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Unlocking The Magic of Self-Transformation: The Huna Philosophy And The Power Of Pattern Recognition, Forgiveness, And Thought Energy With Tina Erwin
Episode 36 • 12th December 2023 • Mindful You • Alan Carroll
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Alan Carroll interviews Tina Erwin in this week’s episode of Mindful You. From being a female officer in the United States Navy, Tina is now passionate about being a Ghost Helper: Teaching The Living To Help The Dead. Alan and Tina dive deep into the power of patterns and how to recognize them and change them. Our thoughts are a form of magic and energy. We all have the ability to change the interpretation of things. What is the Huna? Find out in this mystical and captivating episode.

About The Guest:

Tina is passionate about being a Ghost Helper:Teaching theLiving toHelp theDead®.She wants to empower us all to help all ghosts: this is the compassion we will want for ourselves, by usingThe Crossing Over Prayer©on GhostHelpers.com and in“TheCrossing Over Prayer Book©.” When a psychic only connects to a dead person, the ghost does not receive the critical assistance they desperately need. Tina has studied metaphysics all her life, gaining insight into the mystical world of magic and spirituality.The author of eight books on metaphysics, her writing comes from an intense desire to know and understand the hard science behind the unseen world of action and reaction combined with a sincere desire to share this understanding with other knowledge seekers. Her lifelong studies into the deeper meaning of events and actions were further enhanced by the experiences of a dynamic 20-year career in the Navy, working for theU.S. Submarine Force, retiring at the Commander level.

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About Alan:

Alan Carroll is an Educational Psychologist who specializes in Transpersonal Psychology. He founded Alan Carroll & Associates 30 years ago and before that, he was a Senior Sales Training Consultant for 10 years at Digital Equipment Corporation. He has dedicated his life in search of mindfulness tools that can be used by everyone (young and old) to transform their ability to speak at a professional level, as well as, to reduce the psychological suffering caused by the misidentification with our ego and reconnect to the vast transcendent dimension of consciousness that lies just on the other side of the thoughts we think and in between the words we speak.

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Alan Carroll:

Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the mindful you

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podcast. I'm Alan Carroll. I'm your host. And today I

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interviewed Tina, Erwin. And Tina is a psychic. Meaning that

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there's the physical world and the metaphysical world. And she

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is able to go back and forth from the physical world to the

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metaphysical world. And for the last studied metaphysics for

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gaining insight into mystical Worlds of Magic, spirituality.

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She's written eight books on metaphysics. And her writings

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come from a intense desire to know and understand the hard

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science, not the woowoo science, but the hard science, behind the

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unseen world of action and reaction, combined with his

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sincere desire to share this understanding with other

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knowledge seekers. And so that's part of her biography. Another

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part of her biography is, she was an officer in the United

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States, submarine, Navy sub submarines for 20 years. She was

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one of the first female officers on submarines. And she said,

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often, she would notice that a lot of the decisions that were

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made by captains are sometimes intuitive, not by the book, like

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they were able to connect with something greater than

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themselves. So she combines that military discipline and show me

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facts. And she combines that and marries it to the metaphysical,

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wonderful, healer, wonderful insights. And so it is just

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exciting to be able to have her on on the show, and for her to

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be able to share her wisdom from years and years of experience.

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So please welcome Tina Irwin to the mindful you, podcast. Thank

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you. Tina, welcome to the podcast. Thank

Tina Erwin:

you so much, Alan, for having me. I'm really

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delighted to be here.

Alan Carroll:

Oh, the opportunity of having a

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conversation with someone who has such rich experiences is a

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gift. And in our conversation we had before, we were talking

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about the importance of of the discipline. And that came from

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our conversation of you being a career military officer. So you

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have that background and just like to jump a little bit into

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your background, and then sort of let our audience feel a

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little bit of the evolution that you've gone through that has

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brought you to where you are right now and this level of

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awareness and consciousness.

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Well, thank you for that opportunity. I joined the

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Navy in 1972. Because you really couldn't get hired at a decent

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salary. You know, I graduated with a degree in Industrial

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Relations, and nobody would hire me. And I didn't want to be a

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martyr. Martyrs lead a really awful life. And I wanted to have

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some fun. And so I thought, gee, I'll see if I can join the Navy.

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And I did. I was their first female officer and in a really,

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really long time from the state of North Carolina where I was

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living. And my first day at my first duty station, I met my

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husband, and we were both stationed at submarine base, New

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London, and I received it for all the crypto gear for all six

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CDA class new construction submarines. And then eventually,

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I was the first female officer in the history of submarine

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school. I taught the sealed authenticator system which tells

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the commanding officer of a submarine how to authenticate

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the message that says to launch a missile. So the Navy provides

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you with an astonishing amount of responsibility really, really

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early. And you get to meet some of the most remarkable men you

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could ever imagine. real patriots. People who care

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brilliant, brilliant minds. And I mean, if you're pretty weak,

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they just eat you for lunch. So I had a blast. And I learned

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that when you are on a submarine, you have to feel the

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ship. It doesn't matter whether it's a submarine or a surface

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ship. These are men who have gut instincts. And it's those gut

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instincts that save lives. They, these are men who listen to

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something, they wouldn't call it a higher self, or they don't

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have a fancy name. But it's the same thing. And I have a deep

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and abiding respect for these men, including my own husband,

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just spent 42 years at Sei. And these men would tell you, I had

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a bad feeling about this, or I knew something was gonna happen.

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And some of them told me, some of them actually saved. i

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There's one astonishing story where this guy saved 129 lives,

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because he listened to something that was not quantifiable. And

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he changed history. And when you are observing these things, you

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don't go oh, well, that's neat. You go, but wait a minute. That

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is amazing. These aren't psychic guys, they would never use such

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a term. And I, I wouldn't use that term with them. I would

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respect that they had a feeling and that they, they paid

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attention to it. I had one captain of a submarine knew I'd

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known for years and years. I mean, I, I made friends with all

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these guys. Because they taught me so many things. Gosh, I mean,

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when a school house. And he said, You know, I knew my

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navigator was bad. I did everything in my power to remove

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him from my ship. I told Admiral Rickover, I documented it. And

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when we hit that Russian submarine, I had a bad feeling

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something was gonna happen. And so when you start listening to

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what these men experienced, you know, without saying, Oh, well,

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I don't know if I believe that, instead of discounting it. You

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listen on another level. And you learn how, when you deliberately

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submerge a billion dollar vessel with 100, between 125 to 150

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lives depending on whether it's a fast attack or ballistic

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missile submarine. You had better know what you're doing.

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You could better feel your crew. What is that if it's not a

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spiritual part of you, that is not quantifiable. And so that's

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what got me started. I've always been a psychic person from the

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time I was a little kid. It's not like you're running around

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talking about it, especially in the military, people think

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you're crazy. But there are, there are a lot of really,

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really intuitive human beings that are in the military. And

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one of the most famous was a General George C. Patton.

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Patton, frequently spoke to God, Patton had Patton had amazing

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experiences. And I am a student of history. And when you look at

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the how so many of these men in horrendous situations, called

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upon God, not spirit, but God, God, please help me in this

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moment. It is amazing. I also studied survivors, I studied the

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stories of survivors of the Holocaust, and World War Two.

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And when I, there were some of those, especially men who were

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futurists, they had to believe there was going to be a future

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beyond the moment they were in. And they held on so tight to

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that spiritual future. They survived when others gave up and

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died of depression, loneliness, and terror because the Nazis

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were terrifying. Have a frog in my boots voice?

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No worries. No worries. Take a breath.

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Ah, so that's how I got started on this path because I'm

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a person who studies everything. How does the submarine work? How

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does the mind work? And my mother worked for a psychiatrist

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for seven years. And she discussed every single case with

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me when I was in high school. So I have a somewhat unusual

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background, which really benefited me in the Navy.

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Because I could, I could quickly identify a variety of different

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types of character disorders. And or whether or not someone

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was psychotic and whether or not they were dangerous. So that

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when I referred them to, you know, a professional, you know,

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in a military hospital, I could speak a language, that would

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mean I would be taken seriously. And this person would receive

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the help that they needed. The military is only about people.

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And it's only about how people relate to a belief in

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themselves. And if you have no belief, beyond that, there's

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nothing else but this, there is a loneliness that pervades the

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soul. And I, I began to see that and what the military gives

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people is a belief in something greater than yourself.

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corporations can't do that. People who have private

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businesses or consulting firms or private practice, they

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believe in something more than themselves, especially their

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clients. I have a lot of private clients than when when you are

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part of a team and I love that I love my wardroom I loved I had

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150 men work for me at any given time. Sometimes I had a lot of

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women too, but mostly it was just men. And they had the same

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problems that anybody else has. They had an illness in the

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family or their wife had a problem or somebody has an

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alcoholic or there's a drug problem, or they were sexually

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abused or fill in the blank. And what they need, it isn't

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necessarily a military solution. It's a human solution. And I'll

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give you one of my favorite examples. I was executive

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officer for a submarine training facility in San Diego. And we

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had this guy who's a big guy. I mean, he had muscles, he had the

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slips his sleeves. He's such a big man, who's our sailor of the

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quarter. He just beat the bejesus out of his wife. Well,

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we sent him to anger management school, we sent him to

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psychiatric care, and we did all of these things. So one day, he

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comes in, he sits at my desk and he says, Commander, what's the

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big deal? So I beat my wife, nobody's perfect. And, and the

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female in me, wanted to just reach out and strangle him. That

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would be the that's the truth.

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But the better part of me sat back. He wasn't being

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disrespectful to me. In that moment, he was honest. And I

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said, petty officer, whatever your name is, did your daddy

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beat you?

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He said, Yes, ma'am. He beat me every day, but good. And I said,

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Did your grandfather beat your dad? Yes, ma'am. Hey, Tam, his

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huddle. He used to tell me how badly he was beaten. And then I

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waited, you know, you know, way to beat and he looked at me and

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he said, Doesn't everybody get beaten when they grow up? I

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said, No, it's called assault. And if somebody beat your wife

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on the street, like you beat her, they will be put in prison

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for assault. And if you continue to beat your wife, and you have

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an adorable little girl, for 1000 years, your family will

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continue to beat each other. Unless you have the power and

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the courage to change. And I can send you to 1000 schools, but

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that change has to come from inside of you. You have to want

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to change the future for 1000 years. Do you have the courage

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and the strength within you to do that? And he looked at me and

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he blinked and he said I I never looked at it that way. Nobody

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ever explained it like that. Why did they ever talk to me like

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that? I said, I don't know. But I I can hear you. I can hear

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that you're not a bad man. You're just part of a pattern.

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And it's the bad pattern that has to be changed. So if you

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separate the goodness of the person from the pattern, then

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you give the individual the opportunity to save enough face

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to be able to change. Now I would love to tell you that he

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never He his wife again. But two weeks later, he got transferred.

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And I don't know what happened. But I like to believe that

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perhaps in that moment, something shifted for him. So

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that's how I got started on all this.

Alan Carroll:

That's a That's a beautiful story. tears coming to

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my eyes very, very beautiful. You, you said the ability to

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separate yourself from the pattern. Let's talk about the

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level of awareness, you have to be to have the realization that

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you're in a pattern in order to separate yourself from the

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pattern.

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I liken it to having a starfish on your forehead like

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this. You have a starfish on your face, you're so used to

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looking around the arms of the starfish, you can't see it's

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kind of sucking you dry. So you need someone outside of yourself

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to come up and say, excuse me, you got a starfish on your head?

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Can I help you with it? Let's take it off and and put it down

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over here. Now what's your view like? Oh my gosh, I can see so

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much better. And if I work with a client, I help them go back

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and back and back to understand the longevity of the pattern,

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what their victimization and or role is in the pattern and what

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steps they can take to change it. And this is spiritual

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progress. Because many times a pattern has gone on for

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lifetimes I do past life regressions do. People are

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murdered by the same person life after life. They're raped by the

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same person life after life after life. I studied Edith

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theories work and Raymond Moody and Bruce Kohlberg. All these

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amazing people. When you look at what that historical foundation

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is, we can change our future if we can create an awareness that

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we have that power

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can create, we can change the future if we have

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awareness that we have the power, the power to do what

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the power to recognize the pattern, and then change it.

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So

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to be able to recognize something going on in

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this moment of now requires you to be able to be a space between

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you and the something that you're that you're looking at.

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That's correct. Okay. And it also requires someone to

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gently point out that what you thought was real, might have a

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different interpretation. And I've had so many clients who are

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so abused, I have a lot of women who never had children, because

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they were so horribly sexually abused that they, they needed to

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heal themselves. So I give them a great deal of credit for not

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wanting to perpetrate additional abuse on a child when they

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hadn't healed themselves. Because the subconscious of an

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individual is frozen at their earliest trauma. That's a really

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powerful statement, which I have been working with the

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subconscious of, you know, 1000s of clients. If the subconscious

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of a person is frozen at the age of their earliest trauma, and

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I'll use my father as an example. When my father was six,

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his father went to Paris for the National Exhibition or the Paris

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World's Fair. And he died there. So his father died, he never saw

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him again. His mother came to America to set up shop, and he

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was given to his grandmother who beat him every day. My father

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was frozen at the age of seven. He didn't have either parent for

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a long time, and the grandparent he had was abusive. And he was a

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child in a big body, so much of his life. And God bless him. He

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tried, he really tried. And the insecurity he felt was so

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difficult to overcome. He's one of the one of the things we all

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have to understand is the impact our parents have on us. There

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are no perfect parents. I love Mitch albums book, the five

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people you meet in heaven. And in the early stages of his book,

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he says all parents damaged their children. Just some

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parents do it worse than others. I'm sure you've heard of Mitch,

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remarkable author. I read a lot of authors. And it's everyone

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offers you something.

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That's right. That's right.

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And when I'm, I look at my father, or I look at the

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things that happened to my mother, and they they were in

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resonance with each other. She was abused as a child, her

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father was horribly abusive. Her mother was a private duty nurse,

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and she was always gone. So here you have two people who were

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abused, they had the same resonant frequency of somewhat

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of abuse. Now they're married. They did not abuse their four

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children, for which I am truly grateful. I didn't mean we had

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perfect childhoods. But to their credit, they really, really

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tried to provide us with better childhoods than they had You

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bet. And so to a degree, they were able to separate what

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happened to them for perpetrating it on all of us.

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And isn't that the hope each of us have, when we have children

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will, we'll be able to provide more or better or more stable

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for our children than we had. So when I'm working with a client,

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especially someone who has been abused, and sexual abuse is the

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Hmong, the most hideous and if we're going to talk metaphysics,

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sexual abuse is an initiation into the dark side. Because it

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is a it is a power center in the body. And if you study all of

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the elements that come with metaphysics, you also have it's

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like a doctor has to look at germs, bacteria, viruses, and

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mold. How do they infiltrate the body? And what's the long term

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effect? The long term effect of child abuse, especially sexual

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abuse, is that it separates the child from their higher self. It

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separates the subconscious is the gatekeeper to higher self.

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If you have frozen that subconscious at the age of that

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hideous trauma, that subconscious sometimes hides,

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very difficult for that subconscious then to connect to

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higher self. Because the subconscious is the gatekeeper.

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And this was astonishing to me, because I, you know, I work

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with, I help people understand they have a conscious and

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subconscious and superconscious. And if you want to be on the

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spiritual path, you have to know how to contact your

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superconscious your higher self. This is some great mystical

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thing. Not really, it's much more straightforward. I mean, it

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doesn't have to be mystical. I mean, you can make it mystical.

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But if you're really honest, it's pretty straightforward. And

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the process I use goes back to a tradition that goes back to the

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original 12 tribes, which is Hoonah. Have you ever heard of

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Hoonah? Ah, una? No. I actually brought this book. It's called

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Hoonah. A Beginner's Guide by Enid Hoffman. I don't know what

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beginner she's talking about, because this is not for the

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faint hearted. But one of my teachers introduced me to

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Hoonah. There is only one sin in the Hoonah tradition, which is a

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Hawaiian tradition, the great Kahuna. It goes all the way back

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to the original, some of the original beings on the planet.

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And the laws that they set down for human beings to follow to

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lead happy and prosperous lives, included the element of

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spirituality, and continuing to connect to the higher self and

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our connections to God. I'm not a person who uses the word

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spirit. Spirit is alcohol. If you're going to if you're going

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to connect, be specific. So in the Hoonah tradition, there's

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only one sin and that's hurting one of the three selves, your

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conscious, your subconscious and your superconscious. If you

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You're constantly saying I'm dumb, I'm stupid. You know, I

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knew a mom who was constantly telling her a little girl, she

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was a fatty, she was a little hippo, she's a baby elephant. So

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the girl was enormous. She grew up to be what her mother

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believed about her. And when the conscious self can't see itself

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as, as whole, perfect and complete, that's a problem. The

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job of the subconscious is to keep you alive, your eyes,

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blink, your heartbeat, the blood to flow. And the conscious self

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develops all the plans for your life, I'm going to go do this,

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I'm going to go do that. But you don't get very far unless you

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have a relationship with your subconscious. And one of the

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things I teach clients is how to build that relationship with

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their subconscious. Your subconscious helps you remember

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things, your subconscious warns you don't do that. And as you

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begin to honor that part of you that unsung hero inside of you,

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you get this door opening to the light of the Divine and higher

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cell. As you engage in more prayer, this is outside the

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confines of religion and dogma and scripture, this is the most

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basic element of the priesthood of all believers, you should be

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able to pray to God without an intermediary, that thank you,

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Martin Luther for that. And when a client is able to understand

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that they have that power, and you have reinvigorated their

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subconscious, and you've worked to heal their conscious self,

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then the client can begin to make some powerful changes. Not

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everyone can do that, it requires a great deal of insight

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and willingness to face some really tough things. But if you

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can do it, you can change your life

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so so rich, so rich, like eating cake. Very,

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very rich, and also very, very clear. It's I liked I liked the

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clarity of your of your speaking about something that's abstract,

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that's really a, it's really a gift to be able to frame it in

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different ways. And I, I, I'm a big fan of the creating the

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buffer zone of space. And to me, the creation of space requires

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you to have to take something out in order to create the

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space. And so that's the but the key is observation of what what

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that something is outside of the pattern. And my favorite movie

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is the is the matrix one where they use the red pill in order

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to get Neo outside of the thought of the matrix to wake

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up. And to me waking up is like a lucid dream. Where you dream

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at night dream a dream a dream and then once in a while home

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you wake up in the dream and that was a altering of

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consciousness that was just gave me tingles, I always thought

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it'd be nice to have lucid dreams and I when you were

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talking about the the captain of the ship, intuitively, I use the

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word intuitively sensing something beyond the physical

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reality of logic to me it's the more still you become in

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speaking the more still you become physically the calmer you

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are and it's like the leaves are settling down and the wind is no

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longer blowing and things are settling and settling down and

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and then that to me creates a word curtain comes up in my

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mind's eye a curtain between myself and the the metaphysical

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that curtain begins to fade away and in my ego seems to fade away

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to as I as I shift from that and when I was reading your bio i i

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was i want to do talk about the black magic and the white magic

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and and you also you introduced it a little bit earlier saying

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the dark side the the child sexual molestation of children

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is is part of the dark the dark side. And so I'd like to just

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hear you talk a little bit about white magic and black magic.

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Well, all thought is energy. Basically all thought is

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a form of magic because it's it crea ate? What do you think you

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create? And what's

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going on? I know you want to go slow on that one.

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That was like a home run. So I want to I want to make sure

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people understood that was this a home run? Go ahead and spend

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some more time.

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When you are thinking about something, it is part of a

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creative process. I started with a remarkable man named Dr.

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Abraham Kareem. He was the founder of biogeometry. I just

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adore this man. And he talked about creation. In a way I'd

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never heard anyone discuss it. I'm an art freak, I have

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hundreds and hundreds of paintings. And there is a

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creative element to all of the art that surrounds me. And what

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Dr. Karim explained, and I am trying to be really careful, I

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give credit to the people whose original idea of was. So if

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someone wants to look it up, they are certainly welcome.

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Don't just believe me, do your own due diligence. When you

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create, you connect to God. My father was a furniture designer.

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And when he was designing beautiful furniture he would

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have on Mozart and Chopin and Schumann and Bach, Beethoven,

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because the frequency of the music, it's like it opened up

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the pathways for him to feel the divine, live within him. And he

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created beautiful things. And when that happened, he was an

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amazing designer. And so when I look at every piece of art I

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have on the wall, whether it's a photograph, or a painting, or

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sculpture or bronze, the artist is sharing with me their

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connection to the divine, that thought that creation is divine.

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And the more beautiful it is, the higher the frequency.

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There's a whole dissertation on frequency. And when you are

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thinking, your thoughts, program, your cells, and the

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person who did the work on this, who also worked with Dr. Karim,

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briefly, was Dr. Masaru, Emoto, who wrote messages from water.

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And Dr. Emoto proved that words impact the water in our cells.

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And when we say You are beautiful, or your work is

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wonderful, or I love you, the cell, the water in the cells is

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charged with light. But when someone says I hate you, or

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they're abusing you, or it's a terrible word, Dr. Emoto proved

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that it causes a distortion of the water molecules. This is

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about as hard science as you're going to ever get. So all

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thought is energy. How am I doing so far? Oh, I

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love it. I use the paintbrush on the canvas, trying

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to explain that if I can control the thoughts, I control the

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paintbrush that paints the 35 millimeter slide that then I

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project onto the reality in which I'm looking at. And that's

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exactly right. Yep. So go I'm right with you. I love it.

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Well, when you are creating a thought, If all

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you've ever heard as a child are negative things. And one woman

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who was just her father beat her every day, she was six one, the

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tall, she's beautiful woman just tall. And I do a group. I did it

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for years, a monthly group called Light times and we would

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come and discuss metaphysical topics. And I wrote all the

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handout I wrote 70 different notes for all different topics.

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And as she was leaving, I heard this voice say ask her if she

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wants an appointment and and I kept my foot on the line of

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spiritual law because you can't tell somebody they need to have

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an appointment with you. But someone said, If she leaves,

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she'll kill herself. You have to say something. They said, Have

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you have you ever considered maybe we should work together? I

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have an opening next week and she said yes. Yes. Oh, I would

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love to do that. said okay. And she went home. She didn't kill

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herself at night. And she told me that was her plan let him

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years later. And in this woman's story, she had been so abused by

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her father, he was this horrible, horrible man. And

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she'd been to I don't know how many different people for help.

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And they all told her her husband was the problem. So I

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asked her if I could speak to her husband, and she adored him.

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He was the sweetest, kindest man. And I just didn't

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understand why everyone kept saying he was the problem. He

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wasn't. Her father and her mother were the problem. And I,

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when we're sitting, talking face to face, I asked her, I said,

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when your father beat you, what did your mother do? She didn't

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say anything. And they said, when your father was beating

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your sister into mental retardation because of Shaken

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Baby Syndrome, which he did, which he should have been sent

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to prison for assault, what did your mother do? She just stood

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there. When I was crying in the closet, she would come and stand

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over me and say, I must have deserved it. Because that's why

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he beat me. I said, Did she ever once comfort you in any way? No,

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she'd leave him sometimes. But we'd always come back. I grew to

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be six foot one, and he couldn't beat me anymore, because I was

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taller than he was. And only then, but he leaves me alone. I

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was covered with black and blue marks. And this principal and

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the teacher were horrified. But my mother begged them not to say

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anything. And then he just kept beating me. And I said, I need

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and she said, you know, and I just love my mother so much. And

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I so I, I'm going to kind of break this bubble a little bit.

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Problem is not your husband. And ironically, it's not your

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father. Your mother is the biggest abuser because it's the

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sin of omission. She stood there and watched him brutalize two

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children. And she did nothing, absolutely nothing to defend

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you. And she always came back for the abuse. Your mother is

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the largest abuser. And I have a feeling you've been angry at her

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for a really long time. And it's like, you know, I pulled a

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little thing out of the dam, and bam, all this emotion came out.

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And I said, Do you have any photographs of your father as a

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child? She said, I do. I don't do this with every client. But I

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did it with her. She brought all of her family photos. So we went

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back a couple generations, and we look at the children. And we

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can identify the date, the age, they all all of the abuse

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started because I said do you see it in their faces? This is

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generational. And it's wrong. All of this is wrong. What they

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did to you was wrong. She said really? And and then I did this

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odd thing. I said, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry, this happened to

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you. You didn't deserve those things. And again, it's like I

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pushed a button and the tears came. I want you to know I think

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you are the finest, most wonderful person, the sweetest,

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kindest person and you didn't beat your children did you know

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and I said, and you're such a good person that you married the

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finest husband, you could have married, he's been with you.

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He's been loyal and true to you. And it hasn't been easy. And

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it's just this acknowledgement of how hard it's been for her.

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It's just feeling that she could be loved. And that what her

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mother did was not love. It was the worst abuse. She never stood

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up to him. And I said that was your mother's challenge. That

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was one of the biggest things she was here to do in this

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lifetime. She just didn't choose to do it. She didn't choose to

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take that opportunity. That is not your fault. You gave her

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ample opportunities. And so did your sister who's now in a group

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Oh, because she, her brain is fried. And you have been a loyal

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sister to her. And we resolved so many issues. There were

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lawsuits or all these horrible things and one by one. As she

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healed all these other separate little things began to heal.

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Slowly but surely. In an age time, I would remind her because

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it was the truth. I'm not making this up. She's a really good

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person. She was a wonderful wife, a loving mother A genuine

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friend. And as she began, it's like I'm healing all those

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little water molecules inside of her with the gentleness of

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words. Her husband had been trying to do it. He needed

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someone in his court and he and I started to work together, like

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a, a combined action. And their marriage became significantly

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better. Her happiness became better. They began to go out to

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do different things, and she did not ever kill herself. And that

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sounds like a small accomplishment, but for her to

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have live for her to live a whole life. And she said to me,

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do I have to forgive them, and I said, I'm not the forgiveness

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place. Forgiveness, calm, comes at a moment in time, when you're

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ready, you can't order it, you can't legislate it. It has to

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happen at a time and place that works for you. The Jews forgave

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the Nazis, because they said it set them free. They weren't

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forever the prisoner of the Nazis. But they didn't forget.

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And that's a key point, just because forgiveness isn't a free

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pass, oh, well, I forgive you. So you could do it again, and

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understand what that means, means you set yourself free,

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what that person did earn them the karma of their actions, your

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forgiveness doesn't change the karma that is earned for that

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particular set of actions. So that's where I'm going with

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that.

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The, the idea of sin, and the idea of salvation,

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the forgiveness of sin, is clearly stated several places

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all over in the Bible. And the key to forget, the key to

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salvation is forgiveness, forgiveness of what, for me, it

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must be in my movie that I'm painting in my mind, I have

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these brown spots where I hold grievances about what happened

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to me. And, and that becomes my identity. And, and I'm in the

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preservation of my identity business, not the letting go of

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my identity business. So how do you get people to the letting go

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of the identity in order to practice the forgiveness when

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it's appropriate?

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I would say that's a real challenge. And no one lives

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a life without being hurt, without being betrayed, without

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being abused in some way, without experience. When you

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don't need an experience anymore, it just stops

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happening. I mean, that's kind of a spiritual law. You have

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experiences so you can learn from them. When you've taken

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every last ounce, you feel like you can learn from them, then

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you can recount as difficult as it was the value of the

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experience. When you are conscious of the value of the

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experience, then it opens a doorway for you to then forgive

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the person that perpetrated it. And I like I said, I don't know

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if anyone who can go through a mortal life, or multiple lives

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and not have difficult experiences. And we live life

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after life after life so that we can work through them all. And

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remember, I was so angry one time and my one of my teachers

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said, you have to get this right this lifetime, you have to

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resolve this. I was really angry at my mother in law. Because I

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knew I had conscious memory that she was responsible for my death

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in a previous life. And it was crystal clear. It wasn't like

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somebody told me and I could see it when a lot of people have

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memory of previous lives.

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But that's a psychic quality psychics are

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able to do things like that. Yes, well, I

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have that. I have somewhat of that ability. Yes.

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And, but I didn't tell her that she just hated me on site. And I

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saw I saw her I started vomiting. And it was not. It was

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my subconscious recognizing a previous threat. So because of

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all of the studies and then I was working with my teacher He

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said, How many lifetimes are you going to go before you come to

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terms with this woman? You have to figure this out. And I

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realized I was holding rage. No one is exempt from this

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certainly not me. I was holding this rage from a past life. And

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she wasn't much better this life. What she was turned out to

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be an opportunity. You there are certain again, spiritual laws,

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you can't change anyone else, you can only change yourself.

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You can't want something from someone else that they don't

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want for themselves. And you can't want something from

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someone they have no capacity to give you. Those are those are

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given hard, fast rules. And what I realized, took me to working

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with him, it took me a little while and then I realized that

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she really had no power over me anymore as wearing the ruby

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slippers, and I forgot that I had them on.

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And that she had no power anymore. And that she wasn't

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going to kill me this lifetime.

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She's just didn't like me, okay, I wasn't her choice. I get it.

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And we hadn't spoken to her in 14 years, as my daughter says, I

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gave new meaning to timeout, she did something I felt was pretty

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unforgivable. So what we, what we did was, I didn't like who I

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was, when I was near her, it's like, my whole personality

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changed. And I felt that if we didn't have contact, that I

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could find some way to come to terms with who she was, and how

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to have a relationship with her. in cosmic time, that's actually

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pretty quick. And we did, we, we did reach out to her, set up

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some ground rules, and we rebuilt the relationship with

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with each other that my husband and and she and I. And we were

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able to establish some ground rules that worked. And she was

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able to tell me that she loved me. And I was able to say that I

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loved her too. And it turns out, she was very generous to our

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children. And she, she changed, not because I made her change,

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but because I changed, right. Right. And, and I'm sharing that

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story because, you know, and I didn't go to perfect school, I

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came to mortal school. And that makes that makes a difference.

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She, she didn't say she was still pretty hard with my sister

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in law. But we helped, we helped her by managing the estate when

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my mother in law died. And for which my sister in law was

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deeply, deeply grateful. And in a lot of families you have

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fighting over in a state there was no fighting, there was 100%

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agreement with everything. And when you do that, it makes

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everything so much smoother. So now when I look back on that

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experience with her, the Tibetans say your enemy is your

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greatest teacher, and I want you to know I got a PhD from her

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it's the ability to see something terrible, and

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be able to paint it one way in your mind and therefore that's

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what you see. And then being able to change the way you are

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interpreting what you are seeing. And then all of a

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sudden, when you watch the movie outside, the movie matches the

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what you see. And and that to me, we mentioned before is a the

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power of observation, the power of being a witness to what's

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going on. And to me that's like a lucid dream. It's just like

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waking up in a dream world the the dream of thought that we

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don't even know where to dream the thought was like a dream of

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thought, but you don't know you're in a dream with thought

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until you can wake up from the dream of thought. And to me

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that's that space you talked about the the ability to create

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that metaphysical space because Spaces Spaces is bits not

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physical spaces a metaphysical and

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yes, it's beyond the physics we think we know that's

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exactly right.

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But and it's available. And it's there's five

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elements earth air, fire, water and space. Yes, people sort of

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space do I That's not that important, well spaced has been

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told to be the mother of the other four elements, because

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something comes out of nothing and nothing is going to be

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space. And so the key is that ability to create the space. And

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new has certainly, and when you create the space, you can, you

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can have a frequency that that allows you entry into a portal

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that's available to everybody is the way I see it. And you talked

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about frequencies. And if I remember, frequencies are magic

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things if you have the right frequency, abracadabra, ba, ba,

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ba, ba, ba, ba, you're doing a frequency with your words and

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opens up the lock. And so you mentioned frequencies. And I

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know I need to get to the completion of our of our

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podcast, because it's just a it's just, there's so many

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avenues that are that are tickling my body. And the

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frequency conversation, I think is a really important

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conversation. And you seem to be a subject matter expert on

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frequencies. So I'd like to suggest if this works for us,

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we'll schedule another podcast.

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We'll be really, that'd be awesome. I've written two

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books on frequency. So yeah, so

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perfect. Perfect. Now, before we complete this

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podcast, is there How does one connect with you and the work

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that you're doing?

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I actually have two websites, Tina irwin.com, it's

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urban with an E, or ghost helpers.com. Because I do teach

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the living to help the dead, it's another one of the little

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things I do. And to help the dead without immediate you

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shouldn't have to pay a medium to help your loved one. And the

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opportunity to to help someone is really the whole purpose of

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moral life is to be of service to others is is truly the bottom

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line. And and I'm so grateful that you gave me an opportunity

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to share some thoughts today and maybe something that we said,

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will trigger something in another person and we will have

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helped someone today and that that is really what I live for.

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I started the beginning for the podcast with a

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prayer. And the prayer was das divine light to become president

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and allow us to manifest something with the divine light

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of our conversations today. So we're we're on the we're on the

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same frequency. Awesome. Well, thank you very much. I enjoyed

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the conversation. Obviously Tina, and I look forward to the

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next opportunity. We have to sparkle the space.

Unknown:

That was fantastic.

Alan Carroll:

Thank you. All righty.

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