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American Psycho Review aka "Tip to Screen"
Episode 25 • 3rd July 2024 • Films in Black and White • Doug Wagner, Marcus Destin, and Bryan Roush
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Hit it.

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It's 805.

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Just hit it.

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DJ, spin that shit.

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Welcome to Films of Black

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and White everybody!

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Happy Independence Day.

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Now you gotta pick between

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your Juneteenth episode or

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our July 4th episode.

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Those were the last two.

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That's quite the turn.

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American Psycho being the

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July 4th episode makes me so happy.

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I am over the moon.

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Good one.

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um if you're not watching

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the live stream highly

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encourage you do my

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favorite moments for that

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are catching clips of brian

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that I don't remember like

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there's a clip of brian

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with his old wallpaper like

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dancing like this and I

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want to know what episode

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is that from when did that

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happen because the

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wallpaper makes it so much

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better yeah um is it in the intro

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Yeah,

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that's definitely an episode where we

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were celebrating something.

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Or maybe it was just a regular intro.

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Because sometimes Brian

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dances before we had the clip intros.

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It was just like right into it.

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I want to say it might have

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been the 100th.

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It might have been.

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I could also imagine it

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being that movie Fresh, Brian.

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oh oh yeah the same sort of

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dance that and it so I

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could always see that the

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movie that finally got

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britney to be like no I'm

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not watching the movie I'm

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not watching with no I'm

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surprised I haven't gotten

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to that point you haven't

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you've been lucky so far so yeah um

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But, gentlemen, and everybody listening,

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we have a great episode.

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We asked our Patty family to

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pick the movie this week.

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Yes.

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And they picked the 2000s

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American Psycho starring Christian Bale.

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And so we are going to get

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into that later.

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There's also some other news

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that we're going to –

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talk about, too, here and there.

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But we've got a full episode.

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We've got a full whole stack

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to get through.

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So, in order to do this well,

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in order to do it right,

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I've got to make sure

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everybody is thoroughly

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welcomed and introed and

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brought into this space.

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I'm going to kick it on over

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to Brian Rausch.

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Brian, how are you feeling, sir?

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Man, I went on a rollercoaster today,

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so I'm very happy to be

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here because I feel like

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I'm going to even out.

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I know for the next two

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hours it's going to be enjoyable, so...

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very very excited to be here

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um I unexpectedly did not

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have child care today so I

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had to call off work which

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is like okay cool but then

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it's like it's just me and

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these three kids it is go

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go go so that was like my

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morning and then I had to

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attend a wake uh for for a

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neighbor that passed away so that like

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changed the mood a bit um

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yeah but now I'm here and

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I'm feeling the good vibes

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so I'm good it's good to be

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here it's good to be with

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my guys also like on a

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short week on a short work

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week yeah yeah uh yeah very

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very excited to talk about

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american psycho as well because

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I watched this alone at 11

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PM on Saturday night.

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And I just kind of was alone

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by myself with my thoughts

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after it ended.

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And that's why,

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that's why I have my Chiron

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as the post movie cartoon.

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Cause I had to flip on

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Simpsons after this or something to like,

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Get my brain in the right

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space to fall asleep.

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Yep, I get that.

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Brian,

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you were like the weekend in that

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Super Bowl spot where he

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was turning those mirrored corners.

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Not quite sure what he was

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going to come up on next.

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Hilarious.

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It's the toys and there's a mess.

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Oh God, it's awake.

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You just were all over the place.

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Pretty much.

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Day off of work.

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All right.

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Three kids.

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Yeah, exactly.

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The head waiter from the movie Casablanca.

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Two-day work week.

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I'm with you, Roman.

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Shout out to the short work week.

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You know what I think I

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figured out here just from

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conversations with Roman?

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Shout out to Roman Myers.

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Great guy.

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He's a big part of our Patreon,

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our Patty family.

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If you hear us talking about

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him throughout the episode,

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it's because they,

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we have him or others

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joining us in the comments.

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So when we stop to read

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random comments or get

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stopped in our tracks and

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don't read random comments,

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because that would be, you know,

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risky to do on air.

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That's why also, I also figured out.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Head writer from the movie Casablanca.

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Roman Myers is a great,

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he's a super great guy.

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I also think that there

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Roman may or may not be using like the

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nicknames to cover himself

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from maybe his family or his job?

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Because I got a weird

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message from him the other day of like,

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yeah, I can't let

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people know because of some

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of the things that are said.

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So I don't know if we're

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supposed to be like calling them out,

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like reading the nickname

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and then going straight into, hey, blah,

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blah, blah, blah, a.k.a.

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Roman Myers.

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They don't watch this.

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They don't watch this.

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That makes me feel a lot better.

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Don't worry about it, man.

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Actually, yeah, no, I hate that.

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Yeah, for sure.

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Fuck me.

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Yeah, keep going.

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But Marcus J. Destin, good transition.

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Marcus J. Destin, aka,

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this is my black job.

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How you feeling, sir?

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This is my black job.

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This is one-third a black-owned business.

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That's right.

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He's absolutely right.

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This is truthful.

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I didn't know how else to

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split it and break it down, but

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No, I'm feeling good.

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You know, it was a hell of a Monday.

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We're in July for those

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working in higher ed.

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Yeah, you're in July.

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Good gracious from on high.

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So, like, it's going to get pretty crazy.

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But it's going to get weird, everybody.

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Yeah, feeling good, though.

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I'm here with my guys.

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I'm in the same boat as Brian.

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Ready to just fucking be

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here and fucking party, dude.

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Yeah.

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Very excited.

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What about you, Doug?

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How are you?

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Uh, doing well, had a good weekend.

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Uh,

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went out and about with some friends on

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Saturday, uh, which was a lot of fun.

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So that was a blast to did

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that with what spent some

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time with Marcus and, uh, Megan,

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Richard Shaw and John little.

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So shout out to those two.

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So, which was a lot of fun.

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Um,

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And then other than that,

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it's just been sort of like

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getting ready.

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We're going to travel this

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week to go see family for the fourth.

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So just gearing up for that.

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And then, yeah, it's July.

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So it's going to be kind of a sprint.

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I have a conference.

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Then I'm going to cabin and

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I have a week and then I

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got to travel again.

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So it's just like it's July.

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So like I'm just like in it,

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which is which is really, really great.

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So the weather's been nice.

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So, I mean, it's hard to argue with that.

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I mean, it was like 75 and sunny.

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So, yeah, it was great.

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Phenomenal.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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But gentlemen,

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we have a whole episode to get to.

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So I and we need to put a

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game we call Catch That Quotable.

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Catch that quotable.

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Silky sounds of Marcus J. Gentlemen,

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are you ready for this week's quote?

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Hit me.

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All right.

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Hit me.

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I've got to go, Julia.

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We got cows.

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I know this.

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I will buzz in full confidence.

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100%.

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This is Twister.

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This is absolutely Twister.

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Maggie, if you're watching,

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be proud of me.

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This is one of her favorite movies.

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It's an easy one.

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Don't say that because we got it, Roman.

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You know what I mean?

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Sometimes we just got that

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shit because we know movies.

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We do know some movies.

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Not a lot of them.

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We know more than most is

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what I'm realizing.

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We know more movies.

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That's true.

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That's very true.

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Yeah, for sure.

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But an $80,

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so we're going to announce that charity.

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We're very close.

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All right.

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I got to start researching non-profit.

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You got to get on your non-profit bank.

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Remember,

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the next one is going to a

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domestic violence, and we want to match.

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I blanked on that.

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Yes,

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it will be an organization related to

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domestic violence.

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I want to be a man of my word.

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Thank you, everybody.

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Absolutely.

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We got your back.

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Absolutely.

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But gentlemen,

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before we get into American Psycho,

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you all have some news

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pieces because you all did

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a good job of doing homework.

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I did not.

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So what do you all have to chat about?

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Dealer's choice on who goes first.

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Brian, you want to go first?

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Yeah, I'll go first.

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And it's I'm going to be

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honest with you folks that

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you've heard this one before.

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And it's because I just

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really like dunking on

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Paramount because they've

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made such a large series of

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poor decisions in such a

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short amount of time.

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It's just fascinating to me.

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So you're probably like,

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what did Paramount do this time, Brian?

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Well, I'm here to tell you, Paramount.

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plus back at it again

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they're trying to find

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another dance partner to

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merge their streaming

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service with and according

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to cnbc that streaming

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service is max so nice if

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you like max and you're

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like you know what I kind

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of want some spongebob on

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here well you're in luck so

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right now according to cnbc

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there are active talks between wb

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And Paramount about merging

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those services and analysis

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is all over the place.

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It's about I'd say it's

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about a 50 50 chance of

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this actually happens.

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And a lot of folks are

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saying that if they were to

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go into a deal together,

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the profits would not be split evenly.

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It's very clearly it's

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something that would be

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good for Paramount Plus to

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get their their products

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out in front of more people

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in a better delivery system,

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essentially with a wider net.

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And on top of it, they would get more.

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They're basically like,

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we'll have more exposure.

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That sounds great.

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This at the same time.

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Now,

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there is a new suitor that would like

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to buy Paramount.

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He goes by the name Barry Diller.

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If you don't know who that is, that's OK.

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He was the CEO of the

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Paramount Corporation in

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the 70s and the 80s.

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His big claim to fame is

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that when he was at the helm,

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Laverne and Shirley, Taxi, Cheers,

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and Grease,

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as well as Raiders of the Lost Ark.

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So we got some hits in here.

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But those were his big

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claims to fame when he was

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running Paramount.

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So this guy who ran it in

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the 80s is now trying to buy Paramount.

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I was just going to say, what was it,

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1978?

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Yeah, pretty much.

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His last hit before he left

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the studio was Beverly Hills Cop in 1984.

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Okay.

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The first week?

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The original Beverly Hills Cop?

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The original Beverly Hills Cop.

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So he's been out of the game a little bit.

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Obviously,

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he's been doing stuff in between then.

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But that is who is trying to

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make a bid for Paramount now.

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So Paramount, they're going through it.

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They're raising prices.

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They're trying to find a

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partner to stream with.

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And now they have somebody

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new who's trying to buy them out.

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After the other deal fell

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through with Skydance.

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So Paramount going through it right now.

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I envision.

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A short balding white man.

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With really big glasses.

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Who smokes a lot of cigars.

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Who's going to walk up and say.

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You know what the kids want these days.

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And he's got like.

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That's exactly.

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That's who he is.

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That's Barry.

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And Barry is going to be like.

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They want more sitcoms.

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Doug, you're not far off.

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This is the picture of him at the Met.

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I don't have a date.

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We're looking at a picture

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of a white guy in a tux.

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That's it for me.

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Good night, everybody.

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White Nostradamus.

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How did you do that?

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That's crazy.

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Yeah, he's got the white hair on his eyes.

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Those cigars might have been

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already white.

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I don't know why I called them white.

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Yeah,

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all he needs is the cigar Doug's

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talking about.

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You know what?

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He definitely has his reading glasses.

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And he has a painting of

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dogs playing poker in his office.

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Oh, yeah.

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That's all I need to know.

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That's all I need to know.

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Say no more.

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Bob Iger,

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as soon as I found out he had

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those newspaper clippings

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in his bathroom.

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I knew.

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I'm the Ike.

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I'm the Ike.

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Double shower day.

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Cancel all my five feet.

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I'm the big, I'm the B-I-G.

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Bye-bye, girl.

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I'm the notorious B-I-G.

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It's me.

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It's me.

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Wow.

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Well, Brian, and here's the thing.

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I almost wonder if Max would

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have too much stuff on it.

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You know what I mean?

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At some point in time,

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you're going to get to

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decision fatigue and it's

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going to defeat the purpose.

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It's going to be so much

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stuff that you walk away from it.

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Netflix is good enough.

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You can see your highlights

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well enough and they have a

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user interface that works.

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Max's isn't that great.

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They're going to have to figure that out.

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I think...

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So I'll kind of play devil's

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advocate here.

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I don't think Max's is that bad.

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You have to scroll down a

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bit to get to the point

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where you can pick the icons,

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but Max's interface has

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never been like it's

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going thing for itself like

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it's user it's not like I

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think disney plus has the

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easiest for me it's like

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everything that all the

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things that were separated

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into even hulu they've just

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added hulu and gave it a

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nice little cool intro at

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the top of disney plus now

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so like that incorporation

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seemed kind of like

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flawless and seamless they

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even changed their branding

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to kind of be that hue of

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green to kind of show the

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combination of everything

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yep I don't think max you

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do got to go down a little

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bit far but I don't think

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it's terrible but it is a

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lot of shit on there

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I mean,

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I would think like because Netflix

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and Disney Plus have it so

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easy to see like the things

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that you were recently watching.

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And it's just kind of like

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they've made them very

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small on Max's display that

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I feel like it would be

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hard for me to get back to

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the things that I like.

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So anyway, I agree.

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I do want to say that I feel

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like Max's philosophy here is like.

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It reminds me of like the

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giant tabloid newspapers back in the day.

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I don't see him as much anymore, but like,

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it would be like bat boy or whatever.

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And it's like, Whoa,

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that guy looks like a bad on the cover.

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And I feel like with Max, it's like, Hey,

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do you like house of dragon?

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And that's just the entire splash page.

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And you're like,

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I do, and they're like, great,

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just click this thing.

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And you're like, okay,

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but if you want to say like, hey,

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I'd like to find the

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original Wonder Woman, it's like,

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you better keep tabbing, buddy.

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Fucking grab a shovel, bud,

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because you've got to get

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through some stuff.

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You're going way past the rest.

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You're definitely not

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finding Wonder Woman on that, so yeah,

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I actually contribute to that.

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I did.

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I contradicted myself a little bit.

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I have a question for Doug

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whenever Brian's doing his thing.

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Go ahead.

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Go ahead.

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So, Doug,

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we didn't read your nickname this week,

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your AKA.

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It's Doug Hoodie and the Blowfish.

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What's happening there?

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Can you tell us a little bit

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about what that's about?

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Okay,

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so I went out with Marcus and other

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folks on Thursday,

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and I don't think they're

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going to invite me back.

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Here's the thing.

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I was laughing so hard.

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Brian, my eyelids hurt.

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That's how hard I was laughing, Doug.

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So we went to CC's to start.

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Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait.

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I always like to protect my white friend,

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right?

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Doug is a good white friend of mine.

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Right.

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And I feel like this might

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be setting you up for failure.

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No, no, no, no.

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Because it was a genuine mistake.

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No, no, no.

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Oh,

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you're not telling the part that I said.

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No,

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I'm going to say that part because

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that's what made me laugh.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Keep going.

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And that's what I can't stop

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thinking about.

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So anyway, so I don't know.

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I had a I had a THC seltzer

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with my dinner.

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I obtained it legally

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because it's sold by the establishment.

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So there's that.

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And then we had dinner and

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we're sitting there and a

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song came on and I can't

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remember what it was.

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No,

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we were talking because Marcus is going

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to DJ a wedding,

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but the wedding is going to

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have a lot of like 90s country.

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So I'm very excited to see

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him a part of that scene.

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Hope you like Toby Keith.

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Yep.

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I actually do like Toby.

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Oh, okay.

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I listen to a lot of different stuff.

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But anyway,

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what's funny is some of us are like, yeah,

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you can't even do...

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God, hoodie in the blowfish.

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I fucking did it again.

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You can't even say hoodie in the blowfish.

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And then I said, like, yeah,

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I looked at I looked at Marcus and I went,

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yeah, hoodie and the blowfish.

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But right when I said hoodie, my eyes,

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Brian, went like, like, oh, no,

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like super wide.

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And of course, I'm a little high.

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So I start like laughing like.

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Marcus starts laughing.

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He goes, is that a Trayvon Martin joke?

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And that's when I lost it.

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That's when my eyes closed

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and I was in tears.

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I was laughing so hard and I still Brian,

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I lied down.

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yesterday and thought about

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that moment and laughed at

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myself still it is so funny

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it's it's okay so let me

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explain this because it

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probably doesn't sound as

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great okay listen it's so

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funny it was because okay

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wait stop saying it's funny

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okay because listen it's it

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this is why it came out

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that way it was such a

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quick reaction from me not laughing at

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the Trayvon Martin incident at all.

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We were talking about

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hoodies and like everybody

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can wear a hoodie,

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everybody can like put on a

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hoodie and things like that.

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It was like,

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he looked at me with all the

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confidence and said the word hoodie.

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I made the comment back to

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make him feel white guilt.

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And so that is why.

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He started laughing and

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that's what happened.

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Everybody do not cancel Doug.

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It was, yes, that's just what happened.

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I knew that.

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I'm not laughing at that incident.

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That incident is horrible.

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This like five, not even five seconds.

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It was like five milliseconds.

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It was like so quick.

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Cause I said it.

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And right when it left my mouth,

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I was like, Nope, Doug, that's wrong.

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Like in my head.

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And Marcus was like, you're right.

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It is.

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And I got you.

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It was very much a public I

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got you moment.

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I got you.

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Marcus had been gatekept by

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me and then by another

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person who was attending this dinner.

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This was a good moment for him.

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I'm very proud of him.

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Yeah.

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All right, let's move on.

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Marcus, you know it's bad, right?

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It's bad because Brian has

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not said anything.

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Not a boy howdy.

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He backed up from the microphone.

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Not an oh my.

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The one third black old part

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of this is not strong

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enough for us to survive that.

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I appreciate that you shared

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that with me and I'm glad

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you had a good time.

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is what I'm saying in the

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episode in the episode

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right now it did right now

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anyway all right moving on

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moving on moving on so

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gentlemen I'm just gonna go

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for all of those that are

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listeners um I realize that

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we explained to you all

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what the images are on

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there you know to be

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accessible to everybody but

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also you should just come

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and hop into the live

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stream we stream this for free

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every monday on youtube and

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facebook and twitch um and

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to other places in the

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future if need be so I'm

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not going to do that this

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time what I'm what I'm just

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going to give you all a

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preface here's what I'm

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going to do there's some

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images that came up online

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for different projects that

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are coming out um some of

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these are leaks some of

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these are official stills

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and images from like vanity

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fair or images from the

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trailers that drop I'm just

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showing the images so that

::

we can just kind of see if

::

see what you've seen or see

::

what you know about them

::

but I will mention the

::

projects that we're showing

::

for those listening all

::

right is everybody ready

::

Another image from James Gunn's Superman.

::

It looks like a very first flight moment.

::

What we have here is David

::

Cornswit in his iconic Superman suit,

::

looking good in the suit.

::

The suit is growing on me significantly.

::

It is very much my

::

adventures with Superman.

::

That's exactly what the suit is.

::

If you watch that show that

::

is on Max and on Adult Swim,

::

that's exactly what this suit is.

::

It's a perfect combination of New 52,

::

Christopher Reeves.

::

It's everything.

::

So this looks like a first

::

flight moment in the streets.

::

Also, attached to that, James Gunn,

::

you know,

::

he's good at answering people's

::

tweets and answering people's threads.

::

They were like, oh,

::

so basically all of the

::

movie has gotten spoiled, right,

::

with all the leaks from this week.

::

And he says, no,

::

I would never shoot major

::

spoilers in an open city like that.

::

And that's all he kind of said.

::

So I think there's a lot more on the way.

::

Yeah.

::

I mean, like, I feel like...

::

I mean, I think he's right.

::

I think he knows this is

::

part of the hype cycle now, right?

::

Because I feel like anybody

::

worth their comic book

::

weight is going to shoot

::

any of this stuff in a

::

super high private studio.

::

Like the...

::

The final Tony Stark moment

::

in Endgame was like

::

literally five people in a black box.

::

On lockdown.

::

Nobody knew they were there doing it.

::

So to me, this is part of the hype cycle.

::

This is part of the advertising cycle now.

::

So I think it looks great.

::

The collar looks less

::

pronounced now in that outfit.

::

Yeah, they changed it.

::

Right.

::

I'm wondering if it's two

::

different outfits.

::

I'm wondering if costume or

::

direct or gun himself was like, eh,

::

maybe the collar's not working.

::

Um, I don't know.

::

I think the suit looks great

::

and I like that they're

::

borrowing more elements

::

from the later comics.

::

Um, I just, I, yeah, I'm,

::

I'm good doing the, the, the, like he's,

::

he has trunks.

::

I'm glad there is a defined

::

midsection to Superman.

::

Cause I,

::

That Henry Cavill suit,

::

it just kind of looks like pajamas.

::

It does look like a little

::

bit of a onesie.

::

Not the black suit one.

::

Black suit one looks absolutely fire.

::

It's not as pronounced.

::

Also,

::

whatever the fuck James Gunn got in

::

this man's frontal part,

::

I don't know if that's a

::

sock or if that's just cornfoot himself,

::

but Jesus Christ, dude,

::

you got to tone this shit down.

::

I know you're Superman, but fuck,

::

we got wives and

::

girlfriends out here and partners.

::

You got to relax, dude.

::

Jesus Christ.

::

You're in Cleveland, Ohio.

::

poking out like that.

::

This is Ohio.

::

This is what Marcus is saying.

::

You're not my favorite.

::

I don't need to see your man of steel.

::

One of my favorite memes.

::

That was funny, dude.

::

Way funnier than the Trayvon thing.

::

One of my favorite jokes.

::

Not to me.

::

One of my favorite jokes

::

that I see is like,

::

it's the meme of the guy

::

and the girl texting back and forth.

::

And they say, she says,

::

I'm really in a bad state right now.

::

And he says, oh, you're in Cleveland?

::

Oh, you're in Ohio?

::

You're in Ohio?

::

That's hilarious.

::

Next two images.

::

This is the new Hellboy.

::

The Hellboy the Cricket Man

::

with Jack Casey playing Hellboy.

::

That makes sense.

::

Jack Casey playing it.

::

I watched the trailer today.

::

I was going to do a live

::

reaction for you all,

::

but it's kind of like a simple...

::

it's it's a good trailer I

::

enjoyed it it looks like

::

you know it looks like more

::

of a hellboy take off of

::

the comics like the

::

original hellboy comics

::

yeah it looks like a more

::

of a they're leaning into

::

the horror vibe like that's

::

they leaned into that a

::

hundred percent yeah very

::

much so so I I'm I dig it

::

like I was like okay all

::

right you got me like I

::

like that I really like

::

what they're doing with it it looks good

::

I like what they're doing with Godzilla.

::

I think there's a few

::

characters that you can do this with,

::

and Hellboy seems to be one of them.

::

You don't need Ron Perlman

::

coming and playing this only iteration.

::

Maybe there's multiple.

::

Wait, didn't David... Am I hallucinating?

::

Didn't David... What's his

::

name from David Harbour?

::

Red Guardian do Stranger

::

Things do a Hellboy movie?

::

He did, and it kind of flopped.

::

But his version was not too well.

::

His version wasn't.

::

I didn't think it was a

::

terrible movie like people made it seem.

::

Yeah, it just wasn't.

::

It didn't get received well.

::

Oh, OK.

::

All right.

::

Which is too bad because

::

Hellboy is an awesome character.

::

It is.

::

I mean,

::

there's so many things that you can

::

do with Hellboy.

::

And if you did it right,

::

there's so many stories you can tell.

::

They're leading up to

::

Hellboy's big moment.

::

Mm hmm.

::

All right, a couple more images here.

::

This one is ahead of the San

::

Diego Comic-Con.

::

It's on the flag banners.

::

People have captured it,

::

but they have put this all

::

together in one.

::

This is our teaser image for

::

the Fantastic Four.

::

Love it.

::

Here you'll see the

::

silhouettes and kind of very 60s-ish,

::

70s-ish images.

::

by the hairstyle of Susan Storm.

::

But you get the silhouettes

::

of Reed Richards, of Sue Storm,

::

Johnny Storm, and Ben Grimm as the thing,

::

kind of getting a hint of

::

what the thing will look like,

::

which is a big question.

::

I know a lot of people have been kind of

::

Asking and wondering because

::

there's a pile of rocks or

::

whatever the fuck that was

::

in Fanfurtastic.

::

Fanfurtastic.

::

No pants.

::

He's just all rock.

::

Oh, yeah.

::

What a movie.

::

Let's let his boulders flap in the wind.

::

He's a man made of rock.

::

He can do whatever he wants.

::

Honestly, yeah.

::

It's all just a figment of

::

your imagination.

::

These last couple images are

::

all from Gladiator via Vanity Fair.

::

So the Gladiator 2 movie.

::

So if you haven't seen these,

::

this one is our man, our very handsome.

::

I am.

::

His name is slipping my mind.

::

Okay,

::

I did not know Pedro Pascal was in

::

Gladiator 2.

::

Yes.

::

Holy buckets, he looks good.

::

Great image of them fighting and in action,

::

which is the son of the

::

original Gladiator.

::

So here's another image.

::

But one of my favorite images, I think,

::

was the coldest one,

::

and it's fucking Denzel Washington.

::

God damn gladiator too.

::

And he has a gold hoop earring.

::

He's looking like an emperor of some sort.

::

Badass motherfucker.

::

I mean,

::

that's just Denzel is you can tell

::

he's getting older, but fuck me.

::

He looked good.

::

He's, he's owning that.

::

Yeah.

::

That's commanding that presence.

::

I'll be honest,

::

I have been very skeptical

::

of Gladiator 2.

::

Oh, 100%.

::

I don't really understand.

::

I shouldn't say that.

::

I understand how you can do a sequel.

::

I'm sitting here like,

::

any sequel is going to pale

::

in comparison to the first one.

::

Honestly,

::

these images kind of have me excited,

::

at least for the look and vibe of it.

::

Because we haven't gotten a

::

trailer for this, right?

::

No.

::

I don't think so.

::

No.

::

Which is really surprising

::

considering how much they've shot.

::

I think they're almost done.

::

I think they put this out to reaffirm.

::

They seem like they're some

::

of these movies are going

::

back to their old school ways.

::

Right.

::

Of like the way that they do

::

their marketing,

::

the way that they release

::

it in the magazines first.

::

Like I'm starting to see

::

that kind of come back to

::

and some leaks are also

::

kind of going down a little bit, too.

::

Right.

::

Like more of the photo leaks.

::

like I don't see that as

::

much but maybe that was

::

just because marvel and at

::

some point marvel was the

::

only ones making projects

::

is consistently I mean well

::

they had so many like there

::

were so many of them yeah

::

think about it like there's

::

just short of short of like

::

when fantastic four shoots

::

like there's just not going

::

to be that much for them to

::

but no captain america no I

::

haven't seen I haven't seen

::

any leaks from that just

::

the fact that there's a

::

bunch of reshoots but no

::

I mean,

::

I feel like the Cap set was a

::

little porous, though.

::

I mean, but also at the same time,

::

it's not entirely their

::

fault because the schedule

::

kept getting moved around,

::

and then they've also kept

::

some stuff quiet.

::

One of the characters that was going to be

::

featured the more Jewish character.

::

Sorry, I don't remember her name.

::

She's an agent.

::

We're going to be canceled.

::

I just got canceled.

::

You all didn't hear it,

::

but there was a sharp

::

buzzing that happened in this year.

::

It just went super high-pitched,

::

and I went, yep, okay, that's it.

::

I'm canceled.

::

That's it.

::

That is the one saying and coming for me.

::

No, no, no.

::

I'm going to remember her name.

::

Sabra.

::

Sabra or whatever.

::

Sabra.

::

sabra I can't remember her

::

name but she's like a

::

mutant that works is a

::

israeli superhero yes she's

::

an she's a mutant that

::

works for the israeli super

::

secret intelligence or

::

whatever she's quietly been

::

exited from the from the

::

project and then uh

::

mcdonald's did their thing

::

and basically acknowledged

::

that red hulk is in this

::

thing even though they

::

never said it so it's like i

::

kind of feel bad for that

::

movie because the

::

schedule's been messed up

::

so bad they also had to

::

change the title because it

::

was a white there was a dog

::

whistle white supremacist

::

dog whistle so like I don't

::

know part some of that

::

stuff I feel like we have

::

got but it's not entirely

::

their fault from like leaks

::

or photos like

::

photographers finding stuff

::

marcus are you okay I

::

changed my my chiro cancel

::

that my black job yeah yeah

::

it's not supposed to happen

::

to you yeah you've heard

::

when one goes down we all

::

go down well hey wait he

::

said he was gonna protect

::

the black jobs right I

::

think he's not doing a great job

::

And I'm not, first of all,

::

I'm not trusting him to

::

protect the black job.

::

And what the fuck is a black job?

::

You just call the president and be like,

::

I need you to protect the black job.

::

What the fuck is a black job?

::

I don't know, man.

::

That's insane.

::

Not me.

::

Not me.

::

Not me.

::

Not today.

::

Not me.

::

That knows.

::

Not me.

::

Brian, any other news that you have?

::

Nope.

::

I did my double dunk on Paramount+.

::

Godspeed to you all.

::

I have a quick... I forgot

::

that I do have a quick news update.

::

I took the kids to see Inside Out 2.

::

It was very good.

::

I will say this, though.

::

It's...

::

Disney, they did a good job.

::

They captured someone who

::

struggles with anxiety.

::

Fuck.

::

They fucking nailed it.

::

They were like,

::

do you see you in the theater?

::

I'm talking to you.

::

I was like, oh, shit.

::

The problem is that I feel

::

like with some of these,

::

that movie's just,

::

I don't think it's

::

necessarily a kid's movie.

::

What?

::

I think it's a tween movie.

::

Oh, got it.

::

And I don't say that because

::

she's supposed to be a teenager,

::

like going into high school.

::

That's irrelevant.

::

The problem is that there's

::

so much nuance to the way

::

that this is that it's really hard.

::

Kids do better with a black

::

and white perspective,

::

like a black and white structure.

::

There's a good.

::

There's a bad.

::

There's someone who's the

::

one you're rooting for,

::

the one that you're rooting against.

::

Of course.

::

and the feeling that at

::

least my kids left this movie was like,

::

Oh, so anxiety is a bad feeling.

::

And I was like, I was like, not,

::

not exactly.

::

Yeah.

::

I mean, yeah, but not exactly.

::

So like it's fostered a conversation,

::

which was really great.

::

And I really appreciated it, but like,

::

I don't, it was tough.

::

It was tough because you

::

want to have someone that's bad.

::

Right.

::

And it's just,

::

there's a lot of nuance with that one.

::

So, yeah.

::

yeah that's that's tough I

::

I've seen a lot of people

::

talking about it there was

::

a woman who made a video I

::

think it was on tick tock

::

and apparently she had like

::

an entire she had entire

::

emotional experience like

::

because they in the movie

::

doug do they basically

::

depict an anxiety attack

::

They depict a panic attack.

::

So, yeah, yeah.

::

So essentially there's a

::

moment and spoiler alert,

::

but you've seen it in the

::

trailers and it's on video.

::

Yeah, it's been out for a few weeks,

::

but I won't get into the details.

::

But, you know,

::

Riley is trying to get on to

::

the hockey team,

::

the high school hockey team.

::

Um, and at this point in time,

::

anxiety has taken over and

::

essentially has said like

::

putting a lot of,

::

she's putting a lot of

::

pressure on herself and she

::

gets called for a foul and

::

she has to go sit in the box.

::

And that's when anxiety starts to sit.

::

And what I think that they

::

did really well visually is it spins.

::

around and around and around

::

and around and around and

::

around in a circle because

::

it's essentially nothing.

::

She can't get herself to a

::

point where there's

::

anything productive she can do about it.

::

So she sits there and sits and just,

::

it starts.

::

And then there's other

::

things that happen that I won't share,

::

but you can see that she's

::

grabbing her chest.

::

She's breathing really heavy.

::

She's crying.

::

And on the inside and headquarters,

::

it is this orange world of

::

just anxious energy.

::

And so it's, it's a lot, it's a lot.

::

And it, but you know what?

::

Fucking nailed it.

::

Like they, I mean, that's impressive.

::

They nailed that entirely.

::

I mean, they nailed the logic of it too,

::

of like,

::

you know they and what I

::

think that they did is they

::

did such and fuck did

::

fucking disney like they

::

did such a good job at the

::

end like coaching you like

::

you like well what can you

::

do with your anxiety and

::

it's like right make it sit

::

in its chair until you need

::

it to do what it's designed

::

to do don't let it get

::

involved in this shit it

::

doesn't need to be involved

::

If you're worried about a test,

::

that's great.

::

Anxious energy.

::

Cause it motivates you to study.

::

You're not great when you're

::

trying to like, you know,

::

trying to make decisions

::

for the rest of your life.

::

And so like, yeah.

::

Yeah.

::

So it's, it was very good.

::

And I enjoyed it.

::

The kids enjoyed it, but there were some,

::

you know,

::

conversations where we kind of

::

had to have been like, well, like, yeah.

::

And so, which are hard.

::

And those are hard.

::

They're very,

::

especially for a five and a

::

seven year old.

::

So I would say maybe a little bit older.

::

I mean, no kid, younger kids enjoy it,

::

but,

::

I think probably 9, 10,

::

11-year-olds probably got a

::

lot out of that.

::

For sure.

::

And I think that also speaks

::

to where you go if you're

::

making Inside Out a franchise.

::

I think it makes sense to

::

have these five basic

::

emotions as you start out as a kid.

::

But as soon as you hit that 10, 11,

::

12-year-old stage,

::

there's so much happening.

::

happening that I'm not

::

surprised that kids under

::

10 would have a hard time

::

grasping or grappling with

::

right because it's not

::

happy or sad or disgusted

::

or scared it's like it's

::

kind of more complicated

::

like anxiety or just you

::

don't feel anxiety envy

::

embarrassment and ennui uh

::

I have questions about

::

ennui they printed ennui is

::

like oh it's just boredom

::

But then they also made ennui sarcastic,

::

and I was like,

::

you kind of need to pick a

::

couple lanes here,

::

because ennui is a very

::

complicated French term.

::

Ennui is like, I have lack of purpose.

::

That's what ennui is.

::

And they were like, no, no,

::

reduce it to the very most.

::

And you have to.

::

But you're right, Brian.

::

I mean...

::

What are you going to do?

::

We know you're making a sequel.

::

What are you going to do?

::

Put 15 of those fuckers in her head?

::

What are we doing here?

::

I mean, it's kind of like Toy Story,

::

right?

::

Andy isn't really...

::

he's the catalyst for how

::

you get the toys and who has the toys,

::

but he's not the main

::

character to a certain extent.

::

They even do it so much

::

where they give the toys

::

away to the neighbor kid or

::

they pick them up to Bonnie.

::

I think if you have it where

::

you can see either in her head,

::

what I was telling Doug was

::

when he gave the quick review at dinner,

::

it seems like the movie is

::

trying to age with

::

Right.

::

And so it's like the next thing,

::

if you get another stage,

::

is that preteen era?

::

What does that look like

::

when she gets to high

::

schools and start having

::

feelings and like that kind of thing?

::

Oh, yeah.

::

There's so many things you can do with it,

::

I think.

::

Oh, I mean,

::

I think that's definitely a

::

franchise that can grow

::

with with its audience,

::

like how Star Wars and to

::

some extent Marvel has done.

::

Right.

::

Like I think doing a college

::

Riley makes sense.

::

100% sense.

::

I feel like that's an audience for it,

::

right?

::

You'll have an audience for it.

::

And there are a lot of

::

feelings that are coming up

::

in your 20 or like when you're,

::

I don't know,

::

a young adult is maybe the

::

term we'll use.

::

um, that are going to be relatable.

::

And I don't know how it

::

would do as a kid's movie,

::

but I do feel like that's

::

if they do another one,

::

I feel like that's, I mean,

::

they did it with Andy in toy story.

::

They can do it with toy story.

::

They can do it with it.

::

They very much can very, very much can.

::

So, um,

::

Yeah, but that's all I have.

::

But gentlemen,

::

we had our Patty family pick a movie,

::

and they picked 2000's American Psycho.

::

Marcus,

::

do you care to give us a barbershop

::

summary?

::

I can try.

::

Okay.

::

All right.

::

What had happened was... I

::

just watched this movie three hours ago.

::

All right.

::

What had happened was

::

there's a handsome guy, right?

::

And he is very meticulous.

::

He... Say something else.

::

He is...

::

fixated with certain things.

::

And I'm not sure if it's a mental, like a,

::

I'm not sure what it is,

::

if it's just his own

::

fixation or was there

::

something tied to it?

::

Anyway, he has a fixation.

::

He has to do everything's a certain way.

::

He has a certain body wash that he uses.

::

He has a certain regimen that he follows.

::

He says like,

::

there's certain things that

::

he does on a regular basis.

::

He's in this big company,

::

not sure what the company did.

::

It's,

::

Stocks?

::

Not really sure.

::

They never really explained it.

::

It was just a general big company.

::

Oh, yeah, for sure.

::

Yeah, for sure.

::

Right.

::

Like all of them were vice presidents.

::

All of them had the same title.

::

No specific areas.

::

Like when they put their

::

cards on the table, literally.

::

And so there's this guy.

::

He's going around.

::

He's pretending to be

::

something during the day.

::

But at night he has, well, he, you know,

::

not even just at night,

::

he's underlying having these under,

::

he's having these

::

underlying issues or this,

::

he's in this certain mental

::

state or he's having this breakdown.

::

And he's,

::

he talks about this hunger that

::

he can no longer like feed

::

that it's getting worse.

::

And so he's essentially killing people.

::

So he's killing women.

::

He's killing men.

::

He's like, we think.

::

Right.

::

There's goes to this whole

::

movie of like the different

::

ways he kills people or the

::

or the ways he goes about it.

::

He has a porn addiction.

::

He has a sex addiction addiction.

::

He has all of these things

::

that you see in big, greedy,

::

green money world.

::

Right.

::

You have these big wigs that

::

live at the top and they

::

have these vices that they live by.

::

He seems to be struggling

::

with all of the vices that

::

you can think of in the 90s and the 2000s,

::

escorts, drugs, money, greed.

::

He says all of these things

::

that he's kind of fixated with.

::

And he has a type.

::

He's very specific about the

::

women that he murders or

::

the people that he kills or

::

the way that he goes about it.

::

He is also seeking attention.

::

So like he's having this crisis.

::

And it seems like as he's killing people,

::

he also wants the attention

::

for killing the people,

::

maybe a little bit.

::

But like,

::

I'm not really sure what the fuck

::

going on.

::

But that's basically the movie.

::

yeah yeah you nailed it I

::

just realized how ambiguous

::

some of the things in this

::

movie is and I feel like

::

it's on purpose but we can

::

talk about that later it is

::

I mean you're very much

::

correct like there are some

::

it's there are they are

::

leaving the specifics out

::

on purpose yeah the

::

director is definitely

::

leaving that stuff out so

::

um I want to run down cast for you all

::

Um,

::

so Christian Bale plays Patrick Bateman,

::

Justin Theroux plays Timothy Bryce,

::

Josh Lucas plays Craig McDermott.

::

Now I want you all to know

::

that these are very young

::

versions of these three dudes.

::

Like Josh Lucas has been in

::

a ton of stuff.

::

Like Justin Theroux has been

::

in a ton of stuff.

::

Chloe Savigne plays Jean.

::

Reese Witherspoon plays Evelyn Williams.

::

Samantha Mathis is in this as well.

::

She plays Courtney Rolison.

::

Fucking my man Jared Leto is in this.

::

Morbius himself is in this.

::

I could not figure out who he was.

::

He plays Paul Allen.

::

Yep, he plays Paul Allen.

::

And then Willem Dafoe is in this.

::

He plays Donald Kimball.

::

He's the cop.

::

And that's pretty much it.

::

Yeah, those are the big ones.

::

Yeah, those are the big ones.

::

Yeah.

::

I was like,

::

is there anything else I need

::

to know about those?

::

There's a lot of sleepers in this.

::

Yes, very much so.

::

Gentlemen.

::

thoughts on now quick table

::

setter this was picked by

::

the patty family both brian

::

and I have seen this before

::

but marcus this was your

::

first viewing uh american

::

psycho so I'm actually

::

gonna not to put you on the

::

spot or to lead with you

::

but marcus what how did you

::

feel like what was your

::

thought like first impressions

::

I think first impression is

::

I see why this movie did so

::

well or why it's so well received.

::

One, I love Christian Bale.

::

There was two primary

::

thoughts I could think of

::

the entire time I was watching this.

::

I was like,

::

this makes me want to watch Equilibrium.

::

And then the other thought was,

::

I can't believe this is fucking Batman.

::

Those were the only two

::

thoughts that I had.

::

But in a way, it kind of makes sense.

::

Christian Bale is just one of those guys.

::

I think that that's the bottom line.

::

He probably needs more recognition,

::

but I couldn't see anybody

::

else playing this role.

::

So I think, number one, I was like,

::

you had a great selection

::

of a person to play this

::

role and go fucking mad.

::

I see why this was really successful.

::

I have no idea what the

::

accolades were for it,

::

if it won any awards or anything,

::

but it's definitely...

::

like a classic like to me

::

yeah this is this is one of

::

those movies that people

::

who love movies love to

::

have like in their top and

::

for a lot of folks and it's

::

because of some of those

::

things like like what you

::

were saying Marcus the way

::

you outline them of like

::

the ambiguous nature how

::

can it be applied to

::

everything yeah so yeah no

::

I completely agree I'm

::

looking up the awards that maybe it won

::

Well, then I can jump in really quick.

::

I think you should do that.

::

And I watched this in 2005-ish,

::

and I feel like it reached

::

cult status at that point

::

because I don't think it

::

was a commercial success.

::

I'm going to wait for

::

verification on that.

::

And when I was in undergrad,

::

like this was the movie where it was like,

::

oh, you want to see a movie?

::

You watch American Psycho.

::

Like that was just kind of the vibe I had.

::

It was like this.

::

And like, man,

::

there are a few others I'll

::

think about in a second.

::

Yeah, and when I watched it back then,

::

I did not have the critical eye.

::

I do now.

::

I was just like, oh,

::

this guy's killing people.

::

Are you seeing this?

::

That was all I could take in

::

with my tiny 20-year-old brain.

::

I was like, this guy,

::

look how much he's killing them.

::

Your 20-year-old voice is crazy.

::

Brian's also,

::

he doesn't like to talk about this a lot,

::

but he used to be Arnold

::

Schwarzenegger when he was 20 years old.

::

Yeah, I watched the movie.

::

It's crazy.

::

There's all these things.

::

I like to hear.

::

I pumped you up.

::

Anyway, the point being,

::

Marcus is rubbing his face.

::

What is he doing with these

::

two white guys?

::

No, no, no.

::

It's also me.

::

It's me.

::

I'm a part of this.

::

It's me.

::

I'm a part of this.

::

You're a part of this.

::

You're a third responsible.

::

You are one third

::

responsible for that voice.

::

I mean,

::

it does kind of get this inception.

::

I feel like inception

::

executed on this concept of

::

what is actually happening here.

::

Far better,

::

but it feels like American

::

Psycho and Memento put the

::

seeds there to be like, no,

::

what if it was like this?

::

Kind of Fight Club, kind of not.

::

I feel like that movie's overrated.

::

We can have that conversation later,

::

but like

::

Yeah.

::

Oh, I think it's overrated.

::

I think I think a lot of

::

people talk about it like

::

it's this top tier thing.

::

And I feel like it's like a

::

little bit mid range.

::

But in the context of American Psycho,

::

I feel like it is it

::

doesn't hold your hand,

::

which I appreciate,

::

especially at this point.

::

Yeah.

::

Yeah.

::

So the budget for American

::

Psycho was $7 million estimated.

::

So $7 million back in the day.

::

Gross was $15 million, give or take.

::

Its opening weekend was $4 million.

::

Call it $5 million.

::

It was $4.9 million.

::

And then its worldwide was $34 million.

::

So it wasn't a smash.

::

It didn't blow up,

::

but it made its money back.

::

Somebody got a good bonus.

::

Yeah, and bought a house.

::

Yeah.

::

I guess for me,

::

how do y'all receive this movie?

::

What stands out to you about it?

::

If it's supposed to be a movie's movie,

::

like a movie lover's movie,

::

let's assume it's a top five.

::

What about it stands out?

::

I do feel like there were

::

some things that were missing in this,

::

though.

::

It felt incomprehensible to

::

a certain extent to me.

::

I'll say what I really

::

appreciated is I think this

::

is a great example of...

::

I think this is a great

::

example of acting just

::

because of the wide range

::

of emotions that have to be

::

brought to the character

::

that Christian Bale is

::

playing because he is both,

::

he is both like aware of his own madness,

::

but also simultaneously

::

incredulous to what's happening.

::

Like it's, I know this is in me.

::

I know it's something I'm doing, but,

::

but God damn, I don't know why,

::

but I have to do it.

::

Like it's, it's.

::

And so that as like a

::

character study of someone

::

being able to literally put

::

on that sort of like skin

::

and be that person that, that was, sorry,

::

that was a bad choice.

::

No, no.

::

I mean, it's phonetically correct.

::

But to be, like, but to really, like,

::

jump into that character, that's, I mean,

::

it's impressive.

::

Like, it's really, really impressive.

::

I also think as far as a

::

commentary on 80s Wall Street greed,

::

I think it's pretty interesting, too.

::

Like, just like, to Marcus,

::

you kind of brought it up in your intro,

::

like...

::

do the rich just get away with this?

::

Like with the way, I mean, not,

::

I'm not going to jump to the ending.

::

We're going to save it,

::

but do the rich just get away with it?

::

Does it just go away?

::

Because no one ever suspects

::

that they would be the one to do it.

::

So like, there's that side of it too.

::

So those two pieces for me,

::

make it something that I love to watch.

::

Is this the part where we

::

get into our sing, sing, sing, sing,

::

sing?

::

Or are we like, I'm waiting?

::

I want to say one more thing

::

before we start jumping around the board.

::

That's swords, by the way.

::

Oh, I thought it was swords.

::

Oh, swashbuckling.

::

Yes, on guard.

::

The one thing I think that

::

also makes this a movie

::

movie is that Christian

::

Bale is so flippin' dying.

::

dialed in to this character

::

and I'm not saying it

::

because of the intensity in

::

like that opening montage

::

when he's like exercising

::

in his tighty whities great

::

great piece by the way like

::

you see the intensity of

::

the character however it's

::

the range of it in the

::

singular film you see him go from like

::

confident to fearful to like

::

he is like voracious with

::

hunger to kill someone he's

::

disgusted but he also is

::

happy but he's also bored

::

he like he goes through

::

this entire range like the

::

first murder like he's he's

::

moonwalking but he's like

::

excited to kill this guy but also

::

Huey Lewis and the news is

::

probably their best at like that entire.

::

I mean, right.

::

That's probably the

::

monologue some people did for ages.

::

Right.

::

That entire monologue of

::

talking about Huey Lewis as

::

you're about to kill somebody.

::

It's just the range and he

::

doesn't overdo it.

::

And I know that's like a

::

compliment I give to a lot

::

of folks of projects we

::

watch on this podcast,

::

but I feel like Christian

::

Bale rode that edge.

::

And I feel like it's really

::

hard to do that in a film

::

like this because you

::

picture any other actor

::

doing this and they're going to overdo it,

::

right?

::

Like the movie's called American Psycho.

::

You can picture somebody

::

just taking it way too much and making it

::

not unbelievable,

::

but laughable or not connecting.

::

And I think,

::

I think the one thing I wanted

::

to say before we started

::

swashbuckling was like, I think that's,

::

that's what elevates Christian Bale here.

::

Like,

::

and it's beyond him doing flipping

::

500 sit-ups or whatever to

::

be Patrick. 1,000.

::

Or 1000, right?

::

Like he and he did part of

::

the workout regimen too, by the way,

::

according to the sources on

::

I would believe 100% of that, right?

::

Like, it's not the method.

::

It's it's his portrayal and

::

not going knowing where that edge is.

::

A lot of us don't know where

::

to stop the joke.

::

Christian Bale is so sharp

::

when it comes to movies of like, nope,

::

this is exactly what you

::

need for my performance.

::

And I'm moving on.

::

I'm going to give you

::

exactly what the performance calls for.

::

Nothing more, nothing less.

::

And I think you're right, Brian.

::

I think some folks would

::

lean into the like, yeah,

::

take it there and be depraved.

::

And those moments where

::

they're unhinged would be...

::

almost like either comical

::

where they lose that sense of like,

::

Oh no.

::

Like, Oh yeah.

::

Like, and they would be,

::

it would be too much of a slasher film.

::

And this is,

::

this is booked as a horror movie,

::

like because of what happens.

::

But it's, it's, it would be,

::

it would just be too much.

::

So, and according to collider,

::

they auditioned Brad Pitt,

::

Edward Norton and Leonardo DiCaprio.

::

The Brad Pitt and Edward

::

Norton are not surprising.

::

Leo makes sense too.

::

Those two in particular

::

because Fight Club came out

::

in 1999 and this came out in 2000.

::

They were trying to ride the

::

snake of these two are

::

really hot and popular.

::

They were in a similar vibe of a movie.

::

Down with corporate

::

establishment kind of movie.

::

I feel like Brad Pitt would have

::

overdone it to an incredible

::

extent like I love brad

::

pitt but I don't see the

::

nuance there I couldn't

::

imagine him in this movie

::

right you know what I could

::

if if you had me not not 99

::

2000 brad pitt give me him

::

with a little bit more like

::

um dirt on him a little bit

::

like when he grows a little

::

bit I think once upon a

::

time in the like in

::

hollywood yeah yeah mr and

::

mrs smith even yeah that

::

one is like probably do it

::

Because there's this

::

monotoneness to Patrick

::

Bateman or Christian Bale that is like,

::

this dude feels like a psychopath.

::

Even what I enjoy about this

::

movie is the way he tries to hide it.

::

And it's like you can tell

::

it feels fake by the

::

comments he's making.

::

You know,

::

he's talking with his guys and

::

he's trying to be this what

::

they would call now woke.

::

Right.

::

And it's like, oh, yeah,

::

because when his partners say, oh, yeah,

::

I forgot that Bateman's dating a girl,

::

a chick from ACLU.

::

That's right.

::

Because he says all of these

::

very more liberal

::

statements in these very

::

conservative ways.

::

rich, hoity-toity type rooms.

::

So he's trying to make

::

himself what it felt like to me.

::

He was trying to make

::

himself seem more deep or exciting,

::

even when he was trying to

::

do these monologues about music.

::

And at one point,

::

he does two whole monologues about it.

::

And then the one scene he

::

starts talking about Whitney Houston,

::

the girl's like,

::

you own a fucking Whitney Houston CD?

::

And it seemed like it threw him off.

::

Because it was because he

::

wasn't able to like

::

elaborate himself into the

::

knowledge of like,

::

this is who I am and what I know.

::

It felt like he was trying

::

to fake and put on some type of front.

::

And if that wasn't enough, the killing,

::

you know, they say about murder,

::

like murder is like serial

::

killers want to be found or

::

they kind of want to be

::

known for their thing that they do.

::

They want the fame of it all.

::

Yeah.

::

And so that's kind of what

::

it felt like to me.

::

I would say I think the

::

other thing is that for me,

::

I interpreted that just a

::

smidgen differently,

::

that that's the way in

::

which he lured folks in.

::

So it wasn't that he wanted

::

to necessarily be found.

::

It's just he was always –

::

because he was always

::

trying to find another way

::

to lure someone in to give

::

in to his deepest, darkest desire.

::

Mm-hmm.

::

Can we swashbuckle here?

::

Because I disagree.

::

And so I disagree because

::

there was something about

::

these moments that happened

::

of him in the bathroom with

::

the other guy who thinks he

::

wants to be in a

::

relationship or that

::

they're attracted to each other.

::

Or the moments that they

::

literally put their

::

business cards on the table.

::

Thanks.

::

Swashbuckle alert.

::

Or the moments that they put

::

their business cards on the

::

table and he's able to

::

notice the tiniest hues and being bested.

::

Like, by one each time,

::

and then the last guy

::

brings in another card and

::

it throws him for a fucking loop, right?

::

And so it's like, to me,

::

he feels like he's Mr. Top

::

Shit and has to portray

::

this certain thing.

::

I think that's him

::

legitimately trying to

::

portray this certain thing.

::

And he was willing to kill

::

anybody that... Like,

::

why did he kill Jared Leto?

::

Also,

::

I have an additional comment that I

::

think Jared Leto's method

::

acting may stem from being

::

a fan of Christian Bale.

::

more than likely yes it was

::

like they were at the table

::

and it's like for me I saw

::

these two motherfuckers

::

looking at each other and

::

Jared Leto being like I

::

want to do that so all of

::

this method acting being on

::

set I want to be that when

::

I grow up which is fair

::

like you watch this guy and

::

they have the same

::

mannerisms that same dry

::

like that monotone like if

::

you were to do it today

::

Jared Leto might be the

::

person that you kind of

::

would imagine playing that role

::

If he had better movie

::

selections like previous –

::

if he didn't have like a

::

Morbis under his belt or

::

like – but Dallas Buyers

::

Club is like a good – you

::

know what I mean?

::

That's kind of what I was seeing there.

::

Sorry, I'm rambling,

::

but that's a lot of my thought process.

::

I'm going to parry that agreement.

::

I don't know how to phrase this,

::

so I'm just going to stick

::

with swashbuckling.

::

They're swashbuckling terms.

::

So I'm going to parry that and say –

::

That it's probably actually

::

a combination of both really.

::

And that's not so much a Perry is so much.

::

It is like a kind of

::

bridging the gap because I

::

think you're onto something.

::

I think the idea that I

::

always thought about,

::

at least as far as this

::

movie is concerned and

::

almost the statement that

::

the movie is trying to make

::

is this idea of.

::

Patrick Bateman feels like

::

he has to kill any time he

::

is one-upped or he feels

::

inferior in his job in an

::

effort to claim the power

::

that was taken from him back.

::

I agree.

::

He enacts that on the only

::

group of people that he can,

::

which is people who can see him as –

::

are lower than him in the

::

knowledge that he has in

::

the money that he has in

::

the music he listens to in

::

the car that he drives like

::

all of those things are the

::

things that for him are

::

like he's able to lure that

::

over them before he

::

inevitably okay you know I

::

think we might be saying

::

the same thing I think we

::

accidentally tangled swords

::

there because I that's

::

exactly what I was trying

::

to oh that sounds weird

::

anytime man if I have to

::

tangle him with anybody

::

Honestly, it would be my guy.

::

Tip to screen?

::

What did you say?

::

It said crossing the stream.

::

But what I think the movie's

::

always trying to say is that movie...

::

I was going with a Ghostbusters reference,

::

but I might be more leaning

::

towards Spaceballs.

::

I'm sorry.

::

That's a different podcast.

::

That's a different podcast.

::

Only fans in black and white.

::

Sorry.

::

But I think what it's trying to say,

::

especially with that card scene...

::

this is what happens when we

::

think we're really smart

::

and you meet a smart person

::

it's just meant to be

::

swashbuckling and fencing

::

yes Mason we are only yeah

::

we don't really know what

::

you're talking about we're

::

here for your entertainment

::

Um,

::

but I think because of what they're

::

doing with that,

::

like that card scene and

::

any other time there's that

::

like comparison about jobs

::

or title or who they're dating.

::

So trying to say like,

::

this is phony baloney

::

bullshit that only exists in corporate.

::

So how many other of these

::

folks are being created or

::

how many of these folks have these deep,

::

dark secrets that we don't

::

know about because they're

::

trying to one up Rick who has BS.

::

bone versus the other one.

::

It's the American part of

::

the American cycle.

::

Not so much the cycle,

::

but it's the American part.

::

Doug, to underline your point,

::

you never see Patrick Bateman work.

::

You never see him take a meeting.

::

You never even see him look

::

at a spreadsheet or anything.

::

On top of that,

::

nothing, like, even when he's at home,

::

nothing is, like, geared towards, like,

::

the only thing of self-improvement, right,

::

is his workout regimen.

::

Other than that, he has no hobbies.

::

Which is about the look still.

::

It's only...

::

about this vibe, right?

::

And like, even the music, he's like, oh,

::

you know about this, but I know more.

::

But it's like,

::

do you actually enjoy the music?

::

And they kind of touch on it

::

when he's in the limo with

::

Reese Witherspoon,

::

but it also feels like the

::

only reason he's doing that

::

is so he doesn't have to

::

listen to Reese Witherspoon.

::

100%.

::

Yep.

::

Also,

::

Reese Witherspoon mentions in the

::

limo that

::

He keeps talking about the job.

::

I got to work my way up in the company.

::

She said, your dad owns the company.

::

So basically,

::

you don't have to do anything.

::

Yes!

::

Yes.

::

And I feel like all those

::

things underscore this like

::

American kind of bootstraps

::

paradox thing of just like,

::

I'm Patrick Bateman and I'm

::

better than you.

::

And here's like his fiance being like,

::

your dad owns the company.

::

You're a vice president of

::

what exactly you don't even know.

::

As a viewer,

::

you have no idea what he's

::

vice president of.

::

And by the way,

::

all of his friends also vice president.

::

What the hell do they do?

::

Right.

::

Right?

::

Of nothing.

::

And then even when they ask

::

him about his job,

::

it's not even something he

::

enjoys because they're all like,

::

anyone I know on Murders

::

and Acquisitions hates it.

::

Willem Dafoe walks in the room, right?

::

And Willem Dafoe plays the detective.

::

Right.

::

He walks in to question Bateman.

::

And Bateman pretends to

::

answer the phone and he

::

starts talking about

::

randomly tipping the server.

::

Make sure you tip the server.

::

Make sure you do this.

::

Make sure you get this suit

::

and wear that with this.

::

To almost make it seem like

::

he was doing some, not almost,

::

but to make it seem like he

::

was having a big

::

conversation or to throw

::

off the detective or to

::

seem like some big wig.

::

Not like you weren't just

::

sitting at your fucking desk.

::

Telling your secretary to

::

cancel every other group.

::

No answer, just say no.

::

And Marcus, to your point,

::

Willem Dafoe says back, he goes,

::

you must be very busy.

::

He's always apologizing.

::

He's like, you must be very busy.

::

You must have things that are going on.

::

That sounded like an important call.

::

He's always sort of

::

groveling over this like, oh, please,

::

Mr. Bateman,

::

let me ask you some questions.

::

I'm so sorry to interrupt.

::

When he's investigating a

::

fucking disappearance of a coworker.

::

But it's the power move.

::

Yes.

::

It's exactly what I think

::

all three of us are saying.

::

Yeah.

::

It's the power move of being like,

::

I got to show myself as talking about.

::

Now, a lot of people do this today.

::

This is my soapbox.

::

Yes.

::

The movie pissed me off.

::

No source tangled here at this podcast.

::

We're touching tips at this point, Mason.

::

Yep.

::

Tips of the swords.

::

Tip tip.

::

Yep.

::

Tip tip cheerio.

::

Tip tip cheerio.

::

Oh man,

::

Brian's in my corner sometimes and

::

it's great when he is.

::

Oh,

::

it's so fantastic because it's the one

::

line that always gets you.

::

Tip touch is anonymous.

::

So I feel like

::

I forgot what I was saying.

::

Doesn't matter.

::

No, no, no.

::

I'm going to set you back up

::

because I'm going to agree

::

with you about talking

::

about how people do this today.

::

Oh, thank you.

::

Here's the thing about today.

::

People lead with fluff, okay?

::

People with PhDs,

::

people with high positions,

::

people with high titles.

::

A lot of people in roles

::

that they shouldn't be in.

::

They may be fantastic.

::

I've been trying to do

::

better at separating person from the job,

::

but sometimes it gets very hard.

::

Sometimes you have really

::

nice people in positions

::

that they're not supposed to be in.

::

Or sometimes you have like...

::

really bad positions and

::

good people in them and

::

it's not sustainable.

::

Both things can be true.

::

The bottom line for me is

::

there's a lot of

::

motherfuckers that just

::

talk with fluff like they

::

big and bad and know what

::

the fuck they talking about.

::

And there's so many people

::

that put a lot of extra

::

jargon or I have to catch

::

myself from trying to use

::

big words when I'm really

::

just trying to say fuck off.

::

Like, I don't want to say, like,

::

I don't want to say any of that shit.

::

I just want to say,

::

fuck off and stop getting on my nerves.

::

But there's a lot of people

::

that do that are Bateman.

::

They are Patrick Bateman.

::

They fake that.

::

Maybe not the killing part necessarily,

::

but they will kill or step

::

over anybody to get what

::

the fuck they want and be

::

in positions that they feel

::

like they deserve to be in.

::

The best phrase I ever heard,

::

the best phrase I ever

::

heard is comes from Dr. Peggy Crow.

::

She works at Western Kentucky University,

::

and she said this,

::

and I've never forgotten it.

::

Why are you using a 50 cent

::

word when a nickel word will suffice?

::

Like that shit sticks with

::

me all the time.

::

And you're right, Marcus.

::

It's really easy to get down

::

that road and you say, you know,

::

we've got different like

::

situations when you're like, oh,

::

here's a thing that happened.

::

Mm hmm.

::

Let's be real.

::

Let's be... We don't need to

::

talk about an inflection point.

::

We need to be like, no,

::

that's where we turned it around.

::

You don't need to make this

::

harder than it has to be.

::

That's what the whole part

::

of this movie was for me.

::

One, okay.

::

this is me,

::

the only black guy in this was

::

the one you killed in the alleyway.

::

It was poor Al.

::

And there is nobody,

::

and maybe that's part of the movie,

::

maybe it's because it was

::

the 90s and 2000s and

::

that's kind of what the vibe was on sets.

::

But there is no black person

::

that is in the same caliber

::

or in the same

::

conversations anywhere in

::

the smoking rooms, the gentlemen clubs,

::

the parties, the clubs that they're at.

::

Even when there's an ugly woman,

::

he calls her, you ugly bitch,

::

I want to skin your skin

::

and I want to blah, blah, blah, blah,

::

blah,

::

and I want to make you watch you bleed.

::

He says that to her.

::

He picked them.

::

I think when he picked up the escort,

::

he might've called her.

::

I can't remember.

::

I think,

::

I think the moment you're talking

::

about is like in the first

::

10 minutes of the movie,

::

when they go to the bar and

::

she's annoyed with him for some reason.

::

And he talks about like,

::

I want to play with your blood.

::

And you're like, Oh no.

::

yeah because they are trying

::

to have that like that

::

moment from Fight Club

::

where he's looking in the

::

mirror and saying some

::

things and which is kind of

::

hard to differentiate when

::

you're watching the movie

::

for the first time of like

::

oh okay I see that that's a

::

thing but yeah that's just

::

my whole thing was like if

::

you watch this for the first time

::

there's a lot of Patrick

::

Bateman's in the world.

::

There's a lot of Patrick

::

Bateman's friends in the world.

::

Cause even in the groups that he in,

::

the only thing they give a

::

fuck about is making reservations,

::

talking about talking down on women.

::

Oh,

::

the sexiest thing a woman can do is be so,

::

so much of a freak that she

::

wants to have sex anytime,

::

but also not enough that

::

she's like too sexy for

::

everybody else and knows

::

when to shut her damn mouth.

::

And it was like, Oh,

::

these are normal

::

conversations that happen

::

in these spaces.

::

Wasn't the lady,

::

and maybe I'm misremembering this,

::

but wasn't the lady,

::

so he tries to feed a cat to the ATM,

::

which, by the way,

::

for some reason is my... I

::

thought he put a gun to the cat.

::

He did.

::

He goes to the ATM to get

::

money for escorts, I would assume.

::

And there's a kitten,

::

and he looks up at the ATM,

::

and the ATM says, feed me a stray cat.

::

And so he tries to shove the

::

cat into the ATM.

::

And this woman comes up

::

And I feel like it was a

::

black lady who came up and was like, no,

::

no, no.

::

And he turns around and shoots.

::

No, she was white.

::

No, that was white.

::

She said, no, she said, no,

::

what are you doing?

::

Stop doing that.

::

And he turned around real

::

quick and shot her.

::

And remember when he shoots

::

her without knowing who she

::

is or feeling that sense of like power or,

::

you know, warning over her,

::

he feels guilty.

::

That's what sets him down this,

::

this path of like, I want to get caught.

::

like yeah feed me a straight

::

cat yeah I missed that

::

whole thing oh that was

::

that so this like the okay

::

so I would like us to have

::

a conversation about this

::

sequence because the moment

::

he goes to the ATM and it

::

says feed me a straight cat

::

I was like oh like

::

okay, we're in his world.

::

We're in his vision of seeing stuff.

::

Because there's no ATM that

::

would tell you to feed it a stray cat.

::

Not any that we would go to.

::

And upon reflection,

::

this to me is a moment

::

where you see Bateman break

::

with reality to me.

::

Because it's almost like

::

what he wants to do or what

::

he wanted to do.

::

I don't know of anything

::

that happened between this moment

::

And then when he calls the lawyer,

::

all of that was passing.

::

I don't know if any of that happened.

::

Right.

::

In, in real life.

::

Right.

::

And I remember watching this

::

when I was 20 and thinking

::

all that did happen,

::

but now watching it after

::

being on this pod, I'm like,

::

oh was that was that all in

::

his head that he exploded a

::

police car and killed an

::

officer and killed the same

::

it was like the same

::

reception attendant it's

::

like he does the the movie

::

has you go through the same

::

sequence twice and he

::

shoots one guy but he

::

doesn't shoot the other

::

anyway how did you all feel

::

about that sequence what's

::

your interpretation

::

I think that before that,

::

I want to talk about a

::

little bit before that.

::

Do it.

::

The scene for me that showed

::

that it was real,

::

what was real was him

::

beating on the escorts.

::

And I think, now I could be overthinking,

::

but the two escorts as they're leaving,

::

they have bloody noses,

::

they got bloody faces.

::

I think that that's the

::

worst that he was doing was

::

beating on these escorts.

::

Because if it is a message

::

about these higher big wigs,

::

greedy fuckers that run

::

these companies and stuff like that,

::

and the lower than...

::

Him preying on people that

::

will feel less than in his presence.

::

To me, it was like, oh yeah, he did that.

::

He made the escorts do

::

whatever the fuck he said.

::

Then he beat them, right?

::

As that was the other part of the evening.

::

And then he paid him and

::

then made him leave.

::

Like to me, that was real.

::

But that was the extent of

::

maybe what his madness was

::

actually happening was

::

maybe putting hands on

::

these women outside of the

::

sex addiction and all that other stuff,

::

right?

::

Sure.

::

After I agree,

::

once you hit to feed me a stray cat,

::

that was the sign that this

::

thing is kicking off something crazy.

::

And then once he's off of the phone,

::

I think he had a night

::

where he just lost his shit.

::

Yeah.

::

And it's not real until he

::

gets back to the,

::

I keep calling it a gentleman's club,

::

but like the smokers, wherever they are.

::

An executive's club.

::

Yeah.

::

An executive's club.

::

Thank you.

::

Like that,

::

that was real because that's

::

when he started talking to

::

the lawyer and the lawyer's like,

::

what the fuck are you talking about?

::

Funny joke, Bateman.

::

He said Bateman's a loser.

::

I don't know if it was real

::

that he called Bateman a loser.

::

Am I confused?

::

What was Christian Bale's name in this?

::

No, you're right, Bateman.

::

But it's also confusing

::

because they mistake him

::

for other characters in the film.

::

Once Paul Allen goes missing,

::

they keep getting...

::

They keep getting Paul Allen

::

and Patrick Bateman confused.

::

At one point in time,

::

he sits down for a meal

::

with a woman who thinks he's Paul Allen.

::

Because he's telling them to call him that,

::

right?

::

Right, exactly.

::

So it's very confusing.

::

Because again,

::

Paul Allen is had the better

::

business card.

::

And so that at that point in time,

::

Patrick's like, no, no, no.

::

He's better than me.

::

I'm going to kill him.

::

I'm going to take him.

::

I'm going to take everything.

::

His name.

::

The only thing that has any worth,

::

which is his name,

::

which is is Patrick Bateman,

::

Patrick Bateman,

::

because his lawyer says

::

that's impossible.

::

Patrick Bateman is a loser

::

and he's a or is he talking

::

to Christian Bale?

::

But why would your lawyer

::

call you a loser?

::

Cause you just confessed to having a vice.

::

I don't know.

::

No, but the,

::

but the lawyer said that it

::

wasn't true because I just

::

had dinner with Paul in

::

London two nights ago.

::

So I took that two different ways.

::

And that was the part of the movie,

::

like right before it ended that,

::

that was like the one of the one,

::

two punch of like, Oh, this is cinema.

::

um because it's like you can

::

take it either way right

::

you can take it one way

::

where he's a good lawyer

::

and he's gonna know that if

::

he admits to literally

::

anything that he's saying

::

it's it's odds game over

::

he's guilty right but if he

::

says like no I saw that guy

::

you killed he's alive have

::

a good day like that feels

::

like a lawyer trick to me

::

um like a lawyer jedi mind

::

trick no I saw him I had

::

legalese no no no no I had

::

dinner with him yesterday

::

yeah I have a receipt right

::

and then the other is like

::

bateman literally has no

::

idea what's real and what's

::

not and and paul allen is

::

indeed alive and none of it

::

happened never went back to

::

his place never none of

::

that ever happened he just

::

imagined it after the

::

dinner the best reveal of

::

it was all a dream yes yes

::

Yeah.

::

I mean, I don't know.

::

For me,

::

I feel like it's the lawyer being like,

::

do not confess to a murder

::

in a public place, you bozo.

::

That's what I feel like it is.

::

I think it's the opposite.

::

Really?

::

I think it's playing the

::

other one you said, Brian,

::

where he's like,

::

he can't tell what's real or what isn't.

::

He can't separate the

::

fantasy from the reality.

::

Because your lawyer...

::

calling Patrick Bateman a loser.

::

And then the other part about, um, listen,

::

he, cause he says, listen,

::

you're freaking me out now because,

::

and I don't think that this

::

is funny because I had

::

dinner with him two nights ago in London.

::

I think that was a real statement of like,

::

When he laughed at him on

::

the phone and was like, dog,

::

that's not like,

::

that was fucking hilarious dog.

::

Like, how did you do that?

::

Like,

::

and maybe he did actually call him a

::

loser because he's saying, listen, dog,

::

you would never be able to

::

do no shit like that.

::

Because in reality,

::

not the one you try to put on,

::

you're a loser.

::

Right.

::

You would never be able to

::

do no shit like kill somebody.

::

Like, who do you think you are now?

::

Get your hands off me and

::

I'm walking away.

::

So I think it was the opposite.

::

Yeah.

::

Yeah.

::

Okay.

::

That's fascinating.

::

I feel like, yeah, I mean, Oh, sorry.

::

Cause at the end he says he

::

sits down and he can,

::

he cannot tell the difference.

::

He says, I have this insatiable,

::

there's something that I

::

can't feed or fix.

::

I can't feel anything.

::

I'm losing my grip with humanity.

::

Like I'm using my grip with reality,

::

humanity.

::

I do feel something or I

::

don't feel something, blah, blah, blah,

::

blah, blah.

::

I think that was his reality.

::

Like he could go down that path.

::

this is him pre-snap and

::

then he snaps oh that's

::

fascinating that was just

::

how I read it though I mean

::

then so okay so then are we

::

thinking everything that

::

happened in Paul Allen's

::

apartment the two murders

::

that occur there and

::

basically what he's keeping

::

as is like kill shed did that ever happen

::

It didn't happen because

::

when he walks in the apartment to me,

::

it didn't happen.

::

When he walks in the apartment,

::

the lady says, who are you?

::

He's looking for the two

::

dead bodies that were hung

::

up in the closet.

::

And he's looking at her and he's like,

::

I found this apartment in

::

the Times and she was like, yes,

::

you need to leave.

::

I don't know who you are,

::

but you need to leave.

::

Because I was also wondering,

::

how do you chase somebody

::

down a hallway with a

::

chainsaw and tennis shoes

::

and nobody else in the

::

fucking apartment hears anything?

::

I've always asked that question.

::

i every time I watch that

::

I'm like where does they

::

where do they live I don't

::

think that I think it's in

::

his head so it never

::

actually happened it's a

::

really good case for it

::

because I i so everyone's

::

gonna learn something about

::

me during that sequence it

::

is really intense that he's

::

chasing the the the woman

::

through the hallway

::

And it's really intense.

::

But then I started laughing

::

because he's wearing

::

sneakers with a chainsaw naked.

::

And I'm just like,

::

I probably shouldn't be laughing at this.

::

And that makes me want to laugh more.

::

And then they get to the

::

staircase and they're like,

::

my emotional level goes back down to like,

::

lady...

::

you need to run like like I

::

don't know if you're gonna

::

make it it's a movie right

::

but like I'm running for my

::

life in that situation and

::

then he throws the chainsaw

::

and I'm like what are we

::

doing here like and then it

::

hits her and I did start

::

laughing because I'm like

::

that's so improbable like

::

christian bale just killed

::

this lady on screen and I'm

::

laughing about you you're

::

laughing about it

::

um but it's like it's like

::

it's when this movie kind

::

of toes the line of like

::

that is so sinister and

::

like this is what is this

::

is comedy like this is so

::

improbable how would you

::

even hit someone with a

::

chainsaw 13 floors down

::

there's no way that could happen

::

Unless he thinks he's the most,

::

because this is what I got

::

from the police.

::

He thinks he's the most

::

phenomenal killer and most

::

exquisite killer in the fucking world.

::

Because at some point he's

::

shooting at the cops.

::

He makes the car blow up and

::

looks at his gun like,

::

how the fuck did I do that?

::

And he's got impeccable aim

::

because when the guy comes

::

out of the janitorial,

::

like he comes out of the elevator,

::

he turns around and nails

::

that motherfucker from the

::

door and kills him dead.

::

I said, oh,

::

this guy thinks he is like the

::

most well thought out fucking killer.

::

And I think that's the whole

::

movie is he thinks he's the fucking best.

::

The only time I think it was

::

real that he got close.

::

I'm sorry.

::

But it was like the nail gun

::

with his secretary.

::

I think that that was real.

::

Right.

::

I think that was very, very real.

::

And he didn't pull the trigger.

::

But that would have been the

::

night that he would because he says,

::

I'm afraid that if you stay,

::

I won't be able to control

::

myself and something like

::

I'm going to hurt you.

::

I think that was him almost snapping.

::

That was like him.

::

That would have been his first kill.

::

Yeah.

::

So let me introduce two

::

snafus into this from a

::

Screen Rant article.

::

The first is Mary Herron was

::

the person who directed the movie.

::

Amazing director.

::

This line from screen rant says,

::

while director Mary Herron

::

has adamantly refused that

::

the American psycho ending

::

explained the movie as

::

being all in Patrick's Bateman's head,

::

there's enough ambiguity

::

behind the events of the

::

story to suggest otherwise.

::

So she has never,

::

and she has refused to say, well,

::

all of it was in his head.

::

There's elements that are there.

::

The other theory is that on this one,

::

I liked, and I was kind of curious about,

::

um,

::

Patrick Bateman's killing of

::

Jared Leto's Allen in

::

American Psycho ending

::

explained that it could be

::

real since he ruined the career,

::

livelihood, and life of a rival,

::

and only Bateman's

::

conscience was clear enough

::

to see that this was a

::

monstrous act while

::

everybody else was saying

::

it was just good business.

::

Oh, okay.

::

Got it.

::

Okay, yeah.

::

Maybe that's part of it too.

::

So this is going to be one

::

of those things.

::

It's like Inception.

::

Yes,

::

it's going to be speculated on and

::

explained for a long time.

::

I'll share a link to that.

::

I like the allegory though.

::

Yeah, I do too.

::

I think it's accurate for

::

that world of like it's a

::

dog-eat-dog world and it's just –

::

And I like that even more

::

with the allegory and

::

metaphor of just like the

::

corporate world and like,

::

you have to kill your competition.

::

And like,

::

that's the only way you can-

::

We're the tip of the spear.

::

Right?

::

Or like, we need the boots on the ground,

::

right?

::

Like, it's like,

::

we're not in the military.

::

Like, we're just,

::

we're having a Zoom meeting.

::

Yeah.

::

um and I like that a lot

::

because it's so unnecessary

::

like in so much corpo lingo

::

of just like we need to

::

deploy this and we need to

::

we need to be on the up and

::

up with this no no daylight

::

in between you know like it

::

feels like you're you're a

::

hell diver um you know

::

fighting bugs in that game

::

and it's not um I know that reference

::

yeah like it's just hey hey

::

can you just send an email

::

do we have enough people on

::

the project do you think we

::

can get it done in time

::

like and instead we use all

::

these military terms we use

::

all these like life or

::

death type situations and

::

it's like this movie is

::

just such a good metaphor

::

of just like this is like

::

what you're thinking it is

::

but like literally all these guys do

::

is nothing and they sit

::

around talking about where

::

they can get reservations

::

and they do nothing they

::

contribute nothing they

::

don't provide anything

::

they're just there who is

::

the psycho yeah it's just

::

all of them because they

::

normalize what the fuck was

::

going on I mean pretty much

::

I mean, that's just how my viewpoint was.

::

You got a bunch of rich hoity-toity,

::

everything that Brian has said,

::

everything that Dougie said.

::

Some of it did happen

::

because you have to have

::

some of that based in what

::

he thinks is the reality.

::

I think that the killings

::

are over-exaggerations,

::

but it also is about this

::

insatiable greed

::

And this desire for more and

::

also this position of power

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to know I can do it and get away with it.

::

Because when he stabbed the

::

homeless person, he shot the lady.

::

He killed all these people.

::

He didn't really do any cleaning up.

::

He just walked into the other building,

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signed the fucking like the

::

sign up thing and just went

::

in the elevator and

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everything was fine because he got home.

::

Like that's a different

::

position of like power to say, well,

::

all I got to do is shoot

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everybody who I thought.

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I could see I could see Paul

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Allen being the first and

::

only murder that was real,

::

but it was the murder that

::

convinced him that he could

::

get away with it.

::

Like if he could kill powerful,

::

up and coming future ahead of him,

::

Paul Allen.

::

then he could kill a couple

::

of like hookers and then he

::

could kill a random

::

homeless person and get away with it.

::

And, and because he's that good.

::

So I could see in some version of this,

::

the explained of like the

::

murder of Paul Allen is real.

::

The rest of it is just the

::

depravity and insanity of

::

his own mind that he's

::

managed to convince himself

::

that he could do.

::

And that plays out in some

::

sort of fantasy.

::

I can see that too.

::

Yeah.

::

It's a, it's, I think it's a good movie.

::

Like, yeah.

::

Yeah.

::

I also want to say that I

::

feel like a lot of movies that we see,

::

we do critique like, Hey,

::

these sex scenes,

::

I don't really know if they're needed.

::

I'm not really sure what they add.

::

But this movie is like the

::

one in recent memory where I'm like, no,

::

you need this and you need

::

to see it because not

::

because of like the depravity,

::

but like it's directly

::

feeding Bateman's character.

::

And I think,

::

and I know this has been

::

commented on before, but I feel like,

::

the thesis of that is when

::

Bateman is like only

::

looking at himself during the act.

::

My favorite meme.

::

He's just pointing at himself.

::

He's not looking at the

::

people he's trying to be with.

::

He's only looking at himself.

::

That's not normal behavior.

::

Well,

::

sometimes that's why they got glass

::

mirrors on the ceiling in some places.

::

You know what I mean?

::

Yeah.

::

Now I want to Photoshop you

::

with the finger point.

::

Now that's what I... And

::

he's doing... He's flexing.

::

He's got good arms.

::

Man, I just... Anyway.

::

There was a lot of it in this movie.

::

There was a lot.

::

But it all made sense.

::

I will also say tasteful nudity.

::

I think it was like there were sex scenes.

::

You saw them having sex.

::

But it wasn't anything like...

::

I think the murder scenes

::

weren't too gory.

::

The sex scenes weren't too like, oh my God,

::

they're going buck wild.

::

You knew what was happening.

::

It was like a subtle titty

::

every now and then that would pop out.

::

But it was more about the

::

ambiance and the presence

::

that he was creating to set

::

those scenes up that made it feel like,

::

oh,

::

I'm not supposed to enjoy this sex scene.

::

He's doing something to kind

::

of make it feel icky a little bit.

::

Yeah.

::

That, I feel like,

::

is such a strength of this, right?

::

Because it shows, like, as a movie,

::

when that scene starts, he's like, you,

::

start dancing.

::

I'm like,

::

I feel so uncomfortable right now.

::

And you can tell the actress, like,

::

the actresses made it feel uncomfortable,

::

too.

::

What?

::

No, don't read it.

::

Just keep going.

::

We're going to keep going.

::

I can't help but now read it.

::

No, no, just keep going.

::

I'm going to back up my man, Marcus,

::

and we're going to keep going.

::

I'm not going to read it out loud,

::

but I am reading it to myself.

::

anyway I feel like some

::

movies could learn from no

::

it's not all I'm saying so

::

um but yeah I'm glad we

::

re-watched this I have to

::

like this was fun I haven't

::

watched this in a while I

::

haven't watched this in a

::

while I mean this is one of

::

those bedrock movies I feel

::

like because we had this as

::

a quote and I remember I

::

was like I don't remember

::

american psycho to remember

::

this quote so I'm really

::

glad we we did this review

::

it was fun to fun to revisit

::

Gentlemen, anything else?

::

Anything that you all have

::

to plug this week?

::

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::

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::

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Absolutely.

::

Marcus, what do you got?

::

Make sure you follow the mantra,

::

never offended, always humble.

::

I'm also going to start

::

throwing another slogan in here.

::

Remember, it's always five or 500,

::

whether you have five people, 15, 50, 500,

::

5 million,

::

they all get the same energy from you.

::

Five or 500.

::

Don't forget to follow the mantra,

::

never offended, always humble.

::

I've read it to myself.

::

It's also a fair question.

::

I want to plug... Doug the

::

Plug wants to talk about this podcast...

::

Hey,

::

if you enjoyed listening to our take

::

on American Psycho,

::

recommend it to a friend or

::

a family member.

::

Best way to share and to get

::

some growth and to get new

::

listeners is to share it that way.

::

If you're feeling generous,

::

head over to patreon.com

::

slash films in black and

::

white and sign up for one

::

of our tiers there.

::

We are a community-funded podcast,

::

so we greatly appreciate

::

the community that funds us.

::

So here's to looking out.

::

uh gentlemen we have a we

::

have a three-step process

::

to success brian lay us

::

down with that first step

::

hey folks I'm here to tell

::

you to read a book we have

::

a holiday weekend coming up

::

here's what I want you to

::

do I want you to just

::

choose a book that you've

::

been meaning to read and

::

put your phone like five

::

feet away because I know

::

how this goes you're like I

::

got free time I'm gonna

::

read my book and then you

::

start looking at your phone

::

put it five feet away makes

::

a huge difference you'll

::

actually get through that

::

book read a book

::

That second step is, look,

::

drink some water.

::

Hey, look,

::

we all like to party on the 4th of July.

::

But look,

::

all that beer is going to go down

::

and you're going to feel

::

really bloated and gross.

::

So make sure that you have a

::

glass of water or several

::

glasses of water.

::

Stay hydrated.

::

Your body will thank you.

::

Also, drink this.

::

Spoil yourself every now and

::

again to the nice water because, hey,

::

you deserve it.

::

So that's what I got.

::

Drink some water.

::

Marcus, bring us home.

::

You always want to make sure

::

that you wash your ass

::

after you drink your water,

::

after you read a book.

::

You want to make sure you wash your ass.

::

Get into the cracks and crevices.

::

Make sure everybody knows

::

that you are fresh and

::

clean because when you sit down,

::

there's a back draft and

::

you don't want anybody

::

smelling your back draft.

::

Make sure you wash your ass

::

and change your damn towels.

::

If they got bullet holes in them,

::

it's time to change your

::

towels and your loofah.

::

It might be time to change

::

your neighborhood if they

::

have bullet holes in them.

::

That's very true.

::

You might want to find

::

somewhere else to live.

::

Towels are expensive.

::

That does it for this week's

::

episode of Films of Black and White.

::

We'll be back next week with

::

another fantastic episode.

::

But in the meantime,

::

and in the between time, stay safe,

::

stay healthy.

::

We love y'all.

::

We appreciate y'all.

::

We'll catch y'all next week.

::

I really hope we don't get canceled.

::

Probably will.

::

That's okay.

::

Is it okay?

::

Sorry, Brian.

::

Brian didn't say anything.

::

No, but he's one-third,

::

so he's just as complacent.

::

If Marcus is going down,

::

we're all going down.

::

I don't know what the equation is here.

::

I'm not going to rain on

::

your parade if you're having a good time.

::

I don't know how to contribute.

::

Sorry, y'all.

::

It was a bad joke.

::

Shouldn't have said it.

::

That's on me.

::

I enjoyed it.

::

Stop saying that shit.

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