In this episode of The Aspiring Psychologist Podcast, we explore the realities of clinical psychology training beyond getting onto the course. I’m joined by final-year trainee clinical psychologist Taniya Welmillage, and together we discuss placements, supervision, competency pressure, imposter syndrome, wellbeing, leadership, and how life continues alongside training. We explore constant moving, team cultures, long commutes, therapy for trainees, and how trainees decide what is non-negotiable for their mental health. This episode is ideal for aspiring psychologists, trainee clinical psychologists, and anyone wanting a realistic, compassionate insight into training.

Timestamps:

1. 00:00 – Why getting onto training isn’t the whole story
2. 01:25 – Constant change, placements, and adjustment fatigue
3. 03:16 – Being called “the trainee” vs being seen as a person
4. 04:39 – Team cultures, safety, and belonging
5. 06:14 – Buildings, resources, and how environments shape experience
6. 08:53 – Juggling competencies, learning, and performance pressure
7. 10:05 – Authenticity vs ticking boxes on placement
8. 11:46 – Relocation, commuting, and the hidden toll of training
9. 14:10 – Flexi working, boundaries, and protecting wellbeing
10. 15:52 – The importance of trainee friendships and support
11. 18:33 – Life milestones during training
12. 20:51 – Reducing the “shoulds” and living your life alongside training
13. 26:38 – Therapy for trainees: is it useful and accessible?
14. 31:07 – Absorbing what’s useful and becoming your own psychologist

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Everyone talks about getting onto training, but nobody talks about what happens next. The constant moving, the pressure to perform, supervisors who call you the trainee instead of your name. Buildings that don't work commutes, that break you teams that feel like family and those that really don't. This episode isn't the glossy version of psychology training, but it is the real one from a third year trainee clinical psychologist who is living it right now and from someone who's been through it as a qualified clinical psychologist. If you want to know what training is really like behind the scenes, then this is the conversation you want to be part of. Hope you find it useful, and if you do, like and subscribe for more. Hi, welcome along to the podcast. I'm Dr. Marianne Trent, a qualified clinical psychologist, and I'm joined by an end stage trainee clinical psychologist today, Taniya Wellmilligate.

Hi, Taniya.

Hi, Marianne. Thank you for having me.

And thank you for being so willing to talk with us. So we first connected on LinkedIn and you were talking about your experiences of starting a placement and it really brought back memories. And I think it's an interesting conversation that we've not yet had on the podcast. Could you talk us through what your experiences have been like, maybe this time around specifically starting placement, Taniya?

Yes. So as you mentioned, I'm a later in trainee, so I'm in my final year. So it's been two years already of chopping and changing and different commutes and different teams. It's been up and up and down, I would say. There's been definitely positive moments where I've learned a lot about what is important to me about keeping in my routine and things that I can control, but also can be a bit of a whirlwind changing things so much. And so that can take some time to adjust. And I guess the nature of placement is that it can be up to six months. And so by the time you've, I guess, gotten used to that routine, how things have been set up, you're kind of out the door again, you got to start almost again. And in some universities, Australia do that six times over three years.

So it's quite a lot to just drop and change. So I'd say on the whole, kind of a mixed bag of experiences when entering into training.

Yeah. And I did do six different placements across the three years and my experiences were different. Sometimes I was the only trainee. Sometimes I felt like there was so many trainees, there wasn't really room to stand out and I just kind of blended in. Sometimes I would come and I'd be invited to pull my own cases and think about what might meet my requirements for the course or what might help me work with different clients or different presentations, what might be a trainee appropriate case. Other times I was just given a stack of 12 files and been like, "Get on with this. " And then the first placement I went to, it's interesting, it's like review these, check you don't know any of these people because actually if people had been working locally, that cropped up and I was like, "I'm brand new to the area.

I don't think I know anyone." But even that ability to be seen and to be able to curate was really welcomed. Whereas just getting those files slung on your desk for the trainee and to sit in the trainees room, I very much often preferred to be called Marianne. Do you know what I mean? And to be seen as a person. What's your experience been like, Taniya?

Yeah, I'd say also mix. And there's so much to say. I think each question, even just the last two questions, you could spend half an hour just talking about that. But I think teams can be so different. How they approach things can be so different if they call you the trainee or if they call you by your name. I remember in my first placement, they kept calling me the assistant psychologist. And I think that irked me a little bit because I felt like I've gone into training now, so I feel like almost like I've worked so hard to get to this place. So I kind of want to be acknowledged as being in that position. Some teams are very boundaried, which I struggle with because I like being like, "So what did you do on the weekend? And how are your kids?" And so I like having those informal conversations because it feels safer in the team to then, if you're struggling that you can go to your team.

And there are the teams that feel like they're almost like mini families because I think when you're working so intimately and with people who are vulnerable and struggling, you do create those bonds with your team. And if you can rely on your team, and I found that in a lot of placements, you can do really, really good work because you feel safe enough. So yeah, I'd say quite varied in terms of how teams can kind of interact with trainees.

Yeah. And it is that team culture, isn't it? It's trying to work out where you go for lunch, whether you all eat together, what the deal is. I am always a person first, so I do really like the chance to connect a bit more informally over lunch. And I remember one of my placements, one of my supervisors or one of the team members had a litter of labradoodle puppies. And so a lot of the time was sort of spent looking at photos and videos of them. And that was really, really nice. That was like a non-psychology topic that we could all just spend some time just connecting and being ourselves and being human. And in that placement, I was very newly in love as well. So I think back very fondly to that time. I can hear my husband now in the kitchen. He's on annual leave this week and it's like, it's still the same guy that I was on placement three talking to my team about and who I'd met on, I think it was the second week of the second year of training.

And yeah, I just think back very fondly to that time and to what I learned from that team, just about their ways of being. And I think it's often, yes, teams are often so defined by the spaces they work in as well. So that was a not fit for purpose building that we were in, but you kind of made the most of the rickety stairs and the tiny little kitchen with the tap that did or didn't work. You know what I mean? And then whether you could or couldn't get in the door because it was open or locked that day and whether the lock works. And then my experience of being in other buildings where they were kind of modern buildings where there was space to come together and we're all just trying to make the best of the situation we find ourselves in. But sometimes I think the spaces, they do make a big difference, don't they?

Yeah, totally. That made me think of two placements I've had that are so contrastingly different in terms of the environment. And then also what the wider team thinks of psychology and the funding and things like that. So I was in quite a, I guess, well known renowned hospital, paediatric hospital and a lot of money, a lot of funding. And so a lot of what's nice, opportunities and spaces and the ability to kind of network and there's conferences and there's a lot of that going on, which is really lovely. And then compared to my current placement, which is also in another hospital, but in a systemic team where we're all in this box room, there's like six of us in this box room and we're sharing tables and sharing spaces and having to do a bit of musical chairs, trying to get in and out of the room.

So yeah, it is really amazing how services are teams and then how teams operate. And then it makes me think, well, how is systemic and family therapy seen in services? Is it valued? If it was valued more, would they be in a different space where people could walk around without playing musical chairs? So yeah, very, I guess, different across placements and funding and opportunities. And I guess as trainees, you're just trying to make the most of what's there if that's just trying to have with a systemics team that is, I guess, unaware or finds it difficult to support itself. I think in clinical psychology, we have a lot of backing sometimes about how we have service development and outcome measures, and that's a little bit more difficult in systemic. So I think I've been trying to take that role on in the current placement just to see what can I do as a trainee with my knowledge about clinical psychology and how can I input it there?

So I think we do try to make the best of the situations that we're in as trainees as well. Yeah.

Yeah. It is tricky though, isn't it? Because you are very much trying to make sure that the clients have a good service and that you are, I don't know, a useful part of the team and that you're also managing your own learning objectives because I certainly speak from my own experience here that I needed to be able to get a certain amount of clinical cases or days on placement, sessions even that I'd done, perhaps ticking off different methods of working with people. So either one-to-one or group work, systemic, working with wider systems. And so you're kind of trying to think, "Oh, how can I do this? How can I do that? " Whilst also being under the microscope of your supervisor, maybe even if there's a manager on placement, thinking about whether you might be compared to previous or past or current trainees, but also meeting the standards expected by your university and any placement supervisor.

And it can be a lot to juggle, can't it, Taniya?

Yes, totally. It can feel like a lot of pressure. Something that came to mind when you were speaking is this idea of wanting to be led and guided by your interests and to stay authentic as a kind of psychologist that you want to be in your clinical work, but also there's this big elephant in the room of, but you need to take off X, Y, Z competency. So you need to prioritise me first and then we can think about what you're interested in. So yeah, there's definitely been moments where I've had to say no to something and then pick up something else, which is more fitting to what I need to kind of tick off, which is unfortunate, but also part of the kind of expectation of training is that we are here to meet these competencies as well. And I think under the scrutiny of your supervisor, like you said, can be really hard because, yeah, I mean, we don't get to choose our supervisors.

We don't get to really choose our placements so much. They get randomly allocated to us based on what we need for our competencies. So we're working with people maybe sometimes we wouldn't have ordinarily worked with or would've preferred to work with. And so that means a lot of pressure and sometimes anxiety to get it right. I mean, supervisors, they do ultimately rate you and they pass you on your placement if they think that's appropriate. And so there does feel like there is ... Yeah, you are constantly kind of being tested and sometimes that can feel safe, like I was saying before, and it's okay to make mistakes and it's okay to kind of ask questions. Whereas maybe for some supervisors, it feels like it's quite critical. And I think that can be a little bit harmful sometimes.

Yeah, absolutely. And you make a really good point that you're not necessarily choosing these placements, you're not choosing the location. And for me, that's tricky. So I was at the Coventry and Warwickshire University courses and they had a very big patch that extended out even to Worcestershire and Herrefordshire. And then obviously to Birmingham, the edges of Birmingham, because obviously there's Birmingham course as well, Coventry kind of rural Warwickshire, it was big. And so potentially you could have been sent anywhere, but of course you're not necessarily moving house every placement. You probably are going to be staying within the same location. So I moved for the course, I moved to Coventry, and I don't think they saw my Post-it note that said, "I'm moving to Coventry," because they allocated me based closest to where I used to live, which was like 40 miles away. So they were trying to be helpful, but actually shot me in the foot.

But actually, yes, when it came to placement, so I moved for the course and then I moved at the start of my second year as well. So just before I met the guy that was my husband. And yeah, I was then using those, and then I moved again and I moved again. I bought a house, so I moved three times. And so you are then using those bases to get to your placements. But I think this is probably more of an issue in London as well, is that you might be then having very long commutes. You might be having to get up really early. You might be finishing late, you might be stuck on a tube. And if an MDT meeting runs over or if you've got to fill in a safeguarding referral before you finish, it knocks into your time that you can't necessarily get back.

So some teams allow you to do flexi working, some do not. And yeah, then how you have your life. So I know when we had a chat on the phone before we met and it's like, how do I make sure I fit in my yoga class? How do I make sure I'm seeing my friends, maybe my trainee friends, but maybe non-psychology friends as well. How do I do all of this? What's your experience been like in that area, Taniya?

Yeah. So in this placement, I think I've been brave enough to ask about flexile or just, sorry, not flexib leave, flexi working. Because I've identified that physical activity, doing yoga classes, going to the gym is important to me. I think that sets me up really well for the rest of my day and also makes me feel like I've carved out that time for myself, even if I don't get it in the evening, because like you said, safeguarding referrals, overrunning MDT meetings, I can't anticipate if that will happen or not, but it might. And so this is me kind of protecting time for myself and that kind of non-negotiable for me, but that is after two years of training. And so I think if I guess tradies feel like they need that time, I would definitely protect that. But I think along the way, I've found different things that work for me.

I have a niece who's 18 months old, and I think that being with her really rejuvenates me. And I think I found that to be really important. So even though they live about an hour and a half away, even though it takes an hour and a half to get to them, I'll still kind of make that time because I know that that helps me. That's soothing for me. Seeing friends as well, and you kind of mentioned maybe non-psychology friends. It's funny, I think I see psychology friends all the time. I think most friends now are psychology friends because they just get it. I don't know if you found that when you were training, but no one else quite gets it like your fellow trainee friends. It doesn't matter how much you describe it to maybe non-psychology friends, they just really get it without even you having to say anything.

They're like, "It's okay. I understand. We're in the thick of it now." So yeah, I'd say still carving out time to see them has been really lovely and family. And for me actually, I do enjoy travelling. So I think as much as possible with the annual leave that we have, I've tried to go on short city breaks. I think that kind of shift in perspective and shift in routine again, but in a way that feels more in control and just being by the sea or going on a hike, I think these are all kind of things that are meaningful to me. And I think you do get that from changing so much in placement. So if there is anything positive to gain from that, I think it is figuring out what you think is non-negotiable for your kind of own wellbeing.

Yeah, absolutely. There's a whole episode coming out. I think it will have come out just before this episode, probably in a couple episodes before this one, where we're looking at travel in psychology, both kind of before training and kind of after training as well and how that can kind of help people maybe it's not a choice between travel and psychology like that you could do both. So that might be one to check out if people find that an interesting idea. Yeah. I mean, I think the thing that I'm most thankful for, not most thankful, but very thankful for about being a psychologist is the people I've met along the way who are now my very dear friends. And yeah, surprising, some of them have been supervisors or have been on my team, some of them have been fellow trainees, but just people I've met along the way.

And being able to have those people at the end of our phone for support, but also, I don't know, compassion and validation is incredible. It's one of my favourite things about the career. And also, I have got non-psychology friends and they obviously think that you're amazing because all of your friends should think you're great, right? But there's nothing quite as validating as getting well done. When you announced that you were going to be a trainee, I think the validations from the people that actually know what that involves, because there's certain people in your life that always thought you would do it and that you'd get it and you'll just carry on trying and then you'll get it because you're really good, you're brilliant. And of course that's lovely. We all need people like that in our life, but actually the people that really have that informed idea of what this really is when they say, "Well done and you really deserve this.

" For me, that means a little bit more.

Yeah, definitely. And I think you do celebrate those wins with your trainees, I think, because we have to do assignments alongside placement and we've also got to, I guess, submit a really heavy thesis. So there are moments where I guess you are there for each other and you're kind of celebrating. And I mean, I hosted a get together of the weekend and half the room were pretty much all psychologists, but I really love that because I feel like we are all kind of connecting. And I know maybe when we finish, we'll all kind of go off into different trajectories, but we'll have really bonded through these last, I guess, three years. And going to people's weddings and people having babies, so people are going through their own life transitions during the course. And I think it's really nice to see that a friend went on mat leave and she posted in our trainee group chat, like her baby daughter, and everyone is celebrating and everyone's super happy and a lot of people have gotten married on the course and will be getting married once the course is finished.

So yeah, it's nice that we've created those bonds.

Yeah. Life happens whilst you're being a trainee and people will often say, "Oh, I want to get on before I'm 27 so that I qualify before I'm 30 and I want to think about getting qualified before I have children or I want to get married before the course." And I'd say, yeah, it does constrain your time because you have to have deadlines to submit your different academic work. You will need to think about how many days you have on placement, but it is entirely possible to get married, to move house, to buy a property, to have children on the course. You've got to live your life. You've got to put yourself first and know that this is a fixed term contract and it can be extended to be able to ... If you've been unwell or if you have extenuating circumstances or if you have maternity or paternity leave, you can ... Yeah, this is your life.

You get to do it in a way that kind of feels authentic to you. Try to reduce the shoulds, I think.

Yeah. Yeah, totally. I agree. And I think I've heard that a lot whilst on the course. I'd say Royal Holloway, so my university are quite good at that. I think they are very open and understanding and they kind of acknowledge that people do have their own lives and things do happen maybe unexpectedly. And so yeah, I think they are quite good at hearing you as person, seeing you as a person. So I think that's been quite helpful as a part of training process to have a good staff team, good course that are quite supportive and help you in that way. And I'm a course representative for my cohort and I've been the course representative for the last three years. So I take the feedback to and from the course and the kind of trainees. And it's really interesting being in those rooms with the course staff and the directors and stuff, but then also hearing from the trainees.

And I think Roy Holloway, they do a good job of taking on that feedback and it sounds like it is important to them. They want to honour that. Yeah.

That sounds like a really good example of practising leadership as well. And that can be something that feels harder to carve out as a trainee, but I think it's really important because when you qualify, you might find that you are the leader and suddenly you're like, "Oh, I feel woefully unequipped." You might be one of the most senior people, you might be the most senior psychologist on your team. You might have an assistant, you might have a trainee, you might not. It might just be you. And yeah, any opportunity to practise leadership and to try to reduce that imposter syndrome a little bit, I think is time well spent.

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And I think we learned a lot of skills in training and I think to be able to demonstrate some of them light leadership in a safe controlled environment before heading off into the world and being in situations where you are the most senior person in the team is really helpful just to get a sense of it. In our university, we do an annual conference, and so that's an opportunity for trainees to get involved in leadership or you can ask in placement if you can supervise an assistant under the supervision of your supervisor or something I'm trying to do in my current service is do a reflective practise for trainees, or I can me and another third year of trainee facilitate that. So I think these are all really helpful skills to kind of cultivate during the training rather than you've just been thrown into it and it's very anxiety provoking.

So yeah, it's a good opportunity whilst training.

Absolutely. And I'm aware that your cohort is significantly larger than mine. So when I qualified, when I trained, there was 15 of us that started. And then by the time we finished, there was one person that joined us from the year above because she'd had a baby. So there was 16 of us when we finished, and it meant that we could hang out together and often did. So during lunchtimes and break times, we'd all smooched together on this lovely big sofa area and got to actually ... I feel like I had a relationship with all of my fellow cohort. Obviously, some of my relationships were closer than others, but sometimes we did all go out together as well, probably less as time went on. And I know that as being part of a bigger cohort, I think you said that you're into the 40s, that is a very different beast entirely, isn't it?

Yeah, yeah, definitely. So yeah, we are about 56 at the moment. So there's quite a lot of us. And it's nice because I feel like our cohort do get on and we do get stuck into lectures and we can all have conversations and group discussions. It's been, yeah, I guess with more people, you have more voices, more conversations, which can be kind of a bit of a mixed bag. But then naturally, I guess groups do form and you find people who are more aligned with you. And that means that maybe those friendships can flourish a little bit more. But also we have spaces and we spoke before about this, about how universities can facilitate things like reflective practise where these are maybe in smaller groups where it feels a bit more safer to be a bit more vulnerable and share how you're really doing around juggling everything, placement, research, academic assignments.

And so that is really nice where we can, in a more intimate way, discuss how we're doing with people. So it's nice that the university can facilitate that. But yeah, it's quite a lot and can be quite daunting, you're in front of 50, 60 people. And I think we're at a place where we feel comfortable around each other to voice how we feel or say answers and lectures and give our opinions. But yeah, it's taken some time obviously to get to that point in such a large group. So I think by our final year now, it's been a bit more easier to be in those bigger groups, I think.

Yeah, that is quite a lot of different dynamics to take into account 56 people, that is a lot. And even the ability to be able to get to know someone and hold in mind what their strengths are, what their story is, what their background is, to be able to feel like you know that person and can just interact with them as you would another close colleague, like 56 people, that is a lot. And interpersonally, there will be differences there. Of course there are. And some courses, I know counselling psychology say that it's mandatory to have therapy. And on my course, we had personal development groups that ran for the first 18 months, but there was no one-to-one therapy as a mandatory component. I did undertake that in my final year and I found it really, really helpful. But I think for our own insight and our own reflection, our own ability to know what therapy is like and to have all of those, "Oh, what does my therapist think of me?

" And, "Oh, I'll save that for therapy." It is really helpful, I think, to have therapy. Is that in courses today, are they strongly suggesting that? Is it available at reduced rates? Are the clinicians that maybe offer that free locally? How's that been for you?

Yeah, it's a really good point. I think like you said, there are courses where it's mandatory and that's often you have to evidence that as well. So there are a whole process around receiving that kind of support. I think it's been difficult. I think having therapy alongside my training would've been something that I would've really benefited from. And I think there's more to it, I guess, that you have to check its affordability. And like you said, if there's any kind of low cost options for trainees, which I've seen around. But I think I remember in my first year, I contacted a few private psychologists and I think I was placed on a wait list, but I think I probably could have been more proactive to check on that wait list, but I hadn't been contacted and it's been two years now. So it's thinking about if it is a priority for you, making sure that as much as the other things we said were non-negotiable, like seeing family and being active and catching up with friends, is therapy non-negotiable for you?

Do you feel like that is an important part of how you maintain your wellbeing as a trainee? And for some it could be. And I think for me, I think I would've liked to prioritise that a bit more. But yeah, it is a minefield when you're juggling everything and you're like, "Should I also have therapy?" That's kind of another thing to consider. I think when you're under that pressure sometimes of the course, that can slip quite easily and you're focusing on more things which are a priority to you at that time. But yeah, I think it would've been quite beneficial to have, because you just never know what kind of unconscious processes are going on when you're meeting with someone for you, what can personally be triggered. And so maybe having a space to talk through that, because you only have so much time and supervision to really touch on those things and maybe you're just kind of scratching the surface.

So yeah, would've been quite beneficial.

Absolutely. I think this has been such an interesting and helpful conversation about the sort of reality is of what it's like to be a trainee psychologist. Is there anything we haven't covered that you think we should before we finish, Taniya?

Yeah, so I think as much as training has been tricky and challenging, and there's a lot to juggle at times, we do as trainees have the opportunity to be in services that we wouldn't usually be in. I'm in a systemic team now and in a team of all family therapists. So I don't think I would've gotten that opportunity in a qualified position, but it's taught me so much. And so it's really, even though we're chopping and changing so much, it's giving us insight into some of the things that we would like to consider doing when we qualify or our interests or just knowing what it's like to be a supervisor or how you'd like to be supervised, how you wouldn't like to be supervised. So it's all of those little things that kind of come together to inform the kind of psychologist you'd like to be or the team that you'd like to work in.

So I think in some ways to positively reframe that, I think can be a really helpful experience to be in different placements.

Absolutely. And I shared with you a little screenshot that I'd taken in a train station the other day, and I'll make sure that this is on screen for anyone on YouTube, but I think it's Bruce Lee. There's a picture of Bruce Lee and it says, "Absorb what is useful, discard what is not, add what is uniquely your own." And that really resonated with me for thinking about being an aspiring psych and visiting different placements because you might really love aspects of what they do on your placement in your team. There might be bits that you're like, "Hell no, as soon as I leave, I'm never doing this again." But there are other bits that you will leave behind that they'll be like, "Oh, actually they'll still talk about you after you've gone, hopefully in a really good way." And you will have hopefully enhanced that culture and your name will live on in the clinical notes and people will be like, "Oh yeah, I remember when Taniya was here." And I think that's a really nice, a nice thing.

And I hope that you have had people that have stayed in your phone when you've moved placement and that you'll stay part of each other's lives, even if it's just in WhatsApp. I think that's fine. But yeah, this is your life. Yeah, don't forget to live it and don't forget to be authentically you because we can't mask our way through three whole years of our life and then you get to the other end and you're qualified and you're working out who you are. And I guess just to trail our next episode, we're going to be recording again another episode on what are the realities of nearing the end of training? Are there even any jobs around for this newly developed qualified identity? So thank you so much for your time in this episode, Taniya. It's been really, really reflective. It's been kind of really nice to reconnect some of these ideas and think about some for the first time as well.

I really have welcomed your viewpoint and helping us have this conversation that we haven't really had so far on the podcast. So thank you.

Thank you, Marianne. Yeah, it's been really lovely to chat with you today. And I think we've pulled on some really helpful topics and it's even just your advice, it's been really helpful to think about just in this next year as I'm coming towards qualifying.

Perfect. Thank you. And yeah, do look out for our next episode, which is coming, I think next week actually. So thank you again, Taniya. Thank you so much to Taniya for her time. Has this made you feel like you've got more of an idea of what it's like? Does it make you feel validated if you're already on training or indeed have been through training? Is it making you rethink what your options were? I hope not, but I hope that it's opening up your eyes to have full informed consent, right? Because it is three years of your life. It isn't a small chunk of time. And your work life balance really does matter. I'd love to know what this has evoked for you. Please do drop in the comments either on YouTube or drop a question or a comment on Spotify. You can rate and review the show on Apple Podcasts.

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