The central theme of our discourse revolves around the intriguing notion that telepathy, frequently attributed to extraterrestrial entities, may serve as a conduit for understanding anomalous phenomena, including hauntings. This episode delves into the proposition that what we frequently classify as supernatural experiences could, in fact, stem from interactions with alien civilizations, who possess an intrinsic ability to navigate realities beyond our comprehension. We explore the implications of telepathic connections as potential explanations for various paranormal occurrences, emphasizing that the typical human experience often obscures deeper truths. Through a serious and methodical examination, we endeavor to illuminate the intersection of telepathy, alien communication, and the nature of reality itself. Join us as we engage in this profound inquiry, challenging conventional boundaries and inviting listeners to ponder the enigmatic dimensions of existence.

Welcome to Deadly Departed, where the boundaries between the living, the dead, and the decidedly otherworldly are never as clear as they seem. In this episode, hosts Jock Brocas and Craig Weiler dive headfirst into the eerie intersection of hauntings, anomalous phenomena, and the ever-intriguing world of UFOs and aliens. Is what we sometimes consider to be ghostly activity actually evidence of extraterrestrial encounters? Could telepathy—long associated with the paranormal—also be a key to understanding alien communication?

Jock and Craig candidly discuss theories, share personal experiences, and debate whether phenomena like telepathic communication, dream encounters, and even possession might sometimes have “alien” explanations. They don’t claim to be experts in UFOlogy, but their fascination with unexplained phenomena leads them down thought-provoking rabbit holes—tackling everything from the science of telepathy to the anthropological role of psychic abilities in groups, and the limits of materialist science in explaining it all.

Get ready for a fly-on-the-wall conversation that veers from science to storytelling—as the hosts compare notes on strange sightings, debate the source of consciousness, and invite listeners to bring their own ghost stories and questions for future episodes. If you’re drawn to the mysteries that linger at the edge of science and spirituality, you won’t want to miss this one.

The discourse encapsulates an exploration into the intersection of telepathy and extraterrestrial phenomena, positing that telepathic communication is a common attribute among alien civilizations. The speakers, Jock and Craig, delve into the implications of such communication, suggesting that it may grant these entities a profound connection to realities that remain obscured to humanity. They further speculate on the nature of hauntings, proposing that what is often classified as paranormal activity may in fact be manifestations of alien interactions, where the boundaries between the spiritual and the extraterrestrial blur. Jock elaborates on the notion that telepathy could provide a means for these beings to engage with our reality, potentially explaining sightings and experiences attributed to UFOs or unidentified aerial phenomena, thus inviting listeners to reconsider conventional interpretations of the supernatural within a broader cosmic context.

Takeaways:

• The discussion on telepathy suggests it may be a common characteristic among extraterrestrial beings.
• The podcast explores the potential connection between UFO phenomena and alleged hauntings experienced by individuals.
• Listeners are invited to contemplate the nature of reality as influenced by telepathic communication from alien entities.
• The hosts emphasize the need for measurable evidence in parapsychology to validate experiences of anomalous phenomena.

Links referenced in this episode:

• residentalien
• paranormaldailynews.com
• deadlydeparted.co
• paranews.network

Companies mentioned in this episode:

• Paranormal Daily News
• Dr. Marjorie Woollacott
• Chris Bledsoe
• Alien of the Gods
• Chariot of the Gods
• Resident Alien
• Skinwalker Ranch
• Ancient Aliens
• Harry the Alien
• Telepathy Tapes
• Dr. Barry Taf

The reason we would even consider aliens is because telepathy is common in aliens.

That's absolutely.

That's just how we do this.

And the thing that comes along with telepathy is a very, very strong connection to a part of reality that normally is very subdued for us.

Welcome to the Deadly Departed podcast, where the veil between the living and the dead is just a whisper away.

I'm Jock, and along with my colleagues in Paranormal Daily News, we will be your guides through the shadowy realms of the paranormal and the unexplained.

In each episode, we will dive into the eerie and the enigmatic with the help of today's leading experts in parapsychology, science and the supernatural, prepare to uncover the secrets that lurk in the dark and explore the mysteries that defy explanation.

Let's embark on this journey now.

Good evening, good afternoon, good morning, ladies and gentlemen.

This is Jock here.

This is Deadly Departed.

I'm joined here with my very good friend, PDN science editor Craig Wyler.

And we have got just an interesting.

We're not here to talk today about to teach you anything or to share any research or anything.

We've got loads of that coming up.

We've got a big series coming up in the telepathy tapes.

We've got lots and lots of stuff coming up.

We've got experts coming up, we've got Dr. Marjorie Woollacott coming on, we've got other experts coming on.

So we're just going to have a little part two conversation.

So you're getting a bit of insight into your discussions, essentially.

So you're just going to listen, you're going to nose in, be a fly on the wall about something that we are not really have much expertise in, but find it interesting.

And this kind of be the part two of hauntings, right?

And we're bringing in this whole ufo, UAP phenomena.

Now, as I say myself, I'm not a massive expert in that field.

I know a little bit of it.

I've been interviewed about it in the past in terms of spiritualism and UFO and all that kind of stuff.

But I have a theory and I have a theory and I was many years ago, I was a conference where this was part of the discussion.

Part of my theory was that a lot of some of the anomalous phenomena that we put down in hauntings or even possessions for that matter, could essentially be alien phenomena, right?

Or UFO phenomena.

So that's what we're going to jump into, ladies and gentlemen.

Craig, what do you think?

It's.

It's really hard to tell.

Of course, you know, a lot of this stuff is black, what I call black box.

Yeah.

Which is you have this phenomena, but the, the cause of it isn't physical.

So there's no real easy way to go that caused this.

You just, you can't see that really clearly with it.

And so you, you know, you have.

This is all in the mind, which is a really, a really difficult place to sort that sort of cause and effect stuff out.

So we're in the same position as the rest of the world.

We are speculating and it is as good as it's going to get.

Now, I find it interesting because if you watch something like Skinwalker Branch or some of the, you know, Ancient Aliens and all these other pros, even, you know, the treasure hunting shows, there always seems to be an element of anomalous phenomena.

Something happens and immediately people think, you know, in these shows they can put it down because they talk.

Well, maybe it's aliens or it's UFOs or UAPs, whatever else.

But there's often people that have experience.

Experiences.

If anybody's read Chris Bledsoe's book, was it Alien of the Gods?

I can't remember.

Actually.

Alien of the Gods, it's brilliant books, phenomenal book.

Chariot of the Gods.

I don't know, I can't remember.

Actually I got it and I've listened to it.

It's brilliant.

And obviously he's experienced a lot of anomalous phenomena and continues to experience it.

But there's other people out there that have claim that they've been abducted.

And I don't know if you've watched.

There's.

There's an Alien Shooters, Harry the Alien.

There's a show there on.

I don't know if it's Netflix or something.

It's absolutely hilarious.

But they've actually taken a lot of this phenomena of even a possessive state or an abduction or lights and various anomalies and things moving, and it kind of does replicate as what people would think would be a haunting.

So you have to ask yourself, are potentially hauntings not.

Or the anomalous phenomena, could it, could it be coming from UAPs, UFOs or this alien agenda?

Well, first of all, the show's called Resident Alien.

That's it.

I got Terrible Mind.

So this.

I'm just flying the wall, guys.

Like you're getting an insight like where we just talk and can't remember anything.

Yeah, that's hilarious by.

Have you seen it?

Resident Alien.

Oh, yeah.

As soon as it comes out, boy, I'M right there.

It's brilliant.

I didn't want to watch it.

Joel got absolutely hooked on it and was like, yeah, I'll go watch this.

It's hilarious.

And I'm like, nah, I'm just working away, writing an article as I normally do, or doing some research.

And I kept on doing this over the computer and then laughing, and I was like.

And then I got in there and I was gone.

Well, I tried to get my wife interested, and she.

She watched the first five minutes of the guy clowning around, and it's like, nope.

I honestly, it is hilarious.

Now, see, a show like that, right, has got anomalous phenomena that happens.

They've obviously did the research.

And then, of course, you've got other shows with Skinwalker where there's anomalous phenomena that happens.

Yeah.

So the thing about the reason we would even consider aliens is because, I mean, if you.

If you look in popular culture, telepathy is common in aliens.

That's absolutely.

That's just how we do this.

And the thing that comes along with telepathy is a very, very strong connection to a part of reality that normally is very subdued for us.

In other words, we have a lot of trouble piercing the veil, so to speak.

Yeah.

And we may be in contact with alien civilizations that don't have that problem.

They easily contact that beyond the veil, as we'll call it.

And so what looks to them to be normal is for us, a.

Either a spiritual or a very anomalous experience.

But for them, it's just.

That's how reality works.

So we can end up with this situation where we attribute supernatural things to what's actually an alien presence and them just doing their thing.

And this is where it would even, you know, sometimes in hauntings, you would, you know, you would ask, you know, psychological profiling of the individual.

And they're having any dreams, are they having any particular feelings and things?

And you see in some of these cases, and a lot of these abduction cases, there's an element of vivid dreaming.

There's an element of even a precognitive dream.

And again, that comes from what is claimed to be a telepathic connection from these beings.

And if you look at something like resident alien, you see, you know, the woman there, she go to sleep, and then all of a sudden she's dreaming and she's.

She's kind of then evicted out of her body.

You've got this whole OBE experience.

And all of this phenomena that we normally attribute to spiritual hauntings could actually just be this Alien agenda.

Well, that's interesting.

As you're, as you're talking, I'm remembering from the, for the New Age movement a long time ago.

This, we're talking like 90s.

So this is, this is a very long time ago.

But I remember having this discussion with some people that I thought was really interesting, which is that when you're in the presence of somebody who really is strongly telepathic, spiritual, what have you, you're going to pick up on it, there's going to be some bleed through.

So that if unless you're completely shut off to this sort of thing, their presence will help you experience it just for them being there.

In other words, we're talking about a field effect.

So just being within that field effect of having a connection with people who are super spiritual, suddenly that spiritual world is more clear to you.

Now this is something that people experienced during the New age movement was they'd have somebody come in that was, you know, very spiritual and everybody suddenly became a bit more clear because they were, they got, they had a connection to that person.

Now imagine if that spirituality was dialed up to 11 and now you're in contact with somebody.

This is way beyond what you normally encounter.

Yeah, there's going to be some supernatural stuff going on and you don't even have to see them.

There just has to be a connection.

It's interesting because in the work I've done over the years in mediumship and even when we are teaching the connection, I've always taught, my wife has taught, we taught in our church that it was a mind to mind connection.

We taught that it was a telepathic connection and that telepathy, which is something that.

We're going to jump in a lot more from the telepathy tapes.

We've got a whole big series coming up about that.

But this is kind of, this is interesting.

This is partly a haunting type experience as well.

We always used to teach or explain our students that the way that we communicate with spirit, the way that we communicate on the other side or the way that is a telepathic connection.

It's a mind to mind connection is what we would say.

And so a lot of this phenomena that you have from aliens or whatever you want to call them or label them.

And I mean I'm not really into this whole galactic, stellar, planetary, the whole consciousness is getting run by alien agent.

I'm very academic.

There has to be evidence, there has to be a pattern for it for me.

But there is a lot of telepathy.

There's a Lot of examples and a lot of the phenomena that happens from dreams, dream states, from them, even hearing voices, starting to communicate.

And so here's the other thing.

Are we pathologizing?

Does psychology, does psychiatry pathologize something that, that we would see as a haunting or a mystical experience wrongly, when it could actually be a UFO type alien presence?

You see, you hear a lot of these people that have seen, even seen UFOs and it's been loads and loads of TV shows.

I don't know if you, I can't remember some of the, some of the ones that I've watched recently, but TV shows where they will have an experience where they're viewing, they're viewing a particular UFO and they hear things or they feel like they get a connection, they feel like they're being downloaded information and it kind of makes sense.

And I think that's the same way if you look at the TV show on ancient aliens, they've covered that so many different ways that maybe we are ignorant to the fact that the real way to communicate is through this mind to mind, this telepathic ability and the.

We're like ancient civilization utilizing our vocal cords and our mouths.

You know, I have talked to people who, who claimed to have been like one woman was describing, she was sitting back in a hot tub and had this suddenly felt information just like coming from this alien presence that she had been in contact with.

And she just felt like I'm, you know, this is being downloaded, I just need to relax.

Yeah.

So yeah, I mean people have had these experiences.

See, I'm still skeptical of that though, unless it has evidence for me.

Is this because anybody can sit back, I'm getting downloaded information?

I've met people who have claimed they've got downloaded information from aliens or from angels and it doesn't add up.

And there's no evidence to it.

And anybody can say anything.

And this is the problem that we have in parapsychology and science is that we need something that we can measure.

There has to be an element of experience, lived experience, looking at how someone experiences.

But there has to be.

And this is where we're missing it out.

And so even with this UFO phenomena or even with these, these, these claims of downloads or what's happening in a haunting situation, there's needs to be a measure, there needs to be some kind of evidence.

For me, where so many people claim they're channeling.

So, and this is another episode, just channeling and trance for me are two different things.

And I can argue to the cows Come home.

Because when you've seen real trance and you see channeling, the channeling is just, it's not the same.

And so I would say people that keep saying they got downloads and this is another thing that drives me nuts is they hear continual ringing in their ears.

This might be a new age thing.

And the ringing in their ears, and they're getting spiritual downloads and there's this wisdom coming through.

And let's face it, it's tinnitus because I've got constant ringing in my ears and it's freaking tinnitus.

And I ain't getting any downloads from any aliens or angels or anything else.

And when I hear spirit, I hear it completely differently.

It's not a big whine.

So there has to be, we have to try and get to the bottom of trying to get some kind of measured, being able to measure the experiences, to be able to understand it better.

Well, from my standpoint, I have a slightly different take on that in that I view these experiences from an anthropological point of view, which is to say that I neither try to confirm or deny them.

I just kind of make a note, okay, this is what they said.

This is how this was for them.

Okay, thank you.

And I don't pass any judgment on it.

That's just it.

I'm terrible.

You're not going to, you're not going to be able to verify?

No, I mean, I accept it.

I don't, normally, I don't turn around and say to them like, that's crap.

Or, you know, I don't believe that.

But in my mind, it drives me nuts.

That's completely understandable.

I just, for my, for my part, I just, it's, it's, it's the area where I just kind of blank out and go, okay.

They say they have that experience.

Okay, that's fine.

And then that's as far as it goes.

I, I, I typically don't try to make anything of it because there's nothing, there's nothing done with it.

You know, when you have this sort of situation, you go, eventually you get to the point where you say, what am I going to do with this?

And the answer is nothing, Nothing, not a thing.

So there's no reason, there's no reason to pass judgment on it.

There's no reason to, to think about it anymore.

You just make a note of it and move on.

Maybe somebody else will say the same thing.

Maybe multiple people say that.

If enough say it, maybe there's something to it.

I think, here's the thing.

There are People then do have experiences and they do get these downloads.

But there is a pattern that is something that's there.

There seems to be a quality to, or you know, say qualia to the experience.

And there's probably warrants further investigation because what they're experiencing is like a jigsaw pattern.

It's starting to come together and there's a story, it's like a storyboard, there's something there.

And this is where I think that we need to kind of blend what we can measure and what we experience in some way of getting that type of thing.

Because it's all very well and good as just taking on board.

And yes, we can take these experiences on board, but also I think there's a danger to it because then it kind of leads people up a garden path and not the wrong, wrong sense of security, if you like, or misunderstanding things.

I think there has to be an element where, and this is perhaps maybe where we build bridges between parapsychology and materialist science, which we've tried for years and is very difficult to do.

It is.

And I think one of the problems of trying to get parapsychology in with the spiritual group is first of all, anybody with an ego that gets flattened.

Parapsychology flattens everybody's egos.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Because that, you know, parapsychology is where you actually have to have measurable results and talk just won't do it.

And you know, in any sort of spiritual environment there's a certain percentage of people who are ego driven.

Oh, massive.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah.

Sometimes it's a lot of them, sometimes it's a few, depending on the group.

But there are people who have massive egos and they, once you start measuring things, they shut up.

You know, it's interesting because I think as well is that we don't really, in parapsychology, we don't really look so much in UFO phenomena.

There's not a great deal about it.

We don't, you know, obviously we're measured.

You know, there's the psi experiences, mystical experience that we take on board.

But should there be an element of parapsychology that is focused primarily on anomalous phenomena from what is claimed a UFO experience?

Because even a near death experience, one could argue that that's even potentially controlled by some kind of UFO or UAP or whatever you have from it.

So we don't really have a lot of that in parapsychology.

There's not a great deal of it.

And I think.

Do you think it's Something that should be seriously taken on board.

Well, I mean, there is.

There is a bit of UAP work within parapsychology.

It kind of.

Yeah, it's not a lot, though.

Very little.

Yeah, there was a.

There was a parapsychology meeting that I attended where that was the focus of it.

They.

They were, they brought in somebody who was.

Who talked about their.

Their area with the UAPs.

But of course, with UAPs, you always run down to the.

You know, we have this picture of this.

We've got some video of that, but there's never the 100%.

Everybody's absolutely sure of it.

Smoking gun.

No, exactly.

That's part of the UAP process.

And I think part of this is that if you're using telepathy, they're relatively easy to contact.

I don't think anybody's ever had much trouble contacting the alien presence with telepathy.

I know people make a big deal about, oh, they're contacting me.

But my opinion is that doesn't seem to be very unusual or difficult, that they probably always got somebody on the switchboard just waiting for somebody to contact them, and they say, hey, we're here.

I have in my mind's eye now, like, I'm seeing these two aliens in a spaceship, you know, talking in this alien language, going, yeah, there's one of them down there.

They're trying to put a thought out.

Let's tune in.

Let's see what they want, you know.

Yeah, I actually think that there's some of that going on.

I do as well.

You put a signal out there.

Yeah.

I mean, have you ever, have you ever seen.

Have you ever seen a UAP or ufo?

I have not.

But if I reach out telepathically, they're there.

They're just, like, waiting, like, hey, hello.

And I've come to the conclusion that, you know, they're there.

How do I know it's an alien presence?

It's really interesting because with telepathy, one of the things about it is when you connect with another person, you get all of them.

You get the.

The whole person.

When you connect with somebody, you don't just get, like, a thought like, here I am, let's talk about physics or something.

You get all of their personality there, including all their fears and everything else.

And so people.

So within our area, within humans, we all have a certain type of makeup that always has a certain amount of fear running in the background.

Everybody.

We've all got fears going back and forth.

You connect with one of them and that's gone.

You.

You get this presence that just feels to us like they're clear as a bell.

There's.

There's none of the drama going on in the background and that's.

That.

That is a difference that.

That's really, really visible when you connect that way.

So this is.

This is something for me internally that I pick up.

There's no way that I could share that with somebody or communicate it any other way.

But that's how.

That's how I personally know.

It's this.

There's no fear there.

Have you had personal telepathic experiences yourself?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like I said, I don't think they're that unusual or difficult.

I know, I know from me and Joe, we've had loads.

We've had loads of telepathic experience and I think every medium they're worth, you know, their salt.

Is that how they're communicating essentially, is telepathically?

Yeah, it's nothing special.

No.

You know, we've got these kids from the telepathy project that are telepathy tapes that are just off the charts.

But the actual telepathy itself, that's not.

That's not that unusual.

Their.

Their ability to manage.

Manage it clearly is.

Is unusual.

But the fact that it exists, it's out there all the time.

We're always picking up and sending thoughts constantly.

We're like these huge receivers and senders all the time.

So it's not that unusual.

You know, that's.

And that's the thing where in terms of any particular hauntings or any of these anomalous experiences, perhaps there is an answer to be found in telepathy to the anomalous experiences that happens because there seems to be a great deal of that and it goes way beyond the Zener cards and goes way beyond kind of your telepathic games and things like that.

I think there's a lot more to it.

And it's interesting with Rupert Sheldrake's experiences, with his research.

And I mean, we're.

Okay, we're kind of jumping off of what we.

Obviously, the haunting side of things.

But it is.

It is so interesting that what we think is unusual is fairly normal.

And a lot of hauntings or a lot of anomalous phenomena could be put down to alien agenda, alien communication.

And also it makes you think that even in our communications, in our dream states could be telepathically linked, some of these.

And we're going to do a big series on telepathy tapes.

We've got lots of different discussions that we're going to have on there.

But I don't think we're too far away from.

I think there's an important scientific.

Actually thinking about it.

There's actually a big scientific blunder, really, when it comes to it, because we've argued for years and years about telepathy and different anomalous experiences, yet it's really our natural.

Is really our natural form.

It's our natural way of being.

Yeah, it is.

And you know, when they do.

When we do testing on that, of course, what this comes out as is that the psychics and the skit and the skeptics, I'm sorry, the believers and the skeptics are all psychic.

They just manifest it in different ways that you've got you.

You've got the people who are psychic hitting their targets, and you've got the skeptics missing them.

And you can plot this on a graph which looks nothing like random noise because you've got one.

One group.

Well, skeptics are a lot of random noise.

Well, yeah, yeah, I can't argue with that.

But you've got these people hitting, you know, hitting their targets, and you've got to skip hitting their targets to a significant degree.

And you've got skeptics missing their targets to a significant degree.

So everybody's psychic there.

Everybody's.

It's just they're.

They're putting it out differently.

And to a certain extent, they're canceling each other out, which suggests that there's a.

You know, there's a greater system going on there.

Rather than just people in general, you know, rather just individuals, we're actually forming larger groups.

And when it comes to stuff like.

Like hauntings and whatnot, the larger group can actually be directing, have certain members of it who are better at connecting to hauntings, which may be a survival thing.

Who knows?

And what way.

What do you mean?

Explain that in.

In terms of the hunting.

So if you have people that form groups, let's say a tribe, that tribe will generally have a whole bunch of different.

Different personalities within the tribe.

And if you go to another tribe, they'll also have a whole bunch of different personalities, and they'll all kind of come out to the same types of groupings where you've got people.

You don't end up with a tribe where everybody's good at one thing.

You end up with a tribe where people kind of spread out and have different personalities and different skills and different abilities, different ways of thinking, and the combination of those makes a good tribe when that's.

That's more likely to be successful.

So just at the fringe of the tribe, about 1 or 2% of the people will be able to sense hauntings and dark places and whatnot and away from them.

Oh, yeah, I think everybody, like everybody.

Well, I've always said everybody has, has a sensitivity.

Yeah, but, but, and some people have it more.

It's like, it's like some people can play Chopsticks on the piano, but another person can play Bach's symphony.

Yeah.

What I'm asking here is to look at this as a tribe that not everybody needs to be sensitive in a tribe, you just need a few people who are sensitive and everybody else needs to believe them.

The problem is, though, is they don't.

And this is, this is.

And it's interesting because I don't want to jump on because as I said, we've got a big series on a bit in part the telepathy tape.

They talk about.

A prerequisite is the belief in them and the belief in these kids because it allows it, you know, and have it.

And that's true.

I mean, really, even if you're developing mediumship, developing psychic ability, there's an element where you have to know you can do it and be unequivocal with it.

Instead, the minute you question it kind of deteriorates the, the, the potential hit rate or the, your ability because you can, it's like imposter syndrome.

You can have a skill, but then you, you falter a little bit.

I've been there myself, you know, where I've, you know, I've had a really good day.

You know, I'm sitting down and if I'm doing a sitting with someone and I feel strong and belief and knowing and everything else and it's, you know, everything works fine.

But there's these times where if you falter a little bit, you have a little bit question or you don't believe in yourself or you're having a bad day, then it detracts from it.

So I get what you're saying.

And a lot of these, you know, this is what you need this in the tribe.

But if you've got people in there that are not believing in them, then obviously it's going to affect them.

And this is an important aspect of it is where does belief and knowing come in to any type of phenomena?

Well, it's a, it's a good question.

And I think, you know, I'm gonna beat this tribe thing to death here.

So we used to live in smaller tribes of about 100.

Hey, we have a PDN tribe.

Right.

And when you have an environment like that where everybody's grown up together, then, yeah, you, you have time.

Everybody has a chance to learn how to trust everybody else.

Yeah.

And including the people with the psychic skills, which, as I said, they're about 1 or 2% of any.

Any given tribe, you'll have these spiritual people.

And so the tribe itself supports them from negativity so that they can get their work done.

And so when we're having modern society, we don't have that anymore.

Do you know actually where.

Where we've had.

If anybody's read my first book, Powers of the Sixth Sense, I actually talk about this a little bit because we talk about intuition and psychic ability and how, you know, nine, 11 people pick things up, you know.

But what I found there was many different because I'm ex military, you can see here's my unit, there's a lot of.

And it's interesting you talk about a tribe, right, because in the military, in your barracks or in your unit, it is like a tribe.

It's like a tribe.

And the people have different experiences, people have different skills and everything else.

But interestingly, there's a lot of examples of soldiers in battle that almost pick up telepathic messages and telepathic knowings.

I spoke once to Sergeant Major who was in a war zone in Iraq, and he.

He heard a voice, so a telepathic connection that told him not to go down that.

And if he'd have went down that route, he was going to get ambushed.

And it was all hell with break loose, same as people.

I've talked to operators in Northern Ireland and Kosovo and places that.

Where they're not necessarily claiming that they're psychic or anything else, but in the heat of that battle, there's that tribal where people are trusting.

I don't know what it is, but they kind of believe in that leadership or they believe in them.

The unit is so tight, it's like you're saying it's tribal.

And there seems to be a heightened ability that they can pick up telepathic information that's potentially saving their life.

And that's essentially what my first book, Kingdom, was about, Powers of the Sixth Sense.

Not that I'm trying to sell my book on PDN or anything, but, you know, Craig and I have both written books.

We keep talking over each, over each other.

That has all the elements.

Yeah.

What you need for a psychic experience, which is heightened emotion and a great need.

Need is.

Is important for psychic ability to pop through, particularly you Know, we have all our filters in place normally where we're suppressing it so that we can get along with our lives.

But when it needs to come through, need is an important aspect of it.

When you need it, not just when you want it, but when you need it badly, it tends to be there for you.

But then there's people that don't need it but can switch it on.

Yeah, but for most people, most of the time, yeah, that's how you get the volume.

That's how you get the game on psychic ability and get it past the filters is need.

You know, it's interesting as well because I also think what is needed to develop it is silence.

And that was never, and I've said this for years, and that has never been truer since obviously listening to Kai talking in the telepathy tapes.

Where was it?

John Paul, was it One of the kids had been had, had to go into silent.

They had to put the pillows and everything over the head and have total silence.

I remember turning around to Joe and says, this is what we need for to have telepathic connection with loved ones.

We need to heighten psychic ability.

We need silence.

And it's interesting because in the Gansfield experiences, right, it's not necessarily silence because they play that, you know, they play white noise or the, you know, that, that, that would you call it the hip, whatever the frequency that goes over, but essentially is sensory deprivation.

And so, and this is what we've always said is that in developing mediumship, development, psychic ability, there has to be an element where you go into the silence and that's where the power exists.

Yeah.

And this has, as I brought up in a previous article, that you'll get.

You need to quiet certain parts of your brain, most of them on the left side for the, for that part of your brain to, to get working, you need to be shutting off other parts.

So the.

From, from, from brain scans, what they get is that psychic ability is not lighting up the whole brain.

It's specific portions have to be lit and other portions have to dampen down.

And when you get the right mix there, then you get relatively strong psychic ability.

Do you think?

I know there's been examples of this going back to the whole idea of, of hauntings and potential UFO and anomalous phenomena from ufo.

Do you think that someone who's experienced a potential UFO contact or abduction or comes back with her heightened abilities.

It's entirely plausible.

And the reason is because if you are in the presence of somebody who is forcing your brain to do things differently.

In other words, you're basically learning something new and you're having this experience that you can't turn off, that your filters aren't working.

And you get past the point where you're fighting it, which I think is what happens with these experiences.

You get past the point where you're fighting against it and you begin to accept it.

Then your brain has basically wired itself to be able to do this.

Now it knows what the pattern is in your mind, in the brain itself, the gray matter that it's learned the pattern of how to do this.

And so once it ends it.

For example, let's say it's like riding a bike.

Well, once you get done with the experience, now you know how to ride the bike, that kind of thing.

See, I, I look at it a little bit differently where.

Okay, I don't reckon it comes from the brain and a lot of neuroscientists and they're going to freaking hit me for this.

But I believe the brain is an expression of the mind.

It is a receiver.

And so I believe that our mind as the psychological building blocks of our reality.

From formlessness we come form.

And so our connection or power or psychic capacity exists there.

And that from that the brain is then the receiver.

I don't think I could be wrong, but I feel that really or innate power comes from our mind.

Which is why in telepathy with mind to mind connection.

Because there's been examples as well where there hasn't been a brain yet.

Communication has existed and phenomena or experience has existed from this.

So I kind of am more drawn towards it's the mind.

And then the brain becomes the receiver.

It's an expression of that.

And so I don't believe our psychic ability exists in the brain.

I think it's allowed, it's just an expression.

So I would agree with that.

But no shit, I thought you were going to come back to me.

I agree, but the brain is a receiver.

But you have to tune the receiver.

Yeah, you do.

But I still believe that the mind is the tuning forks.

So you have the mind that's coming through the brain.

The brain is the filter.

You have to.

Filter?

Yeah, it's filtered.

It's receiving, it's filtered.

But I think you know, and that's where it's, It's.

There's some tuning that has to happen.

You have to get.

But here's the thing.

Let's say I'm communicating.

I'm giving a reading for someone.

I'm giving a sitting for someone.

And I'M starting, and this is interesting, right.

And I start to communicate.

I believe that I'm having that mind to mind telepathic connection, whereas it's not essentially my brain might get in the way and be the filter that then if I connect into that, I may distort a message.

So I need to be able to distribute, discern.

And I may have a bypass.

I need to bypass it or that way because I don't, I essentially think about it.

I don't want the brain to get involved because I want to have clear, clean and concise communication from the mind to mind connection.

So I see the brain as a sieve.

That can be problematical.

Okay.

But remember when you're doing this and you're trying to get in the right frame of mind, you have specific neural connections that are happening in order for this tuning to work properly, which means you have to.

So what about the people that don't have the brain and can tune in?

Look at Ian Gilchrist Research.

Dr. Ian Gilchrist.

So I mean, split brain phenomena.

I don't know what happens with edge cases, but most of us have brains.

Is it apart from skeptics?

No, I'm only joking.

We don't.

We don't.

We know I put them down too much, but you know.

Yeah.

Have you ever ate brains?

I kind of never digressing.

Okay.

There are definitely edge cases where something different is going on.

Yeah.

Because the mind is, is more than the brain.

However, for most of us, most of the time we have to use what we're.

We have to use regular brain, which means we have to wire it properly in order for these experiences to occur.

Yeah, I get it and I do, and I accept it to a point, but I'm still erring towards this whole aspect of the mind.

But again, that's the exciting thing because for me as well, it's that big question.

From formlessness we became form.

And so from nothing we became something.

And yet I know that then the communications that we have on the other side, be it alien communication, be it spirit communication, be it activity within a haunting experience that comes from there.

There is no brain involved.

Right.

And intelligent communications comes from where there's no brain.

And yes, I can see that we have a brain and we felt.

This is going.

We're getting.

We could be on here for hours.

This is what happens, ladies and gentlemen.

Craig and I get into it, we have an idea and then we just.

We're on all different things in subject matter.

So God knows what we're going to title this Episode Rabbit hole.

This is the pdn Rabbit hole is what I'm thinking.

Yeah, that's about right.

It is, it is, it is.

It's phenomenal.

But you know, it is, it is.

I find it fascinating and I still have that I'd have met, you know, when I was doing my, still in, I mean, final dissertation year in my masters.

But when we get to the cognitive neuroscience and all that kind of stuff, I fought against this whole idea of everything coming from the brain.

It was so hard for me from these experiences because people that have near death experiences that have died and necessarily the brain is not activating yet.

There's evidence, there's a trail, there's phenomena, there's experience.

Yeah.

So this is where I think we need phenomenological and epistemological.

We need to blend everything in parapsychology and bring an element of transpersonal parapsychology together because there's so much we don't understand about the brain and the mind.

I still obviously believe the mind is an expression.

The brain is an expression of the mind.

Sorry.

Well, I mean, I would certainly agree with that.

The, all the evidence points to consciousness.

Consciousness being the fundamental thing that drives the universe, not, not the material world.

In other words, the universe is more like a giant thought, less like a giant machine.

So if you're using that model, then the brain is a filter.

Yeah.

And so you.

But it is not the creator of consciousness.

So a tv, for example, is not the creator of the picture on the screen.

All it's doing is it's filtering signals.

Filtering a signal.

Same within the military with the radio waves and things like that.

We're filtering a signal.

Yeah.

So you have to tune the tv.

The TV has to function properly for you to be able to interpret the signal, but it's not the creator of the signal.

And you know, as soon as we leave the bodies with, you know, near death experiences and whatnot, we experience reality completely differently.

Yeah, I had a near death experience and reality was completely just this.

And yeah, it's very strange.

And, and that's, that's another, another conversation.

Well, listen guys, we've come up, you know, 45 minutes up to nearly an hour.

So we're, we started off on Hortons part two.

God knows what.

We're gonna, you know, talk about this.

But we've, we've got so much king and I enjoy having these conversations.

So you're having a fly in the wall.

Look at how some things we go from one end of the road to the other, which can be very entertaining.

But I'm going to finish off with this because I think maybe we can share a little story.

Have you.

Have you ever.

Have you ever seen objectively a ghost?

Have I?

Yeah.

No, I have not.

Something about me just.

It's.

It's not.

I'm not one of the haunted people is referred to in the book Ghosted.

That's.

That's not me.

I'm on Planet Practical.

The.

The world doesn't seem to be all that strange for me.

I have.

And so did.

And so did my wife.

And I'll tell you a little story.

It was really weird.

We were at friend's house and just outside Inverness from.

We used to live in a place called Abriachen and we were going down for.

For dinner and Sherlyn Ian's house and Joe and I went there for dinner one evening.

We're coming back and you can just imagine this from the Scottish Highlands.

And it's misty and it's dark and there's moonlight coming through.

And Joe and I were driving down the road.

I was driving the car at the time and all of a sudden I see this figure and Joe sees at the same time steps out.

I hit the brakes and it's gone totally.

The interesting thing was that there had been a car accident.

We found this later on when we investigated that actually been a cat.

There'd been a death on that road.

And so what we explained as a ghost or we saw it objectively, both of us at the exact same time.

She saw it, I saw it, slammed on the brakes, there was nothing there.

Wow.

Yes.

We shall leave you with that story, ladies and gentlemen.

And if you've got any stories that you want to share with us on Deadly Departed, maybe Craig and I will get you on for a discussion because we're easy.

If you've had a ghost story and you want to tell us, we're not going to get you on and go run the whole parapsychology.

We're just going to listen to your story.

That would be interesting.

But of course, if you've got any questions for us on Telepathy, anything else.

As I say, Craig and I, we've got loads of stuff coming up from the Telepathy tapes.

We're going to have the whole series on the Telepathy, which you're really excited about.

And then we'll have some people that have been involved in it on our show as well.

It will be chatting to them.

Craig's working on some articles and things at the moment.

I'm Also going to be working on a few things.

But also we're not experts in UFO stuff.

Right.

Craig and I are the first people to hold our hands up.

We don't, you know, so if any out there are experts and you know, you, you've written books or you would maybe like to join us in PDN and become a UFO UAP expert then, then we would love to talk to you and, and have you on board with us because we can only talk about it from our experiences, from what we know, which is very little.

And we would certainly love to, to have you guys on board.

And just remember as well, guys, you can come and join us in our very private community.

Some great, very high, highly respected parapsychologists and experts on there for conversations.

We've got some master classes that are coming up very soon as well.

Lots of things happening as PDN develops, as our journal develops, as PDN books comes out.

We'd love to get you all involved.

So Craig, this was somewhat interesting.

We went from one one experience to another.

Started off on UFOs, went through telepathy and ended up on a ghost story.

That works for me.

So guys, join us again.

Craig and I, we've got some other, you know, if you've listened to this and you haven't listened to Craig and I on other episodes then please go and do that.

Also catch up on the episode that I just did with Matt Colburn.

Great.

We did.

There's a three part of the work and stuff.

Matt Colburn, someone that I studied with as well at university.

Phenomenal book, great book.

And we've got lots of people coming up.

Also we have one announcement and this is something Craig and I have been worked on for quite a while.

Dr. Barry Taf, who is as a world renowned parrot, was leading parapsychologist, was well known back in the day.

We have finally Craig and I have signed as well as Lloyd over by.

We have got an agreement with Dr. Baritaf.

We will be keeping in Paranormal Daily News.

We will be keeping his, his legacy running.

We will be publishing all of his stuff from the past in Paranormal Daily News.

So there is lots and lots and lots of research.

There's lots of stories.

He was involved in the entity case.

There's so much involved that we will be keeping that legacy alive and also republishing his books within pdn.

Yeah, should be exciting.

Well, that's been something we have been working on for a while actually and we're glad to have Barry involved with us in PDN as well.

So Anything else you want to add, Craig, to finishing off?

It's, it's interesting.

Barry apparently kept really good notes during his time.

So what?

He was basically a poltergeist investigator in the greater Los Angeles area for decades.

And, and so he ended up finding some of them and kept very good notes on them and has many stories from that.

So that's, that'll be very interesting to.

To go through his notes.

They at one point look like they were completely lost.

And I'm happy to hear that he's in possession of them.

Yeah.

And we shall be getting these published and indexed and out there and for everybody to enjoy.

So thank you guys once again.

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