In this episode of Confidence by the STARS podcast, hosted by Dorrissa Griffin, Esq., special guests Tamerri Ater and her father, Mathu Ater, delve into the rich connections between African history and astrology. Tamerri, known as the Astrofashionista, discusses her unique journey and her brand 'Gift of the Nile,' which fuses ancient Egyptian rituals with modern wellness products. Mathu Ater, an expert in Egyptology and African history, provides an extensive historical context, explaining the deep roots of astrology in African culture and its integration into Western traditions. Together, they emphasize the importance of acknowledging Black contributions to astrology and share personal narratives that highlight the significance of African spirituality in contemporary practices.

Episode Chapters:

00:00 Introduction and Host Welcome

00:32 Guest Introductions: Tamerri Ater and Mathu Ater

03:44 Tamerri's Journey with Astrology

09:13 Mathu Ater's Insights on African History and Astrology

17:53 The Connection Between African History and Modern Astrology

30:07 Mathu Ater's Personal Story and Name Origin

41:48 Anecdotes and Personal Stories

42:34 The Influence of Ancestry and Spirituality

42:57 Black Astrology and Its Origins

43:56 Integration of Mesopotamian and Kemetic Astrology

45:57 Cultural Impact of Colonialism and Christianity

47:07 The Evolution and Global Influence of Rap Music

49:52 Astrology's Interconnection with Religion

51:52 Astrology in Ancient Africa

55:07 The Birth of a Wellness Brand

01:08:56 The Importance of Black Contributions in History

01:16:33 Closing Remarks and Future Endeavors

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Tamerri Ater

Tamerri Ater, MBA (AstroFashionista) is a Certified Professional Astrologer, Reiki Practitioner and Founder of Gift of the Nile, spiritual wellness products, rooted in Ancient Egyptian ritual. She is also a Senior Astrology Editor for Astrology.com and Horoscope.com. For over 15 years, Tamerri has advised thousands of people on how to align with their soul’s destiny, career path, and improve and attract healthy relationships and partnerships. Tamerri used astrology to guide her career as a Beauty Product Development Professional, and often collaborates with global brands and media outlets. She has a B.A. In TV Production from Loyola Marymount University and an MBA from UCLA Anderson School of Management.

@astrofashionista on Instagram

Tamerri 's Website

https://thegiftofthenile.com

Mathu Ater

Mathu Ater: BA from Cal State LA, and MA from Pepperdine University. He is affiliated with the National Organization of Minority Architects, Los Angeles chapter. Mathu was an 11-year architectural apprentice to the late Lester Oliver Bankhead, Architect, and was a student of the late Dr. Yosef A.A. Ben-Jochannan since 1981; he made his first trip to Kemet/Egypt with Dr. Ben in 1985. Mathu is uniquely qualified to speak on architectural and religious themes as his over 30 years as an architectural and graphic media specialist facilitates a fresh and uncommon approach to the study of Egyptology and History. Largely because of the efforts of Dr. Ben, Mathu along with Ashra Kwesi founded “African Minds United,” in LA in the 1980s. Additionally, he taught “The Glory of the Black Race” at the University of California at Irvine. Mathu has designed many buildings around greater LA including a recording studio for Snoop Dogg and the home plans for the late legendary producer, John Singleton.

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Okay.

Welcome to the Confidence by the STARS podcast.

I'm your host, Dorrissa Griffin, astrologer, attorney, and app developer.

And I'm also your horoscope hype woman.

And I'm here to help you.

Make the best out of your astrological journey.

And today I have with me two amazing guests.

I'm so excited to have the both of them on.

I'm going to introduce them one at a time and I hope that you'll

understand why they're so special.

So, first I would like to introduce Tamerri Ater, MBA.

She's also called the Astrofashionista.

She is a certified professional astrologer, Reiki practitioner,

and founder of Gift of the Nile, spiritual wellness products

rooted in ancient Egyptian ritual.

She is also a senior astrology editor for astrology.

com and horoscope.

com.

For over 15 years, Tamerri has advised thousands of people on how to align

with their soul's destiny, career path, and improve and attract healthy

relationships and partnerships.

Tamerri used astrology to guide her career as a beauty product development

professional and often collaborates with global brands and media outlets.

She has a BA in TV production from Loyola Marymount University and an MBA

from UCLA Anderson School of Management.

I also have the amazing pleasure and honor to introduce you to world renowned expert

in Egyptology and African history, Mr.

Mathu Ater.

He holds a BA from Cal State, Los Angeles.

and an MA from Pepperdine University.

He is affiliated with NOMA, the National Organization of Minority

Architects, Los Angeles Chapter.

Mathu was an 11 year architectural apprentice to the late Lester

Oliver Bankhead, and he was a student of the late Dr.

Yosef A.A.

Ben-Jochannan since 1981.

He made his first trip to Kemet, Egypt with Dr.

Ben in 1985.

Mathu is uniquely qualified to speak on architectural and religious themes as

his over 30 years as an architectural and graphic media specialist facilitates

a fresh and uncommon approach to the study of Egyptology and History.

Welcome Mr.

Ater and Tamerri!

Excited to be here.

Finally get

Yes,

this done.

I guess the timing worked out better, right?

Yes.

The timing worked out so perfectly!

I couldn't have planned it.

We wanted to really have something around Black History Month, but we have a second

opportunity with this coming Juneteenth to be able to talk about things that

are so important in terms of astrology and its connection to Black History.

And I remember when I asked Tamerri to come on, she was

like, I would love to do this.

I'm so excited.

Let's go.

And then when I hit her with the question, she was like, pause.

You need to talk to my dad because he really can give you the tea on all of

these questions about Black history.

So I was like, yes, let's do that.

So the fact that we get to have him on and it's the special moment with

Father's Day coming up, I think this is just so So incredible.

So yes, the timing is absolutely perfect.

Yes.

So I'm gonna kick it off.

I would love for you guys to tell me about your journey with astrology,

your journey with African history.

I mean, I really.

Wanted to make sure that I gave you, the opportunity to really let the world

know what it is that you are bringing here in terms of your expertise.

But I would love for you to talk more about that journey

for yourselves individually.

I'll go.

I'll start.

You want to start or me start?

Okay, I'll start because my journey really starts with him.

So, when I was born, I was tell this story because it's so important.

Baba Doye, who's one of my Dads' best friends and he's, I guess,

an honorary Godfather to me.

Ashra Kweisi is my Godfather, which we'll get into, but he did my naming ceremony

and my name, Tamerri, is beloved land.

It's an ancient name for Egypt or Kemet.

So Egypt is a European name, but my name was a name for Egypt or another name.

He got it from Dr.

Ben's, one of Dr.

Ben's books, who you mentioned in his bio.

But yeah, so at the naming ceremony, which I found out later,

Baba Doye, who conducted the ceremony, read my natal chart.

And it's one of those things that I knew that astrology was talked about there.

Like, cause I was born under the sign, the bull Taurus.

And I couldn't really wear red growing up, which, Baba Doya had made like

recommendations, like put me in yellows.

And, and so there was things that, we adhere to.

And I remember when I was in second grade.

My friend Milan Wiley, I always shout her out.

She asked me my Zodiac sign and I was like six years old and I didn't

really even know what that was.

And I asked my Dad and I remember just that kind of like opening up the world.

And so I've, astrology has just always been a part of my life.

And then when I was 13, we had a family tragedy and I lost my Mom to suicide.

And so that obviously really affected.

All of us, the entire dynamic.

And I think it was one of those things, and it's weird because

I've never told this story with him sitting right next to me.

but it was one of those things where we didn't really talk about it.

And for me, being the firstborn and internalizing everything, it really

came, manifested as like anxiety and depressive, depression for me,

which people didn't really know that.

And so I learned more to like achieve and like, you know, be the cheerleading

captain and the president of the dance team and just all the things.

And just, I put all of my energy into like work and achievement and people

know that that is not a true way that you feel you get fulfilled in life.

Like those accolades will not fulfill your soul.

So when I graduated college, I worked in an office in Beverly Hills and

my boyfriend at the time, like I was going through a lot of things

and I would share it with him.

Like he kind of knew what was going on, but the Astro Twins, they're

celebrity astrologers Ophi and Tally, their manager worked in my office and

they're like, Oh, they're coming in.

Cause they lived in New York.

And I was like, Oh, I love astrology.

And so then when they came in there, she was like, Oh, we'll

have them do a reading for you.

They looked at me and they they were like, you're either a Taurus

or a Scorpio and I'm a Taurus sun, but I have a Scorpio rising.

And I like, I was like, okay, how did they do that?

Cause this was not even before, like, this was before they even

got to the, to the reading.

So anyway, I, at that point I really became obsessed.

Like, like my first books that I got, I think from the Grove, the

Barnes and Nobles, probably when I was with him, cover to cover.

I started reading all these books on like how to actually read natal charts.

and it was a hobby.

So I was like, just got on my friend's birth times.

And so this was 2005.

So quite a while, a while ago.

And after a while, my Capricorn boyfriend was like, well, you

should start getting paid if you're going to be doing this for people.

And I didn't think anybody would pay for astrology, which is crazy now

at the time that we were living in.

And I was like, no, so it took me quite a while to, to actually,

say, well, I'm actually going to get paid for my services.

So that was, you know, I was even doing readings for coworkers cause

I was working in beauty and product development for different brands.

And in 2015.

actually launched my business, like with the website that my

Scorpio boyfriend designed for me.

And I, uh, you know, my first clients were really like my

coworkers, like people that I knew.

And so organically it just started to kind of grow and by word of mouth.

And I started doing collaborations with like, Beauty brands, because

I was already in that space.

So people would have like launch parties and I would do like readings there.

And so it became a part of me where I just started including it in my portfolio.

Cause I'm like, well, I'm just going to show up authentically as myself.

And when I look at my natal chart and the placements that I have, Taurus sun,

Scorpio rising, I have Mars, Saturn, Pluto and Scorpio Rising, all that water depth

energy opposing this Taurus, which is really about material goods and Mercury

and Taurus, and I have an Aquarius moon.

So it's like incorporating the physical love for beauty and aesthetics with

the more spiritual deeper work.

So I was able to kind of learn how to live my chart.

But it was like a long process.

I mean, this has been almost a 20 year journey for me at this point,

but it really started with my Dad and, his connection to, African

spirituality and history and it all kind of organically happened.

I didn't plan any of it.

It just was written in the stars, I guess.

Yes, absolutely.

I have to begin at the beginning.

And Dr.

Yosef, Alfredo Antonio Ben-Jochannan was the guy that taught me about

ancient Kemet, taught Tamerri Kemet.

And so,

one of the things that struck me about Dr.

Ben, when I first heard him say, "We came from the beginning of the

Nile, where God Hapi dwells at the foothills of the Mountains of the Moon."

I said, wow, that's, that's profound.

So, I was a student of architecture and I was taking geology.

And I began to find out about the Great Rift Valley in Central Africa.

It's a huge rift with two major mountain ranges on either side of it.

Surrounding a lake called, we call it Victoria today, but they call it Mwanza

was the lake that they actually called it.

And so, these two mountain ranges have the tallest mountains in Africa.

19, 000 for Kilimanjaro.

Over 17, 000 for Rwenzori on the opposite side.

So, there are mountain ranges on both sides of the lake.

And so, when I found out through Dr.

Ben that the ancient Kemetu or Egyptians said, We came

from the beginning of the now.

I had to look into that with more detail.

I'd done architecture.

I worked on hillside houses, designed hillside houses.

And so I was really attuned to the idea of topography.

So people look at Africa at a map.

They don't realize anything about the topography, the terrain of Africa.

Then you see Africa.

It's a big place.

But when you look at the topography, that's very important.

So that's one of the things that I I focus on because of my architectural background.

Whenever I look at a map, I want to know about the topography, topographic

features in the map, in the map.

And so what I found out was that when you leave Cairo in Egypt, which is right at

the Mediterranean, and you go up to now, you have to go up, not down, you go up.

And as you go up, up, up, you get to one point in the South Sudan

where there's a very steep rise.

all the way up and it takes you directly to the equator.

And Africa is divided in half.

It's four points really.

North, East, West, and South divides Africa.

So, when you get to that point,

that is the point.

This is very important to you all who study astrology.

At the equator, when you leave the Mediterranean, the most dominant

feature in the skies is the North Star.

And as you go up the Nile, when you get to the equator, as soon

as you cross the equator, the North Star disappears from sight.

And there's a whole new other topic of stars on the other side of the equator.

But from the equator down to the Mediterranean, the

ruling is the North Star.

And the North Star

is the goddess Isis.

And so, one of the things they called and this is where this

is where astrology starts.

Julius Caesar had a son by Cleopatra.

Cleopatra was the last queen of the Ptolemy dynasty, which

is a Greco Roman dynasty.

And so, she was the last queen.

And she had a son by Julius Caesar.

And eventually Caesar was assassinated.

And he wasn't the ruler for very long.

And the next king or ruler was a guy called Augustus.

Augustus Caesar.

He became the ruler.

And under Augustus, he had a guy named Marcus uh, Apollio.

Uh, um, his architect

for Augustus was the same architect for Julius Caesar.

And he wrote a book called the Ten Books on Architecture.

And that book became the first book Europe ever had on architecture.

And it was based upon what they had learned in Kemet, in Egypt.

The Ptolemies were the dynasty there and Cleopatra was the very last Ptolemy king.

And so it was under Sosogenes.

He was a priest who would Augustus and Cleopatra that introduced astrology as

we know it today to the Western world.

And the Egyptians, or the Kemetu, have founded two major sites.

One place called Edfu, and the other place called Dendera.

Dendera was devoted to the mother of all mother goddesses, Het-Heru Hathor.

And so Ha ha ha.

Product named after Hathor.

Yeah, that's right.

It's named after her.

She was a mother of mothers.

She was a mother of Isis, before Isis.

And then Heru, Horus.

Edfu was devoted to Heru.

The Temple of Horus at Edfu.

Those are the first two sites that these Africans founded when they came down

from the equator from Central Africa.

And they got to the border of what we call Nubia in Egypt today.

They began to build the first sites for Edfu and Dendera were the

first two sites that they built.

And they went on down to now until they got to Memphis called Men-nefer.

When they got to Men-nefer, that's when they began to establish the

civilization we call Egypt today.

And so, there's a man named Imhotep . Everybody listening to this or any

other podcast, any, should know Imhotep . Imhotep means he who comes in peace.

He was the first great recorded Murket.

That's what they called the architects, the Murket.

M U R K E T.

The Murket, Imhotep was a father of architects, really.

He had a father too, but we don't know much about his dad, but we know about

Imhotep because she's been to his site.

And she took a picture standing in front of his pyramid.

And that was the first pyramid built in Kemet.

And what he did is he took a series of tombs called mustaba, flat tombs, and

he stacked one on top of the other.

And he experimented some more and stacked some more on top of it.

Until he got the first pyramid in Kemet.

And it set the precedent for all the pyramids that were later built.

Now, we don't have time to go into all of that.

So, I just wanted to make sure that I touched on that because This is where

we had the beginning of astronomy.

Because eventually the Greeks would come in.

Everybody wanted a piece of Kemet, Egypt.

They all wanted a piece of it.

It was the most learned people.

These black, they call them the black people.

That's what they call them.

The god Heru.

Min Heru, look, he's on the back of my chain.

He has an erect phallic.

He was jet black.

Look it up.

Don't believe anything I say.

Min Heru was jet black.

And he was from the South Sudan and from the South.

And he became the symbol of the kingship.

So every king that became the king, Ramesses the Great, Thutmoses, Ramoses.

All these kings became kings of Kemet...

Queen Hatshepsut.

They all had a ceremony where they had to go before Min as the ruler

and the very symbol of the kingship.

Min is a very symbol of the kingship.

And so this is what Europeans have frightfully decided to

keep from us and hide it as a secret, but Min was jet black.

All you gotta do is Google Min, and you'll see he's black.

Even white folks got him as black in Google and so forth.

So this is the beginning of astronomy begins with Cleopatra.

It started with Julius Caesar.

He was the first one to adopt the Kemetic or Egyptian calendar.

and he, it he was assassinated.

And then Augustus came along afterwards, continued that project,

and he's the one who introduced the Kemetic Egyptian calendar with

Sosigenes, into the Western world.

So through Greece, the Ptolemies, they got the calendar.

And so the calendar that we use today was taken all over the

Mediterranean by the Romans.

And so they had a ceremony called the Navagium Isidis.

It means the launching of the ships of Isis.

And so everywhere the Romans, every March 5th,

The Romans would go down to the seashore at the Mediterranean and they'd inaugurate

the navigational period and the one that led the helm of the ship was Asset.

And so,

the Navagium Isidis was the launching of the ships of Isis.

And that was a whole Roman navigational period throughout the Mediterranean Sea.

And one of the places they ended up in was a place called

Londonium, which we call London.

The other one, of course, most important, one of the most noted one is Paris.

And so the Navagium Isidis covered that whole area from

France all the way to England.

And so the Romans built basilicas everywhere they traveled.

They set up basilicas everywhere they went.

And those basilicas were the architectural design and innovation that began with

Imhotep . She's been to a site.

Imhotep , 5, 000 years ago.

That's 3, 000 years BCE before the current era.

Imhotep designed the world's first basilica at Saqqara.

And that basilica set the example for all the basilicas that you

see in the world especially so

with St.

Peter's Basilica.

St.

Peter's Basilica, and we have a drawing submitted that I show the old St.

Peter's, the present day St.

Peter's.

And at the bottom, I have Karnak, which is Hatshepsut called

Waret, the Temple of Waret.

That was the first basilica design in that, in, in terms of having

an influence on the Western world.

And so the Romans took that.

When they closed, when they shut down all the Kemetic Egyptian temples,

drove the priests into isolation, slavery, and all the rest of the

things they did to the priests.

They took the design of Karnak, Hatshepsut, Waret.

And that became the fountain and the very figure and the foundation for St.

Peter's Basilica.

Nobody in the world that I know of has put together a presentation like

the one you're seeing right now.

Where I have old St.

Peter's, the present St.

Peter's, and Karnak one after the other.

And I show the atrium, which is the open court.

You walk in.

She's been in that open court.

You walk into the first court at Karnak.

It's open and there's a big statue of a column done by her brother named Taharqa

right there in the middle of that court.

And off to the right, there's a guy named Ramesses III in that court, and

I took a picture of myself, and it's in this book, of me standing in front

of that temple done by Ramesses III.

When I took that picture in 1985, Dr.

Yosef Alfredo Antonio Ben-Jochannan declared that this man was a black King.

He was a black king, Ramesses III.

He over and over again said that.

All these years later, the DNA study has come out and it shows that

Ramesses, not only Ramesses, but most of the kings and queens of the 18th

Dynasty, their DNA can be traced back

to Uganda.

Yeah, yeah.

What they used to call when I was a kid, Deepest, Darkest, Blackest Africa.

That's where, Rameses III, King Tutankhamen, all the kings of

the 18th and 19th Dynasties, including Rameses the Great.

Their DNA can be traced all the way back to the equator and beyond that.

But they've spent all this time lying to us, writing books,

Textbooks, misinforming our people about the blackness of the K'metu.

K'met means black.

That's what it means.

It means black.

And so the K'metu means black people.

You have figures of a man and a woman behind the figure of K'met,

which is the black land symbol.

And you have a man and a woman behind it.

Those two symbolize in plural.

commit to the Black people.

That's what it represents.

So astrology

That's amazing.

starts with the commit to the Black people with Julius

Caesar, Cleopatra, and Sosogenes, the priest, who introduced that

calendar to the Western world.

That's wow.

That's amazing.

Go ahead.

Absolutely.

I was going to say also, that's astrology

as we use it today, right?

Like,

Roman and Greek gods.

But if we think about what astrology is, which is really using the

stars as a guide to either foretell something or to get information about

yourself, all the temples in Kemet, are aligned to positions of the stars.

It's all there.

So it's really within their civilization.

And this was prior to that.

So if we really want to go back, there's that right before we started

actually reading what a natal chart.

Yeah, if you look at the

Karnak during the winter,

if you look at the winter solstice, yes.

Karnak and Queen Hatshepsut's temple, On exact alignment.

Now one is on one side of the Nile.

The other is on the other side of the Nile.

And so the western side of the Nile is a place of burials.

That's where they bury their dead.

That side of the now is symbolic not of Kemet, of Egypt itself.

That side of the now is symbolic of what we call the land of pun.

The land of Punt was the ancestral lands to the south.

And so there's been a lot of dispute about the actual location, but now

I know that the actual beginning of that point is at the equator.

And that's what they call it.

Egyptians called committed to call the Great Horizon.

The Great Horizon is the equator.

That's called the Great Horizon.

And so, Akhet.

Akhet is the symbol of the equator when the sun is at the equator during the

spring and summer, before the summer.

Now, Peret is my sign.

I'm a Libra.

It's when the scales are equal and balanced again.

When the sun is back to the equator and then it's balanced

again, that's we have Peret.

That's where, that's the period of judgment.

That's the period of darkness.

All the things that take place during that particular time are the opposite of what

takes place during the spring equinox.

And so, I've got symbols of all this stuff, The Dendera ceiling, they have

a picture of Het-Heru and they have her at the, sitting at the balances

where the, goddess Nut that's draped over, and they got two mountains.

This is in the temple of Dendera

. Tamerri Ater: It's on my wall.

He brought it, he gave me that.

Yeah.

From Kemet.

Yeah.

And so right there, right there you have, two mountains.

That was a very ancient way.

You gotta understand that this, we're talking about people doing

stuff thousands of years ago.

That was the way they were able to illustrate.

I was an illustrator, delineator for Boeing, for McDonnell Douglas.

I did it as a profession.

outside of what I was doing in terms of architecture,

that was another whole field.

And so this whole idea of, how they illustrate it was a very primitive

form, but it's very accurate.

So that's what I've been able to do in my books if I ever get these books out.

It showed that what they had illustrated was truly accurate.

And that right there at the Great Rift Valley around what we call

Lake Victoria in Yonza, where that lake is, there are two big mountain

ranges on both sides of the lake.

And that's what they were trying to illustrate at the Temple of Het-Herut.

Hathor Het-Heru.

She comes from God's land.

They tell you that in all the texts.

Heru, he begins at the equator.

That's where the balance of day and night takes place at the equator.

So, all the things that they have illustrated and delineated

architecturally, philosophically, and scientifically, all align.

Like those buildings, Queen Hatshepsut's building and Karnak are exact

alignment at the Winter Solstice.

They're in exact alignment with each other.

And they didn't celebrate Christmas, but that was the Winter

Solstice they were celebrating.

That was before Christmas.

I don't want to take your

time.

Listen, when wisdom is being dropped, when

wisdom is being shared, you learn to just sit and soak it up.

And I just appreciate you taking us through that whole journey,

Mathu, and really helping us to understand, like, even just the name

Tamerri and what that symbolizes.

For the study of history, history, and particularly the study of astrology, how

it's tied together, the whole point about the architecture of taking us on a journey

from the Mediterranean all the way down to the Nile to the equator and helping us to

understand that at the equatorial point, that's where we have the North Star.

And that's where we're able to start the journey of mapping out the sky

and That connection with astronomy and astrology and how that whole history

is encapsulated in the journey of the Kemetic people is encapsulated

in how we understand astrology today.

Like that was a beautiful way for people to be able to get a

full picture of what that means.

I love having the 50, 000 foot level and then we can, dive a little bit deeper

into more of the details as we go along, but just understanding like your journey

and clearly your passion for this, Mr.

Ater, and how important it is for us.

as people who unfortunately don't have as thorough of a connection with our

history as African Americans in, in this country, being able to have people

who have that command of the subject and that experience and who've actually

been to the continent and been to these places and have firsthand accounts.

It's gold, quite frankly.

And so I'm thrilled to be able to hear you speak about that.

And I love that you gave us

In fact, let me, let me say how I got my name.

Yes.

I got my name in 1983.

Dr.

Ben.

Dr.

Ben is a Betta Israel.

He's an Ethiopian Jew.

He was born in Ethiopia as a Jew, as an Ethiopian Jew.

And his people lived up around the area in, around Lake Tana.

That's way up in the mountains of Ethiopia.

That's where his people were from, the Betta Israel.

And then in 1983, he went back there with, her godfather, Asra Kweiss.

And he came back.

to L.

A., and I didn't know it at the time, but we were at a Kwanzaa

gathering at his house in December.

Now he wasn't doing it, probably August or something like that.

But December, when he walks up to me, when we're at Kwanzaa, everybody's

sitting around having a good time.

And he walks over, he says, Mathu.

I said, what's that?

He said, that's your name, brother.

He said, this priest sent that name to you from the highlands

of Ethiopia around Lake Tana.

And I had another brother with me.

I was showing him around L.

A.

doing Kwanzaa.

And one of my cousins, Doreena Pleasant, she was, she was on crack.

My sister was on crack.

And she remembered, I hadn't seen her probably about two years, she

remembered I used to always talk about Africa when I was in high school.

And I get a call from her out of nowhere.

She says, There's a brother from Africa.

She said, Africa, that I'd like for you to meet.

And she gave me his phone number.

I said, well, this is weird.

I haven't heard from her in like a couple of years.

So I called him up.

And the brother's name was Awan Rizik Ater.

And the brother had been in the United States.

He worked for Chevron Oil.

And he was from the South Sudan.

And I was showing him around doing Kwanzaa.

So when I got to Kweisi's house.

That's where Kweisi's house, where Godfather's house.

When he said, Mathu.

Awan Rizik Ater, he had so much joy from me showing him around Kwanzaa.

He said, I would like for you to have my name, Ater.

Ater means high in stature.

Mathu means worthy of the throne.

So high in stature and worthy of the throne were the two names I received on

the day I wasn't even looking for a name.

They both came to me on the same day and that's how she got her name,

That's beautiful.

That's where it came from.

South Sudan, near Abu Simbel.

South Sudan.

It's even further than that.

It's all the way to where the Nile flows out of Uganda and empties

into an area called the Sioux.

It's a large, it's a large area for reeds, papyruses, and lotus flowers.

So it's a huge, huge swamp, the whole area.

It's created by the now overflowing from Uganda, and it splashes down

in the area called the Sioux.

I had an illustration, and we'll be able to show you that illustration, where the

Temple of Karnak was really built as a model of the trip from the lower Egypt,

And what they did is they stepped the floor of the temple up and they

stepped the ceiling of the temple down.

So when you get to the end of the temple architecturally, you reach the place

where heaven and earth comes together.

The lowest point of the ceiling and the highest point of the floor or together

in the place called the Curry Cha Chamber, which is the Holy of Holies,

the most sacred place in the temple.

The Holy of Holies is a place where the ceiling of the temple

and the floor are closest together.

And when you get to that point, you'll reach what we call the

Atlanta Punt, what we call Uganda.

Tanzania, Central, Des, Central, Deepest, Darkest, Blackest, Africa.

That's what that temple Karnak represented.

The trip.

And that's what Hatshepsut, Queen Hatshepsut called it.

She called it the Temple of Creation is what that temple was representative of.

And there was a more appropriate fact, the temple

The Temple of Notre Dame, it comes right out of, out of that whole scenario of the

temples of Karnak and the Pope's temples.

I wanted to read this because this kind of speaks value.

It's a book I've been writing called Our Lady, the House of Isis.

I'm just now getting back to it, but this is a quote I have.

"Her own name is considered by many scholars to mean 'throne', while

to others when combined with Ma'at, it signifies 'ancient wisdom'.

Every living being is a drop of her blood, to be protected under her wings

in death and lovingly restored to life.

Though the greatest danger to the church, she has never entirely lost her

popularity and prestige in the west.

Diana is the queen of the night for witches.

Isis for Masons and Rosicrucians.

Of the great Black Virgin cities of France,

Lyons is devoted to Cybele, the patronist of Marseilles is Artemis.

Toulouse of Pallas Athene in its very essence is the Queen of the

South, home of the Gnostic wisdom school in the sixth century.

It was left to Paris, Par es, Par es sut, from Paris, eventually the greatest

of them all, to be selected by Isis,

the greatest of the goddesses, as her sacred capital."

Quote from Ean Begg who wrote a book called The Cult of the Black Virgin.

that's

where your astrology starts.

Notre Dame has a, has a, has a window right here.

Astrological window.

With Jesus and Mary standing right in front of it, symbolizing Isis and Horus

going all the way back to antiquity.

Yes, I think that's a beautiful transition because I wanted to

talk about the connection, more deeply talk about the connection with Africa and

with astrology and even the conversation around, how that ties into many of the

things that we know as religion today.

So much of, that is based on, these these symbols, these themes, these deities

from African, ancient African culture.

You mentioned Heru and you mentioned Isis or I think it's Aset,

that's another name.

Yes, Aset.

So I think.

Helping people to understand how some of these things have evolved to

present day, but really understanding their origin more, more deeply.

So you took us to Paris, you took us to Notre Dame, the cathedral of Notre

Dame, and you pointed out one, the, the steeple or the, or the temple

itself of Notre Dame or the cathedral.

The church in Notre Dame, there is a symbol of Heru or Isis as some people

call and Asset, excuse me also Asset and Heru the son the little baby.

So can you go more into that and help people understand kind of like

that connection and that foundation?

More so than any other people.

The sun is the most prevailing element that we know of because

in Africa, the sun is everything.

And so, the king of Kemet was called the Son of the Sun.

That was his name, the Son of the Sun.

And Heru, of course, Heru is the Sun.

And so, when you look at Min Kamutef, the black symbol of the king, King Min,

Min Kamutef was Heru, was a form of Heru.

He was a form of Heru, the Sun God, as we call it, in

contemporary terms, the Sun God.

And so, when Hathor, Het-Heru, was the house of Horus.

So you see the symbol of Het-Heru.

And the house where the sun is born, they saw it as the equator,

where the great horizon was, where the sun balanced out day and night,

equal day and equal, equal night.

That was the great balance at the equator.

And so her room was everything in terms of that.

That's why Akhenaten took the name Akhet as his name.

Akhet, again, that's the sun.

And so he kind of simplified it a bit.

He got a lot of people pissed off about it, but nevertheless, his stance

on morality and that kind of thing was very instrumental in developing

contemporary thinking about religion.

I've lectured on these subjects many, many times over many, many years.

And so we'll have to come back and do something later.

What is it?

Uh one.

The one lecture is Africa, the mother of the Christian Church or

something.

The Egyptian

temple.

Egyptian temple.

The Egyptian temple.

Mother of the Christian Church.

You can find that on YouTube.

I'm sure it's an old lecture, but it's still good.

Right.

Things have advanced, people have advanced, people

have learned more over the years.

And so as time goes on, it's important to replenish those

things and do that kind of thing.

So I just, Those, all those lectures somebody else put them on.

I didn't put any of those lectures on YouTube.

That's a compliment to me from other people that enjoyed the works I was doing.

So all those lectures Imhotep, a lecture on Imhotep on Egyptian Temple.

I lectured on Mexico.

I traveled all over Mexico.

The Pyramids and Temples of Mexico and identify the similarities and

the proximity of things in Mexico in association with the Nile Valley.

It took me years.

It took me about seven trips to Mexico to do that.

I had a tour in 2003.

I had a group go to Mexico to see the Pyramid of the Sun

and the Pyramid of the Moon.

The alignment of the Moon Pyramid

perpendicular to the Sun Pyramid.

So they have all these alignments and so forth.

So there's a lot of similarities in ancient architecture.

So those are the kind of things I was focused on.

And so I'm 68 now.

I'll be 69 this year.

So I'm trying to make the most out of what I've got to work with now, so.

These are, these people here, like this one here, she's gonna have to take some

of this stuff, and go on, move on with it.

So, that's not leaving.

I'm leaving for them.

My son Taharqa, my son Taharqa, same way, he's very knowledgeable.

I once had a high, he had a teacher in middle school that came to

see one of my lectures at a place called The Good Life on Crenshaw.

She came in there to see that lecture and it was her mind was blown.

She said, let me know whenever you do that lecture.

So I ended up having my son ended up having her as a teacher.

And we were always talking, we went out a couple times.

And then she called me one day and said, Why your son,

Taharqa, had to be in my class?

Every time I say something, he corrects me.

So this is, my son was with me when Dr.

Ben ended up flying me to lecture with him in Washington, D.

C.

My son Taharqa was with me.

When Dr.

Ben saw my lecture on Imhotep, Dr.

Ben was so impressed with that lecture, two months later I

was lecturing with him in D.

C.

So these are things that I, like I had no control over that.

I had no control over the names.

These are things that just happen.

And so if the ancestors want you to have something, you'll get it.

That's beautiful.

Yes.

I believe that I'm so grateful for this opportunity to learn and to share

this information with so many people.

I believe that when the ancestors are ready for you to have a lesson,

that's when it's going to show up.

That's what you'll get to learn.

And so I'm just excited about this.

I really wanted to focus on like helping people understand and Just how black

astrology actually is like it's one of those things that I think so much

of what happens in society today gets divorced from its origins for so many

reasons colonialism being one of them.

White supremacy being one of them, but I think it's important whenever you

have the opportunity, especially on occasions like the subject of Juneteenth,

we know that Black history is 24 7 365, but when it's highlighted, when

it's in the It's important to make sure that we use that opportunity to

point things back to the source to the origin and apply proper recognition

and give credit where credit is due.

And so I just want people to really understand like the origins of it.

There's something I think that should be mentioned as important

is that when they built the Greeks, No, the ies, they rebuilt a lot of

the temples that were ruins in Kemet.

We had massive invasions of people time after the Persians came in, excuse

me, all kinds of people invaded Kemet.

And so, when they built Dendera and Edfu,

some of the things, the items from Mesopotamia, some of the astrology from

there was integrated with the Kemetic.

, and so that's where Dendera has the combination.

of elements.

Now this is very important though because there were black

people also in Mesopotamia.

This was long before the Babylonians.

We had you know, we had black people there.

And when I, when my brain gets moving so fast, man Sumerians,

Sumer, from Sumer, Sumerians and people like that, they were black, black people.

And so over the years what eventually came to be the astronomy of

Mesopotamia, when time was integrated with the astronomy in Kemet.

And so a lot of the stuff that we have today is the, the sum total of the

two that was put together at Dendera.

and at Edfu in particular.

Those two sites in particular.

I want to make sure I mention that because there are astrologers

out here who know that.

Who know that Dendera and the Temple of Hathor and all those temples that we

have throughout Kemet that were rebuilt.

They were rebuilt by Black Egyptian priests and they were built under

the governance of the Ptolemies who were a Greek population.

And they were there for about 300 years in Kemet.

And so Cleopatra was the very last one.

And she is the one that introduced, with Sosogenes, the Kemetic

calendar into the Western world.

That's how it got introduced there.

So, I just wanted to make that distinction.

I think it's also important to mention culture in general.

And, like, when you look at different African civilizations, It's culture.

There's not a separation from the way you eat, the music you

listen to, your spirituality.

It's all a part of the culture.

And when you think about colonialism and the introduction of Christianity,

and I'm not here to rag on Christianity at all, because I know

there's Black people, there's so many of us, our family included.

Yeah, most of our family are Christian.

That was really a deconstruction of the culture in a separation from the culture.

So when we think about the spirituality that we were practicing in our native

land, that included deities, which is a direct connection to the gods of

ancient Egypt, wHathor you're in Ghana or, West Africa, if you're in, Africa.

East Africa.

There, there's so many similarities between the cultures that can't be

ignored because it's the same continent.

They're very different, but they all have a similar origin.

And so I think a lot of it is just the, colonialism, the spread

of, Christianity as we know it.

I like

to use rap music as an example because rap was started by black folks.

Curtis Blow and all those cats like that.

They started rap.

So now you got Eminem.

You got all these different people who are rappers.

But, the the synthesis of what we call rap today comes from a basic configuration

that was created by Black people.

And that goes back, that goes all the way back to soul

music, , to New Orleans, to jazz.

Those are all art forms that Black people used to express themselves to help

them overcome the difficult conditions that they experienced during slavery.

So the creativity of Black people was what emanated from the

struggle that we had to deal with.

And so rap is no different.

It came out of that same need to survive from a difficult situation.

But rap is universal.

You got white folks in England singing rap.

You got white people in Davenport, Iowa, all over the place doing stuff.

But the foundation of it, just like with Kemet, because black people,

that's where it starts, you know?

And it's just no way to argue with that.

And, you know, my people, look, Christianity, Christianity

exists because Kemet existed.

Right.

The churches of, of Christianity, I've shown that

with the Vatican and the Karnak temple that starts with Kemet.

So going to church...

You wasn't going to church until Karnak got started.

When, I don't know if you not, maybe not old enough to remember, but Johnny

Carson, I used to watch The Jo today.

I watched Jimmy Kimball.

. When I was coming up, I watched Johnny Carson.

Johnny Carson used to have his turban.

He had this little skit.

He'd have a turban on and he'd have a letter.

And he put the letter next to his turban, and then he'll psychically decipher

what's in the letter, that kind of thing.

But his name, when he did that, was called the Great Karnak.

That was what he, go look it up.

Look up Johnny Carson and the Great Karnak, and you'll see him with that

little envelope sticking into a turban.

Karnak, it showed you the power of Karnak.

That it was still prevalent, even when Johnny Carson came up with his

He was the original talk show host.

Merv Griffin.

Those guys were the original talk show hosts.

But he had Karnak with a turban and a letter showing the power and

majesty of Karnak in his expression of being a wise man on TV when

he's cracking jokes, you know.

And last point about that.

Astrology is so interwoven within Christianity and I think, well, there's,

there was a time where Christianity, where astrology no longer served.

That like priests were astrologers.

There was no separation when we're talking about the history of astrology.

And we're not just talking about in Kemet or Egypt, we're talking

about just in general in Europe.

And so with the spread of Christianity, if you go walk through the Vatican, if

you go to any, I was just in Columbia, you will see the astrological symbols.

all throughout churches.

They're there in wide open.

And it's so funny that those are the, some of the people that fight it the

most, just don't understand that it's integrated within the history of it all.

And it's right in front of their face when they go to church,

especially Catholic church.

So there is, I hate that there's a separation.

Like you don't have to, you can be Christian and And use astrology as a tool.

You can be Muslim.

You can have any type of religion.

It's not a religion.

It's a tool that is used for me personally to help navigate my

life and understand myself better.

And so I just wanted to make that point because.

There's always that contention that people that don't understand it.

It's like, well, it's interwoven in your religion.

You just haven't taken time to really study the history.

That's why history is so important.

Some people run you out of the church and call you the devil.

Right.

I'm like, there's the four big signs right there, Taurus, Scorpio,

Aquarius, and Leo right in front of your face on your stained glass.

wow, that's really powerful.

Yeah, I think that having that understanding of how so many things

are intertwined and, we may not be aware of them, but we're still

in some ways impacted by them.

And so taking the time to really understand that and having people

such as yourselves to really help us get those connections and understand

those things is really amazing.

And, we've talked a lot about How astrology is connected

to things in the present day.

I would love to take a step back and like see how astrology was used

in those times in ancient Africa.

Like, was it more so, what we have like today where it's more of this

introspective kind of focus and It is driven by a need to necessarily

understand oneself, or did it have more of an agricultural focus

or just a focus on just really understanding the heavens in general?

A lot was mundane astrology, which is like the study of everyday,

just understanding life around you.

I'm just speaking generally, but I'll look and go.

Yeah, well, building, building, astrology,

all those are related, man.

Agriculture is all related.

The rising

of Sirius, when the flooding of the Nile happened.

Um, so it was a lot to understand.

It was the topographical, geographical, astrological, and

topographical, geographical, astrological, astronomical.

No, as, what am I missing?

Geographical.

Geographical.

Lemme get myself.

Geographical geological.

Geological topographical.

And astronomical.

Astronomical

topography is the terrain.

And so the geology is actually spread and the lay of the land.

And so the astronomical is the most important part in terms of

where we sit in this universe.

And so in Kemet, they knew about Mars, and they knew about planets, and they

had all that mapped out in tombs.

You know, there were no Europeans with no

knowledge like that when that

happened.

None.

The journey of Ra.

So that's like such an important, the reason they believe the sun rose

and set was because he was going on this journey to fight Apophis,

or Apeth, to fight the serpent.

And because he was victorious, we had sunlight every day.

So that alone is the

place that took place.

That's what the horizon, that's where it took place.

The battle between Horus and Set.

Wow.

these are the things I've covered for years, man.

I got books I've written, but I just haven't been able to get them out.

Hopefully now I'll be able to get them out.

I got my first one coming out.

I think the main difference is it was just a part of survival.

Now we use it as a separate tool.

Like

more psychological, but when you're in a minute, a time where there's no

electricity and you can see the stars and like, it's just a part of life.

It's just is.

And so, that's why it's called mundane astrology.

Astrologers call it that, but it's just, it's ingrained in your life.

When you go to Kemet at night, you see stars

everywhere.

You, you see stars you never knew existed and you can see

it's like a blanket of stars.

It's like something you've never seen before.

Because you're under the spotlights of L.

A.

and the traffic lights and lights, they blur everything.

You don't even know there's stars up there.

When you go to a place like that, when she's been there,

she, you can see the stars, man.

And you say, wow, this is why stars were so important.

Cause you can see them, man.

They're like big lamps in the heaven.

Yeah, that's really powerful.

And I love that that, Tamerri has really been able to take a lot of

what it is that, that she's done with her experiences growing up.

As well as her experiences with traveling to Egypt and with being able

to do a lot of the things that she's done and put that into her branding,

put that into, her whole company.

Like, I just think that's really powerful.

And I would love to talk more about that and talk about why it was such a an

important part for you to make sure that that was represented in your business

and how it is that you, through your products, help people to bring a little

bit of that into their day to day lives.

Yeah, I always just follow the signs.

I'm very driven, but I, at some point I just let things happen.

And I think that's when the magic of life really happens.

I'm actually listening to this.

That's about surrender.

And so for me, I always thought, Oh, I might have a product line.

Cause I worked in beauty.

I was making products for everybody else.

But I didn't want to just like slap a Zodiac sign.

I had that opportunity to partnerships.

Hey, let's make a Zodiac collection.

And that always felt really inauthentic to me.

There was no connection.

So it just, I got a download about the healing aspect.

Cause you know, through it, with Astrofashionista, I'm always

talking mainly to women in these intimate one on one sessions.

And people are like, after the session I give this information and some

of them are still wanting stuff.

They either want, you know, I need a therapist.

I need to recommend them to, or, Some sort of tool.

And so the way that I live my life and I'm really about ritual.

I mean, I grew up, I didn't realize how important it was that, we celebrated

Kwanzaa, we prayed to our ancestors, we had libation, like all of these

things were ingrained in my upbringing.

So I really felt, I still feel connected to it.

I'm always burning incense.

I'm always like, scent, all of that is super important.

It was important in Kemet, like that was a big part, like

he's more of the history part.

The diameter,

the diameter of your knowledge.

Is equivalent to the circumference of your activities.

Yeah.

If your knowledge consists of one book, your

diameter is a small diameter.

So if you got the Bible, the Holy Quran, you got the Torah, you got

the Book of Coming Forth by Day, the Book of the Dead, and you got all

these books, you see you got a much larger circumference of activities.

So you can't just sit around talking about, I goes by the

Bible, I goes by the Bible.

You got a very small circumference of activity when you do that.

So, yeah.

Powerful message.

Oh, what I was saying.

That's a great point.

Cause basically he, I was exposed to a lot of different things.

And so, for me, I got the connection to provide a tool for

healing through product, because that's what I know how to do.

I'm really good at scent and sensory.

The Taurus, I love beauty and aesthetics.

I'm a perfectionist and I, the, the Egypt, it just came.

I was like, It just came to me one day.

I said, I'm going to connect that because that's my other love.

That's the thing that I grew up in.

I've, it's, I was around it my whole life, my name.

And then when I asked my brother, I gave him the idea.

He said, Gift of the Nile.

I'm like, Oh yeah duh, like I was trying to come up with some name.

He's like, it's Gift of the Nile.

And I said, that's it.

So it just kind of all organically.

That's who you are.

Yeah, Sagittarius.

That's who you are.

Sagittarius brother.

Yeah, so.

You were born with that.

It just came together, and as I was working on it, and I was

like, I could tell, cos I've always been into, the history part is important.

My brother is a history buff, too, Sag.

For me, I was always interested in the mythology.

I loved that part.

I loved the stories, story of, Isis, Asset, and Osiris, and Heru, and Asar.

I was always drawn to that.

So for me, that integration with the products was like what I was drawn to.

So, yeah, the story just came together and I started working on it.

And I said, I'm just going to put, this out.

And at the same, at the time I was applying to business school at

UCLA and I wrote about that in my personal statement that I wanted to

build this global wellness brand.

And that's kind of how it was born.

So it was very organic and very authentic to me.

It's something that I feel like is my point of difference.

It can't be replicated.

A lot of people have aromatherapy.

That's not a new concept.

I didn't invent it.

But this is my take on it.

And it also incorporates both of my, my parents, my dad's influence on me.

And my mom is the healing aspect.

I would say if I could have helped her, I would have, you know, and I

think that's why I do the, I know that's why I do the work that I do

and why I experienced that because I'm supposed to be my executive coach.

She came up with three words for my, Purpose, Leader, Healer, Teacher,

which I knew my purpose, but she summed it up in those three words.

And so to me, that's, it was easy for me to do something

that's authentically myself.

And it's the thing I'm most passionate about and it doesn't feel like work.

It's fun to me.

Her mom would be so incredibly proud of her right now.

Capricorn.

Uh, yes, she's a Capricorn

The things she's been able to achieve, man, and the circumstances

under which she's been able to achieve them have been remarkable.

So, yeah, I have no doubt about it that Sherry Ater is very pleased

Yes.

Yes.

of her daughter.

She talks to me all

the time.

No question about it.

Mm

love that journey.

And, I got to witness a part of that.

And, the whole conversation as Mathu was speaking, Mr.

Ater was speaking, I was like, envisioning the Instagram post that Tamerri did where

she was going to, the different temples.

You were traveling on the Nile on the boats.

You had a particular instance where you went into this perfumery, this

shop where there were all these oils and authentic Egyptian oils.

And you were having this experiences there.

And I was just following you along this journey on Instagram.

And as I mentioned I don't think I usually do a better job of this,

but when I usually start a podcast, I talk about how I know a person.

And I think we talked about it before we started recording.

So just to give people a little bit of a background, I had the beautiful

pleasure of meeting to Tamerri.

In 2020, during a business mastermind course that I was taking and in it, we

had like this networking session with other cohort members and a friend of hers

Toussaint, I forget Toussaint's last name, but he was in one of the cohorts with me.

And he at the networking event, when we were talking about, our

different businesses, our business being Cosmusic, which is an app

that will create a personal theme song based on your astrology.

He said, Oh, you're going to do astrology.

I have to tell you about my friend, my friend Tamerri.

She's an astrologer.

She's been doing astrology since I can remember ever since I met her.

She does all this other great stuff and beauty.

And if you're interested I would love to introduce you and connect you to.

And so that's how I got the pleasure of meeting you through

this business mastermind that Paul Paul Brunson was putting on.

He's like this famous matchmaker that a lot of people know.

But he also does a lot of business.

He has articles in the business journals I forget the name of them now, but he

does a lot of stuff in business journalism and with black enterprise as well.

And so he was putting on this cohort and Toussaint helped me get connected to you.

And so it's just been so wonderful being able to watch your journey.

And you've just been so open with giving me different tips and advice.

And of course, seeing what you're doing astrologically and helping people along

their journey has just been so powerful.

So when I saw you in Egypt and And I saw you in this perfumery and I was like,

you need to pay attention because she's probably getting ready to do something

and whatever it is, you want it.

And I was just blown away.

So let me just fangirl out just a little bit.

This is her product.

It's not, I don't have the best camera, but this is one of many.

And when I tell you that the Gift of the Nile.

is unlike any other aroma experience that I've ever had.

It's, it is luxury personified.

Hello Taurus.

It is definitely something that has a spiritual aspect to it because when you

spray the scents, the olfactory is such a powerful it's very primordial, and I don't

think people really understand how much of that there are two parts of us that we

can't really close our ears and our nose.

So it's really impactful for us to be able to have

something that's aromatherapy that we can, we can spray, we can smell

and all of them have Kemetic names.

All of them have a connection to Kemetic deities.

And it's just really powerful to be able to add this to my personal ritual journey.

Every day in my meditations, like, It is amazing.

So I'm going to let you talk about it, but I really just had to give you your due and

to know that I'm now being in the presence of the man who made so much of this

possible by infusing his journey with this beautiful history that we have as African

people to be able to share that experience and just to give you your flowers,

Thank you.

it's really amazing.

a lot to me.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I mean, you said it best.

It's really products.

I, one of the things in my, my deck, my presentation deck is the world has

enough beauty products where people need is healing and I'm a beauty girl.

Don't get me wrong.

That's my, one of my loves, but I really think if people took time to.

We're in such a busy time.

So it's important to have those rituals for yourself.

It's important to meditate.

It's important to take, to breathe.

People forget to breathe.

It's important to take a walk.

And these are simple things that are free for us, right?

And so my products really are designed to help you on those journeys.

I call it micro moments of peace throughout your day.

And that's really what it is.

So you were holding up the aromatherapy mood and body mist, the ma'at.

That's for overall balance,

Yes,

one of the most important goddesses, deities of, Kemet.

And so, I have Hathor, I have a Hathor love collection which is not only

about romantic love, it's self love because right after I launched the

collection, I decided to get a divorce.

So, everything that I use, I, It's authentic.

I'm not just putting things out there for people to buy.

I live and breathe by it myself.

And it helps me.

So everything that I do, I want people to feel the way you described how you feel.

So that means I'm doing something right.

Yeah.

So thank you for that.

Well, beloved, I've been so, impressed with this program,

it's certainly been a pleasure and an honor to be in your presence

and with Tamerri Zamaih Ater.

, it's you.

It's good to see the young people are continuing to carry on this tradition that

we have and that we've had from others.

, going back to my father and my mother and all the things that I had to

deal with when I was a little kid.

And she never met her grandmother, but she met her grandfather and she loved her

grandfather and her grandfather loved her.

Virgo.

Yeah, so we do what we can do, man.

Whenever we can do it.

So, it's been my pleasure with you.

being with you.

Mr.

Ater, I really appreciate your time and I can wrap things up with Tamerri.

I just wanted to say thank you so much and I have appreciated everything.

I'm going to go back through this and soak up some things that you said, and

I may have some follow up questions on like how to make sure I'm citing things

correctly and spelling them correctly, but I greatly appreciate you joining us

on the Confidence by the STARS podcast.

And I look forward to staying in contact at least.

Definitely.

You got some photographs so she can help you integrate those into, into the

format of how you put that together.

Okay.

So, it's been my pleasure.

Thank you!

I'm gonna get up before I won't be able to stand up.

I love you, daughter.

Aw, that's so sweet!

That's my gift.

Since she, when she first came out, when she was born, the day she was born,

she got the nickname Scooter, because she was already scootin We went to see

her for the first time, she was scootin already had her head up in the air,

and she'd already had a bowel movement.

I knew she was gonna be special.

Beautiful.

so much, Mr.

Ater.

But yeah, I only have, like, I have, like, maybe a couple more questions, to Tamerri.

Where do you think we would be without the contributions of

Blacks in astrology and astronomy?

How different would you see the world?

How different do you think the world would be without those contributions?

very different.

I mean, it's hard to say, but there maybe we wouldn't have those things.

I mean, that's the only thing I can.

I mean, maybe we would.

It might have been just a different

set of people.

That the world is not does not belong to any particular group.

So that sounds very, you know, egocentric, but I think it's more important

to acknowledge that people should recognize our contribution, because

that's one of the things like my dad mentioned that they, the history and

them trying to erase it.

And it's been, this is not a, this is nothing new.

If you go to Kemet, they've knocked noses and lips off of statues to not show

the African, clearly African features.

This has been intentionally done to, to keep the agenda that Black

people are inferior going, right?

So I think it's more important to talk about, And that's why

we're, we're not saying these things just to be, to say them.

The reason why my dad keeps emphasizing these were Black people

is because they've tried to deny it.

And that in turn has affected our entire race of children who don't understand that

they come from a line of greatness, that they are smart, that they were teachers.

We come from a line of teachers.

Kemet was like the Harvard of the time where people came to study there.

, and Africa in general was a beautiful.

And, luscious and still is resourceful place because people are still trying

to take our resources from there.

So it's just, whatever narrative that's being made it's

important for us to reverse it.

And now I realize how important it was.

Why?

I mean, I was raised very, very, pro-Black.

Like that was ingrained in me from a young girl.

Like you are Black.

This is beautiful.

People want to be Black like and it was a reverse brainwashing that

I realized that my dad was doing because he knew I would go into the

world and I would be told otherwise.

And so that was it all makes sense.

So I think it's more important to talk about.

Why we are always saying I'm Black, we have to shout it

because no one else believes it or they don't want us to know it.

And we're already as a race behind and we, it wasn't always that way.

So that's why our history is so important.

Because we're just trying to get back to a level playing field in this modern day.

And it's to know where we came from is important.

Can

Absolutely.

It's absolutely essential that, we take the time to understand and we, we

have examples and we have information and access to information that

can help us elevate our knowledge.

. So, I loved having this conversation with you and your dad.

It's just a great conversation.

It's been such a joy and I really hope that the viewers and the listeners

understand like how powerful this information is, how amazing it is to

be able to talk with someone who's knowledgeable, who's experienced and even

someone who embodies the very essence of a lot of this rich African, ancient

African history that we have and to be able to engage and to share this.

It's just like Truly a gift.

And I love the fact that, on the topic of gifts one of the stories that I

really resonate with in my understanding and exploration of Egyptology and

Kemet and the Kemetic history.

It's the story of the Magi and how they came and they gave these gifts to Heru and

they were all different little blessings.

And I feel like we all have our own journey and we all need things along

that journey to help us, to bless us, to help us, be able to grow.

And so that's what I like to call the three whys and I would love

to know if there are gifts that you've received along your journey.

They can be sayings that you have come across that have helped you.

They can be people, what I call sages that have been helpful to you, or they

can be sounds, things like movies or even something, that it's very, very

mundane that have been gifts to you.

So just three of those, they can be one of each or however you want to go about it.

Yeah.

I mean, I've, it's been so many blessings that I've received.

I would say people has been a big one.

WHathor it's like, the Astro twins, me having to work in their manager's office,

like that was definitely a divine thing.

Or People that like bosses that I've worked with that's really, that

really supported me in my career.

I don't know if there's like this one defining, but I

have that a lot in my life.

There's a lot of synchronicity around me.

And I think everybody has that ability, but it happens so often for me that

I don't believe in any coincidences.

So I think the people that I meet are a big one.

There's the one thing that I'm really trying to lean into is presence.

And I fight with that every single day.

There's this journal that I had.

I've gotten years ago, actually.

It's just a book and it says life is a journey, not a destination.

I used to plan my business stuff in this journal.

Maybe almost 10 years ago.

And I'm always constantly trying to remind myself of that as a achiever and someone

that's always chasing the next thing.

I'm tired, and I don't want to live in that.

I want to really I've always wanted like inner peace has

always been really my goal.

So I'm constantly chasing, trying to accept whatever I'm going through

at the moment as like, really.

Surrender and trust that it's happening and live in that time.

So that would be the second thing.

The third thing I guess would be my, my family, I would say.

And I think family dynamics are always complicated for everyone.

No one comes, I don't know people that have a perfect family.

If they claim, please write and let us know.

and so, our family is no different.

I feel like there's been so many gifts through it, but I've had so

many tragedies surrounding family outside of my mom, just so much there.

But I think that lineage, like I think to, Be born with my dad as my

father was like a big gift for me.

Yeah, I feel a lot of burden and responsibility around him.

Like sometimes we have, I have a North note in Gemini in, Southnode

and Sag, and he has Southnode in Gemini, Northnode in Sag.

So we have like this past life thing.

I think maybe it was his mom at one point.

I don't know.

You know, that gets like a little new agey, but there's just that special,

there's a thing there that I'm very grateful for because obviously what

he's poured into me is so much of who I am and that I still carry.

I'm not trying to run from that part of myself.

I think, you know, and I think I'm like the exact blend of both of my parents

and their skill sets and who they are.

Like I, I am that.

I could see that in both of them.

So I, that would probably be the third thing.

Beautiful.

I love that.

Tamerri, it has been Such a pleasure to be able to talk with you and to hear

your journey, to absorb the wisdom and knowledge and information from your

dad, and to just have the opportunity to learn from you and to share.

And so thank you so much for being a part of the Confidence by the STARS

podcast, I would love for you to share with the listeners and the viewers how

they can stay connected with you in any special things that you would like for

them to know to be able to continue.

Yeah.

If you thank you for this opportunity.

If you want to reach me for an astrology reading you can reach

me at Astrofashionista.com.

That's exactly how it's spelled astro and then fashionista.

That's where you can book an astrology reading.

If you want to try Gift of the Nile for yourself, you

can go to TheGiftoftheNile.Com and shop the products.

And I don't know if I have anything.

immediate on the horizon in terms of, you know, just look out for more

products and sign up for my mailing list.

You also have a podcast.

Oh yes.

The Astrology Chronicles.

And that is on Spotify, Apple and YouTube.

And yeah, just follow me on Instagram or social media at

Astrofashionista and Gift of the Nile.

Just keep in touch.

That's probably the easiest way to, to hear what I have got going on.

Fantastic.

Well, yes, we definitely want you guys to connect with Tamerri.

Is there any place that we would be able to connect with your dad or,

I mean, he's mentioned a couple of times he has some books in the works,

so I would love to know more about those things for him.

He's on Facebook, okay?

Like all the elders.

No, I'm just, I'm like joking, but I'm not joking.

So if you really want to reach him.

Find him on Facebook.

He'll be on there.

Um, other, I need to like, there needs to be, I have his domain name.

We need a whole relaunch of his brand.

That's a whole thing in itself, but his books, he's actually been working on

for a very long time and I've seen it.

They have them.

He has about three of them.

So I don't know which one, I think one that's going to be released first is

on Imhotep . So if you follow me, you'll probably hear about it because

obviously that'll be a big thing for me as well to be able to promote that.

But yeah, if you really want to reach him, go to Facebook and

send him a message and look at it.

Go put them on YouTube.

A lot of people have put his stuff from years ago on YouTube.

You can watch a lot of his, older lectures and get some of the knowledge in in

more time, there's more time on those.

So, I know he talked a lot here, but yeah, those lectures are more thorough.

Fantastic.

Well, yeah, we will absolutely do that.

And again, thank you so much for coming to Confidence by the

STARS and it's been a pleasure.

Thank you.

Awesome.