Danielle is an accomplished entrepreneur with a background in marriage and family therapy. She has worked in pharmaceutical sales, education, and is a certified Enneagram coach. In this episode, we cover all things Enneagram. What is the Enneagram Assessment, what makes it different, and how it can help grow connections and understanding in your team at work and family at home.

If you would like to take our Enneagram Assessment for FREE, click the link below:

https://www.thinkmovethrive.com/enneagram-assessment/

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Welcome welcome, welcome.

I am Dallas Burnett in Thrive Studios, sitting in my 1905 Koch Brothers Barber

chair, and more importantly, have a very, very special guest today, entrepreneur,

Enneagram, coach extraordinaire, marriage and family therapist.

Mom.

And my wife, Danielle Burnett.

Welcome, Welcome.

You have been trying to talk me into this for quite some time.

I love

that you opened with that . Yes.

So, we are.

A few episodes in to the last 10%.

And one of the things that we are all about in Think, Move, Thrive

in the last 10% is assessments and setting that baseline again set up.

So you have over the last few years, been on a journey and really

discovered how much you enjoy and love coaching the Enneagram.

And so we want to just have you tell everybody a little bit about it.

. But before we go into that, okay, why don't you just tell everybody,

give 'em some background on who Danielle is and tell 'em your.

Alrighty.

Well, I'm Danielle and I've been married to this wonderful guy for

almost 20 years, , which is great.

I think it's great that I had a Masters in Marriage therapy,

, Dallas Burnett: and we didn't

That wasn't in the show, that's not in the notes

. Danielle Burnett: But through,

Converse and graduated in undergrad.

Actually, my parents have a wonderful business.

And so to saw them through the lens of small business, in family business

doing hair and all comes back to my granddaddy, who's 92, he's still

cutting hair and inspirational.

And so what I of thought about what do I wanna do with my life and what

gifts do I have and what can I offer?

I started doing hair.

You know, After graduating college, that's what I knew and I loved it.

And then several years after doing that I segued into, which

is a big jump, but I segued into a career in pharmaceutical sales.

And I loved it.

I loved talking to people, I loved selling great products.

I loved all the things that the industry had to offer.

I love meeting the receptionists and nurses and doctors and all of that.

So I've just always been a people person.

Love talking with people and.

Even in undergrad, I don't know, probably start starting maybe middle school.

I was that person that other people would find and they would just

spill everything to me and they would just, I don't know, they would

just, Tell me all their life story.

And I know you've always laughed about that Dallas, because you're

like, That never happens suit.

Listen, listen, that doesn't happen.

They'll stop you in a grocery store at a gas.

It doesn't matter.

And yeah, no, I've witnessed that for what

is ironic about it is that you're interviewing all these

people on here and then you are, you inadvertently, you're getting their life

story

It's a, It's a role reversal, right?

So all that being said, I knew that I wanted to do my master's in

counseling, even though I did hair and.

Went to pharmaceutical sales.

I knew that was something I loved and wanted to do.

So I wound up getting my master's in Marriage and family Therapy, did

all the hours for that, loved that, graduated, but I couldn't give my fir

my career in pharmaceutical sales up.

So I went back to that and through, that time and now I have Airbnb that

we, manage and love that, love hosting.

But in the past few years, I've just come back to my love for counseling,

my love for people, just helping people work through problems.

I've served on church staff before and done that, and of course I

use those skills all the time.

But that kind of brings me to the Enneagram.

So I got certified as an engram coach and an as an engram consultant.

And it took me a while to understand what in the world is the

Enneagram and how is it different from other, personality tests.

And so I really love it.

I really have grown to love it.

And the more I get to know about it, it's a deep well and I just

learn so much more about myself.

and other people and . So with ThinkMoveThrive we've been able

to do some workshops and it's just been a really great experience.

Yeah.

And I've enjoyed it.

Yeah.

So let's jot back cuz you said a lot there.

Number one, you talked about your grandfather.

So I gotta give a little shout out.

The first time I met your grandfather, who is 92 and still

cuts hair in his barbershop salon.

right now at 92, which is incredible in itself.

But the first time I met him and all you guys out there that have short

hair you know what it is to go in and just say, I want a number two.

Usually a barber will get out a guard and put it on his,.

Barber shears whatever they call, I don't even know what they

call 'em, Danielle, but Shears.

Shears, I got it.

I got, it's 20 years and I finally got the lingo

But then he goes and free hands, the whole thing had a number two.

He free hands it with a with an open blade and a comb and it is perfect.

And he doesn't like six minutes flat.

And so yeah.

Who pass?

That's the first time I ever.

Scared to death.

And he sits me down in the chair and six minutes later I was like, I'm bald.

I know I'm bald.

I got up.

It was perfect . He had no guard.

It was perfect.

It was unbelievable.

It was unbelievable.

And he's been cutting hair for over 70 years and yeah.

An amazing testament.

Maybe we'll get him on the last 10% to talk about really.

It

it

does talk about, it speaks to finishing strong.

Yeah.

And

That.

That's just amazing.

Yeah, it's amazing, man.

He's still cutting everything and loves it too and loves it, so big shout to him.

The other thing is, I think too, you had that love for counseling and I think

it's interesting because just, from my perspective watching you, you got

outta the masters, you did go back to pharmaceuticals, but there was so many

tools that you took and I think this is something that the listeners, Should

always remember as we were talking about last 10%, you can pick things up no

matter where you are in your career or where you are in your journey, you're

gonna pick things up and put 'em in a tool belt that you can always use later.

And I saw that with you coming through the Masters , Yes.

You were trained as a.

Clinical marriage and family therapist, a very, structured, master's degree, but in

that degree you were given so many tools.

That I saw you use in all these other areas of your life.

I don't think you necessarily gave it up.

You gave up, You just didn't go into it professionally at that time, Full time.

, you would, but you would be operating in that capacity in pharmaceuticals with

your team members and with the manager.

And it was just amazing to see how you were using some of those

tools and you were asked to coach these other team members.

Yeah.

As a part of that.

And it's your growth and path.

You get out and have served in different ministry street

roles and things like that.

So it's just interesting because now you've moved and transitioned into

this Enneagram, consultant and, it's reemerged again in a different way.

But I, see that as, if you're listen out there and you're in something and

you go and, especially if you're coming outta school and you're discouraged

cause you're not doing exactly what you're trained do in school.

Men, just take what you can out of it and don't lose everything

because there's a lot of tools that you can get along the way.

Thank you Dallas.

Yeah.

And I would say, and you've been a big part of encouraging

me through all of that.

You don't have to come out and do exactly what you learned and that you thought at

one time it would look like, because my love and gifting, doesn't have to look

the same way in each year of my life.

So that's neat.

So let's talk about the Enneagram.

I want to get into it, I want to, I wanna unpack this because

some people are Enneagram crazy.

They just love it.

They eat it up.

It's like an ice cream sundae.

Other people are like, What is that?

So there's this broad spectrum out there of people that know what

Enneagram assessment is and don't know.

Can you tell us a little bit about what the Enneagram is, where

it came from and what you like?

Yeah, I sure can.

And Just as a kind of surface, high level in the 1960s and seventies,

a guy from Bolivia packaged the Enneagram to what it looks like today.

There's a lot of different variations to the Enneagram that you'll find out there

cuz you, So you can go online and you can look up Enneagram and there's a lot of

different places that you can find it.

And there might be a few differences here and there, but

essentially there are nine types.

So nine personalities.

And we have our own words we use at Think, move, Thrive to describe them.

And in fact, else we have to talk about Mr.

Any ? I just feel like having a little bit of a lighthearted approach to looking

at his cute little self around the Enneagram circle, and he portrays each

number and what that personality kind of

embodies.

Yes, I really love him.

And let's talk about that for a second, cuz think moves thrive.

We've got the website up with the assessment on it, with the Enneagram,

and of course we do a podcast the week that we take everything down except for

the link because we're rebuilding the entire page for Enneagram assessment.

So of course we do the Enneagram assessment podcast on the exact, on

the week that we take everything down.

The good news is for all our listeners, we'll get it ready like in a week or two,

whenever our wonderful designers are back and they launch the new page on the site.

You'll see the any that we're talking about all over the new page.

Now, if I'm on any.

, Does that mean that I'm pretty locked in?

So if I'm a type, four or type seven or type nine, what does that mean?

Is that

Yeah, how locked are you ? into it?

And I would say, The biggest takeaway from doing the Enneagram, even taking

an assessment for the Enneagram is that it really starts with self-discovery.

And you and I've talked a lot about that.

It starts with self-awareness.

Go read the book.

Go read all nine types, read all the descriptions.

And see which.

You resonate with or what resonates with you.

And so I think what's most important is to not let somebody

tell you, Hey, you're a type three.

Oh yeah.

I think it's important for you to discover that.

And in our workshops that we do, we have an idea of connecting the dots and.

We use that as an acronym.

The first thing is to discover, and for me, even as I got certified

in the Enneagram, it has taken me.

A year and a half I've been wrestling with some of the ideas about my own

person, like my self-awareness, and I'm still learning because it's just

a process to learn about yourself.

So all that being said, I don't wanna lock anybody in to any

number, but I do think when.

When a person discovers these types, they will very clearly see themselves.

And what they'll see is that one dominant type will emerge.

So let's just say the top, the dominant type of three will

emerge for a person, right?

So if you look around the circle of the Enneagram, like I said, it's nine types

and they're all in a circular pattern.

So it's 1, 2, 3, Let's go over to three.

The types on either side of that three we call those in the

Ingram world, the wings of that

dominant type, so the adjacent numbers, so two and four

are the w are the wings of three?

Is that what you're

saying?

. So you could be, have a wing, so that could be your wing type.

Back to your thought about being locked in, I don't know that, I don't know

that anybody's locked in the Enneagram because like for instance, I'm a.

With a wing of two, but I don't know, sometimes my two's really

strong and I almost think I'm a two with a wing of a three.

So hopefully as a listener is listening to me, they can gain some understanding

of whatever your dominant type is, that type that you of lean to maybe 20%

of the time or maybe 50% of the time.

You need to also discover that personality type

a great process.

I can see, I kinda see it almost like a color wheel.

It's almost like a hue, like , there's transition

between yellow, orange, and red.

So I see what you're saying because there's a little bit of red in the

orange and there's a little bit of yellow in the orange and you're just

kind of somewhere, unless you're really strong personality type.

But I also think that it's really interesting cuz I do think you can take

in a take, read a book on Engram or you can take a quick assessment if you don't

like to unpack a long, 150 page book on.

Yeah.

This is a very, It's a quick term, great way to do it.

The other thing is though, I think that one of the things that, and I'll throw

a curve ball here to the listeners.

One of the things that when you talk about self-awareness, We always

talk about it, ThinkMoveThrive.

And one of the things that we are trying to increase with all the things that

we do in the conversational leadership, whether it's the app or the journals or

anything, is that self-awareness piece.

We think it is a foundational, cornerstone of leadership.

And what I've realized is that I'm a number, and we'll get into

that in a little bit, but I'm not the same number in a stressful

environment or if I'm under stress.

That's right.

So if you're going to the office every day, In a really toxic environment,

your team members may experience you in a completely different way.

And they go, Oh, he's, he or she is definitely this

number this personality type.

And then you're not, and they're surprised what?

And because you're under stress, or you feel threatened.

I'll speak to that a little bit.

So for those of you who don't know anything about the Enneagram, I'll give

a little surface little explanation.

Basically what you're talking about Dallas, is what the

Enneagram would call an arrow.

And it's it sounds crazy with the wings in the arrows, but if you'll follow me.

So if I go back to that three example, or actually let's take you for

an example.

Now it's getting real.

It's getting real , it's getting real.

I, we've taken the test, we've written, we've read books.

We've had this process of self-discovery and all this.

So I think it's more confident to say that you are a seven

personality on the Enneagram.

Do maybe with a wing of eight.

You heard it here first.

Everybody in the last 10%.

I am a seven.

Yeah.

And so sometimes that, that personality is called the adventurer.

They are called the generalist because they're great at a lot of things.

And the enthusiast, you can hear that and I can hear that just your life,

like you always are enthusiastic.

A seven is somebody who can.

Tell stories at the dinner table and it has everybody laughing until they cry.

And I'm gonna tell you right now, that is true of Dallas.

We do like having fun people.

We like having fun the last 10% for sure.

You got it.

All right.

But let's talk about the arrows.

Yeah.

Let's talk about the arrows now.

What happens?

What happens when I get stressed.

Now you gonna tell stories on me on this?

Remember we're on the air

I won't get too crazy.

Yeah.

But so that, this is one of the things that I love about the Enneagram,

and I think it's what separates it from other personalities tests out

there and assessments out there.

So the engram, and I'll just say this and then I'll go and talk about the arrows.

The Enneagram shows a person when they're healthy, it tells you a lot

about how they look when they're healthy.

It tells a lot about a person when they're un.

So a seven in health and in unhealth, right?

. So just gaining aware of this, of them.

You can even ask the question like, Is this true of me?

And then discover that, and I have found.

for me and other friends and, relationships that it is true.

So back to the seven.

So sevens, when they are in a period of stress, will move to across a

type across the Enneagram diagram, and in this case, for a seven,

they'll move to the number one.

And so the number one, we call that person a reformer an improver.

Sometimes people call 'em, call them a perfectionist.

I don't love that term because it can be construed as, I

think every type is positive.

I think every type is awesome and has strengths and can be a leader at that.

So all that being said, when you're in a stressful place and you move

to that arrow of stress, you take on the negative qualities of that type.

So in this example of a seven they're very spontaneous.

They're very fun loving.

They're, laughing and in their spontaneity they have a lot of,

balls that they're juggling and when they feel stress, it's interesting.

You and I have laughed about this so much.

You'll see that they start controlling things more in their own life.

They might go clean out their closet.

Yeah.

For instance, they might go and clean up their office.

Yes.

Because everything else seems.

It's gotten a little bit too far away from little bit, a little bit too crazy.

Little too, yeah.

Little

bit too crazy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You see me cleaning my closet, you see me straightening up

my desk and it is game long.

We are in, we're not in a good space.

That's interesting.

what I like about what you're saying is, and this is what I

feel like with the Enneagrams, one of the reasons that we started.

Offering this first.

There's a lot of different assessments out there.

There's a lot of great assessments out there.

We think you should take 'em all.

I have.

I've taken, Yes.

I can't tell you how many assessments I've taken, but

there's a lot of them that we love.

Yeah, we love a lot of assessments, but the reason that we chose this one in

particular to start with by offering it on Think me thrive.com is because in my

opinion, it gives, it really gets to the.

The drivers, those things that are under the surface, there's a lot of assessments

that will take external factors.

You're extroverted or you're introverted.

Yeah.

Or you're dominant in the room or you're, you're a thinker.

Whatever it takes the kind of what's what everybody perceives

on the outside and this.

It just Enneagram, It's almost like it backs up and jumps down and just goes

into the gut, just like what comes out.

It does in that driver that core what are you afraid of?

What are you, Yeah.

When you get stressed what do you do?

And you got these nine different types that tend to emerge.

And it's, to me, it's fascinating as well.

And it is very interesting how.

it captured my personality in that way.

Yeah.

I love it.

And if you think of each type, you can think of, how is that

person wanting to achieve purpose?

And what motivates them to.

Have that, have purpose in their life, have joy, have happiness in their

life have fulfillment in their life.

And so just for instance a number three personality would be an achiever.

And there's other words that we use to describe that personality, but they feel

really great when they've met a goal.

And yes.

To attain that feeling of great purpose.

Now.

That's really good and I think that the way you sum that up and

said that it's the way you want to at you try to attain a purpose or

you go after what's driving you.

Yeah.

I think that's interest.

Way to put it.

I agree with that.

And yeah.

So tell us a little bit about, so we wanna talk about, as it relates to

the individual, we've talked about self-awareness and, all the different nine

types and we can offer, you can, Oh by the way, you can go to ThinkMoveThrive.com

and go to the as assessments page.

You can take this, we have the assessment up for free.

You can take the assessment for free if you want to.

And Yep.

We also will have the.

Next week or two have the whole page that has all the nine types.

Even if you don't even take the assessment, you'll be able to see

the little inns with the nine types, but you can see that for free.

And so for someone who is just wanted to maybe experiment and try it out

the first time, that's a good step.

If you're you do that and you're like, Man, I'm hungry for this and want

more, then you can get the full report.

But I would say for the.

That's, that maybe isn't a place where they just either one or two things.

Either they're on the line, they just don't know how to pick apart the

different types of maybe where they are sitting or they're getting somebody

that's telling them some other feedback.

I think that's where the coach really comes in and asks some really great

questions and people get value from that.

The other place that I think a coach, an Enneagram coach is very successful

and adds a tremendous amount of value.

Especially what you're doing with the different organizations

that you've gone into.

Is in the, is in as it relates to teams.

And that's one of the things we even included in the assessment which you

wrote, which I'm, is awesome, that I thought made it very unique is more it

had more of a bent on what does this, because we've talked about what does

it, what does your personality mean to you, but then that, how does that.

Play out when you're in the, when you're bringing the, these strengths and

weaknesses to a team, So , when you go in and do these workshops tell us a little

bit about the workshops that you do and some experiences you've had in those.

. Danielle Burnett: Yeah.

I'll talk a lot about the workshops in a second, but one thing that just of sprang

to my mind when you were just saying that about the portion that we have included

in that long report on teams, A big portion of what I've written on there is

what the Enneagram would call a triad.

Okay, so now we've introduced another word.

So we have the wings, the arrows.

Now we have a triad.

This

is like college level education here.

I don't know about all this wings.

What

I, Yeah, love what I love about this, so hang with me.

What I love about it is it breaks down how people make decisions.

And I see.

I think that is truly helpful when you are on a team with somebody else who

makes decisions differently than you do.

Yes.

Yes.

You can understand them instead of being annoyed by them.

Yes.

Or being frustrated by Yes.

And so in a lot of the workshops that we've done that I don't know that's

the greatest takeaway, but it is a great takeaway for us to go through

each type and say Do you have anybody on your team that is this type?

Okay, When they're in stress, what are they like?

But then thinking about , how they process information, how do they make decisions?

And so I'll just take a second to also talk about that.

So in the Enneagram, if you break up the nine numbers into buckets of three, some

people call those processing centers.

And so really it is how you process information and.

You could easily just think of it.

One group processes from their heart, one group processes from

their mind, their thought, their thinking, like deep thinking.

And then one, processes information instinctually.

So from the gut, you could even say, yeah, so gut, head and

heart, you could dumb it down to.

And so I'll tell quickly what those numbers are and they're

on our website as well.

But the eight, the nine, and the one types often.

They are, and you can see it very clearly quite often, that they'll

make gut level dec decisions.

They do not take a long time to come up with the march

in order.

Just intuitive.

They know.

It's it's just, they know.

It's just like instinct almost.

Just But this is what it is.

Yes.

And so then I'll talk about the other two types and then I think that it's

really helpful to say and understand why.

each one would maybe negatively rub on each other.

So if they're in a meeting, they can leave frustrated and that

doesn't really move teamwork forward and the goals of the company.

So that's why I think this is so helpful to grasp hold of this.

So the two, three, and four types Okay.

Are the heart types.

So they really, and I fall right into this and you know this, Yes.

They fall right into that category of literally being very empathetic

and thinking, with their heart, I guess that's what I'm trying to say,

is that they're feelers, they just, they process all that information.

So for instance, if you have a hiring decision to make, that

number two type is a connector.

And they are just so emotionally intuitive, but

they're feeling every decision.

So if you came to them and said, Hey, should we welcome this

purpose that on our team, these are the strengths that they bring.

They're gonna feel through it because they're gonna be like, Ooh, how is

that person gonna affect this person?

How is that person gonna affect this goal?

And they're gonna really take a little bit of time so they're not a gut person.

They're gonna take some more time to, to process through that.

Very

empathetic, they're gonna have mtu of, you're bringing on somebody.

They're gonna think how would this person feel about us bringing that person on?

How would this person feel?

That's right.

How would that person feel on their first.

And then What's The last three?

The last three are the five, the six, and the seven.

And they are ones that really take a little bit more

time to think about things.

They love to ask questions, they love to ponder things.

They may wanna talk it out even.

With other people, but they really want to think about like past experiences

and build their decision around maybe even some data, particularly the

five and six types are real cerebral.

Yes.

And they wanna build the.

backing for their good decision on, some strategy, some past experience.

Just really think through it.

So it, then it, you have these three team members.

Say you have a number eight, a number six, and a number three in a meeting.

Yeah.

On a team working towards a goal.

And you can really quickly see, especially if the person is not in a healthy place,

but let's say they are in a healthy place.

, even if they're doing great and all of them are bringing their strengths into

the room, you can really quickly see, Oh, the how they run this person over here.

Yeah, they're gonna rub on it.

This person over here is gonna say, This is what we need to do.

Let's do it.

And then this person that's the feeler is just thinking.

Ooh, I need to think about this a little bit where I need to

talk about this a little more.

I need to think about how this impacts the whole organization and really I think too,

there's beauty in thinking through all the

sides of all that.

Yes.

I think here's what I would say too, and when you get into some,

like some of the decision science, like the Daniel Conneman's thinking

Fast and slow or the Gary Klein's sources of power that, that really

talk about how we make decisions and.

When we are thinking fast, we are thinking in the subconscious, our

brains are processing things very quickly and we're not , putting,

intentional thought, into it.

It's just we react and , that's shown to be useful in environments

where we have a lot of experie.

So if you're one of those, Like a firefighter?

Yeah, like a firefighter.

If you're a firefighter and you walk in, and that was actually Gary

Klein's example, He's a firefighter, Walk into a a building, it's on fire,

and your gut tells you it's time.

You gotta get out, then you should trust your gut, but in situations where we're in

uncertainty, Then we tend to make poorer decisions if we trust our gut versus

going with something like a heuristics or model or something like that.

And Daniel Kaman has done a lot of work on that, thinking fast and slow.

Now, if you are one in the, gut triads, then you're in an

environment of uncertainty.

That is a place of danger, especially if you're an entrepreneur.

You have to have, you have to have that kind of gutsy side to you where

you're going out there and charging the hill to want to be an entrepreneur.

But on the flip side, you're making decisions in a space many times

that's, that's not been, gone before.

That's what you're doing as an entrepreneur.

So it really helps if you can find someone In that, head and heart arena

to help you see things differently.

Because we tend to make mistakes if we can't get outside of our own perspective

especially if we're in an uncertain environment, that we're not used to

. And so I think that's an example, and I've seen it in my career as well, in

leading different teams and companies.

So it's just great to surround yourself with people diverse diversity and

opinions and perspectives and to know that, like I know that the CFO is

going to be dead center like number.

And so like I know that I can go and talk to him and I'm gonna get hi,

a completely different perspective, a very thoughtful perspective.

And I know that, maybe HR.

Is going to be, a number two and I can go and get that perspective and that's just

gonna help me make decisions better if I can pull those people in that personality.

I was just gonna say, because it's not so much, it is about

self-awareness, but when you're thinking about a team, self-awareness is wonderful,

but team awareness, that's the winner.

Yeah.

Yeah.

When you can not only be aware of how you react in a certain situ.

But how your teammate reacts and how that rubs upon you.

Then you don't have to leave work that day and say, Oh my

goodness, what was their problem?

You could say, Dallas is normally spontaneous, and he was in

there straightening his desk up.

, this is interesting.

He must be having a stressful day.

Stay clear of him today.

Or it can Dallas, it can do the opposite.

It It could clue you in and you could say, Huh, I think I'm just gonna go

and ask him how he's doing, instead of.

Feeling the tension and being like, Ooh, I don't wanna go anywhere near him.

And so then the problem just gets bigger and bigger or just goes further.

So instead, you can change the team dynamic by just

having some team awareness.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I love it.

I really do love the Enneagram.

I think it's very deep.

It's a deep it, there's a lot to learn and like I said, I'm still learning

more about it about all the types.

And I've spent a better part of a year.

Our full report.

Yes.

Which is what's on the site

. Dallas Burnett: What's been one

it relates to the Enneagram?

And it may be some content from the Enneagram or it may be something that's

arisen out of that, but what's what?

What's been one of your biggest surprises?

. Danielle Burnett: When you do anything

a tool like this, I think the surprise is that people really resonate with it.

And so I'll give you a couple examples.

Yeah, I did a lady's workshop in August and I just, it was wonderful.

I just loved those ladies.

We had the greatest time, such a sweet opportunity.

I was so thankful to do it.

But in, in many cases, I just remember in a few ladies, with tears in their eyes

kinda looking at me after I went through.

Whatever their type would be, and they just resonated with it and they looked at

their life in some different things they were going through that were hard all of

us have up times and we have down times.

And they were able to see,

when I was in this deep place of hurt, I responded this way.

And so for an eight personality I think one of the, one of the ladies

was, I need to soften a little bit and that, that personality can

be one that's charging the hill.

That can be known as the Challenger, but I also like to think of them as

a Protector and a Provider as well.

They're, they pull people close to them.

So that was really sweet to see that epiphany.

And then another girl who was a one was noticing that..

To have everything right in her home, made her feel good.

And she was in a period of transition and they were moving.

And so she was feeling like she had so much anxiety in her life and didn't

know where that was coming from.

And so then when we just broke it down, learning more about that

number one personality, about how they do like to have everything.

Organized and right.

And that's not wrong to, to have that and want that, but it, she just wasn't able

to attain it in that time of her life cuz she had been moving and so she just

threw teary ice was just just amazed to say Oh, this is why I've been like this.

And.

And now that I've moved into my house I'm on the road to recovery because I

can create these spaces of organization like I want to going forward.

And

now you've talked about the ladies, you've talked about the girls.

Let's talk about some guys, because you've done this as well with the

guys, so let's hear about that.

So one thing I started with in that particular workshop was

that the Enneagram is for everyone.

And so that was one of my rules.

I laid some ground rules and I did that because I had a room full of

men and I didn't want the men to be like this old, flowery conversation

about the unigram and personalities.

I don't wanna hear it.

And so I which is maybe wrong with me, but I went into that

time of that workshop, think.

I wonder what they're gonna get out of this and if they're gonna like it or

not, or if it will be too touchy feely.

So that's why I made that rule.

But it's for everyone.

It's for women and men.

And so I just remember one of the guys was sitting back in his chair

and I could just tell by his body language he didn't know about it.

I was like, I wonder if he's a type six, because a six is a, I

like to call them the Questioner.

They're very.

Apprehensive at first to be sold or be won over.

But once they are, their, another name for them would be the Loyalest.

And so once they're one over, they're like, this is great.

So all that being said, that's a little bit of a precursor to what I'm about to

tell you, but he was sitting back in his seat and so I went through the ones, twos,

threes, fours, fives, get to the six.

I still don't know what type he is.

And I start talking about how.

The six is, and in different areas of their life.

And that a six personality makes a wonderful parent because they're always

on the lookout for danger and they're always warning their children and

they're always wanting to pull them close and just ask a lot of questions

about their welfare and all of that.

But I talked about how a number six personality really makes a.

Security person personnel because they're very aware of a lot of

the background of what's going on.

They take in a lot of that information because they ask questions and they're

constantly searching and scanning for something that doesn't seem right.

But he sat up and he said, I want you to.

I did not think this was good at all.

But I want you to know that I serve on my church's security

team, . He said I'm a type

six

and I just started laughing and it was great.

And he was kinda what, over in that moment and it, it just cracked me up.

But it was neat that the material resonated with him in such a way.

It's easy to resonate with the good stuff, but what's helpful is to resonate with

the dark side stuff of your personality, to be self aware about that too.

And so we got into some of that and I feel that was really helpful.

And then in fact, he and about three other guys after the workshop had stopped

me in the hall and were just chatting it up about what type you think my wife is.

She's like this and she's like that.

So it really is a tool that's for everybody, men, women alike.

And I think it's.

. It's really helpful.

I think that's so interesting too, because if you're

a leader, if you're leading a team, it's like you said earlier, having

the awareness, the self-awareness is fantastic for your own personal

leadership, but having your, the awareness extended through your team

it's almost like rocket fuel because as a leader it can inform your decisions.

I Having a number six like that, you would totally see why he would

be so good at security and , you could totally see why someone that

was a hard charger Challenger.

May need to be paired with someone to balance that out.

And so it's, if you're trying to get the team dynamics right on a team and

you just haven't got it there, this is a great assessment to to get a baseline,

just to get a baseline of where you're, And that's one of the things that we

always talk about at ThinkMoveThrive.

One of the things that we

. Believe about assessments is it does

start having useful conversations around some really important topics and

whether that is in your one-on-ones.

In the coaching sessions that you're doing, or whether that's at a workshop

or whether that's in, whether that's in the break room, it doesn't really matter.

You have that baseline.

So then if this is who I am, this is my mo and all of a sudden you see me and I'm.

Organizing stuff and I'm, Fran, you know that I'm outta line, I'm like,

Whoa, something's going on as a leader.

Yeah.

Something's going on as I need to know that,, I do like how.

When you constructed and wrote the report that you did not just lean on

some of the standard nomenclature of the types because you've mentioned

it several times during the show.

You felt like that there's a lot of people that say

number one as perfectionist.

You felt like there was some negative connotation to that.

So I like how you've restructured that and and made it to where it's every type

is positive, every type is positive.

It's great type

of every type and every type can be negative.

But if we.

If we're gonna focus on one, we're not gonna slap you in the face right off

the bat and say, You're this and it's terrible . So I think that's gonna really,

Yeah.

We all have a dark side.

Yeah, that's for sure.

We all got a dark side.

Yeah.

One thing I like that we put in there and I think that, people, like I said

earlier, go through ups and downs in life and sometimes you need to talk

to somebody, like you were saying about, talking to a coach and just

working through some problems working.

Trials that you have in your life or experiences.

But one thing that we've done and I think is particularly helpful is

give some ideas of how each type should move forward in growth.

And meditation comes up on almost every single type.

Yeah.

Because just meditating clear in your mind.

Even journaling.

Get it on paper, get it outta their mind so that they can kind.

Just be refreshed.

So I do think that there's the, there's a growth edge to each personality Yes.

Of where they can be, some things they could be aware of.

And that's

another, that's another point that you bring up again

on, on getting a baseline when we're talking about an assessment, whether

it's the Engram or something else.

We're talking about the engram the day, but it doesn't matter.

It could be another assessment.

Not only do you know where the person is today, but you can know if you if you

take a very good assessment, you can know where they could be growing and that as

a coach or a leader, that is a roadmap.

That's a roadmap to future success.

And if you're not using that, if you're leading a team or just leading

yourself and you're not using.

To modify routines or to talk about reminders or things like that's

really gonna be helpful as you grow, find that growth edge, as you said.

, and you're missing a huge opportunity.

You're missing a huge opportunity.

How much would it show that you care about one of your

team members to individual?

Not only the assessment, but the growth that they would experience and say,

Hey look, I want you to take this assessment for my, for, as a team.

And by the way, we're gonna have this conversation about it.

And, oh, here's three areas where I know we've had this conversation.

You want to grow and.

Can grow and I'm gonna partner with you in that and help you get there.

I think that's huge to build trust and show that you can Yeah.

You know, connect.

You care about your employees.

Yeah.

I love it, Dallas.

That's right.

That's right.

Yeah.

And we know people that feel cared for are gonna do a better job.

I I remember back to my pharmaceutical days, I had an amazing.

and several amazing bosses, and I would've done anything they asked

me to do because they cared for me.

They were so precious to me.

And when you feel cared for, you wanna work harder, you wanna do better

for the organization that you're in.

So I even from a, like you say from a coaching perspective, to

utilize some of this self-awareness and build that into the growth

to the growth of your employees.

I think for a leader it's is very valuable.

I think it's been a great conversation around the Enneagram

today and I'm very glad we finally, I was finally able to convince you to

come on the last 10% to talk about it.

And

I'm a little.

You had

a lot of great guests.

I know we've had some, we've had some great guests

but I do ask this to all the guests so you're no different.

I always ask guests at the end of the show, who's somebody that you

would like for us to go after to, to have on the last 10%, and so

Are not gonna be surprised by this.

One of my favorite people, and I'll describe her on the Enneagram

as a two, probably a two as a helper, a giver, a connector.

Okay.

So fun.

Very high eq, but Dolly Parton Dallas.

If you could get Dolly Parton on the show, it would be very great.

And in fact at the last retreat I did I used one of her quotes

and it said, Find, this is one of her quotes on self-awareness.

Find out who you are and do it on purpose.

And that, that

sounds like, Oh, that sounds like Dolly.

That sounds like a song.

Sounds like Dolly now.

So I will do our best.

, we are we will do our best to get, got easy.

But she has, yes, her calendar is full.

If you like that we may not have Dolly on the next episode, but we actually,

funny enough that you should request, Dolly may actually have you something

that you'll enjoy listening to as it relates to Dolly on the next episode.

Oh, I cannot wait.

So , we'll keep that teaser for the next episode.

But we'll do our best.

We'll reach out to Dolly and see if she can she can work in the

last 10% on her busy schedule and.

See if we can get her on the show.

That'll be good.

Never know.

You never know.

That's Thank you again, Danielle, for being on the show today.

Thanks for sharing about the Enneagram and how we can build

connection and understanding and self awareness with our teams and ourself.

And thanks for being on and I'm sure this is not the last time that I hope I

can talk you into being on the last 10%.

Thank you.