What if the first question toward healing wasn't "where does it hurt" but "when's the last time you laughed?" In this episode, Shridha talks with Doug "Red Hail" Pineda, founder of the Church of Psychedelics, about what Indigenous approaches to wellness can teach a modern world that's grown used to quick fixes and short appointments.

This conversation moves through what wellness looks like when it's rooted in relationship, community, and ceremony rather than symptoms alone, and why integrating an insight matters more than the insight itself. If you've ever felt like modern healthcare treats the surface without touching the root, this episode offers a different lens, one grounded in thousands of years of observation rather than a prescription pad.

About the Guest:

Doug "Red Hail" Pineda is the founder of the Church of Psychedelics, based in Colorado. Of Native American heritage, he speaks and teaches on Indigenous approaches to wellness and humanity's relationship with plant medicine.

Key Takeaways:

• Indigenous wellness traditions often start with relational questions, when did you last laugh, dance, or sing with your community, rather than symptom-focused ones.
• Ceremony opens the door to healing, but integration, actually living out what you learned, is what does the real work.
• Wellness isn't a state you arrive at and check off. It's a daily practice of walking your talk and closing the gap between insight and action.
• Consider the difference between treating a root cause and simply managing a symptom, and where your own health routines fall on that spectrum.
• Plant medicine traditions carry generations of observed relationships between nature and the human body, a body of knowledge many cultures are only beginning to take seriously.

Connect with Doug "Red Hail" Pineda:

Website: thechurchofpsychedelics.com

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/dougredhailpineda

Episode Chapters:

[00:00] Welcome to Wellness Reimagined — meeting Doug "Red Hail" Pineda (approx.)

[02:00] What people misunderstand about Indigenous wellness (approx.)

[06:00] Everyday integration: why the ceremony isn't the healing (approx.)

[09:00] Founding the Church of Psychedelics and Colorado's legalization of natural medicine (approx.)

[13:00] Comparing plant medicine and pharmaceutical approaches to health (approx.)

[16:30] The stigma around the word "psychedelics" (approx.)

[18:00] Where to find Doug and closing reflections (approx.)

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