In this episode we discuss:

(00:00) 388

(00:41) Introduction

(03:43) Dying With Dignity

(04:52) The Voice

(05:39) The Greens

(22:09) David Van

(31:44) Nicole Werner

(37:37) Geoffrey Sachs on NYT

(40:20) AUKUS

(42:18) Right Wing Brains

(47:00) Reality Show Contestant

(49:03) Taiwan

(51:12) Mexico

(56:29) Trump

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Yes, episode 388.

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he is defending the Russians.

Yes.

And the Chinese and the greens and other people like that.

So, well, what are we gonna talk about tonight?

Actually added a few topics that I hadn't intended to deal with at the last minute.

So Scott has been busy hasn't had a chance to read much, but he's gonna

wing it and we'll see how we go.

So we're, we should briefly mention that the voice got through the Senate

in terms of the decision to hold.

We'll go for a refer referendum.

Yeah.

Yes.

So we'll talk briefly about that.

We've got the greens who have won concessions from labor, but not

enough, and have decided they're just gonna block the whole rock show.

So we'll talk about whether that's acceptable behavior on

their part, good strategy or not.

We'll get to that.

We've got Brittany Higgins fallout with David Van, and turns out he's

a bit of a grouper according to various females in the Parliament.

And a bit more about propaganda and western media.

I, I found some stuff because there wasn't a lot.

I was looking through my old notes.

I've got this sort of miscellaneous section and I dragged out a couple

of things that I'd had in there for just such a moment as this.

And one was about neuroscience, looking at left and right brain,

well left and right wingers, and the difference in their brains.

Apparently we are hardwired to some extent interesting.

And maybe we'll get onto the Mexican American war.

See how we go just for something different.

So, before we get onto long time ago, have they paid for the wool yet?

Well, happy to have the law keeping those Americans out.

It's probably what's, they're happy to have it.

Okay, before we get into other things, just briefly, I get emails from Dying

with Dignity and the latest email and a very interesting link to a new resource

documenting the first 100 days of voluntary assisted dying in Queensland.

And it features podcast interviews and articles of patients and families who've

accessed a voluntary assisted dying through Brisbane's Health Metro North.

And this is a site hosted by Q U T.

Anyway, the stories are very powerful.

I just read one of them and nearly teared up.

And definitely if you're interested in that topic there'll be a link in the show

notes and otherwise just go and Dying With Dignity website, wherever that is.

I'm sure there'll be a link there.

And really moving stories of what people are experiencing

as they access the service.

Recommend that for you?

I haven't listened to it yet.

I've got that on my list to listen to.

Mm-hmm.

You know, cuz I received the same email.

You do.

Yeah.

So, they're good.

They don't bombard you with stuff, but the stuff they send you is good.

So, yeah.

Okay.

The voice, yes, it's passed through the Senate, not unexpectedly.

So there will be a referendum and so yes, there will be an episode where it's a

deep dive into all of the pros and cons.

I've been keeping a list, checking it twice of all the parts I need to cover.

I'm getting more stuff from Paul, from Canberra.

He keeps sending me links and things that I have to read and

address as part of all this.

So it's, we'll eventually get round to it.

You're gonna have to get some John Farnam in for that episode.

Yes.

For the voice.

Mm-hmm.

So yes, that's on the agenda in the not too distant future.

That'll be a long episode.

See how that goes.

Alright.

First substantive one, the greens.

Have they gone too far because they've won concessions?

Basically we had this situation where labor had arranged to have

a fund and the earnings from that fund would be used towards housing.

And the green said not enough.

And so the labor party said, okay, well here's I think 2

billion for the first year.

And some sort of emergency funding.

And the green said Great.

And later said, okay, how about passing the bill?

And the green said, what about renters and a cap on, or a freeze on rent increases?

And the greens have said they're not gonna pass.

The bills that would provide that funding that we've just talked about, unless

labor passes laws regarding rent freezes.

Scott, it sounds a bit like where we were with, with cap sort of carbon cap and

trade and carbon pricing and, and Yeah.

But it just wasn't good enough for the, what do you think, Scott?

Well, I think inkling as to how you think about this.

The greens have made the perfect, the enemy of the good.

Now, I think what the, what the labor government has actually

proposed is good, but the greens want something better than good.

They want perfect.

So they have, they've made the enemy of the good, the perfect, so that is a.

That's how it boils down to a nutshell with me.

Do I actually, am I actually opposed to what the Greens actually want?

Well, I'm not exactly certain of that because I have been reading differing

opinions on the whole thing regarding rental freezers and that type of thing.

The greens have perfectly right.

The, there wasn't a problem, freezing rent and that sort of stuff when you had

the covid pandemic raping the country.

So I understand where they're coming from, but now that everything is returning

to normal, including interest rates and all that type of thing, I am not sure

that it's the right time to freeze rents and that type of thing, because I just

think that with interest rates going up, mortgage repayments are going up.

Interest being charged by the banks are going up and yet they're gonna hold a gun

to my head and say, well Scott, you can't have a rental increase on your property.

Probably makes it unattractive for people to buy.

Exactly.

Buy investment properties.

Exactly.

Is that a bad thing?

If people suddenly get scared off and go, Hmm can't make money, I'm gonna sell it.

Wouldn't that open up housing for people who don't see it as an investment?

Well, what, what that, what that will do is that will drive

down the price of housing.

Which if you don't own anything, that sounds like a great idea to someone

like me that has got property and someone like you that has got property.

If you were to watch that property value fall and that sort of stuff,

you're not going to feel as wealthy as you once did, which is going to

restrict the amount of money you can spend and that type of thing.

So that is a dangerous position for us to go into.

And I guess the greens are calculating that the.

The people sort of 40 years and younger.

Exactly.

Well, well the renters, I guess they're calculating the renters,

the people who haven't bought yet.

The renters who are their core voter, they're core demographic.

Yes.

And I agree, and I understand that's why they're going, that's why they're going

down this road and that type of thing is they're trying to, they're trying

to paint, me and other property owners is Monopoly man, Barrons and that sort

of stuff that are out there to try and make an absolute fortune out of it.

Yeah.

Which is kinda like the slumlord of regional Queensland that

sort of, I own one place up in Mackay that is currently rented.

I am currently renting down here in Rockhampton and I own a, I

own a place in, except you do not have to justify yourself to me.

You are a generous soul.

You don't have to justify yourself to me.

Yeah, I know.

It's one of those things like I actually, I do actually feel bad for people that

haven't been able to buy anything.

Yeah.

Because I bought my house at the right time.

I sold it at the absolute top of the market for an obscene amount of money.

Mm-hmm.

It's I don't understand.

I, I don't understand.

No, what am I trying to say?

You cannot repeat what I've done because I was very fortunate

when I bought and when I sold.

Mm-hmm.

Now that doesn't mean that everyone that's got my color hair and

that type of thing is going to be in exactly the same situation.

There are some people that made some absolute disastrous decisions

and that type of thing at the same time that I made what turned

out to be a very good decision.

So, you know, I suppose I was very lucky with that house.

Mm-hmm.

It's very difficult to wind these things back.

Oh, it is.

And do it.

Fairly.

And one of the things, you know, if you could actually engineer this, one of

the things I would like to see happen is that rental prices hit a plateau.

And, and that if they end up, if you end up with housing prices hitting a

plateau and they remain there for a number of years, that wouldn't be too bad.

Yeah.

That's what we need is basically, rather than things dropping.

Yeah.

Just have to be held at zero.

Held at zero, zero growth a long time.

Very minus very minor growth per year, you know?

Yes.

And over time investors will bail because they have better returns elsewhere.

Yet homeowners won't be crushed if you like, and can buy

and sell in the same market.

Cause if it's your own home, then.

If you're buying and selling at the same time, it's, you're okay.

And, and, and surely this is neutral to you, Scott.

Mm-hmm.

Because if there's a rental freeze or decrease as a renter,

you are gonna profit off that.

Even though your investment property, you, so you only own one property?

No, I own two rental properties.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, I was gonna say, if you own only own the one, then you are no worse off.

No, that's right.

Now, you know, it's, the place in Mackay is gonna become my house

again when I move back up there.

But it's just one of those things that, the moment it's rented out.

So that's the.

Main frontline thing I have on the whole rental market because that's

rented out through a real estate agent and that type of thing.

The other one is through the Defense Housing Association, which is the army is

my tenant, and the Army does everything.

So it's one of those things.

Now I don't, hang on.

Hang, hang on, hang on a second.

Mm-hmm.

You're not only the Queensland Regional Slum Board, you're a provider for

the military industrial complex, Scott, God, god sake, you knew that

I had rented the, you knew that I had bought a rental probably that

was gonna be rented by the dha.

I know.

Just having fun.

Just Yeah, I know.

You're just having fun.

But one of these days, Trevor, it's all gonna bite you in the ass.

Oh yeah.

Yeah.

Ah, let's let's get some, but I won't be a regional slum lord for very much

longer because you know, well, The longest I'm gonna be a regional slum,

Lord is until February of next year.

Yeah.

I didn't even coin that phrase.

That was your partner.

That was that.

I came up with that.

That was thing Brian came up with you in the regional, regional slum.

Lord, I think that's it's said as a term of endearment.

Yes, I know that.

Yeah.

Yes.

If I thought you were serious, I'd fly down there and beat the

chair here, but no, you're not.

So here's here's what friendly Jordy's had to say about it.

I'll play a little bit of this.

The greens are kicking up a stink.

That labor aren't just making one-off investments in housing.

Oh wait, sorry.

Labor are doing that as petty wag noted in the Senate.

The bill the Greens are blocking also includes 2 billion in financing support

for social and affordable rental homes.

350 million to build a further 10,000 affordable homes through the housing

accord, allowing the National Housing and infrastructure facility to invest in

social and affordable housing, opening up a potential 575 million in funding a 15%

increase in Commonwealth Rent assistance.

The largest increase in over 30 years.

The fund is a bit like a Sovereign Wealth fund.

10.

Billion dollars is invested.

Then the returns of the fund is spent on building social and affordable

housing is set to build 30,000 homes over the next five years.

For their first seven years in office, the coalition were building less

than 1,100 new dwellings a year.

Labor's new fund can build up to 6,000 new dwellings a year.

That is a massive increase.

The fund is pretty clever because it's designed to ingrain an ongoing

source of funding for social housing that sustains itself even when the

liberals are in office, as it's operating independently of the budget.

Meaning that if the fund passes, it's designed to become a sustained source of

housing funding that the liberals will have little or no incentive to destroy.

Look at the, that was something I hadn't recognized as a concept from the fund

was that it will work when, you know, labor leaves power and the libs are

in, there's this fund that's separate from government in a sense, generating

money, and of course the liberals could.

We'll find a way to staff not that money.

Yes.

They could take that fund and just roll it into some other sovereign

wealth fund defense, I guess.

Yeah.

Yes, they could.

But it is an argument for it that you've created a fund that in theory

provides money for something that you want even when you're in opposition.

Well, that was a sort of part of it that I hadn't thought about before,

so that was an interesting part of it.

So, let me just, let's get onto Max and what he has to say to

this is him in Parliament talking about the Greens position.

I've been a renter my entire adult life.

I know what it's like to cop an unfair rent increase.

I know what it's like to ask for basic repairs and get evicted as a result.

And I know what it's like to lose a home you thought you could live in for years.

But frankly, I've had it easy and there are millions of

renters out there right now.

One rent increase away from eviction or financial stress.

For the pensioner who knows that they are one rent increase

away from living on the streets.

For the family who know that as a result of those rent increases,

they'll have to pull their kid out of the local school because they can't

afford to live in the local area.

Those are the people whose lives are being destroyed right now because the

Labor Party is so committed to Enshrining unlimited rent increases in this country

where Australia is a wealthy country, Australia is a country that is meant

to pride itself on giving everyone the basics they need to live a good life.

And that is why the greens are fighting so hard.

It was the greens who stood up for months being accused by the

labor party of standing in the way.

And actually what we did was secure 2 billion in funding for social housing.

And now we are going to use that power to make sure those renters out there are

able to live in dignity and know that there are limits on rent increases, a

freeze on rent increases that allow them to go and live a good life authorized by

Jay McCall, Australian Greens Canberra.

So anyway, I guess the point is that, that the, the bill that's there

is about providing housing supply with the assumption and hope that

it will then lead to rent relief.

It's one of those things, if you've got people out of the private rental market

into government subsidized housing mm-hmm.

Then that's going to reduce the demand for private rentals,

which leads to a fall in rental.

Mm-hmm.

But I guess his argument is, well, that's a bill for home ownership.

We need one for renters that's direct.

And now, because that's gonna take a long time, I think that's a good

argument to percolate through the system, to buy, to build and to add to

the supply, and then to hope that, that then percolate through to a rent relief.

Yeah.

But what were the numbers?

There was 1100 a year that was being spent under by the Torries.

Yeah.

They're talking about possibly 5,000, five or 6,000 being spent

being built by the labor government.

Yeah.

Now that is five or six times the amount of that is five or six

times the amount of expenditure that happened under the Torries.

Mm-hmm.

Now that is an incredible increase in the in the in the ranks of affordable housing.

Mm-hmm.

Now, I don't think that they're actually talking about this.

I don't think they're actually building houses to sell to people

cheaply or anything like that.

They're building them to rent them out to people cheaply.

Mm.

Mm.

I think tactically the, like the greens are getting pounded

on Twitter, for example.

Yeah.

And they're just outweighed by the number of Labor party mps and

trade unionists and others who are just, just bagging the greens.

There's a lot of anti-green sentiment in there.

Probably the smart move politically would've been to say,

okay, we'll vote for the bill.

We tried renters, we really, really tried.

Next a election, you need to vote for us so we've got more power so

we can have a better crack at it.

And, and just sort of, I think that might have been politically

the smarter thing to do, but you know, who knows how it all pan out?

I mean, by sticking to their guns, they did get an extra 2 billion.

Which labor didn't want to do and they were forced to buy the greens sticking to

their guns, so you gotta hand it to 'em.

But yeah, if they canceled the submarines or even the phase three tax cuts, yes.

Yeah.

If, if they canceled, if they canceled the phase three, the stage three tax

cuts, then they would have a hell of a lot more money that they could actually

spend on social housing if they wanted to.

Mm-hmm.

So anyway, it's an interesting politics and how the greens

get their message out there.

In the face of a barrage of negative press from labor will be

interesting to see in the chat room.

What the question is, sorry.

Yes.

If we build 6,000 new houses a year mm-hmm.

What's to stop the LMP when they get into power?

Doing a Maggie on us and selling it all off.

Yes, that's right.

Well, that, that could happen.

There is no doubt about that.

And that's one of the reasons that that's one of the reasons why they've

actually tried to enshrine the voice to Parliament in the Constitution because

they know that they, they, they can't tear it down the way they did with atsic.

Mm-hmm.

So it's, that's also another reason, probably why they've set up this sovereign

wealth fund and all that type of thing because they, they realized that the

Tories would have their, would have their would try and be, we'd be trying

to sell it and that sort of stuff.

They'd want the money themselves.

So they've actually decided, well, we lock it up this way, then they can't touch it.

Mm-hmm.

In the chat room, we've still got Watley there, event Horizon, and Tanya and

John's in there as well in the chat room.

Say hello.

Even if you don't wanna make any comment, just so that we know you're

there and you're alive and kicking.

Right.

So yeah, that's the main thing to talk about with the Greens.

I think you've heard both sides of the argument.

I personally think the friendly Jordy's hit the nail on the head myself.

Mm-hmm.

You know, they, they certainly made it very clear as to what

was actually being planned.

And you know what though?

He didn't give any credit to the Greens for the extra 2 billion,

but they're, no, he didn't.

That's right.

And the Greens did, actually, did actually extract that from the local party.

Mm-hmm.

You know, I've got no doubt about that.

Mm-hmm.

So he didn't give all, all of both sides of the story?

I don't think so.

He sort of hit half a nail on the head.

Get sideways a little bit.

Fair enough?

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Right.

Brittany Higgins fallout during the week, so what we had was the

opposition has been hounding Katie, Katie Gallagher, about what she knew

and didn't know about Britney Higgins and what she said at a Senate estimates

committee and what that meant, and whether she misled the committee.

And so they're trying to make some sort of headway politically by attacking

Katie Gallagher and in parliament.

David Van got to his feet and started to add to the pylon, and Lydia

Thorpe couldn't take it anymore, rose to her feet, and accused accused.

David van of inappropriate sexual on harassment towards her harassment.

Yes.

And that was all just, you know, of course, through the airwaves.

And she subsequently the next day withdrew it on a technicality because

technically she shouldn't have done it that way in that format in the parliament.

But she said the substance of what she said was true, the liberal Peter Dutton.

And that was sort of a bit silent and not really willing to accept Lydia

Thorpe's version until pretty soon.

Amanda Stoker, former senator.

And now was she liberal or national?

Yeah, she was a liberal.

Oh, well she's from the L N P in Queensland.

I couldn't tell you.

Yes.

She was a liberal on national.

Yes.

Came out and said that she had been groped by him.

Mm.

And.

So that was it.

Then the effort by the liberals to try and make political mileage out of

this completely backfired, and they then said to Dutton, had to say to

David Van, you're outta the party.

And some people stupidly thought the guy would resign from Parliament,

but he's just gonna sit on the cross benches and collect his salary,

gonna go, he's gonna go anywhere.

He's gonna go to one notion, he'll just collect his salary and do whatever

he, well, apparently, apparently they've gotta sit him next to Lydia.

The haw actually in the Senate.

Surely not.

Well, apparently that's what they're going to do.

Surely not.

Yeah.

Anyway.

Really, this liberal L n p political party is just so full of shitty people.

As soon as they pop their head over the parapet and you take a

look at them, you go, oh my God.

Just

the caliber of people that they've got there.

Horrendous.

And you know the whole thing about the text messages, which

was what kicked this off?

Yes.

And what a surprise, she didn't wanna hand over her phone because she was

worried that it would be used against her.

Yes.

And what a surprise, the stuff that was given in confidentiality to the police has

been leaked and has been used against her.

Yes.

And essentially the text messages, there were some text

messages to Katie Gallagher.

Mm-hmm Katie Gallagher had said in a senate estimates, nobody on

our side knew anything about this.

And what she was referring to was this being Brittany Higgins about to drop a

bombshell on the whole bunch of them.

Not that they didn't know anything at all because she had received text messages.

So the context was we didn't know she was gonna drop this shit

bomb on you guys the way she did.

Not that we didn't know anything, but we just sat on it because that was up

to her to do that if she wanted to.

And that's what they're trying to beat up as inappropriate

behavior by the Labor Party.

We've got a liberal staffers allegedly harassing other liberal staffers

at liberal party events and somehow the liberals are trying to make

this the fault of the Labor party.

Mm-hmm.

They're insane.

They should have just pulled their heads in and hoped it would all blow

over to actually keep badgering on.

With that was just inviting.

The sort of thing that just happened to this, this David Van character.

They're stupid.

I don't think there's any doubt about that.

They are stupid.

It, it sounds like there needs to be an office of professional

responsibility or whatever.

Professional conduct.

Yeah.

That, that you can go to anonymously and lodge your complaints against another

member of parliament have it investigated.

Yes.

They just need a, they just need a brain transplant.

There's moral, their moral compass is so out of whack, these guys.

It's, it's just mind boggling how bad the liberal party representation is.

The sort of people that they've got there.

It's horrendous.

So, so, but it's all right.

They're all Christians.

Yes.

That's, well, no coincidence is it.

So I, anyway What we've got here is, let me just play a little bit of this

is David Spears, I think on insiders.

So the fucking abc, just where the smoke their fire, oh, labor.

Liberals are talking about Katie Gallagher.

Mud's been thrown.

Some, some of it must stick, you know, it looks like there's an issue

with what she's done without actually examining what's happened and, and

just refusing to repeat the bullshit that the liberals have come out with.

But they amplify it, pass it on, treat it with respect that it doesn't deserve.

So here's a little bit of David Spears.

Still defend the strategy of asking these questions.

They say, look, we've established that Katie Gallagher mislead Parliament.

We've established that labor wasn't necessarily pure hearted, entirely

in in the way it pursued the Morrison government over the Britney

Higgins allegations back then.

But look, along the way, yes, they've dragged up a lot of stuff, and, and

some liberals will privately agree this has not been necessarily a good idea.

It's, it's left them accused as well of looking like they're, they're

weaponizing an issue in particular, weaponizing the leaked text

messages of an alleged rape victim.

So, look, no one's come out of this a winner, that's for sure.

And you know, as Lydia Thorpe, it's just bullshit to say, no

one's come outta this winner.

Nothing that Katie Gallagher did was wrong.

It's just labor's fine in terms of their involvement in this whole fiasco.

And to somehow say, ah, they're all.

To somehow suggest that the opposition have proved their allegations.

Mm-hmm.

And that, that somehow they're all at fault in some way.

What a messy bunch.

All of them are pathetic.

Just, there we go.

That's the abc.

Well, I think the shovel had it right, didn't they?

What was there one there?

What did they say?

It's in your email.

Yeah.

Well, I don't have it to hand.

Oh, you did?

What did the shovel say?

Yes.

In a fiery interview this morning, opposition leader Peter Dutton says it's

incumbent on the Labor Party to explain why liberal party Senator David Vann

allegedly squeezed the bottom of his liberal party colleague Amanda Stoker,

at a liberal party social event in 2020.

That's right.

They haven't yet got round to blaming labor for David Vann's conduct, but.

It'll happen.

Absolutely will.

And when they do, David Spears will say, oh, you know, mud thrown on both sides.

They're all, both equally as terrible.

And you might say it's been been a bit of a bad week for the liberals,

but not a great week for labor either.

Like, just terrible coverage.

Terrible.

So, yeah, there we go.

That's that whole, sorry, saga.

And oh yeah, q and a.

So this is a tweet from q and a in the lead up to their latest episode.

The PM is facing questions about transparency and whether one of his

ministers misled Parliament as the liberal party says it's planning to

continue putting labor under pressure.

Anybody not really paying attention to this mm-hmm.

Would just think shit, labor's done some stuff and the liberals

are on top of them and Wow.

That's interesting.

I'll repeat that again.

On q and A, the PM is facing questions.

What about transparency and whether one of his ministers misled Parliament as

the liberal party says it's planning to continue putting labor under pressure?

What's your question?

My question is, when are the LMP gonna do something about the absolutely shitty

behavior of their employees in Parliament?

When are they gonna just cancel q and a and give us reruns of

faulty towers or something?

Something?

No, we could have the reruns of Q and A when Christopher Hitchens was on.

Yeah, we could do that.

Ah, now in Victoria, Bromwyn's not in the chat room, is she?

But I haven't seen her.

No.

So this came thanks to John, Simmons, who is in the chat room.

Thank you John for this this one.

So.

They've pre-selected a lady called Nicole Werner to be in the Victorian Senate.

This is for the Liberal party, and actually, no, it must be for

an electorate rather than for the Senate or for their upper house.

So this is Victorian liberal party who of course had been smashed

by dictator Dan in recent, recent times and not so recent times.

And guess what?

Nicole is a youth pastor from Planet Shakers Pentecostal Church.

Last time she ran in Box Hill, there was an eight 8.9% drop

in the liberal party vote.

So she's now pre-selected by the liberals to run in the seat of Warren Dite.

So, so the liberal party in Victoria.

I've now pre-selected a Pentecostal Happy clapper.

Happy clapper.

And now there's a thing called Channel six News run by this kid Leonardo Puglisi.

And he had on his website that Victorian liberals are worried the

party will lose that by-election despite holding the seat since 1988.

So it was a hotly contested pre-selection and a liberal source has told six

news that they and lots of other party members believe the party will lose.

Six News has been told there is a large amount of Pentecostals seen at today's

pre-selection voting in support of her leaving non Pentecostals gray faced.

I am not surprised.

In other religious news, did you hear about the Muslim Majority

Council in some town in the usa?

No.

It was celebrated as, you know, what, what a diverse city we are.

This is great.

We now have a Muslim Majority Council.

They ha they, they have banned the rainbow flag being flown on city hall because the

majority of their constituents want that.

And we do what the majority wants.

Yeah, of course.

Yes.

Yeah, no, I wasn't aware of that.

But just you probably are wondering what Nicole Werner is like.

I'll just give you a bit of a, a bit of a clip from her.

Suffering from a tyrant's socialist agenda that insists on teaching our kids

won't crack in our education system.

Not to mention living under Ator Dances Victoria over the past two years with

unwarranted nighttime curfews be con.

Yeah, I know.

That's enough.

So the minute I hear somebody complaining about woke woke, I immediately know

they're a reader of the Australian, like I'm not a fan of wokeness and

the unwarranted nighttime curfews.

Yes.

So she was complaining that she couldn't get out and spread covid

during the biggest pandemic we've had.

Well, she actually, later in that clip complains that she

wasn't allowed to worship.

Importantly, she, she could worship it.

It says in the Bible, go into your cupboard and pray.

It does.

She didn't read that bit, obviously.

Yeah.

So it's a, it's a community thing.

If you're not worshiping a community, then you're just not doing it.

Uh mm.

According to her.

So if you're not seen to be worshiping.

Yeah.

And I mean, dictated damn won an election.

Yes.

Just recently the people voted and said, yeah, we were fine with all that.

The voter fraud.

Come on.

That's right.

So there were people seen driving up with lots of ballot

papers and the mail-in vote.

Well, so if you're gonna run against him, my advice to anybody would be don't

run the argument about the lockdowns, cuz that's been voted on and done.

You've gotta argue about things that have happened since then.

And I'm sure there's enough stuff.

I mean, things to do with the railways and that, that spend a lot of money.

There's a lot of debt in Victoria.

You know, you could, you could have a good whinge with some.

Oh, some decent arguments about other stuff, but rehashing the lockdown

and complaining about your education system and its woke education agenda.

But you see, you've got no choice but to go to public schools with

their woke agenda because Dict Dan has slapped payroll tax on

the, on the Christian schools.

Yes.

Which is honestly a brilliant thing to do.

Yeah.

Well, but I mean, that's something that she could have argued

about as a, to her constituency.

Exactly.

And made some headway, but to just rehash that stuff.

So yeah, I'm not fan of the woke agenda, but it's not a, it's not a thing saying

that we have to concern ourselves with the way that the Australian would, or that

Jordan Peterson or Greg Sheridan and all the rest of them wanna talk about anyway.

That's Victorian politics once again, making Queensland look good.

Thank you, Victoria.

Right, I'm sure Bob Cat will come out one of these days and make some comments.

Yes, yes.

Almost forget the Pauline Hanson's a Queenslander, so, yeah.

Well, I can't ever forget that.

Please explain.

Yes.

She's an idiot.

Yeah.

Look, I was complaining last week about how one-sided Western media is in certain

narratives, and I found a clip from Jeffrey Sachs talking about that topic.

So I'll just play a little bit of this one where he's describing New York

Times and its reluctance to give any space to an alternative narrative.

Here we go.

The United States has a very hard time thinking through the eyes of anyone else.

And when I say us, I, I'm meaning literally a small

group of a few hundred people.

I'm not speaking about the American people.

They're not told anything about this.

And just as a footnote, I've tried to explain the role of NATO in this

to the New York Times, and they will not print anything on this.

They've written 26 editorials since February 24th, 2022,

that this is an unprovoked war.

I called them, I wrote to them, I said, I've advised all these leaders, these

countries, I've been through this for.

Three decades.

Can you give me 700 words?

The answer is no.

There's a complete unwillingness to have any discussion about this because if you

do, you're put on Ukraine's blacklist and you're put on America's no show list.

Hey, goes on to say, it doesn't matter.

It's not just Republicans or not just Democrats.

It's all the same.

And, and those people who don't believe that humans are causing climate

change, they're not invited anymore.

You know, they, they don't get a chance to print an editorial in the New York Times.

Yeah, well that's true.

But I guess you've got a preponderance of the scientific community saying 97% of us

say this is the situation and believe me.

Putin is well and truly getting his message out there.

Maybe not in the mainstream press, but I, I had to scroll through

fa not Facebook, YouTube today.

Yes.

And some of the stuff I was seeing on there.

Yes, no doubt.

No doubt.

But you know, when people talk about propaganda in China or Russia or whatever,

you just have to recognize the same propaganda is happening in Western media.

It's just more cleverly disguised, if you like.

But there you go.

That was Jeffrey Sachs on New York Times, not wanting to

run a counter narrative Orus.

So an article from the Australian Financial Review talked briefly about

the Queensland branch, which we mentioned last week at its state conference.

There was a motion on orcus.

Now I thought at the time that they had put forward an or a motion condemning

orcus, but in fact what happened was that a motion was put forward praising orcus

and the delegates refused to pass it.

So that's how that worked.

And and then there's, Victoria is coming up with its own Labor Party

conference, and it looks like there will be a motion, more or less

condemning the orcus arrangement, expressing profound disappointment

over the government's decision.

So maybe Victoria will pass a motion.

Demanding genuine debate and consultation and calling to question the whole thing.

So, so yeah, that was Queensland and Victoria and there's a national

conference going to be later in the year.

The writer of this article is dubious about whether something would be passed at

that, which would be negative about Orcus because the factions would not allow it.

But anyway, Victoria and Queensland not happy with Orcus.

Right.

How are we going for time?

Eight 14.

It's probably gonna be short episode.

This one in the show notes for the patrons.

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So do that if you'd like.

But this was an article by a guy, John Willoughby, emeritus

Professor of Medicine, an honorary consultant neurologist at Flinders

University and Medical Center.

He wrote an article in the John MedU blog that was sitting in my

miscellaneous file for possibly years until I had the chance to get

to it and looking at brain activity.

And here's what they do with people.

So, put them in an MRI machine and people are scored on a left winging to right

wing scale using answers to questions like, do you support same sex marriage?

Do you support gun to control?

Are you religious, et cetera.

So the people are sort of categorized as left or right wing based on those answers.

Then the participants undertaken apparently mindless task in which

they have to respond to a visual signal, which is briefly displayed on

a monitor by pressing a timer button.

They're given these instructions.

Look at the monitor.

If you see an X appear on the screen here, the button, if you see a Y appear

on the screen, don't hit the button.

All the while their brain activity is being recorded.

In this test, X is very frequent.

So the usual response to a letter appearing is to hit the button.

When the very rare Y appears, the response is to withhold the usual

action of hitting the button.

So these tests are known as go, no go tests.

And so there are many studies demonstrating that people on the right

side of the political spectrum have stronger markers of emotional activation.

To unexpected change than people on the left.

So when they see the why and they're not supposed to hit the button,

stronger markers of emotional activation for right wingers.

So, so yeah, they get more emotional and there are other kinds of difference.

People with left wing attitudes have a larger anterior singulate

cortex, smaller right amygdala and smaller left insular findings that

correlate with levels of activity in the structures when they deal with

information counter to their experience.

The interpretation here is that people with left-wing attitudes

think more deeply or differently when information is unexpected.

In contrast to people with right-wing attitudes whose

responses are more emotional.

Jonathan Hay.

Wrote a book called The Righteous Mind.

Mm-hmm.

Which explores at a psychological rather than at a physical level mm-hmm.

The difference between right and left.

And they said, effectively they are disgusted by different things.

So Right wingers are disgusted by things that are against moral

norms, against societal norms.

Mm.

The left are more disgusted by adulterous of food of the planet.

Mm-hmm.

So, as his said, effectively they are both kneejerk reactions, but they're

kneejerk reactions to different things.

Mm-hmm.

And that's why we get the clumping.

But yes, it's very much an ingrained thing.

It's a, it's a hardwired thing.

Mm-hmm.

So this is same as a hard wiring for right wingers to have a more emotional

response to unexpected change.

Yes.

Very interesting.

As you're talking to your left and right-wing friends, and also

also oh, there's a psychologist Justin Lay Miller mm-hmm.

Who wrote a book about people's kinks, big cross population survey in America,

and said that the right wingers get turned on by the thought of inky behavior.

Yeah.

Cuckolding.

Right.

So because that's going against their social norms, right.

You know, you know, the, the marriage is sacrosanct and therefore to be

cuckolded is such a turn on right.

Whereas left wingers female empowerment is the, is the norm, right?

And therefore dom sub relationships are much more an interest in left wings.

There we go.

Sexual proclivities reveal sex.

Sexual proclivities is all about flipping the social norms is all

about taking those things that aren't allowed in your subgroup and

Right, and turning them on the head.

There we go.

So it's, yeah, interesting.

Think about that, dear listener.

Right.

Just an article about those cruel Chinese.

I don't think I've mentioned this story before.

I'm pretty sure I've heard it somewhere.

Yeah.

I'm worried.

I might have mentioned it.

But anyway, there was a Russian man trapped on a Chinese reality TV show.

He joined a boy band competition on Chinese TV on a whim, but regretted his

decision, basically wanted to leave.

And they said, well, you can't leave.

You'll pay a hefty fine.

It's gonna cost you a lot of money.

You've gotta hope to be voted out.

And so he would do terrible performances and plead with

the audience to vote him off.

The Chinese audience refused to they, they, as a sort of a Chardon Freud

sort of thing made him stay despite the fact that he wanted to leave and

became quite, quite the thing to get on and vote to keep this Russian on

the show, despite his wishes to leave.

And so he was propelled through three months of competition and 10 episodes

a fan base, which had taken to his grumpy Antice celebrity persona or were

perhaps driven by Chardon Freud urged each other to vote for him and let him.

9 96 and 9 96 is a reference in China's digital industry

culture of chronic overwork.

9:00 AM to 9:00 PM six days a week.

So let this Russian guy, let him.

9, 9, 6.

Others called him the most miserable wage slave and celebrated him as

an icon of sang culture, a Chinese millennial concept of having a

defeatist attitude towards life.

That's funny.

Somebody trying to get I can see other cultures doing that though.

Yeah.

Yeah, exactly.

Finally, two quick topics.

Really, China, well, US is worried about Taiwan because they think they're just

gonna do what the US did to Hawaii.

Really?

Are you guys aware of the sort of history of Hawaii and the US.

Yeah.

And position came to know about it after listening to a podcast

by American History Tellers.

Mm-hmm.

And they were talking about it.

Yes.

And yeah, they really Well, the, the Hawaiian, the Hawaiian Royal family was

really screwed over by the Americans.

Yes.

And they ended up losing their whole country to the Americans.

And the Americans, I think only made the mistake in 1950 something, didn't they?

Mm-hmm.

Well, they basically organized a co atar and Yeah.

And there was in 1990, so this happened back in 1893 which they eventually,

that was when things got underway, and they eventually acquired the island

as part of the United States in 1898.

In 1993, there was an apology resolution by the US Congress.

Conceding that the overthrow of the kingdom of Hawaii occurred with

the active participation of agents and citizens of the United States

and the Native Hawaiian people.

People never directly relinquished to the United States, their claims

to their inherent sovereignty as a people over their national lands.

So essentially in admission by the us yep, we engineered a coup.

Sorry.

And that was in 1993, it sounded like America.

Yes.

I wonder who was in charge in 93.

It would've been that that would've been w wouldn't it?

No, it would've been Clinton actually.

Clinton would've been maybe Clinton.

Yeah.

Yeah.

If Reagan was the eighties, Clinton would've been, yeah.

Clinton would've been in the nineties.

Doesn't sound like something Reagan or Bush would've done.

It have been Clinton.

Yeah.

So, so there we go.

Just bear that in mind and also just, I was the same time I had a little

thing there about the Mexican American war and essentially Texas had kind

of tried to the Texas te, what is now known as Texas, that rough territory

had tried to say that it had broken away from Mexico as an independent area.

Republican Texas wasn't it?

Remembered the Alamo.

Yeah.

The US couldn't accept Texas because of problems with the

voting blocks on slavery.

So it was sort of, the US hadn't acquired it.

They claimed to have seceded from Mexico.

The US then sent troops into Texas, more or less goading the amec, the

Mexicans, into a conflict and then.

Proceeded to go into all our war with the Mexicans, and if you looked dear

listener at your phone, the chapters should show a map of what was Mexico.

And you can see it was a huge area that was taken.

It was a very big country.

Yeah, it was a massive area that was taken.

And according to Wikipedia, in 1844, United States presidential

election, Democrat James K.

Polk was elected on a platform of expanding US

territory in Oregon and Texas.

Polk advocated expansion by either peaceful means or by armed force

with the 1845 annexation of Texas as furthering that goal for Mexico.

This was itself a provocation, but Polk went further sending

us Army troops to the area.

Sent a diplomatic mission to Mexico to try and negotiate a sale of the territory.

The US troops presence was a provocative and designed to lure Mexico into

starting the conflict, blah, blah, blah.

So, wasn't there something about the US refused to acknowledge

Mexico's independence from Spain?

I dunno about that.

Maybe, I dunno.

So where's the modern border run now?

Runs across the top of Texas, Baja, California.

Yes.

And then basically New Mexico is U us Yes.

And then, Half of, of Texas is yellow.

Yeah.

Well, no, there, there's, okay.

So Baja California is still part of Mexico.

Yes, yes.

Yeah.

Okay.

So the Alta California was taken over by the United States.

New Mexico was taken over by the US and Texas was taken over by the us.

The rest of it's still Mexico.

Yeah.

Yes.

Okay.

So, so Texas is actually, there's only half of Texas in there, cuz

Texas is bigger now, I think.

Right?

Yeah.

Anyway, that wasn't that long ago.

1845 US troops in the Philippines.

Mm.

Yes.

All that was the 1890s.

Yes.

So just wanna sort of put that out there in weeks and months to come.

When we talk about Taiwan and I, I get confused with Hawaii.

I'll just as a joke, maybe just bear that in mind.

That's some of the stuff in America's been doing.

Yeah, I think that the only thing that the Yanks can be accused of

pinching was those territories from Mexico and also Hawaii, you know,

because the Philippines, they did actually end up handing over to mm-hmm.

You know, the, they ended up I can't remember the exact history of it, but

there was a civil, where was a war and that sort of stuff that was fought

with Americans against the Filipinos.

But eventually, once that war was over, the Filipinos dropped their country back.

And then Guam?

Yes, sorry.

So Guam.

Okay.

Gotcha.

That's another one I didn't know about.

Yeah.

Very handy for military base.

Yeah.

And I'm wondering about the Caribbean.

What's Puerto Rico?

Cuz it's not even a state yet, is it?

Yes.

No, it's not a state.

It's right.

It American territory.

It's an American territory.

And then of course it's the US Virgin Islands.

Yes, in American Samoa Granada, apparently, but yes, but, but apart

from Mexico, Hawaii, Guam, yeah.

All right.

Yeah.

Okay.

Puerto Rico.

Yeah.

Okay.

And I've said I have, what have the American ever done since before?

Thes do not have, they are not completely bloodless in this thing.

You know, they have made some disastrous foreign policy decisions in the past.

And let's not even even start on Diego Garcia.

No, exactly.

You know what, what's Diego Garcia?

What's that?

British Indian Ocean Territory, which was a coconuts plantation.

And effectively the, the, the locals who were imports anyway

were left to look after themselves.

And then the British colonial Administration kicked them out so that

the US could build a military base there.

Is this the one between India?

Yes.

Is this in the Yes.

Yes.

It's the U us staging forward staging area for the Indian Ocean.

Yes.

Yes.

Yeah, right.

Last one.

Donald Trump we mentioned 37.

He is in a shitload of trouble.

Oh, God, yes.

He's, if he lives long enough, they've got it.

Yeah.

It, it's one of those things.

I haven't read the, I haven't read the indictment, but apparently

according to all the all the American podcasts, I'll listen to Jack's.

What's his surname?

Snow, is it No.

Mm.

Jack, whatever his name is.

The prosecutor and that sort of stuff that's been hired to actually.

Pull him down.

He has got it.

He has got it nailed down beautifully.

So they're saying that there is no rigg room at all for him.

That, you know, even it doesn't matter that you've got a judge

that's been appointed by him.

It's one of those things that he cannot walk away from this.

Mm.

I've got a little clip about what Donald Trump actually I'll plat now.

This when he was president in my administration, I'm going to

enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information.

No one will be above the law.

And that was something else that was also said about on the scathing

atheist I was listening to.

They said that They said that he's actually hung hanged himself because him

signing into law and that sort of stuff, what he did was allegedly to try and grab

Hillary Clinton for her ah, email service.

Very lawyers.

He wrote Yeah.

Email service.

And that's now just all blown up in his face because he could have got away with

it would've been, it would've been, he would've been charged as a misdemeanor,

but now it's actually a full-blown felony.

He's also apparently there's audio recording Oh yeah.

Of him talking to somebody about something else at the time.

But he said, oh yeah, I've got this document here I could show

you, but it's classified and he's waving it in front of them.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Don't look too close.

Yep.

Cause I'm not, I'm not allowed to show it to you, but quick just speak.

And I think that's exactly what he's saying.

I couldn't classify, I couldn't declassify it even if I wanted to.

So they've got him on tape saying he couldn't declassify it.

Cause he, he was no longer the president.

Exactly.

You know, he has really cocked up.

Terrible.

So sad.

Well, it's one of those things like, you know, they were, they

were, they were expecting 50,000 people and that sort of stuff.

Were gonna be at the front of the courthouse and that type of thing

to actually welcome him back.

But they barely had five or 10,000 people turning up there.

And apparently was it that many half of them were apparently half of

them were also arguing against him.

So they're just saying that he's, he's he's going to lose, you know,

if the Republicans do actually nominate him again, even though

he is up against Sleepy Joe.

And this time around, I think that they could actually put that nickname

on him because he is very old.

You know, he will lose.

So that is one of the things that the Republicans are going to have

to take a very hard, long look at themselves and that type of thing.

And they're gonna have to find someone better than what they've got.

Oh, DeSantis apparently.

DeSantis is just as big a dickhead, but he's actually younger.

Yes.

A apparently Joe Biden finished off a speech the other day

with God saved the Queen.

Oh, did he?

Yeah.

See that in itself, you know, we could always laugh about him having

dementia and everything like that, but you've gotta actually start to wonder

whether or not he has actually got it.

Yeah.

I mean, doesn't he know there's a key?

Exactly.

There's, there's photographs of his instructions allegedly, that

have been taken, you know, on his lecter or whatever that says.

Yeah.

Open the, the greeting.

Then you talk to this journalist, then you talk to this journalist,

they're going to ask you this.

Right.

And at the end, turn left, walk to the stage, basically left, exit

stage left and all this stuff, stuff.

And have you, have you seen the latest RT Deep fake of all the,

your European leaders in the American leader about Ukraine?

No.

Oh, oh, look, what is it?

Oh, basically it's deep fake that RT have made going oh yeah.

What are we going to do about Ukraine?

And they're, they're trying to think up new sanctions to enforce on Russia.

Mm-hmm.

Right.

And basically saying that none of the, the sanctions are biting and

therefore they don't what to do.

Mm-hmm.

But it was, it was more the, Hey, we've now got to the point where videos

are being produced of world leaders saying things that they never said.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I see.

Yep.

Yep.

Send me a link to that.

I'd be yeah, I'll see if I can find it.

See it.

Yeah.

Very good.

Okay.

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