Welcome back to Late Boomers! We’re your hosts, Cathy Worthington and Merry Elkins, and today we’re bringing you a truly enlightening episode with inventor, engineer, and Eagle Research founder George Wiseman. We’ll take a deep dive into the fascinating world of Brown’s gas, hydrogen technology, and its revolutionary potential for wellness, aging, and living life to the fullest no matter your stage or age.

Are you ready to challenge the idea that aging means inevitable decline? So are we! That’s why we’re excited about this episode, where innovation meets health and aging is redefined with cutting-edge science and real-life stories.

George Wiseman joins us to share his decades-long journey with Brown’s gas, a unique hydrogen-based technology originally designed for alternative energy and fuel efficiency but now showing significant promise for home wellness and anti-aging. From growing up off-grid on a remote ranch in British Columbia to becoming a leader in alternative healing technologies, George’s story is as bold and inspiring as the science he’s championing.

Key Takeaways

• Brown’s gas is more than hydrogen: It includes a special form of electrically expanded water, providing both powerful nutrition and energy to the body (15:50).
• Hydrogen deficiency may be a root cause of many chronic illnesses and accelerated aging (13:01). Brown’s gas inhalation may support regeneration, immune function, pain relief, and more.
• Safety and proper dosing matter: George cautions against “more is better” thinking, emphasizing that 2% hydrogen is scientifically proven to be the therapeutic optimum (24:12).
• Tested results: George and many users report reductions in pain, reversal of scars, improved mobility, and enhanced mental acuity. There are even cases of significant healing from serious illnesses when using Brown’s gas consistently (26:21, 37:32).
• George’s story is personal: He devoted his life to this technology after the loss of his late wife, striving to help others avoid needless pain and suffering (48:07).
• Empower yourself: As we age, it’s vital to stay curious, seek evidence, and make informed choices about your health; don’t just accept the status quo (44:01).

If today’s conversation sparked your curiosity, don’t stop here!

• Visit George’s website at eagle-research.com to learn more about AquaCure and his research.
• Share this episode with fellow boomers and loved ones who want to rethink what’s possible for their health and wellness.
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Remember: It’s never too late to rethink what’s possible!

Thank you for tuning in and staying curious,

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What if one of the most intriguing technologies for the future of wellness started with something as simple as water and an inventor trying to make cars use less fuel?

Well, today we're talking about Brown's gas hydrogen technology at home wellness, and a very big question: As we get older, should we simply accept decline? I know I won't. Or should we keep looking for new ways to live more fully?

And I think our Late Boomers audience always knows the answer to that question, and our guest has spent decades asking exactly those questions.

So let's get into it.

Welcome to the Late Boomers Podcast, where we bring you inspiring stories of people creating new chapters in life. with style, power, and impact. I'm Cathy Worthington.

And I'm Merry Elkins. And today we're talking about innovation, aging, wellness, and the sometimes very surprising places those worlds intersect.

Our guest is George Wiseman, an inventor, an engineer, and the founder of Eagle Research. George has spent decades developing Brown's gas technology Initially looking at it as an alternative energy and fuel efficiency technology before becoming interested in its possible wellness applications.

Yep. And thank you. And it is great to have you here. So welcome to Late Boomers.

It is really great to be here. And I'm going to start by saying, you see me with the oxygen cannulas on. I'll just clear the air and say I'm inhaling Brown's gas as we speak. It's not oxygen. It's one of the technologies we'll be talking about today.

In your whole room?

No, no, just in the cannulas. I have a machine that's making the gas and then I'm inhaling it as we speak.

Oh, nice. George, take us back to the beginning. You grew up as a rancher's son in a remote off-grid environment. So how did that upbringing shape the inventor and problem solver you eventually became?

Wow, it really did. Okay, so we were in the middle of British Columbia, Canada, because my father, who worked for the Bureau of Land Management in the United States, learned that he could buy land for $2,000 for a quarter section, which was 160 acres. So he bought several thousand acres.

Yeah.

In the middle of British Columbia, Canada, and essentially bought 5 ranches and made a very large ranch. And then in the summertime, we used to live in Oregon, well, actually Montana, Oregon, and Alaska. And in the summers, we'd go up and work on the ranch, putting in tens of miles of fencing and stuff to bring these ranches back into actual production. And in 1974, we actually moved onto the ranch. And, uh, and we were living there ever since. But the interesting thing is the ranch was so far out that we didn't even have radio. You couldn't even get radio. There was, there was no electricity.

There was no, the ranch house was built that we lived in was a 25-foot-square trapper's cabin that was built in the 1800s.

Wow.

And, and literally we'd get up in the morning and saddle horses and go out and ride and do all the things that ranchers and cowboys do.

It sounds idyllic, really.

Does it mean that, did you have cattle?

Yes, we, it was a cattle ranch. That's right. And my mother had a quarter-acre-sized garden where she grew most of our food because the, uh, uh, the, the town was, was a day's drive away. So only once a month or so, dad would go to town to get any necessary parts or anything like that. So, and, and for us kids, we, there was a little country school. Which, uh, almost like the one-room schoolhouse that a person would, would, uh, learn from, learn what it was like in the old days. Uh, but it was an hour's bus drive to even get to the school. So in the, in the wintertime, we would, uh, dad had 7 kids.

So there was 9 of us living in this little cabin.

I was going to ask you that.

7?

7, yeah.

And, uh, and, and the dogs and cats and everything were, were all living in this little, little house. So even in, and there was no indoor plumbing. So there was an outhouse where you'd have to go out even in the blowing snow and, and, uh, do your business. Yeah, it was, it was, uh, we were strong and, and I didn't know that we were poor.

Okay.

But, but we were. Mom made us our own clothes with a little, uh, sewing machine with the treadmill thing on it so that it, it made it. Yeah. She, she was a hardworking woman and she did—

No electricity.

She did not get the, uh, the credit that she deserved. Like this woman was in Incredible. So in any case, we'd get up at, she'd get up and she'd stoke the fires at about 4:30 in the morning and, and get us boys up so that we would go and snowshoe or ski to wherever the cattle were because we put up loose hay. There was, dad didn't do baled hay or anything like that. And so, uh, the cattle were wherever the water was and we'd build a haystack there and, and the water, we'd chop a hole in the ice so that the cattle could drink. And then fork out about 4 tons of loose hay, and then we'd ski or snowshoe back and get ready to go to school, eat our breakfast. We, we go walk a quarter mile to the bus stop, catch the bus, an hour to get to the school, do school, an hour back, and then go and feed the cattle again at night. So pretty much during the—

Yeah, that's quite the effort.

But I considered myself to be a lazy person when I was growing up.

Oh my goodness.

Because I didn't like to fix anything more than once. Okay? So this is how a person thinks. Anyway, I did— there were no mechanics, there were no doctors, there were no plumbers, there were no electricians, there were no veterinarians, there were nothing. If you— if something didn't get done or needed done, you did it yourself or it didn't get done. So we learned a lot, obviously, in that sort of circumstance. And Obviously, even though our nearest neighbor was a mile away, we would, uh, if anybody needed help, it was like we helped each other because it was life and death.

It really sounds like a wonderful way to live. And with all your brothers and sisters, you had a lot of help, I imagine.

It was interesting. Let's, let's just put it that way.

So anyway, you had cars and gasoline?

We, we did. Yes. Dad didn't like to start an engine unless he had to because, of course, the fuel had to be brought onto the ranch and stuff like that. But that comes to the next step.

Yeah. Well, let me ask you something. I want to hear about Brown's gas. I'm sure our audience would love to know. And your original work with that was focused on energy and combustion, talking about cars and electricity and fuel efficiency. So, When did you first realize this technology might have applications beyond producing something for automobiles and energy?

Okay.

A quick preamble first. When I left the ranch, I was driving in a 1966 Ford pickup truck, which was getting 36 miles to the gallon. And I didn't know that pickup trucks weren't supposed to get 36 miles to the gallon. So when I started my own inventing business after having traveled around the States and doing, well, the young man stuff, working in various places, I decided I'd work for myself and I started my own business for fuel saving. But that ended up being about in the mid-'80s when they were switching from carbureted vehicles to fuel-injected vehicles.

Mm-hmm.

And so I needed to find ways to increase the fuel efficiency of fuel-injected vehicles. And Brown's gas was one of those techniques. So in my business, from the early start, I was using Brown's gas to help increase the fuel economy of vehicles, which generally speaking, we're getting about a 25% increase in economy using the Brown's gas technology. But if you put in all my technologies, I was doubling the mileage of pretty much any vehicle. So I—

And you were inventing those processes or you found them?

That's right.

They weren't available yet.

For the most part, I was inventing them. Obviously, I did a lot of research and see, uh, one of the technologies after I invented it, I discovered was actually invented over 100 years before by Mercedes-Benz and they, and they never put it on their vehicles. It was a fuel evaporation system.

You want to kill them.

Have they yet?

I used it to double my, double the mileage of my RV. Went from 7 miles to the gallon to 14 miles to the gallon. Just that one simple thing, which incidentally I had installed it originally on my RV generator. So the generator was running on gasoline fumes, but it wasn't doing anything when I was just driving down the road. So I just hooked it up to the regular engine as well so that it would increase the efficiency of the combustion of the engine. So it was a dual purpose. Anyway, getting back to the Brown's gas. So over the years, I sold, I probably helped over 200,000 people increase their fuel economy.

And I was experimenting with Brown's gas with various electrolyzers. And I developed a large electrolyzer that could fuel a torch, an acetylene torch. So it produced enough gas to replace it. So you could do everything that acetylene could do and better at 2% of the cost. So hundreds of people were buying those water torches as well. And some of them—

I don't know what that is, a torch.

Yeah.

That water torch. Well, yes. And I assume a lot of late bloomers aren't old, old folks like me listening to you. It's probably more feminine, but, um, it's a flame. It's, it's, it's a long, it's a long flame where you can melt steel, cut steel, uh, braze things together, that sort of thing. So for me, uh, it was, and I still have that in my shop. I don't use acetylene anymore. I just use a Brown's gas for that.

But getting back to the relevant part that Merry was coming at, the, um, a chiropractor learned about Brown's gas and, and since he was doing oxygen therapies, asked me, since he knew there was oxygen in Brown's gas, he asked me if I could use Brown's gas in a similar way. And I said, I don't know, let's find out. So he, he was actually retired. His name was Lloyd Jacob in Spokane, Washington. And, uh, He came out of retirement because he discovered that the Brown's gas worked much better than anything else he had tried. So he helped thousands of people for many more years with the topical applications of Brown's gas. So we got quite a few testimonials from that, including one from his wife, who he was never able to adjust. He was a chiropractor all his life and wasn't able to adjust his own wife until He used the Brown's gas to help relax the muscles and stuff, and then he was able to adjust her.

So that was—

Did they inject it or did she just breathe it in?

No, just topical. Instead of having the hoses come like I have to my nose here, the hose would just come to a little— and he actually used simple things like a toilet bowl plunger because it's a rubber cup.

Let's back up a minute. Let's back up a minute. Yeah. Let's back up a minute because I think a lot of listeners have never even heard the term Brown's gas. And, we're proceeding like everyone knows what this is and we don't. So, how is it different from simply producing hydrogen?

What is it?

That's a really good question.

Okay.

So, hydrogen is good and hydrogen is necessary. Our bodies are 62% hydrogen by volume, 24% carbon— sorry, oxygen, 12% carbon, 1% nitrogen, and 1% everything else. So when people are talking about nutrition, they're usually talking vitamins and minerals and things, and that's all part of the 1%, not the 62%. So just hydrogen is very important macronutrient and has been ignored for hundreds of years. Believe it or not, 200 years ago, they were using hydrogen for health. And then it just kind of got forgotten and put aside. That's right.

And they somehow considered it at some point, they treated it as quackery or like bad medicine. Yeah, yeah.

Like a lot of things, like homeopathy and various herbs and stuff. Modern medical science, let's not even go there.

Okay, yeah, let's not.

That's like one of my pet peeves.

That's not what we're gonna do on this podcast today. We won't solve it today.

No, but hydrogen has been around and is important, and most of us are hydrogen deficient. So, it's turning out that virtually every ailment known to mankind, particularly the serious ones, are because of a lack of hydrogen, a hydrogen deficiency. So, if you have cancer, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, ALS, virtually all the autoimmune diseases, all these things are a lack of hydrogen. If you have a scar anywhere on your body—

Really?

You have a lack of hydrogen. When I started inhaling the Brown's gas, all the scars on my body disappeared.

Really?

If you don't have enough hydrogen, your body will start to shut down extraneous systems that aren't immediately life-threatening. So first one goes is your regeneration system. So your stem cells and things, you'll age faster. Okay? And as late bloomers, we don't want to do that.

No, we are still booming.

We're late boomers. We're not late bloomers. Bloomers.

That's right.

We're boomers.

Yeah. Booming boomers.

Booming boomers. Bloomers.

Booming boomers. Yeah.

Not bloomers.

Okay. So in any case, the next thing, if you, uh, don't, still don't have enough hydrogen, your body will start to shut down the immune systems. So you'll get sick easier. And then if you don't have enough hydrogen after that, your organs will start to fail and you'll die. So it's really important. to get your immune system and your regeneration system all back and your organs all ado. So, in my own personal experience, and we can get to how that happened because obviously, I came at this from an entirely different perspective than health.

Mm-hmm.

My heart murmur healed. I no longer wear glasses. All the scars on my body went away. I had hand warts, they're gone. I had neuropathies, loss of feeling in the skins, they were gone. I had arthritis, I now have full functionality, strength, and no pain. In fact, that's one of the most blessing things about this.

Was this like over a very long period of time? What is the timeframe of all of this?

From when I started healing, most of those things happened within a year. So, but within even the first couple, 3 months, I could tell that it was, it was really doing well because like, for example, I had psoriasis on my elbows, knees, and feet. And, and I, I grew up on a cattle ranch. I thought those were calluses.

Okay.

Thick white peeling skin. So, In any case, my skin started to peel off like a snake shedding its skin. And that was very disconcerting until I realized that it was not painful and underneath was baby-smooth skin. It was beautiful. So I thought, okay, I can live with that. But shortly after that, then I recommended to people that they could inhale the gas and how to inhale the gas. And then testimonials really started to come in. But let's go back to— Tell us about that.

What is Brown's gas? Let's just quickly answer that question. So, first of all, it's mostly hydrogen. So, everything that pure molecular hydrogen can do, Brown's gas can do better because Brown's gas also contains a special form of water, which is water that has soaked up electrons like a sponge soaks up water. So, what I'm inhaling right now is a mixture of hydrogen, oxygen, and this electrically expanded water that I call it. Technically, for the nerds out there, it's a negatively charged cold plasma form of water. And it's made in the special electrolyzers that were promoted by Yul Brown, which is why we call it Brown's gas. So interestingly enough, I put my alternative energy— oh, by the way, when I left the ranch and got into where there was electricity and running water, I swore never to be without that again. So—

That's a good idea.

I can imagine.

So I learned I learned everything I could about how electricity works and that sort of thing so that I could do it myself. And now the ranch has electricity and that sort of thing as well. So interestingly enough.

Oh, you still have the land? You still have all that ranch?

Yes, my younger brother runs the ranch now, yes.

Excellent.

And it's on board.

Let's talk about AquaCure. AquaCure is your product, right? What is the device? What is it? How does it work and what are the main ways people are using it at home?

We're really kind of jumping around, but—

I'm sorry.

No worries.

You want to go back to the ranch?

There was a little bit of backstory in that.

Okay, sorry.

No worries. So I learned things to do it myself. So when I build machines, for example, I go back to my laziness factor. I don't like to fix them. I like to build them so that they last for decades. And as an automotive technician, they actually build the cars deliberately so they will wear out so that they can, first of all, have a lot of money.

Everything these days, everything wears out quickly.

Toasters, blenders, everything.

So our machine, my machines, I build them so they don't wear out. And when I was fixing things on the ranch, for example, I would figure out why it broke and fix it in a way that it would not break again. That's, that was my laziness factor. I didn't like to fix things more than once. So, I brought that philosophy and those mechanical abilities, technical expertise to the AquaCure. So, the AquaCure is a Brown's gas machine that people can have in their own home to make as much Brown's gas as they want so they can treat their whole family and even make water for friends and stuff like that. And, it's made to actually make your hydrogen-rich water at the same time as inhaling. I love two-fers.

I designed all my equipment so that it can do that particular thing.

Is it like an air purifier or is it a small machine?

It's about the size of a large toaster and it weighs about 16 pounds. You put it on your counter or on a little utility cart to move it around. It's a relatively square rectangle, rectangular shape, the one that we're building now, which we call the AC60, Model AC60. And, interestingly enough, it's a newly introduced model. The original was AC50, but it didn't have a drain. So, it required people, especially people that were older, to lift up this 16 pounds to pour out the solution when we're doing a cleaning. So, we decided to make the drain and that's the way it is now. And, we're already getting lots of accolades for people that don't have to lift the machine anymore to do the proper maintenance.

And does it produce water that people can drink?

Yeah, what you do is it produces the gas and then you can bubble water. So I bubble distilled water. I don't put anything in it and bubble it, and then that's the water that I drink. But the, yeah.

Bubble it.

Okay. So, what questions should a consumer or customer ask about— I want to talk more about AquaCure. And so, talking about the hydrogen and wellness, what questions should a consumer ask if they want to try this?

Okay. I'll put out a couple of caveats. One thing is that there's a lot of hydrogen for health information out there now. and a lot of people jumping on the bandwagon. They don't have my 40-plus years of experience, and they're just kind of making do with whatever they come up with to make some money. And unfortunately, they also don't have the knowledge about the explosiveness of hydrogen. Now, there used to be a thing called the Hindenburg syndrome because the Hindenburg was—

Yes.

People have kind of forgotten that these days. And interestingly enough, even when the Hindenburg Hindenburg burned, it didn't explode because the bags were filled with hydrogen, and hydrogen in and of itself can't burn. It has to mix with oxygen. So what was happening is the bags got ruptured and the, and the hydrogen was venting, and static electricity or something set it on fire so that the flames were going upward because hydrogen flames rise. And so the gondola in the bottom was fine. The people that— there was about 160 people or something like that in this gondola. And so as the airship settled to the ground, the only people that actually died or were seriously injured were the people that jumped out while it was still like 100 or so feet above the ground. The people that waited for it to settle to the ground and then jumped off and ran away, there was about 60 of those.

They were just fine. So anyway, that's, that's the Hindenburg story. Back to where we are. Um, if you watch the movie Outbreak with Dustin Hoffman, Mm-hmm. It'll talk about a hydrogen-oxygen bomb, which is the most explosive bomb that they have short of nuclear, tactical nuclear. So they, and it can wipe out a whole village at a time or something. The point is that hydrogen-oxygen mixtures are explosive. And I know this from personal experience, having done thousands of experiments over the years, but also as an automotive technician, I understand something called the lower explosion limit.

I also worked in a mine for a while and I got my blasting certification where we used to blow mountains apart for a living.

Wow.

So I'm very aware of explosives. So it's very important to be safe when you're dealing with hydrogen. Now, these machines are relatively small and they produce a relatively small amount of hydrogen. You'll never have enough hydrogen to have a room explode or anything like that. But the gas that's coming out of these cannula right here is combustible and explosive. If I light a match to it, it'll have what's called a backfire that goes to the machine. Now, our machines are designed to handle that. A lot of machines out there are not.

And it turns out that even if you have an electrostatic spark to the hose, it can ignite the gas inside the machine, inside the hose. Okay?

Hmm.

So it's, um, Conductive, they call it, there's a name for it in particular. I keep coming up with conductive. Capacitive conductance, there we go.

Okay.

So because the hose itself acts like a capacitor, when you have a high voltage on the inside, it'll affect the electrons on the— or on the outside, it'll affect the electrons on the inside and cause the gas to explode. So in any case, Explosions are rare, but they do happen, and you want to be safe when that happens. There's a bunch of people out there that are selling machines, and it has become quite a lot of people now that are saying more is better. If a little hydrogen is good, more is better. And that's not true. Absolutely not true. You see somebody saying that, run. Turn, run.

Don't pay any more attention to them. At all. So one of the first things to pay attention to is how much hydrogen they're actually having you inhale.

And what's the percentage again?

The percentage of hydrogen in air that is the lower combustible limit is 4.7% hydrogen in air. But it's been proven scientifically that 2% hydrogen being inhaled is the therapeutic optimum. The therapeutic efficacy optimum. There's no reason to go beyond 2%. If you even go to 3%, you get no more health gains than 2%. This has been scientifically established over hundreds of studies, of which there's been thousands, but a lot of them were for hydrogen-rich water. So, but of the gas inhalation. And interestingly enough, in those where they were doing rodent studies, they have a little terrarium where they put in the hydrogen, so they're inhaling 2% hydrogen without little cannulas.

You know, it's just in the air that they're breathing. They'll have little mice running around with the cannulas.

We don't have the little things. That's right.

Although I've seen dogs, they put them on dogs for people that are doing their pets and stuff. And dogs are, uh, will hand— cats won't, but dogs seem to work okay. But anyway, my point was those rodents had a longevity boost. Not only were they healthy, they were healthy for a 30% longer lifespan at the minimum. Most were a 50% healthy lifespan longer. So you could be playing with your great-grandkids. Okay. And then there was one particular study, which I was amused to see, where they, they actually didn't know how long the rats would have lived because it was well after 50%.

And the study ended, they, they lost their funding. So they euthanized the rats.

Aw, poor rats.

Well, what about People, have they, have some of your customers actually shown that they've healed and lived longer?

Well, for myself, for example, and I get testimonials like this all the time, I now look like I did 20 years ago. If you compare pictures of what I am now to 20 years ago, you could see that I look like I did 20 years ago.

We don't know how old you are.

Oh, I'm almost 70.

And you're saying you look like your 50-year-old pictures.

Yes. When I started inhaling 10 years ago, I looked older than I do now. And I have my video of when I first started inhaling on my YouTube channel so people can see that.

Oh, good.

Which brings us back to how the progression of health, how I kind of got into the hydrogen for health. I'd like to tell this story because it's—

Okay.

It's a story that it's nice to hear. In any case, the niece of Lloyd Jacob made plants grow better. So some people started bubbling the water, and this was back in the '90s before there was any hydrogen for health craze, and drinking the bubbled water. And one particular person in 1996 put the bubbled water on a cotton ball and put it in a plastic cap And taped it to a melanoma on his forehead and in 3— and kept rewetting the cotton ball with the bubbled water. And in 3 weeks' time, his melanoma was gone, completely gone, baby smooth skin. Yes. I didn't believe him. So it took my customers with stories like this till 2005.

So it was 1996 to 2005 before they convinced me to bubble the water and drink it myself.

So when you say bubble the water, you mean boil it?

No, no, no. Just put the gas in the water so the bubbles are coming in the water. And it gives, it charges the water with the hydrogen and the electrically expanded water. So it gives it an electrical charge as well as the gas, the hydrogen gas. And so from 2005 to 2007, I was drinking the water and I didn't get sick anymore. I used to get sick 3 times a winter. I could count on it. Cold or flu, it's that sort of thing.

So, I then, because I try things myself first, I then recommended it to my customers and I made a little machine we called the ER50, which was just an assembly of tubes and stuff, a little Brown's gas machine. And, until March of 2016, that's the machine I was selling and I was recommending people to bubble the water. And, I haven't been sick since 2005, by the way. I've had a cold in that my nose will run for maybe a day or two, but that's it. I haven't let my immune system take care of it and that's it. So the, in December of 2015, I got a video or people were asking me, sorry, if they could inhale the gas. And I was saying, no, it's not a good idea to inhale a potentially combustible mixture. Now you can see I am inhaling, so obviously I was wrong.

Because I had forgotten about the lower combustibility limit. And in December of 2015, a customer sent me a video of a Taiwanese hydrogen bar, which people could go and buy a Brown's gas treatment just like we buy a cup of coffee. And at that point, I realized the lower combustibility limit and how I'd been wrong all the time. But at that point, I was taking care of my late wife. I was 24/7 caretaker of my late wife. I couldn't do any business. I couldn't be away from her more than 20 or 30 minutes at a time. She couldn't even roll over in bed without assistance anymore.

She had lost her hair and her eyesight. Her organs were gradually failing.

Did Brown's gas help her at all?

I'm going to get to that. The short answer is no, but there's a caveat. So she wouldn't even drink the Brown's gas water. Because the, uh, and we hadn't thought about inhaling up until that time, uh, because I thought the gas was explosive, potentially explosive. So, uh, she wouldn't drink the Brown's gas water because her sister-in-law was a science major. And when, and she said, you shouldn't drink water that has a pH of 8. So later we learned, of course, that the higher pH water was healthy. But, uh, anyway, she wouldn't drink.

I drank the water, but she didn't. In any case, in March of 2016, she died. And that was, and still is, even though it's been 10 years, it's still very difficult for me. It took me 5 tries to even get back into the apartment that we were living in because I'd see her stuff and I just would turn around and walk for another couple miles and then turn around and come back. We had 5 cats. I had to get in there to feed them at some point. But I never slept in our marriage bed again. And as I was sitting on the couch, because I slept on the couch, and just staring off into space, I look over my shoulder and I see this ER-50 that I was using to bubble water.

And I thought, okay, I will— I'll bubble the water. No, I'll make it so I can inhale from it. And I put up a video camera in front of my— in front of me because I'm an inventor and I record things. And I thought, if something bad happened, there'd be a recording of my idiocy. But everything went well, and that video is still on my YouTube channel so people can see what I looked like in March of 2016. And then after a month of inhaling, things like that psoriasis were happening, and my libido came back.

Hmm.

And I could— that was interesting. That was very interesting. And I could theoretically have gotten in trouble. You know, if you're an old guy and you get a libido of a 17-year-old, it There's a lot of men who might want to listen to that. It's not only the men. The women have been telling me the same thing. So what happened, I did start dating again. That saved my life, that libido coming back, because at that point, I started to care if I lived or died.

Before that, my life had disappeared. I had no reason for living. My chest would start hurting to the point where I'd realize I hadn't even taken a breath. Okay, grief is something you have to experience to understand fully.

Yeah, we know.

I believe you. At our age, we know. Okay, so in any case, after a month, I saw it was okay. I tried it on myself. I told my thousands of customers that had ER50s how to modify them to safely inhale the Brown's gas. So that they wouldn't be inhaling more than a 2% mixture, like I was talking about before. And then testimonials really started to come in, testimonials of all different kinds, because the inhalation of the gas was about 10 times more effective than the drinking of the hydrogen-rich water.

Oh.

So in fact, if you're inhaling for 12 seconds, you get as much hydrogen in your bloodstream as drinking a liter of hydrogen-rich water. So it's, it's very much—

Outstanding.

Yes. And we've also learned that— now, before I was, I was giving the caveat more is not better— longer is better. Keeping the blood saturated. And that's one of the reasons I inhale every time I sit down at the computer. And we have a couple of other machines like near the bed and the couch and stuff. So wherever we are, we can be inhaling. Longer is more therapeutic. And that's what, that's what we've discovered.

keeping the blood saturated with the hydrogen is better. And that comes back to a study that was done in Japan where they took fam— Japanese are obsessed with longevity and health. And so they took families that were dying early and they measured the hydrogen coming out. Well, they measured lots of things, but one of the things with the hydrogen being exhaled in their exhaled breath. And families that lived over 100 years typically, and they found The main common denominator was that the long-lived families all had excess hydrogen coming out their breath. Now, normally we get our hydrogen from our food, hydrocarbons. And when the digestive system breaks off the carbon from the hydrogen, the hydrogen goes into your bloodstream through your intestines. And so your intestines are breathing in a way.

So that's how we get our hydrogen normally. But most people have had their microbiome decimated and the particular microbiome that actually does that breaking is mostly gone. So a lot of people are hydrogen deficient and that's why we're getting these—

How would they know?

Well, first of all, if you have any of the ailments that I was just talking about, you are hydrogen deficient because virtually every one of them, like even Parkinson's, in an hour of inhaling hydrogen, the tremors are gone. So we're talking—

Oh, wow.

Simplest molecule in the world. You don't need any drugs. You don't need any therapies. You just need to replace the nutrition that your body needs. And we're talking cancers, like every different kind of cancer. I was just talking to a guy who had an almost baseball-sized tumor in his head and he was still cognizant. The doctors were very amazed. And it had already, after about 3 months of inhaling the Brown's gas, shrunk to the size of a golf ball.

So his body was gradually getting rid of it. I have a testimonial from a woman, a California girl who was only 26 years old, and she had breast cancer that had metastasized through to her spine.

Oh.

Okay? The oncologist, when she refused to have the chemo, radiation, and and aggressive surgery, which would have left her a paraplegic, but she refused those. The oncologist told her she might as well go to the top of this 10-story building and jump off because she has only 2 weeks to live.

What kind of doctor would tell somebody that?

Oncologists do that all the time. I had a similar experience. I did. I had a melanoma on my cheek right here.

Okay?

And when I refused to have the doctor, I said, I have Brown's gas. I'm going to treat this myself. And the doctor said, don't bother coming back to me. He said, I'll refuse to treat you. If you don't let me cut that out right now, I'll refuse to treat you. I refused, but I had this personal experience with an oncologist.

Mm-hmm.

So in any case, it's 100% gone. Like I said, with the 1996 thing, I just used the Brown's gas bubbled with the cotton and, uh, and, and the melanoma is 100% gone.

So there's a lot of people our age, uh, or in the boomer area who've had surgeries or obviously injured themselves in different ways throughout their lives and they have scars. So how would you heal a scar?

I'll get right back to that. I'll finish Jay Lee's story first. And remind me if I forget, okay? My memory is really good, but it's short. All right. So Jaylee was engaged to a man in Australia, and his father knew an affiliate of ours that was renting AquaCures. And so he rented an AquaCure for his future daughter-in-law, and she started using it. In addition to going 100% healthy, she changed the detergents that she was using on her clothes. Didn't do any synthetics, just everything healthy as possible.

And 1 year later was 100% cancer-free.

Wow.

From being told that she was going to die in 2 weeks.

Exactly. And of course, she didn't have to have the surgery for her spine and all those things. So she's— she was running around joyfully on the beach and things. Her testimonial is absolutely amazing.

So, well, okay, if someone listening is intrigued by AquaCure or Brown's gas but doesn't want to be sold a miracle, what would be your practical checklist for, for them to evaluate claims and safety and evidence?

Well, is there one thing? Yeah, we, we don't have a claim. Uh, we can't. We're not MDs.

You can't.

So what we offer is a 1-year satisfaction guarantee. Because if anyone who uses this thing for a year will never let it go. And interestingly enough, the returns that we have for it didn't work for me is about 1 in 1,000. And I started paying attention to the hour meter on the back of the machine. The longest that one of these people used the machine was 40 hours. So in a year, and it didn't work for them. Oh, in a year.

In a year. Yeah, stretched out. That's not very many hours a day.

I do 3 times more than that in a week.

Oh, how many hours or how much time do you need to inhale this or drink it?

A person who is absolutely healthy, in my opinion, is an hour a day. People who have serious ailments like cancer should be inhaling at least 8 hours a day. You have to keep the blood saturated so the hydrogen can go right into the cells, into the nucleus, into the DNA, and repair things. Your body has the intelligence it needs if it gets the energy and the nutrition it needs. Brown's gas gives both. It gives the nutrition, the hydrogen, and the energy, the bioavailable electrons in the electrically expanded water. People that are ill have usually used up their energy reserves and their energy generation systems have become compromised. So that's why the Brown's gas is about 30% more therapeutically efficacious over just the plain hydrogen.

because you're getting the energy at the same time, which bypasses all the regular energy systems of your digestive system and all that kind of stuff. Uh, you did have a question where I went back to the Jae Lee, and now I've forgotten it already.

About the scars.

About the scars, yeah.

Scars, okay. So what happened, uh, so with me, it took about a year to get rid of all my scars, between 8 months and a year. And interestingly enough, the scars healed in reverse order to when I got them. So somehow my body memory or whatever it happens to be, the most recent scars healed first and the ones I got when I was a very young child healed the last. So, and so what happened was my organs healed, like my heart and, and, and the skin is one of your organs. And as the regeneration systems turned back on, it got rid of the scars. By the way, the brown scabs helps wounds heal about 3 times faster.

Wow.

And no scar. So people who are doing cosmetic surgery and all the bruising— oh yeah, same thing. Yeah, everything where the body needs to heal. And also it gets rid of inflammation really quickly. So inflammation is really important when you're, when you're healing to start the healing process, but then you got to shut it off and the Brown's gas helps do that. So the healing process—

So hey, if you're going for a facelift, do you think like the next day you're hooked up? Absolutely.

Yeah, yeah, I would be doing it—

asking for a friend.

I would, I would even be doing it before the facelift time so that everything is—

So then you won't need the facelift?

Well, it's possible, it's possible. I got rid of all the wrinkles and, and crow's feet. I, I used to have a scar right here on my forehead where I was, and that's one of the first ones I noticed was gone. And then I checked elsewhere on my body and, and those kind of scars were gone.

What about things like Alzheimer's? Are you seeing any reversal? Anybody getting better?

Yes, absolutely.

Is there any documentation of that where their doctors said, what happened?

I think there is, but I haven't looked at it. And we have testimonials of that. One thing, I was at a conference one time and I had my booth set up and so people could come and get a treatment right there at the booth. And this man walked up with his father, and his father was just shuffling along like a zombie. And they sat him down in the chair and put the cannulas on him. Within 15 minutes, he just came alive. And he was a World War II vet, and he had lots of stories, and they were funny as hell. And he was just cracking jokes, and he went from a zombie state to this person who was Totally cognizant and had his memories back and stuff in just 15 minutes of the inhaling with the Brown's gas.

It was astonishing. I wish I had a video of it.

But then he would have to follow it up in order to maintain that level because he's going to walk out of there and he's going to go down again.

That's right. Actually, the last conference I was just at, the guy came— his father is dead now. But it was something else that killed him. But he did buy a machine and he did have no more cognitive issues after that.

Wow. What about people who've had joint replacements?

Generally speaking, I originally thought that there might be a problem because they give various chemicals to people to prevent the immune system from rejecting the replacement and, or organs and things like that. But it turns out that isn't a problem with this technology. It doesn't cause the replacements, whether it's organs or artificial, to be rejected. It seems to work just fine. There's nothing in the Brown's gas that shouldn't already be in your body.

Wow. Well, George, I think we could talk to you for hours, but tell us, if there was something you could change about the way people think about their health as they get into their 50s, 60s, 70s, and beyond, we hope, what would you want them to understand?

Well, like I was saying before, the first thing I'd like to understand— I'd like people to understand is you don't have to live with pain. One of the things that this does is help eliminate pain. It is such a blessing to not go through a day painful every day. So just on a normal— even in my 50s, I was already having arthritis and I was thinking I was going to have to live with that for the rest of my life. So there's that. The second thing is it's possible to heal without Big Pharma. It, uh, I have an old friend, he's in his 90s now, who started inhaling because he, and when he, he was on severe, uh, statins and various blood pressure medications and stuff, and he was able to get rid of all of that. I'm not, I'm not saying to not listen to your doctor.

I'm, I'm saying pay attention, do your research. Your doctor doesn't know everything. Your doctors are, are designed to, or trained to be drug pushers. And And I don't mean that in a mean way. And I know that doctors, they get into doctoring because they want to help people, but they aren't trained in all the other kind of mythologies that don't support Big Pharma, unfortunately. So I'd say pay attention, do your research, ask any questions. I'm here to help people. If you have questions, ask.

Just ask.

George, let people know how they can reach you and also how to get They can reach me with my website, which is eagle-research.com.

So eagle like the bird, E-A-G-L-E, and then the hyphen mark. You have to put in that hyphen mark or you'll go to a different website. And then research.com. That's my inventing website. And you can email me through the website and stuff like that. And you can look for the AquaCure and see the things that are happening there. It's not a flashy website. I'll just say upfront, I pretty much built it myself.

So we are hiring people to make it look better, but at the moment you get the raw, honest truth, pure and simple. And I tell people the safety— we build our machine, it has triple redundancy safeties all the way through it. All the different kinds of things that could possibly hurt people or the machine is taken care of. So Anyone, anybody in their own home can use it safely. It meets every industrial safety standard in the world, actually, the AquaCure. So eagle-research.com. My wife has started a separate website that we call AquaCure.life. Oh, you remarried?

Yes.

Congrats.

Okay, so getting back to that story really quickly, what happened was this woman had in 3 weeks' time, or sorry, 3 months after I said you could inhale, a woman wrote back to me saying that her lupus symptoms were gone in 3 weeks' time. My late wife had died of severe lupus. So all this time—

Wow.

This hit me like it just floored me. I just lost every— I just dropped to the floor and started crying because in that flash of a time, I realized that I had Brown's gas in my shop. since 1986, was told by God in 1996, and was told by many, many messages, hundreds of messages since then, that it was healthful. And yet I never thought to have my late wife inhale it.

Mm-hmm.

And so I got up off the floor only after I— that was my Jonah moment. I'd been spit up on the beach by the whale. I said, God, I understand now this was my task. This is what I'm supposed to do. And to honor my late wife, I got up and I have dedicated the last 10 years, and I'm still doing it, to helping as many people as possible not go through that pain and suffering and financial devastation. We were like $300,000 in debt by that time because I couldn't work. And we mortgaged the house. We did everything we could to try to get her healthy again.

Mm-hmm.

And we couldn't. So, uh, that's what I did. That's why I'm passionate about helping people. We've got the world's best technology, and my libido came back. So I did care if I lived or died. I did start dating. I have remarried. She's a, she's a wonderful woman.

And she said, when I had that assembly apart, it's called the ER50, no woman is going to want that in her house. So that's why I went back into my shop And I built the AquaCure, and that meets my wife's aesthetic standards. She has 3 of them around the house. And, uh, 3 of them. That's where that came from. Yes.

Yeah.

She has one hooked to a micro bubbler that is in her bathtub. Uh, so it's like a spa and, and all the scars on her body healed within 3 months, not a year.

Wow.

So the external application of the Brown's gas on her skin, uh, Because when you bubble— I'm sorry, I just gotta— when you bubble the gas in the water, the bubbles take a lot more, um, are a lot more gas than if it's just the hydrogen in the water itself, where the hydrogen is transparent. When you have that fog-like bubbles in the water, so you can get a lot more Brown's gas in the water. So she insisted on making the micro bubbler. experiment as well, and, and that has done her very much good.

That you put in the bathtub.

Yes.

Well, George, we're going to wind this up, but this has been so fascinating. Thank you for joining us and for giving us so much to think about.

Absolutely. And for our listeners and viewers, we hope today's conversation encourages you to stay curious and definitely to ask good questions, look for evidence, and make informed decisions about your own health and those you love.

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And remember what we late boomers always say: It's never too late to rethink what's possible. That's right. Thank you, George.

Thank you.