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What if working less could actually unlock more? In this inspiring episode of the You World Order Showcase Podcast, Jill Hart sits down with business coach and podcast host Jenna Harrison to explore how strategic constraints—like a 3-day work week—can accelerate growth, fuel creativity, and create a life of freedom.
Jenna shares her journey from overworked entrepreneur to thriving business owner living in Spain, where she scaled to multiple six figures, retired her husband early, and built a business that supports her dream lifestyle. Together, we dive into:
- Why doing everything “right” is keeping women stuck and exhausted
- How stress literally shuts down creativity and compassion in the brain
- Why organization and environment directly impact productivity and energy
- The surprising role of identity in lasting transformation
- Why authenticity (not hustle) is the real secret to attracting clients
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If you’re ready to reimagine success, reclaim your energy, and discover what’s truly possible when you stop hustling and start aligning, this episode is for you.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: What if working less could actually unlock more revenue, more freedom, and more joy? In this episode, you'll discover how designing your business around strategic constraints, like a 3-day work week, can actually accelerate growth and open the door to a life beyond your wildest dreams. Hi, and welcome to the UWorld Order Showcase Podcast, where we feature life, health, transformational coaches, and spiritual entrepreneurs stepping up to build
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: be the change they seek in the world.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I'm your host, Jill Hart, The Coach's Alchemist, on a mission to help coaches and entrepreneurs amplify their voice, monetize their mission, and get visible, leveraging Substack and podcasts.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Today, we are chatting with Jenna Harrison. Jenna is a top-ranked business coach, podcast host, and founder of The Uncommon Way. A reformed over workers, she now helps women create more freedom, impact, and wealth.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: We're working just 3 days a week. For Jenna, the 3-day work week is just the beginning. It's about building a business that fuels your dream lifestyle. She's done exactly that.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Scaling to multiple six figures, retiring her husband early, and moving her family to Spain, where she enjoys mountain hikes with friends and beach days with her 7-year-old son.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Jenna's mission is clear, to show entrepreneurs that extraordinary results don't require endless hustle, they require doing the business the uncommon way. Welcome to the show, Jenna. It's great to have you here.
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::Jenna Harrison: I am so excited to be here. Thank you.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I feel like the guy on The Price is Right.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Come on down!
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::Jenna Harrison: I should be wearing a glittery ball gown.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Well, yeah, a sparkly shirt.
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::Jenna Harrison: Yeah.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And point.
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::Jenna Harrison: Yes. Yes.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Alright, let's ask….
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::Jenna Harrison: grams behind me.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, jazz hands.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I love it, I love it. Okay, so what's the most significant thing, in your opinion, as individuals, we can do to make an impact on how the world is going?
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::Jenna Harrison: Women need to stop doing everything right, and start doing what works for them.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I love that. That is just like, okay, we're done.
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::Jenna Harrison: Yeah.
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::Jenna Harrison: Yes, in my experience, there are so many layers. We're trying to do the affirmations correctly for the mindset, and we're trying to do the strategy correctly, and we're trying to live our lives as the perfect women, perfect moms, and do everything right, but so often, we're completely out of alignment. We're not really showcasing our secret sauce. Maybe we don't really even know what that is.
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::Jenna Harrison: And it's just creating a lot of waste and a lot of exhaustion, and it's certainly not contributing to the world that we all want to live in.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yes, that is so true, and when we're trying to do everything and be everything to everybody, we end up…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: We're burning out, and we make some of us burn out slower than others, but it just… it impacts everybody that you're around, because when you're burning out, you're… you're much more stressed, and a stressed human being is not a human being that's…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Contributing positively to their environment.
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::Jenna Harrison: Absolutely not. In fact, we can't, because they can put human brains under fMRIs now and literally see that when they're stressed, the parts of the brain are offline that have to do with compassion.
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::Jenna Harrison: And creativity, and so many other things that we think we want in entrepreneurship and in all the roles in our lives, but we literally don't have access to it.
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::Jenna Harrison: In the ways that we do when we're in a different state of being.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Don't you find that when… when we start talking about things like motherhood and entrepreneurship and relationships, and, you know, all of the different things that maybe we're interested in, we… we try to, like, segment them out?
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::Jenna Harrison: Hmm.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Instead of, like, This is my life.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It all runs together.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And it's, like, how we're painting the picture, if we want to, like, muddle them all up, it's…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's not gonna look that great, but if we have…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: If we have it planned out more carefully, then the colors will complement each other, and all the little pieces will look good together, rather than, you know, if you mix all the paints together, it just turns into mud, which sometimes we find ourselves, when we're stuck, it's like we're stuck in the mud, it's because all our colors are running together.
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::Jenna Harrison: Oh, that is such an interesting metaphor. Yes, I love that. One of my favorites is to think of, when I walk around here, I notice that olive trees will just grow straight out of the side of cliffs, and they have no irrigation, no water, and yet there they are, just thriving.
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::Jenna Harrison: And it's so fascinating, because you could put them in the quote-unquote textbook perfect growing conditions of, like, lots of humidity and nutrient-rich soil, and they would literally die.
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::Jenna Harrison: They would wither and die because it's just not the right conditions for them.
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::Jenna Harrison: It's not what they need. If they're in the right conditions, in the wild, they can live for hundreds, even thousands of years. It's truly amazing. And when I start to look around at nature and see how that works for so many, all animals, all plants, really.
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::Jenna Harrison: really helps me, explain the fact that the same is true for us. And when we are in our right conditions, our thriving is inevitable. Sometimes we just need to get out of our way.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Do you find that,
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: This may sound like it's kind of off track, but do you find that a clean environment, or being particular about how your environment looks, affects
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: how you perform.
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::Jenna Harrison: Oh, that is such an interesting question. Before, I would have said no, and it's interesting because I was just talking with someone on my podcast, actually, who is an organizer, but an organizer for business.
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::Jenna Harrison: For coaches, actually. And I was… she used to be a home organizer, and I told her that we moved into a substantially smaller home here when we went to live in Spain.
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::Jenna Harrison: And interestingly enough, I've had to start organizing in ways that I never had to before. I have all… everything folded in the Maria Kondo way, I have all sorts of, like, under-bed storage.
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::Jenna Harrison: And it has created so much spaciousness in my life. I literally smile every time I walk into my bathroom. I never thought I'd be that woman, but all of my bottles are arranged in perfect order, and they're in these little removable basket things that I can take up and have everything exactly where I need it.
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::Jenna Harrison: And what a difference it makes!
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::Jenna Harrison: Do you tend to be organized in your home as well?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I do, I do, and I find, especially in the kitchen, I have my pots are all on this hanging rack.
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::Jenna Harrison: And….
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: they're in a specific order, and it drives me crazy when my husband does the dishes, and he just puts them up randomly everywhere. I have to go and put them back where they belong, because I have a spot! And it sounds so silly, but
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: and even, like, the cutting board, it has a… my cutting board has a handle on it, and it sits on my dish rack. There's a rack piece for it, and I put it in one way, and I'm the primary cook in the household, so
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I like to just, you know, reach over and grab it, and all my stuff is right where… I don't have to think about where did I.
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::Jenna Harrison: I put that.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And….
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::Jenna Harrison: Yes.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: That's what organization does for a person, and beyond just
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: having your home or your office organized, if you can organize your life.
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::Jenna Harrison: I think….
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: that, that… It… it… it… It kind of moves from your outside inside.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: If you can get your environment organized, then your… your… the rest of your stuff that you're trying to put together tends to fall more into… into line.
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::Jenna Harrison: That is such a great example of the cognitive load that we carry, and the blind spots we have that we don't even notice is there. So, a year or two ago, I might have thought nothing of the fact that it took me 5 minutes to find something.
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::Jenna Harrison: But all of that really amplifies, doesn't it? And there's so many things in our lives and in our businesses where we are carrying extra, emotions and extra, you know, baggage that isn't really ours, things that were given to us, or things, you know, world events going on.
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::Jenna Harrison: different things that we think we have to be, or ways that we have to show up. So much cognitive load.
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::Jenna Harrison: And anyone who's gone through the journey that we have from disorganized to organized knows the difference. And it's something that's hard to explain to people that haven't actually gone through it, but in so many areas of your life, it's just like, you know, they say taking the backpack off.
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::Jenna Harrison: Taking the weight off.
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::Jenna Harrison: And, there's… it's such a silent and, substantial, energetic drain.
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::Jenna Harrison: For us, it leaks. It's an energy leak, honestly.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It really is, and if you're talking about having a 3-day work week.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Where you get everything you need to get done done as a… do you work with solopreneurs, or do you mainly work with people that are much larger, have teams, or… how does.
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::Jenna Harrison: Both.
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::Jenna Harrison: Both.
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::Jenna Harrison: Yeah, I work with people that are just starting out, all the way to multiple seven figures.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So, I would imagine that in…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I've been a solopreneur for most of my life, various different areas, but the thing that I know is that
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You need to be organized, and if you're not organized.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yes, there's the energy leak, but there's time leaks.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: The time that you spend looking for stuff, or trying to remember stuff, and the whole walking into a room and forgetting what you're there for, so you go back, and then you walk back.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: That's time that you'll never get back, and it's wasted, and then you've forgotten that other thing that you were trying to hang on to.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: When you're not organized in your… in your home, so you can find what you're looking for right away, or on your computer, or in your business, like, it's… it's really easy for you to feel like you're working a million hours, and you're really not.
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::Jenna Harrison: Hmm, exciting.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Exactly. Because you're just, like, you're so disorganized that you're spending all your time just trying to find stuff, or remember what you were trying to find for why, for what reason.
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::Jenna Harrison: Sure, and the same is true for all the decision making, when it takes us days to make a decision, and when we have to overthink and think about what they'll think if we write this content, so we rewrite our content to be completely different.
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::Jenna Harrison: And there's so much time drain. There's so much time that's wasted in those ways.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, I've always been one of those people that it's just like, better done than… picking…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, I'd rather send out two emails, because I have to correct the link, than…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: rethink what I was doing.
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::Jenna Harrison: I had a….
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: about that.
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::Jenna Harrison: I had a client who was sure her business had started to dip, and she was sure she needed to create more content. That it was becoming more difficult for her content to be seen, and so she needed to just ramp it up, right? We just need to do more, hustle more.
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::Jenna Harrison: But it turns out that when I asked her, what do you really think is the breakthrough that you need in your business? The breakthrough that will be the lever that creates the biggest transformation, the biggest change.
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::Jenna Harrison: She said, she got quiet, and she goes, I think that I need to stop holding back on what I need to say. I think I just need to be bolder, and really say what needs to be said.
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::Jenna Harrison: And that, she was absolutely right. And so there was so much that went into keeping her from doing that, mentally, obviously. And when she was able to clear that out, she realized she could actually create less content, because now it was more powerful, more impactful.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I think we get trained, when it comes to content, to not be authentic, and not be ourselves, and not put our opinions out there.
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::Jenna Harrison: I think it's social.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: media that has really trained us in that way, which is one of the reasons I really love Substack, is because they're all about authenticity, and you just lay it out there, and people
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: over there, because they're all content creators.
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::Jenna Harrison: And they're….
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I've had a couple people say something kind of snarky to me, and both of them came back later and softened it.
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::Jenna Harrison: Yeah.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's just, like, it's such an interesting dynamic over there, which is why I encourage everybody to, you know.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: get on Substack. It's free, it's a great place to really connect with people, because they're… they're wanting authentic connections, and they want to know what you really think. You know, even if they don't agree with you, it's okay. And it's not okay in a lot of places to post like that.
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::Jenna Harrison: No, and choosing the right community to be in is essential, right? We have a diet that we choose to feed ourselves, whether we realize it or not, and we need to feed ourselves the most nutrient-dense diet.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, for sure. And, and….
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::Jenna Harrison: we're not even talking, like, food, we're talking… No. The energetics that you allow to come into your body, … Yes.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: from who you're around. We were talking about, communities, because we were both raised by, military officers, naval military officers. Yes. And about the different communities in the military. And I wanted to kind of
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: reconnect on that level, but also talk about how your time in the military, and I know you married a military person as well, and how that has shaped what you're doing today.
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::Jenna Harrison: Oh, yes, fundamental change. So, I… yes, I was raised in the military, I turned 18, I said never again, and I ran off to Europe and New York City, and as far away as I could get from military bases.
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::Jenna Harrison: But many years later, I was on a platform, a dating platform called eHarmony, this was 15 years ago, and I got a little…
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::Jenna Harrison: notification in my inbox from Benjamin in Korea, and I thought, Benjamin in Korea? That's an interesting Korean name. But I opened it up, and it was a U.S. soldier who was stationed in Korea, and we just started communicating, and he was just such a wonderful, nice, kind-hearted guy that…
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::Jenna Harrison: we kept up the, you know, pen pal thing, and then finally he, came back to the States, got stationed back in the States, and we were finally able to meet, and the rest is history.
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::Jenna Harrison: But what I didn't realize when I was marrying back into the military was that, thankfully, times had changed. It wasn't like when my mother was there and she had to… actually, I as well would get
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::Jenna Harrison: I don't know if you remember this, but the sailors and soldiers on their evaluations would have a section that talked about the behavior and performance, basically, of their spouse and children.
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::Jenna Harrison: So, if their spouse and children were not falling in, toeing the line, then that would be considered problematic and would be difficult for that person to get promoted and accelerate in ranks, because they needed the whole family to be part of the career.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So, times had changed, but what was available to me now was that spouses in the Army with Army leadership can actually attend the classes.
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::Jenna Harrison: that, soldiers can attend on leadership development. And I was really fascinated. This was one of my first entrees into the personal development world.
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::Jenna Harrison: And I was always curious from the outside, like, how do you take these inner-city youths and put them through boot camp or something, and they come out as U.S. soldiers, right? They act differently, they carry themselves differently. What is really going on? Is that just…
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::Jenna Harrison: brainwashing? Is it hypnosis? Is it fear? Are they all quaking in fear? But what I was able to learn through these courses that I did, and I eventually got my certificate in leader development from the U.S. Army War College, which is their graduate-level institution.
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::Jenna Harrison: What it really comes down to is identity building.
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::Jenna Harrison: And so they're really reinventing themselves to create this new identity, and what they've seen through numerous studies is that, yes, you can motivate somebody through fear or
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::Jenna Harrison: Disciplined action, but what really creates the longest effect, the longest-lasting motivation.
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::Jenna Harrison: is identity change. Is becoming the person who…
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::Jenna Harrison: And that has formed the basis of so much of my work. I combined that then with
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::Jenna Harrison: my business knowledge, and I combined it with what I… my own path to finding clarity and finding what I was really here to do in the world, and it's just all come together in a really beautiful way that kind of blends the strategy and the more intuitive side of business.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Did you do it in community, or do you do it as one-on-one, or do you do it as courses? How does all that look?
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::Jenna Harrison: In terms of me with my clients, or how I learned from the military?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: No, in terms of you with your clients.
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::Jenna Harrison: Yes, yes. I have private clients, and then I also have a mastermind, so I believe so strongly in community and the power of social learning. I used to only have one-to-one clients, and then I just started noticing, oh, if only so-and-so could talk to so-and-so, right?
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::Jenna Harrison: They'd see that they're not the only one, or that someone just figured it out, they could do it in this way. So I just said to them, I said, you know what, would you all be interested in meeting, you know, at no extra charge or anything, we'll just all get together and talk.
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::Jenna Harrison: And the difference I saw in results from that moment was just explosive, because finally they weren't in a vacuuming… excuse me, they weren't in a vacuum battling their own mind.
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::Jenna Harrison: They were surrounding themselves with other people who proved that it was possible, and encouraged them, and supported them, and helped them get out of their way, and it made all the difference.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I… I can see how that parallels with the military, and.
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::Jenna Harrison: Mmm.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I know a lot of people that are like, oh, bootcamp's terrible, and the sergeants are horrible, and…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: But every person I've ever met, including my oldest daughter, she joined the army. She was a whiny human being when she went in there.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: She hated the world, and we went… when she graduated from boot camp, and she's just, like, she's… she mentioned in passing her feet hurt. Like, well…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Why do you feed… feed her? And she said, well, I have a lot of blisters, because we've done a lot of marching, and I said, well, I'm so sorry about that. She goes, oh, pain's just weakness leaving your body. This was not the human being who'd lived with me for 18 years.
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::Jenna Harrison: Absolutely.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: The other point is that they use…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I think they still do. They shave men's heads. They make women tie all your hair up. You cannot have any loose hair anywhere on your head. But, men, they shave their heads, and the reason that they do that is because it's… you're starting over. It's a rebirth process, boot camp.
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::Jenna Harrison: Absolutely.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And you're learning how to do everything. They pretend like you don't know anything.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: no matter who you are, and officers go through this, too. It's just, like, you… you are at the beck and call of the superior officer assigned to you, and they're going to make sure you do things absolutely perfectly.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And it's the little things, like making your bed.
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::Jenna Harrison: Yeah. You know….
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: A lot of people in the world don't make their bed in the morning.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I don't get that.
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::Jenna Harrison: Well, and they used to say you needed to be able to bounce a dime off of the bed, or some coin, it had to be that.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Perfect.
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::Jenna Harrison: A quarter, yes.
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::Jenna Harrison: Yes, yes, there's, it is a rebirth, it is a reinvention process, but the beauty is that I think they tapped into what we now know to be true from neuroscience, is that the brain is absolutely plastic.
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::Jenna Harrison: And that you absolutely can recondition it yourself. And that's a really thrilling piece of information.
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::Jenna Harrison: it really opens the door to so many things, and that's why I really love, you know, the 3-Day Workweek formula. It just kind of stretches people's minds around what's possible.
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::Jenna Harrison: But really, it's a metaphor. You know, some people come to me, and they've been working 60 hours, and they would just love to work 40. They're not even interested in a 3-day work week.
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::Jenna Harrison: But when they see that they can create that thing that felt impossible before, it just opens the door. What else is possible? You know, that's how when I've had clients
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::Jenna Harrison: Lose the weight, or move to a different place, or, you know, break up with the partner in order to find the love of their life, and just so many changes, so many things become possible, and we just wonder why we weren't, …
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::Jenna Harrison: Weren't really stepping into that power before, the power we have to create change.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I think a lot of it stems from just upbringing, and society always saying that, you know, no, you have to just be happy with what you have. You know, the whole, you'll have nothing and like it thing?
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::Jenna Harrison: You know.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Maybe… maybe we will have nothing and like it, but it's more than…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: it's not because they're telling us we can't, which is… is the angle that it's always put from, is you can't have anything, and you will be happy. Rather than… you could release stuff.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You have the power to release stuff and make space for other things in your life.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And that's where the happiness will show up.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's… It's a juxtaposition, but it's… it's so true, because the more stuff you have.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: The more trapped you are.
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::Jenna Harrison: Mmm, like organizing.
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::Jenna Harrison: Like, organizing, you know? We also have a very fixed… we have a sense of fixed identity, and that is part of, you know, our normal ego development.
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::Jenna Harrison: But they've done studies to show that people completely underestimate the amount of change that they… how they have changed as a person in just 10 years. And they'll do that at every decade.
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::Jenna Harrison: And the people won't actually realize, even their personality, how much that's changing. But the actual truth is, we go through a lot of change in our lives. We just tend to change in the direction
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::Jenna Harrison: Of other people around us, rather than intentionally deciding how we want to be, who we want to be, what kind of business we want to have, what kind of life we want to have, and then reverse engineering those results.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So do you help people actually, like, map out… and there's a lot of talk about, you know, just manifest it, and….
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::Jenna Harrison: And oh.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: All those things really do play into it, calling stuff out of the consciousness, but there's also practical steps you need to take. You can't just sit around and wish for stuff to happen. I mean, I'm sure there's one or two people, I shouldn't say no one can do this, because I can't
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I could have been wrong at a moment's notice, but….
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::Jenna Harrison: Right, right. No, that's true. I, … I actually have an interesting story, because when I was creating my business, I was really listening to my people. I… if you…
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::Jenna Harrison: I did a lot of work, but then what happened is I was using it in my copy, and I started to rank on Google.
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::Jenna Harrison: And then, once I was on Google, I really did have an opportunity to practice the energetic realm and the manifestation, and I would notice that based on what I was believing about myself and believing about other clients and people that were out there, I would see the
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::Jenna Harrison: different people come through the exact same landing page. Different types of people. Like, I remember once thinking.
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::Jenna Harrison: You know, I used to do everyone's copy for them, and all of their messaging. Then that changed, and I remember a point thinking, you know what?
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::Jenna Harrison: I bet they're gonna… there are… they've gotta be women out there who just, absolutely know how to market already, and they really just want to work on their mindset. And sure enough, then more people started coming in that really just wanted to get out of their own way and work on their mindset, and I thought, this is fascinating.
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::Jenna Harrison: Price points started changing. Their… yeah, their intentions started changing, the number of people coming through would change, and so I've really been able to do both. I've seen… I don't think that that would have been able to happen without the work that I had put in, the belief that I'd put in, the clarity building that I had created that helped me then communicate with the universe about what I wanted.
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::Jenna Harrison: But then again, I also know there's another
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::Jenna Harrison: there are many things going on in our business. But yes, to answer your question, absolutely. We love strategy, we love to geek out on the tactics, but it has to be based on what actually works for the person.
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::Jenna Harrison: I've seen people that build their businesses that live on Instagram. I have other clients that never touch social media. I myself was off of social media for many years, and my business continued to double during that time.
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::Jenna Harrison: So I really don't think there's any one way it has to be done. What needs to happen is it has to be…
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::Jenna Harrison: the right way for you. It has to be your uncommon way.
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::Jenna Harrison: Or, you'll always have some sort of drag.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And the little drags that show up in your life, often you don't even recognize what's holding you back without somebody that can come along and say, hmm, did you think about that? I can see that over there, but you probably can't.
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::Jenna Harrison: Yes, yes, it is really interesting how
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::Jenna Harrison: artful our brains are at keeping us in exactly the same patterns. And, of course, it's a survival technique, we all know why it happens, we're all coaches here.
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::Jenna Harrison: And healers, but, what unfortunately happens is that
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::Jenna Harrison: it's like we think we're in an ocean of possibility, but really we're in a fishbowl inside the ocean. And that fishbowl is our mind, right? And so we don't understand that we're actually tapping up against the glass.
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::Jenna Harrison: But really, we have other opportunities we haven't considered, we have other ways of, you know, maybe avoiding this obstacle or moving around the little boulder in the path, and it's just really challenging us… challenging for us to see from our own perspective.
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::Jenna Harrison: That's why I usually have a coach, and, you know, I recommend everyone have someone with a very…
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::Jenna Harrison: Kind of clear-headed perspective who can step back and is willing to tell you some of the hard truths.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah.
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::Jenna Harrison: Yeah.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: and tell you to look up, because you can just swim out of the fishbowl.
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::Jenna Harrison: Like, it's….
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Your mind… your mind can be open or closed, it's up to you, but, you know, if you have a coach, or if you have somebody that…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Can just say, hey, looked that way.
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::Jenna Harrison: Yes!
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Not even tell you what to do, but give you some ideas, and sometimes that's… That's enough.
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::Jenna Harrison: Do you remember?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: quick move.
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::Jenna Harrison: Have you ever seen those memes on Learned Helplessness, and it's a cat sitting in a cat carrier, but they've taken the top part of the cat carrier off, but it still wants to get out the little gate? Wire gate? Yeah. Just hop right out of the carrier? Yeah, that's us, so often.
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::Jenna Harrison: Yeah, and I actually, I love it. I love encountering my next layer. I love finding that opportunity to really step into my next level. It always feels like, like I said, putting the backpack down, or, like, this sense of relief and spaciousness and possibility. It's, I think, a really fun process.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's really fun, too, but I hate the part that you're… where you're butting up against a wall.
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::Jenna Harrison: Yeah.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's probably why the other part feels so good. That's true. Oh, I could just turn to the side.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: the backpack down. Yes.
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::Jenna Harrison: Yes, yeah, so I love the work you're doing helping people with Substack and with podcasting, because it just helps people see that there's so many different ways.
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::Jenna Harrison: To find your people, right? And connect with your people, and that's really what it's about.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, it's building your own tribe, and everybody has a tribe out there.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: the world's so big, and it's so close now. It just isn't, like… I talk to people all over the world.
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::Jenna Harrison: Almost every day, and it's, like….
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: they could just be down the street from me, because it's that… that kind of a community. I mean.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It has never been like this before. We live in an amazing time, and, you know, just the possibilities truly are endless. I love your analogy of the fishbowl.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's like you can see it! It doesn't seem like there's, you know… it's not like a glass ceiling where that old metaphor about, you know, women can't get.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: the glass ceiling. You can see up above you, but you can't get there. You can actually get there. You're just looking straight ahead instead of looking up. And…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah.
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::Jenna Harrison: Yeah. Yeah.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So… I know you offer a 7-day, thought cleanse. Do you wanna….
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::Jenna Harrison: I do, I do. So, along the lines of what we've been talking about.
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::Jenna Harrison: This is an opportunity, it's really fun and simple. It's… an email is going to arrive into your inbox every day for 7 days.
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::Jenna Harrison: And it's going to help you see certain thought patterns, which I see come up again and again for women entrepreneurs at all different levels in their business. And it's just going to give you an opportunity to kind of highlight them, see them, and practice living without them just for one day.
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::Jenna Harrison: So the same way we would do a juice detox or something, and we would just practice living without certain things.
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::Jenna Harrison: We're just gonna do that category by category for 7 days.
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::Jenna Harrison: And just enjoy the benefits afterwards. That nice, kind of clean feeling of possibility and potential. Because, really, your life absolutely changes.
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::Jenna Harrison: when you start thinking differently, right? When you can think uncommonly, so differently to how so many of us think.
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::Jenna Harrison: Then, really, you have limitless potential.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I love how you call it a cleanse, also, because….
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::Jenna Harrison: Mmm, good.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: all of this stuff is not a once-and-done thing. Like, you don't take one shower and then, I don't have to shower ever again.
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::Jenna Harrison: Right, right, right, right, right. Yes, and just the same way other little things start building up in our system over time.
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::Jenna Harrison: you know, we have natural negativity biases. We have certain patterns that have been built in since childhood, and we just need a refresh every once in a while to re-remember and reset, and then…
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::Jenna Harrison: Yeah, pick up and go.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So you can do this more than once.
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::Jenna Harrison: Yes.
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::Jenna Harrison: Yes, absolutely.
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::Jenna Harrison: Yes.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Soap!
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And people can find this at theuncommonway.com.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: forward slash thought hyphen cleanse. If they just go to theuncommonway.com, they can find a link for it somewhere.
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::Jenna Harrison: Actually, no, this is a special gift for your listeners, and so they wouldn't be able to find it without the link, but I'm sure, hopefully, can you put that in your, … Oh, absolutely! Oh, absolutely. Okay, great, great, great.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So you need to remember to go to forward slash thought dash cleanse in order to find this special gift. And it truly is a gift, so thank you so much, Jenna. I appreciate you doing that for us.
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::Jenna Harrison: Oh, my pleasure. My pleasure. Yes, and I am everywhere at The Uncommon Way. I have social media, my, website, my podcast, it's very easy to find me, but I would love to connect.
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::Jenna Harrison: with anyone who feels interested and moved by this conversation. I think that the more of us who see each other doing it, creating uncommon choices, building businesses in uncommon ways, finding what really works for us.
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::Jenna Harrison: The more we can do that, the more we have a very, like, full well, you know, a very satisfying, fulfilled place to then
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::Jenna Harrison: serve.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yes, I agree. I… it's just, like, it's so amazing.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I really appreciate you joining me today.
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::Jenna Harrison: It's been such a pleasure, thanks for having me on.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: To learn more about Jenna and the uncommon way, and to find the 7-Day Thought Cleanse, please visit
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: www.theuncommonway.com forward slash thought dash cleanse for the thought cleanse, and just to reach out to her, you can just go to theuncommonwey.com. And what's the name of your podcast, Jenna? I want to just make sure that we share that, too.
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::Jenna Harrison: Thank you, it's called The Uncommon Way.
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::Jenna Harrison: Okay, I thought so, but I wanted to be sure.
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::Jenna Harrison: You can feel free to DM me on Instagram, I'm…
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::Jenna Harrison: Very, very accessible. I'm very excited to talk about these topics. Any questions that come up, any, but is it really possible? I get these questions a lot, but wait, in my industry, would it be possible? In my circumstances, would it be possible? Just bring it. Let's talk about it.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Awesome.
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::Jenna Harrison: Thanks for tuning in with us today. If you have a podcast or are interested in starting one, be sure to reach out to us at support at heartlifecoach.com. We love to help spiritual entrepreneurs and coaches amplify their voice and monetize their mission, and offer a variety of ways to do this leveraging Substack.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Join us for our next episode as we share what others are doing to raise the global frequency. And remember, change begins with you. You have all the power to change the world. Start today, and get visible.
