[0:01] Perhaps the most common conception of ghosts is that they are shadowy or invisible
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[0:06] Beings that throw dinner plates and pieces of furniture around rooms, occasionally materializing as some fearsome entities and sometimes levitating
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[0:14] people for good measure.
Tyler:
[0:16] As we shall see throughout this book, there is actually a very wide range of
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[0:20] phenomenon that are popularly and collectively called ghosts. The ghosts that throw things and are generally responsible for rather dramatic household disturbances are known as poltergeists german for noisy ghost many contemporary researchers argue that such invisible housebreakers are really not messy and rude ghosts but berserk bundles of uncontrolled psycho kinetic energy the direct action of mind on and over matter such
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[0:52] Investigators also attribute the violent disturbances that can manifest in a home or around certain individuals to the sexual changes and adjustments that accompany puberty the early stages of a marital union or feelings of inadequacy and frustration accentuated by some traumatic experience while there may be many instances in which the breakout of poltergeist phenomena might be associated with the dramatic changes that adolescence brings to a child's psyche many of the classic cases of noisy ghosts throwing objects and severely disrupting the normal flow of things occurred where no adolescent was present if the extrasensory ability of psychokinesis mind over matter can somehow cause an individual to become an unaware participant in haunting phenomena then we may have to expand our theory of the poltergeist to include those instances in which the human mind, under stress, fatigue,
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[1:52] Sleep deprivation, and so forth, may release uncontrolled, spontaneous energy that has the power to activate and interact with dormant spirit forces.
Tyler:
[2:06] Brad Steiger, Real Ghosts, Restless Spirits, and Haunted Places.
Sean:
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[2:46] And I was getting used to Britain again. And I set up an arts venue, a cafe-type place, which had music and art and things like that on the Sussex coast here in Britain,
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Tyler:
[3:38] That's very interesting so like first of all what took you to Turkey like you said you were a musician triveling around and everything but why Turkey?
Sean:
] In:
Sean:
[4:15] be turkey for a while and so yeah that's that's what led me out there.
Tyler:
[4:18] It's crazy yeah 10 to 10 year accident um no it's really cool i've been the uk a couple of times but i spent most of it you know where horsham is like on other side of crawley yeah yeah i have a bunch of friends that worked over there at a company called creative assembly a big big video game company and i would go you know i lived in uh like denmark so i would just you know hop on a plane go visit for the weekend or whatever somebody's birthday but i do love the uk it's very like I guess the culture shock compared to like going from the United States to like
Tyler:
[4:56] Northern Europe, it's like the happy medium.
Tyler:
[4:58] It's like, all right, this is close enough to home accessible. Everyone speaks English, like not so bad.
Sean:
[5:04] Yeah.
Tyler:
[5:06] But I've never been to Turkey. It's kind of crazy that I didn't make that trip at some point.
Tyler:
[5:11] What did you learn? What did you learn there? 10 whole years.
Sean:
[5:16] Yeah. Well, I accidentally learned Turkish, I suppose. I took my conversational degree. I wasn't, depending to your holiday but over the 10 years i was teaching english there in cultural studies ended up teaching doing some lectures at a university at istanbul university um in stammering and creativity which is my uh sort of became my speciality out there being a stammerer um but you know it comes and goes these days and um and i was in a couple of bands i was in the sean parker band when i was a really active solo artist and then a band called scorpio rising which was just after that like this big talking heads kind of arrangement and we became quite big on the independence scene and we were popular and doing good work you know so I tried to fill my time I was there really creatively not holiday and also a lot of thinking and stuff like that you know having a time out there and I got to observe a place in a real culturally a real schizophrenic situation of it's a secular country secular American-British rules about no religion in power,
Sean:
[6:24] religion is safe separate. It's 98% Muslim with a real hardcore passion for that. So they have a constant
Sean:
[6:31] tension in the army and the government.
Sean:
[6:33] And the president now, Erdogan, of 20-odd years, is a hardcore Islamist.
Sean:
[6:38] So he's trying to change things slowly and quietly and having grotesque of God knows what all the time. So it's a very interesting place to live in on that respect, too.
Tyler:
[6:47] Yeah, I would imagine. Like, it...
Tyler:
[6:52] It's so interesting how you can have a secular government and an entire group of people living in a place that completely don't have that perspective. I remember people talking about Soviet Russia. They're all atheists and all this kind of thing. But I've never met a Russian who wasn't superstitious or anything. They had kept whatever version of orthodoxy they could alive all the way through the Soviet Union. And then that was kind of like one of the major things that people don't people have their reasons for not liking him now and i totally get that but i mean vladimir putin was kind of big on like bringing the church back after the soviet union fell um and i know that was like a big reason why a lot of people favored him at the time that he was originally elected so pretty wild man um what kind of you said talking heads that kind of is like so like alternative rock indie stuff that was your yeah
Sean:
[7:51] Yeah I suppose so yeah I'm kind of steeped in kind of American alternative rock I suppose from the 80s and 90s but then I add in weird British elements like royalty music and things like that just from my own, mind but then finding yourself in an expat community and to it I think Istanbul you get to splodge in a violin and a mad bassist and interesting percussion and then you have your own sound. Copia Rising really did by the end have its own sound. Copia Rising had the violins. I don't know. It's difficult to reference your own stuff like that. That's a fair enough way of putting it.
Tyler:
[8:32] Yeah, that's really cool. I love that kind of stuff. I was just listening to Falco, the German new wave singer. Rock Me Amadeus and all that stuff like i really i really like the late 80s european alternative music that was kind of coming this way of course that was before i was even born but like when i listen to it now like okay i can see how this we like everything musical in the last 50 years happens where it's like okay america does something and then the uk does something really interesting and then the uk comes back to america you know like this is like rock and roll and then the beatles and then like heavy metal and then black sabbath and and all that stuff like then we get judas priest and we get diamond head and we get uh whatever and then we come back with something else and it's just this back and forth push but then you have like whatever's going on in germany also but it was a little bit more like kept away from the states i guess because of you know they weren't really a country yet for a while and yeah very interesting yeah
Sean:
[9:43] That's a really good observation i like that.
Tyler:
[9:45] What was your what was your instrument of choice
Sean:
[9:49] I started on drums in my brother's band and then I was like a 14 year old but I then picked up the guitar because I learned that it would be a very versatile way of expressing yourself and so yeah, guitar basically but I can play pretty much all of it you know guitar based drums and I've done it in different bands over the years, I played a few people playing either once so.
