Alternative Realities on the Debt Limit and Paradigms. Debt Limit, what if it was a real thing and not a weapon of mass destruction?
Stephanie (Bell) Kelton’s white paper: https://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/wp244.pdf
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Everybody, it is Steve the Rogue Scholar, and today
Steve Grumbine:we are going to touch on something.
Steve Grumbine:Um, that most of us probably shouldn't have to give a shit about,
Steve Grumbine:and that is the death ceiling.
Steve Grumbine:And I'm really annoyed.
Steve Grumbine:I'm just, let me just be really frank here, really annoyed that
Steve Grumbine:this is even a conversation.
Steve Grumbine:I'm annoyed that we have to have it over and over again.
Steve Grumbine:I'm annoyed that it's used as a weapon.
Steve Grumbine:I'm annoyed that we continue to believe things.
Steve Grumbine:In fact, even the deputy, uh, secretary of the Treasury, um, says nonsense about
Steve Grumbine:borrowing money, uh, the US government's ability to borrow money and and so forth.
Steve Grumbine:Um, there's a, there's an entire thing, man.
Steve Grumbine:There's an entire kinda like narrative around this.
Steve Grumbine:Um, you know, the death ceiling construct went all the way back to World War I.
Steve Grumbine:In fact, Stephanie Kelton was just on M P R talking about this.
Steve Grumbine:Um, she got to sit around with people that weren't necessarily,
Steve Grumbine:uh, straight shooters.
Steve Grumbine:Um, but the reality of it all is, is that the dead ceiling
Steve Grumbine:was set up during World War I.
Steve Grumbine:It was supposed to facilitate and help with making sure that bills were paid
Steve Grumbine:and paid on time in the midst of war, um, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Steve Grumbine:But here's the thing.
Steve Grumbine:It's a statutory law.
Steve Grumbine:It's a law that came much later.
Steve Grumbine:We have a constitutional amendment, the 14th Amendment that says that the United
Steve Grumbine:States debt shall not be questioned.
Steve Grumbine:It, it, the validity of it shall never be questioned, okay?
Steve Grumbine:And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the United States
Steve Grumbine:Constitution has a higher standing than some random law passed later.
Steve Grumbine:So the question is, how will Joe Biden approach this?
Steve Grumbine:Because whether you would think this is real, and they're all sitting there
Steve Grumbine:really, really trying to work it out.
Steve Grumbine:They're working it out.
Steve Grumbine:They're, they're, they're hanging out and they're, they're wrestling with these
Steve Grumbine:ideas and they're trying to work it out.
Steve Grumbine:If you really believe that, okay, we'll talk that way too.
Steve Grumbine:Or if you believe this is political theater and they pop these things up every
Steve Grumbine:so often to keep us on pins and needles.
Steve Grumbine:Uh, and then they do whatever hostage taking they're going to do.
Steve Grumbine:In fact, I think, uh, what's his name?
Steve Grumbine:McConnell recently said, this is a hostage you want to take.
Steve Grumbine:Man, it's worth taking.
Steve Grumbine:There's, there's value to be gleaned from the hostage taking that is
Steve Grumbine:the debt ceiling, but, If you also listen, I want to take you back
Steve Grumbine:momentarily to an interview I did with Raw and Gray on the subject.
Steve Grumbine:And he talked about the statutory limits of various types of debts, the, the types
Steve Grumbine:of debt limit for each type of thing.
Steve Grumbine:And there was, you know, bond issuance from the treasury.
Steve Grumbine:There was coins, which is why you hear typically conversation about
Steve Grumbine:minting the coin because the coins, there is no debt limit on that
Steve Grumbine:there, there's no borrowing per se.
Steve Grumbine:We can just simply create a coin of any, um, denomination and any value
Steve Grumbine:that we want and simply deposit and be done with it right now.
Steve Grumbine:Obviously people like Randall Ray have spoken, um, in other papers
Steve Grumbine:that, hey, this meant the coin things and neat idea to get rid of this.
Steve Grumbine:However, I'd like to attack it straight up and just get rid of the thing.
Steve Grumbine:The problem is, is that why in the world would Republicans give up
Steve Grumbine:the opportunity to hijack spending?
Steve Grumbine:And also why would Democrats give up the ability to hijack spending when they
Steve Grumbine:can go ahead when they're out of power and they can kind of play games with,
Steve Grumbine:uh, the Republicans in the reverse.
Steve Grumbine:Let's be fair, typically these games are conducted by the Republicans,
Steve Grumbine:and that could be just the cosplay of the government that they're
Steve Grumbine:doing, or that could be real.
Steve Grumbine:My, my belief system doesn't allow me to take this stuff too seriously
Steve Grumbine:because when I hear elected officials talking about United States government
Steve Grumbine:borrowing money, I immediately think this person is either fucking lying,
Steve Grumbine:they're an idiot, or they're a paid actor.
Steve Grumbine:There is no valid excuse for saying the US government borrows money from anyone.
Steve Grumbine:It literally is the patent holder.
Steve Grumbine:It's the creator of a unit of account of, of a inch, uh,
Steve Grumbine:you know, a pound, whatever.
Steve Grumbine:So why in the world would the United States government borrow money?
Steve Grumbine:And you can go through the debt limit history and the debt ceiling
Steve Grumbine:history and it's fascinating.
Steve Grumbine:There's lots of neat stories that you can go back to World War I
Steve Grumbine:and read it on up to present.
Steve Grumbine:And you can see how these games have been played consistently.
Steve Grumbine:I, I mean it's really ratcheted up here of late and I don't know that
Steve Grumbine:there's any end in sight because you know, when we talk about it, it's the
Steve Grumbine:most plain in your face subject of all time to me, but to other people
Steve Grumbine:that really believe the United States government borrows money from China.
Steve Grumbine:There are people that really believe this.
Steve Grumbine:I'd like to know how China is able to print US dollars to lend back to the us
Steve Grumbine:but that's another story for another day.
Steve Grumbine:A lot of people think this stuff.
Steve Grumbine:You can't shake it.
Steve Grumbine:And then worse, there's smart people that go full metal, stupid and believe
Steve Grumbine:that the United States government borrows from commercial private banks.
Steve Grumbine:It just goes out and takes out a loan.
Steve Grumbine:And that its credit rating is really important.
Steve Grumbine:Or also it'll hurt.
Steve Grumbine:Its chances of getting loans in the future.
Steve Grumbine:The more you say it, harder it is to believe that.
Steve Grumbine:It's not like you just complete murderous intent that they
Steve Grumbine:keep this lie going but worse.
Steve Grumbine:Your friends, your friends, repeat this, your friends repeat this ad nauseum hell,
Steve Grumbine:some of you all probably repeat this.
Steve Grumbine:There's probably a few of you watching right now that are the kind of person
Steve Grumbine:that thinks, oh my God, I don't wanna pass the debt to my grandchildren.
Steve Grumbine:Right?
Steve Grumbine:And so each year the president puts together a budget.
Steve Grumbine:He submits his budget.
Steve Grumbine:To Congress who passes a non-binding resolution to approve the budget.
Steve Grumbine:Now, budget, because it's approved, doesn't mean that that money is approved.
Steve Grumbine:It's only approved when there's a bill that's been passed
Steve Grumbine:that those dollars are spent.
Steve Grumbine:Now the problem is this, and if you go back to the video I did a few weeks
Steve Grumbine:back where I drew out the flows and how spending actually occurs, okay?
Steve Grumbine:The United States government has a T G A or a, uh, Treasury's general account.
Steve Grumbine:And in order to pay bills, there needs to be money in the treasury's general
Steve Grumbine:account, or at least keystrokes, numbers, whatever, in their general account.
Steve Grumbine:And what happens is, every single day the United States government
Steve Grumbine:pays tons and tons and tons, billions of dollars in bills.
Steve Grumbine:And it also, quote unquote, brings in revenue of billions of
Steve Grumbine:billions of dollars of tax revenue.
Steve Grumbine:Okay.
Steve Grumbine:Taxes aren't paid at the end of the year.
Steve Grumbine:They're paid throughout the year.
Steve Grumbine:Deposits are constantly made in the treasurer's general account.
Steve Grumbine:They're constantly pulled back, but this is all smoke screen.
Steve Grumbine:Even the T G A is a fucking smoke screen.
Steve Grumbine:Okay.
Steve Grumbine:The whole thing is a smoke screen.
Steve Grumbine:And I'm not saying this in the traditional way that people that
Steve Grumbine:don't understand this stuff, so yeah, it's a SIOP or whatever, right?
Steve Grumbine:Whatever, whatever things that people don't understand the stuff say to cover up
Steve Grumbine:the fact that they don't know what they're saying, those things, we're not talking
Steve Grumbine:that cuz we do know what we're saying.
Steve Grumbine:Okay?
Steve Grumbine:But the Treasury's general account, it's just a silly little thing that
Steve Grumbine:they use to make payments out of.
Steve Grumbine:There's no reason that they could not have an overdraft.
Steve Grumbine:There's no reason that they couldn't do that other than the
Steve Grumbine:fact that there's a rule on the books that says you can't do that.
Steve Grumbine:So there's all these little rules they put in place that are like bullshit.
Steve Grumbine:They don't really mean anything.
Steve Grumbine:It's like, Telling your child that they won't get pregnant if they put an aspirin
Steve Grumbine:between their knees and they actually put the aspirin between their knees.
Steve Grumbine:Okay.
Steve Grumbine:This is the kind of stuff that the debt ceiling, the treasury's general
Steve Grumbine:account, all these things are their props to give legitimacy to all this hand
Steve Grumbine:ringing and all this voodoo logic, okay?
Steve Grumbine:Of how hard it is and how we gotta borrow money.
Steve Grumbine:And the treasury's gotta issue treasury bonds out there, blah, blah, blah.
Steve Grumbine:But what is a bond?
Steve Grumbine:A bond is nothing more than a savings account.
Steve Grumbine:That's it.
Steve Grumbine:A bond is a savings account with specific instructions
Steve Grumbine:for when it comes to maturity.
Steve Grumbine:In other words, like a savings account.
Steve Grumbine:You just put your money in a savings account and it could stay
Steve Grumbine:in there Yeah, forever, right?
Steve Grumbine:And whatever the interest rate is, it's 1%, 2%, whatever.
Steve Grumbine:That savings account will continue to grow in the fashion in which you agreed.
Steve Grumbine:To take on the savings.
Steve Grumbine:Well, that is all A bond is as well.
Steve Grumbine:That's all A bond is.
Steve Grumbine:The difference is, is that it's, it's got a timer on it.
Steve Grumbine:Okay.
Steve Grumbine:It might be a six month timer.
Steve Grumbine:It might be a one year timer.
Steve Grumbine:It might be a five year timer.
Steve Grumbine:Okay.
Steve Grumbine:And the intent there is there's a penalty to pulling your money out
Steve Grumbine:before that timer strikes zero.
Steve Grumbine:Okay.
Steve Grumbine:And so with all that, with all that, I think it's important to take a
Steve Grumbine:step back and recognize that anything that we try to do, any possible idea
Steve Grumbine:that we come up with for how to get around the debt ceiling is missing the
Steve Grumbine:fundamental point that the debt ceiling, they don't want to get around it.
Steve Grumbine:They're not looking for a way around the debt ceiling.
Steve Grumbine:This is why Joe Biden hasn't come right out and done the 14th Amendment yet, okay?
Steve Grumbine:Because once he does the 14th Amendment, once he pulls the 14th
Steve Grumbine:Amendment, it can never be unpled.
Steve Grumbine:The 14th Amendment will suddenly be the way it works, period.
Steve Grumbine:And you can effectively end all debt ceiling debates going forward, because
Steve Grumbine:you know that the 14th Amendment, which says that the United States government
Steve Grumbine:will always pay its bills, okay?
Steve Grumbine:And if that 14th amendment holds up against this rando law, which it
Steve Grumbine:would in any logical sense, it would absolutely be the end of it all.
Steve Grumbine:Well, what happens when the Democrats aren't in power or
Steve Grumbine:they are in power and vice versa?
Steve Grumbine:They use these tools as a means of hijacking.
Steve Grumbine:A political agenda has absolutely nothing to do with actually saving
Steve Grumbine:the country money or preserving the debts who our grandchildren
Steve Grumbine:don't, you know, take on this stuff.
Steve Grumbine:The overall debt is over 31 trillion in the United States.
Steve Grumbine:Think about that.
Steve Grumbine:31 trillion in debt.
Steve Grumbine:Now, what that means in the real world is that we've got 31 trillion and basically
Steve Grumbine:securities of some sort of, and actually is the net money supply to a penny.
Steve Grumbine:To the penny.
Steve Grumbine:It's the sum total of every untaxed dollar in existence.
Steve Grumbine:Okay, now, The interesting thing is, is that because there are
Steve Grumbine:types of debts, the debt ceiling doesn't pertain to all of them.
Steve Grumbine:It only pertains to the United States government sending out treasuries to
Steve Grumbine:authorize additional deficit spending.
Steve Grumbine:That's it.
Steve Grumbine:To bring in cash to sell treasuries, and that'll go into the treasuries,
Steve Grumbine:general account, fava, blah, blah, blah.
Steve Grumbine:It's all smokescreen though, folks.
Steve Grumbine:It's all a smokescreen.
Steve Grumbine:Now, one of the funny things I heard today, let's see if you guys find
Steve Grumbine:this nearly as funny as I do, because you're gonna see it ties together
Steve Grumbine:with an awful lot of other issues.
Steve Grumbine:If the debt ceiling isn't lifted, guess what?
Steve Grumbine:Payments can't be made.
Steve Grumbine:Social security payments can't be made.
Steve Grumbine:Just that alone.
Steve Grumbine:I don't wanna take on all the other things, just, just social
Steve Grumbine:security for a minute, right?
Steve Grumbine:Uh, if you paid.
Steve Grumbine:Into the Social Security Trust fund and the trust fund was really a thing.
Steve Grumbine:You wouldn't have to worry about the treasury and the debt ceiling
Steve Grumbine:to make treasury bill payments of Social Security, but you'd have to
Steve Grumbine:be thinking to get this part, your brain would have to be operational.
Steve Grumbine:It would have to have sparked synapses firing.
Steve Grumbine:There'd have to be light behind the eyes to see this, okay?
Steve Grumbine:Most people, the candles turned off completely.
Steve Grumbine:Okay.
Steve Grumbine:Once again, each of these stories is a lie.
Steve Grumbine:It's all a lie, right?
Steve Grumbine:Yes.
Steve Grumbine:There is a law in the books about the debt ceiling, about, which was,
Steve Grumbine:like I said, brought about during World War I, but it's a farce.
Steve Grumbine:So when they talked about minting the trillion dollar coin, As a workaround
Steve Grumbine:around the debt seal, let's assume they really, truly want a workaround this way.
Steve Grumbine:Okay?
Steve Grumbine:They would take a coin, maybe it's this small, maybe it's this pig rolling it
Steve Grumbine:down the road and deposit it at the Fed.
Steve Grumbine:Who would then in turn markup the treasury's general account and they would
Steve Grumbine:never have to worry about any of these issues with overpayments or underpayments
Steve Grumbine:or not having enough cash to clear.
Steve Grumbine:Cuz every year the, you know, you have that resolution for what the
Steve Grumbine:budget is every year it's set.
Steve Grumbine:Every year they agree to a certain amount that they'll pay.
Steve Grumbine:Well the depositing the trillion dollar coin in there literally is absurd enough
Steve Grumbine:to block out any of this nonsense.
Steve Grumbine:Okay.
Steve Grumbine:So I'm, before I start taking questions, cuz I'm seeing some
Steve Grumbine:questions in the, in the chat, let me just finish what I'm seeing here.
Steve Grumbine:So you watched as Paul Ryan and, uh, Alan Greenspan years ago fought about
Steve Grumbine:the solvency of the, uh, uh, what do you want to call this, uh, the
Steve Grumbine:solvency of the Social security system.
Steve Grumbine:And you know, when you realize that even Alan Greenspan, who was Reagan's guy who
Steve Grumbine:was Clinton's guy, I mean, this is a guy who's the, one of the worst people on
Steve Grumbine:the planet, neoliberal to the extreme.
Steve Grumbine:Okay?
Steve Grumbine:Not above any kind of shitty shenanigans, but he had the ultimate.
Steve Grumbine:Actual act of honesty as he pushed back against Paul Ryan.
Steve Grumbine:Um, I think I may actually have the video of this.
Steve Grumbine:Let me see if I have the video still on him.
Steve Grumbine:I do have the video on hand.
Steve Grumbine:Let's go ahead and watch this together real quick.
Paul Ryan:So, having personal retirement accounts is a, is another way of
Paul Ryan:making a, a future retiree benefits more secure for their retirement.
Paul Ryan:And also, do you believe that personal retirement accounts as a
Paul Ryan:component to a system to solvency does help improve solvency?
Paul Ryan:Because when you have a personal retirement account policy, it,
Paul Ryan:it's a company with a benefit offset with that feature in place.
Paul Ryan:Do you believe that personal retirement accounts can help us achieve solvency
Paul Ryan:for the system and make those future retiree benefits more secure?
Alan Greenspan:Well, I, I wouldn't say that the, uh, pay as you go benefits
Alan Greenspan:are insecure in the sense that, uh, There's nothing to prevent the federal
Alan Greenspan:government from creating as much money as it wants and paying it to somebody.
Alan Greenspan:The question is, how do you set up a system which assures that the
Alan Greenspan:real assets are created, which those benefits are employed to purchase?
Alan Greenspan:So it's not a question of security, it's a question of the structure of a
Alan Greenspan:financial system, which assures that the real resources are created for
Alan Greenspan:retirement as distinct from the cash.
Alan Greenspan:The cash itself is nice to have, but uh, it's got to be in the context of
Alan Greenspan:the real resources being created at the time those benefits are paid so that
Alan Greenspan:you can purchase real resources with the benefits, which of course are cash.
Alan Greenspan:Mm-hmm.
Steve Grumbine:Anyway, I'd never get tired of seeing Paul Ryan
Steve Grumbine:go, Uhhuh, uhhuh, like, like just the hilariousness of it all.
Steve Grumbine:It, it, it, it's beyond comedy, right?
Steve Grumbine:So here's the deal.
Steve Grumbine:I'm gonna go up here and answer a few questions that came up here.
Steve Grumbine:Carpe DM says, Steve, how much would it matter if China cashed out?
Steve Grumbine:20%, 40%, 90%, a hundred percent of its secure treasuries.
Steve Grumbine:Not at all.
Steve Grumbine:All right, let's talk about this for just a second.
Steve Grumbine:And, and, and it's very frustrating cuz as you know, There's a lot of
Steve Grumbine:folks out there who had a problem with a lot of people regarding Ivermectin
Steve Grumbine:and Fauci and all that stuff.
Steve Grumbine:So instead of agreeing to disagree on vaccines, they went the full Monty and
Steve Grumbine:they listened to trash platforms that pump up nonsense about China and Dad and
Steve Grumbine:Bitcoin and other things I see out there.
Steve Grumbine:I know who you are.
Steve Grumbine:I know the people out there that gave up on real honest reporting and went off and
Steve Grumbine:chased these people and said, ah, I can put up with every other lie they tell.
Steve Grumbine:As long as they tell me good things about Ivermectin.
Steve Grumbine:I see you.
Steve Grumbine:I know who you are, you.
Steve Grumbine:Your Ivermectin moment is over, but the rest of this debt stuff you fucked us on.
Steve Grumbine:It's here to stay, baby, all because you sold out for a Ivermectin deal.
Steve Grumbine:It's gone.
Steve Grumbine:It's over.
Steve Grumbine:It's done.
Steve Grumbine:But not the debt and not all the shit we've gotta deal with because of it and
Steve Grumbine:because you gave rise to these shitty platforms that pump up all this nonsense.
Steve Grumbine:About debt deficits, China and all the other crap.
Steve Grumbine:Well, we're fucked now.
Steve Grumbine:Thank you.
Steve Grumbine:Give yourself a round of applause.
Steve Grumbine:Pat yourself on the back.
Steve Grumbine:Sure.
Steve Grumbine:Joe Rogan and others congratulate you for that.
Steve Grumbine:All right.
Steve Grumbine:That's said.
Steve Grumbine:Put my gun back in my holster here for a moment.
Steve Grumbine:When I think about China, China literally sells huge amounts of goods
Steve Grumbine:and services into the United States.
Steve Grumbine:And when China sells goods and services into the United
Steve Grumbine:States, it receives US dollars.
Steve Grumbine:Okay?
Steve Grumbine:It receives US dollars.
Steve Grumbine:Now, what it does with those dollars is another thing altogether, because
Steve Grumbine:it's still gotta be able to facilitate transactions done in US dollars.
Steve Grumbine:If they sell off all their treasuries, it's just gonna
Steve Grumbine:make it harder to do business.
Steve Grumbine:Nothing more than that.
Steve Grumbine:Warren Moses says, all we owe China is a bank statement.
Steve Grumbine:Okay?
Steve Grumbine:Now ask yourself the safest investment bar none is United States treasuries.
Steve Grumbine:There's nowhere in the world you can put your money.
Steve Grumbine:Regardless of this debt ceiling stuff, there is nowhere in the world that
Steve Grumbine:you can put your money safer than in the United States treasuries period.
Steve Grumbine:Okay?
Steve Grumbine:Now, part of the problem here is, is that if that if we don't pay our bills,
Steve Grumbine:it will rock the confidence in the dollar, and people may not wanna buy
Steve Grumbine:treasuries and blah, blah, blah, right?
Steve Grumbine:Well, if you listen to M M T or at all, and you should maybe not on
Steve Grumbine:all their political stuff, but you should definitely understand it in
Steve Grumbine:terms of the legal framework and in terms of the monetary system.
Steve Grumbine:Okay?
Steve Grumbine:With that in mind, you gotta understand that China.
Steve Grumbine:Has to do business with us or they don't.
Steve Grumbine:If they choose not to do business with us, we would find a replacement.
Steve Grumbine:They would find a replacement to do business with.
Steve Grumbine:We would find a replacement.
Steve Grumbine:But one of the reasons why China is not like a great place to store your
Steve Grumbine:money, save your money in China.
Steve Grumbine:Cause they don't have a robust finance system.
Steve Grumbine:That's not good.
Steve Grumbine:It's quite frankly, I'd love to get rid of all this finance all together.
Steve Grumbine:Okay.
Steve Grumbine:I'm tired of Wall Street, but the people that have faith in the dollar confidence,
Steve Grumbine:ain't you and I, you and I don't have a say so in what we do, you and I go to the
Steve Grumbine:store and we buy whatever we have to buy.
Steve Grumbine:We buy it with whatever we have in our pocket.
Steve Grumbine:But these are the countries that big investors and stuff like that, the
Steve Grumbine:ones that you're worried about having confidence, you know your rich people
Steve Grumbine:that you're always complaining about, oh, I wonder if this rich oligarch
Steve Grumbine:has a confidence in the dollar.
Steve Grumbine:I really care what that rich oligarch does.
Steve Grumbine:Right?
Steve Grumbine:Assuming for a minute that.
Steve Grumbine:They wanted to get away from the us.
Steve Grumbine:There's no safer place to put your money than in the us.
Steve Grumbine:Now, Biden and others have done a hell of a job of shaking that confidence by
Steve Grumbine:cutting off Russia from the Swift system that certainly didn't do any favors, okay?
Steve Grumbine:Certainly did not do any favors.
Steve Grumbine:However, however, it's important to understand that it wouldn't do shit.
Steve Grumbine:Okay?
Steve Grumbine:Somebody's gonna take those dollars, and if not the US, just write it down.
Steve Grumbine:It's not a big deal at all.
Steve Grumbine:That's their savings account.
Steve Grumbine:That's the Chinese savings account.
Steve Grumbine:If they don't want that, who cares?
Steve Grumbine:We'll sell those bonds to someone else, okay?
Steve Grumbine:They'll sell those goods to someone else.
Steve Grumbine:They don't, it doesn't matter.
Steve Grumbine:And then let's just say hypothetically, no one else will buy the US debt.
Steve Grumbine:In other words, they won't buy any more US bonds cuz they've lost confidence.
Steve Grumbine:Whatever trash you hear out there, fucking flush it.
Steve Grumbine:Okay?
Steve Grumbine:The real deal is the US buys its own debt up, just like
Steve Grumbine:Japan bought its own debt up.
Steve Grumbine:Why?
Steve Grumbine:Because it's not really debt folks.
Steve Grumbine:You wanna stop seeing debt, stop selling bonds, you wanna stop selling bonds?
Steve Grumbine:Well, you better be prepared for all the pension plans that rely
Steve Grumbine:on bonds to keep them steady, even in good times and bad times.
Steve Grumbine:You know, it's like, you know when you get your own personal investment
Steve Grumbine:portfolio, you have a certain small amount, and I'm saying this for people
Steve Grumbine:that have 401ks and stuff that you.
Steve Grumbine:You work at Walmart, they provide you with a 401K at this point.
Steve Grumbine:Okay?
Steve Grumbine:I'm not saying everybody has one.
Steve Grumbine:This is still elite world here, but most people when they go into a job and they
Steve Grumbine:get hired and they're not a contractor, have access to some sort of savings plan.
Steve Grumbine:Within that savings plan, it tells you the breakup of all the different investments.
Steve Grumbine:Are you old?
Steve Grumbine:If you're old, you may want to take a much more safe way, which they
Steve Grumbine:would dump it a lot of it into bonds.
Steve Grumbine:If you're young and you have risk, you might dump it into some risk.
Steve Grumbine:Your more perspective type investments, whatever.
Steve Grumbine:So there's this whole pie chart of how your investments are broken out.
Steve Grumbine:We don't need, we collectively don't need to finance our pensions with bonds.
Steve Grumbine:We could literally make it a point that the federal government takes all those
Steve Grumbine:pension plans on period, fully funds them, could do anything, could literally do it.
Steve Grumbine:Dollar for dollar.
Steve Grumbine:It could even fund it more than it's doing now.
Steve Grumbine:Okay.
Steve Grumbine:But because we can't fucking get out of our own way and we can't use
Steve Grumbine:our brains, this brain's in short supply these days, apparently we're
Steve Grumbine:content with this bond situation.
Steve Grumbine:And those bonds are important elements to pensioners and savings
Steve Grumbine:accounts and people that are saving for retirement, IRAs, whatever.
Steve Grumbine:Very, very important, especially for folks, older folks that are really coming
Steve Grumbine:close to the end of their working lives or productive lives in terms of making money.
Steve Grumbine:And now they've gotta find a way to survive the last
Steve Grumbine:20, 30 years of their life.
Steve Grumbine:And so these are the ways they do it, but even that could be directly
Steve Grumbine:funded without this mirage of bonds, the need for bonds and all this crap.
Steve Grumbine:Okay.
Steve Grumbine:The government sells bonds.
Steve Grumbine:They sell bonds to defend a positive interest rate.
Steve Grumbine:Okay, well that interest rate could be set to permanent zero.
Steve Grumbine:Okay.
Steve Grumbine:Could be set to permanent zero.
Steve Grumbine:And as Randy raise says, we could stop selling bonds altogether.
Steve Grumbine:Now you could have Federal reserve notes that are turned into bonds.
Steve Grumbine:You conf fed could sell bonds to people, others could sell bonds to me, and they
Steve Grumbine:can make a decision to pay a certain amount of interest for those bonds.
Steve Grumbine:Okay.
Steve Grumbine:Somebody just said something and I'm gonna repeat.
Steve Grumbine:I'm gonna say something.
Steve Grumbine:It really is highly offensive when, when I see someone say this, okay,
Steve Grumbine:you cannot print money forever.
Steve Grumbine:First of all, just don't say these things.
Steve Grumbine:I'm giving you permission to back away.
Steve Grumbine:I'm not gonna make this a long point because I'm assuming you just
Steve Grumbine:don't understand what you're saying.
Steve Grumbine:The government always digitally prints money every single time it spends.
Steve Grumbine:And every single time it taxes, it digitally removes and
Steve Grumbine:deletes and destroys currency.
Steve Grumbine:It doesn't respend it.
Steve Grumbine:So it's not like they're just filling the thing up and just printing money.
Steve Grumbine:That is the most uneducated thing to say.
Steve Grumbine:We don't wanna do that.
Steve Grumbine:We want to be the smart ones.
Steve Grumbine:We never want to be the people that say things that aren't smart, and
Steve Grumbine:that's something that's not smart.
Steve Grumbine:That's something we've all probably said at some point in time.
Steve Grumbine:It's something we should never say again because it's not
Steve Grumbine:even in the realm of truth.
Steve Grumbine:It's, it's a lie.
Steve Grumbine:Right?
Steve Grumbine:It's not true.
Steve Grumbine:It's a fairytale.
Steve Grumbine:It's a myth.
Steve Grumbine:It's a legend.
Steve Grumbine:It's a lie.
Steve Grumbine:It's a nothing burger.
Steve Grumbine:Okay.
Steve Grumbine:We don't print money.
Steve Grumbine:We, there's enough money printed to satisfy atm, uh, and teller transactions
Steve Grumbine:and for people that wanna hold some cash.
Steve Grumbine:That's it.
Steve Grumbine:The rest of it is digitally created via keystrokes.
Steve Grumbine:And when money is spent, keystrokes into an account.
Steve Grumbine:And when it's taxed out, he strokes remove it out.
Steve Grumbine:That's it.
Steve Grumbine:That's it.
Steve Grumbine:Full stop.
Steve Grumbine:Anyone?
Steve Grumbine:No, you can't do it forever.
Steve Grumbine:All these things are lies that breed austerity.
Steve Grumbine:The rich never suffer, by the way, they never suffer these things that
Steve Grumbine:the people at the bottom fight over.
Steve Grumbine:Yeah, you can't print money forever.
Steve Grumbine:And the ritual happened.
Steve Grumbine:They're like, Hey, where are we going on vacation?
Steve Grumbine:You wanna fly to Paris tonight?
Steve Grumbine:Sure, let's do it.
Steve Grumbine:The person trying to get food on their tables, like, God,
Steve Grumbine:there's not enough money.
Steve Grumbine:And so, well, you can't print money forever.
Steve Grumbine:We don't do that around here.
Steve Grumbine:We, we try to only save worthful things, not things like that.
Steve Grumbine:So it's no offense to you, victory over.
Steve Grumbine:I just wanna make sure we get this shit straight.
Steve Grumbine:Now, if you understand that the debt ceiling is not about
Steve Grumbine:the overall national debt.
Steve Grumbine:The debt ceiling is about the annual budget, and that's why there's an
Steve Grumbine:annual battle over the debt ceiling.
Steve Grumbine:So when the president passes a budget and you get up to the point of what the
Steve Grumbine:allowable debt is for that month, when I say debt again, it's selling treasuries.
Steve Grumbine:And when do we sell?
Steve Grumbine:Trish, ask yourself this.
Steve Grumbine:When do we sell treasuries?
Steve Grumbine:Do we sell treasuries before we spend to get money?
Steve Grumbine:Or do we send sell treasuries after we spend?
Steve Grumbine:We sell treasuries after we spend.
Steve Grumbine:Why?
Steve Grumbine:Because it's not a funding operation.
Steve Grumbine:Okay.
Steve Grumbine:It's not a funding operation.
Steve Grumbine:So there was a paper kelton put out long, long, long time ago.
Steve Grumbine:And that paper that she put out was Ken Taxes and Bonds
Steve Grumbine:finance, government spending.
Steve Grumbine:And she went through the whole stabs and tabs thing.
Steve Grumbine:This is a white paper, peer-reviewed white paper.
Steve Grumbine:I suggest everyone go out and read it.
Steve Grumbine:It's under the name Stephanie Bell.
Steve Grumbine:In fact, uh, somebody wants to look it up.
Steve Grumbine:They can do it.
Steve Grumbine:I've done it too many times.
Steve Grumbine:Somebody please that, particularly if there's an admin from the team.
Steve Grumbine:Go out there and drop Stephanie Bell's.
Steve Grumbine:Um, uh, white paper in about canned bonds, uh, finance governments, my
Steve Grumbine:bonds and taxes and taxes and bonds.
Steve Grumbine:Literally do not do this.
Steve Grumbine:All right.
Steve Grumbine:Um, so that's said, that's said this concept is going to keep going on and on,
Steve Grumbine:and it's never going to impact the rich.
Steve Grumbine:I want you to understand that these debt sailing battles
Steve Grumbine:is not impacting the wealthy.
Steve Grumbine:This is not hurting the wealthy.
Steve Grumbine:Yes, somebody may get a delayed payment once they, um, once they actually, uh,
Steve Grumbine:you know, look at a, anyway, I, I'm gonna, I'm gonna skip past that momentarily.
Steve Grumbine:So, right now the Republicans are holding hostage all the spending.
Steve Grumbine:They're trying to roll back things like, uh, the student debt support.
Steve Grumbine:It was minimal.
Steve Grumbine:Folks, Biden's, student debt relief was like nothing.
Steve Grumbine:It didn't even cover the interest for most people.
Steve Grumbine:Okay?
Steve Grumbine:We're talking about a very, very meager thing, but they're gonna claw it back.
Steve Grumbine:They're gonna use it to hold it hostage.
Steve Grumbine:The next thing, the most important one of that is that, quite frankly,
Steve Grumbine:if we go through this every year, then you should be able to have historical
Steve Grumbine:record of going through this every year.
Steve Grumbine:And there is a historical record.
Steve Grumbine:Most of the times they just simply do it without any fight.
Steve Grumbine:There's no fight.
Steve Grumbine:There's no fight.
Steve Grumbine:But here recently, there has become a constant fight.
Steve Grumbine:And it's a constant battle because why?
Steve Grumbine:What have mm, tears poorly done?
Steve Grumbine:Mm, tears.
Steve Grumbine:First of all, poorly stuck together.
Steve Grumbine:They got too many little clicks running off in their own little ways.
Steve Grumbine:Um, but the other thing that MMTs haven't done is made the case not just
Steve Grumbine:to Democrats, who still consistently say the most stupid shit about
Steve Grumbine:their hard-earned tax dollars, okay?
Steve Grumbine:But it's the Republicans.
Steve Grumbine:Now, if we were Republicans, let's say, and maybe one of you is out
Steve Grumbine:there, I don't know why, I don't know.
Steve Grumbine:But let's just say you were, and you really believe in your heart
Steve Grumbine:of hearts that the government is taking on unsustainable debt.
Steve Grumbine:That they're just printing up money that you're printing away, man.
Steve Grumbine:Print, print money.
Steve Grumbine:God damn.
Steve Grumbine:They're devaluing the dollar, right?
Steve Grumbine:Nevermind the fact that we're not on a gold standard anymore.
Steve Grumbine:So we don't have a base to devalue.
Steve Grumbine:We don't have a base to dease.
Steve Grumbine:It's a free floating fiat currency.
Steve Grumbine:So nevermind the fact that it's completely bullshit.
Steve Grumbine:All right?
Steve Grumbine:I used to say it's real in fantasy world, right?
Steve Grumbine:If you believe that you're handing off debt to your grandchildren and you've
Steve Grumbine:been working tirelessly to ensure you don't have any debt to pass on to your
Steve Grumbine:grandkid, why the hell should the country pass on debt to my grandchildren when in
Steve Grumbine:reality it's just to pay for Johnny over there transitioning to Juanita, they're
Steve Grumbine:using my tax dollars to let children transition trans males to females.
Steve Grumbine:What the hell's going on?
Steve Grumbine:Right?
Steve Grumbine:It's like all this nonsense.
Steve Grumbine:I think I on and they be, well, my, my hard-earned tax dollars
Steve Grumbine:should not be paying for abortions.
Steve Grumbine:Right.
Steve Grumbine:Should not be paying for abortions la Right.
Steve Grumbine:And so because we have not explained in spades that taxes are revenue, and as
Steve Grumbine:war Moser says, it comes from the old French word revere, which means returned.
Steve Grumbine:It was returned back.
Steve Grumbine:Where'd it get returned?
Steve Grumbine:To?
Steve Grumbine:The government.
Steve Grumbine:Right?
Steve Grumbine:The government from when it came.
Steve Grumbine:Okay.
Steve Grumbine:So the idea of revenue is not the same thing as receiving something
Steve Grumbine:to spend, it's not going into a piggy bank where we spent.
Steve Grumbine:Now what happens, unfortunately, and this is where good friends disagree, I'm
Steve Grumbine:not gonna give it any air cover though.
Steve Grumbine:I'm just going straight for the kills shot.
Steve Grumbine:Okay.
Steve Grumbine:Within the government sector, the treasury's general account
Steve Grumbine:is merely a speed thing when you're riding down the road.
Steve Grumbine:And you go through one of those places where they're doing like a
Steve Grumbine:census to see how many cars cross this lane highway right here.
Steve Grumbine:And they have that little rope going across and every time you go, goes
Steve Grumbine:tally's up another stroke, tally's up another stroke, tally's up another stroke.
Steve Grumbine:Okay?
Steve Grumbine:We're doing those sorts of things, not only in the Social Security Trust fund,
Steve Grumbine:but also the treasury's general account.
Steve Grumbine:In the end, there's a statutory requirement that says the treasury
Steve Grumbine:cannot have any kinds of bounce checks.
Steve Grumbine:It can't have an overdraft, blah, blah, blah.
Steve Grumbine:Okay?
Steve Grumbine:Cuz otherwise it'd be counterfeit, whatever.
Steve Grumbine:The reality is, is that it's all bullshit because within the government
Steve Grumbine:there is no such thing as money.
Steve Grumbine:There is no such thing as money.
Steve Grumbine:It's only once it hits the private sector that it becomes actual money.
Steve Grumbine:All right?
Steve Grumbine:So within this space, within this space, they are literally creating a scenario.
Steve Grumbine:Where those Republicans feel completely valid and worrying
Steve Grumbine:about this unsustainable debt.
Steve Grumbine:Where ever forever is this money gonna come from?
Steve Grumbine:We can't spend what we don't have.
Steve Grumbine:They don't realize that this money is literally spoken into existence
Steve Grumbine:by fiat, which is by decree.
Steve Grumbine:Look up the word fiat.
Steve Grumbine:You'll see by decree, okay?
Steve Grumbine:From Congress.
Steve Grumbine:Article one, section eight gives your Congress the power of the purse.
Steve Grumbine:Now, of course, the laws that they have the power of the purse over have
Steve Grumbine:to go through the Senate and then have to go to the President for signature.
Steve Grumbine:Okay?
Steve Grumbine:But once the legal requirements for passing a bill go through the money that
Steve Grumbine:was promised to be spent on that bill.
Steve Grumbine:Was brought to you courtesy of your United States Constitution,
Steve Grumbine:article one, section eight.
Steve Grumbine:Okay?
Steve Grumbine:So this whole nonsense is ridiculous, but you must understand
Steve Grumbine:that they really believe this.
Steve Grumbine:So if you don't take the time not only to learn so that you can disabuse
Steve Grumbine:your fellow Democrats and Republican friends, and of course the worst,
Steve Grumbine:the libertarians Jesus Christ.
Steve Grumbine:Is there anyone less economically literate?
Steve Grumbine:I can think of a few.
Steve Grumbine:Unfortunately, probably some of my socialist friends are almost
Steve Grumbine:as economically illiterate as my libertarian friends, and I
Steve Grumbine:consider myself a socialist.
Steve Grumbine:So there you go.
Steve Grumbine:I'm calling you out friends.
Steve Grumbine:But as long as that paradigm exists, republicans have a leg to stand on.
Steve Grumbine:Do you understand?
Steve Grumbine:As long as we give the air of legitimacy to this stuff now, it's not just
Steve Grumbine:enough to say it's stupid and be done.
Steve Grumbine:It is stupid and you should be able to be done.
Steve Grumbine:We shouldn't even have to talk about it cuz it's that stupid.
Steve Grumbine:But because alas, they believe it and because alas, when you go to read the
Steve Grumbine:documentation, they've done a good job.
Steve Grumbine:Winston sitting there at his little news speak station speaking UN
Steve Grumbine:persons into existence and out of existence and all sorts of other stuff.
Steve Grumbine:When they do this stuff, they ensure that they, the documentation
Steve Grumbine:says what they want it to say.
Steve Grumbine:But if I tell you, stand in the corner, rub your belly with your right hand and
Steve Grumbine:pat your tinfoil hat with your left hand and out will come dollars, and suddenly
Steve Grumbine:they keystroke dollars into existence.
Steve Grumbine:Do you believe that rubbing your belly and rubbing your tinfoil hat created dollars?
Steve Grumbine:If you do, why don't you try it sometimes.
Steve Grumbine:See if it does.
Steve Grumbine:But they could say that in the reality.
Steve Grumbine:The thing could say until that guy rubs his belly and rubs his head with
Steve Grumbine:the tinfoil, of course, on there's no money gonna be put in there.
Steve Grumbine:And you'd be like, oh my God, if we don't rub our bellies and pat our heads and
Steve Grumbine:stuff, we're not gonna have any money.
Steve Grumbine:And if you let that stand, that stupidity will stand.
Steve Grumbine:And because most people don't give a fuck, they don't look into stuff when
Steve Grumbine:they do, they go to some shitty YouTube channel where they talk about other
Steve Grumbine:things that have nothing to do with understanding how federal finance works.
Steve Grumbine:In fact, they deep dive into Bitcoin and shit like that.
Steve Grumbine:Okay?
Steve Grumbine:When you do that, you don't create an informed populace.
Steve Grumbine:That group of people thinks suddenly that printing money devalues the
Steve Grumbine:dollar, all this stupid shit.
Steve Grumbine:But we've already had determined, and if you've been paying attention at all,
Steve Grumbine:the US government says, I will take.
Steve Grumbine:$1 in payment for $1 in tax.
Steve Grumbine:Okay.
Steve Grumbine:One to one always.
Steve Grumbine:It's not like you gotta give me $5 to pay $1 in tax.
Steve Grumbine:No, it's always $1 for $1 in tax.
Steve Grumbine:All right, so with that in mind, with that in mind, keep assuming
Steve Grumbine:that Republicans have a leg to stand on that they're, it's real.
Steve Grumbine:Wouldn't you be concerned for your kids?
Steve Grumbine:Wouldn't you be concerned for your grandchildren?
Steve Grumbine:Wouldn't you be concerned for the health of society that they
Steve Grumbine:not be debt slaves to China?
Steve Grumbine:That China's gonna come to this country with their billion plus and enslave
Steve Grumbine:us all to work in sweatshops for 'em?
Steve Grumbine:Wouldn't you be scared?
Steve Grumbine:I think it's stupid, but sure, why not?
Steve Grumbine:Let's keep playing the Republican game for a minute.
Steve Grumbine:The tea bagger, the right wing, the conservative mind.
Steve Grumbine:And by the way, Democrats say this stupid shit too, folks, so
Steve Grumbine:don't pat yourself on the back.
Steve Grumbine:Don't get smug.
Steve Grumbine:You guys are saying the dumbest shit too.
Steve Grumbine:So how do we move on past that?
Steve Grumbine:How do we get them over the hump?
Steve Grumbine:Well, you gotta get them to the point where they stop believing
Steve Grumbine:it's their hard-earned tax dollar that's paying for things.
Steve Grumbine:We gotta change the word taxpayer money to public money.
Steve Grumbine:We gotta stop calling it the debt and start saying the net money supply.
Steve Grumbine:We gotta stop acting like the US government borrows from private
Steve Grumbine:banks and that I'm so fresh.
Steve Grumbine:There's lefties that say this shit and it disgusts me.
Steve Grumbine:Stop.
Steve Grumbine:Just fucking stop.
Steve Grumbine:Resist the urge to sound like a sig rightwinger resist.
Steve Grumbine:Have it within you, you, you alone have the power to not say stupid right
Steve Grumbine:wing things, thinking you're being cute, lefty, you're not a cute lefty.
Steve Grumbine:You might be owning shit libs, but you're owning it from the fascist playbook.
Steve Grumbine:Pick a lane.
Steve Grumbine:Yes, Democrats suck, but that doesn't mean acting like a re thug.
Steve Grumbine:Thinking the gold standards king doesn't mean any of that stuff is real, okay?
Steve Grumbine:But you can clearly see there's logic to their thinking in their mind.
Steve Grumbine:They're the most afraid people in the world, and they're also about fairness.
Steve Grumbine:So if they've been skipping the party on Friday nights, if they've
Steve Grumbine:been pinching pennies and making sure that they don't pass debt to
Steve Grumbine:their children, you can certainly understand their concern that you
Steve Grumbine:would be doing something irresponsible.
Steve Grumbine:Creating a government that creates irresponsible spending.
Steve Grumbine:With money they don't have and that they're taking the hard earned
Steve Grumbine:tax dollars you made that you purposely were avoiding spending,
Steve Grumbine:so your grandkids wouldn't get it.
Steve Grumbine:Now they're taking your money away once again, and they're redistributing
Steve Grumbine:your money to some poor black kid, some poor trans kid, some immigrant coming
Steve Grumbine:to this country to ruin our society.
Steve Grumbine:Okay?
Steve Grumbine:I mean, think about what I'm saying.
Steve Grumbine:These parties are fucking political theater.
Steve Grumbine:If you're gonna watch news, you should have popcorn m a soda ready.
Steve Grumbine:You should dim the lights.
Steve Grumbine:And you should trust that no one's gonna talk in the theater.
Steve Grumbine:And if they do throw something, throw some popcorn at the
Steve Grumbine:person that's talking during the fucking, you know, announcements.
Steve Grumbine:Fuck them, man.
Steve Grumbine:They don't have any respect.
Steve Grumbine:We're watching the, we're in a movie theater.
Steve Grumbine:So now you can go further with this, obviously, obviously
Steve Grumbine:the Icks, I don't like that.
Steve Grumbine:Oh my God.
Steve Grumbine:You can almost envision Republicans who probably do this as much as everyone else,
Steve Grumbine:but you can almost think of Republicans as worrying about the butt sex, worrying
Steve Grumbine:about all kinds of other crazy stuff.
Steve Grumbine:Okay.
Steve Grumbine:Stuff that just icks them.
Steve Grumbine:They get the Icks right, and they just wanna make sure
Steve Grumbine:none of that icky stuff does.
Steve Grumbine:But they also don't want to see people that are hurting rise up because
Steve Grumbine:whether they acknowledge it or not.
Steve Grumbine:They were born on third base compared to the immigrants that come to
Steve Grumbine:this country seeking a new life.
Steve Grumbine:They were born on third base compared to all the black and brown people that
Steve Grumbine:were actually come from freedmen, from slave trade, not just the diaspora,
Steve Grumbine:but literally freedmen from our slave trade in the United States.
Steve Grumbine:People that were literally slaves.
Steve Grumbine:Okay?
Steve Grumbine:And and they suddenly are like, well, why should we give them a handout?
Steve Grumbine:They forget all the shit that's gone on since we started importing
Steve Grumbine:slaves into this country.
Steve Grumbine:And they forget all the shit that went on during reconstruction,
Steve Grumbine:and they forget all the shit that went on during the 19 hundreds.
Steve Grumbine:The Industrial Revolution.
Steve Grumbine:I'll even forget about it today because neoliberalism does something
Steve Grumbine:to help us forget about all this while we're going to this debt limit crap.
Steve Grumbine:Naturally.
Steve Grumbine:Neoliberalism would like a token billionaire black person.
Steve Grumbine:It would like a token billionaire, gay person.
Steve Grumbine:It would like a token billionaire president of whether it
Steve Grumbine:be woman, black, whatever.
Steve Grumbine:They want those things.
Steve Grumbine:So why?
Steve Grumbine:What happens in regular discourse?
Steve Grumbine:Well, you say there's racism.
Steve Grumbine:Well, there's no racism.
Steve Grumbine:How else could Barack Obama get in there?
Steve Grumbine:Right.
Steve Grumbine:But then you start looking and you realize the capital order
Steve Grumbine:knows no color boundaries.
Steve Grumbine:The capital order is all about capital.
Steve Grumbine:It's all about people of wealth and means being taken care of, and that us
Steve Grumbine:being kept desperate, okay, us being kept in bondage, basically is there for
Steve Grumbine:them as kind of a tribute, if you will.
Steve Grumbine:We're there to serve them.
Steve Grumbine:They need to keep enough of us hurting and hungry.
Steve Grumbine:To continue to service the wealthy class that they cater to.
Steve Grumbine:And that is how we transferred from a slave environment to our modern
Steve Grumbine:open air slave environment where everybody can be a slave, okay?
Steve Grumbine:And they use debt instruments, private debt, drive an interest, traits up,
Steve Grumbine:all these things to keep us deaf, dumb and stupid, pliable willing.
Steve Grumbine:And so what does the debt limit do to regular people?
Steve Grumbine:It does a lot, right?
Steve Grumbine:Payments for people that are on welfare payments for people
Steve Grumbine:that are in retirement, social security payments, you name it.
Steve Grumbine:Small government contractors.
Steve Grumbine:Large government contractors who pay huge salaries, suddenly
Steve Grumbine:wouldn't be able to pay it.
Steve Grumbine:And you wanna talk about a catastrophic event?
Steve Grumbine:That would bring on a tremendous recession, possibly a depression akin
Steve Grumbine:to what we saw during the pandemic, except with no intention of solving it.
Steve Grumbine:Okay.
Steve Grumbine:That's what you're looking at.
Steve Grumbine:That's what you're looking at.
Steve Grumbine:So this Monday, you know, I, I, I came in, I heard Stephanie's talk
Steve Grumbine:on npr, like I started this out and, you know, I've talked to Ron Gray
Steve Grumbine:so many times about the Minta coin.
Steve Grumbine:I'm sure it's gimmicky, but it solves a huge problem, right?
Steve Grumbine:You gotta understand that it's not good enough to be right.
Steve Grumbine:What is important is that you understand the motivation for
Steve Grumbine:why things are the way they are.
Steve Grumbine:If you think that government believes that it borrows money from China, If
Steve Grumbine:you think that government doesn't know that when they pass a law, that money
Steve Grumbine:is just spent into existence, if you don't think they know that you're wrong.
Steve Grumbine:So what's the motivation?
Steve Grumbine:Okay, you gotta ask yourself these questions.
Steve Grumbine:What is the motivation?
Steve Grumbine:What is the motivation for jailing so many people who needs to stay
Steve Grumbine:large and in charge, who is desperate to make sure that there's always
Steve Grumbine:a lower class to look down upon?
Steve Grumbine:Just have to ask yourself these questions because this construct of the debt
Steve Grumbine:ceiling is used to great weaponized purposes to keep us from believing
Steve Grumbine:that we can do better, that we can have better, that we can live a better life.
Steve Grumbine:It's used to make us believe that there just isn't enough to go around.
Steve Grumbine:And when there's not enough to go around, you see people do this, they,
Steve Grumbine:they put their hand around their plate and they give you the stink eye.
Steve Grumbine:Right?
Steve Grumbine:You know, when someone has an ounce of weed, they're quick
Steve Grumbine:to share a joint with people.
Steve Grumbine:They're quick to smoke it up.
Steve Grumbine:But when someone's down to their last joint, they're like, what do I do?
Steve Grumbine:Right?
Steve Grumbine:Same with beer, same with steak, same with shrimp.
Steve Grumbine:Whatever it is, people tighten up.
Steve Grumbine:As long as there's oceans of fresh drinking water, nobody's
Steve Grumbine:worried about water wars.
Steve Grumbine:But the more we have to worry about desalinization, and the
Steve Grumbine:more we see drought rise up, the more precious water becomes and
Steve Grumbine:different people act different ways.
Steve Grumbine:Scarcity.
Steve Grumbine:Is a way of ensuring that people hate each other.
Steve Grumbine:Stay hateful, stay separated.
Steve Grumbine:Stay un unified.
Steve Grumbine:Stay out of the solution space and into the pointing fingers and blame game.
Steve Grumbine:This is how fascism rises.
Steve Grumbine:When you have scapegoats,
Steve Grumbine:when you have scapegoats, when you have all kinds of other people to blame
Steve Grumbine:for why things are the way they are.
Steve Grumbine:If these people over here just wouldn't do this thing, everything would be okay.
Steve Grumbine:Those damn immigrants coming into the country weren't stealing all of our jobs.
Steve Grumbine:The lazy fuckers.
Steve Grumbine:Schrodinger's immigrant, right?
Steve Grumbine:So lazy that they steal your job.
Steve Grumbine:Gotta love the fucking mind, the idiot mind of the fucking
Steve Grumbine:people that don't fucking think.
Steve Grumbine:But remember, there's an ounce of logic to this.
Steve Grumbine:If the federal government doesn't spend money on the people, When
Steve Grumbine:immigrants do come in this country, they are taking scarce resources.
Steve Grumbine:See how this works?
Steve Grumbine:And by ensuring the resource availability is scarce, it keeps those nado goods,
Steve Grumbine:those immigrants in your crosshairs.
Steve Grumbine:Now all of a sudden, you can blame the immigrants and oh my God, the gays and
Steve Grumbine:oh my God, the trans kids and oh my God, c r t, and oh my God, all this
Steve Grumbine:stuff plays directly into the fallout of the debt ceiling conversation.
Steve Grumbine:You don't even realize it, but it does.
Steve Grumbine:All the scarcity, every one of you that buy into this bullshit of the country
Steve Grumbine:not having money, it's run outta money.
Steve Grumbine:Well, it's run outta money based on games they're playing to intentionally make
Steve Grumbine:you feel like we can't do nice things.
Steve Grumbine:Because if the government can't do nice things like, I don't know, create
Steve Grumbine:nasa, well, then we can go ahead and give it to SpaceX and Virgin and
Steve Grumbine:all these other things to make the private sector look like it saved us.
Steve Grumbine:Oh my God, fuck nasa.
Steve Grumbine:We've got Elon Musk.
Steve Grumbine:See how this works?
Steve Grumbine:The great man of neoliberalism, the thing that turned me on, one of the
Steve Grumbine:big things that turned me on to mm M T was that Stephanie Kelton long
Steve Grumbine:ago said, let's render the rich irrelevant and do it without them.
Steve Grumbine:We don't need the richest money.
Steve Grumbine:But see, everybody's so con.
Steve Grumbine:Oh, we got, we got, how are we gonna pay?
Steve Grumbine:Well, well, first thing we gotta do, we gotta get rid of the tax cuts and
Steve Grumbine:the the, uh, uh, uh, uh, and then, then we gotta cut military spending
Steve Grumbine:because we can't, we can't do it.
Steve Grumbine:We we're outta money.
Steve Grumbine:How are we gonna, we, we gotta cut military spending or we
Steve Grumbine:won't have schools anymore.
Steve Grumbine:Uh, we gotta, we won't be able to.
Steve Grumbine:You see this
Steve Grumbine:when in reality the money
Steve Grumbine:spoken into existence with a law, whatever, they're not going in.
Steve Grumbine:Imagine some old lady down at the mint got, well, I gotta get a
Steve Grumbine:wheelbarrow to pull this printed cash out for us to spend on these bills.
Steve Grumbine:Just imagine, just imagine that.
Steve Grumbine:Just imagine what I just said.
Steve Grumbine:They want you to believe that the government can't do anything at all.
Steve Grumbine:That it's completely powerless, that it requires private, public, private,
Steve Grumbine:commercial banks to fund its operations.
Steve Grumbine:And then I say, whoa, whoa, wait, hold on.
Steve Grumbine:That's the case.
Steve Grumbine:Where the fuck these private banks get their charter to operate?
Steve Grumbine:Oh no, the government, so the government is king, but some dick
Steve Grumbine:shit fucking tries to do well.
Steve Grumbine:Banks, banks are subservient, but no, we're gonna make it appear that
Steve Grumbine:the government borrows from them.
Steve Grumbine:So banks rule the world, not the governments.
Steve Grumbine:We can make the government look feckless and impossible until we
Steve Grumbine:say, Hey, military, let's go ahead and drop some tactical nukes.
Steve Grumbine:All of a sudden, man, we got the most powerful army in the world.
Steve Grumbine:Can you imagine all these old, skinny bankers running around as Apaches
Steve Grumbine:or dropping tactical nukes on them?
Steve Grumbine:Hey, bankers wouldn't stand a chance because the bankers
Steve Grumbine:aren't large and in charge.
Steve Grumbine:It's an illusion.
Steve Grumbine:They were given a charter by the government to operate.
Steve Grumbine:I just.
Steve Grumbine:After a while, don't you feel like seriously, like just smacking
Steve Grumbine:people around a little bit?
Steve Grumbine:Just a little bit.
Steve Grumbine:Not too much.
Steve Grumbine:You're not trying to put 'em in the hospital.
Steve Grumbine:You just, you just wanna smack 'em a few, you know, take some salt out and rake the
Steve Grumbine:eyes, drop the elbow off the top rope.
Steve Grumbine:Put 'em in a figure four leg.
Steve Grumbine:Glock.
Steve Grumbine:Do a suplex pile driver or something.
Steve Grumbine:You know,
Steve Grumbine:every time I think about it, that's all I can think about.
Steve Grumbine:It's just, just a little, just a little.
Steve Grumbine:Not too much.
Steve Grumbine:Is it too much to ask to give someone the backside of my hand once or twice?
Steve Grumbine:I don't think so.
Steve Grumbine:Why can't I give him the backside?
Steve Grumbine:It's a back smack.
Steve Grumbine:Smack, right?
Steve Grumbine:A little humiliating.
Steve Grumbine:It's not gonna beat him up.
Steve Grumbine:Too bad.
Steve Grumbine:It's a little bruising.
Steve Grumbine:Go get over.
Steve Grumbine:I say this in humor because it, it is annoying, but the reality
Steve Grumbine:is, if the government doesn't pay its bills, guess what other
Steve Grumbine:groups are gonna be hurting too.
Steve Grumbine:Since states are not currency issuers, states are gonna suffer as well.
Steve Grumbine:Now you're not just dealing with a federal problem, you're dealing with every
Steve Grumbine:state, and as it trickles down, you're dealing with every municipality as well.
Steve Grumbine:All these groups that are subsidized, all these groups that
Steve Grumbine:are subsidized by the government, and I want you to think about this.
Steve Grumbine:Halliburton is 100% funded by the federal government because they come
Steve Grumbine:in, they say, yeah, we'll do this thing.
Steve Grumbine:The federal government gives 'em billion dollar military contracts.
Steve Grumbine:They're doing something for it.
Steve Grumbine:But big fucking deal though.
Steve Grumbine:Every last sentence coming from the goddamn federal government.
Steve Grumbine:Do you think these Republican groups, these rich capitalist fucks, want
Steve Grumbine:the government to stop spending?
Steve Grumbine:No.
Steve Grumbine:But they just don't want it spent on you and I, because if we have
Steve Grumbine:choices, we might choose something that doesn't involve serving them.
Steve Grumbine:It's just that simple.
Steve Grumbine:So anyway, I had so many things to talk about in this space, but
Steve Grumbine:the reality is, is that this debt limit thing is, is a game, and it's
Steve Grumbine:a game that will keep going on.
Steve Grumbine:You guys can stash this, put it in your back pocket somewhere and watch
Steve Grumbine:it next year when it plays again.
Steve Grumbine:I'll probably end up doing another stream next year for the new group of people.
Steve Grumbine:Since people lose interest after a while and they go off and watch somebody
Steve Grumbine:sell an ivermectin or something, it's time to fucking think about this shit
Steve Grumbine:because this is what the subject is.
Steve Grumbine:This is what's happening right here, right now, and you should get confident.
Steve Grumbine:You should find your sea legs and not be cowed and, and concerned and worried.
Steve Grumbine:You should be ready to answer all these questions.
Steve Grumbine:The fact of the matter is that there was a law passed in World
Steve Grumbine:War I to help facilitate payments.
Steve Grumbine:Now it's used as a means of litigating already, uh, promised, already spent
Steve Grumbine:bills that the federal government has incurred, and what they're trying
Steve Grumbine:to do is make the government not pay those bills so that it can look
Steve Grumbine:foolish and prove that government.
Steve Grumbine:It doesn't solve our problems.
Steve Grumbine:It's all about proving the government's inadequacy.
Steve Grumbine:It's all about making the government look feckless in it.
Steve Grumbine:Impossibly, you know, stupid because they want you to have to go to private credit.
Steve Grumbine:They want you to have to go to private institutions for your services.
Steve Grumbine:They want you to have to pay a fee, and they want you to
Steve Grumbine:be in perpetual precarity.
Steve Grumbine:False scarcity narratives make us all fearful for our lives, make us fearful
Steve Grumbine:for our families, make us fear every day, and this is what they've done.
Steve Grumbine:This is what they're achieving.
Steve Grumbine:It's all part of a way of saying, Hey, that thing that happened during
Steve Grumbine:the pandemic, don't remember that.
Steve Grumbine:We can spend trillions of dollars on the whim without spending a nickel in,
Steve Grumbine:and there's no tax dollars involved.
Steve Grumbine:Don't forget all that.
Steve Grumbine:We gotta get you back on page, man.
Steve Grumbine:We gotta get you back in the fold, man.
Steve Grumbine:You're thinking too big, man.
Steve Grumbine:We need you back in.
Steve Grumbine:We need you.
Steve Grumbine:We need you back over here, man.
Steve Grumbine:We need you fucked up, insecure and neurotic and emotional
Steve Grumbine:so we can control you.
Steve Grumbine:And with that folks, I think my grine moment is over because I don't have
Steve Grumbine:anything further to say at this time.
Steve Grumbine:So I'm outta here.
Steve Grumbine:See ya.
Steve Grumbine:I did that on purpose.