.

You guys might all be listening to this on Monday, but her book, her book goes live May 13th. How do You Choose? And it is making human design super, super practical for the average person. We talk about how most books on human design on the market are more geared towards training practitioners. They're not really geared for the average individual.

So many different things. And it's so funny because I purchased Erin's Human Design Blueprint years ago, and so it kind of feels like a manifestation come true. Having her on the podcast to talk about human design and her work so much more in depth. So definitely check the show notes below for links to the blueprint to her new book, and please enjoy this conversation with Erin Claire Jones.

So I find myself not talking about it that often. Mm-hmm. Unless I'm like really one-on-one with someone and I'm like, Ooh, I feel like human design is something that could help you through what you're telling me or struggling with right now. So I think this is gonna be really fun to get more nuanced and a deeper description to all of this.

So I think a great right place to start is just what is human design. Sometimes when I'm explaining it to others, I explain it as a type of personality test, but that, I feel goes much, much deeper than that. But is that even an accurate way to explain it? If not, how else would you explain it? I think it's totally an accurate way.

From relationships to career, to parenting, to marketing. It basically gives you your own kind of personalized roadmap to finding your own flow. And I will say, you know. For those skeptics out there, because I'm sure there'll be some, I hope there are some. You know, I think what matters most to me is not whether human design is true, but whether it's useful.

And so even if you're like, how could I know this much for my birth information? I still encourage you if you feel inspired to kind of really just see what you are and take a look and ask yourself like, does this feel useful? Does it resonate? Because I find that often kind of my most skeptical clients are the ones that fall in love with it the most because it is just so specific.

I like to pick and choose from all the different things. But with that said, human design to me is kind of the only personality test. If we're using that term, that I feel is the one I go back to the most and is the most practical and actionable in terms of how I can integrate this. Exactly, and I think, you know, that's why I fell in love with human design.

I will say that like I love all the systems, you know, like I think they're all amazing in their own way. But I think what really drew me to human design is how practical it was. And not only gave me this super juicy, very specific, hyper-personalized information all about me, but it gave me tools, tools to actually integrate it into my decision making, into how I showed up romantically with my community, with my family.

It's almost a personality test for your energy type. Um, in one of your other episodes you did in the description, it had said something like energetic, DNA. Yeah. And I loved that phrase, but for someone who's, okay, I'm hearing you, it's helpful, it's actionable, but how is this going to potentially create positive impact in my life?

How would you describe it of here's what human design is so helpful or great for. Well, I think exactly like you said, I think it returns us to a way of operating that is far more authentic and natural. You know, I can't tell you how often I've sat with clients who are building a business, so they work with some business coach who's been really successful and they try to emulate what that coach has done and it doesn't work for them.

Like what are your specific needs and relationships? How can you find and create the best opportunities? What are the challenges you're gonna run up against most often, and how do you overcome them? So I think the positive impact it can have in your life is basically anchoring you into a way of navigating relationships and career that will likely feel way better and also be far more successful.

Mm-hmm. And I think that's definitely been the case for me of just like, oh, this feels so much better and is so much more sustainable. And so again, it kind of extends to every part of your life, but that's what it will offer. Like how can you actually show up to each of these parts of your life specifically in a way that really feels good?

I'm just not working hard enough. I just, whatever. Then, you know, complete the sentence is, and for me, getting into human design, particularly with business and entrepreneurship especially, I found, gave me so much freedom and peace and permission and what, you know, I'm sure we'll get into the types a bit.

Totally. But my type isn't, isn't meant to sometimes work in long, long stints. I find that I work better in shorter stints and. I had a lot of stigma around, but I, eight hours a day, I should be working eight hours a day. How dare I not work eight hours a day? And yet what I found with human design is when you live within your energetic authenticity, you can be just as productive and impactful and effective, if not more.

I have, okay, good. I just wanna make sure I was like, well, this is what we'll talk about. Okay, good. A little bit is like how, this is what I'm a little bit excited to get into is how trauma and wounding kind of. Creates shields and barriers that prevents us from being able to live in authenticity and how human design can actually help us get back to that.

That's right. This is one of the things though that I wanted to point out that for me, because I'm, I'm in the holistic medicine world, I'm getting my PhD in depth psychology, which is all about the unconscious mind, and I tend, I work mainly with cancer patients, looking at are there emotional contributors to this illness, to this disease?

Yeah. And so I see that, you know, I see someone do something like a Myers-Briggs or an Enneagram and, and then I almost feel that it becomes very confining for them because they're like, well, this is just who I am. This is how I respond when there's conflict. And I try to give a little pushback to, you know, is that who you authentically are or is that who you adapted to be?

And when we actually do this deeper healing, consciously, unconsciously, could you be free to respond and live and show up in so many other different ways? And I feel like human design is actually the, the reverse, which is why I love it so much. It's, no, this actually is who I authentically am. And if I'm not living in that way, what are those deeper barriers or blocks or things that are keeping me from being able to live in this alignment?

And if I was to take all these amazing personality tests, I, I would've gotten something very different because I really kind of found all my value on like how much I could create and how much I could do, and my kind of ability to like just go, go, go. And yet my design is the opposite of that. And so I think it speaks to what you're saying is that it kind of speaks to this like.

What's underneath it all? Like what is your natural wiring outside of all the condition we've experienced? And to me that was like such a relief to hear because I don't believe I would've self-identified that way. And until somebody called that out, I was like, oh my God. Like, thank God I really gotta be that.

And yet. I find it really hard to be able to embody that sometimes because I think of some of the early childhood trauma and the things I'm trying to work through, but it helps it in a lot of ways. It is a north star of this is how I'm meant to operate. So if I'm not able to embody that, what's going on?

What needs to shift? For me, it's often what's unconsciously imprinted that might need to be tended to. And address a little bit. I don't, I don't know if you find this helpful for people to understand, but maybe some of the history to human design. And if you don't find that helpful, we can just totally skip that.

He was living in Ibiza and walked home one night and heard a voice, and the voice said, it's time to work. And so for basically eight days and eight nights, he had this crazy mystical experience where he received. All this information that he then kind of called or was received as the human design system.

And then he spent the next 20 years building it out. Um, and, you know, he's no longer alive, but it was really amazing because it developed a very kind of devoted following, but it was also like very small. Like people really did not know about it in the mainstream. Um, and he really kind of brought this system to life.

Mm-hmm. Um, I will say that it draws from so many ancient systems, even though it's very new, you know, it pulls from astrology, from the ai ching, from Kabbalah, from the chakra system. So it kind of pulls from these systems that are like so ancient and so powerful in a way that's very. New and different.

And I think, you know, the idea is that it really does quite literally offer us a blueprint into our energy system, like you were saying, in a way that helps us know, like, what are your mechanics? Like, how can you actually move through the W way, move through the world? And I think, you know, the way that I've kind of come to understand human design is that it's really just our operating manual.

How does that all come together? I think that's probably a part of my design too, is blend. Yeah. Your manifesting generator, you're like, bring it all together. Yeah. Bring it all together completely. But I also think it's worth saying really quickly that. You know, when we really pause to think about some of these modern day personality tests, what is it?

So I, I like the nuance of human design. Totally. Completely. Yeah. So I had, you know, again, I was listening to some of your other episodes you've done for, to help me get a sense of where do I wanna go with this. What's the best place to start? I think I'll kind of see what you feel about this, but you're, you're, you speak on this so much, so you can guide us.

A part of me was like, maybe we start with going through some of the core things on a chart Yeah. Of here's some of the core things, here's examples of each. Yeah. So people can start to get a sense of what's in the chart, the type of information they can get out of that. Um, if that feels like a, a good place to start, I love it.

Okay. Yeah, yeah, it is. It is so funny because human design is so specific and so sometimes it can actually be a little bit hard to speak about it in more general terms because it is so specific and the information is so personalized. So yes, let's kind of talk about the key parts of the chart, and I'll use your chart as an example.

I would try a few different times within the range, you know, to see what remains consistent. Your type actually likely will. There are five types, like maybe I said that already, manifesting generators, generators, projectors, reflectors, and manifestors. Um, I'll kind of speak maybe briefly about each, just to give people a taste and then we can go into yours.

Does that sound good? I love it. Yeah. Okay, so I'm gonna start with you because you are a manifesting generator. So manifesting generators are multi-passionate doers. These are people that have so much energy to kind of build, create, and bring things to life when they feel genuine excitement and satisfaction around what they're building.

You are somebody who's meant to try things on and let them go and try new things on, and people might interpret that as flaky or non-committal yet, like that's just part of your nature. Like you're just meant to try a lot of different things and experience that level of variety. Mm-hmm. You are also somebody who can make things happen incredibly fast.

Faster than most. Like as soon as your gut response is there, you're like, I'm off to the races. Mm-hmm. I will say that can be a challenge for you if you expect anyone else to move at your speed. If you accept the fact, right, that everyone moves at their own pace and your gifted deficiency, you know, you can collaborate beautifully with other people.

So. How does that feel too? Does that feel Yeah. Resonant with your life experience? Completely. Yeah. And I think once we get, you know, once we get through them more, then we can start to speak more to that nuance of, in some way, in some, all of that resonates. And then in some ways I do feel like I hold myself back from fully stepping into that sometimes.

So, but yes, completely. Cool. So generators, the next type are very similar. Some people even group these together. They too have all this amazing energy and magnetism and vitality when they feel lit up by what they're doing because of their natural resourcefulness and capability. It's so important to have very strong boundaries.

It's the most generous choice you can make because it benefits everyone around you. I say this often, and I believe it so deeply, that nothing beats being around a lit up generator. Hmm. It's, it's just, again, it's better for everyone. I'm married to one. I know this well. I know this in my heart, and it's so important.

Um, I would say an ideal day for you as a generator is to wake up excited, energized, kind of use up your energy in ways that feel satisfying, whether it's what you're working on, who you're spending time with, how you're moving your body, and you drop in a bed delightfully spent, like you left it all on the field, and you kind of, kind of wake up with that energy again.

And I know for me, I used to feel so guilty about rest. I used to feel like rest too had to be productive. And I think a big lesson for me as a projector is allowing moments of my day where I am just so deliberately unproductive. You know? Where it's not about like listening to another podcast or taking another course, but it's like, what if I just do nothing?

And like I will say, this is. Still so hard for me, and yet it's so important for us as projectors, you know, and I would say one of your gifts as a projector is just the way you see the world. Like you're somebody who's so sensitive to others so attuned, it makes you such a natural leader, manager, guide, therapist, counselor.

Hmm. Then we've got manifesters. These are very kind of disruptive, innovative people. People that are really good at just like getting things started, like getting the ball rolling. Not necessarily good at like doing all the doing to keep the thing alive, but good at kick-starting a new idea. Their energy can very be very bursty, and what I mean by that is they might just be like so creative, so on fire for a period of a few hours, a few weeks, a few days, and then kinda need to pull back and take rest.

These are people that really thrive with freedom. They're not here to be told what to do, how to do it. They're here. To kind of set the terms of how they do things and when the final type is a reflector. This is the rarest type. These are people that, you know, when we talk about conditioning and sensitivity, they're kind of wide open.

They will have days where they feel like a manifesting generator like you, like a projector like me. And their job is to not get too, you know, not hold on too tightly to any one expression because they're here to express themselves in a multitude of ways over the course of their life, and honestly, over the course of their days.

Hmm. Yeah. Oh, I love that. I love that. So that's kinda a highlight around type. The next piece that I would look to is connected to type, but I'll talk just about yours so I don't overwhelm all the people listening. But the next piece is called strategy, and it speaks to how you're designed to best create opportunities for yourself.

And so for you as a manifesting generator, this will extend to generators as well, is that you're really meant to allow things to come to you. You have this very magnetic energy, especially when you're doing the things that really excite you and satisfy you, which means that things are just meant to show up in your world, and you're kind of meant to wait for that gut to kind of light up and just draw you towards a thing.

Or you might see somebody on Instagram that feels like an amazing client and your body lights up in response and so you reach out and so you're basically waiting for your body to kind of light up in response before you pursue a thing, because it's often not until a thing shows up in your world that you'll actually know it's for you or not.

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Or Here's the ideal person I'd love to have on. But even so specific as preparing for guest interviews, if I try to just sit down and go, where do I wanna go with this? It's not enough of a response thing for me. So what I have to do is I have to go listen to a podcast interview that they've done. And it's almost like I then am responding to this interview that I've heard that helps me come up with the whole flow of our conversation.

Yeah. Well it's so funny you say that. I was like, oh, she, the way she's doing this so perfectly, because you're just giving yourself things to respond to, hopefully. And that's, and that's such a good reminder that you know, this strategy is not meant to be passive. None of them are. So if nothing is coming and nothing is becoming clear, it's really about giving yourself things to respond to and just kind of seeing, okay, how does that feel?

Even in terms of, it's funny because in some ways I feel like my life is really charmed and that a lot of opportunities just come without me needing to grind, grind, grind to make them happen. But with that said, a huge part of that is I think within my own psyche, being really clear about what I'm looking for or being really clear about what I want to experiment with.

Mm-hmm. Totally. And again, it like, that's also part of being a manifesting generator. Like, oh, that felt right and now like my energy is moving in a different direction. Like now it's trying to let that go thing go and try something else. Mm-hmm. So, you know, that's exactly right. And one thing I'll say, actually, I'll, I'll say this for the next piece.

The next piece is called your authority. So we all have basically a different way of making decisions. I find this to be one of the most useful parts of our chart because every day we're all making decisions, you know, from, for you who to invite on the podcast, you know who to spend time with, what. To say yes to what to say no to.

It's like a in the moment clarity that doesn't need space or time to settle. Basically, as soon as something shows up in your world, you'll either get a full-bodied yes. Or like a hesitation or nothing. I would say if it's anything but a full-bodied yes. For you, it's a no or not yet. Mm-hmm. So it is as much a tool to help you know where to put your energy as it is a tool to help you know when to put it there.

Mm-hmm. So something might show up and you're like, no. And then a week later you're like, yes. But the gut does not come with a reason. It's just like a feeling of like, it feels right or it doesn't. And one thing I would say about the gut is that it responds very well to specific questions. And so if you're somebody who's having a hard time making a decision, it can be useful to have somebody around you ask you very specific questions.

And what I mean by that is not like, what do you wanna do next, but more like, do you wanna do this? Does the timing feel right to pursue it? You might find that when things are positioned to you in that very specific yes, no way, it kind of bypasses your mind and gets you straight into the gut feeling.

I imagine. And I'll just like do that in my mind, I'll imagine the thing until I get that really strong gut response. Yeah. And then I know that's the thing. Whether that's what I'm gonna eat for dinner or should I move my office in with this clinic? Or should I apply to this PhD program? And to your point, I think I do wanna talk about this more in kind of the nuance for other types or strategies.

I'm gonna, you know, fill out this application. This is the one for me. And my partner at the time was like, no one's gonna lease to you. You have no business. You have no business credit, you have no income coming into that business. There's no way you're gonna get a space. And I just somehow was like, it makes no sense, but I know this is right.

I know this is a space and I'm gonna go and meet this person. And then within a week I had the space. Um, so in a lot, I, I, I've seen that pattern play out for me enough where I just know to trust it. Like, yeah, logically this does not make sense on paper, this does not make sense, but my gut is so clear on this.

Yeah. And it can be hard to trust, you know? And so it can be nice to kind of play with the smaller decisions like where to eat dinner, where to spend your Saturday, and kind of then scale it up to the bigger ones as you build that trust in yourself. But it is really wild because your gut basically gives you that feeling of like, this is the right next step, but like it won't give you any more information beyond that.

There's no authority. That's like create a pro con list and like, and then see, you know, which list is longer. It's all around kind of tapping into a deeper knowing, like mm-hmm. For me, it's about sleeping on decisions. Like I'm not meant to kind of trust that instantaneous knowing that you have, it's about like seeing what feeling stays true over time.

Mm-hmm. Like, what do I love over days? You know, what is the feel like thread that stays true among many different conversations? For some people it's about kind of talking things out and seeing kind of how their voices change. Like is does it become more animated as they speak about a certain decision or is there has hesitation?

What I've heard you say in other conversations and what you're saying even right now, is actually that's not the case for some people. For some people you might get an immediate paying to something and you, you shouldn't trust that paying. You should sit with it. You should sleep on it. You should talk to 10 people about it, and then see what continues to resonate.

That's right. Yeah. Yeah. And like I will say, for me, I kind of took that advice of like, listen to your gut. And like, I honestly don't really have a gut instinct if somebody asks me like a specific yes, no question. I'm like, huh. Like, it just doesn't resonate with me in the way that it does with my husband or my with you.

And I cannot tell you the number of times that I've woken up the next day and been like. I don't wanna do that. Mm-hmm. Like I know that I was excited in the moment, but like, that doesn't feel true for me anymore. And so then it would just like, kind of lead to these awkward situations where I was like, I've gotta like back out, even though I said yes.

And then like I would just stick with it. So like for me, taking a beat before I say yes, like is the path for me it's, it's the path to just be like, is this really the right commitment? And it's the opposite for you. And you can start to kind of see how useful it is to not only understand your own way of making decisions, but your partners and your kids and your colleagues.

Because I can't tell you how often I've sat with clients. I tell one story in my book where I. There's a couple that's trying to decide whether or not they moved to the East coast and one of them had an authority just like you. They knew in the moment they were like, I wanna go to the East Coast. I wanna go to New York.

Oh wow. 30 days. To kind of talk through a decision and like, yeah, it's gonna feel confusing because it's gonna change day to day because he's gotta explore all the possibilities until one day it's just gonna make sense and land. And he was just like, oh my God. Thank you for saying that. Because it does always land.

Mm-hmm. Every single time. So like what she was interpreting as indecisiveness. Was just like his clarity seeking process. It's how he found his way to clarity, but because it was different than her, she didn't understand it. And so I think that like, it's just such a relief often for everyone in our lives to know how we best make decisions.

Whereas when I like take my time and say yes from a very clear, calm, settled place like. I trust the experience. I can immerse myself entirely. I allow it to become whatever it's meant to become. So we often know from the outset, and I think entering in the right way makes a tremendous difference. Mm-hmm.

And to that point of how it can be so practical, me understanding that I really can trust this sort of illogical gut knowing I have, the way that's shifted how I move through things is I'll have a knowing. And I don't go to very many people now to get input because I know that they're gonna say, well that's not logical.

Response to something, but I know that I can't give a firm commitment until I've slept on it. So that's how you've changed your patterning, which then allows you to Yeah. Just move through in so much more alignment. Yeah, and like again, to give another example of how somebody might, with another authority, like say somebody needs to talk things out.

So like for them a practice would be like a decision shows up in their world, shows up on their plate, and instead of responding immediately they say like, I'll give me a moment. And they'll kind of go ask a friend like, Hey, I need to talk things out. Like, I need you to listen. I'm looking for a sounding board.

I'm not looking for advice. And kind of creating the right scenario for them to kind of speak things out freely and see how it feels. Mm-hmm. So it also, I think, gives us all these amazing tools to know how to articulate our needs. You know, even for you, like you might have a partner be like, what do you want for dinner?

Yeah, and I think it's both, it's both sides of that where it's. When, when I'm faced with a decision, here's how I can go about that and respond in a way that's aligned. Here's how I can help facilitate more of that within my relationships and partnerships. But also on the flip side, if I am feeling really stuck and unclear, I don't have to stay in that stuckness very long because I know, you know, for example, for me, if I'm not having a really clear gut reaction to something, I know I have to go into my mind's eye and picture all the options until I have that really clear gut response.

Okay, I didn't know that, but I'm done it. Yeah. And like, so you're doing it, but like kind of getting that second confirmation of like, how does it feel like in my body to actually do it? Okay, yeah. That feels right. I'm gonna keep moving forward. So like, I, I do, I just wanna like kind of call that out because I think the magic of human design often is not about telling us anything new.

It's about giving us a language and a framework to understand an experience that we know so deeply and giving us permission to step into it. And so I think like that's been the experience of people. They're like, you're not telling me anything new, but like now I feel able, I feel allowed. I feel like I can just go about my life and show up in the way that actually feels right.

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And I'm like, I don't know. I think there's some types out there where it's, I, I actually will not be able to metabolize and have a conversation about this until I've slept on it. So I need to sleep on it to be able to come and have a productive conversation here. So, yeah, it's through no one's fault and not through any malice or poor intention, but just there's a lot of sort of general advice and templates of living life that work for many.

That's right. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And it just, again, it's just such a relief to be like, oh, that's why that hasn't been working. Mm-hmm. You know, like, this is a way of doing things that might feel better for me. Mm-hmm. Yes. So the profile we didn't talk about, but the profile is also a really cool piece. There are 12 different profiles, so maybe I'll just talk about yours to kind of give people an example.

So your four six profile, the profile in our design, it honestly speaks to so many parts of our lives. It speaks to how to best market ourselves. It speaks to our purpose and how to kind of walk in a aligned path in our career. It speaks to specific relationship needs and how we might meet a partner. So the four in your profile.

Mm-hmm. Um, you might find that it's far more natural to kind of date somebody who is a friend first, you know, rather than a complete stranger. It means that, you know, clients will likely come to you through the people that you know, through your friends, through former clients, instead of kind of just like.

The vast world of social media. Of course you can find people that way, but there's just something around kind of really nurturing your relationships and your community that just makes every part of your life so much better. Have you kind of noticed community being a source of opportunity in your life, especially within the last year?

And again, I think, I think what's worth noting here is, is that good general insight for everyone in the world. Totally. But what we're talking about here is, for me, when I go to make decisions, for example, I'm. Getting ready to launch this really special online membership for all my cancer patients and wanting to promote that bigger, the way that I can use that is I know where I'm gonna go first is my community.

Where's that high hierarchy of where I'm going first to pursue or promote or meet, et cetera. Yeah. And there are some people that work best with strangers, you know what I mean? Like their first place to go is like, I've gotta go like, you know, build a big social media community and like, I wanna just impact people that way.

Or I wanna like, you know, you never kind of know what the right path will be or. Well, human design helps us know what the right path is, but like, like you said, we can try lots of different strategies and I'll never tell you not to try them all, but there are some that just might feel like a little bit more natural.

And so she built her business entirely through referrals. And I can't tell you how often I hear that from those who have foreign, their profile like that is the most natural way to build. Mm-hmm. So it is a way to kind of look to your community first, even if it feels vulnerable, but trusting that's gonna be a path that probably is gonna be really successful for you.

The six in your profile is around kind of this path you're meant to walk in life. Have you explored this much? I actually dunno anything about this? No. Okay. Fun. Other than like reading through my blueprint, which I, yes. Got from you, but not like super specific. I really, yeah, I dunno that much at all. Okay, cool.

I love it. So again, if you're looking up your design and you see that you are 6 2, 6 3, 3 6 or four six, this will also be true for you. So I think what this six speaks to more generally is that you are somebody who's a very natural role model. Somebody who's got kind of this innate wisdom. You have a bit of an authority in the way that you speak.

As much as you love community and being around people, there is an equal part of you that also probably wants to just step back and like watch it all. I had a client once with this profile who was a four six, and she loved kind of bringing people together for a book club, but once they were all together, she'd like sit on the outside and be like, oh my God, God.

This was like the exact experience I had a year ago. Oh my God. I have more to share, but tell me about your experience. Oh, well, just the, I I, the idea of a book club lit me up so much and then I did it and I was like. Oh, now everyone wants me to lead it. And I'm like, I don't actually wanna lead it. I just, I want all of us to come together to chat and discuss, but I don't wanna be the, the, the sole guide in these conversations.

And like you said, there are elements of this that I think are in so many ways, true for all of us, and tends to be really intensely true for these people. Mm-hmm. So the first 30 years of your life is meant to be a time of trial and error. It's not really time to like figure everything out, but really time to just experiment as I think you've been sharing about, like, try things, throw things against the wall, see what works, see what doesn't.

30 to 50 is really a time to kind of settle a little bit. I don't mean settle in terms of lowering expectations. I mean just like things just kind of like are a little bit less messy, a little bit less rocky. Like you might find that you are more clear around what's worth the energy, what's worth experimenting on, what's not.

Um, I know for me, like I moved to the woods when I turned 30, it was very much like kind of getting out of the intensity of the city and my life did kind of take shape in a different kind of way. You might find that in this phase of 30 to 50 is when kind of people are coming to you more and more often for your wisdom.

And like you just kind of become this embodied source of wisdom where you become a role model, not because you're telling people what to do mm-hmm. But just because you're like living your own authenticity so fully that like you being yourself inspires others to be themselves too. Mm-hmm. And I will say that when I'm around people in this third phase, I too have a six in my profile, but I'm 30, almost 35.

So not at all in this phase. But when I'm around people in this phase, like there's just a gravity to their words. Like they just speak and everyone kind of just like listens. Yeah. Like it's such a cool energy to be around where I'm like, and I discovered human design when I was 25 and I was like, I wanna be a role model now.

They're just like, I'm getting rid of this and I'm getting rid, and I'm just like, wow, this is so fun to watch because you're kind of watching them like, prepare for this moment. So, I don't know. I've always loved this part of my design. Yeah. How does that feel to you? So true. And, and it's funny 'cause I went and printed out my, my, um, human design blueprint that I purchased from you like four years ago.

Yeah. And I was rereading that piece and that piece makes me so excited. Right. I know. Because I'm like, it just keeps, it just keeps getting better. Better. And if life is already feeling so aligned for me and it can get even better, like, holy shit, amazing. Totally alignment, peace, joy is infinite. Yeah. So there is always more of that we can welcome in, so.

So all four pieces we talked about and a lot more, and there are 400,000 versions of that blueprint, you know, so it's just like, it's just so crazy. Like it's just so specific. I think one other piece, and we don't have to dive into this, but I think. It's relevant to what you brought up earlier. There's a piece of our design called our open centers our, and they're kind of gonna be the, I actually would love to hear about this.

Yeah. They're kind of the pieces that you look at in your design that are the white shapes. And I find they're so useful because they basically speak to where we are the most susceptible to conditioning. Where are we the most susceptible to other people's energy? And there are areas that can be areas of tremendous wisdom, but also areas of tremendous challenge.

And there's this constant pursuit. I always kind of speak of this shadow element. It's just like searching, like I've gotta find my one purpose, my one partner, the right place to live. And it's a really hard. Pursuit because you're somebody who's just bigger than one job and bigger than one purpose and bigger than one place and bigger than one partner.

Like, you know, and like, not to say you can't find one partner that, but like that pursuit of like, I've gotta find the one can be a little bit stressful. Whereas the wisdom for you is like you're somebody who's here to express yourself in so many ways over the course of your life. So it's not about finding your one purpose, it's about really leaning so fully into what feels the most authentic to you right now and allowing that to continue to change instead of finding the one place you're gonna live forever.

Mm-hmm. Because being in the right space is gonna open the door to whatever's right for you next. Somehow. I have totally found that where like aesthetic location is so unbelievably important to me. And this is oftentimes where I'll make decisions that aren't super logical because I'll be like, I don't care this.

This is a little expensive for a place to live, but I know that living here is going to open me up and inspire me so much more that I'll be able to make the money. So this price doesn't even matter. That's right. Yeah. And just a lot of openness in, I, I just, I completely see that where there, I find that any rigidity, even in like structures of how relationships are supposed to be structured, I find, yeah, I'm, I'm so much more open into how a relationship can be structured.

Yeah. Um, you're somebody who's really empathetic and deeply sensitive to other people's emotions. This probably makes you really good at the work that you do because you're such an, you're just emotionally attuned. You're like, this is, I can feel a lot of what someone else is feeling. You're really good at giving language to it, to speaking to it.

But it also means that you can like, hold onto other people's emotions pretty deeply as your own. And sometimes the boundary between what's yours and what's not can be a little bit murky and a little bit. Who knows. And so a big lesson for you is one, having strong emotional boundaries. Just kind of having the recognition that not everything you feel is your own.

So one of the best things you can do is to just take a little bit of physical space as a way to just kind of release everything that's not yours and kind of come back to this like, very cool, calm place, which is very much meant to be your default. Mm-hmm. Like you are somebody who is meant to speak and lead from a place of calm and not heat, you know, not like intensity and touching touchiness in that way.

So kind of taking that space you need can help you kind of like settle and return to that neutrality in yourself. Yeah. Something I'll ask quickly and then I know we've gotta land this plane. There's so many other questions. I know. It's endless. We're like, we can talk forever. Yeah. Is is it common? I, I feel like.

I, is it common to have so many open centers? I feel like if I'm picturing my chart, there were a lot of open centers and something it made me think of is I did have an astrology session actually with a therapist who blends astrology with her work. Cool. And she was saying your chart, your chart is actually like, you have so many things in so many pieces, like you clearly came here to do a lot.

So having this many open centers is pretty rare. It makes, it means that like, even though you're not a reflector, that type, that's like really sensitive to their space, like you might really resonate with a reflector because like mm-hmm. You in many, like, you're the closest one can be in some ways to that.

Um, so you kind of have this really interesting dynamic where like you have as a manifesting generator, like that therapists spoke about, like, you've got so much capacity, like, so much capacity to make many things happen, make them happen very fast, very powerfully, very creatively. And that's paired with like an extraordinary amount of wisdom, you know, around the fact that you're somebody who's not meant to be incredibly fixed in the way that you navigate life.

Hmm. Yeah. I love that. I think a place to kind of go next is for anyone who's, it's piqued their interest, where is a good place for someone to start? Yeah. Where's a good place for someone to start with this? So, first, look up your design, human design blueprint.com if you want the guy that we've been talking about, which is basically think about like kind of a manual to you, um, that is there and you can use the discount code, Leigh Ann.

Um, and then I also have a book, which should be out by the time I think this episode comes out. And the book is really meant to be kind of a decision making tool using your design. So if you're at a moment of like, I don't know what to do here, I feel confused about this, you're meant to kind of just open up to the chapters and be like, this is what to do.

It's like, how can you actually use this system to transform your life? And it's full of so many stories and tips and examples that will kind of help you integrate it in really practical ways in your life. Yeah, tell us the name and then tell us the uh, launch date. The book is called How Do You Choose?

Um, you can get it human design blueprint.com/preorder-book. But also if you search, how do you choose Erin Claire Jones? You'll find it and the book comes out May 13th. That's so exciting. I think, tell me, tell me if this is right. I feel like there's not many human design resources made for the consumer.

But there's not yet a book that really is around how people can actually use human design to live their best life. And so this book was not written to kind of teach people human design. I have plenty of resources around that. Mm-hmm. But it's how do you actually use it? Like you're like looking for a job opening up and being like, how do I find a job?

What kind of job would be helpful for me? Like, how do I better articulate my needs to my partner? So this book is for that person, but I will say like, you know, I have an early copy that was sent to somebody who's taken every single one of my courses. She's a human design coach, and she's like, I'm learning so many new things because it's told through story in a way that nothing else is so yay.

That was really cool for me to see, like to see people that I. Yeah, it's gonna be like the best for people that are new to human design. It was written for them, but I'm seeing that it's actually equally impactful for those that are deep in it, because it's told through such a different lens than anything else.

I agree. I'm sorry. I mean I'm biased, but Yeah, totally. But, but that like you don't necessarily need to run out and find a human design practitioner and Correct. You know, have all that one-on-one insight. Although at some point I do think that could be immensely powerful. That's kind of where I feel like I'm at right now.

'cause I have some very specific questions and things I wanna navigate. But for someone just getting started, your blueprint is so thorough and helpful. And then I think it sounds like your book just expands on that even more with even more real life examples that help kind of put it into that. Imaginal context for them too, so, exactly.

But. The piece that I would share is that, you know, human design is not meant to be a restrictive thing. So, you know, as you engage with a system, if you feel inspired to, just remember that human design is not meant to tell you like what you can or cannot do, what job you can take, what partner you can have.

It just lets you know how you can do that thing best. Mm-hmm. Okay. So it's like every type can be an entrepreneur, but like, how can you do that in a way that works for you? Um, so I just kind of wanna remind people that as they're, you know, delving into this world that like, this is meant to be a tool that empowers you and not limits you.

Yeah. And it doesn't mean that I can't ever operate differently or respond differently or make decisions differently, but if I am doing this, the majority of my time, things are going, I'm gonna feel fulfilled, aligned, at peace, happy magnetic, et cetera, all the things. And then if something funky happens and I, I have to show up differently, that's okay.

I can navigate that. That's right. But yeah, for me it's more like if I can coordinate my life to flow this way the majority of the time. Yeah. That's where that alignment comes from. Beautiful. I love it. This was so amazing. Thank you so much, Erin, and I'm so congratulations. That is so exciting to be launching a book.