Chris Kellum and Tyler Yaw welcome back wedding photographer Leigh Roberts for a candid conversation covering sobriety, wedding industry trends, photography hot takes, and what happens when a wedding professional plans her own wedding. Leigh shares her journey of being sober for one year and seven months after a major health scare, discussing the lifestyle changes, nutrition adjustments, supplements, and daily habits that helped her regain her health. She also reflects on her decision to elope after spending nearly 14 years photographing weddings, explaining why she and her husband chose a small, intimate celebration that cost roughly $6,000.

The conversation dives deep into the realities of modern weddings, including rising costs, vendor pricing, wedding-industry politics, and the trends Leigh believes should disappear. She discusses everything from polka-dot wedding aesthetics and intentionally crooked photos to preferred-vendor cliques, DJ choices, and the pressure couples face when planning their big day. Leigh also shares practical advice for couples navigating family dynamics, vendor relationships, and wedding-day expectations.

On the photography side, Leigh offers strong opinions on delivering RAW images, the importance of editing, flash photography, second shooters, drone coverage, venue lighting, and the ongoing Canon versus Sony debate. The episode wraps with memorable wedding horror stories, discussions on AI's impact on photography, and valuable insights for anyone planning a wedding or working in the wedding industry.

Timestamps

00:00 Meet the Guest Leigh

00:53 Sober and Holistic Reset

02:04 Vaccine Injury Recovery

04:37 Lifestyle Changes and Food

05:45 Backyard Gym and Cooking

07:15 Eloping After 14 Years

09:33 Wedding Trends Pet Peeves

12:26 Wedding Costs and Pricing

15:19 Gen Z Vendors and Identity

20:45 Music Choices and DJs

25:03 Preferred Vendor Cliques

28:46 Shot List Hot Takes

28:58 Dress Shot Debate

29:55 Venue Lighting Matters

32:46 Second Shooters Strategy

35:00 Wedding Horror Stories

41:14 Trends, Flowers, and Cake

43:42 Flash, Film, and Gear

47:25 Canon vs Sony Switch

53:58 Pricing RAWs and AI

01:00:53 Family Dynamics Checklist

01:02:27 Wrap Up and Goodbye

Key Takeaways

• Why Leigh chose to elope after nearly 14 years of photographing weddings.
• The wedding trends she believes are overrated and ready to disappear.
• How sobriety and lifestyle changes transformed her health and daily life.
• The truth about wedding photography pricing and vendor costs.
• Why professional editing is a critical part of photography.
• Her thoughts on second shooters, drones, flash photography, and venue selection.
• Canon vs Sony: which system she prefers and why.
• Real wedding-day horror stories and lessons learned from years in the industry.
• How AI may change the future of photography and creative work.
• Practical advice for couples planning a wedding without unnecessary stress.

Welcome back to the Whiskey and Wisdom podcast.

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I am your co-host Chris

Kellum, and I'm with…

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Tyler Yaw.

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And we bring back a fan favorite, one

of the best to ever do it in the west.

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Have you ever been to the West Coast?

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Leigh: Oh, yeah.

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Chris: See, that's what I thought.

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It's like, "I gotta talk to that."

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For those who don't know, Miss Lee.

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Leigh: Thank you very much.

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Chris: I didn't…

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I was like, wait, I don't wanna

try and read your last name.

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I sent you a whole

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Leigh: introduction and

everything, but I like this

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Boys: better.

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But he do- I read it

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he does it.

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Yeah.

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Sorry.

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Chris: He reads it, and I was like,

"Nah, I'm gonna have more fun."

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Boys: Do you still have your last name?

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Some things- I do … have changed.

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Yeah.

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That's, They have.

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That's what- We'll get into that.

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Yeah.

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We'll get into that.

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Leigh: Yeah.

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Chris: That was my question.

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I was like, wait, what's your last name?

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Leigh: It's Roberts

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Chris: Okay

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Leigh: For now All right.

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Chris: See, I knew you had

gotten, gotten a- hitched.

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Leigh: I did get

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Chris: hitched Which has

me asking many questions.

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We…

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One, for those who didn't know,

we're not really drinking today.

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Yeah.

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You got the San Pellegrino.

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Leigh: This- it's been, it has been a

year and seven months since I have drank.

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Boys: Wow.

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Leigh: And I'm not really,

I'm not doing it for the coin.

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Right.

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I'm just, you know.

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Yeah.

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It's health.

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It's healthy.

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It's health.

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Yeah.

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I've been, I have gone full

bore into all the health things.

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Yeah.

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I, I guarantee you I could have a degree

in all of the holistic health stuff.

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Mm.

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The amount of knowledge I have

obtained, very proud of it actually.

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It's been very helpful to a lot of people.

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Yeah … but I'm in a much

better place during this podcast.

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Right, right.

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'Cause that was, like,

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Boys: right before everything

happened health-wise.

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Right after It was right after.

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Right after.

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Directly after.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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I couldn't remember if it was

right before or right after.

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I was

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Leigh: straight up not having a good time.

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I was not okay- Yeah … at all.

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Boys: Well, tell us about that kind of

transition from where you were to where

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you are now, just kind of like- Oh,

my gosh … briefly of what happened,

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what, how you got over it and all that.

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Leigh: Well, this isn't the topic that

I really wanted to dive into anyways,

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but I mean, it, some of the stuff is

ar- already, like, on my Instagram,

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so people can find out- Oh, okay.

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Yeah … a little bit

more of those details.

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But I was hospitalized.

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Basically my, my blood was totally

destroyed by the COVID vaccine.

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It was destroying my heart.

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It was destroying my brain.

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I, I c- I was bedridden.

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I was hospitalized several times.

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And I went to several

different specialists.

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They're telling me, "No, it

can't be the COVID vaccine.

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No, no, no.

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My blood work looks fine."

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Right?

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Yeah.

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No.

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I found a holistic doctor.

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She looked at my blood

under the microscope.

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Mm-hmm.

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And my blood, obviously everybody knows

what blood should look like, beautiful

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little pillows, little bit of space

around them, should be moving pretty good.

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Boys: Mm-hmm.

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Leigh: no.

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My blood was so coagulated, and

they were these giant fish eggs.

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And every once in a while-

Is that the spike protein?

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… with this…

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Well, you would actually see, it's like

if you took if you took taffy and pulled

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it end to end- Yeah … and it was, like,

spikes all throughout the blood, and the

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blood had, like, some weird wiggly…

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It was…

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It just didn't look like blood at all.

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Wow … and she was like,

"Oh, you're not okay."

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But here's the thing, is that I

didn't take any pharmaceuticals to-

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Mm-hmm … get through any of this

because I al- I also was diagnosed

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with AVNRT, which is, like, a…

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I was severely tachycardic and

had, like, terrible heart rhythms-

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Wow … and all that kind of stuff.

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But I was actually able to get my

rhythm under control completely.

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I was able to completely clean my blood.

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I was pretty much able to reverse all

of the cell damage in two months- Oh,

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wow … just by taking very specific

supplements, like nattokinase enzyme.

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Mm-hmm.

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It's It's actually from fermented soy.

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But that, curcumin, bromelain black

seed extract, some of those things

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that are naturally derived- Yeah

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they, I mean, it's amazing.

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I…

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Okay, now I truly do believe that

any ailment, even if you have

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cancer, I have seen the results of

natural medicine reversing cancer.

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Mm-hmm.

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It- everything can be cured.

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I truly believe that.

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Boys: Yeah.

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Leigh: Even if you have, let's

say you hurt your ankle, okay?

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Mm-hmm.

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If you fast for three days,

your ankle will feel better.

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Yeah.

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Isn't that wild?

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Yeah.

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Because your body- Information … is

telling itself, like- Hey, we

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need to go repair the things

that need to be repaired.

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After it repairs your gut, then it goes

to- Right … other parts of your body.

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I mean, it's phenomenal.

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Fascinating.

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Oh, I could…

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This could be a, a whole-

A whole separate podcast.

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Whole separate podcast.

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But really, I'm, I think m-

mostly I, I really wanted to talk

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about the wedding industry today.

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Yeah.

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My role as a wedding photographer,

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Boys: I told Chris we would keep

you on track on the wedding thing.

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Yes.

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But I did, I did wanna bring that up just

for a second just to kind of like- Okay

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complete the circle- That's my

recap, but- … from last time.

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So- But then we're back

on that, yeah … coupled

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Leigh: with all of those supplements,

you can't just take a supplement and

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expect it to- Right … do its job

fully unless you're willing to change.

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I was so- Mm … wi- I would

have done anything to…

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Once you lose your health, you got…

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Okay, you got 99 problems until you lose

your health, then you got one problem.

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Mm-hmm.

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And then once you gain that back, I

mean, it was purely, it was all God.

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It was all God who put in my

heart, like the willingness to

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change and the understanding of

everything that I was learning

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about- The holistic lifestyle, right?

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Yeah.

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But yeah, hadn't drank since then, but

if you don't change your lifestyle,

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those supplements aren't gonna

do you- Mm-hmm … as much good.

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So I cut out all the seed oils.

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I cut out as much sugar as I possibly can.

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When I stopped drinking, I found out

that I am very addicted to sugar.

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Yeah.

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I have such a sweet tooth now.

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I never, I never would have thought

that because it's, like, the only

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thing, like, the last thing that your

body could really- Yeah … crave-

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Right … apart from- Most sugars.

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Yeah … any other vice.

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But if you cut those things out, and

then I finally started working out again.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Nice.

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Very good.

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I have a backyard gym.

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Love that.

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So I actually bought Pete, you know,

my, my now husband, I bought him a a

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shipping container, and from the shipyard.

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It was so cool, and it was

already custom-painted camo.

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Yeah.

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Oh, wow.

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Yeah.

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He's in the military.

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Yeah.

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And I put it in the backyard,

and we turned it into a

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gym, and it's really cool.

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That's awesome.

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So yeah.

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I wish my

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Chris: backyard was, like, a little

bit bigger, and I could pull that off.

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Leigh: We got half an acre.

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Yeah, I know.

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So I'm fix- I'm fixing to

put some chickens in there.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Chris: Right.

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Boys: Nice.

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Leigh: I'm trying.

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Actually, I just go to the

farmers market, and I pen- pay

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$10 for 12 dol- 12 dozen eggs.

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And but, see, here's the thing-

No, guy … is that- Yeah.

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… that's what I spend my money on.

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I don't go out to…

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You won't catch me at a restaurant

because they use seed oils.

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They use Teflon-coated pans.

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Mm-hmm.

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Oh, my god, except for Spoonfed.

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Shout out Spoonfed.

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And Drift is actually pretty clean.

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There's just not a lot of restaurants

that I can go and eat at- Right

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and feel good after.

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I just feel like crap-

Mm … after I go out to eat.

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Mm-hmm.

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So I just don't.

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So that's where my money goes.

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Chris: Making food.

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Leigh: Making food.

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I am actually a really good cook.

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Really?

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Anybody who- Gonna find out … knew me 10

years ago would have never believed that.

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I could not even make a peanut butter and

jelly sandwich, which by the way is better

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toasted, buttered and toasted on a pan.

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If you haven't had a peanut butter and

jelly sandwich buttered and toasted on

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a pan- Can't say I have … pan-fried.

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Chris: I have.

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Solid.

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Leigh: It's

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Chris: good.

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It's solid.

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Yeah.

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It is messier, though.

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Okay, who cares?

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True.

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Peanut butter melts.

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Leigh: You know what you're getting

into when you have a toasted PB&J.

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Chris: Just saying.

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Yeah.

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For him- Yeah

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who's never had it-

Yeah … he should know this.

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But my brain was leading

into, "Hey, congrats.

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You're married now."

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Oh,

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Leigh: thank you.

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I have a fun story about that.

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Chris: So I was gonna

ask, how'd the wedding go?

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Leigh: So we eloped.

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After spending 14 years

in the wedding industry…

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I think it's going on 14 now.

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Yeah.

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You see everything- Mm

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pretty much.

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I've done this for such a long time,

and minus my very short hiatus when I

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no longer owned my last, first company

and then had to go into insurance to put

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food on the table and then sold artwork

in order to get money- Mm-hmm … to buy

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all of my equipment all over again 'cause

parents weren't investing anymore in…

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That's f- Right … like, thank

the good Lord for my parents.

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I wouldn't be here without

them, to be honest.

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But, Did all this on my own.

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Well, no, I did not do all this on my own.

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God was with me throughout this

entire process, so shout out.

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But where was it?

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What was I talking about?

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I lose my train of thought.

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Wedding.

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Help me, help me.

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You chose

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Chris: to get eloped instead of having

a bigger- Yes, I chose to get eloped

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Leigh: because it's like I've seen too

much, and I have too many opinions.

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And- Mm-hmm … this go around, we're

not dropping s- $80,000 on a wedding.

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Right.

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I can't.

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I just f- I…

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If I had it, I probably would,

'cause I'm bougie like that.

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But we were just like, "Let's just…"

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I kept it at, I think

I spent $6,000 total.

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Wow.

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Nice.

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Yeah.

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Most of that was my dress.

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Yeah.

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My dress was fantastic.

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My family owns a mountain property

up in McGrady, and we're just like,

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"This is a very special place for us.

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Let's just go up here,

say a couple words."

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Yeah.

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We had Pastor Kenny come up.

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It was a total of nine people.

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We had Spoon Fed cater, but Pete

actually literally drove up the

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food, so we didn't have, like-

Yeah … anybody extra come up.

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I-

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Boys: Your Northside?

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Leigh: Yeah.

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F- what?

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Boys: Northside?

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Is that where the pastor-

Pastor Kenny, yes, yes.

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Okay.

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Yeah, that's what I thought.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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He's

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Leigh: fantastic.

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He's so funny.

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Every time I'm at a wedding, he's

like, "Thank God you're here."

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He's phenomenal.

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He's like, "You're like a

ninja, and I would know."

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Yeah.

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Well, that was actually a joke.

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Yeah.

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Anyways, we won't go there.

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So yeah, it was a really good time.

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And, I didn't even, I didn't have flowers.

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I didn't have any of

that stuff because- Yeah

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I don't need it.

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I don't need it.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, it was good.

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Chris: But you saw…

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I mean, being in the industry,

you've seen so many trends and fads.

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Oh.

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It's kinda like, let's

kinda step away from that.

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Leigh: Some of them come and go.

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Right now the one that is

making me so angry, sorry, guys.

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To each their own.

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I'm just gonna go ahead and say there

are certain trends that people hang

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onto, and some that it's just like, yuck.

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One trend right now that I am seeing

in the wedding industry as far

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as, like, style and design choice-

Mm-hmm … but which is a personal

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preference, I cannot stand polka dots,

and I'm seeing them everywhere coming

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up in 2026, and it's making me angry.

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Boys: Interesting.

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Leigh: Polka dots.

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Ugh.

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Yeah.

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Boys: Bold statement.

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Yes.

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What color polka dots?

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I just- All colors?

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Well, black and white.

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Leigh: Just the style.

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Tr- like, classic, but I'm sure some,

some people will be like, "Hey, let's

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do, like, a pink and white polka

dot situa-" I don't, I don't know.

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God knows.

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But no, I, I, I see, I see all

kinds of stuff, but that one

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right now is making me upset.

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As far as, like, wedding photography

trends that I think actually

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has stuck is the wonky photos.

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Mm-hmm.

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Like, the ones that are out of focus.

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The horizon line is not horizon-ing.

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Mm-hmm … it's, like, off kilter.

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Boys: That one

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Leigh: drives me nuts.

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It does me…

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It, if there's a horizon line, it

very much frustrates me to see that.

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Mm-hmm.

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'Cause I can see the,

the beach is like this.

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Right.

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But as long as it's intentional,

I would say, I would say to

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anybody, like, do what you want.

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Have fun with it.

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Right.

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Because that's where you can get

really creative- Yeah … is when

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you're really enjoying yourself, and

you can, like, you can try things.

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Yeah.

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But that one does bug me.

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I'm fine with an off-kilter shot if I'm

not seeing a horizon line behind them.

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Right.

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Chris: Yeah.

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But- But wait, if you have a horizon,

why can't you just adjust it in after?

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You could … when you say the person

is n- I'm gonna say the person but-

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You could Oh, you're saying it could

be adjusted, they choose not to.

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Yeah.

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Oh, okay.

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So it's a style choice.

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A style choice.

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Okay.

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And I'm, I'm fine with that.

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Leigh: I'm fine with

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Chris: it.

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I'm not.

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That hurts my head.

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I know.

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Boys: That's why I don't like it.

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Chris: That's also why I don't post

pictures, 'cause I take crooked ones, and

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I'm like, "I don't wanna adjust them."

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Boys: Yeah,

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Leigh: yeah.

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I'll

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Boys: do crooked ones of drinks, just

for the sake of it being different.

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Leigh: It's wild,

though, when I see the…

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When I think back to when I was first

starting, the s- the trends that were

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happening back in 2014, 2015- Mm-hmm

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I want to barf.

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Like, especially, like,

wedding photography.

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You were either, you were either a

bright and airy photographer, or you

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were- Dark and moody … something else.

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Dark and moody.

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There was only, it was polarized.

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It was two- Yeah … and I was somewhere,

I definitely leaned a little bit

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more darker back then than I do now.

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I don't even know what I cla- I

don't know what I'd classify myself.

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You're cheesy.

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I- it can be.

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I like it.

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It's fun.

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But in order to…

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This is actually, I'm skipping

ahead of so many things that I

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wanna talk about, but in order…

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What was I even talking about?

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Chris: Dark and moody photography.

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Leigh: Dark and moody.

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Chris: But we skipped too far ahead.

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We really did, 'cause I had a whole- We

can go back … I have a whole agenda.

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We'll, we'll follow your list as

opposed- Can we put a pin in this?

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Yeah.

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Leigh: Yeah.

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First of all, like, the

wedding industry is massive.

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I mean, it's a $70

billion- Mm … monster.

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Did you even know it…

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Oh, it gets crazy.

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Some of the people- I mean, I'm not-

What people spend on weddings in general.

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Like, in North Carolina, the average,

how much do you think the average

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wedding costs in North Carolina?

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37.

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In, in 2025.

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Let's go back to last year.

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Chris: Yeah, I think, like-

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Boys: I was gonna say 45.

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Leigh: You'd actually

be surprised, it's 30.

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That's the average.

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Ah, okay.

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Chris: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

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My brain said 32, and I

was like, "That'd be-"

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Leigh: Which isn't far off from the

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It was-

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Boys: Huh, interesting … 25.

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Oh, so it's evened out.

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Leigh: It was a very…

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That $5,000- That's the reason why I

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Boys: said so much higher- Yes … is

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Yes.

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And I was like, "Well,

with inflation," so I

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Leigh: was trying to do the math.

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What's crazy is that I think that

people are opting out of certain

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things for their wedding in order to

fit their budget a little bit better.

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Boys: Mm.

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That makes sense.

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Makes- That's my guess.

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I also feel like I've talked a few

people into eloping as well, which

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greatly reduces the price, so.

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Leigh: It's almost like income

to like, housing cost ratio.

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Yeah.

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Like, income has not gone up

very much, but the cost of a

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house has gone up tremendously.

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Right.

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So the cost of, of hiring

a wedding photographer in

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2015, guess how much that was

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Chris: 6K.

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No.

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Mm-mm.

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Leigh: sorry, I'm talking about

just an average photographer.

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Oh, an average photographer.

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Not, not like a crazy luxury photographer.

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Nobody who just- I'm thinking-

… started either … not me.

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I'm

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Chris: thinking of the big leagues.

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Sorry, sorry.

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Leigh: No.

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Someone, not somebody who just

started, just kind of like regular

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wedding photographer, does a good job.

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What, how much do you

think that that would cost?

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I don't

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Chris: even know how much we paid.

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I would say $600.

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Oh.

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I was gonna say f- That's someone

who's just starting, honey.

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You right.

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You

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Leigh: said…

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Chris: My brain was like six to

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Boys: $1,200.

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I think we paid around 15-ish.

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Mm-hmm.

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Leigh: It is, it was between 15 to

$2,000 for a pretty good photographer.

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Yeah.

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And when we were charging

that, we felt so rich.

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We were like, "Oh my gosh,

it's p- it's cr- it was crazy.

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It was amazing."

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Making great money.

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Right.

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Great money, because your dollar

went so much farther back then.

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Yeah.

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Now guess how much the

average photographer charges.

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15.

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Costs

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Chris: Ooh

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Leigh: That's actually, now

you're into luxury land.

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Chris: So I, I was gonna say, like, 5K.

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Leigh: That's a good average.

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It's between four and eight.

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Yeah.

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Now, that- Oh,

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Chris: so my original 6K guess was-

Yeah, yeah I meant, like, 1,500.

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Yeah.

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Like, I meant it still.

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But the jump

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Leigh: between…

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That's double.

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Yeah.

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Okay?

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Yeah.

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But

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Chris: quality, is it?

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Leigh: Not always.

515

Yeah.

516

Quality is not al- You know, I

would say quality's always there.

517

No, I can't say quality's always there.

518

Mm, I'm not gonna share my opinions

on photographers that charge that

519

much, 'cause some of them I feel like

have no business charging that much.

520

Like, they just started yesterday, okay?

521

Mm-hmm.

522

However, on that note, I think that

veteran vendors, such as what I would

523

like to consider myself, have a lot to

learn from, like, Gen Z-ers who have

524

only shot weddings for, like, two years.

525

Mm-hmm.

526

But they're doing s- some of them,

they're doing something right.

527

They're really grasping

what their client wants.

528

Yeah.

529

And they are delivering.

530

And I'm…

531

You know what?

532

They've got a, they've

got a fresh eye on things.

533

Mm-hmm.

534

They haven't been bogged down by

535

us all still to this day, where

we're trying to hang on to something

536

that we used to ha- I don't know.

537

Like, we- Yeah, yeah … some of

us photographers, we're, we're

538

a little stuck in the past.

539

I was certainly stuck in the past even

just, like, two years ago, 'cause I'm

540

thinking, like, "What did I used to do?

541

I feel like I'm not good anymore.

542

What did I do?"

543

In- instead of looking forward.

544

Mm-hmm.

545

Or I would look to other photographers

and be like, "How do they do this?

546

What do, what if I mimic that

and that's a, that is a pitfall?"

547

Terrible for an artist, yeah.

548

Oh, it's terrible for an artist.

549

Oh, God, that gets me into another topic.

550

Okay.

551

Mm.

552

One thing that I cannot stand…

553

I'm not here to be negative,

but I think one- That's what

554

Boys: gets all the views.

555

Keep on going.

556

Leigh: Jeez Louise.

557

One term that I think has irked

me ever since I heard it was

558

calling someone a creative.

559

Mm.

560

Mm-hmm.

561

Okay, that is an adjective.

562

That is not a noun.

563

I am not a creative.

564

I am a creative person.

565

I do creative things.

566

Mm.

567

I can be creative, but I

am not a creative, okay?

568

I'm a photographer, okay?

569

Because what, what does

it make you think of- Oh

570

when somebody's like, "I'm a creative"?

571

Chris: Oh, see, when I think

of somebody who- I think of,

572

like, a content creator more so.

573

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

574

Leigh: Okay.

575

Then, and that's totally fair.

576

Chris: Yeah, because in my brain,

like, if someone is like, "Oh, hey.

577

We're working with…"

578

Like, or, "That guy's a creative,"

I, I would think that they're

579

a content creator of some sort,

or they're, like, they're the

580

Like they're a model.

581

Oh, but see- Or like they're- But so it's

so vague though … they're the person.

582

Yeah.

583

It's so vague.

584

Leigh: Mm-hmm.

585

So you can't really get to the heart

of what somebody does- Right … when

586

they introduce themselves as…

587

That's a good point.

588

Now, this is just my equivalent of

the word moist for some people, okay?

589

Okay.

590

Nobody likes the word…

591

Is that a thing for you, too?

592

I don't know.

593

No.

594

I don't like when people chew.

595

I don't like hearing people ch- Oh, okay.

596

Boys: It's fine.

597

Just be happy we didn't have

the headphones this time.

598

I'm telling you, I truly have

599

Leigh: misophonia.

600

My- My blood pressure goes up.

601

I have a physical reaction, even though

mentally I'm like, "Okay, tranquilo.

602

Chill out."

603

Right.

604

"It's fine."

605

But when people chew with their mouth

open, okay, let me just specify.

606

Oh, that's even worse.

607

That's a top layer.

608

Oh, it bugs me so bad.

609

Oh, I got off topic again.

610

I'm sorry.

611

Yes, we're talking about

the wedding industry.

612

A creative s- term does

bother me just a little bit.

613

I'm seeing it used a lot.

614

Chris: I mean, to me, it's like when some-

when I ask somebody, "What do you do?"

615

And they're like, "I'm in sales."

616

Like I ha- I had somebody come

up to me- No, my favorite one

617

that- … years ago do that

618

… Boys: my favorite one that bothers you

is oh, it's gonna skip my head now.

619

What's the other one?

620

Okay.

621

Come back to it.

622

Come back to it.

623

Yeah.

624

Yeah.

625

Leigh: but- I'll just leave it

out … what else was I going to

626

get in- Have you thought of it yet?

627

Boys: Consultant.

628

Leigh: Consultant.

629

See, that's very vague.

630

But see?

631

It's a noun.

632

It's not an adjective.

633

Chris: true To a point.

634

Okay.

635

But it's still a so broad- It is so

636

Leigh: vague.

637

Chris: It's so vague Technically, Tyler

and I could be considered consultants.

638

Leigh: Yeah, you are.

639

Yeah.

640

So could I.

641

Chris: Yeah

642

Boys: That was my last title.

643

Chris: So we should put- That was

644

Leigh: your last what?

645

Chris: Title.

646

Title.

647

We should put it on all of our taxes.

648

Consultant.

649

Consultant.

650

It's

651

Boys: a good way to get audited.

652

Leigh: I can consult, let me tell you.

653

That's so funny.

654

Legitimately,

655

Boys: though.

656

If you put that you're a consultant and

you don't put any additional stuff, you

657

will get audited more often than not.

658

That's the truth.

659

But anyway, continue.

660

Yeah.

661

Leigh: Yeah.

662

Where else was I going with that?

663

Did you have any other

questions before I move into…

664

Boys: Nope, go ahead.

665

Sorry.

666

Drinking your milk.

667

Yeah, don't drink my milk.

668

Leave me alone.

669

Leigh: Not much cafeine in that, is there?

670

Chris: You know, it's the afternoon.

671

He's trying to chill.

672

I, I notice I don't need

too much caffeine right now.

673

I'll lose my mind.

674

Leigh: According to Italians,

if you put milk in your coffee

675

in the afternoon, it is a no-no.

676

Boys: Why?

677

' Leigh: Cause milk is for…

678

No, no.

679

I'm sorry, it's the opposite.

680

Milk is for the afternoon because

it's- Right, in the morning.

681

It- In the morning.

682

But not in the morning-

Yeah, yeah … because of the

683

digestion or something like that.

684

Yeah.

685

Boys: Oh, I was- thought it was dilution.

686

It's been

687

Leigh: a minute since I've been to Italy.

688

I don't know.

689

Boys: So that's…

690

I don't do it on purpose, but in the

mornings I'll only drink black coffee.

691

Yeah.

692

And then I was telling the person

we had on who brought me the

693

coffee that in the afternoon I'll

have, like, something like this.

694

Leigh: Yeah.

695

That's good.

696

Mm-hmm.

697

I wanted a honeymoon in

Italy, but I don't know.

698

There's so many places that I wanna go.

699

I think Scotland.

700

I wanna weird…

701

I…

702

If you saw my Spotify playlist, you'd be

… I don't know if you'd laugh, throw up, be

703

baffled or what, because- Right … I have

Irish sea shanties and- … very strange,

704

I have a very strange taste in music.

705

Recently, I've been into the country kick.

706

Big fan, big fan.

707

Yeah, I would

708

Chris: assume that.

709

Leigh: 10 years ago, 10 years ago,

Leigh would never, could never.

710

Wow.

711

Chris: My Spotify playlist

is pretty on point.

712

Boys: My Spotify playlist right

now is a bunch of toddler songs.

713

Chris: Ah, true.

714

So do you think someone's Spotify

playlist should be used for

715

their wedding music, though?

716

Leigh: I think it's, it

should be considered.

717

Depends.

718

It does depend.

719

Boys: The past DJ in me, not happy.

720

Leigh: Maybe not.

721

See, that's where I go into it depends.

722

Like, if somebody's got a…

723

I have n- I've got some friends who are,

like, they have phenomenal music taste.

724

They go- Mm-hmm … and they

chase concerts all over the place.

725

I've actually only been to three concerts.

726

So- Two of which were Justin Timberlake.

727

Yeah.

728

One was TobyMac.

729

Okay?

730

So- See, now, the- Oh, really?

731

… the way I- This was old Northside days.

732

Yeah.

733

Boys: The reason why I say probably not so

much, you can have a great taste in music-

734

Yeah … and you have an awesome playlist.

735

Yeah.

736

But when it comes to the

actual reception- Yeah

737

the energy is definitely

determined by the DJ.

738

So- I agree … I would also go

back to and kind of agree with

739

you, that there's a lot of terrible

DJs out there that are basically

740

just a glorified Spotify playlist.

741

And if that's the case, then y- just go

with the fucking playlist- Yes … and

742

save yourself some money and having some

idiot just pressing a button up there.

743

Leigh: Yeah, yeah.

744

Boys: Yeah.

745

You should let

746

Chris: me do it.

747

Boys: That's fine, too.

748

I probably do better than-

Y'all would be great wedding

749

Leigh: DJs.

750

Horrible wedding

751

Chris: DJs.

752

Leigh: I could see it.

753

I

754

Chris: could see it.

755

I was a wedding- He would be the DJ, and

I would be the one who would be talking.

756

You'd be

757

Leigh: like, you'd be

like Jared on the MC.

758

You know what I'm saying?

759

Gosh.

760

Or I don't know what you call that.

761

I'm so white.

762

Wow, my whiteness just came out.

763

Chris: I mean, it's always out.

764

Leigh: It is.

765

Proud of it.

766

I know that's controversial.

767

I'm not allowed to say

that in today's society.

768

But that's another podcast.

769

Boys: And that's a whole nother episode.

770

You're right.

771

We're already on our second or third hour.

772

But I gotta give you-

Apparently, I have no

773

Leigh: culture.

774

And I beg to differ.

775

Chris: There's a difference, though.

776

That's a whole nother argument.

777

Well, let's just…

778

We went, we had a whole

argument the other day.

779

Oh,

780

Leigh: no.

781

Well, we…

782

It, I would, I actually wouldn't

consider that an argument.

783

No, no.

784

I thought it was a very tasteful- Oh, no.

785

I- … disagreement

786

… Chris: I call it an argument

because this is what people say.

787

But I'm like, in general, it's

just a conversation- Right,

788

yeah … two different points of view.

789

Leigh: I actually have forgotten about

that because it wasn't an argument.

790

Yeah.

791

And I'm like, we're not

upset at each other.

792

Chris: No.

793

I think it's stupid to

get upset over each other.

794

I agree.

795

What were we talking about?

796

Do you still think- Let's go back

to weddings … so wedding trends.

797

Wedding trends.

798

We talked about being white.

799

Wedding dresses, are they staying

in fashion and being white- I

800

did- … or are people done with that?

801

Mm-mm.

802

Leigh: I don't…

803

No.

804

It is, I would say 90% still

white wedding dress because…

805

But, see, I, I am actually seeing a lot

of wedding dresses that are different

806

shades of white- Mm-hmm … that-

Mm … are becoming a little bit more

807

prevalent in the wedding industry.

808

For example, I had

actually a silver dress.

809

Oh … it was gorgeous.

810

Is it like

811

Chris: cloud dancer,

the- … the color of the year?

812

Leigh: Oh, no.

813

Not quite.

814

N- not quite.

815

Boys: You've been cloud dancer'd-

You'll have to- … twice in

816

these next, last five episodes.

817

Yeah.

818

You'll have to check my

819

Leigh: Instagram.

820

I, I have a couple

pictures- Yeah … posted.

821

But no, I…

822

And I, I really loved that.

823

I don't know why I didn't choose

white, but I think it was really just

824

the fit of the dress, and it was kind

of, it's like this silvery sheen.

825

It kind of-

826

Chris: But that color looked

good- … leaned a little

827

blue … in the mountains, though.

828

Like- It looked good

829

Leigh: in the mountains.

830

It went with my skin tone really

well, made me look pretty tan.

831

Yeah.

832

Which for a ginger- Yeah … I do tan.

833

That's new, though.

834

Oh.

835

Yeah, yeah.

836

That was a good one.

837

Chris: Is that your wedding dress?

838

No

839

Leigh: You haven't seen my…

840

So we eloped I haven't looked

841

Chris: at your wedding dress.

842

Yes,

843

Leigh: that was it.

844

Chris: Okay.

845

Leigh: That was it.

846

It actually had- I was

847

Chris: like, "Wait."

848

I

849

Leigh: had it fixed, 'cause

it had puff sleeves, and I was

850

like, "We're not doing this."

851

I felt like a princess.

852

Oh, yeah.

853

No, that definitely doesn't look like you.

854

And I had it made where it actually goes

around the shoulder and clips in the back-

855

Mm-hmm … and can be adjusted- Which

makes sense … where it, like, tightens

856

up or, or they could be, like, removed.

857

But huge train, like a six-foot train.

858

It was nuts.

859

Oh, geez.

860

Yeah.

861

That sounds huge.

862

Yeah.

863

Six feet.

864

But no, he's in the military.

865

Yes.

866

So that's us.

867

Your hair looked

868

Chris: a different shade of red

there, so I didn't think that was you.

869

Boys: It's probably the

shadows, how it was edited.

870

It also doesn't, especially in these

pictures, it doesn't look silver.

871

It looks very white-

No … in that picture.

872

It looks very

873

Leigh: white.

874

Boys: See?

875

Leigh: Yeah.

876

Chris: That's where my

claw dancer came from.

877

Leigh: A little bit.

878

But,

879

Chris: Simmi, what's some

other wedding topics you got?

880

Leigh: Well, I have some

controversial thoughts.

881

Chris: I mean, let's hear

882

Leigh: them.

883

That was one of them.

884

I actually, I was gonna talk about the

wedding clique in town, but I think

885

maybe I sh- There's a wedding clique?

886

Chris: You mean, like, everyone-

It bugs me a little bit

887

this person connects you to that

person connects you to that person

888

in the- Yes … bridal wedding?

889

Leigh: I think I'll refrain from

some of this topic, 'cause I, I'm

890

not in the business of, you know,

not being a good professional here.

891

But 'cause I'll work with, I'll

work with pretty much anybody.

892

Mm-hmm.

893

I know that I'm a really good pers-

like, great professional to work with.

894

And it really does help to work

with other amazing professionals-

895

Right … in this industry.

896

And that's where you get your preferred

vendors lists, where it's like,

897

"Hey," like, "you got your client.

898

I'm gonna recommend these several people."

899

Mm-hmm.

900

But it shouldn't be closed to just those

several people, and that's actually- Right

901

what I'm finding a little bit of,

where it- some of these planners

902

are, or venues, like, they're,

they're only saying, "Hey, only these

903

people are allowed to work here."

904

And it's like, what are you doing?

905

Like- Like,

906

Chris: how do I get on

that list, first off?

907

Boys: It's- I can kind of,

I can argue it for catering.

908

But outside of catering, it makes

it very, very hard to argue.

909

It's actually

910

Leigh: detrimental to the

client, 'cause it's like- No, I

911

Boys: completely agree with that … and

912

Leigh: it- it's, it's, it's like

a double-edged sword a little bit,

913

because it's like, yes, you really

do n- wanna work with professionals

914

that you're comfortable working with,

you know they're gonna do a good job.

915

And that's wonderful and amazing.

916

I, I love working with some of

the same people, but- Mm-hmm.

917

Yeah … 'cause that's

just so much fun, right?

918

But it shouldn't be closed to other

people who are actually maybe lesser

919

known- Yeah … from out of town.

920

Well, I, I think I'll excu- exclude the

out-of-towners, but there's a lot of

921

people here that are incredible at what

they do, and they're not in the circle.

922

So, you know, the can't sit with

us type of thing, and I just

923

don't really appreciate that.

924

Chris: Yeah.

925

I'm like- Interesting … 'cause I

remember- When we first booked one of

926

our locations and then we s- didn't

end up going with them, they're

927

like, "These are our preferred list.

928

You have-" Yeah "… to go with

these people," and I'm like, "Even

929

then-" It's one of the reasons

why we didn't go with them,

930

Leigh: yeah.

931

Even, it's been a thing, and it's ju-

I feel like it's just in Wilmington.

932

Like, I've worked with, with vendors

who have come in y- from out of town,

933

and they're like, "What's up with this

g-" And I'm like- Mm … "Good question.

934

It's been around for a minute."

935

Yeah.

936

I don't love it.

937

But I will, I'll…

938

I'm not gonna, ugh, I'm not

here to bad mouth anybody.

939

Yeah.

940

I think that, I think everybody,

you know, pretty much does a…

941

When it comes to their, their work-

What they do, pre- I don't have a

942

lot of people that I'm just like,

"I really hate working with them."

943

I really don't.

944

It seems like,

945

Boys: I don't know, I don't completely

agree with what I'm about to say,

946

but it seems like for the most part-

947

Leigh: Say it.

948

Well, I- Tell me

949

… Boys: I am going to say it anyway.

950

It seems like from the people that I

know, which is why I'm not going to

951

agree with exactly what I'm saying,

'cause I know there's a whole other

952

world- Mm-hmm … outside of the people

that I am, I'm aware of that do this.

953

Mm-hmm.

954

But the people that I'm aware of that

do this have been pretty seasoned in it

955

at this point, like 10, 15 years- Yes

956

they've been doing the same exact thing.

957

Yes.

958

Like, so whether I like you

or not, you're probably really

959

good at your job at this point.

960

Yeah.

961

And those are the people I'm thinking of.

962

Yeah.

963

As opposed to like, as I'm sure

there's a bunch of new people-

964

Yes … that like just picked up a

camera yesterday that them calling

965

themselves like a photographer

and don't know what they're doing.

966

So I- God help

me … excluding those people.

967

But anyway, continue.

968

Leigh: Explain those people?

969

No, excluding.

970

Excluding.

971

Excluding those people?

972

Yeah.

973

Yeah.

974

So I would

975

Chris: agree with your s-

976

Leigh: Yeah

977

… Chris: that there shouldn't be a closed

list, but I could see people who are like,

978

"We don't want this person shooting here."

979

Outside vendors notice

980

Leigh: it.

981

Chris: Yeah.

982

Leigh: It's noticeable.

983

Chris: Like, if I did, if I shot, had

somebody shoot two weddings at my venue

984

and our venue looked like crap in all

their photos, or they did a horrible job

985

working with everyone else- Yeah … I'd

be like, "Yeah, I don't want them here."

986

Leigh: Yeah.

987

Yeah, I won't, I won't go too

much farther on that topic.

988

But another controversial thought is

that if I could eliminate one shot from

989

the list, my shot list of like what

I do- Oh, yeah, yeah … for the day.

990

The super

991

Chris: shot list.

992

Yeah.

993

Leigh: it would be the hanging dress.

994

You know what I'm talking about?

995

Yeah.

996

When a girl's getting ready and

there's the dress, and it's on a

997

hanger that's probably plastic.

998

You know, and, and most, but see-

999

Chris: She didn't get a

wooden one or a fluffy one?

00:29:11,630 --> 00:29:13,360

Most brides don't think-

00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,780

Leigh: That photo … about

those types of details.

00:29:14,790 --> 00:29:19,100

So I actually have brought my

own hanging, my own hangers.

00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:19,140

Sure.

00:29:19,860 --> 00:29:22,020

But I don't even real- it

depends on the venue, too.

00:29:22,030 --> 00:29:26,575

Like, if you don't choose a venue

that- Has a good angle for it

00:29:26,575 --> 00:29:30,830

has, I don't know, nice architecture

or good lighting or anything

00:29:30,830 --> 00:29:32,050

like that, I'm just like, "Ugh."

00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,790

Even if a, even if you go the extra

mile and you get a form where you

00:29:37,790 --> 00:29:40,560

put the dress on that form, that-

Yeah … like mannequin form-

00:29:40,690 --> 00:29:43,010

Mm-hmm … I'd rather see it on you.

00:29:43,050 --> 00:29:44,450

I'd rather see it on the bride.

00:29:44,460 --> 00:29:46,780

Like, that's, I think that's

really my bread and butter.

00:29:46,790 --> 00:29:50,380

I love bridal photos, like, so much.

00:29:50,410 --> 00:29:52,400

I, I could shoot just brides all day long.

00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,660

I, I like to take my time

with photos like that.

00:29:55,690 --> 00:30:02,600

But I think that having good photography

really begins on, on, really begins

00:30:02,650 --> 00:30:05,110

at where you choose to get married.

00:30:05,150 --> 00:30:08,000

Now, I could shoot a pile

of garbage and make it look

00:30:08,100 --> 00:30:09,660

editorial and fun, cool, right?

00:30:09,670 --> 00:30:09,700

Mm-hmm.

00:30:10,020 --> 00:30:14,240

But if you choose somewhere that

has really good lighting, it's a

00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,810

beautiful place in general, like,

it's gonna be a whole lot easier for

00:30:17,850 --> 00:30:19,690

me to get really great photos there.

00:30:19,700 --> 00:30:19,720

Yeah.

00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,840

Not to say … I mean, I could pretty

much shoot anything at this point.

00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,460

I've shot anywhere, everywhere,

all the things, right?

00:30:25,470 --> 00:30:25,620

Mm-hmm.

00:30:25,660 --> 00:30:27,430

But it's super helpful.

00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:33,140

But there's not very many places

that I feel that really elevate

00:30:33,210 --> 00:30:36,320

the, the dress shot, in my opinion.

00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:37,060

But that's just my opinion.

00:30:37,090 --> 00:30:37,220

Yeah.

00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,560

Some people like … People, some

people just wanna see the dress.

00:30:40,390 --> 00:30:41,400

I'd rather get details.

00:30:41,410 --> 00:30:41,570

Yeah.

00:30:41,820 --> 00:30:42,230

Chris: Yeah.

00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:45,120

And it's hard when you do the dress

shot, 'cause you have to be so far

00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:46,840

back that you're not really seeing-

00:30:47,210 --> 00:30:47,540

Leigh: Oh

00:30:47,550 --> 00:30:47,570

all

00:30:47,570 --> 00:30:50,610

Chris: the details, even if

you're shooting in, like, 4 to 8K.

00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:52,970

Leigh: And then there's the

danger of moving the dress- Yeah

00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:54,910

… dropping it, which I have done.

00:30:55,490 --> 00:30:56,970

Chris: Why would you drop the dress?

00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:57,640

Leigh: In dirt.

00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:58,920

Chris: Oh, no.

00:30:58,930 --> 00:30:58,950

So.

00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:59,530

That's one … Yeah, I can't.

00:30:59,830 --> 00:31:00,060

Yeah.

00:31:00,900 --> 00:31:02,000

Leigh: Oh, horror stories.

00:31:02,310 --> 00:31:04,730

I mean, I've, I've had so many mishaps.

00:31:05,230 --> 00:31:07,730

Well, not so many, but in

the early days, I mean.

00:31:08,060 --> 00:31:08,260

Yeah.

00:31:08,990 --> 00:31:09,100

Chris: Yeah.

00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:09,420

It,

00:31:09,420 --> 00:31:10,620

Leigh: it was not good.

00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,300

Chris: I do think you're right.

00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,180

Like, on the body makes more sense, 'cause

you can- On the body makes more sense

00:31:16,180 --> 00:31:17,840

… you can see the flow of the dress.

00:31:18,060 --> 00:31:21,060

But some people don't

like the way they look.

00:31:21,490 --> 00:31:24,530

They look pretty in the dress, but they're

not, like, in love with the way it looks.

00:31:24,530 --> 00:31:26,470

They don't want you getting up

close and getting all the details.

00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:27,700

Leigh: Oh, that's what we should do.

00:31:28,940 --> 00:31:29,870

Chris: I didn't say you shouldn't.

00:31:29,870 --> 00:31:30,300

It's good stuff.

00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:31,140

I'm just saying some people don't.

00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:33,240

Oh, I get all up in there.

00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,210

To explain why they want the whole-

00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:35,180

Leigh: I get all up in there.

00:31:35,510 --> 00:31:42,682

But before somebody even hires me, they

know They know that I'm gonna be- All up

00:31:42,682 --> 00:31:45,342

in there … I'm, I'm gonna be picking

broccoli out of their teeth, okay?

00:31:45,342 --> 00:31:45,462

Uh-huh.

00:31:45,472 --> 00:31:48,022

Like, me fixing their dre-

like, I- Don't miss that.

00:31:48,222 --> 00:31:48,882

Get in there.

00:31:49,472 --> 00:31:52,212

Like, I, I think that brides should

hire a, a photographer that they

00:31:52,212 --> 00:31:54,222

actually really get along with.

00:31:54,232 --> 00:31:59,262

It's, I think now it's

more so about relational-

00:31:59,762 --> 00:31:59,992

Boys: Right

00:31:59,992 --> 00:32:02,652

… Leigh: situations m- more than style.

00:32:02,672 --> 00:32:07,052

I think that 'cause there's so many r-

there's, thanks to Instagram, there's so

00:32:07,052 --> 00:32:14,302

many amazing artists that have emerged

and become phenomenal photographers who

00:32:14,302 --> 00:32:15,822

have much less experience than I do.

00:32:15,832 --> 00:32:15,842

Mm.

00:32:15,862 --> 00:32:19,652

Like, I, those are the people I think that

we should all take something from, right?

00:32:20,182 --> 00:32:21,952

But, Oh, I lost my train of thought again.

00:32:21,952 --> 00:32:23,431

What were we talking about?

00:32:23,431 --> 00:32:24,712

Boys: I think- What is wrong with me?

00:32:24,802 --> 00:32:26,982

I think this will help kind

of like connect it all, too.

00:32:27,192 --> 00:32:30,932

Was it you that I saw that posted

the other day about photography being

00:32:30,932 --> 00:32:34,332

that's the number one professional that

you're gonna spend the most time with?

00:32:34,332 --> 00:32:34,512

Yes,

00:32:34,512 --> 00:32:34,882

Leigh: it is.

00:32:35,102 --> 00:32:35,486

Yeah, that's awesome.

00:32:35,486 --> 00:32:35,568

Yeah.

00:32:35,568 --> 00:32:39,492

Yes, your photographer is the person

that you hire that you're gonna spend

00:32:39,492 --> 00:32:42,502

the most amount of time with, so you

have to make sure that you like them.

00:32:42,512 --> 00:32:42,822

Right.

00:32:42,822 --> 00:32:43,162

You know?

00:32:43,562 --> 00:32:44,322

But I'm…

00:32:45,352 --> 00:32:46,332

And here's the other thing, too.

00:32:46,342 --> 00:32:50,042

Like, I like, I like to find out like,

obviously, I have to find out where

00:32:50,042 --> 00:32:53,612

a bride's getting married because I'm

like, "Look, I am, I'm, I am a ninja.

00:32:53,642 --> 00:32:55,062

I am everywhere."

00:32:55,342 --> 00:32:57,512

But like, not in a chaotic way.

00:32:57,512 --> 00:32:58,982

Like, you'll- Mm … never see me move.

00:32:58,992 --> 00:33:00,232

You'll never notice me move.

00:33:00,542 --> 00:33:05,352

But I mean, I get all the angles,

especially like, it, I didn't

00:33:05,352 --> 00:33:10,352

used to have second shooters in,

when I had restarted my company.

00:33:10,362 --> 00:33:10,372

Mm.

00:33:10,372 --> 00:33:10,392

Mm-hmm.

00:33:10,402 --> 00:33:10,422

Yeah.

00:33:10,632 --> 00:33:14,612

But that's one thing that I cannot

live without is a good second shooter

00:33:14,612 --> 00:33:16,592

because I can actually like breathe.

00:33:17,052 --> 00:33:17,402

Right.

00:33:17,452 --> 00:33:21,512

And I'm able to, that c- those

creative juices, see how I used

00:33:21,512 --> 00:33:22,332

that as an adjective- There you go.

00:33:22,852 --> 00:33:27,902

… are flowing and, and I can, I can

actually get the shots that people are,

00:33:28,562 --> 00:33:32,372

are, that they really, really, really

want because I got, I got backup.

00:33:32,402 --> 00:33:34,882

I got somebody else getting

that, those other perspectives.

00:33:34,882 --> 00:33:35,972

They're able to be creative.

00:33:36,362 --> 00:33:40,712

And the day doesn't have to be so chaotic

where I'm running around with a chicken.

00:33:40,712 --> 00:33:41,182

Yeah.

00:33:41,182 --> 00:33:43,022

With a chicken, like a

chicken with my head cut off.

00:33:43,932 --> 00:33:47,042

And it just makes everybody's day

a lot easier, which I've functioned

00:33:47,052 --> 00:33:48,362

that way really, really well.

00:33:48,392 --> 00:33:51,222

But why not do the absolute most?

00:33:51,262 --> 00:33:52,932

If I had it my way- Mm-hmm

00:33:52,932 --> 00:33:58,292

every bride that hires me w- would

have not just one second shooter with

00:33:58,292 --> 00:34:02,632

me, would have, I, I like, I like

rolling with three shooters total.

00:34:03,766 --> 00:34:04,576

That's ideal So you and two

00:34:04,576 --> 00:34:04,966

Boys: others?

00:34:05,266 --> 00:34:06,276

I would hire two- Or three and you?

00:34:06,756 --> 00:34:08,545

Leigh: Three to- so me

and then two others.

00:34:08,596 --> 00:34:08,706

Okay.

00:34:08,926 --> 00:34:09,966

That is ideal.

00:34:11,196 --> 00:34:11,396

Boys: Okay, that seems good.

00:34:11,396 --> 00:34:11,406

Yeah.

00:34:11,406 --> 00:34:11,815

That would make sense.

00:34:12,286 --> 00:34:12,525

Yeah.

00:34:12,525 --> 00:34:12,996

Yeah.

00:34:12,996 --> 00:34:13,636

Because

00:34:13,686 --> 00:34:17,146

Leigh: it, it just makes, because,

you know, I'm with the bride, and then

00:34:17,156 --> 00:34:19,726

my second shooter's with the groom,

and then my other shooter's getting-

00:34:20,346 --> 00:34:21,576

Mm … details, all that kind of stuff.

00:34:21,576 --> 00:34:24,666

But I also have a drone oper-

operator now, so I get aerial stuff.

00:34:24,676 --> 00:34:24,876

Oh, that's cool.

00:34:25,206 --> 00:34:25,896

It's phenomenal.

00:34:25,916 --> 00:34:26,606

It's really fun.

00:34:26,696 --> 00:34:27,766

We've really grown last year.

00:34:28,136 --> 00:34:28,525

Been really good.

00:34:28,525 --> 00:34:28,626

I'm kinda

00:34:28,626 --> 00:34:29,255

Chris: salty.

00:34:29,856 --> 00:34:32,815

Like, I had a drone, and we li-

we live too close to the airport

00:34:32,815 --> 00:34:34,036

so they wouldn't let it fly.

00:34:34,045 --> 00:34:34,065

Wow.

00:34:34,076 --> 00:34:34,096

Yeah.

00:34:34,596 --> 00:34:38,156

And then they passed a law that was like,

"Oh yeah, it doesn't matter anymore."

00:34:38,166 --> 00:34:38,396

Oh, it

00:34:38,406 --> 00:34:39,996

Boys: sends it down

automatically too, doesn't it?

00:34:40,056 --> 00:34:40,706

Chris: Yeah, my house.

00:34:40,976 --> 00:34:41,596

Yeah, it went down.

00:34:41,596 --> 00:34:41,716

Yeah.

00:34:41,856 --> 00:34:45,596

I, I put it up outside, and it said,

"Yeah, we're gonna force land you within

00:34:45,596 --> 00:34:48,400

the next 60 seconds, so you should

probably find a way to get this down."

00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:48,545

Yeah.

00:34:48,545 --> 00:34:48,565

Yeah.

00:34:48,956 --> 00:34:53,386

And then by the time I picked it back

up, the app had already been, like,

00:34:53,706 --> 00:34:56,716

updated and then my drone wasn't

supported anymore, and I'm like, "Well."

00:34:57,536 --> 00:34:58,136

That was fun.

00:34:58,346 --> 00:34:59,816

That was a fun $500

00:35:00,376 --> 00:35:00,616

Leigh: wasted.

00:35:00,916 --> 00:35:05,226

But I mean, I've got, gosh, everybody

always asks me, like, "What's your,

00:35:05,266 --> 00:35:06,306

what are your wedding horror stories?

00:35:06,306 --> 00:35:07,296

I bet you have stories for days."

00:35:07,326 --> 00:35:08,586

And I sh- I do.

00:35:08,936 --> 00:35:10,726

But it's so funny.

00:35:10,996 --> 00:35:14,486

I've actually only had one bridezilla,

and- Right … because sh- 'Cause

00:35:15,386 --> 00:35:17,126

Chris: you get to know

the people beforehand.

00:35:17,916 --> 00:35:18,551

Leigh: Mm-hmm.

00:35:18,551 --> 00:35:18,706

So.

00:35:18,706 --> 00:35:21,036

I've had coordinatorzillas,

I've had groomzillas.

00:35:21,076 --> 00:35:22,836

Like, but I've only had one bridezilla.

00:35:22,836 --> 00:35:26,126

I'm not gonna tell that story,

'cause if she saw this, she

00:35:26,126 --> 00:35:27,176

would know exactly who she is.

00:35:27,176 --> 00:35:27,606

You know what I mean?

00:35:27,636 --> 00:35:32,537

But I, in the early days, it, and

it, obviously in every photographer's

00:35:32,537 --> 00:35:36,287

contract, it's like you, there's a clause

that says, "Hey, you have to feed the, the

00:35:36,717 --> 00:35:38,287

photographer and all associates," right?

00:35:38,287 --> 00:35:38,377

Mm-hmm.

00:35:39,537 --> 00:35:43,107

We were shooting a wedding I think it

was at the Brooklyn Art Center, but this

00:35:43,107 --> 00:35:44,777

partic- this was, like, 10 years ago.

00:35:44,777 --> 00:35:46,007

Nobody would even know who this is, right?

00:35:46,007 --> 00:35:50,477

But this particular coordinator

refused to allow us to go get food.

00:35:51,327 --> 00:35:55,267

They didn't, you know, have, I don't

think they had any food planned

00:35:55,277 --> 00:35:57,617

for us, even though, like, it's

r- like, we're supposed- Right

00:35:57,617 --> 00:35:58,217

to eat.

00:35:58,226 --> 00:35:58,627

Yeah, it's in the contract.

00:35:58,627 --> 00:36:00,287

Like, it's actually, like, a law, right?

00:36:00,287 --> 00:36:00,337

It's a law.

00:36:00,337 --> 00:36:03,107

Like, you can't work longer than,

what, six hours without- Yeah … a

00:36:03,107 --> 00:36:04,246

meal in a regular workplace.

00:36:04,256 --> 00:36:04,276

Yeah.

00:36:04,276 --> 00:36:08,287

But anyways, but, and they're

like, "Yeah, you, and also, like,

00:36:08,297 --> 00:36:10,327

you can't be up here either.

00:36:10,677 --> 00:36:12,897

And, but we can put you in the basement.

00:36:13,027 --> 00:36:16,947

And oh, we don't really have food for

you, but we'll figure something out."

00:36:17,387 --> 00:36:19,637

And we were just like, "We're dying, man."

00:36:19,957 --> 00:36:20,257

Yeah.

00:36:20,317 --> 00:36:24,107

Somebody finally brings

down these styrofoam

00:36:25,509 --> 00:36:26,059

Chris: To-go things

00:36:26,129 --> 00:36:27,159

… Leigh: to-go things.

00:36:27,219 --> 00:36:28,049

And we open it up.

00:36:28,089 --> 00:36:30,029

It was Fyre Festival, okay?

00:36:30,999 --> 00:36:35,319

Grilled cheese, couple pieces of lettuce,

maybe some, like, mac and cheese on the

00:36:35,319 --> 00:36:37,698

side, and we were like, "What is this?"

00:36:37,698 --> 00:36:39,329

Chris: It's like, "This isn't even

the food they're getting upstairs."

00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:41,066

When we went upstairs- There's no

way they're just fighting through

00:36:41,066 --> 00:36:41,998

that You didn't have extra food.

00:36:42,208 --> 00:36:42,328

We

00:36:42,329 --> 00:36:42,749

Leigh: legit…

00:36:42,769 --> 00:36:43,968

This is actually really bad.

00:36:44,458 --> 00:36:45,558

Th- I don't want…

00:36:45,698 --> 00:36:47,629

This was a long time ago.

00:36:47,849 --> 00:36:51,199

I would never do this now, but i- if

anything, nowadays I would just be

00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:54,629

like, it's actually in my contract that

says that we can go off premises- Right

00:36:54,629 --> 00:36:55,429

and go get food, right?

00:36:55,459 --> 00:36:59,258

But we went upstairs, and we

took a plate, and we just…

00:36:59,258 --> 00:36:59,648

It was so bad.

00:36:59,648 --> 00:37:00,699

It was so…

00:37:01,298 --> 00:37:03,099

But I'm just like, "I'm sorry.

00:37:03,289 --> 00:37:05,409

We can't eat-" Right … and it

was like, it was, it was like

00:37:05,419 --> 00:37:08,089

Wonder Bread with a, one of those-