We travel to December of 1987 for my FAVORITE Kurt Russell movie, where he joins his real-life partner in the comedy gold that is Overboard!

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Hello.

Hello, I'm Katie and welcome to Retro Made Your Pop Culture Rewind.

Let's take another trip down memory lane.

Today we travel back to December of 1987 to discuss my favorite Curt

Russell movie where he joins his real life partner in the comedy gold.

That is Overboard.

I'm excited to have Doug Greenberg joining me today.

And Doug is a fellow last of the Action Heroes podcast network

host, where he hosts Rocky Minute, as well as some flagship network,

Stallone Gems with Ryan and Craig.

Doug, thank you so much for joining me.

Thank you for having me, Katie.

This is an honor to be, uh, to be part of your, your little journey down memory

lane.

I love it.

Oh, thanks.

Well, tell us more about your shows and, and when, when we can expect some more.

Uh, Rocky Minute

That is the question, isn't it?

My main show is Rocky Minute.

I've been doing it for, I think we, we released season one in 2017,

so we've been at it for a while.

What, yeah, what we do is we go, me and my co-host, we're going through

the rocky minutes, um, analyzing one minute of movie time, each episode.

Um, a few major life, uh, events happened right around the pandemic in

2020 and, uh, it stalled production where, uh, I'm kind of dripping out,

, episodes of Rocky Three as we speak.

Um, they're not coming out as frequently as, as, the first couple of

seasons were, but they're coming out.

Anybody that's wondering, Rocky Minute is still a thing.

We're still going, and, um, you know, we're gonna, we're we're moving forward's.

All I could say,

That's good to hear.

Good to hear.

Um, as of the other ones, I, I, uh, like you said, I co-host, Sylvester SLO

Fan Podcast Network with Ryan and Craig.

And, um, we do, uh, Sylvester SLO movies and one-off episodes, and we're

kind of going through his home film,, whole filmography, uh, good And the Bad

little by

Yeah,

and also I appreciate that as well.

Also, I'm, um, with cco, uh, another last of the Action Heroes host.

Uh, we're doing the Arnold Podcast, where we're doing select Arnold movies.

right.

that's right.

I just haven't heard an episode lately, and so I had kind of forgotten about

that, but thank you for bringing that up.

yeah.

We're coming back, I think this fall with, um, with another block of

episodes.

Awesome.

Let's, maybe get into the retro frame of mind by opening the

time capsule from December, 1987.

I gotta say, I think that 1987 might be the best year of the

eighties for this type of nostalgia.

It's maybe the best eighties year.

Yeah.

You know, night, I'm, I'm a total eighties kid, I was born in 78,

so I, I lived, you know, most of my life through the eighties.

So this, I mean, when, when you do these episodes, it really like, hits home

for me because I, I love the nostalgia part of it because it's, I lived it,

you know, and yeah, 1987 stands out.

I was nine years old and it was just like, it was a monster of a year for

like, movies and, and just pop culture and

everything.

It was, and you know, as we'll get into the TV lineup.

The cartoons, like everything.

Yeah.

And the movies.

Every 87 was quite the year we did already cover.

So the Dirty Dancing episode, we covered a lot of stuff from

um, 1987, um, in that episode.

But I usually do these like what was happening in the

month of the movies release.

So this might be like slightly different.

The 87 to 88, season for primetime, the top shows.

I mean, just a stellar lineup.

The Cosby Show, A Different World.

Cheers.

Golden Girls Growing Pains.

Who's the Boss?

Night Court murder.

She wrote AF and The Wonder Years.

I mean, those are all awesome shows.

What were you watching?

Yeah, definitely.

I was big on

Alf.

oh, really?

Alf.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I, I loved the Wonder Years, um, Cosby show.

I, I watched a lot of, my dad was, he was big on Cheers, so I saw a lot of cheers,

kind of, um, like a secondhand, you know, just being in the room while it was on.

But I don't, I don't think, I think Cheers was a little grown up for me at the time.

I didn't appreciate it

Yeah,

but watching reruns now, I, I get it, you know?

Um, I know you're a big Golden Girls fan, right?

Oh my God, it's so good.

Did you watch it at all, or no?

Um, maybe, maybe here and there, but it wasn't, wasn't on my radar as much.

I can see that.

Who's the boss in growing pains?

Those were like two families that like kind of epitomize the eighties sitcom

for me, in addition to the Cosby Show.

But man,

yeah.

I, for forgot those totally.

Uh, Samantha Masselli was my first

crush.

Uh, Alyssa

Oh, I can see that.

I can see that.

yeah.

I really liked Tony Maselli or Tony Danza.

can, I can imagine.

a, even as a kid, I, I guess I really liked those Italian guys

Yeah.

some reason.

And the

Frank's

Stallone though, huh?

no, no, no, no, no, no.

Cando, speaking of Ryan, , who I do the Rocky show with, he has a Rambo podcast.

So Doug is referencing his Frank Stallone coverage on that show, which is hilarious.

Yeah.

Uh, you're about to say the theme

songs.

yes, the theme songs, the eighties, like they just don't make 'em like,

they don't do it like this anymore.

But eighties sitcom theme songs were, that's where it was at.

Yeah.

And, they're so famous and so like well-known that they've been spoofed

a hundred times, you know, but it's, I mean, they, they were every single,

I mean, cheers was legendary, but you know, you take like the growing pains

where, you know, the guy, the character throws a football to the other one and

then stands and looks at the camera with his arms crossed, you know what I mean?

It was like before the title, their, uh, name card comes up.

It's just goofy, goofy theme songs and, and like, uh, opening credits.

But I love It, Love every

I do too.

I mean, and it is kind of cheesy, but that's, I, I like it.

It was like a simpler time, obviously.

Maybe.

'cause we were kids, but it just seemed like the eighties were simpler.

We didn't have the internet yet.

Yeah,

You know?

definitely a simpler time.

Now I see what my kids are involved in nowadays, and I'm like, they're just,

they're growing up way too fast now.

They have access to too much.

Yeah.

That's hard.

Thankfully I don't have the human ones, . That's, that's gotta be hard.

But speaking of kids, so well, you were nine, so you probably still watched

cartoons around this time or not.

Were you more into

Yeah.

No, you know, and I, I know wrestling is a, is a, a sticking point on your

show too, but I, I mean, I, I was such a, a Fairweather wrestling fan.

Like I knew the guys, but I, I wasn't sitting in front of the TV every Saturday

morning watching wrestling matches.

I was more of a cartoon

kid.

Okay.

yeah, same, like I, same about wrestling, but the cartoons 87 Man

Care Bears, pound Puppies, the Real Ghostbusters, the Flintstone Kids,

Muppet Babies, peewees Playhouse, which, um, you know, r i p to, uh, Paul

Rubins, who recently passed Smurfs, Fraggle Rock, Alvin and the Chipmunks.

So those were some of the big shows.

Were you watching those or something else that you remember?

Yeah.

Well, I,

to late eighties.

as far as like the, the contemporary ones, I was watching some of those, not

so much Care Bears or Pound puppies, but, um, uh, definitely Frale Rock.

Um, where are some of the other ones

you just said?

Flintstone Kids.

Muppet Babies.

Peewee.

Smurfs?

Babies.

Peewee.

Yeah, for sure.

Smurfs, yes.

But, um, the bigger thing that I was into was like the Looney Tunes

Oh, like the after

from like, the, the thirties and forties.

Like those, like the old school

ones.

I watched

those on after

school?

Were tho, or when were those on,

They were on early in the morning on school days.

So I would wake up, I would wake up early, sit in front of TV

with my little bowl of cereal,

and I

I love it.

Tunes.

They were on early Saturday mornings, uh, after, no, after school was like

the, that, that was like the GI Joe and, and, uh, Thundercats and stuff.

That's when I, I remember watching those.

So the Looney was that also like, um, Tom and Jerry and uh,

a Roadrunner and stuff like that.

Y yeah.

Roadrunner, um, bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, Foghorn, Leghorn,

like all, all those characters.

Um, Tom and Jerry was, was a different studio, but they, they ran in

the same, you know, the same, um, channel and time blocks and stuff.

Okay.

What bowl of cereal were you sitting on?

The, were you sitting on the floor, like in front of the TV or on the couch?

Yeah,

Oh yeah.

No, it, it, it, there was like, across the living room from the TV was a couch.

I would sit on the floor back against the couch.

It was usually like Fruit Loops or Lucky Charms, you know, frosted Flakes.

Something, something loaded with Sugar

You know

my God.

I literally just bought Captain Crunch

Yeah.

Captain Crunch.

Heck yeah.

I'm so ridiculous.

It's so bad that I used to eat cereal, but I love it.

No, don't, don't feel bad.

'cause I mean, like you said, I got kids and if they see one bowl out

of the box of cereal, they're lucky.

Oh, really?

I kind of assumed that you wouldn't eat like sugar or cereal, aren't you?

Um, like a, a fitness and health guy.

I, I, I am, I am.

But, Well, actually I'm, I'm doing a lot of, uh, sympathy

eating now because my

Oh.

Oh, well that's good for you.

That's nice of you.

I

love

so I'm doing a lot of, I'm doing, uh, I'm doing a lot of

that, but also even, even when, when I'm trying to stay fit.

I'm 45 years old, so I'm not entering any bodybuilding competitions.

I kind of just live for like a healthy lifestyle, but I'm not gonna deny myself

life's joys, you know what I mean?

So we go out for ice cream every couple of weeks or once a month, and I'm not

gonna count my calories like that.

Stringently.

that's good to hear.

You're like a normal human being then.

Yeah.

yes.

Yeah.

I like that.

I try not, uh, probably not as much as I should, but I'm, yeah.

I'm eating some cereal and vegan ice

Yeah.

You can't deny yourself.

You know those little joys

in life.

I agree.

I agree.

It's like the few things that we have in our

It's moderation, right?

Just, yeah, just like everything in life, everything's okay in moderation.

Agreed.

Okay, so since we kind of covered 87 a little bit, I wanted to bring

something that we didn't talk about already in the dirty dancing episode,

which is the fashion from 1987 . The eighties fashion was, I mean, I wouldn't

say great, just memorable maybe.

So for women it was, so this was the late eighties, generally

speaking, not necessarily just 87 miniskirts worn with tights,

pantyhose leggings, or slouch socks.

Do you remember slouch socks?

, Doug: Sure do.

Oversized t-shirts and sweaters and stuff.

Worn over leggings or stirrup pants.

That was the worst.

Stirrup pants were terrible.

I don't know whoever came up with that, but that was bad.

Cropped jackets.

went under your, that went under your foot

and,

And then made it like tight, but they weren't like tight.

It was a bad look.

yeah.

Okay.

. I don't recall

those as

You don't, do you have

not those, not an older si.

I have a younger sister,

Oh, so she

she's more of a nineties kid than a eighties

Yeah.

Tapa and poof.

Dresses were big.

So I'm picturing like Madonna and Cindy Lauper

Mm-hmm.

esque, the Shoes and Accessories.

So Ted's shoes and Sperry shoes, brightly colored shoes with thin heels, narrow

multicolored belts, berets, lacy gloves, beaded necklaces, and plastic bracelets.

I can remember all of this.

What about the shoes with the different colored laces?

The fluorescent, uh, shoe

laces.

I like, I had a pair of like high top LA gear that

were like neon pink and green.

And then yeah, the shoe laces.

Did you have different colored shoe laces in your shoes too?

I, I, I didn't, I didn't, but I, I distinctly remember

that being a thing back then.

Yeah.

Yes.

Hair.

I, I was such a nerd.

wait

Well, we'll get to the men's stuff.

I can, yes.

I have questions because we're still with women's stuff.

Bangs with headbands or a ponytail and a scrunchie and side ponytails.

So I am at this time, what am I?

Um, five, six.

I'm six here.

I'm six.

So

side ponytails, I totally rocked a side ponytail.

Big time.

Okay.

According to my research for men, those parachute pants were big.

Like the mc hammer, parachute pants.

Do you know what I'm

Oh, okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Do you remember those?

Yeah, but nobody really wore those, those styles.

Did we?

The, the parachute pants that the guys wore back then were called Zaz

and

oh, you called it, pronounce it again.

Zba.

We called 'em zba, but yeah.

Yes,

zba.

Oh, yeah, yeah,

Yes.

yeah,

But they, they were very brightly colored.

Um, the most comfortable thing you could put on your body.

They felt like pajama pants that you were wearing outside.

how would you describe how those are?

I remember them being like, um, like animal print almost the ones I saw.

But were they not necessarily

No, they, they, I mean, I mean, think it back of, you know, the eighties,

just like a, a really cluttered, um, scene of, you know, shapes and, and

swirly and lightning bolts and stuff.

Or, or you could get like a sports team.

It had the New York Giants logo

Oh, yes.

up and down the pants, you know.

Just very obnoxious

Yeah.

Yeah.

Um, I don't know if you, you remember Joey Buttafuoco,

uh,

Yeah, I do.

into , into the

Limelight,

Yes.

And your girl, Alyssa Milano, was in that made for TV movie about them, right?

Oh, Amy Fisher.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Mm-hmm.

She played Amy Fisher.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think we're talking nineties though.

We better back it up a little

bit.

Okay.

Yeah.

Maybe, maybe.

Did you, so did you have zba

Yeah, I, I had like one pair that had Giants logos all over them,

but I mean, you know, my family didn't care to, to splurge on things just

because they were hot and fashion.

Trendy?

yeah, yeah.

yeah.

Yeah.

Uh, did you have a mullet?

Apparently mullets were, A thing in the late

Sad to say.

Sad to.

It wasn't like one of the really long in the back ones, but it was like,

actually it kind of resembles more like the mullet Center in style now that was

just like really bushy in the back, but everything else was short, you know?

So it wasn't like down past my shoulders or anything.

Yeah, I had like a mini mullet.

Okay.

What is your hair curly?

Or was it like curly or

Yeah, it would, it would get curly the longer it got.

The curlier it

Okay.

Oh my God, that's a look that I just, even the, I don't like it,

I don't like a mullet because like Patrick Swayze and Kurt Russell

rocked like mini mullets in the late

eighties, and I, I don't, not, I don't love it.

No, I never did.

I always thought it looked stupid.

So the other, so it was either, apparently for men, it was either a

mullet or like very neatly groomed, super short hair or like, um, like kind

of side swept bangs for boys and men.

Hmm.

And for both men and women, aquanet hairspray.

Do you remember the, did you ever use hairspray?

Maybe you didn't, but apparent, like, this is the, like Hairband era.

So like, Aquanet became like a huge thing apparently in the late eighties.

Yeah.

I I also, my mom, she, she was big on getting perms back in the day, so

she would go through cans that out.

I distinctly remember the giant can of Aquanet sitting on the kitchen counter.

The thing was as tall as me.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh my god.

not, not kitchen.

The bathroom counter.

The

Yeah.

Yeah.

I knew what you

yeah, yeah.

That, that's why we got all those damn holes in the

ozone is

Well,

that was a big

thing too.

They, whatever happened to the ozone layer?

We don't hear about that anymore.

I know.

I know.

Did you go to a public school?

Like was fashion a thing?

Like did you dress, did you try and like dress cool?

I tried.

I tried, and the, the closest I came, all right, my, my regular everyday

outfits, I don't know if you remember this brand, they sold it at like Kmart.

It was called Ocean Pacific

Op,

yeah.

I do.

Op, Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So my wardrobe consisted of a lot of op stuff, you know, I mean, you shirts

that had like a big fluorescent logo on the front shorts that were, you know,

just very busy with magenta stripes, you know, going through it and stuff.

Things like that.

Um, the, uh, the, the socks with the three stripes, the three stripes, socks

pulled all the way up to my knees.

Oh, I love those.

Yep.

Glasses with lenses as big as my

head.

Oh, are you blind or j

Not thick.

Just big li Yeah.

Yeah, like just big, like wide looking, uh, you know, um, just because

that's what we wore back in the eighties.

Um, but, but one day I was able to, I don't know if it was a Christmas

gift or, or whatever, but I was able to convince my parents to get

me a pair of Z Cava richi pants.

Do you remember those?

Yes.

And I that that was like the epitome of like, I don't know,

designer ness of the eighties, right.

Z calves

guests

I had one pair

Yeah.

were black and they had the, the, the thing that was famous about them

is they had the white Z Cava Richi logo that went down the, the front of the fly.

um, yeah.

And I rocked the shit outta my Z calves in, uh, eighth grade

I love that.

That's awesome.

God.

Designer jeans.

Yeah, I kind of forgot about that.

That's also in the nineties, but, ugh.

Okay.

Shall we move on to music?

The Top 10 Billboards?

We have George Michael, with Faith as the number one song I love.

I loved George Michael and his videos.

White Snakes.

Is This Love also Good Videos?

Actually, no.

Was that the one with Tawny Cat or was it a different white snake video?

Like

the one with Tony Cat contain was, here I

go again.

Oh yeah.

Oh, that's a

I know.

Um, yeah, that is, I mean, they still play it today on the radio.

what did you say was, what is love?

Or this Is

Is this love?

Is this love

is this?

Yeah, I was.

I'm not, I can't sing.

Um, so, but yeah, you can picture,

No, I, I can, yeah, I can hear it in my head.

I'm familiar with the song, just, I mean, obviously it's not their most

famous one.

Here I go

It's not, I really do like Whitesnake.

They're kind of, they never come like

top of mind when you're talking about hair bands or for me anyway.

But I, whites, snake's pretty good.

I like 'em.

Whitney Houston's so emotional is number three.

Debbie Gibson's Shake Your Love is number four.

I vividly remember Debbie Gibson being huge in the eighties.

Like Britney Spears of the time probably.

Well, she was one of the other ones.

You, you mentioned Madonna with the, the lace, um, tutu style dresses.

But Debbie Gibson was another one she wore, like the, the gloves, the

black, uh, mesh gloves on her hands.

That's true.

Her and Tiffany.

I somehow, I always like put those two together.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Five has got my mind set on you by George Harrison, and for some

reason, I don't know, did all of the Beatles go on to have like a solo career?

I don't.

never been a big Beatles follower, so I'm not super familiar.

Yeah.

Well obviously Paul McCartney is still to this day, rocking and rolling.

Um, he, after The Beatles, he went on and played with wings.

Oh, that's right.

and, uh, I think, well, John Lennon obviously had his little soul

thing before he, he died and then,

Mm-hmm.

um, George Harrison did his thing in the eighties.

I got my mind set on you as a monster.

I remember that song.

I remember that.

You don't remember

the video, do you?

The

No, I don't rem, I don't remember the video, but I can sing the song.

What was the video?

It, had, it had the video was, he was sitting in a room, um,

like on a, a recliner kind of chair.

And um, like there was, uh, all these mounted, um, animals on the walls

like, uh, taxidermied animals and they're singing all the shit in the

room is moving to the music and stuff.

It was pretty wild video.

Interesting,

Yeah.

huh?

Okay.

I think Ringo Star is the only one that really

didn't have

yeah, I was just thinking that.

Huh?

Okay.

Well, do you remember Jody Watley?

She had, don't you want me, I, I remember other songs, but

don't you want me as number six?

Okay.

And then Heaven is a Place On Earth by Belinda Carlisle.

I remember that also being really big, big song Catch Me.

I'm falling from the Hiding Out Pretty poison.

I am super not familiar.

That doesn't ring a bell at all.

Yeah, I'm, I'm trying

And then Steve Wynwood had the number nine song with Valerie and Sting

had number 10 with We'll Be Together.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Right.

So maybe, uh, it's a better year for movies than music.

Yeah.

Well also I will say that this is from when I do the Top Billboards,

it's from the specific week, so they change quite a bit.

So this was literally from the week of December 16th, 1987.

Were you a hair band guy?

What music were you listening to?

I know you were nine, but

Yeah, I was just trying to think when you were going through the, um,

the list and I, I don't think I really found my, my, uh, musical interest

until I was a little bit later on.

So at this point, I probably listened to most of what my parents listened to.

Okay.

And, um, uh, so I, you said George Harrison.

I remember that song being played like crazy because my dad loved it.

Um, and, and being that this is also the dirty dancing year, my mom

Oh,

outplayed that.

The, well, yeah, the, um, just the, specifically the Dirty Dancing soundtrack,

she must've wore that tape clear.

She played it so

much.

we talked about it in the Dirty Dancing episode, but like that soundtrack

I think is maybe the best soundtrack ever.

I, it's really good.

Did you like it or not?

I actually, I actually do, I, and I get nostalgic when I hear

hungry eyes or, you know, I had the time of my life or something

like that.

that's true.

Those are the contemporary ones.

But the vast majority of the songs on that soundtrack were like sixties, which

Yeah.

dig that era.

And yeah, well, my, my, my dad was famous for making, um,

mix tapes of all like fifties and sixties, um, mainly sixties music.

So I, I listened to a lot of that back then in the eighties

too,

Okay,

know?

So we have a few news and events from December before we get into

the movie, and some movie releases.

One is the US President, Ronald Reagan and the Soviet leader, Mikhail Gorbachev, sign

a treaty, eliminating medium range nuclear missiles, very specifically medium range.

So I'm not sure what that means, , like long and short

or still cool, just not medium,

Right

but, um, the eighties.

Mikhail Gorbachev, I remember hearing a lot about him.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, the, the big goof on him was he was a bald guy and he had this big

raspberry birthmark on his forehead, so that was like the big joke.

He had a jelly stain, you know, or wine stain or something.

Yep.

No internet.

But he was on the news a lot

Yeah, . Yeah, that's for sure.

uh, I don't recall this person, but Lynette, a k a squeaky from

serving a life sentence for attempted assassination of President Gerald Ford

escapes from Alderson Prison, and then she was recaptured two days later.

I was completely unfamiliar with this.

Apparently she was a Charles Manson de devotee.

Do you remember this at all?

uh, no.

The, the name, the name is somewhat familiar, but I don't

remember, um, president Ford, uh, like an attempted assassination

on him.

Me neither.

but yeah, especially in our lifetime,

you know, I mean, assassinations were big, like , you know, back in the sixties.

Right.

Yeah, I think Well,

didn't, uh, Reagan got, or somebody

He got

at Yeah, he got, yeah.

Okay.

and I think that was 1980, so, so I guess maybe before you

were born, but I was, I was a

youngin.

So maybe this happened.

So sh this Lynette, squeaky Fromm was in jail.

So whenever Pres, so whenever she tried to assassinate President Ford, must have

maybe been in the, I dunno, seventies or,

Whenever.

Yeah.

And then she, that, that was her escape.

It was in

87.

right.

Yeah.

In, uh, December of 87, she escaped a prison and then

she was recaptured, but yeah.

That's crazy town.

Yeah.

But being, you know, her being a Manson family member makes sense.

He got some people to do some crazy shit in

his name.

indeed.

Super crazy.

Yeah.

Uh, . So in December, so there was, as we talked about there being like a ton

of, movie releases in 87, specifically the month that Overboard was released,

there was also some big releases.

Three Men and a Baby was one.

Throw Mama From The Train, which I actually have not seen.

Are you familiar with that one?

Yeah.

Yeah.

It wasn't, not in 1987, but I've come to appreciate

it later

that Danny DeVito?

Who's in that?

yeah.

Danny DeVito, Billy Crystal

Okay.

and the, and the, uh, the, the Mama Elli from the Goonies.

Oh,

She's mama.

She's mama.

And

Oh,

from the train.

It's a really, really funny movie.

It, it's kinda like a dark comedy, you know what I mean?

It's, it's not that in your face humor, but it's

really funny.

I do dig Danny DeVito.

So yeah, I'll

have

is awesome.

He's

amazing.

He is.

Do you watch It's Always Sunny or did you in

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Not, um, I think I, I missed the last few seasons, but I was keeping up with it.

Yeah.

It would, I think the early seasons are better anyway.

Mm-hmm.

.That's a

what it, for all shows

Yeah.

Well, you sometimes it takes 'em like a season to catch their

footing, but then like the mid seasons or to mid seasons are good.

A ton of people love Eddie Murphy's Raw, and that's like known to be s

it's not my favorite of like standup, but that came out in December of 87.

Is that the one where he has the red leather outfit?

That's what I'm like picturing.

His two big ones are raw and delirious, and I always get them mixed up.

I wanna say he was wearing the red and raw.

Um, but I'm not a hundred percent positive on that.

But the thi the funny thing about, about standup specials, back in the

day, this was in movie theaters.

This was released in

theaters

I didn't

realize that.

Yeah.

You don't, you never, you don't never see status specials released in movies.

Now you, you know, they're on Amazon Prime or Netflix

Netflix

well, they must not have come out now.

It seems like there's a, a standup special every couple weeks.

And if it was like big enough to be produced and in movie theaters

that I'm, I'm picturing that they didn't happen all as often.

Um, but I, I could be wrong, but yeah, raw was huge apparently.

Raw was his second one.

Um, delirious was first, I think he was delirious, came out in 84 or 85

maybe.

Oh, okay.

yeah.

And then RAW came out and I, and yeah, RAW came out in 87.

He was only 26, I think when, when Del, when Raw came out, which would've

made him 22 when he released his first

special.

Dang.

It's just crazy.

Right.

That is crazy.

Wow.

Okay.

Also, December 87 was planes, trains and automobiles.

fantastic.

indeed, wall Street, fatal Attraction and the

re-release of Cinderella.

And I have that Disney puffy case.

V H S

Oh yeah.

Yeah.

I really liked Cinderella.

So those

I remember they, they would, they would release those Disney

movies, you know, for like a limited time, have everybody rush out to

get them, and then they would close the Disney vault, as they would say.

And you wouldn't see it again for years.

It's like Marketing 1 0 1 man.

Yeah,

Scarcity.

Yeah, yeah,

it works.

They, they knew what they were doing.

did.

Um, can I, can I bring up a news story that was really on my radar back in

1987?

Yes.

Uh, I don't know if you remember this, and I don't know why, uh,

it was on my radar at nine years old, but in, um, Texas, there was

a little girl, she was dubbed Baby

Jessica.

Oh

Do you remember this?

The girl in the Well.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You

remember this

Yes.

'cause they did a, like a whole, oh my God.

Like T made for TV movie about it.

It was like everywhere.

I don't, that must not have been in December, but I don't re So in 87, how

do you remember what years things were?

because I was, I, you know, after you asked me to come on, I did a

little research just as at the year as a whole, um, 1987, and this, this was

one of the first like big news stories.

Like, oh my God, I, like, I haven't thought about this in years, but

I was, at the time, this was like a, a two and a half day ordeal.

This girl was 18 month old girl, was stuck in a, well, not, not like a,

like a wishing well, it was like a, a, well, it was like 18 inches long,

uh, or wide.

Like a pipe almost

seemed

a pipe.

Yeah.

So she fell in, she was like 20 feet down and it took them two

and a half days to dig her out.

And if, you know, obvious, they pulled her out and she was alive.

But I, I, I was in, at nine years old, I was in on, on the, all

the news stories surrounding this

and it's,

Me too.

that, it's, crazy.

It happened to Texas.

even younger.

It, it must've been, I mean, there wasn't as much noise in like

the news stratosphere, I guess.

But,

but I remember that being huge.

And like I said, they made a made for TV movie.

I, and I, I think I've seen that like multiple times.

Yeah.

Jessica in the, well,

and there

how many, uh I was just wondering how many of the, the

listeners actually remember that too.

I please, yes, please let me know.

I have a feeling a lot of people, I don't know if there was another Wells

story, but I feel like I've seen in pop culture since like people referencing the

eighties, uh, sort of like poking fun at how many kids fell in wells like that.

That was like a big danger of kids.

Or maybe it was just this one story.

there was, there was a, a Simpsons episode where Bart was playing a prank

on the, the town where he, he put a radio down, like a walkie talkie down in

a well, and he was talking from like a distance away, like . As if he was a kid.

Stuck in a well,

Yeah.

but yeah, I mean it was like a thing on, on everybody's radar.

Like stay away from wells you might fall in.

Yeah,

it was like quicksand,

you know,

Oh my God, yes.

Quicksand is another thing that was like,

acid rain.

such a Yeah, .Yes.

Oh my god.

That and the aquanet with the, uh, ozone layer.

Yeah, yeah.

Yep.

razor blades in your Halloween

candy.

Yeah.

.Yeah.

see.

Yeah.

Oh my

of urban legend, doom and gloom stuff.

That's so true.

Oh my God.

Yeah.

Good call for bringing up the well story.

I love that.

Before we get into the nitty gritty of overboard, I wanted to

ask you a few questions about our ultimate everyman, Kurt Russell,

who's starring in this movie.

Do you have any thoughts or fandom that you wanted to share?

Just generally speaking about Kurt?

You know, I, I don't have a, a huge background with Kurt.

I know Ryan, Ryan loves him.

He's like Ryan's favorite actor outside of Sylvester Stallone.

But I've seen, I've seen a lot of his stuff.

I've seen this.

Um, and maybe not a lot of his stuff may, maybe, probably this.

And, um, tango and Cash were the, the things I've seen

mostly of his when I was a kid.

And I, I don't really think I, appreciated him as much as an actor

until like later on, you know, when I realized that that dude can, he can

act his way out of, out of anything.

He's great.

He's so charming.

Well,

He's got those piercing blue eyes,

He does.

He does.

And he's got like, the way his smile.

Yeah.

He's, he's a charmer.

But what about Patrick Swayze, who is our other ultimate Every man for season one?

Were you a fan of his or not?

Neither of these were like big on your radar as a kid.

I wouldn't say I, I didn't seek any of them out, but I

watched movies with them in it.

Same with Patrick Swayze, you know, dirty Dancing.

I told you my mom was a big Dirty Dancing fan, so I seen that movie a ton.

Um, ghost.

Ghost was the nineties, wasn't it?

Nineties.

Um,

it was yes.

Early nineties.

point break.

Sought out a ton as a kid, just 'cause I loved the movie.

Not specifically because of Swayze, but you know, I've seen their stuff.

Today, actually the day that we are recording this, so

we will be in the future by the time this comes out, but today is

actually Patrick Swayze's birthday.

Had he not passed away, he would have been 71 today.

Happy Birthday, Patrick.

Yes.

And Kurt is so, they are about the same age when I started this, I sort

of thought, so my next question is gonna be about if you think they

look similar or not, because I clearly do and I ask everyone that.

Um, but they're about the same age too.

Kurt's only a year older.

So do you think they look alike?

Doug

Um, I can see where you think that.

Okay.

I, I, and I get, I get why you, you made the season a a Kurt Russell.

Patrick Swayze one.

I get it.

I get it.

Um, and I see the similarities, but, you know, I, I wouldn't, I don't

think, um, as far as like behavior wise, like their, their mannerisms

or anything, is that similar?

You know, I think they're, they're completely their own

men, you know what I mean?

They, they share similarities.

Like I said, I get why you, you pin them up against one another this season.

Okay.

Okay,

you know, I, I, I'll say they, they can pass as, as, uh, brothers

Yeah, I very much think they should play brothers or they should,

like, that would've been awesome if we would've gotten them in, um, in

a movie together playing brothers.

But we didn't.

Okay.

I will last

Uh, I know.

Okay.

God, I, I'm, I'm gonna keep trying, I'm gonna keep trying.

The girls, the Golden Girls, girls agreed with me.

Yep.

Yep.

It's a growth thing.

Maybe you see something that we

as men don't.

I full on think that, that women just, when I'm out and about

with friends or my fam like sisters, they're like, yeah, totally.

Mm-hmm.

I think it, it is a women thing.

Yeah.

You'll have to ask your wife if she thinks they look alike or not.

Fair enough.

I'll report back.

Yes, please do.

So was overboard part of your childhood viewing experience or do

you remember first seeing it or any memories specifically about Overboard?

Well, let me start off by saying my childhood viewing really

didn't get too far past Star

Wars.

Oh, really?

occasional Rocky , Rocky

Oh my God.

Okay.

this time I was, I was, Rocky four was huge

in my rotation, but

Oh yeah.

Star Wars nerd.

So, um, but as far as like, yeah, I, no, I, I watched other stuff too, but,

um, overboard was one of those, um, you know, we didn't own it on video.

Um, you know, video cassette is for your, uh, younger listeners who don't know what

we're talking about.

the good old v h

but it was, yeah, yeah, exactly.

V C R, uh, but it was something that, you know, was, was on.

I remember being on like H B O or Showtime, one of those premium channels

a lot, and it was, you know, that was something that you turned on and

just like left on in the background.

So I've, I've seen it, maybe this, watching it for, this might've been

the first time I watched it all the way through, I've seen every part of it, just

in bits and pieces, you know what I mean?

That makes sense.

Without further ado, let's get into the movie.

It was released December 16th, 1987.

It was PG and I wanna make note of that because there are some

bits in this just like, I'm like, wow, that was really pushing the

envelope for pg, don't you think?

Yeah, some, some, well, I mean, PG then wasn't what

PG is now,

that's true.

know what I mean?

The PG 13 rating came into, popularity in like 84 with Temple of Doom and

the, and the gremlins, I wanna say.

And, but even then, like, I mean the, the stuff that you see in this

back then, I don't think warranted PG 13, that was more for like,

Swearing and stuff,

uh, yeah, like, like horror kind of.

Kind of elements like in Temple of Doom, like the, you know,

Indy rips the guy's heart out

Mm.

the bad guy rips the guy's heart.

Uh, the other guy's heart out of his chest, you know what I mean?

And gremlin's killing people and getting chopped up in blenders and stuff.

So I think it, it was more for like the visual, uh, aspect.

Like violence and stuff?

Yeah, I guess

like it's, there's adult themes and in my viewings of overboard

as a kid, I watched it a lot.

It's, like I said, it's my, this my favorite Kurt Russell movie, but I feel

like I mostly saw it on like an edited version, like edited for TV version.

So I did take note yesterday when I watched it.

It might be the, one of the only times that I saw the unedited version,

and there's a scene after they get together, like they're in bed together

and the kids come in, Kurt and Goldie are in bed together, and the kids

come in and the oldest child, Travis says something like, she doesn't have

much for tits, but she's got a great

Oh,

I never caught that before.

And I'm like, that's fucking weird.

I don't know.

It was

I know.

Yeah.

that, and like one of the little kids says like, oh, don't knock her up.

There's just some things that I'm like, oh, that's only peachy.

Huh.

Yeah.

Some, some adult themes.

Uh,

yeah.

and just generally

like

man

kidnapping a human being basically, you know, like

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We can't, you, you can't go and look at this movie through, uh, a lens of 2023.

You just

No, no, but I'm

It's, it's

horrible.

Oh, oh that.

Yeah, for sure.

I

actually have a note about that

later.

But yeah, so anyway, I don't know why I was like, wow, peachy.

Okay.

Um, it has a 6.9 out of 10 on I M D B.

I kind of thought it would've been higher.

I mean, that's pretty good,

but

I didn't think it, it got like very good from what I read,

like it, it was pretty much a flop,

wasn't it?

yeah, that's a good point.

Box.

Office-wise, I, it, I think it made its money back and then a little,

actually, yeah, it grossed 26.7 million on a 22 million budget.

So it like, just barely made its money back.

But I think, since then it's attained like cult status.

So like a lot of movies do, like later it's gotten a bigger following.

Uh, and they did remake it, which I never saw.

'cause I, I'm not a big fan of remakes.

Did you see the remake in 2015?

Um, I started to watch it and then I didn't make it 10 minutes in.

I said, this is just

trash.

really?

Okay.

I will not watch it.

Yeah.

No, it, it's the gender swap too, and Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm not a big fan of that gal.

That stars

Anna Ferris.

one.

Yeah.

She's not my favorite, so I don't think I recognized or knew

this in my earlier viewings of I overboard, but the director is Gary

Marshall, who's kind of a big deal.

Like his career in the sixties, he wrote for the Lucy Show, Dick Van Dyke,

and then he developed the odd couple.

Mm-hmm.

seventies, uh, gained fame for happy days, Laverne and Shirley, Mor and

Mindy, like all of those kind of shows.

And I don't think I realized that.

And then in addition for, being known for directing Overboard,

he also directed Beaches Pretty Woman, which I didn't realize.

Runaway Bride.

And then like those newer ensemble films like Valentine's Day and

New Year's Eve, like those.

So

He was still directing then.

'cause I know he died

like

I The last,

ago

yeah.

Oh, actually, well maybe he did Mother's Day in 2016 and I

think he probably passed shortly

Oh, okay.

Shortly after that.

Well, his, his daughter is Penny Marshall,

right?

His sister is Penny

Oh, sister.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All right.

And she's Laverne from Laverne and

Shirley.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh yeah.

Yeah, that's

she went on to have her own directing career.

Like she directed a league of their

own.

She's, yeah, she's kind of a big deal too.

Yeah.

Famous family.

She's done a lot of stuff.

Yeah.

So Gary Marshall, he, uh, was nominated because of all that TV work that he

did, like in the sixties and seventies and nominated for five Emmys as

Maybe that's why I, I thought he died earlier is because

I thought he was her father,

not brother.

Yeah.

They're siblings.

that makes Yeah, it makes more sense.

Mm-hmm.

the writer is Leslie Dixon, which I wasn't familiar with, but she also wrote Mrs.

Doubtfire, Loverboy and Freaky Friday.

And then we have, obviously, we have our Kurt Russell as Dean

Prophet Goldie Hawn as Joanna.

Edward Herman, who plays Grant Staton iii.

And you guys will recognize him from, uh, the 1982 Annie movie.

Did you ever see that, Doug?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I loved that movie.

He's f d r.

Oh, sorry.

Did I not?

Yeah,

Oh, that's right.

yeah,

yeah.

yeah.

he plays f d R in the Annie movie

from 1982.

Yeah,

Yes.

Good.

Very good

movie.

Um, I remember him more as the, uh, mom's boyfriend in The Lost Boys.

Oh, it's been a while since I've seen

was like, he was turned out to be the head Vampire.

Spoiler alert.

Oh, oh, I need to re-watch that.

It's been a long time.

Okay.

Good

call.

that, that might, yeah.

That, that's a good one.

That's,

Katherine Helmond plays Joanna's mother and you all will know her

as playing Mona on Who's the boss?

I really like her.

And then Mike Haggerty plays Billy Dean's friend.

Did you recognize him from anything?

The friend Billy,

uh,

were you a, did you

Uh, oh, yeah.

Yes.

Friends.

Friends.

He was the, uh, the, the super, the superintendent of the building.

He literally looks the same.

Like he,

Yeah.

he does.

age.

Yeah.

He looks the same, but Mr.

Treger,

I love, I love, the, uh, when, when, uh, Joey teaches him ballroom dancing.

That was the

he t yes.

Yeah, yeah,

trigger episode

I love it.

You wanna go with my friend Marsh?

She's about your same size.

good.

Uh, friends.

Uh, and then lastly, we have Roddy McDowell playing Andrew, kind of the, I

don't know, is he like the butler or you know, what role he is, but he was also

an executive producer on this movie.

When I saw his name Roddy McDowell pop up, I thought, I know the

difference, but I thought they were referencing Malcolm McDowell, who played

the main character in Clockwork Orange.

So when I was doing my research for the film, I was like, that, I,

I noticed that that was a common mistake that everybody made.

Roddy and Malcolm McDowell not, they're not even related.

no.

And aren't they both British?

So that probably

Yes,

it.

Yeah.

exactly.

Yeah.

So I, the whole movie I was looking for Malcolm McDowell, I was

like, where the hell is this guy?

Now Roddy, uh, the only thing I think of is . Rowdy Roddy Piper from

Mm-hmm.

rest, like W W F, I've never really heard that name otherwise.

I did note the music for this movie.

Like I, I loved the music in this movie.

And Alan Sylvestri is the person who did the music, and he's a two-time Academy

Award and Golden Globe award nominee.

I don't know if you're familiar with Alan Sylvester or not, but he's

Yes.

The Robert Zumeka,

he

yes.

He, he,

yeah,

yeah, he was a big, he was the Zam Meccas guy.

He did, uh, the Polar Express, um, Forrest Gump,

Yeah.

which, I mean, composing on that is, is incredible.

Yes, that's, yeah, another

great soundtrack.

He did the Back to the fu, so they did Back

I was gonna say?

Together too,

yeah, yeah.

yeah.

He did.

Mm-hmm.

And I think SCO and I talked about, um, romancing the Stone.

So I wanna say

either that, I don't know if it was both, but either Romancing

the Stone or Jewel of the Nile.

I don't know if it was both movies or just one of them.

They also teamed up

Uh, what year was that?

Eight

either like 84 and 86 or something like that.

Oh my God.

His, his I M D B goes back so far to so many.

He did.

Romancing the Stone.

Okay.

Yeah.

Oh man.

Back to the Future Flight of the Navigator.

Do you remember that Disney

well we had it taped.

We had it taped like from tv, so yeah, I do.

That was like,

yeah, it was like as

did Predator.

Oh,

Yeah.

I'm sorry.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Uh, flight Navigator was a Disney,

like the, with the

Sunday night movie.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like the Sunday night

that.

one.

Yes.

Yeah, yeah.

Predator.

Who framed Roger

Rabbit?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He did some monsters.

The abyss, all the back to the futures,

man.

Big credits.

All right.

Yeah.

Father of the bride.

God, we could go on and on.

Stop where my mom will

shoot.

Geez,

Oh, that's right.

Oh, well.

Isn't not like your favorite movie of all time, too.

Oh yeah.

It's just wonderful.

The

best.

Well, for listeners who have not seen Overboard in a minute or

two, we have Joanna Staton hires a country carpenter, Dean Prophet,

to build a closet on her yacht.

When they don't see eye to eye, he's left unpaid while she

sets sale the following day.

She's fished out of the sea after falling overboard, suffering from amnesia.

Dean sees a neat way, neat way to regain the money she owes him.

He tells her that she's his wife.

That way he gets a free housekeeper and mother for his four sons.

What did you think about overboard?

Oh man.

I, I love how, um, when she's.

You know, has amnesia in the hospital.

The only way they verify that he's her husband is by him identifying the

birthmark on her butt because he saw her wearing a thong, uh, bathing suit.

So he saw her birthmark

when

Zero burden of proof.

Yes.

Yeah.

Crazy, crazy.

No wedding license,

No, nothing just, well, she's like a total bitch too, so they're

like, yeah, that's good enough for me.

Yeah.

can kidnap

this woman.

Uh, but this was a theme I think in 87 because we also have over

the top another fantastic eighties movie in the same year where

Lincoln, Lincoln Hawk or Hawks,

um, in order to again, kidnap a child.

He like the, his burden of proof is a wedding photo to prove who

Yeah.

it.

I know I about a birth certificate or, or just

anything, anything other than a

wedding photo

wedding photo or knowledge of a birthmark?

This, this passes for proof.

Yep.

call.

I found myself chuckling quite a bit in this rewatch, like, I can't

even think of something specific.

There's lots of like little touches that made me laugh throughout the movie.

I don't know if you felt the same way.

Yeah.

You know, it, it was, it, it takes a lot to get me to actually

laugh out loud when I'm watching a movie, you know what I mean?

So, but like overall, you know, I, it's a funny movie.

Like there were funny, um, it was funny in the way that like, Mr.

Mom is funny to me, you know what I mean?

There's not like out loud haha moments, but

Just the, the situations, the scenarios and everything, like, yes, it is, it

is a funny and entertaining movie.

Okay.

I'll take it.

I don't know how, how else to really, you know,

describe it.

Yeah.

It, yeah, it's not like I see your point.

I just, there were just little things that I'm like, oh, good call.

That was smart of the writers or

Mm-hmm.

. Yeah.

Yeah.

like, um,

like the Joanna's trying to name the kids, like when she's introduced to

the boys and Dean is like, okay, you're first born, you've gotta know him.

And she's like, Roy and the kid's name is Travis.

And then they're, then later they're, I don't know, they did

something like, oh, who did this?

Who made this mess?

And they're like, it wasn't me dad.

It was Roy.

Little things like that.

I'm like, good little callbacks.

Things

Yes.

And that like, that's a great example of one.

Yeah,

Mm-hmm.

agree.

So we were talking about Alan Sylvester and the music.

I really, probably not when I was little, but rewatching it the other day.

I very much took note of the music and like how,

Effective using those musical cues in this movie where it was, especially that

opening scene where we're introduced to this world cutting back and forth

between the local Oregonians and the yacht and how they use like that.

Like hillbilly country banjo, fiddly music cut back and forth

with like the hoity music of

Yes.

Yeah,

was a great piece of music.

And yeah, right off the bat they hit you with that.

It was like a banjo, like a really fast playing banjo.

You said Kind of inner cut with a, like a classical, I don't

know how to describe it, but

yeah.

yeah.

Like the refined nature of the yacht.

Cut, cut with like, 'cause they keep like kind of making fun of Dean

and this, this area is like, oh, the mountain man or a country per,

you know, they kind of make fun of

They, um, they didn't say, he, he says a few times that he's new

to the area, so that's established, but they didn't say where he came

from.

Right.

they didn't.

though it looked like he lived on, in like a, like a dump part of town.

Mm-hmm.

So he, he was he a hillbilly?

I don't know why.

Like, I, I just thought he came from like the deep south or something.

I don't know either.

Unless he, I sort of maybe assumed it was just somewhere else, some

other town in, uh, in Oregon?

Yeah.

Oh, east coasters do say Oregon, don't they?

Do you, do you say Oregon?

I did.

Yeah.

I just, I just did it,

didn't I,

I find, like regional of speaking.

Interesting.

I listen to a podcast where the girls are from Boston and they also say Oregon.

Oh, yeah.

yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know which one is

as charged.

No, I don't know

I don't,

is right.

But

yeah, you're, you're probably right.

You're closer.

Yeah.

. Yeah, I am.

I was caught in this world.

I thought they did a really good job of like introducing us to this world quickly.

Like it was, it didn't take a long time.

And then we're introduced to Joanna and I had forgotten.

Wow.

I mean, we we're, we're shown what type of person she is right away.

Like she's super bitchy and snotty, but she is dressed rich person.

Lounge wear is, I mean, her hair was done up perfectly and her,

Mm-hmm.

you know, she was just so fancy.

But it was like yacht lounge wear

Yeah.

Even her slippers are high heels.

You know

Yes.

right?

It was like, oh, and then that I always, that Cruella Deville

esque, like long cigarette holder.

Oh, yeah,

yeah.

When I was a kid, I literally thought that was so cool.

I wanted one of those, you know, that's what I call class,

That's

a

rocky two

That's a status.

Yeah.

It's what I call class.

You the watch.

No, that's, that's definitely a status symbol.

The, the long cigarette holder

that prevents you from getting the, the yellow fingernails

from the nicotine on the

oh, is that what it does?

I think so,

even think of the reason why.

I just thought it was like a rich person thing to do.

That's okay.

That could be it too.

I, I,

yeah.

I

Well, it to you're, yeah.

Makes sense.

Yeah.

Um, and, uh, the Zach Morris style phone, we get

No, yeah.

the, I loved that.

Oh, I like a blast from the past like that.

It's funny that, that that style phone is always, um, connected to

Zach Morris.

It is, it's literally

don't know

what it's called.

No, I don't know what it's called

Zack Morris phone.

Yeah.

Zach Morris phone.

That, but, but you say Zack Morris phone.

Everybody knows immediately what

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's the best description.

But yeah, like she says, there's two quotes that I wrote down.

'cause I was like, holy wow.

Did people talk to people like this?

Like she says to Andrew or whoever is who brought her caviar, I

almost had to wait like that line.

And I doubt he's even housebroken when referring to Dean.

Like he can overhear them.

But like,

I was just like the audacity of like, wow, I, I had forgotten

what a snotty hoy bitch she was.

I, I would like to say that they overplayed her, her bitchiness and

her holiness, but I don't know, man.

I'm sure there are, even to this day, there are probably people that snotty

out there.

Yeah, that's true.

People are the worst,

You really are.

That's why you stick to

animals, right?

Yes.

Yeah, I, yeah.

Every, everyone who knows me, I am like not a fan of people generally

. What did you think of the price tag for this new closet remodel?

600 bucks.

I was thinking about like what it would, you know, I mean, home improvement is once

you own a home, you're never stop thinking about it and what it would cost to like

remodel a walk-in closet like that, and a $600, like a job like that now would be 10

grand