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Girlhood and Lifelong Friendships Part 1
Episode 63 • 2nd May 2024 • Sharing The Middle • Joyful Support Movement
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In this episode of 'Sharing the Middle', I had a heart-to-heart with my lifelong friend, Emma. We took a trip down memory lane, from our carefree girlhood days to the ups and downs of womanhood. We laughed about our small-town adventures, shared our most cherished memories, and talked about how our friendship has weathered the test of time - through adulthood, motherhood, and all the challenges life has thrown our way. Even though we're miles apart now, our bond remains as strong as ever. So, join us as we relive the good old days over frozen burritos and sneak-outs, and celebrate the joy of lasting friendship!

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Lacey:

Welcome to sharing the middle, where we share our stories

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of the messy middles of life.

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To be able to see one another

and hopefully feel ourselves be

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seen in each other's stories.

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We're still working on that intro.

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I don't know.

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This is going to be a continuation

of me, Lacey, your host's story in

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conversation with the people in my world..

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I find it a lot easier for me to

tell my story in conversation.

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And boy, do you learn a lot about me in

this conversation with my friend, Emma?

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Emma has been my friend.

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For a very long time, and this was an

opportunity one for us to catch up.

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So you'll hear our joy

and just catching up.

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But we really talked through going through

a lot of our life together, what it means

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to be a lifelong friend and, , going

into from girlhood to womanhood and.

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Our relationships with each

other and all of this different

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stuff throughout our lives.

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It's a great conversation.

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That gets really deep at some times.

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And I'm just so thankful for Emma's

willingness to talk to me and share.

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And just the amount of joy that it's

brought me from doing this interview.

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We've seen each other a lot more and

it's just fantastic and wonderful.

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And I love it so much.

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This is part one, we'll

have a part two in.

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A week.

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And let's jump right in.

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The reason why I thought you would be

a really great person just to start

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with is because you have a view of me.

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throughout almost my whole life in a

different way than like my family does.

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, you've always seen different parts of

my life and all the different phases.

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it just made sense to me that,

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I

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don't know, in talking to you,

people would learn a lot about me.

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That's where it started.

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And then the other thing that I was

thinking about, and I actually adjusted

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this as I was thinking last night, is you

and I experienced a lot of Girlhood, into

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tweens, into womanhood, into parenthood,

like all those different things.

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And I just, I, when I think about those

things, I think about you a lot of times.

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I just wanted to talk about those things

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Emma: I love it too because I think

about our friendship and I remember

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you said one time it was so easy

to not have to put the effort in.

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And friendships take so much effort, and

I'll never forget, for your wedding, you

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even asked me still to read something.

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And we hadn't been that close, but we

still, I feel like we will always be

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close, even without having to catch up.

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And so even when you asked me to

read something at your wedding, that

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meant so much to me, just to know, I

still meant something in your life.

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absolutely!

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it was just so cool, even after,

I don't know, it was just, yeah.

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Great moment.

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Lacey: Yeah.

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And I, it just, again, like I said,

I, if you asked anybody who might,

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anybody in my family, they'd be like,

your friend Emma, I'm like, yes.

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and

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your friend Alex.

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Yeah.

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Those are the people that they would name.

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Yeah.

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and I agree it's, and that's

something that I think is

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special about our friendship

and being a lifelong friendship.

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do you remember when we met?

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Fourth

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Emma: grade.

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Yeah.

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Yeah?

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Lacey: Do you remember where?

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I remember, I like, I can picture it

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Emma: Swim team.

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Lacey: The swim team.

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Emma: Oh, yeah.

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I think

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Lacey: it was a bigger deal for

me because it was you and Lauren.

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And so I was like, I have friends.

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It's

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Emma: funny because I was thinking about

this morning and I have a fourth grader.

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Yeah.

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Okay, I've got a fourth grader and a

fifth grader and there's so many times

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where I look at her friends and I think,

You have to live up to Laci's potential.

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You have to live up to Lauren.

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Oh, over there.

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I see you, Leah.

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I see you.

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And so it's just so interesting to see,

the people she surrounds herself with.

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And she's a mini me.

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And so a lot of them, I'm

like, oh, that's her Laci.

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It's just so neat because I think, yeah.

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we attract certain people in our lives.

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Yeah.

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Lacey: And I, but I

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Emma: just.

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Lacey: we met and I remember literally we

were in, was it like the Y in Springfield?

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Like it was such a random place where

we would have our pre season stuff.

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Emma: it was Trotwood.

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Was

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Lacey: it?

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I don't know.

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It might have been.

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And because I just remember thinking, Oh

my gosh, it takes forever to get there.

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Emma: Yes, and it wasn't that warm.

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Like it was always cold

and the showers were gross.

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Yeah.

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Lacey: and it was the first

time I had ever done swim team

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and all these different things.

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And I just remember being like, Oh,

okay, this isn't going to be so bad.

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And sitting next to you and Lauren

on the side of the pool, like I

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just, I have that visual in my head.

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And then, luckily, we were on

swim team all summer, and then

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we were in the same class.

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And I think, I know it sounds dumb,

but I think those are the things that

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really just solidified and made it easy.

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because I do, I think about

different periods of time.

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And a few, Months ago, I said I

was never anyone's best friend,

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and you were like, ma'am.

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Emma: I know.

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I was like, ouch.

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Do you not remember?

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Lacey: do, but I think it's one of those

things where we always think that we're

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not as important to somebody else, because

I also can think about in our friendship,

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there's always been other people that

you, and I don't know if you would

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say it the backward, would, I would be

like, that's Emma's best friend, not me.

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And I,

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that's so dumb.

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I just want to say, I know it's dumb.

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No,

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Emma: but I think we all feel that

way at times, even in our lives

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now, I'm not the person they go to.

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You know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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Lacey: but I think That set us up for

a lifelong friendship where you didn't

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always have to be the person all the time.

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And I didn't always have to be the

person all the time, but you knew I was

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always there and I knew you were always

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Emma: there.

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Absolutely.

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The pressure wasn't on.

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No.

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But I knew the minute I needed you,

you'd be right there and vice versa.

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Lacey: and it doesn't hurt that,

there was several summers where

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you essentially lived at my house.

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Emma: Oh my gosh.

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I, yes.

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Lacey: I was thinking about the other day,

the time that the, and the power went out.

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And we were, it was me,

you and my mom and dad.

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And we couldn't get into the house

cause we only used the garage.

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Emma: Why don't I remember

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Lacey: And I remember we went to Bob

Evans and I just, I don't know why.

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I just remember this moment.

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I'm like, yeah, of course I was there.

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Emma: course, yes.

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I was there for everything.

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Lacey: everything.

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Emma: you remember, I think

it's a school around here.

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Your dad had a Wendy's event.

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And we came down here

to help run the event.

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Lacey: Was it a rollerblading event?

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Yes.

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Emma: Or a bicycle or something.

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And I remember thinking, man, I'm so

gonna get a frosty at the end of this.

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I can't wait.

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and I think I ended up with a banana.

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And I was like, wait, this isn't.

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Always

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Lacey: a little more

shortchange than you thought.

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It's so

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Emma: funny because I remember every car.

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You remember the Saab?

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Lacey: Oh, I know.

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Yeah.

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Which one?

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There were three.

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Emma: And then, I was even

thinking about Brandy's car.

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It was a convertible.

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And it leaked.

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Lacey: It was Amy's car.

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Emma: Okay.

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That I got.

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Was it red?

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Lacey: the red one, because then I got it.

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Emma: And then we sang that

Lizzie McGuire song in it.

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Lacey: I have the exact same thought.

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Emma: Oh!

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Summer.

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That summer was my favorite

summer of all time.

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Lacey: I, it was the summer before

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Emma: junior year.

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Junior year.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That sophomore summer year.

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Lacey: we had more independence, we

could drive places, but life wasn't,

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Really all that complicated yet and

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Emma: were broke but still

had money to go out to eat.

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Yeah.

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Lacey: I spent a lot of time driving.

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I was trying to say, explain that to Joe.

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We were, because now that we live

in the Dayton area again, we were

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driving somewhere and he was like,

did we just get into the country?

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And I'm like, Yeah, that's how it works

up here is that you go not even a mile and

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you're going to be in the country again.

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I was like, did you guys

not just drive around?

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Emma: That is

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Lacey: what we did most of the time.

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Emma: You got lost to get found.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Oh, that was the best.

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at Bob Evans all the time.

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that was just

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Lacey: when

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Emma: When it opened, I remember

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Lacey: it opened and it was such a big

deal that we got a Bob Evans because

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it was a sit down place and there

weren't many sit down places like

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Emma: fancy.

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Lacey: was too old for us and all the cute

places in downtown tip weren't there and

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Emma: And then Applebee's.

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Do you remember going to

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Lacey: Applebee's in

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Emma: like that summer we spent

so much time in Applebee's.

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Ugh.

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Yeah.

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Lacey: I just, yeah, I,

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Emma: Can you imagine if we could

just go back to that for a week?

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Lacey: Just for a

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week.

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I don't

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Emma: I don't want much more

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Lacey: that.

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I

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Emma: My anxiety can't

handle that at this age.

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But ooh, a week.

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Maybe

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even one night.

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Just maybe one night.

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Lacey: I also think about times where

like, where it's like we would sneak

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out of our, my parents house and.

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Bob and Carolyn can handle it now, Emma.

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It's been a long time.

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but we would have the most wholesome fun.

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Emma: Oh, I know.

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It was so

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Lacey: wholesome.

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We never did anything that

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Emma: We literally were just running

through people's backyards barefoot.

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Lacey: And having so much fun.

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Emma: Oh yeah.

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I do think there were guys involved,

but it was never somebody we were

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with, like it was Jason Miller,

who we were just friends with.

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Lacey: Yeah, Jason Miller and

Shawn Ring, because they also did

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Emma: a Yes!

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They lived in the neighborhood.

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Lacey: did, a, they didn't toilet

paper my house, but they wrote, we

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were here when it was raining, and

so it was switched down, because they

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used to joke that they would watch our

TV through, my parents back windows.

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Emma: I could see them doing that.

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Yeah.

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And then, do you remember

the spit fest with Paige?

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Lacey: the what?

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Emma: Spit fest with

Paige in her driveway.

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We spit all over each other.

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that

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How do you not

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Lacey: I just maybe have

blocked that one out.

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Emma: mean, all of us.

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I think Paige didn't even

come down from her roof.

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I think she was just

sitting up on her roof.

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And yeah, we had a spit fest in

her yard, spitting on each other.

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I know, but it was like the middle of the

night also, Anyway, it's funny because

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I do your mom's hair, I do Paige's mom's

hair, and so I have talked to all of them.

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I don't know if I've actually ever told

your mom that we used to sneak out of

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your basement and I was probably the

instigator, but sometimes I think okay,

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I wasn't that terrible of an influence

because they still come to me and they

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still sit in my chair and they don't

resent me for the things I've done.

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Did with their children,

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Lacey: You are not a bad influence!

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I don't think so.

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I

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Emma: I was a little bit more

of the rebel between all of

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Lacey: yeah, but I also,

I didn't do anything.

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that was, like, I didn't even get

a detention in our entire school

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career or anything like that.

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I never got in trouble.

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I don't know, it just didn't occur.

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I guess it did occur to me.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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But I never would do

anything I wasn't comfortable

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That is something that I

know I, I did have some.

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Yeah.

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And looking back now, I don't want my

children to know this, but if they did the

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things that I did as far as like sneaking

out and what we did, I would be okay with

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Emma: too.

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Oh yeah.

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Lacey: that's part of figuring

out your independence and part of

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becoming

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who you are and testing boundaries

and I still think about some of

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the times when we did have conflict

about it and it did not Go well.

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and that, but that was a

learning experience for me.

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I love you're just like deep in

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Emma: Cause I don't, I, there's so

many things that I don't remember.

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I My mom always says, did you

block out your entire childhood?

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And I'm like, I don't think I

blocked out the entire thing, but

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there's so many moments that I don't

remember, but majority of them were

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in your basement, or in your kitchen,

or Do you remember the cha cha?

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What was it?

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Lacey: the cha cha?

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Emma: We did your kitchen was a

runway where we did a catwalk.

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The catwalk song.

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Yeah.

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In your kitchen over and

over for probably an hour.

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And your parents never stopped us.

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Lacey: I don't remember

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Emma: don't think I would let my children

do that, because I would be so annoyed,

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and they were just like, yeah, go for it.

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Lacey: Yeah, I don't, yeah,

I don't remember that.

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being in the basement,

especially before it got

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Emma: before.

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Lacey: and we would, roll around

on the ab rollers and stuff.

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And we would

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Emma: each other.

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Yeah.

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Oh, man.

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Lacey: Yeah, those are like,

when I think about girlhood,

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it's more, Closer to that time.

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Emma: Yes.

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And like the, whatever scary

thing that was in your closet

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for the Christmas decoration that

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Lacey: the homemade Santa that my parents

made that haunted your nightmares.

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Emma: All the time, yes.

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But that's what I, that's what

I think about, that fun we had.

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Yeah.

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I hope my kids get that, like you said.

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I'm just like, oh, I want

them to have those memories.

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Lacey: And I want them.

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I don't want to be a part of them.

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that's something else that I,

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I

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think my parents did a really good job

of being available for us, but they

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were not hovering or anything like that.

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I think they had a really good

balance of that and I appreciate that.

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Emma: I think you are so lucky that

your mom is so wise, but yet she's

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so discerning on probably giving you

ideas, but never telling you what to do.

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And just knowing her now as an adult,

but also looking back on our childhood

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and thinking about the things and

how she was involved, but yet, It

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was always in such a positive light.

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she was always there to help.

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She was always there to take care of us.

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She was so nurturing.

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But it was never like,

you should do it this way.

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And it's just, that's unheard of.

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Lacey: Because I do think of some of our

friends where we didn't go to their house

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because it was like, you have to do things

this way and this way and all this stuff.

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And I remember going to Lauren's house

once and I was talking about a comedian

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and I'm like, and he doesn't curse.

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And you guys were like, Oh, And

I'm like, it's a good thing.

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Emma: Yeah.

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that's good

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Lacey: thing that

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Emma: That is such

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Lacey: but it's just that it

existed that it was like, that it

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would be a thing I think consider.

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So I do know what you mean

when it comes to that.

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Emma: work.

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She was so good.

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Yeah.

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Lacey: Carolyn's the bomb.

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if there is one outcome of this podcast,

it's mostly that Carolyn's the bomb.

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Emma: just, yeah.

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I'm bragging about how amazing we all want

to be Carolyn Bradley when we grow up.

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Lacey: she would think is crazy.

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Like, why would we want that?

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yeah.

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Emma: She's so good.

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But okay, let's talk about

your sisters because, and Rob.

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It's funny because looking back

also, I feel like I remember more

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memories of being around York.

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Family, which is wild because you're so

distant in age from the older ones, but

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yet they still included you in so much.

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And so so many of my memories when

I was at your house involved your

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sisters and them either taking us

places or hanging out with us or

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Kira doing our makeup on Christmas.

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Do you remember that?

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Lacey: No, I believe you though.

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Emma: I think I brought over a

new kit and she's let's play.

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And she like sat and did our

makeup and Borrowing Becky's shorts

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Lacey: and,

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Emma: and Amy driving us all

over and taking us to the movies

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Lacey: movie,

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Emma: and then hanging out in

Brandi's room in the basement.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Lacey: because she had a cat,

and I was so excited about

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Emma: it.

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Yes, and we had to play

with the cat and watch WWE.

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Lacey: It's funny that you say that,

because I, In my mind, my childhood

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was not spent with my family,

like with my siblings very often.

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I spent a lot of time one

on one with my mom and dad.

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And so it's funny to hear you say that.

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Now, I do remember, the frustration.

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I'll never forget Rob being like,

damn it, I have to take you to

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Emma: Emma's.

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And I'm

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Lacey: yeah, you do.

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Emma: you do!

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So far out there, isn't it?

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I know Matt was saying the other day,

the girls have volleyball and they don't

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get out till 840 and that's really late.

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And he's Will you just see if they

can find a friend to bring them home?

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And I instantly, locked

up, We can't do that.

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We can't do that to them.

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Because I live so far away that

I still remember having to ask

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my friends, Can you take me home?

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And then being like, oh, like my, I

even had a couple that would drop me off

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at the end of the driveway because my

driveway was a quarter of a mile long, and

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they're like, okay, I'll take you home,

but I'm not going down your driveway.

415

:

Lacey: Rob did that to

me at a certain point.

416

:

I'm not getting

417

:

Emma: my car dirty.

418

:

It's so long, I know.

419

:

Yes, and the potholes,

and yes, oh my goodness.

420

:

Lacey: But, I was trying to explain to Joe

that your house growing up was also like,

421

:

almost like this other reality for us

422

:

Emma: was an island.

423

:

Lacey: was out in the middle of nowhere.

424

:

and so I just, it was another kind of

space for that like rebellious, but

425

:

also very innocuous in a lot of ways.

426

:

I just, I think I hear other people's

stories of growing up and I'm like, man,

427

:

Emma: man.

428

:

I know.

429

:

The things we could have done

that we didn't do because we

430

:

were too busy being dorks.

431

:

we were playing in the barn, or, do you

432

:

Lacey: away from the goat, because it

would charge us every once in a while.

433

:

Emma: about that goat all the time.

434

:

And I don't even think,

that's a part of my life.

435

:

That Matt will never know, my husband,

and I'm like, you'll never know that side

436

:

of me, no matter how many times I tell

you this story, you just don't get it.

437

:

Yeah.

438

:

And so that is

439

:

Lacey: you now, you probably wouldn't

know, Emma would drive us around on

440

:

a gator and go as fast as possible.

441

:

Oh my gosh.

442

:

Emma: gosh, thank you for saying that,

because that is proof that I was fun.

443

:

Because now I'm the one that's

no, we can't go too fast.

444

:

No, I'm the, yeah, scaredy cat.

445

:

Lacey: I would say that's been a

big shift that I, you were more,

446

:

I don't want, I don't want to say reckless

because I don't think you were reckless,

447

:

but you were more comfortable with risk.

448

:

Okay.

449

:

Emma: I think I got drunk in the eighth

grade and went to a football game,

450

:

Lacey: See, and those

things, I wasn't part of.

451

:

Emma: Nope.

452

:

Yeah, that was my rebel phase.

453

:

Lacey: it, but it's so funny because

nobody ever, like you guys, nobody,

454

:

everybody just kept that away

455

:

Emma: from me.

456

:

Lacey: me.

457

:

Emma: And it's weird, because I think

there were moments where you were

458

:

there, but it wasn't, we knew better

than to even, And it wasn't like,

459

:

no, we shouldn't offer that to Laci.

460

:

It was just like, oh no, more for me.

461

:

I

462

:

Lacey: was oblivious a lot.

463

:

Emma: Yeah, it's for the best, really.

464

:

Which

465

:

Lacey: is fine.

466

:

I, it is funny, like I said, now that,

467

:

I don't know if you've heard

me talk about human design,

468

:

Emma: Yes, manifester.

469

:

manifester.

470

:

Yes.

471

:

Lacey: And part of being a manifester is

that I have what's called a closed aura,

472

:

which at first I was so offended by.

473

:

I'm like, oh my gosh, do people think I'm

this closed off person and all this stuff?

474

:

And it's no, it's just that

I'm able to keep stuff back.

475

:

But it also means back.

476

:

people, I don't get a lot of stuff

that other people get because they

477

:

don't feel like they can do it to

478

:

me.

479

:

There's just something about my

aura or whatever that's like that.

480

:

And I think about times like that

where I'm like, huh, that was that

481

:

Emma: in place, wasn't it?

482

:

Lacey: it?

483

:

They were just like, yeah,

that's not going to be for her.

484

:

And that's just how everybody was.

485

:

It was okay.

486

:

Yeah.

487

:

Emma: It's almost yeah, we, but I also

think you've always been one that we

488

:

always wanted to respect, in a way,

because it was like, no, because you

489

:

are so good at being well mannered.

490

:

I don't want to say a perfectionist,

but you're always one that never

491

:

wanted to really tiptoe the lines.

492

:

And so I think for a long time there

were so many moments where it was like,

493

:

oh no, we can't get her in trouble.

494

:

I don't care if I get in trouble,

but we can't get Lacey in trouble.

495

:

oh, yeah.

496

:

Lacey: Again, conversations that.

497

:

yeah.

498

:

I do, look back now at times and

I'm like, oh, that's probably why

499

:

I wasn't invited to that or why

this didn't, and I don't care now.

500

:

At the time, I was probably devastated.

501

:

Emma: I know, I think about so

many times where even just middle

502

:

school, there was like a table that

people would sit at and it was like.

503

:

Oh, I want to be invited

to sit at that table.

504

:

And now I look back, I'm like,

thank gosh, I wasn't at that

505

:

table because we had so much fun.

506

:

do you remember taking a bag of chips

and breaking it up into a million pieces

507

:

and then putting it on the sandwich?

508

:

Like that.

509

:

Lacey: See, and it's funny that you say

that because I, and this is all made

510

:

up stuff, I just want to be very clear.

511

:

I always felt like you were

like the most popular girl ever.

512

:

Emma: No.

513

:

Yes.

514

:

You are hilarious.

515

:

No, thank you for saying that.

516

:

But at the same time, I do feel like I've

always been a people pleaser like you.

517

:

So I always wanted to be well liked.

518

:

But at the end of the day, I feel

like I know who I want to be around.

519

:

I don't know, and that's something that's

been a bigger in my life as I've gotten

520

:

older is like I'm very protective of

the energy I put out of who I'm around.

521

:

And I feel like even as a kid,

there were times that I was like

522

:

that without really knowing it.

523

:

Where I was more guarded because I knew

they would probably hurt my feelings.

524

:

And I wasn't willing to put

myself in that situation.

525

:

Lacey: Yeah,

526

:

Emma: But, I think back on even

junior high, we had so much fun.

527

:

Like, When I think about junior high,

freshman year, sophomore year, even just

528

:

that one day, do you remember there was

one day, I think it was after a dance,

529

:

you, me, and Lauren went down to the park

and then we went to the dollar store and

530

:

Lacey: I got hit by the car?

531

:

Emma: no, but we do have

to circle back to that.

532

:

But it was just like a

beautiful spring day.

533

:

I think it was after like the spring

dance and Yumi and Lauren went to the

534

:

dollar store and we got silly little

things like a picture frame and we

535

:

just laid on the bridge by the creek

and we just had this like magical day.

536

:

I can probably find pictures

from it, but it was just like

537

:

the most perfect spring day.

538

:

And I was just like, this life is good.

539

:

Yeah.

540

:

Lacey: There were a lot of those days.

541

:

Emma: I do feel like Tip City as

a whole, looking at it, there's

542

:

negative connotations to it,

but also the simplicity of how

543

:

easy life was, it was safe.

544

:

let's get real.

545

:

That town is pretty safe.

546

:

But also, just, it's a little

podunky to where those simple

547

:

things, Made us so happy.

548

:

Lacey: it's suburban

idyllic in a lot of ways.

549

:

I

550

:

was so ignorant to so much, which I am

simultaneously grateful for and sad about,

551

:

and it's hard to reconcile those two

552

:

Emma: Yes, absolutely.

553

:

Lacey: obviously, there's a lot that I

just was oblivious to, just because I'm

554

:

me, let alone because I lived there.

555

:

Emma: Oh no.

556

:

When I moved to Cincinnati, I felt so

embarrassed and shamed of how ignorant

557

:

my mindset was because of how I grew up.

558

:

But at the same time, I

was so eager to learn that.

559

:

Lacey: You've always been a

very open minded person though.

560

:

I feel like that shame is probably

more self imposed because you want it.

561

:

Emma: maybe not.

562

:

shame's not the best word.

563

:

I guess it would be more

564

:

embarrassed.

565

:

Like I should have known better.

566

:

yeah, Like, how did I not know that?

567

:

Lacey: There are a lot of things

that I'm like, I didn't know

568

:

Emma: I know man,

569

:

Lacey: but I do wanna say, I wanna

have little chapters of our life

570

:

because I would say junior high

into that early part of high school

571

:

was really, you and I were very

572

:

Emma: Yes.

573

:

Freshman homecoming.

574

:

Best dance ever.

575

:

Lacey: It was just the girls.

576

:

Emma: Just the girls.

577

:

Yeah.

578

:

And your dad made us dinner.

579

:

Lacey: Yeah, that sounds right.

580

:

Emma: That steak, I still think about.

581

:

That shrimp cocktail, still think about.

582

:

And there was probably some

bomb dessert that was amazing.

583

:

Lacey: was probably gator

584

:

Emma: Sitting at the table

with the candles lit.

585

:

And it was just the greatest experience.

586

:

no dance will ever top that.

587

:

Lacey: Yeah.

588

:

And it was our first dance too,

589

:

Emma: Yeah.

590

:

And it was in the old high

school, which was, Rough.

591

:

Hot.

592

:

Do you remember how hot

593

:

Lacey: I do remember how hot it was.

594

:

There's a couple pictures where you

can just see the sweat on people's

595

:

Emma: I know.

596

:

What did we do after?

597

:

Lacey: I don't know.

598

:

Emma: I feel like we had to

have spent the night at your

599

:

Lacey: That's my guess.

600

:

Yeah.

601

:

but then I would say

maybe late high school.

602

:

We weren't necessarily as

close, but again, still, because

603

:

you were like working a lot,

you were doing cheerleading.

604

:

Emma: I fell off the map my senior year.

605

:

Yeah.

606

:

I did.

607

:

I only was at the high school one class.

608

:

and I also was dating Aaron

and lived in Cincinnati at that

609

:

time, but to loop back around.

610

:

Yeah.

611

:

Lacey: After that, when we, when I went

to college, you were living in Cincinnati

612

:

then, and you would come pick me up at my

dorm, and we would just go out and about.

613

:

Emma: Do you remember me

cutting your hair in the dorm?

614

:

Lacey: Yes, I do.

615

:

Emma: The dorm bathroom.

616

:

And

617

:

Lacey: it was such a gross

618

:

Emma: I know.

619

:

Do you remember your, yeah, and

that was your freshman, roommate.

620

:

Lacey: Takara.

621

:

Yeah.

622

:

Emma: Also, not to bring up food

again, but I also remember one of my

623

:

favorite memories of when I was 19

was that you took me to the cafeteria.

624

:

So with not going to college, I didn't

understand how cafeterias worked.

625

:

And you swiped your card for me.

626

:

Yeah.

627

:

And it was.

628

:

An all you can eat buffet.

629

:

And so now when you talk

about the Travis Kelsey thing.

630

:

Yeah.

631

:

I think about that cafeteria.

632

:

I'm like, oh, I've been

in there and it is good.

633

:

Top notch quality campus food.

634

:

Yeah,

635

:

Lacey: when I passed out and you

weren't that was Mel was there that day.

636

:

Yeah, it was a special

637

:

Emma: day.

638

:

Yeah.

639

:

Lacey: but I would say we stayed

pretty tight during that time for sure.

640

:

I would say it was mostly

when you moved back up to TIP.

641

:

Emma: And then I had a couple kids.

642

:

Lacey: Yeah,

643

:

Emma: Yeah, that usually gets in the way.

644

:

Lacey: And it's

645

:

Emma: I know.

646

:

Mhm.

647

:

Mhm.

648

:

Lacey: I will say, I associate you

with some of the most difficult times.

649

:

Emma: I'm so sorry.

650

:

Lacey: No, not, it was never your fault.

651

:

It was always like, I had to be

brave to be a good friend to you.

652

:

I was like, Oh my gosh,

I'm going to throw up.

653

:

Emma: I actually, to be honest,

you are taken out of that equation.

654

:

Yes.

655

:

So don't worry.

656

:

Like

657

:

Lacey: it's so funny because I'm like,

because I did, I worried for a while.

658

:

? Emma: No, not at all.

659

:

No, no.

660

:

Because

661

:

Lacey: somebody had brought

something to me because they

662

:

knew I was friends with you.

663

:

And I was like, oh.

664

:

Emma: It is funny, because when

I, yeah, I hear that name, and

665

:

I'm like, oh, that's so funny.

666

:

That's funny.

667

:

She delivered some news to me,

but at the same time she was wise

668

:

because I at that time was so

in denial that I was like, nope,

669

:

Lacey: Kudos to her for being brave.

670

:

Emma: I, and absolutely because

I, after that scenario, I had so

671

:

many people come up to me and go, I

saw and I just couldn't tell you.

672

:

And every time somebody says that to

me, I literally just seriously, like you

673

:

don't respect me enough to think that I

should deserve to know that information.

674

:

So when I was actually dating.

675

:

I, got on dating sites.

676

:

I saw someone's husband on there

and I screenshot it and it took

677

:

me two days to come up with

the courage to send it to her.

678

:

And she was like, actually,

we're already separated.

679

:

I just haven't put it on Facebook.

680

:

And I was like, Oh, thank God.

681

:

Lacey: I have a my stomach hurts now

thinking about how I felt that day

682

:

Emma: I know.

683

:

been through it all.

684

:

They say

685

:

Lacey: we have.

686

:

We've I think since then we've

been a little bit more, space, but.

687

:

Emma: thank God for technology.

688

:

Yeah, I think that is such a good thing

because I can still keep up with your

689

:

life I still know what you're doing.

690

:

I still get to see your babies I still get

to like partake in everything and actually

691

:

having your mom as a client I get to catch

up with everything like oh, how's Becky?

692

:

How's Lacey?

693

:

but also The benefit of social

media is that I get to see you but

694

:

I also feel like that takes away

695

:

Lacey: The need to reach out.

696

:

Yes.

697

:

Emma: in a negative way.

698

:

Yeah.

699

:

and even as I was driving over here today,

I was like, oh man, it's five minutes

700

:

Lacey: I know.

701

:

It's so close, Ev.

702

:

Emma: so embarrassed that I

haven't been over here yet.

703

:

you just wait.

704

:

We're coming over every day in the summer.

705

:

You think I spent a lot

of time in your basement.

706

:

Lacey: time in your basement.

707

:

Emma: Now that I know

how cute your house is.

708

:

Lacey: We have a great backyard.

709

:

Oh, I see the

710

:

Emma: I see the fence.

711

:

I'm like, oh, we could just let the kids

out there and not even worry about them.

712

:

That's

713

:

Lacey: that's my dream.

714

:

Oh.

715

:

Yeah.

716

:

I want to get a play set so

I truly can just be like, go

717

:

occupy yourselves, please.

718

:

So we've had those different periods of

719

:

Emma: What,

720

:

looking back, what was

your favorite season?

721

:

Lacey: I would agree that time where

we were early adolescence, 8th.

722

:

Freshman?

723

:

Yeah.

724

:

I remember hating 7th grade.

725

:

I don't know why.

726

:

But I remember eighth grade being okay.

727

:

Sophomore year was a big turning year

for me because, I got my braces off.

728

:

I've looked the same since sophomore

729

:

Emma: year.

730

:

Yes, exactly.

731

:

Yes.

732

:

100%.

733

:

Lacey: I also, that's when I

would say I had my glow up in

734

:

life is during sophomore year.

735

:

That's when I got my car.

736

:

And I do just think about.

737

:

I had a convertible and it was

the greatest thing possible.

738

:

Do you, were you in the car

when we were driving and Paige

739

:

was in the passenger seat?

740

:

I want to say you were in the back

and somebody else's back there.

741

:

And we were had the card at the top down

and we pulled up next to a car and it was

742

:

like an older gentleman in a cowboy hat

743

:

And

744

:

Emma: and he just had to pee.

745

:

Yes!

746

:

Lacey: and she rolled up the

747

:

Emma: window.

748

:

Yes!

749

:

I think Sarah Groom was in there too.

750

:

Yes!

751

:

Yes!

752

:

She was in the back with me.

753

:

Oh, was she?

754

:

Yes!

755

:

I will

756

:

Lacey: never forget that moment

of Paige, there isn't a ceiling.

757

:

Emma: I know.

758

:

That is one of those days where I

feel like we were driving up and down.

759

:

I'm going to call it Poe

Avenue, but that's not right.

760

:

Miller Lane.

761

:

For some reason we were at Miller Lane.

762

:

Yeah.

763

:

I don't think that instance was at

Miller Lane, but I remember driving

764

:

up and down Miller Lane listening to

that Lizzie McGuire song over and over.

765

:

you

766

:

Lacey: going to see the

Lizzie McGuire movie?

767

:

Oh yeah.

768

:

Because that is another

canon moment for me too.

769

:

Yes.

770

:

Because it was one of the first times

where it was like, oh, we're old

771

:

enough that we got dropped off at.

772

:

Cece's Pizza.

773

:

We got and ate our pizza and paid for it

ourselves and then we went over to the

774

:

dollar store and bought stuff and then

we walked to the movie theater and saw

775

:

the movie together and I think that's

part of the reason why I will always

776

:

love that movie is because I associate

it with that day and that experience.

777

:

Yeah

778

:

Emma: And officially feeling

like I am a grown up.

779

:

Yeah.

780

:

Lacey: I remember just being like,

781

:

heck yeah.

782

:

Emma: freedom!

783

:

Yes.

784

:

Lacey: We're old enough to do this now.

785

:

Emma: feel like we even

had pictures from that.

786

:

And I think I was burnt.

787

:

Was it summer?

788

:

It must have been summer.

789

:

Lacey: Do you want to talk

about when I got hit by the

790

:

Emma: Yes.

791

:

Please.

792

:

let's Small Town, USA.

793

:

Four traffic lights.

794

:

We were on a side street.

795

:

There's a grocery store right there.

796

:

Do you remember we were, why

were we even down, were we on

797

:

Lacey: We were coming back from the pool.

798

:

We were on bikes.

799

:

Okay,

800

:

Emma: pause.

801

:

I think about all the time that our

parents let us ride our bikes to the pool.

802

:

What age was that?

803

:

Because there is no way that I would

ever let my 5th grader ride her bike to

804

:

Lacey: want to say it

was seventh and eighth

805

:

Emma: Okay,

806

:

that makes more sense.

807

:

Lacey: Rode our bikes to the pool.

808

:

Here's the, here's what

I remember about it.

809

:

I was in the back and I

was always getting left

810

:

Emma: so

811

:

Lacey: I was like, damn it,

I'm going to be in the front.

812

:

And literally the next

block, I was in the front.

813

:

And looking back now, I'm

814

:

Emma: like,

815

:

Lacey: everybody was

wrong in this scenario.

816

:

Where there was somebody, she

was a young, She was probably

817

:

like, what, 18, girl, driving.

818

:

She was at a stop sign

and it is a tight turn.

819

:

Like it's, the building goes very

close to the sidewalk, to the street.

820

:

And got to the sidewalk, she was stopped,

I kept going, the, and she hit me, not

821

:

very hard, but enough to knock me down.

822

:

Oh

823

:

Emma: Oh yes, like

straight up hit by a car.

824

:

Lacey: And then I popped up and

was like, everything's okay, no

825

:

one look at me, no one talk to

me, and I was like, we're going.

826

:

And then we got 10 feet down the

road, and I heard the sirens,

827

:

Emma: and you have to think, back then

there weren't really cell phones, so

828

:

somebody must have saw it and just called.

829

:

And do you remember

how many vehicles came?

830

:

That was when I learned that every time

an ambulance comes, a fire truck comes.

831

:

Yeah.

832

:

And four police cars.

833

:

And I feel like there were

two fire trucks, just in case.

834

:

Lacey: I just, I remember, all I

remember is the mortification of

835

:

it, of one, I got hit by a car.

836

:

Emma: I know.

837

:

And probably your adrenaline

was going so strong.

838

:

And

839

:

Lacey: had to make the point

that I wanted to be in the front.

840

:

Emma: That's alright.

841

:

Lacey: Like that

842

:

Emma: part is

843

:

Lacey: solidified in my mind and,

I just wanted to walk it off.

844

:

I didn't want to deal with it.

845

:

And nope, the universe

did not let that happen.

846

:

Emma: you weren't going

to get away this time.

847

:

I can remember just thinking,

we're all going to get in trouble.

848

:

Lacey: trouble.

849

:

This

850

:

Emma: this was probably my fault.

851

:

How are we all going to

get in trouble right now?

852

:

Lacey: No, I, Everyone was

853

:

Emma: man.

854

:

And your parents came, didn't they?

855

:

I feel like they came, yes.

856

:

Lacey: Probably.

857

:

It would have been I would hope

858

:

Emma: I would hope they

859

:

Lacey: my 8th grader got hit by

a car, then I would get called.

860

:

Emma: That is the wild part about

our childhood too, because your

861

:

parents were home all of the time.

862

:

Lacey: My, my parents worked out of

the house before other people did that.

863

:

Yeah,

864

:

Emma: That didn't exist.

865

:

But I remember your dad's office.

866

:

You did not go in those doors.

867

:

He just, if he was in

there, he was doing work.

868

:

But it was so interesting because

every time we were there, your

869

:

parents were always there and that

was so comforting in a weird way.

870

:

Where I think most kids want

the parents not to be home.

871

:

But can we discuss frozen burritos?

872

:

Lacey: Really?

873

:

Emma: Yeah.

874

:

As long

875

:

Lacey: Spray, butter from your house.

876

:

Emma: house.

877

:

Easy Mac, PB& J.

878

:

I asked this question on my story the

other day, and the responses were so sad.

879

:

it was just like, oh, really?

880

:

That's what you had?

881

:

there were Dunkaroos.

882

:

Somebody said Dunkaroos.

883

:

But I feel like my house was

PB& J, Easy Mac, spray butter,

884

:

Lacey: And we, there were some, we

tried to bake with the spray butter.

885

:

That was always the

886

:

Emma: We always tried to make cookies.

887

:

Lacey: And we never stopped.

888

:

Emma: were successful.

889

:

And they never really tasted good.

890

:

Lacey: But I'd make cookies.

891

:

We ate the dough.

892

:

I don't, did we ever

even cook the cookies?

893

:

Emma: No, but I still feel like I

remember the smell of your pantry.

894

:

It was funny.

895

:

Cause I remember the smell of your

basement before it got finished.

896

:

And then I remembered the smell of

your basement after it got finished

897

:

and they were two completely different.

898

:

It's very sad, but okay, the frozen

burritos, you'd wrap it in a paper towel.

899

:

You'd put it in your microwave, 30

seconds, flip it another 30 seconds,

900

:

put it on the plate, sour cream.

901

:

You always had salsa.

902

:

Who always has salsa in the refrigerator?

903

:

You guys always did.

904

:

And it was just this always

there kind of situation that

905

:

was so reliable and so yummy.

906

:

Lacey: It sounds like my household

was just a reliable place

907

:

Emma: It was.

908

:

I think that's, and you have always

been that for me, where even during my

909

:

wedding, everything was so chaotic and

you were just this anchor in the entire

910

:

storm of my life, where you were just

like peace and you knew what to do.

911

:

And you were the person I

took wedding shopping dress.

912

:

Do you remember that?

913

:

I do.

914

:

I didn't take family.

915

:

I didn't take, no, I took Lacey.

916

:

My bridesmaid with me to

go find my wedding dress.

917

:

Actually, we went before

I was even engaged.

918

:

I think I was probably 18 at the time.

919

:

Lacey: we went, yeah, and we went

to the David's Bridal in Kenwood.

920

:

Yep,

921

:

Emma: and we had to

pretend a bunch of stuff.

922

:

Yeah, and then actually I

think I got engaged at 19.

923

:

So then we actually went

back to Wendy's at 19.

924

:

Yeah, that's hilarious.

925

:

And you were just always that

stable, reliable, always there.

926

:

Lacey: Can I say how

grateful I am to hear that?

927

:

Because I don't feel like that

person anymore since I've been

928

:

sick.

929

:

I feel like I can't show up anymore.

930

:

So to hear that you, one, had

that perception of me, and I was

931

:

right that was who I was, but

that you still see that in me.

932

:

Emma: I think you are still that person.

933

:

It just goes to show.

934

:

Maybe for other people will come off.

935

:

if I know if I'm going to text

you, you're going to text me back.

936

:

Yeah.

937

:

So you're still that same person,

just maybe physically you have

938

:

a little bit more limitations.

939

:

Yeah.

940

:

But that doesn't affect who you are.

941

:

Lacey: It's hard to not, when you think of

yourself in a certain way, because that's

942

:

what kind of friend I would always like

to think I am, is that maybe I was not,

943

:

like I said, I didn't think I was people's

best friend, but I knew, I think people

944

:

knew if they ever needed me, I was there.

945

:

and so then when I get sick,

got sick, it was just hard.

946

:

to realize that I can't

be there in the same way.

947

:

and even honestly, no one's

been like, Laci, I need you.

948

:

But, I, the, not having the

ability to do that is hard.

949

:

Yeah.

950

:

It's but is that still part of me?

951

:

And obviously it is.

952

:

I know logically.

953

:

I think the, as I get older, the more I

learn about friendships is that I care

954

:

less about what someone would think

is like quality of I spend all this

955

:

time with this person, like a TV show

friends, like that type of friendship.

956

:

I don't.

957

:

want and or need that.

958

:

I don't.

959

:

And that I value the people who

want the most from me but expect the

960

:

Emma: Yes.

961

:

Lacey: And I mean that in a very great

way of I would love to have all of

962

:

this time with you, but I love any

963

:

time I get

964

:

Emma: you.

965

:

Very much quality over quantity.

966

:

Yes.

967

:

Yes, and like even one deep, vulnerable

conversation would mean more than

968

:

years worth of simple dinners where

stupid conversations discussed.

969

:

You know what I mean?

970

:

Yeah.

971

:

Yeah.

972

:

Lacey: Yeah.

973

:

I will say, it makes me sad, and maybe

this can change, that our, your girls

974

:

don't really know me very well, and

that my kids don't really know you.

975

:

Actually really upsets me.

976

:

Me too.

977

:

Okay.

978

:

Emma: could not agree.

979

:

and the fact of I was explaining all

these things to Matt, I'm like, oh, that's

980

:

not, I'm like, you don't really know her.

981

:

you're my husband.

982

:

How do you not know that piece of my life?

983

:

Because she's so important.

984

:

she makes up a large

percentage of who I am.

985

:

The fact that you don't know that

makes me feel like you don't know me.

986

:

Yeah.

987

:

Yeah.

988

:

And now that you don't know my kids

and my kids don't know your kids, but.

989

:

I think this is so good, too,

because I feel like this is, a

990

:

shifting point, like a pivot.

991

:

okay, how can we make this more?

992

:

Yeah.

993

:

Yeah.

994

:

Lacey: Yeah, because I agree.

995

:

I, because that's one of the things

that I've always been jealous of Leah.

996

:

So Leah is, our mutual friend, but

really has been your friend since what?

997

:

Emma: Yeah.

998

:

Lacey: is that I feel like she

has such a special relationship

999

:

with everybody in your life.

:

00:39:18,834 --> 00:39:19,524

And I'm like, Oh, yeah.

:

00:39:20,094 --> 00:39:22,744

I don't have that, but I'm

more and more okay with it.

:

00:39:26,444 --> 00:39:33,064

Emma: she is, she's just one that

I will open up my Snapchat and I

:

00:39:33,074 --> 00:39:37,094

haven't responded in five days and

she still has texted me every single

:

00:39:37,094 --> 00:39:38,634

day and I'm like, oh, you're still

:

00:39:38,754 --> 00:39:39,249

Lacey: still

:

00:39:39,544 --> 00:39:41,384

Emma: Hi, you haven't given up on me.

:

00:39:42,224 --> 00:39:45,234

Lacey: and I think I, I enjoy

your all's friendship because

:

00:39:45,234 --> 00:39:46,854

you're so different in life now.

:

00:39:46,854 --> 00:39:47,634

Yes.

:

00:39:47,634 --> 00:39:47,844

I

:

00:39:47,934 --> 00:39:50,344

Emma: Could not be more

opposite with everything.

:

00:39:50,384 --> 00:39:53,424

Lacey: I know, but I enjoy

how much you enjoy each other.

:

00:39:53,474 --> 00:39:57,909

as a, I think that is something

that, again, as you get rid of, that

:

00:39:57,909 --> 00:40:02,629

mentality of, being the most important

person, you get to see and enjoy your

:

00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:04,199

friend's relationships with other

:

00:40:04,639 --> 00:40:07,489

Emma: Absolutely, I think about Alex

and how she was the one here helping

:

00:40:07,489 --> 00:40:11,099

you with your house and like putting

things together, I'm like, I am so

:

00:40:11,099 --> 00:40:16,289

grateful and I cherish that you have

that person that can just swoop in and

:

00:40:16,289 --> 00:40:19,939

take over when you need it and you know

she's going to do it probably better

:

00:40:19,939 --> 00:40:21,059

than what you would have even done.

:

00:40:21,364 --> 00:40:22,874

Lacey: she got, she

hung all the pictures in

:

00:40:23,019 --> 00:40:23,419

Emma: the couch.

:

00:40:23,419 --> 00:40:23,979

Exactly.

:

00:40:26,176 --> 00:40:26,414

Lacey: just

:

00:40:26,459 --> 00:40:28,249

Emma: a level like, okay, we can do this.

:

00:40:28,318 --> 00:40:28,944

Lacey: can do this.

:

00:40:29,789 --> 00:40:30,974

this and just never start.

:

00:40:31,019 --> 00:40:31,369

Emma: No.

:

00:40:31,539 --> 00:40:31,779

No.

:

00:40:31,999 --> 00:40:33,409

We would just sit on

the couch and watch TV.

:

00:40:34,699 --> 00:40:35,729

Or make a frozen burrito.

:

00:40:35,729 --> 00:40:36,339

Let's get real.

:

00:40:36,574 --> 00:40:39,524

Lacey: I don't have frozen burritos,

but now I'm like, we should get some.

:

00:40:39,534 --> 00:40:39,919

Emma: I know.

:

00:40:39,919 --> 00:40:40,849

Like, where do you think they are?

:

00:40:41,329 --> 00:40:41,729

I'll figure

:

00:40:41,784 --> 00:40:43,584

Lacey: they've got to have

some at Costco, right?

:

00:40:43,609 --> 00:40:44,619

Emma: Oh, definitely.

:

00:40:45,419 --> 00:40:45,989

Definitely.

:

00:40:46,369 --> 00:40:46,709

Lacey: Definitely.

:

00:40:46,709 --> 00:40:47,119

got to have some

:

00:40:47,894 --> 00:40:50,334

Emma: I know Whole Foods has them,

but they're probably more crunchy.

:

00:40:50,439 --> 00:40:51,459

beans involved.

:

00:40:51,609 --> 00:40:51,849

Yeah.

:

00:40:52,059 --> 00:40:53,169

No, but there were beans.

:

00:40:53,169 --> 00:40:53,439

There were

:

00:40:53,489 --> 00:40:56,579

Lacey: be refried and meat esque

:

00:40:56,929 --> 00:40:58,464

Emma: Taco Bell, quality meat.

:

00:40:58,464 --> 00:40:58,584

Yes.

:

00:40:58,639 --> 00:40:59,269

And Taco Bell.

:

00:40:59,269 --> 00:41:00,349

Quality refried beans.

:

00:41:00,379 --> 00:41:02,809

'cause sometimes I think the

beans are still like beans.

:

00:41:02,839 --> 00:41:03,799

no, I just want mush.

:

00:41:04,159 --> 00:41:05,119

Lacey: Yes, exactly.

:

00:41:05,149 --> 00:41:08,019

No, this should have gone

through some kind of industrial

:

00:41:08,509 --> 00:41:10,159

Emma: Yes, exactly.

:

00:41:10,879 --> 00:41:12,979

Like virtually cat food

wrapped in a burrito.

:

00:41:13,209 --> 00:41:13,749

Oh, man.

:

00:41:14,409 --> 00:41:16,829

Lacey: It's funny that

you remember the burritos.

:

00:41:16,829 --> 00:41:18,249

I don't remember the burritos.

:

00:41:18,809 --> 00:41:23,299

Emma: You know what is a pivotal life

changing moment that I had because of you?

:

00:41:24,869 --> 00:41:25,959

I met Hanson.

:

00:41:26,829 --> 00:41:27,314

Lacey: Yes.

:

00:41:27,649 --> 00:41:29,449

Emma: Taylor Hanson.

:

00:41:29,449 --> 00:41:33,679

And I will say, they always say,

don't meet your celebrity crush.

:

00:41:34,579 --> 00:41:38,909

I get it now because after that

day, It just wasn't the same.

:

00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:43,289

It wasn't, I had him on a soapbox and

now he's just sitting on the ground.

:

00:41:43,739 --> 00:41:44,139

But

:

00:41:44,339 --> 00:41:46,539

Lacey: shorter than you'd

expect, I think, too.

:

00:41:46,569 --> 00:41:46,969

I don't know.

:

00:41:46,969 --> 00:41:47,929

He just was small.

:

00:41:47,939 --> 00:41:49,859

Emma: It was really early

in the morning also.

:

00:41:49,889 --> 00:41:50,239

It probably was.

:

00:41:50,289 --> 00:41:53,419

But that was still one of

the best days of my life.

:

00:41:53,944 --> 00:41:57,564

sitting in that little studio downtown

Dayton, I remember getting up at the crack

:

00:41:57,564 --> 00:42:03,344

of dawn, your dad running through and

getting frosties for the entire band, and

:

00:42:03,354 --> 00:42:08,154

just getting down there, and the fact that

you invited me to that, forever grateful.

:

00:42:08,204 --> 00:42:09,184

Lacey: It's so funny.

:

00:42:09,504 --> 00:42:14,384

Wendy's was such a big part

of my life, and I don't know

:

00:42:14,384 --> 00:42:16,074

how to explain that to people.

:

00:42:16,754 --> 00:42:18,704

Emma: You were Wendy in the parade.

:

00:42:19,344 --> 00:42:20,084

Lacey: A couple of times.

:

00:42:20,084 --> 00:42:21,634

I wasn't as much as Amy and Becky.

:

00:42:21,664 --> 00:42:22,434

I was too big

:

00:42:22,734 --> 00:42:24,894

Emma: I feel like Amy

is the perfect Wendy.

:

00:42:24,964 --> 00:42:25,034

I

:

00:42:25,044 --> 00:42:25,854

Lacey: Amy is perfect at

:

00:42:25,854 --> 00:42:25,914

Emma: something.

:

00:42:25,914 --> 00:42:27,384

I know.

:

00:42:29,264 --> 00:42:29,504

Lacey: But

:

00:42:29,534 --> 00:42:33,134

because my dad had his franchise,

and that's the reason why we moved

:

00:42:33,134 --> 00:42:38,504

up to Tip City, And my parents are

do it yourselfers in a lot of ways.

:

00:42:38,514 --> 00:42:42,904

my parents and my siblings cut the

grass, they worked in the stores,

:

00:42:42,904 --> 00:42:43,884

and all those different things.

:

00:42:43,894 --> 00:42:45,144

That was my first job.

:

00:42:46,014 --> 00:42:49,404

But Wendy's, was always,

a family member, almost?

:

00:42:49,404 --> 00:42:49,884

Yeah, probably.

:

00:42:49,934 --> 00:42:54,374

this weird family member that, had some

cool opportunities, like meeting Hanson.

:

00:42:54,414 --> 00:42:55,074

Emma: Oh, yeah.

:

00:42:55,094 --> 00:42:58,164

Lacey: but also sometimes

where we had to go to,

:

00:42:58,424 --> 00:43:00,004

Emma: pick weeds in the flowerbed.

:

00:43:00,964 --> 00:43:02,024

I'll never forget that one.

:

00:43:03,394 --> 00:43:04,264

And like mulch.

:

00:43:04,324 --> 00:43:05,784

Why was there always mulch?

:

00:43:05,904 --> 00:43:08,664

I felt like we, you mulched four

times a year at those places.

:

00:43:08,804 --> 00:43:09,164

Lacey: Don't.

:

00:43:09,344 --> 00:43:10,154

That's Carolyn.

:

00:43:10,284 --> 00:43:10,664

I don't know.

:

00:43:10,674 --> 00:43:10,914

Okay.

:

00:43:11,594 --> 00:43:13,684

she and I joke about

our different standards.

:

00:43:15,409 --> 00:43:18,079

She like looks at my yard and

I'm like, what can we get rid of?

:

00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:20,179

And she was like, I don't,

I'm trying to think about it.

:

00:43:20,179 --> 00:43:21,393

It's

:

00:43:21,859 --> 00:43:25,569

Emma: we have rock beds because

we don't do landscaping.

:

00:43:26,249 --> 00:43:26,869

Lacey: I think that's

:

00:43:27,499 --> 00:43:28,399

Emma: It's so smart.

:

00:43:28,419 --> 00:43:32,039

Lacey: I literally Googled what

are ground cover flowers that we

:

00:43:32,039 --> 00:43:35,143

can just take up any of the beds

and then put ground cover flowers.

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