Glo from Cool Girls Don't Look at Explosions joins Laura and Xhafer to discuss the quiet badassery of the schoolteacher. Laura questions the purpose of having a podcast if you don't use it to swear. Xhafer just wants to know about the food situation. Today's episode covers Battlestar Galactica Season 1, Episode 8: Flesh and Bone.

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Welcome to Who Are You?

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This is a reasonably well done podcast

hosted by two friends who got to know each

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other watching Babylon 5, but now we're

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I'm Jafar,

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Laura: And I'm

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Laura.

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Xhafer: And, today, we're

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joined

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by our friend,

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Glo: and Glow.

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Xhafer: hey,

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Glo: Hi!

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Laura: Glow, tell us, who are you?

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Glo: So,

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I am, well, I'm Ben's wife, Ja'far

and Laura's friend, and also a co

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host on Cool Girls Don't Look at

Explosions with Laura and Beth.

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Laura: Yeah,

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so exciting.

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Glo: but I'm also a high school English

teacher and drama teacher, so I'm

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on here to talk a little bit about

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Laura Roslin.

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Laura: Oh, yay.

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So that leads me into my

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question I wanted to ask

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you.

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Is why this episode?

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why

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Flesh and Bone?

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This is

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Battlestar Galactica's

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Xhafer: Oh, she didn't

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pick this episode.

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Glo: I didn't.

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Xhafer: I picked this episode.

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Laura: Oh,

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okay.

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Xhafer: And I literally, I picked

this episode by googling, what's the

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best Rosalind episode in season one?

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And this was the result that

came up when I hit that result,

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and that's why Glow's here.

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So,

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Glo: Cause it's definitely

more of a Starbuck episode, I

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think, but I can offer a little bit of

insight into the badassery at the end.

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Well, I don't want to get too far

ahead of ourselves, but this, I could

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understand why someone would say

that this is a good Laura Rosalind

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episode because of what happens at the

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end.

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Laura: Yeah, I mean, maybe

more screen time is taken up by

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Starbuck, right?

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But I think that Laura Roslin

has a lot more going on.

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Then Starbuck in many ways, like

Starbuck is just kind of fumbling

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around at being an interrogator

and doing a questionable job, I

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Glo: Mm hmm.

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Xhafer: How is she doing everything?

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Oh, we need a sniper, get Starbuck.

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Oh, we need an interrogator, get Starbuck.

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Oh, we need a pilot

instructor, get Starbuck.

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Laura: That last one at least is like

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plausible

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Glo: Right.

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Laura: since she is like hotshot pilot,

although I, I question whether hotshot

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pilots are often the best teachers, but

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Xhafer: I mean, they at least establish

in the first episode that, like,

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she was doing this professionally.

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Laura: that's true.

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Yeah.

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This is a job she has had

before, so that makes sense.

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Sniper, maybe we can get there.

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I don't know why Starbuck is doing this

interrogation and not, like, Colonel Tye,

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maybe?

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Glo: hmm.

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Xhafer: That could make sense.

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I mean, I would believe,

like, Tyrell over Starbuck.

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Laura: I was gonna suggest

maybe we send Tye and Gaeta

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in there as good cop, bad cop.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Oh.

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Laura: Yeah?

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Xhafer: Mm.

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Laura: But we're just having

Starbuck try to do both, so.

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I don't know,

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man.

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Xhafer: All

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Laura: interesting.

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Well, okay,

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Xhafer: Well, sorry to ruin

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your question I mean,

you've seen the show before,

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Glow.

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Glo: Mm hmm.

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Xhafer: Laura has not, if you

haven't been listening to the

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podcast.

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Glo: Oh, absolutely.

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I have listened to every

episode and made memes on all

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of

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them,

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At

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least

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Laura: I was gonna

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Xhafer: yes, yes, you, you

have taken over our social

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media duties.

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Thank you.

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Glo: follow us on blue sky

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guys,

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Xhafer: Yeah, I do appreciate all of

the work you're putting in there that

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I absolutely refused to for years.

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So.

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Glo: and it's fun.

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It's fun for me So guys if you know

if you're if anybody who's listening

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is on blue sky, please interact

with the posts I watch them, you

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know, I get like four hearts on

something and I'm like, oh my god.

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It's amazing.

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Laura: I think it's hard to,

like, make the memes when you've

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also made the content sometimes.

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Like, it's, you don't

see the meme able moment.

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But Glow is, like,

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capturing all the best.

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Xhafer: a great job.

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Glo: guys

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Yeah,

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Laura: it.

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Xhafer: All right.

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Well, I guess we can just

roll in to this episode.

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We open on Rosalyn in the forest.

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She's having a dream.

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That's pretty clear.

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As a Lioban tells her to run.

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He saves her from human soldiers.

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And then she gets pulled away

and he gets kinda pulled away.

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Laura: Yeah.

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he gets, like, sucked

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away.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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In very bad CGI, but maybe that's just,

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Laura: It's the, it's the times, surely.

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Yeah.

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You identify these as

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human soldiers.

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I wasn't sure they were human

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soldiers.

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Xhafer: fair.

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They could be humanoid

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Cylons, but any Cylon soldiers

we've seen are like Robits, not

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humanoids in tack gear and stuff.

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So, it is an assumption on my end.

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But it did feel like he was trying

to save her from human soldiers.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Which plays into what he

says at the end of the episode.

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Laura: Right.

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Xhafer: But yeah she wakes up

in a cold sweat and she's just

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in the bathroom for forever.

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And , Colonial One is a small ship.

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So Billy has to go and check in on her.

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Laura: Yeah.

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This is the Kamala extract sweats, right?

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I think she says it's the Kamala.

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So somewhere between the episode where Dot

Cottle is making fun of her for wanting

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alternative medicine And also saying,

where the hell are we going to get that?

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They must have found it on these ships of

40, 000 people because she's taking it.

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Xhafer: she's taking it.

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now.

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Yeah,

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I don't know.

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I don't think you get to bitch about the

hell on your body of holistic treatments.

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Given the alternative.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: I don't, I don't know.

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Glo: it sure looked like

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chemotherapy.

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Let's just be real.

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Xhafer: It, yeah, It,

it does and it's treated

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like

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Glo: Mm hmm.

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Laura: Mm hmm.

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Xhafer: Um, which makes me wonder what,

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what Doc Cottle wanted to do.

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That was even more aggressive, apparently?

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Because she's like, I saw

what that stuff did to my mom.

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I don't want to do it.

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I don't know.

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And this just, this hits different

in the world that we're in now.

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I don't know if.

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Ronald D.

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Moore would have written this the same

way when we have like literal influencers

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who tell people not to treat their

cancer with scientific methods and to

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drink apple cider vinegar or whatever.

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I was just reading a, an article about

a couple of Australian influencers,

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one of whom was a fraud and the

other of whom actually died of her

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cancer because she wouldn't treat it.

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And it's like, I don't know if I would.

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Right, this is like, oh, yeah, there's

some alternative natural medicine

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: in the year of Our Lord 2025.

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Xhafer: Ugh.

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This, yeah, this was super

uncomfortable, to be perfectly honest.

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very, for very personal reasons.

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And uh, yeah, I know you do.

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I and this, if you don't want to

talk about this, we don't have to

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have

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this on pod.

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Glo: Oh, no, I'm I'm an

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open

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book.

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Xhafer: yeah, I was

really thinking of you.

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Watching this episode in a lot of

ways, and I felt personally really

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terrible about this episode after I

started watching it in relation to

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that, knowing the struggle that you

went through with watching your dad

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go through chemotherapy for years

and, and his struggles with cancer,

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And

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it was just like, Oh God,

what did I do to glow?

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I felt really, really

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bad.

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Glo: I, you know, I do want

to say, you know, the actress

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here really acted her ass off.

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I mean, you know, she did a really

good job with it, and, you know, all

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I'll say, you know, my dad passed

from melanoma a couple of years ago,

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and go get anything checked out guys,

you know, it, before, before it takes

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over, cause you don't know, but.

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Thanks for being sensitive.

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You know, it's, I, I literally

have no issue talking about it.

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I, I

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think that it's important to talk about

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those

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things, so.

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Xhafer: No, I, I mean, I, I, I

understand and agree, you know, my

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dad passed a couple of years before

yours and also was struggling with

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cancer in addition to a number of other

things and the other stuff was worse.

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So that got a lot more airtime in terms

of what I was speaking about, but, you

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know, he did have liver cancer there

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for six or seven

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Glo: Holy

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Xhafer: that was, that was a whole

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thing

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too.

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So.

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Glo: Fuck

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cancer.

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Xhafer: Fuck cancer.

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anyways uh, they get a call.

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They found a Cylon over

on the Geminon Traveler.

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Laura calls Galactica, who should

really get one of those little speakers

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from an office set up in CIC, because

everyone's got these big old headsets

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that they're trying to hold on to.

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Just get a speakerphone, guys.

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It doesn't count as a

networked computer, I promise.

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Uh, Yup.

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Yup.

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Yup.

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And Adama has the ship pull

out from the fleet just in case

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they have fighters on guard.

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And Adama's all like, well, let's just

go fucking exterminate this thing, right?

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Rosalyn insists on him being interrogated.

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And Adama's like, look,

it's only gonna lie to us.

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And even if it doesn't just

lie to us, anything it does say

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is not in our best interest.

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Laura: Yeah, and this is all so

complicated because if you look at

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Adama's wanting to immediately execute

it in light of what it says at the

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end of the episode, of course he does.

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Of course he wants that, but also

all Cylons seem to be acting in

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their own interest, so he's also.

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Not wrong, and it's just like

Catch 22 is all over the place.

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Glo: Mm

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hmm.

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Xhafer: Yes,

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it's,

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uh, it's a lot.

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Laura: and how did Laura get

that dream in the first place?

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so is Leo been doing a

little 6PT action on her?

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Trying to get her to want to talk to him?

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Like,

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Huh,

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Glo: Yeah,

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Xhafer: Huh,

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Glo: yeah,

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Xhafer: sure is a real

Cylon y dream she had,

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huh?

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Laura: It is,

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Xhafer: Especially for

someone who never met Leoben.

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Laura: Uh huh.

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Yeah.

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She's seen the dead one, right?

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Because she showed the pictures

at the press conference.

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And that's why she recognizes

him and is like, oh shit.

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But like, I feel like it's a little bit

too much cognitive leaping to have a

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dream of the alive person when you've

only seen their corpse, you know?

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Just like, in that grade of detail.

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Hmm.

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Xhafer: it's, it's a bit of a leap.

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Uh, so, Adama's like, Okay, we'll

send someone to interrogate.

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So he decides to send Starbuck,

because we've paid our actors for every

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episode, so they need something to do.

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Laura: Sure, yeah, that's, there's no

logical reason for this to me, because

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we, Starbuck is like famous little hothead

and like not quite thinking it through

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and sometimes it pays off big, right?

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But, I don't know that it always does.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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He's like, go, go, go talk to

Lioban, but know that Lioban's gonna

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be a manipulative little bitch.

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Laura: Yeah, he orders her not to

let Leoben achieve his goal, whatever

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his goal is, which they don't know,

so how are you gonna, I don't know.

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Good luck, Starbuck.

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Xhafer: right,

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I don't know what the goal is,

but don't let it lie to you too

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much, and then please kill it.

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After theme here Boomer is

hanging out with the raider.

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And, at this point, Boomer knows, right?

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She thinks she knows.

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And she tells Tyrell.

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Laura: Yeah,

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Xhafer: Just outright, I'm a Cylon.

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Right?

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He's all like, oh, that's, don't say that.

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Do you think this is actually her attempt

to come out and try and save her friends?

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Cause she knows she blacks

out and, and bad shit happens.

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She knows she's finding

inconspicuous things.

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She suspects she's a Cylon.

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Laura: right.

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Glo: It sounds like she's, you

know, testing the waters, for

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sure.

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Laura: Yeah, like what what's gonna

happen to us if I say this and and

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he of course just like denies it

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and Don't know man Tyrell makes

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me sad

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Tyrell is I mean, from my original watch

through, I remember Tiro being one of

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my favorite characters in the show.

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and there's growth to happen.

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I

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won't

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say anything

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Laura: I

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Glo: is really, this

is really hard, Ja'far.

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. Like, um, yeah, like, knowing,

knowing the development of

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different characters and like,

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I'm gonna

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Laura: Not being able to talk

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Glo: I know, it's

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Xhafer: Not being able to talk about

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a ton.

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Yeah.

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It's

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Glo: This is not like Airwolf.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: dance we do on this podcast.

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And,

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Laura: I will say this, that after

this episode, this was the hardest

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I found it not to go to Google.

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Like, I've been pretty I'm fine with

that most of the time, but for some

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reason after this one I was like,

God, I really want to Google some

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stuff, but I can't and I won't.

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Xhafer: Have you watched

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the next one yet?

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Because we're recording these

in pretty rapid succession.

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I would think next episode

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Laura: No, it hit me here.

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It hit me here.

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Yeah.

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Is that weird?

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I don't know.

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Maybe it's something about Leoban.

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He's, he's pretty compelling in

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Xhafer: He is an interesting character.

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Laura: Yeah.

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But Tyrell, the thing that makes me so

sad about this man is like, he has been

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slapped in the face with the evidence.

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Like, all of the same evidence

that Boomer has, he has been

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slapped in the face with it.

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Boomer, obviously, like, programming

reasons or something, can't face it.

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Like, there is a bridge too far in that

brain and we cannot mechanically go there.

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Xhafer: Mm hmm.

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Laura: Tyrell is like, I guess, I mean

he's doing the same thing as a human

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being, but for some psychological reason

also won't face the same evidence.

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It's not necessarily a mechanical

reason, it's like I'm choosing

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not to and it makes me so sad.

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But people do this all the time.

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It's a thing that human beings

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do.

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We don't want to face

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stuff.

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Sigh.

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Xhafer: Uh, Over on the Geminon Traveler,

Starbuck is watching Leoben Sweat.

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Starbuck is all business to

start this interrogation,

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refusing to answer any questions.

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But he knows who she is.

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He says that he's hidden a

nuke in the fleet, and that

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they have a lot to talk about.

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Laura: it's gonna go off

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He says he was just there to

commit sabotage left a nuke

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and then got discovered.

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And I think when he's sweating,

he's also praying to one god, as

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our Cylons keep doing.

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Xhafer: Yes, yes, Leoban

is big One God supporter.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Very, very monotheistic.

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Laura: Surprisingly religious.

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Xhafer: Well he fancies

himself a bit of a soothsayer.

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Laura: Uh Huh.

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Xhafer: he says he has

knowledge of Starbuck's future.

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He's not willing to share it yet.

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We get that later in the episode.

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She has his lunch in front of him.

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Absolutely demoralizing.

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I don't know if this is the B5 in me,

but I hope that sandwich was corned beef.

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Hehehehe.

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Laura: yeah.

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Apparently this sandwich and,

like, salad is just absolutely

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terrible because she's being a

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total bitch about, oh, this food is awful.

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You want some?

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Xhafer: So we're a month out

from the attacks now, right?

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Laura: I think this one, 25.

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Yeah.

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Almost a

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month.

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Xhafer: So just about a month.

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I imagine Galactica has food

rations, and like MREs, and

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other ways of like storing food

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Laura: Oh, true.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: a lot of these ships

have to be running out of food.

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I imagine most ships in the colonial

fleet, given that there were not

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exploration vessels, none of these are

exploration vessels are probably like

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two weeks tops, like how much food fits

on a seven 47, you know, like exactly

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enough for the trip it's going on.

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So I would be, we don't get a

lot of that in this first season.

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I want to know more about the food.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Glo: yeah,

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because they obviously have,

like, lettuce that is fresh.

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So.

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There has to be some sort of

hydroponics going on somewhere.

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Laura: Yeah, we had that one ship that

I think was some sort of garden ship,

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but it got left behind, unfortunately.

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So,

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maybe there's another garden

ship out there, I hope.

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I don't know.

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Yeah, it seems like that's going

to have to be a going concern,

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and I could see that waiting until

later, later season, surely season

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two, because we don't actually have

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that many episodes left

of season one, right?

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Right.

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Xhafer: shorter season.

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I think after this we have four

or five episodes and another

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three guest spots, by the way.

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We got three in

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Laura: cramming them in there,

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just boom, boom, boom.

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Xhafer: Yeah, but we'll talk about

that at the end of the episode.

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yeah, Leoben knows that hunger

is the best spice while Starbuck

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wonders why he needs to eat it all.

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Laura: it does seem like a design

flaw, I think she calls it that.

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Like, poor programming is

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her words.

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Xhafer: well, I mean, She's imagining

a purpose for him different than the

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purpose that was imagined for him,

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Laura: Yeah, it seems like you know,

if you build them without hunger you

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can do battle bots, but if you build

them with hunger you can do more

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things.

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Perhaps, like intellectually.

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Xhafer: I mean, I don't see a USB C port

on this guy anywhere, so he's gotta do

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something to charge those batteries.

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Laura: Yeah, point.

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Xhafer: also just like, big picture

speaking, I have to imagine the

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point of designing humanoid Cylons.

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With all of the humanoid characteristics.

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If you, I mean, if it was just

infiltration, that'd be one thing,

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but that's clearly not the case.

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Right.

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They are designed to better know humanity.

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That is their purpose

within the Ceylon OVWA.

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Laura: Yeah, at least the experiments

that Six and Doral are running, for sure.

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And so, okay, we have the four Cylons

that we know of right, right now.

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We have Lioban, we have Six,

we have Doral, we have Sharon.

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it seems like there's a, Kind of

a scale of religiosity among them.

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I haven't really heard Sharon mention

much religious stuff, Doryl not so much

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either, but Six and Lioban seem to be

a little more religious, quote unquote.

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Seems to be more on their

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mind.

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Xhafer: Yeah, they're definitely

of the more spiritual side

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compared to their other Cylon

counterparts that we've met so far.

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At least that we know we've met so far.

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Oooooh.

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Okay, alright,

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Laura: Well I think we, we've skipped

past also Starbuck did inform Adama

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in all of this that he says there's

a nuke and so they're like, in the

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background behind this, the Starbuck

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drama, they're trying to do

radiological sweeps and stuff.

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Xhafer: Yes, yeah, they're doing

radiological sweeps, they're

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checking the fleet for things,

and there's other precautions

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that will come into place soon.

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Laura: Yeah, but she

starts beating him up.

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Xhafer: oh yeah, the hitting begins.

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Like, part of me is like, is this a

test to see if they experience pain

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as a like, know your enemy thing?

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Or is

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Laura: think so at first, sure.

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Xhafer: It's either that or it's

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a completely archaic view on interrogation

that is so often found in media.

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Laura: Uh Huh.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: actually works when most people

are trying to do it in the modern era, um,

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Laura: is how you get false

confessions real fast.

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Xhafer: 100%.

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Yeah, like, I'm not saying that this

stuff doesn't happen, it definitely

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does, and it's definitely a war crime

but there's also a whole, like, Modern

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interrogation method that is very,

very different from this that does not

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involve anything along these lines.

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If you want to learn more about

that, I suggest reading about the

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guy who interrogated Saddam Hussein.

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at the end of Gulf War II.

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That is a really interesting There's

an interview that he did with, I

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think it was CNN, but it might have

been a different news site, probably

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like, six or seven years ago.

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Um, where he talks about the interrogation

methods and like, reading Saddam Hussein's

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books and using that as a way to like,

ingratiate himself to him and stuff.

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Just like, it's very, very interesting.

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Uh,

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Laura: That's got to be a

weird read, especially with

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your, your purpose in mind.

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Xhafer: yeah, for sure.

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Glo: I wanted to talk a little

bit about this interrogation.

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Not even really being about Lioban,

but for the writers to Do some,

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character building for Starbuck's

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character.

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Because we definitely see, I

don't know, a, unhinged side

527

of Kara come out.

528

and, you know, not getting too far

ahead, but we also are dropped, Hey,

529

she's gone through some trauma and

this is It's, you know, for, somehow,

530

Leoban knows about it, um, and he, he is

exploiting that character flaw in her.

531

Xhafer: 100%.

532

That's a good call out.

533

Laura: I kind of was reading the whole

thing as, Well, here at the beginning,

534

you know, she's just like trying

to figure out, do they feel pain?

535

Can I get him to, like, turn

off the pain software, like she

536

says.

537

and then, I feel like Starbuck is a

person who is not qualified for this

538

situation and has been thrown into it.

539

And that's where it gets,

like you said, unhinged.

540

Like,

541

You know, I've been ordered to do my

best and my best is actually not very

542

good here.

543

I'm just gonna

544

go off

545

the

546

rails.

547

Glo: and, you know, it's even

hinted at that, you know, she has

548

to kind of almost become her mother,

549

um, in this as well.

550

Sorry, English teacher diving

551

in

552

here,

553

but, you

554

Laura: No, I

555

need

556

Glo: yeah,

557

I, yeah, I think, you know, I think it's

really important for her character here.

558

to see that she's not just a jock.

559

There's a lot of pain under there.

560

And Leoban is, is, you know,

pushing all the buttons.

561

Maybe even allowing her to do this.

562

I know it's not like he has

really any choice, but he's

563

able to draw that out of her.

564

Laura: Yeah, like he, he knows he's just

here for character development, basically.

565

Glo: Yeah?

566

Laura: I do want to take a part of as

much of it as we can especially in some

567

of these wordier spots where Leoban

kind of has monologue time or something,

568

because I feel like when I'm watching

this show, trying to take notes, I stop

569

a lot, and I'm not really, it's a trees

versus forest thing, I'm getting a lot

570

of trees, I'm not seeing the forest.

571

So if you got insights to

give to me, I would love them.

572

Xhafer: I mean, part of that,

too, is, like, I don't know

573

what I can say sometimes.

574

Glo: Mm

575

Laura: Uh Huh.

576

yeah, yeah.

577

Yeah.

578

Well, we'll let Glo give us, like,

English teacher analysis today.

579

That's plenty.

580

That's fine.

581

Glo: What is the author's intent?

582

Laura: Exactly, exactly.

583

I was pretty annoyed at the

author's intent here, though, when

584

we moved back to 6PT and Baltar.

585

I really thought I was going to have a

no 6PT and Baltar episode and I really

586

wanted one.

587

And I, didn't get it.

588

Xhafer: I, uh, I actually wrote, We get

our network mandated Gaius in 6PT scene.

589

Laura: Ugh.

590

Xhafer: In my notes.

591

It really felt that

592

way.

593

Glo: complete with her, you know,

behind him massaging sensuously.

594

Xhafer: Mhm.

595

Laura: Ugh.

596

I'm just so tired of these two.

597

I'm so mad at Baltar.

598

Boomer comes to visit.

599

And wants to be in the first batch

tested with the Cylon detector.

600

Xhafer: Yeah.

601

Laura: And 6BT is like right over his

shoulder and is like, What's the rush?

602

So, I don't know what, I mean, obviously

she knows the truth about her, but Huh.

603

What does, what does Six

know about the Sherins?

604

She seems

605

pretty annoyed, I think, here.

606

Xhafer: I mean, we see a bit

of that on Caprica as well.

607

Laura: Yes.

608

Xhafer: Um, that generally speaking,

The 6s and the Sharons, Not besties.

609

Laura: No.

610

She's pretty annoyed.

611

Xhafer: Yeah.

612

They seem to be very different people, so.

613

Laura: yeah Baltar can't say no to

a pretty lady, and even though it's

614

not ready, he's gonna do a beta test

615

Xhafer: Yeah.

616

Yeah, this is the control group, right?

617

I'm sure that won't mess up

the results for everyone.

618

Laura: Yeah, it'll be fine.

619

Xhafer: Yeah.

620

we go back to Caprica, which is,

we're on Caprica Green this time.

621

As Sharon is late for a

meetup with Six and Doral.

622

Who are like, what a fucking

skinbag Sharon is, hanging out

623

with the Humeys all the times.

624

Laura: But isn't this the

assignment they gave her?

625

Xhafer: 100%!

626

Well, actually, I guess it maybe

gave her isn't quite correct.

627

It was maybe more It depends on the Cylon

structure which might lead into spoilers.

628

I'm not gonna say anything right now.

629

I'm gonna purposefully avoid this topic.

630

Laura: Well, it seems like,

631

Xhafer: They're definitely overseeing her

632

operation

633

Laura: yeah, they're here

to watch this happening.

634

And it seems like, it seemed in episodes

previous, like, we're all in on it.

635

You know, whether or not somebody ordered

somebody to do something, I don't know.

636

But, like, we all know

637

what's going on and we're

all trying to achieve this

638

thing.

639

And I, I think I caught from the scene

that Sharon is like they, they're

640

saying she's supposed to convince him to

641

stay and like live in this cabin.

642

Xhafer: Yeah.

643

Yeah.

644

So that

645

The next step

646

Laura: here.

647

Xhafer: is, now that you guys have

fucked, go live in this cabin.

648

And we'll leave you alone.

649

We've We've We've set up this place to be

nice and quiet and away from everything.

650

Laura: Uh Huh.

651

Or he's gonna get killed.

652

Like

653

Xhafer: Yeah, oh yeah,

654

Laura: we don't need him.

655

If he won't do this thing.

656

Xhafer: exactly.

657

Laura: And Sharon is pretty

reluctant about this.

658

Uh, which Six is clocking immediately,

because they're not friends.

659

And Sharon runs back to Helo

and tells him that she's seen

660

Xylons and they have to go now.

661

Now, now.

662

Now,

663

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

664

Time to get the fuck outta here.

665

Laura: So she's not going to convince

him to stay in the cabin, where he would

666

be safe, it sounds like, for a time.

667

Xhafer: Yeah, well,

668

Laura: Or maybe not.

669

I don't

670

know.

671

Xhafer: not.

672

Back over on The Traveler Starbuck

talks shit while Leoben says he is God.

673

And then he clarifies, not

really me specifically, but

674

all of us, we're all God,

675

Laura: Yeah.

676

Xhafer: But then he goes on to say, well,

when I say we, I don't mean you humies

677

uh, because you betrayed God's ideals.

678

Which is why the Cylons were

created by God, of God, in the first

679

place, to punish you for your sins.

680

Laura: Yeah, and she's

like, well, we created the

681

Cylons.

682

And he's like, but did you?

683

Xhafer: Heheheheh.

684

But did you?

685

Laura: Yeah.

686

Uh.

687

Maybe God created us through you.

688

Boom.

689

Xhafer: Huh.

690

Anyways Leoben alludes to a

bunch more rivers and streams.

691

This is imagery he really

likes going back to.

692

Going back to the well on,

if you'll forgive the pun.

693

Laura: Yeah.

694

Xhafer: gimo around this time.

695

So let's just go ahead and lean in.

696

Glo: It's not like it's open again, right?

697

right?

698

right?

699

Xhafer: Right?

700

right.

701

Laura: Right?

702

Xhafer: I mean, I don't expect

this to make you feel better, but

703

what we're presented with here

is not actually water boarding.

704

Water boarding is actually a

very different form of torture.

705

Glo: This is just like, dipping

someone's head in a bucket.

706

And, until

707

they are sad,

708

right?

709

Xhafer: Yeah, I think I call it dunkin

for bullshit instead of apples at one

710

point in my notes but yeah waterboarding

is, they put like a thick fabric

711

over you, like a canvas or a towel or

something, and then they drench that

712

in water, and it makes your brain think

you're drowning even though you're not.

713

Yeah, It's it's arguably worse.

714

I don't know.

715

I don't want to know.

716

I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna do

any empirical testing to find out.

717

I can fucking say that for sure.

718

Laura: Probably a war

719

crime.

720

Xhafer: We're really earning our explicit

721

rating today, and by earning, and we,

I mean me, dropping a bunch of f bombs.

722

Laura: What is a podcast for if

you can't say fuck all the time?

723

Xhafer: Right!

724

Laura: I

725

don't even know.

726

Xhafer: Leoban says he'll, he could

kill Starbuck before the guards even

727

get back in, and she's all like, Yeah,

whatever, and then he proves his point

728

by breaking his chains, throwing the

table, and instantly choking her.

729

Laura: So stressful.

730

Glo: I mean, one thing that this

does show us too, which might

731

add to the confusion, is he is

willing to show some of his cards.

732

Xhafer: Yeah.

733

Laura: Yeah.

734

Glo: So what what has he shown

us that's real and what's not?

735

Because when it wasn't working for

him, he showed his hand, right?

736

You know, oh, you don't

think I can do this?

737

Okay, here we go.

738

So how human is he and

how provocable is he?

739

Laura: Yeah.

740

And I wonder, you know, the other

guards rush in and pull him off

741

of her, but how much of that is

742

him just letting it

743

happen?

744

Glo: Right.

745

So is this

746

whole Is the whole thing he knew

he was going to be messed with

747

and he just is letting this whole

thing happen because he could have

748

gotten out of the situation already.

749

Laura: And he's got that kind

of, um, was it Zarek who we met?

750

What was the character's name?

751

Xhafer: Tom Zarek?

752

Laura: Yeah, Tom Zarek.

753

He's got that kind of martyr

754

energy.

755

going on.

756

He doesn't really care

what happens to him.

757

He's trying to achieve

a goal, as Adama said.

758

Xhafer: Mm hm.

759

Laura: Always knowing that he's gonna die

760

in this, like there's no way out.

761

Glo: But, I mean, one thing we didn't hit

on is he does, they do make a big thing

762

out of He doesn't know if he's close

enough to do the reincarnation thing,

763

so he, he might actually die if

764

he dies, which is, you know, which is

also very interesting and very testing

765

of the limits of his humanity because

he might be the most human at this

766

moment.

767

Laura: That's true.

768

That's true.

769

Which would make his, his whole

martyr vibe even stronger.

770

Because if he's not sure he's gonna

reincarnate, you know, most martyrs don't.

771

I

772

think they're going to

reincarnate, I think.

773

I don't know.

774

I haven't been inside

the mind of a martyr.

775

I hope to not.

776

But, yeah.

777

He's, He's,

778

really bought into the cause, then.

779

Xhafer: sure has.

780

Um, at this point we get

a little bit of a go back.

781

We know that there's no

luck on finding the nuke.

782

Laura: Yeah, we, we visit Leoben's corpse,

783

as well, as Adama is

784

thinking about this and calling Ty.

785

Xhafer: Was it jarring for you

how much better this corpse looked

786

than the photo Rosalind showed of

the corpse like five episodes ago?

787

Am I the only one who

caught that, clocked that?

788

Laura: Yeah, I didn't

really notice anything about

789

that.

790

Xhafer: The photo she showed

of the corpse, I remember being

791

like, this is a fucking corpse.

792

Like.

793

This is, this is, this has been dead.

794

Right?

795

And fucked up from radiation and stuff,

because Leoben was not having a good

796

time on his way out of Ragnar station.

797

Laura: was real sick.

798

Xhafer: He was real sick.

799

And then, this Leoben looks

almost recently dead and healthy.

800

Laura: I wonder if that's

continuity problem or an

801

on purpose problem.

802

I don't know.

803

Xhafer: It's safe to say

it's a continuity problem.

804

Laura: Okay.

805

Xhafer: Um, if it was a thing they

were teasing to be a spoiler for later,

806

I would not be bringing it up right

807

now.

808

Heh

809

Laura: they didn't, yeah.

810

I don't know, for one, why

he goes to visit the corpse.

811

That is never obvious to me.

812

And, two, why we have this corpse and

we haven't done any testing on it.

813

We're like ripping the raider

ship apart trying to find the

814

poop tube, and we're not looking

815

the Lioban?

816

What?

817

Guys!

818

Hmm.

819

Xhafer: I'm not gonna say That it's for

certain, because maybe they haven't.

820

Like, an autopsy is usually chest down.

821

If you open up and see that it's all

just normal organs and stuff, I got

822

to imagine anything that you think

might be Cylon bits, you've already

823

But maybe not.

824

Maybe they're just fucking up.

825

There's a lot of that in this show.

826

Just generally speaking.

827

It's almost like they're human.

828

Laura: Ha ha ha ha ha.

829

Almost, though.

830

Yeah.

831

Uh, And I mean, I guess it's possible

that the Cylons have just done such

832

a good job recreating these human

models that you just open it up and

833

from all the things that you have, all

the microscopes or the tools or the

834

whatevers, you're just like, damn, it's

835

all the same.

836

Like, I don't know what I'm

supposed to learn from this.

837

Xhafer: Where's the transmitter?

838

Where's the red glowy spine shit?

839

Laura: Yeah, it seems like they

should have given Baltar some

840

The way to use this corpse.

841

Like, shouldn't that have been,

like, part of the Cylon detector is

842

like, Oh, yes, I can figure

out, but I don't know.

843

Xhafer: I mean, also, if he doesn't ask

for it, are you going to give it to him?

844

Laura: Does he, he knows that

It's there though, right?

845

Xhafer: You know what I mean?

846

He uses

847

the basis of Leoben dying in

the radiation of Ragnar Station.

848

That's why he says he needs the nuke.

849

That's what makes the Cylon detector.

850

Laura: so he knows it's there.

851

is he being a dipshit I, he's

852

Xhafer: is is Balter being a dipshit.

853

is like, that could be

the name of this podcast

854

Laura: a bear shit in the woods?

855

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

856

Is the

857

Pope Catholic?

858

Ha ha ha.

859

Xhafer: Oh, here we are.

860

So we start bobbing for bullshit

and uh, Leoben is unfazed.

861

, Leoban goes about Starbucks problems.

862

Laura: yes, this is where

some of the mother's story,

863

I'm not sure I really caught

864

it.

865

so, recap the mother's story for me.

866

Xhafer: so, Leoban, Leoban here goes

on about how Starbucks problems all

867

stem from a need to injure herself

and others as a way of proving her

868

suffering which was instilled as

a sense of worth by her mother.

869

Glo: Yep.

870

Xhafer: her mother was all You

aren't worthy if you don't suffer.

871

I doubt those words ever left a

human being's mouth in a meaningful

872

way to their child, I fucking hope.

873

But there are ways that you can

demonstrate that through action, or in

874

less straightforward ways that are less

875

psychoanalytical.

876

Laura: context comes to mind,

877

yeah.

878

Xhafer: For sure,

879

religious

880

context

881

comes to mind.

882

Glo: Did they, did they make a

point that this was religious?

883

Mm hmm.

884

I don't remember.

885

Laura: know.

886

I don't know that they explicitly did, or

if I just went like, Oh yes, of course,

887

I see that all the time in Oklahoma.

888

Xhafer: Yeah,

889

yeah,

890

yeah, yeah, it's,

891

Laura: Those people are all around me.

892

Glo: Oh

893

Xhafer: yeah.

894

you know, I mean, I mean, Jesus

suffered, so you must suffer

895

to be more Christ like, right?

896

Laura: Yeah, some of

897

Xhafer: Yeah.

898

Yeah, it's not it wasn't that he did

it so that you wouldn't have to, right?

899

Asking questions.

900

I'm

901

the worst

902

Glo: Ooh, but I mean if we're playing

into the martyr trope, are we, are we

903

setting up Starbuck as a martyr now?

904

Laura: I think that's kind of

what he's saying then, right?

905

Is like, you've been

trying to martyr yourself.

906

And Also,

907

making people around you

suffer, though, is interesting.

908

I

909

don't know

910

Xhafer: yeah, well, if your goal, I

mean, she's a flight instructor, right?

911

Her goal is to make others better.

912

So she's someone who spent a lot of

time teaching and her method of her

913

understanding of worthiness stems

from your ability to handle suffering.

914

Laura: Mmm.

915

Xhafer: Then one would lead to

believe that she was a shitty teacher.

916

Glo: Oof.

917

Laura: She's teaching

through suffering, yeah.

918

Which is not always an

919

effective tool, or maybe effective

at the totally wrong things.

920

Xhafer: I mean Glow, as an

English teacher, what's the worst

921

book

922

you teach?

923

Glo: Oh, God.

924

Well, you know, it's funny.

925

Yeah, I'm not going to answer that,

but like, you know, I, I, I have been

926

very fortunate that I've had a lot of

control over the curriculum that I teach.

927

Um, I just have to teach

certain standards, but.

928

I, I was going to make the

point that, you know, I, I know

929

teachers who are like Cara Thrace.

930

You know what I mean?

931

The ones who are, you know,

emotionally closed off.

932

They don't make connections

with their students.

933

They are all about the school

of hard knocks and they think

934

that they are effective.

935

They are not effective.

936

Um, they're

937

scary.

938

Xhafer: so yeah, that was, that

was kind of what Leoben was getting

939

into there, in his little brief

940

Laura: And he touches a

941

nerve,

942

yeah,

943

just, just right on

944

it, just like right there, just

like, He smiles in his bucket,

945

too, while he's being drowned.

946

Xhafer: yeah.

947

Laura: So clearly achieving our

948

goals.

949

Yeah,

950

Glo: excellent little piece of writing

there because it's just enough of him,

951

again, playing his hand, you know, just we

see a little bit of it for the audience.

952

You could have like looked down at your

phone and not seen that part, right?

953

Laura: totally.

954

Or at your

955

notes.

956

Glo: yeah, right, yeah,

957

totally.

958

totally.

959

And you know, just a little bit of

character development to show, oh,

960

he's actually in a lot more control.

961

Just like, you know, him going

berserk on her a moment ago.

962

Laura: Yeah.

963

Xhafer: We cut over to Boomer, who

talks a little bit about her past.

964

How mysterious, her whole

family died, you know.

965

Laura: The whole colony was

966

Xhafer: career.

967

Yeah.

968

Crazy.

969

Weird.

970

Huh.

971

Man, do we know any other

characters like that?

972

Huh.

973

Maybe we should think about that.

974

Anyways,

975

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

976

What was

977

Glo: a good face!

978

Sorry this is audio format,

979

guys.

980

Laura: Oh,

981

Xhafer: Man.

982

But yeah the Cylon

detector actually works?

983

Laura: seems like it does, because we know

984

that she's a Cylon, and it pops.

985

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

986

Big red over here.

987

No Chewleys double mint for her.

988

Only big red.

989

Laura: And Now we know that Baltar knows,

990

but Baltar knows that she doesn't know.

991

It's

992

a whole thing.

993

Xhafer: Yep.

994

6BT is like grabbing the popcorn meme

embodiment here while taunting Gaius

995

about how absolutely fucked he is.

996

Like his options are Lie

to Boomer, Or get killed.

997

Laura: Yeah.

998

Glo: Wait, why would he get

999

killed?

00:42:26,526 --> 00:42:30,426

Xhafer: 6PT talks about how if

Boomer is confronted with the fact

00:42:30,426 --> 00:42:35,786

that her cover has been blown, her,

like, inner Cylon will reveal itself

00:42:35,816 --> 00:42:36,026

and

00:42:36,026 --> 00:42:36,936

just rip his

00:42:37,088 --> 00:42:38,058

Glo: Whoa!

00:42:38,308 --> 00:42:39,168

Missed that!

00:42:39,988 --> 00:42:44,478

Laura: Yeah, no, she's like mocking him,

saying, Well, you know, now you've stepped

00:42:44,478 --> 00:42:47,778

in it, cause she'll just kill you, right?

00:42:48,478 --> 00:42:52,948

And, I still am so mad at Baltar.

00:42:53,498 --> 00:42:56,398

Like, obviously, okay, he's

gotta get out of this room.

00:42:56,528 --> 00:43:00,068

Like, he's in the room with the

Cylon, and he's about to be a

00:43:00,168 --> 00:43:01,888

big threat to that Cylon, right?

00:43:02,266 --> 00:43:02,676

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

00:43:03,413 --> 00:43:06,113

Laura: You can still say something later.

00:43:06,353 --> 00:43:08,963

Like, get out of the

damn room, okay, fine.

00:43:09,213 --> 00:43:11,423

Go directly to Commander Adama and

00:43:11,883 --> 00:43:12,603

say something.

00:43:12,664 --> 00:43:13,854

Glo: Ooh, good point.

00:43:14,213 --> 00:43:18,663

Laura: But he fucking doesn't, cause

he's a chicken shit little asshole man.

00:43:19,482 --> 00:43:19,822

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:43:21,232 --> 00:43:22,032

Just wait.

00:43:22,232 --> 00:43:25,172

Like, like you think

you've been mad at Baltar?

00:43:25,332 --> 00:43:27,082

You have not been mad at Baltar.

00:43:28,042 --> 00:43:30,262

You think you've been disgusted with him?

00:43:30,652 --> 00:43:32,662

You haven't even started to

00:43:32,672 --> 00:43:34,762

be disgusted with Gaius Baltar yet.

00:43:35,182 --> 00:43:35,882

Just.

00:43:36,052 --> 00:43:36,702

You.

00:43:36,932 --> 00:43:37,662

Wait.

00:43:37,748 --> 00:43:40,858

Laura: and he's the whole

reason all this shit happened.

00:43:41,492 --> 00:43:42,092

Xhafer: Mm hmm.

00:43:42,604 --> 00:43:44,014

Laura: He's the whole reason.

00:43:44,154 --> 00:43:47,164

And he's just doing all these

little mental flippity flips to like

00:43:47,164 --> 00:43:49,004

conserve his own corpse and it's like

00:43:49,004 --> 00:43:50,744

your own corpse doesn't fucking matter.

00:43:51,642 --> 00:43:53,542

Xhafer: Yeah, I mean, let's take a

00:43:53,542 --> 00:43:56,352

hypothetical example of just a shitbag

00:43:56,682 --> 00:43:57,712

person, right?

00:43:58,382 --> 00:44:01,982

And let's say the shitbag

person fucks up real bad.

00:44:02,322 --> 00:44:06,612

They fuck up so bad they're probably

gonna go to jail for a while, right?

00:44:07,162 --> 00:44:10,092

And so now they're just doing

everything they can to make themselves

00:44:10,102 --> 00:44:12,142

useful in the eyes of the public.

00:44:12,922 --> 00:44:17,792

You know, do you think that person

would maybe even go as far as to run for

00:44:17,792 --> 00:44:20,422

president to avoid what was going on?

00:44:20,894 --> 00:44:21,274

Laura: Hmm.

00:44:21,454 --> 00:44:21,464

Hmm.

00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,029

Glo: Hmm.

00:44:24,982 --> 00:44:25,452

Xhafer: right,

00:44:28,412 --> 00:44:28,772

huh?

00:44:29,619 --> 00:44:31,119

Laura: Do you think it would work, though?

00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:35,539

This

00:44:36,012 --> 00:44:39,612

Xhafer: if that shitbag person who

had to run from their problems So they

00:44:39,612 --> 00:44:43,222

ran for president so that they could

be self exonerated because you don't

00:44:43,222 --> 00:44:48,872

persecute presidents You know, one, what

a crazy world that would be to live in.

00:44:49,212 --> 00:44:54,522

Clearly a work of fiction Because

we're still just talking about

00:44:54,532 --> 00:44:56,302

Battlestar Galactica, Right?

00:44:57,899 --> 00:44:59,829

Laura: is a Battlestar Galactica podcast.

00:44:59,859 --> 00:45:01,089

It couldn't be about anything

00:45:01,089 --> 00:45:01,399

else,

00:45:01,687 --> 00:45:02,707

Xhafer: A hundred percent.

00:45:02,929 --> 00:45:05,129

Glo: ruining everybody's

escapism right now.

00:45:06,957 --> 00:45:12,777

Xhafer: I feel like, you know, if I

got a dollar for every time I ruined

00:45:12,787 --> 00:45:18,557

one of our listeners escapisms by

dropping in some political nonsense,

00:45:19,527 --> 00:45:21,647

I would not have a normal job.

00:45:22,257 --> 00:45:24,007

I would be a professional podcaster.

00:45:24,399 --> 00:45:24,819

Laura: Right.

00:45:25,197 --> 00:45:26,957

Xhafer: And we don't

have that many listeners.

00:45:29,011 --> 00:45:29,721

Anyways

00:45:29,753 --> 00:45:29,773

Laura: Sigh.

00:45:30,478 --> 00:45:30,688

Yeah,

00:45:30,688 --> 00:45:31,528

so he fakes it.

00:45:32,017 --> 00:45:33,307

Xhafer: Yeah, so he just says fuck it.

00:45:33,862 --> 00:45:35,772

Greens, I lied.

00:45:35,812 --> 00:45:37,772

Julie's double meant for you after all.

00:45:38,749 --> 00:45:43,477

Rosalyn uh, keeps seeing Leoben

here in like the corner of her eyes

00:45:43,487 --> 00:45:47,602

and little visions and her dreams

and decides to go see him herself.

00:45:48,102 --> 00:45:53,672

Leoben quotes scripture to Starbuck

here which I'm gonna call out is

00:45:53,672 --> 00:45:56,882

very important because this is

the first time we hear this in the

00:45:56,882 --> 00:45:57,242

show.

00:45:57,584 --> 00:45:58,354

Glo: Interesting.

00:45:58,744 --> 00:46:02,194

Xhafer: And it is something that

you will be hearing a lot of.

00:46:03,070 --> 00:46:04,860

Laura: Like this specific line or just

00:46:04,860 --> 00:46:05,800

quotes from this

00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:06,450

scripture.

00:46:06,684 --> 00:46:10,094

Xhafer: This, this specific line,

all of this has happened before

00:46:10,094 --> 00:46:11,664

and all of this will happen again.

00:46:13,374 --> 00:46:17,634

I would say that of everything

quoted from scripture in this

00:46:17,634 --> 00:46:20,874

show, this is, we probably hear

this more than So Say We All.

00:46:21,945 --> 00:46:23,355

Laura: Wow, okay.

00:46:23,834 --> 00:46:25,354

Xhafer: Um, and maybe, I mean, I'm not

00:46:25,434 --> 00:46:30,754

gonna, like, count the number of times,

but, and also, you know, I'm remembering

00:46:30,754 --> 00:46:35,204

a show from 20 years ago that I haven't

watched since it aired, so, I could very

00:46:35,204 --> 00:46:37,184

easily be wrong there, but we hear it.

00:46:37,649 --> 00:46:37,749

A

00:46:37,749 --> 00:46:38,259

lot.

00:46:38,569 --> 00:46:41,279

And maybe I'm just remembering,

like, maybe it was very prominently

00:46:41,279 --> 00:46:42,859

in the advertising materials.

00:46:43,887 --> 00:46:47,547

I still can't listen to All American

Rejects without thinking of Battlestar

00:46:47,547 --> 00:46:49,997

Galactica because they were in,

like, all of the ads for Season 4.

00:46:50,433 --> 00:46:51,483

Laura: Really?

00:46:52,117 --> 00:46:52,857

Xhafer: Yeah!

00:46:53,167 --> 00:46:57,516

Um, the, the uh, that All American

Rejects song, like, It ends

00:46:57,516 --> 00:46:59,436

tonight, it ends, like, that one.

00:46:59,646 --> 00:47:04,756

That was, like, in every Season 4

commercial for Battlestar Galactica.

00:47:04,756 --> 00:47:05,326

from

00:47:05,743 --> 00:47:06,673

Laura: You know they're from here,

00:47:06,673 --> 00:47:07,003

right?

00:47:07,287 --> 00:47:07,717

Glo: Oklahoma?

00:47:08,475 --> 00:47:09,285

Xhafer: from Oklahoma?

00:47:09,522 --> 00:47:09,862

Laura: Yeah,

00:47:10,012 --> 00:47:10,342

Glo: Wow.

00:47:11,072 --> 00:47:11,802

Laura: Mm hmm.

00:47:11,802 --> 00:47:12,122

Tulsa.

00:47:12,132 --> 00:47:14,272

I'm pretty sure it's Tulsa.

00:47:14,682 --> 00:47:15,412

I don't know, it's one of the

00:47:15,412 --> 00:47:15,892

two metros.

00:47:16,632 --> 00:47:18,722

Glo: You know, who else is from Tulsa?

00:47:19,382 --> 00:47:20,072

The Hanson

00:47:20,072 --> 00:47:20,722

Brothers.

00:47:21,192 --> 00:47:21,762

Laura: yes, they

00:47:21,762 --> 00:47:22,232

are.

00:47:22,642 --> 00:47:24,902

Glo: I was a huge Hanson fan.

00:47:25,192 --> 00:47:25,372

And

00:47:25,372 --> 00:47:31,032

if, listener, if you are somebody who

only knows Hanson from Oombop, they

00:47:31,032 --> 00:47:33,562

have grown up and they are very talented

00:47:33,562 --> 00:47:34,422

musicians.

00:47:34,892 --> 00:47:36,932

Laura: Yeah, they still,

they're still musicking.

00:47:36,942 --> 00:47:37,032

I

00:47:37,042 --> 00:47:37,802

think one of them

00:47:37,812 --> 00:47:38,142

owns

00:47:38,142 --> 00:47:39,012

a brewery

00:47:39,082 --> 00:47:39,252

Glo: Oh,

00:47:39,252 --> 00:47:39,732

wow.

00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,090

Xhafer: they've got a beer called

00:47:41,110 --> 00:47:41,780

Mhops.

00:47:42,272 --> 00:47:42,652

Glo: Yeah.

00:47:43,012 --> 00:47:43,612

Laura: Yes, they

00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:46,150

Xhafer: Yep, that's the only thing I know.

00:47:47,077 --> 00:47:47,207

Laura: they're.

00:47:47,207 --> 00:47:50,157

funny, I mean, come on, if you do a song

00:47:50,157 --> 00:47:51,947

like that, you have to

00:47:52,027 --> 00:47:52,327

riff

00:47:52,327 --> 00:47:53,507

on it later in life.

00:47:53,517 --> 00:47:54,347

Yeah, yeah.

00:47:54,757 --> 00:47:55,467

they were children.

00:47:56,070 --> 00:47:56,510

Xhafer: So,

00:47:57,497 --> 00:47:59,847

Laura: I went to see

them in Tulsa once, yeah.

00:48:01,797 --> 00:48:03,707

I was probably like 11, I don't

00:48:03,962 --> 00:48:04,082

Glo: Oh,

00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:04,560

Xhafer: So were

00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:04,860

they.

00:48:05,387 --> 00:48:06,257

Glo: Yeah, probably.

00:48:06,417 --> 00:48:07,907

Laura: We're about the same age, it's

00:48:08,067 --> 00:48:09,177

Glo: Yeah, seriously.

00:48:09,423 --> 00:48:10,603

Laura: That's, that's our claim to fame.

00:48:10,603 --> 00:48:12,423

We have the All American

Rejects, we have Hanson.

00:48:13,653 --> 00:48:15,053

We've got more, but some of them aren't

00:48:15,053 --> 00:48:15,263

worth

00:48:15,263 --> 00:48:15,713

mentioning.

00:48:16,343 --> 00:48:18,313

Glo: Yeah, nothing comes out of Detroit.

00:48:18,314 --> 00:48:19,255

Just a mate.

00:48:19,255 --> 00:48:20,032

We we

00:48:20,032 --> 00:48:20,421

have

00:48:20,474 --> 00:48:21,824

Laura: You guys, you guys have

00:48:21,974 --> 00:48:23,528

Glo: that was totally wrong.

00:48:23,528 --> 00:48:27,024

Like we have an amazing Motown is a thing.

00:48:27,864 --> 00:48:28,214

Laura: Yeah.

00:48:29,364 --> 00:48:29,664

Yeah.

00:48:29,664 --> 00:48:31,074

you guys are just like, okay,

00:48:31,244 --> 00:48:31,774

Glo: Yeah.

00:48:32,014 --> 00:48:33,214

Oh musicians.

00:48:33,676 --> 00:48:34,666

Xhafer: we've got a few.

00:48:34,942 --> 00:48:37,792

Uh, We're proud of most of them.

00:48:37,922 --> 00:48:38,222

But

00:48:38,242 --> 00:48:39,572

not all of them.

00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:40,209

Glo: fair.

00:48:41,029 --> 00:48:41,519

Mm hmm.

00:48:42,071 --> 00:48:43,291

Xhafer: Anyways, yeah.

00:48:43,401 --> 00:48:47,406

So Leoben, At this point,

drops the prophecy.

00:48:48,006 --> 00:48:50,236

Kara is going to find cobalt

00:48:50,398 --> 00:48:51,008

Glo: Yeah

00:48:51,656 --> 00:48:56,186

Xhafer: and that, that, that Kara finding

cobalt is what will lead them to earth.

00:48:56,842 --> 00:48:58,062

Laura: Okay, clarification

00:48:58,062 --> 00:48:58,752

question here.

00:48:58,802 --> 00:49:00,942

I assume this is not a too spoilery

00:49:00,972 --> 00:49:01,772

clarification.

00:49:01,876 --> 00:49:02,776

Xhafer: is, I won't answer

00:49:03,012 --> 00:49:03,882

Laura: Kobol,

00:49:04,512 --> 00:49:07,332

is he speaking of a planet or of a god?

00:49:08,146 --> 00:49:08,836

Xhafer: cobalt.

00:49:08,856 --> 00:49:09,346

So.

00:49:09,771 --> 00:49:12,201

The lords of kobol are the gods,

00:49:12,881 --> 00:49:14,951

but they are the 12 colonies of

00:49:14,951 --> 00:49:22,811

kobol because kobol is the originator

of Humanity so so in the lore we've

00:49:22,811 --> 00:49:27,101

gotten bits of this enough where I don't

feel like I'm ruining anything right

00:49:27,101 --> 00:49:35,663

now by saying this is like the origin

planet of I don't want to they're not I

00:49:35,663 --> 00:49:40,248

don't say humans Because they're, that

would mean they came from Earth, right?

00:49:40,488 --> 00:49:45,548

So, like, they are, they are, the

humans that we see, for lack of a

00:49:45,548 --> 00:49:47,188

better term, all came from Kobol.

00:49:47,678 --> 00:49:51,308

There was a thing on Kobol

where they all had to leave.

00:49:52,155 --> 00:49:52,705

Laura: Okay, like an

00:49:52,738 --> 00:49:53,928

Xhafer: space, Yeah.

00:49:54,648 --> 00:49:55,698

They had space faring

00:49:55,698 --> 00:50:00,278

technology, and then they left, and

they founded the Twelve Colonies.

00:50:00,595 --> 00:50:03,525

Laura: But there's the

13th colony that was lost,

00:50:03,545 --> 00:50:03,795

that

00:50:03,838 --> 00:50:06,088

Xhafer: Which, which is Earth, yes.

00:50:06,698 --> 00:50:10,078

And so, Kobol is like

the originator planet.

00:50:10,674 --> 00:50:11,024

Laura: Okay.

00:50:11,337 --> 00:50:15,377

Xhafer: So, um, we'll, there

will be more, obviously, this is

00:50:15,377 --> 00:50:17,017

a prophecy, it's seeding story.

00:50:17,687 --> 00:50:20,497

Um, so we'll learn more about Kobol

00:50:21,367 --> 00:50:22,927

before the end of this season.

00:50:23,594 --> 00:50:23,934

Laura: Okay.

00:50:24,917 --> 00:50:26,737

Xhafer: That's a fair statement.

00:50:27,104 --> 00:50:29,974

Laura: Yeah, I was just, like, wanting

to know, like, is it, is Kobol a

00:50:29,974 --> 00:50:34,374

literal place or is he saying, like,

you're going to find God and then

00:50:34,384 --> 00:50:35,494

you're going to find Earth?

00:50:35,574 --> 00:50:35,904

So,

00:50:36,094 --> 00:50:36,514

okay.

00:50:36,627 --> 00:50:39,517

Xhafer: Well, if we're talking

about interpreting prophecy,

00:50:40,067 --> 00:50:41,967

Laura: I mean, it could be two things.

00:50:42,072 --> 00:50:42,152

Glo: Hmm.

00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:48,270

Xhafer: Rosalind walks in on this

scene and is just like, what the hell?

00:50:48,770 --> 00:50:51,110

She apologizes for the torture.

00:50:51,720 --> 00:50:54,670

She says that we can stop this

conflict with the Cylons now

00:50:54,670 --> 00:50:56,360

if they just trust each other.

00:50:56,816 --> 00:50:56,906

Laura: Uh

00:50:57,079 --> 00:51:00,639

Xhafer: Leoban tells Rosalind

that Adama is a Cylon.

00:51:01,546 --> 00:51:02,126

Laura: Yeah.

00:51:02,176 --> 00:51:07,366

Well, I feel like we're skipping over

some bits here in that, like, she's pretty

00:51:07,366 --> 00:51:12,091

sincere with this offer of, We could

trust each other, we could stop this, in

00:51:12,091 --> 00:51:17,162

that she, like, takes off his restraints

and, you know, gives him some freedom.

00:51:17,162 --> 00:51:20,792

He, like, rushes to hug her

and she doesn't have him,

00:51:20,792 --> 00:51:22,682

like, immediately killed.

00:51:23,230 --> 00:51:23,600

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:51:24,167 --> 00:51:27,152

Laura: She seems pretty genuine about it.

00:51:27,152 --> 00:51:30,380

And then he whispers

that Adama is a Cylon.

00:51:30,991 --> 00:51:31,841

Glo: Oh, man.

00:51:31,951 --> 00:51:36,451

So, you know, I was watching this through

a teacher's lens because that's what