Join veteran Star Trek, and now Babylon 5 podcasters, Brent Allen and Jeff Akin as they dive into Babylon 5 for a second time! They revisit each episode with fresh insights and deeper analysis, reflecting on their first-time reactions. Perfect for First Ones and people new to the series, this journey offers a deeper connection to the world of Babylon 5!

We meet Captain Lochley and ask the big questions: Is she her own character or just a fill-in for Ivanova? Does it even matter what side she was on during the civil war? Was she actually married to Sheridan or is that just ridiculous?

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[2:04] One of the things that that means is that we are free to talk about anything from any point in the timeline, whether it's in-universe, out-of-universe, canon, not canon, books, novels, conventions, whatever it is, we are free to talk about it. So if you have not been through this incredible series for the first time for yourself, trust us. Spoiler-free is the way to go. We have a whole podcast called Babylon 5 for the first time. That's where you're going to find all of that stuff. Go back, listen to that first. And then when you have gotten to a spot where you've worked your way through it, come back and join us here because it is a whole new thing. Why are you still here? Go! Go! Brent, this week we are kicking off the fifth season of Babylon 5 with the season premiere, No Compromises. When we watched this series for the first time we played a game where we would guess and predict what the next episode is going to be about based on the title alone for this one i predicted that we were going to get a new captain and a new first officer.

[3:04] And then very much like when sheridan joined us back in the second season we're going to get a trigati type incident to give them something, to you know establish themselves and i thought that something would be telepaths, and then uh And then we'd see Sheridan running around presidenting and, building his cabinet and doing all that good stuff. Once again, details killed you, man. Like, you were right there. Like, you were, what, like, 75%, 80% of the way there, man. And then I don't know that we had a first officer. And the telepath thing didn't really become a thing until later, if I remember right. Like, it was. They just show up in this one, I think. Right, right. I said that with Ivanova gone and Sheridan, now the president, that like you, I knew they were going to get a new captain, but I named the captain. You did. Because you see, I was paying attention. Because in Deconstruction with Fallen Stars, they mentioned Lockley. And you had an action figure that you'd been holding on to for a very long time wondering, hey, where does this person come in? Where does this person come in? And that was my guess that it was going to be this Lockley person. I forgot about the action figure. You're absolutely right about that. And I said this would be her introduction, and they basically would have to do something to start the story up because they really wrapped it up.

[4:18] They'd have to do something to start it up all over again. That's what we thought it was going to be about. What do you say we pause for a minute and actually go revisit what we actually said about it the first time around? Let's do it. Previously on Babylon 5 for the first time. No compromises.

[4:38] They killed a kid. What is wrong with JMS and killing kids? He's a kid. He was special.

[4:46] He was special. And they killed him. When Garibaldi went away, they promoted Zack. And when Garibaldi came back, they didn't demote him. Even though they let Garibaldi tell him how to do his job. Zack let him talk, but he's like, dude, back off. Zack stood up for himself. I appreciate that. Zack's great. Corrin's effectively running Babylon 5. He still doesn't get a uniform, though. He's still a maitre d' at some local restaurant. I have some theories on Lockley, and I feel like they started from go with painting her as, I'm better at my job than anybody else, and you need to acknowledge that. I didn't get that feeling from her at all but to my Stargate fans out there, a character named Woolsey comes in and I feel like that's Lockley she's by the book she's down the line and she does it that way because it works so what side do you think she was on in the in the war, she was on Earth's side as she was as I said earlier though Earth really means President Clark side and it's not even President Clark she was a loyalist.

[5:52] But I think she would have been, if you engage, I'm going to shoot back. I think she was in on the assassination attempt. Garibaldi and everybody, even Londo, is like, you got to cancel. And then Lockley says, I agree with Captain Sheridan. And I'm like, she agrees because she wants the assassination to continue. She served with Dude. She was a loyalist. I think you're 100% wrong on that. She wasn't even at the inauguration. You know why she wasn't there? because there was going to be some shooting and she didn't want to be around for it. Two dudes just waltzed in and took Star Furies. What's happening here? As soon as that Star Fury came up, you knew it was coming, but it didn't. I'm like, this is awesome. But that was also probably a point they wouldn't have wanted people to cheer. You know, oh, they're going to kill the president, but what a cool way to do it. Finally getting the official inauguration. Was it Spaceballs? And it's like, fine. Do you? Do you? Okay, great. You're married. Go on.

[6:49] I'm talking about his telepaths. I was going to say, we have to talk about telepaths and we're good. Like you just went into her mind without her permission. Like you're standing there being all creepy as all get out. And then he sits down and he says, the geometries that circumscribe your waking life. I just wanted to punch him in the face. Brent, one of your fears, I think, might have just come true. No. No? No. Not at all. Okay. Not at all. Cause I don't see how Woolsey is at all like Lockley. Why? How could you not see that Woolsey is not like Lockley? Because he showed up basically as an auditor. He was more a Sebastian than anything else. No, because he's not putting them through tests and stuff. No, listen, Lockley comes in and she is by the book. Here's the thing. Remember what you know about Woolsey, right? He comes in and he's like, I don't like what you're doing. I don't like this. But this is also not good. Woolsey is very by the book. Yeah. And that's what I said in the recap. He is this straight-laced. We're going to do it by the book. We're going to have all this. I think you've only seen Woolsey for like two episodes, right? Twice. You'll see him once or twice more. Okay, good. But he –.

[8:06] He's just by the book. And Lockley is very, we're going to do it this way. We're going to do it this way. And the thing is, whether you like it or not, they're both right. Doing it by the book is right.

[8:20] It is. And it's annoying. Right. But it's right. And what I love about it too, and for those of you who are like, what in the, we have this other show called Stargate SG one for the first time and, uh, near the end of the eighth season, uh, seventh and eighth. Right. i think is when he shows up uh right either way this guy shows up wolsey and he he's a he's quite a character, but um well he's and he's particularly remembered memorable from us old star trek nerds because he is played by the one and only robert picardo.

[8:53] Yeah the doctor played very well but i think what i really appreciate about him spoilers for people who have also not seen stargate, he comes around not in like hey it's okay you're doing things wrong but i understand why you did things this way and i'm not going to push, you know like kinsey and everybody over here are going to push so and and lockley comes around too in her way the the difference between wolsey and like a kinsey, and even a mayborn because they all kind of approach it from the same hey you guys are doing this the wrong way you guys are wasting money this is not an okay thing wolsey's not coming at it with his own agenda he's just coming in with the book, and that's lockley lockley's not coming in here i think with an agenda trying to do anything, she's coming in here to captain yeah and to lead and she probably knows that babylon five might be on borrowed earth time because they're going to try to sell it they're going to try to you know this is she's shutting down Not a movie theater. Yeah, exactly. How do I stem the hemorrhaging while this thing is happening? I do love, though, that I was convinced that she wanted to kill Sheridan and she's a bad guy. Yeah. Especially knowing what we learn later, right? Like, of course she wants to kill him.