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It's Halloween in Spring as we talk about Supernatural Season 4, Episode 7 "It's the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester." Liz's head explodes at the turn they took at the origin of Halloween, and she attempts to recover by investigating if the ancient Celts really committed ritual sacrifice. And then there are the nips, man. The nips.
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Speaker A:This week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast, we're going to talk season four, episode seven, it's the Great Pumpkin.
Speaker A:Sam Winchester.
Speaker A:I'm Diana.
Speaker B:Hi, Diana.
Speaker B:I'm Liz.
Speaker A:How are you this week?
Speaker B:I'm good.
Speaker B:I'm busy and stressed getting ready to go to the Eduardo Ball in San Francisco.
Speaker B:Of course, outfits not nearly like where I intended them to be.
Speaker B:Tomorrow, I'm sure will be a mad day of me sewing things and gluing and bedazzling and all sorts of things.
Speaker B:And I really want to like, like if you're a drag queen or a burlesque girl, how the do you travel?
Speaker B:Because I've been going to more and more things across places where I'm taking massive amounts of stuff and it's, it's very stressful trying to figure out how, what, what's going on the plane, what's going in my bag, what size bag I need.
Speaker B:Like, this is, it's a lot.
Speaker A:So any drag queen and burlesque dancer tips, travel tips.
Speaker A:That's fun.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:I spent some time doing household projects and now we're getting ready for something.
Speaker A:We have entered, we have, we have entered the birthday week.
Speaker A:So we went to dinner with our car club because we had several people with birthdays around this time and need our favorites, like one of our favorite spots in Deep Ellum Niwa Japanese barbecue and then went hung out at Thunderbird station for some beers.
Speaker A:So that was fun and that just been working a lot around the house after being out of town so much recently and getting ready to do some celebrating.
Speaker A:By the time you're watching this or hearing this, I will have already had my birthday, but I'll still be celebrating because that's what we do.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, that's what we do.
Speaker B:Because why?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:But because everybody schedules are stupid and it takes everybody's schedule stupid and it takes that long to get all the gatherings done, even if it's just family.
Speaker A:No, I'm kidding.
Speaker A:But yes.
Speaker A:Thank you very much.
Speaker A:Liz is super fucking sweet.
Speaker A:Before she got a tent, has to go out of town, she sent me an amazing pack of Nadia cakes, April Fool's Day's cupcakes And so they're hilarious and adorable.
Speaker A:And I ate one immediately.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Okay, so you have the.
Speaker B:So these.
Speaker B:They're all, like, the food fakeries, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I know you said you ate the fried rice rice one.
Speaker B:What was the actual flavor?
Speaker A:Caramel?
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, I think so.
Speaker B:There is, I think a sushi one.
Speaker B:Was there a Mac and cheese one?
Speaker B:No, I know.
Speaker A:Sushi donut, unicorn poop, kitty litter.
Speaker B:Oh, the kitty litter one.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:You're gonna make baby that one.
Speaker A:Or probably.
Speaker A:There's an adorable one.
Speaker A:It's a snow cone.
Speaker A:It's really cute.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But, yeah, super delicious.
Speaker A:And right before we started tonight, she shared with me that she got me a cameo.
Speaker B:I did.
Speaker B:I did.
Speaker B:I got her a cameo.
Speaker A:It was amazing.
Speaker B:And my.
Speaker A:My guilty pleasure TV show watch, if I haven't mentioned it, is 90 Day Fiance.
Speaker A:All the iterations except for pillow talk.
Speaker A:I don't get into, like, watching other people watch a show.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:I can't.
Speaker A:I know a lot of people like it.
Speaker A:I can't get into it.
Speaker A:Like, I want to watch the show myself.
Speaker A:And it was amazing.
Speaker A:They talked for a very long time.
Speaker B:Who was it from 98.
Speaker B:You didn't say who it was.
Speaker A:Oh, it was Kenny, and I just blanked.
Speaker A:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker A:It was from last season.
Speaker A:Kenny.
Speaker A:And they just got married, and they live in Mexico on the beach, and it's beautiful, and they had an amazing wedding.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:It's Armando.
Speaker A:Armando.
Speaker A:I want to say Eduardo.
Speaker A:I'm like, no, it's Armando, God damn it.
Speaker A:Kenny and Armando.
Speaker A:And they were adorbs and sweet and thoughtful, and their message was long, and I loved it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I was very impressed.
Speaker B:I feel like I got, like, a cameo.
Speaker B:Money worth.
Speaker B:I was.
Speaker B:This is the first time, like, I'm a camp.
Speaker B:I popped my cameo cherry, and I was pleasantly surprised that after I said that, I was like, fuck, I should have done a Supernatural.
Speaker B:But in a way, this is even more unexpected for me to send that to you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because you're not a 90 Day Fiance fan.
Speaker B:Nope.
Speaker B:I had to ask, babe.
Speaker B:I'm like, babe?
Speaker B:Well, I didn't call him babe.
Speaker B:I was like.
Speaker B:It was like, who on this show?
Speaker B:Like, I don't know.
Speaker B:Like, I looked at the page.
Speaker B:I'm like, nope, I got nothing.
Speaker B:I don't know who any of these people are.
Speaker A:Well, at least.
Speaker A:At least, like, you know, because to be fair, there are people that on there that you hate.
Speaker A:Watch.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:On A show like that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And they.
Speaker A:Kenny and Armando are not those people.
Speaker A:They're people you actually enjoy and you root for, so it's even better.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:Yay.
Speaker B:So happy birthday, Diana.
Speaker B:Thanks.
Speaker B:And we will celebrate it by recording a podcast about the television show Supernatural.
Speaker A:Of course.
Speaker B:So we are on season four of.
Speaker B:Oh, wait, wait, wait.
Speaker B:What are you drinking?
Speaker A:Sangiovese.
Speaker A:I don't remember which one.
Speaker A:Dave went and got me a.
Speaker A:We have our fancy new wine cooler, two zones.
Speaker A:Anyways, so we stocked up and it's a Sangiovese from.
Speaker A:I don't know which one.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker B:I am drinking a petite verdot from Paso from.
Speaker B:Well, from Graveyard.
Speaker B:So because I'm that gothy, I am drinking to go.
Speaker B:Yeah, this is in Graveyard Vineyards.
Speaker B: It is a: Speaker B:This.
Speaker B:The wine actually comes from California, but they have a place here that I've talked about before.
Speaker B:So I was going back and forth about whether or not I wanted to drink tonight, and then I just said, fuck it.
Speaker A:Yeah, same.
Speaker B:Well, it's where I was like, I'm going to.
Speaker B:I'm going to open this bottle, and then if I don't drink, drink it tonight and tomorrow, that it's just going to go bad.
Speaker B:I'm gone.
Speaker B:But then I was like, you know what?
Speaker A:While I pack.
Speaker B:Yeah, while I pack, I like to have a glass of wine.
Speaker B:I don't know, it feels like getting ready for a trip and I'm all.
Speaker A:Like, getting vacation voted.
Speaker B:Yeah, Getting vacation voted.
Speaker B:All right, so back to the show.
Speaker B:This is season four, episode seven.
Speaker B:It's the great pumpkin, Sam Winchester.
Speaker B: th,: Speaker A:Whoa.
Speaker B:So surprising.
Speaker B:This was directed by Charles Beeson, and this is the first time for the writer, Julie Siege.
Speaker B:But we will get to see some more work coming from her, and I'm going to stop talking about it right now because I'm about to burp.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:So this episode, the recap, kicks off with a lot of.
Speaker A:I've learned when I'm watching the recap, that they give you a little bit of a.
Speaker A:Like, a leading hint about where this episode might be going in some ways, which I've enjoyed noticing.
Speaker A:This one had ghosts and vampires, cats, Lilith and Sam using his crazy psychic demon skills.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:And what do you think we'll see in this episode?
Speaker B:I don't know, but here comes Halloween.
Speaker B:Here comes Halloween.
Speaker B:Sometimes it is good to do this show in the.
Speaker B:You know, because it's.
Speaker B:What month is it?
Speaker B:It's March.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's March.
Speaker B:I Was like, wait, I feel like it's spring.
Speaker B:But, like, so we get to do Halloween in spring and.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Which is exciting.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it's two days before Halloween, and you can see a neighborhood with a bunch of Halloween decorations up.
Speaker A:And a woman is walking up to her house.
Speaker A:She's carrying a pumpkin and candy.
Speaker A:Walks in and sees a man who is obviously her husband in this scenario, feeding a baby who is covered in food.
Speaker A:And it's fucking gross.
Speaker A:Sorry, but it is.
Speaker A:And also this can smell it.
Speaker A:Like, I can smell the baby and the baby food.
Speaker B:And I'm like, sorry, he needs a shower.
Speaker A:Obviously, we aren't.
Speaker A:We are not breeders.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker B:You're not supposed to call them that to their face, Diana.
Speaker A:Well, I'm saying we're not.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:I mean, I'm trying to.
Speaker B:We have.
Speaker B:We have.
Speaker B:We have.
Speaker B:Much I love for you.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:I. I have.
Speaker A:I've.
Speaker A:I've got amazing children in my life.
Speaker A:I'm not.
Speaker B:Yeah, but that dude smells.
Speaker B:And that baby smelled and that kitchen smelled.
Speaker B:But this town is doing Halloween, like, completely, man.
Speaker A:They are decorated.
Speaker B:They are all houses decorated.
Speaker B:Like, she's like, yeah, I got this massive candy because all these fucking kids are coming here.
Speaker B:And I'm like, yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And she's like, oh, I had to, like, fight off this other bitch to get the last thing of candy.
Speaker A:Don't eat any.
Speaker A:So she tells her husband, which, you know, he's definitely going to eat some.
Speaker B:And his men are big on babies, is why.
Speaker B:Bigger baby.
Speaker B:That carrot.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And she walks off to take the baby for a bath.
Speaker B:Good.
Speaker A:It needs it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:She's like, yeah, that's the first thing I can do.
Speaker B:Why have you not bathed this child yet?
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:He's covered in food.
Speaker A:This is gross.
Speaker A:Yeah, he, of course, the husband is, of course, sneaking candy sometimes.
Speaker A:Why don't they just listen anyways?
Speaker B:Well, he should have listened.
Speaker A:He really should have listened.
Speaker B:See, he got learned the hard way.
Speaker A:This was a little distressing.
Speaker A:When they do.
Speaker A:The shot of.
Speaker B:His shot is awful.
Speaker B:This shot is so bad.
Speaker A:So we see the camera shot inside his mouth as he's reaching back in his throat.
Speaker A:And you see the reflection of a fucking razor blade in the roof of his, like, back of his mouth.
Speaker A:Slash, throat.
Speaker A:What the fuck?
Speaker A:Yeah, and he's like.
Speaker A:Pulls it out and, like, throws it.
Speaker B:That's even worse.
Speaker B:Like, I think, like, pulling it out is even worse.
Speaker A:Well, what do you do?
Speaker A:You can't leave it in there.
Speaker B:What the.
Speaker B:No, but I probably would have Cut my tongue on it like, a thousand times.
Speaker A:Well, that is a little, like.
Speaker B:I think you would like feeling it.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm feeling it when one of the.
Speaker B:The many traumatic experiences of me growing up, I had one of those, like, mouth appliances because I have such a strong overbite.
Speaker B:And so it has the thing to keep you from being a tongue thruster on it.
Speaker B:And because, yes, shockingly, I was a tongue thruster at a young age.
Speaker B:And basically it was like these two metal spikes that were attached to this, like, retainer so that if you, like, swallowed and your tongue went forward, which is pushing my teeth out, that it would stab you.
Speaker B:So, like, you're.
Speaker B:That's supposed to condition you to not do that.
Speaker A:Did it work?
Speaker B:But no, I just stabbed myself every time I swallowed.
Speaker B:Like, that's.
Speaker B:So while this razor blade is real gross, I'm also like, yeah, I probably would have just been like, what.
Speaker A:What.
Speaker B:What is that?
Speaker A:Anyway, so he throws on the ground and he falls down and he's coughing up blood and razor blades.
Speaker A:And she walks in and she screams and he dead.
Speaker A:Like,.
Speaker B:I don't even know what I would do.
Speaker B:Like, I would just leave.
Speaker B:I would just pick up the baby, like, get in my car and go.
Speaker A:Like,.
Speaker B:I can't even imagine that.
Speaker B:Call, like, to 901.
Speaker B:Like, hello, what's your emergency?
Speaker A:My husband ate the Halloween candy.
Speaker A:I told him fucking not to.
Speaker A:And now he's dead because he choked on razor blade.
Speaker A:He didn't listen.
Speaker B:He did not listen.
Speaker B:And I guess then I know I.
Speaker A:Didn't kill the woman.
Speaker A:I didn't kill him.
Speaker B:He choked on razor.
Speaker B:I told him not to.
Speaker B:And then the woman would be like, oh, yeah, I got it.
Speaker B:I got.
Speaker B:Yeah, cool.
Speaker B:Fair.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Sam and Dean are there.
Speaker A:It's the next day.
Speaker A:Sam and Dean are there.
Speaker A:Yeah, next day, and Sam and Dean are there talking to this widow now.
Speaker A:And apparently they had found two razor blades on the floor.
Speaker A:So that's the one he pulled out and the one he spit up as he was falling down.
Speaker A:One in his stomach and one more in his throat.
Speaker A:Four motherfucking razor blades.
Speaker B:Well, and then she's like, how the.
Speaker A:Like, two pieces of candy.
Speaker A:How do you even get those in there?
Speaker B:Yeah, so I think, like, Sam and Dean are like, yeah, we kind of know, like, this is not normal.
Speaker B:But she's like, what?
Speaker B:Like, it was my husband a moron.
Speaker B:Like, how would it.
Speaker A:Like, he's like, no, he wasn't having an affair.
Speaker B:Bad babe.
Speaker B:Like, yeah.
Speaker A:And like, wow.
Speaker A:And it's like, no, obviously he wasn't having an affair.
Speaker A:That wasn't it.
Speaker A:And because they're asking about enemies while Sam's asking about enemies, while Dean's searching the kitchen and while he finds a hex bag.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And she's also just like, you know, pointing out that I think, you know, foreshadowing that we're going to probably be getting urban legends this episode because we do get the.
Speaker B:You hear like, she directly says you hear urban legends of this stuff, but it actually happens.
Speaker B:And you know what, shockingly about that one is that the razor blades really did you suggest be an urban legend?
Speaker B:It's been an urban legend that's been around for so long that it's fucking come true.
Speaker B:And there's at least like four or five and most to them in the past five years with the Fuck people.
Speaker B:This timeline sucks.
Speaker B:Stop putting candy, Razor blades and fucking candy.
Speaker B:What is wrong with you?
Speaker A:Fucked up.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Inexcusable.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Shooting Halloween bitches.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:And she's like.
Speaker A:And she's like, just like when they're asking about enemies.
Speaker A:She makes a really good point.
Speaker A:She's like, what?
Speaker A:Somebody who came after him by putting razor blades in some candy that he might or might not even eat?
Speaker A:And it's like, yeah, that's a very ineffective murder attempt.
Speaker B:So it's fair.
Speaker B:It's a good.
Speaker B:She's actually pretty rational.
Speaker B:I'd be like.
Speaker B:And I would have to be tap dancing around that one just being like.
Speaker B:Like Sam does.
Speaker B:It's like, well, gotta ask all the questions.
Speaker A:So we cut to the motel room and where Dean is eating candy.
Speaker A:And that's the theme that runs through this episode, by the way, is Dean eating Halloween candy?
Speaker B:He snarfs A lot of candy.
Speaker A:A lot of Halloween candy.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:And Sam's just amused because he's like, after that, you're still able to eat that.
Speaker A:But so apparently Sam is researching what was in the hex bag.
Speaker A:And it's an extinct herb.
Speaker A:Tell me about it.
Speaker A:Liz.
Speaker B:I can tell you about the herb.
Speaker B:The herb.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:Yeah, that.
Speaker B:That was.
Speaker B:That's fine.
Speaker A:That Celtic coin that he says is.
Speaker B:Like 600 years old.
Speaker B:Which first of all.
Speaker B:Just do the fucking math.
Speaker B: Years ago, that was like: Speaker B:That's not like some pre, like Druids frolicking through the windshield like that' after Braveheart.
Speaker B:Like it's before Outlander, but it's like right before Outlander.
Speaker B:Like Outlander is about to happen.
Speaker B:Like, whatever, Sam.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker A:And then the charred Metacarpal of a.
Speaker B:Baby and very specific.
Speaker B:There was a metacarpal, like, finger bone, man.
Speaker B:Just say that is a fingerboard, right?
Speaker B:Metacarpal.
Speaker B:Yeah, just say it's a fucking fingers.
Speaker A:Metacarpals and phalanges.
Speaker A:Remembered it.
Speaker A:You have to do, like, the little creepy fingers when you do it.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:Remember learning when I was, like, kid.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But it was.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, okay.
Speaker B:And that leads to lots of questions about where.
Speaker B:Where do you get the chart?
Speaker A:Where do you get.
Speaker A:Where do you get.
Speaker A:And I think it wasn't just a baby.
Speaker A:I think they said newborn.
Speaker B:He said newborn.
Speaker B:So, like, how did he.
Speaker A:Like, where do you go from baby fingers?
Speaker B:Did Sam have, like, a chart where he was just, like, holding it up.
Speaker A:To see what phone it was?
Speaker B:Like, did he have, like, some sort of carbon dating thing to be like, well, how the fuck are Detective Sam?
Speaker B:Like, how did you figure this out?
Speaker A:Yeah, it was a little ridiculous.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And Dean's been doing research on our victim, whose name is Luke Wallace.
Speaker A:And his comment was that he was so bland, basically, that he made vanilla look spicy.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So obviously there's nothing, like, around him that they would expect something to be coming after him.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:So we cut to a high school Halloween party and the start of the.
Speaker B:World's worst costume parade.
Speaker B:And this is going to happen through all of this episode costumes.
Speaker B:Okay, so this is the ones that we just have in this.
Speaker B:In this one.
Speaker B:And I don't even.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker B:I didn't mark down the guys because they were all just, like, stupid dudes in capes.
Speaker B:Like, none of the guys were in a fucking jock strap.
Speaker B:We had sexy nurse, sexy Marie Antoinette, sexy cheerleader, sexy Cleopatra, a sexy gladiator, or sexy Xena.
Speaker B:I couldn't quite decide that.
Speaker B:And also that I had sexy Cleopatra twice.
Speaker B:But, yeah, so that's just.
Speaker A:These are high school girls.
Speaker A:Of course, it was shocking.
Speaker B:But not all.
Speaker B:Like, not everybody.
Speaker B:Like, not every girl would be dressed like that.
Speaker B:Like, I don't know.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, I mean, it was a little.
Speaker A:Even in.
Speaker A:Even in Mean Girls, Cady Heron shows up in a scary outfit.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker B:She.
Speaker B:She showed up just like that.
Speaker B:She actually.
Speaker B:The outfit that she wears in that looks like the picture will post that is me just being awkward at parties that comes to this episode, which is, like, the best thing, like, I have ever found.
Speaker B:And I will use this as a meme for the rest of my life.
Speaker A:All right, all right.
Speaker A:So sexy nurse, sexy nurse and cheerleader are discussing bobbing for apples and so I wrote Bobbing for Apples but make it slutty.
Speaker A:And so the cheerleader does little blonde girl, and she's successful very quickly.
Speaker B:Oh, wait, wait, you missed.
Speaker B:You missed something.
Speaker B:So we.
Speaker B:You missed Justin, right?
Speaker B:So you're like, oh, I didn't miss Justin.
Speaker B:Like, I didn't, I didn't.
Speaker B:I didn't miss him.
Speaker B:But he becomes kind of our, our douchey boy character throughout this.
Speaker B:And cheer.
Speaker B:And cheerleader is like, geez, Justin, why haven't you gotten into the booze?
Speaker B:And he's like, oh, it's triple luck.
Speaker B:And I'm just like, why are you at this party?
Speaker B:Like, there's no booze.
Speaker B:Like, I don't understand why you're here.
Speaker B:And I think the nurse probably agrees with me.
Speaker B:And then he's like, are you going to go to this mausoleum party tomorrow?
Speaker B:I'm going to get so baked.
Speaker B:And I was like, wow, that is some great little dialogue they put in there.
Speaker B:So then we get into slutty.
Speaker B:Yeah, the porn version of Bobby for apples.
Speaker A:Yes, Slutty bobbin for apples.
Speaker A:So like I said, the cheerleader is super successful.
Speaker A:And so now, like, the nurse girl doesn't want to be left out because apparently she thinks Justin's cute or some dumb shit.
Speaker B:So you can do better, nurse.
Speaker B:You can do better.
Speaker B:Stop being thirsty as they start calling.
Speaker A:Your thirsty nurse thirsty nurse.
Speaker A:So she goes to Bob for apples and it goes terribly awry.
Speaker A:This one is upsetting.
Speaker A:Like, I don't like this one at all.
Speaker A:Like, not that I like the other.
Speaker B:Setting, but it's also the fact that he's also being like, man, she can hold her breath for a really long time.
Speaker B:Like, I was like.
Speaker B:So we had to put like, gross misogyny, like, on top of this while.
Speaker A:She's dying in her face.
Speaker B:And now we have water dick sucking joke.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, yeah, it's very upsetting.
Speaker A:It looks like they show good, great shots of, like, her from in the water view.
Speaker A:And like, you see, like, she's in her.
Speaker A:They keep cutting between that and her feet trying to get traction to pull herself out.
Speaker A:So it's kind of a cool way they shot it.
Speaker A:I would say, personally, they're really cute.
Speaker A:Like, I would only wear white T straps.
Speaker A:Yeah, they're adorable.
Speaker B:I would only wear them in Halloween, but I would, like, have to order like seven pairs of those, like, right before Halloween just to, like, try and match the outfit.
Speaker A:No, not you.
Speaker A:That doesn't sound like you.
Speaker B:That doesn't sound like me at all.
Speaker A:Yeah, and Then.
Speaker A:And then they finally get her out of the way.
Speaker A:They try to help her even.
Speaker B:It starts boiling.
Speaker B:Yeah, the water starts boiling.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And her skin is just melting out and so gross.
Speaker B:I was very upsetting.
Speaker B:And so I was trying to figure out what.
Speaker B:Apparently, I guess there was an urban legend about apples being poisoned.
Speaker A:Like when you're lobbying for apples, that's just like a Snow White trope.
Speaker B:It's a Snow White trope, but it's also like one of.
Speaker B:One of the legends.
Speaker B:You know, like somebody went to go Bob for apples and they put their face in and then, you know, they ate a poison apple.
Speaker B:They died.
Speaker B:Urban legend.
Speaker B:So I guess that's where this one came from because I was like, this has to go from something.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:And then her face is fucking burned off.
Speaker A:When they finally get out of the water.
Speaker B:It is very upsetting.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker B:Thirsty.
Speaker B:Jenny, you died.
Speaker A:So they.
Speaker A:After the party's obviously over because she did.
Speaker A:Sam and Dean walk in and there's cops there of course too.
Speaker A:And Dean wants to go talk.
Speaker A:Take the lead to go talk to the fucking cheerleader.
Speaker A:Being borderline creeper, but not total creeper.
Speaker A:But definitely could see the possibility.
Speaker B:So no, doesn't agree.
Speaker B:But Sam saw.
Speaker A:Sam sees right through it.
Speaker A:And it makes a jail bait reference.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Dean, you're still gross.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:So he is now Agent Seeger.
Speaker A:Agent Seeger.
Speaker A:And he asks the.
Speaker A:Ask the blonde cheerleader if the victim knew Luke Wallace.
Speaker A:And she's like, no, but Sam, while he's talking to her, Sam searching the room and finds a hex bag.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:So now we have a connection.
Speaker A:But we don't know how the victims are connected.
Speaker B:Apparently we don't.
Speaker B:So we're gonna go back to a wonderful hotel room.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:This motel room is Chef's kiss.
Speaker B:Yeah, I love the all the purples.
Speaker B:I assumed you would because it's your favorite color.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, we've got some like kick ass like purple like bedding and drapes.
Speaker B:And then like this really gorgeous kind of like green tufted like chains lounge in there.
Speaker B:Like, oh, so good.
Speaker A:It is good.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And so Sam's like.
Speaker A:Like both of these victims are pretty clean.
Speaker A:And he's like, maybe it's not a wick.
Speaker A:A witch seeking revenge but trying to do a spell.
Speaker A:And it's talking about.
Speaker A:Starts talking about the Celtic harvest for Halloween and trying to summon Sam Hain, who is a demon actually.
Speaker A:And he is the source of Halloween.
Speaker A:He was exorcised centuries ago.
Speaker A:But it is heavyweight witchcraft that can Only be done every 600 years at.
Speaker B:This point, like, my head just start, like, just starts blowing up and exploding with.
Speaker A:Are you saying this is not accurate, Liz?
Speaker B:No, it's not.
Speaker B:Which is unusual for this show.
Speaker B:They did it on purpose, right?
Speaker B:Like, they made this up because they wanted.
Speaker B:They wanted this face off, right?
Speaker B:They wanted the same Payne.
Speaker B:And also like that we get to have Sam versus Sam Hain, which is also pretty funny.
Speaker B:But yes, Sam Haim.
Speaker B:Nothing to Use album, Nothing to do with Celts.
Speaker B:I do, like, appreciate that he said that instead of demons and blood orgies, Halloween is all about kids, candy and costumes.
Speaker B:And I would like to bring back demons and blood orgies.
Speaker B:I mean, that sounds like a.
Speaker B:That sounds like what I want to have happen this weekend.
Speaker B:And so in order to make myself feel better, I need a little bit of lore.
Speaker B:Just a little bit.
Speaker A:A little bit of lore.
Speaker B:That's just a little bit.
Speaker B:And really what I want to talk about here is beyond the fact of what he fucked up with, and I'm not going to go into the history of harvest festivals, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:You guys have all seen that on the History Channel, you know, So I really want to ask.
Speaker B:What I wanted to ask was a question of did ancient Celts actually perform human sacrifice?
Speaker B:So that's really what he's saying, right?
Speaker B:He's like, oh, there's this ritual.
Speaker B:They're doing the sacrifice to raise a demon.
Speaker B:And that's how Halloween was.
Speaker B:But people are also like, you know, I think.
Speaker B:Do you think that's a common fact that Druids sacrifice people?
Speaker A:I wouldn't say so.
Speaker A:I thought a lot of it was.
Speaker A:Pretty much.
Speaker A:A lot of that is exaggerated or myth, in my opinion.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Okay, good.
Speaker A:But I know the people that do think that.
Speaker B:So, yeah, so it is like this highly debated academic subject of whether or not the ancient Celts actually performed human sacrifice.
Speaker B:So first off, you know, who are we calling the Celts?
Speaker B:And I'm going to go with the definition I found in a dissertation that was submitted to the University of Wales, Trinity St David by this name.
Speaker B:It's so good.
Speaker B:Anarchy Williams.
Speaker A:Of course it is.
Speaker B:And I was like, what is so good?
Speaker B:And I was like, I tried to track anarchy down.
Speaker B:I found their LinkedIn.
Speaker B:So there wasn't a pic.
Speaker B:So I don't understand, you know, I don't know what gender they identify with.
Speaker B:We'll just call them they.
Speaker B:So Anarchy defined Celts as those peoples who spoke or are thought to have spoken some form of Celtic language from circa 500 BC to approximately AD 100.
Speaker B:And typically I think when we think about Celts, we're going to think about those in Ireland and Great Britain, but really they were all over Western Europe, so including France, Spain, Germany, they've been around.
Speaker B:All right, but so the question of did they commit ritual human sacrifice?
Speaker B:And that kind of depends on who you ask, which is why there's.
Speaker A:It also depends how well they plan.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:That's true, very true.
Speaker B:So there's no evidence of this, Right.
Speaker B:There was no concrete thing going.
Speaker B:And probably one of the problems is that the Celts didn't have a written language.
Speaker B:So they didn't write shit down.
Speaker B:There are other people that wrote about them and typically those people would be, you know, the Greeks and the Romans.
Speaker B:Romans and they thought they were barbarians and their enemies.
Speaker B:So they're not going to write anything that's going to be good because they're like, I want all these people to read this and to go kill these people.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:So like we know that they would like run around with the heads of their enemies.
Speaker B:But you know, like you're in a battle and like you chop off someone's head, you're kind of proud, you're like, hey, look at the head of this guy, like this Roman, like, hey, what's a Roman name?
Speaker B:Like Cesares.
Speaker B:Look at Antonius, you know, like I have his head here, you know.
Speaker B:But then people are like, well, what about the Wicker men, right?
Speaker B:There's a whole movie about that.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And Caesar did write.
Speaker A:And an amazing iron maiden song.
Speaker B:And an amazing iron maiden song.
Speaker B:And he did Write in Book 6 of the Gallic War about criminals who were favored for slaughter.
Speaker B:Law abiding citizens in the frame, should no wrongdoers be available, were put into this giant wicker thing.
Speaker A:Right, right.
Speaker B:And there was also a geographer from Rome named Strabo and he is the other one who said that, you know, talking about this wicker, that cattle and wild animals and all sorts of human beings were thrown into this colossus and burnt.
Speaker B:And so that's kind of where we get that picture of.
Speaker B:There's no archeological evidence to support this there.
Speaker B:No one's ever found like burnt out remains of either a giant straw man or which I guess straw would burn.
Speaker B:But they would like you just think about it from a structural perspective.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so like, because it means a basket, a lot of people are like, well, it could, they could have just put people in a basket, right.
Speaker B:And, and set the basket on fire.
Speaker B:But we haven't found like A lot of bones, people who are just set on fire, you know, like, that doesn't exist.
Speaker B:But there are some mummified bog bodies.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:Because that's one that gets thrown out to you.
Speaker B:Like, oh, like, I know I saw this on the History Channel or not Geo.
Speaker B:And I, trust me, I have watched them.
Speaker B:And also, this is all very exciting to me because I am going to Scotland, like, four months, my brain is already kind of here thinking about this.
Speaker B:So bog bodies are basically what they sound like.
Speaker B:They are people who got mummified in bugs.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:So gross.
Speaker B:But it's a good way to preserve a corpse.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Before you had embalming.
Speaker B:And bog bodies have been found all over Europe.
Speaker B:I think they've found like 700 of them.
Speaker B:And some of them, we don't know if they, like, they don't know they were intentional burials or just like, you know, Bob tripped and fell in the bog and that's where he died.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:You know, but there's three from the Iron Age that are really kind of pointed out.
Speaker B:They say, like, oh, no, this shows that there was ritual sacrifice.
Speaker B:And this stuff is coming from the website Irish Central.
Speaker B:I'm gonna talk about two.
Speaker B:The first is called Krogh Hand man or Croakin Man.
Speaker B:I don't know, say that in some sort of Irish accent.
Speaker B:But he was very, very tall.
Speaker B:He was 6 foot 6.
Speaker B:And they think he died sometime back then.
Speaker B:Yeah, Right.
Speaker B:And they think he died sometime between 362 and 175 BC.
Speaker B:There were indicators that he was a nobleman because he had manicured soft hands.
Speaker B:And, like, how do you.
Speaker B:His hands are soft?
Speaker B:Like, you just, like, caressing them.
Speaker B:Like, how?
Speaker B:Like, in what comparison?
Speaker B:Like, whose hands are you comparing them to?
Speaker B:Like, mine.
Speaker B:Like, my hands are kind of callous because they hang from metal bars, you know, like.
Speaker A:Like, I don't know.
Speaker B:So they also like to tell from his bones or I guess also he's mummified.
Speaker B:So they're like, oh, yeah, his diet was pretty good.
Speaker B:So we think he was a nobleman and likely a king.
Speaker B:But his corpse did have holes cut into his upper arms.
Speaker B:And they think a rope was put through those arms to restrain him.
Speaker B:And I'm like, that's not how you restrain somebody.
Speaker B:I mean, like.
Speaker B:Like, I don't need to put a rope through my arms.
Speaker B:I can put around my arms.
Speaker B:I don't need to, like, cut a hole in my arm to restrain somebod.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:So they also stabbed him repeatedly and his nipples were cut off.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker B:And then they cut him in half.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:And the second one is the Clawney cabin man.
Speaker B:Clawney caving man.
Speaker B:Cloney cabin man.
Speaker B:Say it however you want.
Speaker B:He was.
Speaker B:In comparison to the 6 foot 6 guy, he was only about 5 foot tall.
Speaker B:So wee wee little lad and fun fact that the Irish website gave me, he used pine resin to keep his hair in place.
Speaker B:Cool tip.
Speaker A:Oh, early.
Speaker A:Early pomade.
Speaker B:Early pomade.
Speaker B:Thanks, thanks.
Speaker B:So anyways, the tiny man, he was disemboweled.
Speaker B:And then they struck him on an, like, with an ax on his head a bunch of times.
Speaker B:And then like, there was also, like an ax mark in his body.
Speaker B:And then also his nipples were cut off.
Speaker B:All right, what the fuck is up with the.
Speaker A:That was my.
Speaker A:Like, oh, somebody's gonna find, like a box somewhere of, like, mummified nipples.
Speaker B:All right, So I want to make sure you've swallowed your wine.
Speaker B:There's none in your mouth, right.
Speaker B:Because I don't want you to spit things out on your monitor.
Speaker B:So what's up with the nipples?
Speaker B:All right, according to this guy on the website, sucking a king's nipples was a gesture of submission in ancient Ireland.
Speaker B:Cutting them off would have made him incapable of kingship in this world or the next.
Speaker B:So when you're no longer a king, they cut off your nipples and with that, we're just fucking done.
Speaker B:Were they sacrificed?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I'm done.
Speaker B:Like, I'm fucking done with this whole topic.
Speaker B:I don't care.
Speaker B:Like, I'm done.
Speaker A:Got it.
Speaker A:You gotta de Nipple them to make sure that they can't be a king again.
Speaker B:Well, you've gotta suck the king's nipples.
Speaker B:Like, I can't.
Speaker B:Like, I can't.
Speaker B:I was like, what the fuck is this?
Speaker B:How did I.
Speaker A:Not a nipple play going on?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:How did I get from.
Speaker B:Did Celts commit ritual sacrifice to people sucking nipples?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:And not just people sucking nipples.
Speaker A:It's not just that.
Speaker A:It's adults sucking other male adults nipples as a sign of.
Speaker B:Yeah, a sign of respect, man.
Speaker B:Like, you're like, what?
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:I can't.
Speaker B:And did someone just make that up?
Speaker B:Like, really?
Speaker B:Like, at what point?
Speaker A:Like, I want somebody.
Speaker A:Somebody was in royalty and they were a little pervy and they're like this shit.
Speaker A:They hadn't told people.
Speaker A:Start a rumor.
Speaker A:The only way to show respect to me is to suck my nips.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:And then the next king was like, well, I guess we gotta keep.
Speaker A:I guess this is the rule.
Speaker A:What the fuck?
Speaker A:And then Somebody that was like, like protest against is like, you know what his nipples.
Speaker A:We gotta cut those motherfuckers off.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's where it came from, those nipples.
Speaker A:Your royal nipples.
Speaker B:Anyway, we your classes.
Speaker B:Royal nipples.
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:People think that could have happened after they died because we, you know, there's no like blood.
Speaker B:Like we can't tell like, right, who got caught up when.
Speaker B:So there's really no proof whether or not like they did it.
Speaker B:I don't know, pre or post.
Speaker B:I would like to think that my ancestors sacrificed people for the of it.
Speaker B:But I don't know.
Speaker B:It sounds like something I would do, but yep.
Speaker B:Nipples, nipples, nipples.
Speaker A:So back to Sam.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:According to this.
Speaker B:So they can only do this every 600 years.
Speaker B:And Sam Pain is going to do some raisin of its own.
Speaker B:So metal.
Speaker B:So fucking metal.
Speaker A:Bring evil right here where we live.
Speaker A:Where these people live.
Speaker A:With ghosts and ghouls and everything that we fight.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And ghosts, zombies, leprechauns.
Speaker B:Because those little dudes are scary.
Speaker B:You got small hands.
Speaker B:And so pretty much it's everything we ever fought.
Speaker B:Or I'm gonna call it a mash.
Speaker B:A monster mash.
Speaker A:We did the mash.
Speaker B:So they're gonna do the monster mash.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so it's Halloween now.
Speaker A:Andy and Dean.
Speaker A:I can't even talk Halloween.
Speaker A:And Dean is still eating a shit ton of candy.
Speaker A:But now he's leaving the rappers all over, baby.
Speaker A:And that's not.
Speaker B:And I was like, he wouldn't have done that.
Speaker B:Like, I feel like he would have had a bag to put them in.
Speaker B:Unless they're showing like his.
Speaker B:His candy addiction is so far gone that he's just like, I don't care.
Speaker B:Just squalor in this.
Speaker A:And so he is staking out the Wallace house while Sam's off doing research and trying to find.
Speaker A:And they're all trying to find a connection between the victims.
Speaker A:And they're all like, they're just lost.
Speaker A:And then all of a sudden, who walks up?
Speaker A:The fucking blonde cheerleader walks up to the house.
Speaker A:Her name is Tracy.
Speaker B:Naughty little cheerleader.
Speaker A:And she is the babysitter, apparently for the Wallaces.
Speaker B:Well, and this is where we got the world's best picture.
Speaker B:That I don't know how I screenshot of that picture, but it is the best picture of Supernatural that was ever taken.
Speaker B:I'll just say it.
Speaker B:I will say it.
Speaker B:Yes, it is the best.
Speaker B:Fuck everything else.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so now they know that she lied.
Speaker A:And so she is probably the witch.
Speaker A:The centuries old witch.
Speaker A:But she don't look like it.
Speaker B:She don't look like it.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, look, man, if you were a 600 year old.
Speaker B:And then he, his word, not mine, called her a hag and asked if you could pick any costume to come back in, wouldn't you go for a hot cheerleader?
Speaker B:I would.
Speaker B:And then he sat there thinking about it.
Speaker B:And then Sam just kind of like got that look that I would probably get.
Speaker B:My face like, what the fuck, man?
Speaker B:And then he went back to normal.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So that nice eye acting was done between Jesse and Jared there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So the brothers go to the high school where Tracy is a student.
Speaker A:They have discovered that she was suspended for school for a violent altercation with a teacher.
Speaker A:And as they are walking down this hallway, Ben, these kids at this high school are real fucked up because there are these Halloween masks hanging from the ceiling and they are creepy.
Speaker A:AF though one of them did come kind of remind me of they Live.
Speaker A:And I just watched them had another they Live reference on it.
Speaker A:So it was pretty funny.
Speaker B:But also in general, like, I don't think you could have like that many masks hanging and it not be creepy.
Speaker A:That's fair.
Speaker A:That's fair.
Speaker A:But Dean's kind of having like some like hell flashbacks here, which is kind.
Speaker B:Of interesting one that kind of looks like a like scarecrow.
Speaker B:Is that like.
Speaker A:That was kind of the one that was real?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so Dean and then Sam making a crack about having flashbacks to high school.
Speaker A:Dean's like, not really.
Speaker A:Until he sees the guy putting a giant pottery bong into the kiln.
Speaker A:They're attempting to.
Speaker B:And the guy can't fit his bong into the kiln because it's too big.
Speaker A:He did not think this through.
Speaker B:Was that Justin, by the way?
Speaker A:I think it was.
Speaker B:I think it was Justin.
Speaker B:So Justin, man, did not.
Speaker B:I'm kind of here with you.
Speaker B:Like, I feel like I probably would have hung out.
Speaker B:I probably would have made out with Justin at some point like that.
Speaker B:I would have gotten stoned at some party in high school and made out with him.
Speaker B:But yeah, man, like you can't make your bong out of clay.
Speaker B:Like maybe ceramics, but like, that's not going to hold up.
Speaker B:I'm just telling you right now.
Speaker A:Anyway, so they introduce themselves as agents Getty and Lee as they are meeting with Don, the art teacher.
Speaker B:Okay, so Don, totally an art teacher.
Speaker B:Just looking at him like, yeah, Asian Lee are.
Speaker B:Gaddy and Lee are from Rush and nobody likes to rush so babe does terrible progressive rock from Canada.
Speaker B:Canada doesn't rock.
Speaker B:Canada will never rock.
Speaker A:Oh, there's a couple bands from Canada I like.
Speaker B:But I did see that are Kenny live.
Speaker B:They were to band.
Speaker B:So I did see a bunch of Canadians perform live.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So he's explaining that the reason that the for the altercation was that Tracy had been.
Speaker A:He, you know, approached her about the disturbing art she's been and he said inappropriate.
Speaker B:I was like, go on.
Speaker A:Inappropriate, appropriate and disturbing art.
Speaker B:Tell me more.
Speaker A:Do you have murders symbols?
Speaker A:Does she have a web page?
Speaker A:Oh my gosh, yeah.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:So a lot of symbols and murdery things like ritual murders with her in them.
Speaker B:There's like detailed images of killing with her in the middle participating.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I'm like, well she must be a really fucking good artist.
Speaker A:In fact, you can tell that.
Speaker B:Well, sister.
Speaker B:All right, like yeah, I get you.
Speaker B:You want to go worship the dark forces.
Speaker B:I understand.
Speaker B:Like high school's tough.
Speaker A:So they want to go find her and ends up that Tracy is an emancipated teen with her own apartment.
Speaker A:Which is wildly convenient because of course a you know, 600 year old witch who's pretending to be a high school student would not want to deal with parents.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, who does?
Speaker B:I mean so if I was.
Speaker B:If I could have been emancipated teenager and I would say 16.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, basically I went.
Speaker B:I graduated high school when I was like, basically I think I just turned 17, if that.
Speaker B:Like I've been 17 for like a month and I graduated high school and yeah, that was terrible idea.
Speaker B:But anyway, so Tracy is living the life.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:So she's emancipated Teen dog confirms the silk.
Speaker B:The symbol on the silver was what she was drawing.
Speaker B:So we.
Speaker B:Oh, connection.
Speaker B:So let's go back to our motel.
Speaker A:Well, they first.
Speaker A:Did they go to the apartment first?
Speaker A:Yes, they tried to go find her at the apartment.
Speaker B:I've got like the spaceman kid.
Speaker A:Is that the astronaut?
Speaker A:And while they went to go try to find out the apartment and she wasn't there.
Speaker A:So one of Dean's lines is like.
Speaker A:It's like like the hopped a broomstick.
Speaker A:And I was amused actually, but that line, so.
Speaker A:But yes, it's the astronaut.
Speaker A:There's an astronaut kid trick or treating and.
Speaker A:But Dean ate all their candy so he can't give them any candy.
Speaker A:And Sam is very disappointed in Dean's candy consumption and inability to honor a trick or treater.
Speaker B:And Dean fat shames the poor little astronaut.
Speaker B:And you know What?
Speaker B:Don't fat shame little kids, Dean.
Speaker B:It's gonna bite you in the ass.
Speaker B:Like, I'm not predicting anything.
Speaker B:I'm just saying I saw that kid.
Speaker B:I saw his face.
Speaker B:You give that kid what he wants.
Speaker B:Whatever that child asks for, you give it to him.
Speaker A:They go into the motel, but Sam goes in first and immediately draws his gun because who's sitting there?
Speaker A:Castiel and some bald dude standing by the window whose face we don't see for a while.
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker B:So this is the first time that Sam meets Castiel.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:Like, I kind of forgotten.
Speaker A:Yeah, he's still met.
Speaker A:Yeah, Well, I was like, oh, shit.
Speaker A:He's never met him before.
Speaker A:And so it's kind of an interesting interaction.
Speaker A:It's very little awkward.
Speaker A:And Cassiel calls Sam the boy with the demon blood.
Speaker B:It sounds like a children's book or a Harry Potter book, you know, Sam Winchester, the boy, the demon's blood.
Speaker B:But Sam's also fanboying out over him.
Speaker B:He's like, oh, my God, it's an angel.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But Cassiel's kind of like, oh, I'm really glad you stopped using your fucking psychic skills for those activities.
Speaker A:Castiel is being a dick.
Speaker A:But we've already established that angels are dicks.
Speaker A:This is not shocking information.
Speaker A:And is asking if they.
Speaker A:If both Sam and Dean stopped the rising of Sam Haynes.
Speaker A:And they.
Speaker A:They're like, well, there's a hex bag.
Speaker A:They find a hex bag in their room.
Speaker A:So they were gonna be the next target and wants them to kill the witch.
Speaker A:But because raising of Samhain is one of the 66 seals.
Speaker B:What is it, Diana?
Speaker B:What is it?
Speaker B:Is it a Satanic seal?
Speaker A:It's a devil seal.
Speaker A:It's a satanic seal.
Speaker B:Okay, so my best friend in the world, who is like an amazing artist, has actually produced just the Satanic seal for us.
Speaker B:Our devil seal.
Speaker B:He's cute as fuck.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you will find him on our Instagram and guess.
Speaker B:Go, go love him.
Speaker B:Because I don't know if you think of a name for our like satanic seal.
Speaker B:Like, I feel like I want to call him Sammy, but we already have Sam Haynes and Winchester.
Speaker B:Yeah, too many Sam's.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, I agree.
Speaker A:I think we'll come up with something.
Speaker A:Or we'll open to suggestions if someone has one.
Speaker A:So yeah, Dean's like, well, then you and fucking old dude by the window should just tell us where the witch is and we'll go gank her.
Speaker A:But has heel's.
Speaker A:Like, angels aren't omniscient and.
Speaker A:But Sam.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, well, let's all work together, guys.
Speaker A:Well, the bald guy turns around and it is Uriel, another angel.
Speaker A:And he's a specialist.
Speaker A:And so they don't really want to work with Sam and Dean.
Speaker A:They want to destroy the motherfucking town.
Speaker A:And they're warning them to leave before they do.
Speaker B:They're going to smite it.
Speaker B:They're going to smite the town.
Speaker A:Smite the town.
Speaker B:Smoke the town.
Speaker B:Smite at the town.
Speaker A:They're going to smite it.
Speaker B:We're going to have many discussions on this about the tenses of smite.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So 1,214 people who live there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Uriel's like, we're just gonna purify it.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker A:And Castell's like, oh, it's like a big picture.
Speaker A: It's like, you know,: Speaker A:And like the.
Speaker A:Anyways, it's back to the.
Speaker A:Basically the.
Speaker A:The trolley challenge.
Speaker A:It's kind of the concept that's basically what we're back at.
Speaker A:And Uriel has his own slur for humans that we learn, which is mud monkeys.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And it sounds very also like, I think we have entered J.K. rowling's world.
Speaker B:I'm like, what?
Speaker B:Okay, so we say I'm with a demon blood.
Speaker B:We've got monkeys.
Speaker B:Which is very close to mud bloods.
Speaker B:And I don't know.
Speaker B: So this came out: Speaker A:Yeah, the books were out.
Speaker A:The book was out.
Speaker B: The books were out: Speaker B:Yeah, they were.
Speaker A:So anyways, Sam's just like, I'm not.
Speaker B:Saying y' all stole that, but I feel like I'll stole that.
Speaker B:I mean it makes sense, you know, Primates.
Speaker B:We came out.
Speaker B:We came out of the ooze.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:We're all Uzi and monkey like.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:Well, Sam is fucking upset and he is shocked that this is the attitude that the angels have.
Speaker A:And Cassiel's like, no, our plan's just.
Speaker A:We just.
Speaker A:You just have to have faith in us.
Speaker A:And there's talk about orders from fathers and saying Dean would follow him.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:It's this whole awkward thing.
Speaker B:It's awkward, but it's really like this is kind of also starts laying things down.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:It does.
Speaker A:You can tell this is what I.
Speaker B:Am doing is okay because it comes from heaven.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So no matter.
Speaker B:Like I'm not going to question this.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, what?
Speaker B:Like you never.
Speaker B:Like you've never questioned.
Speaker B:Like fuck you.
Speaker B:You fuck this authority.
Speaker B:And then Cassio like, throws it right in his face.
Speaker B:It was like, what?
Speaker B:Did you disobey your dad?
Speaker B:And it was like, oh, shit, Cassio.
Speaker B:Like, you're not wrong.
Speaker B:Like, yeah.
Speaker B:He's like, no, Dean never did.
Speaker B:Dean just did what dad told him.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And Dean makes a comment about.
Speaker A:About Castiel and Uriel being a hammer, basically.
Speaker A:Not.
Speaker A:Not thinking.
Speaker A:Just.
Speaker A:Just an in action.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker A:So Dean's like, yeah, fuck this.
Speaker A:We're not going to leave.
Speaker A:And obviously the man upstairs has a plan for me, so.
Speaker A:Otherwise, y' all wouldn't have pulled my ass from hell.
Speaker A:So fuck this.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:We're.
Speaker A:We're just going to wait it out because you won't do this while we're here.
Speaker B:Here.
Speaker A:Uriel's like, man, I'll drag you out.
Speaker A:Tim's like, I won't be alive.
Speaker A:So it's this whole dramatic.
Speaker A:But Dean's confident, insists that he and Sam can find the witch and stop this.
Speaker A:Uriel is not on board.
Speaker A:He is pissed.
Speaker A:And Uriel's a dick.
Speaker B:He's a supreme dick.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Anyways, and so Castiel's like, dean, you better do this fast.
Speaker A:I can't keep this back.
Speaker A:So, yeah.
Speaker B:But he also puts his face in him.
Speaker B:He's like, you know what?
Speaker B:Cool.
Speaker A:Like, go for it.
Speaker B:Which is also like, after what he just said, he's like, oh, this is what we're supposed to do.
Speaker B:To be like, all right.
Speaker B:Like, you go, you.
Speaker B:I believe in you.
Speaker B:You go take care of this.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:So they go.
Speaker A:Sam and Dean have to go find the witch now.
Speaker A:And they go outside and fucking baby got egged.
Speaker A:He didn't give fucking candy to the fucking astronaut kid.
Speaker A:So now you got tricked because you didn't give a treat.
Speaker A:And your paint's going to be fucked unless you wash that immediately.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:What is.
Speaker B:What is.
Speaker B:Dean yell.
Speaker A:I forget.
Speaker B:He goes, astronaut.
Speaker A:Oh, yes.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:So, Yeah, Sam's pretty bummed about this whole thing.
Speaker A:He's got the hex bag and he's really disappointed in the angels.
Speaker A:He's like, I just thought they'd be righteous.
Speaker A:It's, you know, that they're.
Speaker A:You know, I'm just very upset that he's been praying and he's had this faith and now feels like it's just totally let down by how these angels behaved.
Speaker A:And Dean actually is really, really kind here because we've had a little bit of that.
Speaker A:We've seen the argument they've had about faith.
Speaker A:And Dean doesn't really have much, but he probably kind of has to have a little bit since an angel literally pulled him from hell.
Speaker A:That probably changes your perspective a teensy bit.
Speaker A:Even if it's not something you worship, like, oh, no, this is real, at least.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Him telling Sam to have faith, I thought it's a little weird.
Speaker B:It's nice.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:He's like, well, you have.
Speaker A:Don't lose your.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:Well, it's like he's saying, don't lose your faith.
Speaker A:You have faith already.
Speaker A:Don't lose it.
Speaker A:Because these guys are dicks.
Speaker A:That's kind of what I thought.
Speaker B:It's like, this makes you.
Speaker B:This is part of, like.
Speaker B:I like this about you.
Speaker B:And it's kind of a weird, compassionate moment that Dean doesn't often or either of them, like, portray to each other that.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, hey, like, you know, cool kid.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker B:Anyway, so Sam's gonna start fingering his bone.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Say, make sure we don't miss that line.
Speaker A:But they realized, though, that the heat needed to have charred the bone is pretty high temperature.
Speaker A:Where else could they find it?
Speaker A:In the kiln at the school.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:In his archaeological lab.
Speaker B:That he determined that it took this much heat to burn this bone.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So that.
Speaker A:Clearly.
Speaker B:Art class.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So they go to the school, they search the art room, and the teacher, Dawn's desk is very, like, obviously padlocked.
Speaker A:So they break into it, like you do.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:Yes, there's a drawer full of children's bones.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Sam has made, you know, the.
Speaker A:Haha.
Speaker B:Like, the hexag came.
Speaker B:Not after we talked to the cheerleader.
Speaker B:Oh, no, it came after we talked to the hippie.
Speaker B:So clearly it is the hippie's fault.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then inside, like, again, the child's bones.
Speaker B:Like, did you, like, did you just go take the bones?
Speaker B:Like, how long do you have to.
Speaker B:I have a lot of questions about where you get them.
Speaker B:Anyway, so now we're going to cut to.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I don't think he has a lot of, like, remorse about where he's getting them, but that's okay.
Speaker A:So Uriel and Castiel are.
Speaker B:I'm not asking about remorse.
Speaker B:I'm just asking about the logistics.
Speaker B:Like, how do.
Speaker B:How do you.
Speaker B:You know, how do you procure this?
Speaker B:Like, are you digging them up?
Speaker B:Are you just, like, going, you're waiting for a child to die harder, cutting.
Speaker A:The fingers off of babies?
Speaker B:Well, but you, like, even if you cut the fingers off of babies, then you would still have to take all the Flesh off.
Speaker B:You would have to get down, too.
Speaker B:It's a skeleton.
Speaker B:Although if you chart it like that, then I guess, like the hand.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:It's just logistics.
Speaker B:Like, matter.
Speaker A:That's fair.
Speaker A:So Uriel and Castiel are in a park, and Castiel says, a decision has been made.
Speaker A:And Uriel's once again calling humans mud monkeys and plumbing on two legs because.
Speaker A:And Castiel's like.
Speaker A:Tells him not to talk, not to say that anymore because it's close to blasphemy, which isn't, you know, which is an interesting point, since, you know, supposed to be created in God's image.
Speaker A:Blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker A:Anyways, so Cassio's like, yeah, we were sent to save him, and it's out of our hands.
Speaker A:Uriel's like, fuck that.
Speaker A:We're gonna drag.
Speaker A:Drag Dean.
Speaker A:Blow the.
Speaker A:Blow the town off the map.
Speaker A:But Castiel's like, no, we have our true orders.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So that makes you wonder.
Speaker B:Honestly, I don't remember at this point.
Speaker B:It's been so long since I've seen the season.
Speaker B:I was like, wait, what are your true orders?
Speaker A:Like, what?
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker B:Shit.
Speaker B:I forgot.
Speaker B:So there's something else that we don't know here.
Speaker B:Like the sun.
Speaker A:We know something else going on.
Speaker B:Storyline above.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:So we don't want to disobey that.
Speaker A:All right, cool.
Speaker A:But now it's Halloween.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And the trick or treaters are there.
Speaker B:And I'm like, oh, I just feel the joy.
Speaker B:And I'm like, I want to be in the spooky season.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker A:So there's.
Speaker A:We see a light flashing through the window of a random basement.
Speaker A:So we zoom into this random basement.
Speaker B:Well, the random basement.
Speaker B:That was the spooky season.
Speaker B:Like, the kid.
Speaker B:Like the kid.
Speaker B:And mom up by the mom was like, also, like, the lights were just out.
Speaker B:But I also like something like, I never.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't want to live in a neighborhood, but I would like to live in the witch house that the kids won't stop at.
Speaker B:So I don't know how to make, like, how to make those two things happen.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we get this light coming from a basement, and.
Speaker A:Oh, no.
Speaker A:John, the art teacher, but he's got Tracy, the blonde witch tied up.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:And he's doing.
Speaker A:So it wasn't Tracy.
Speaker B:It was Dawn.
Speaker B:Oh, God.
Speaker A:Oh, so crazy.
Speaker A:They tricked us.
Speaker A:And he's doing some ritual and then starts caressing her with a knife.
Speaker A:Real creepy.
Speaker B:Like, she's still 16, guys.
Speaker B:She's still 16.
Speaker A:And he goes to stab her.
Speaker A:But right when he's about to stab her, Sam and Dean shoot the fuck out of him.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:So he gets shot down, and they.
Speaker A:Get Tracy down, and she's like, oh, thanks so much.
Speaker A:And like, oh, he was doing all this stuff, and his incantation was so sloppy.
Speaker A:Oh, she's in on it, too.
Speaker B:Oh, no.
Speaker B:Never trust a cheerleader.
Speaker B:All right, so she's like.
Speaker B:And not only that, it's her brother.
Speaker B:Oh, what?
Speaker A:So he was caressing her with a knife.
Speaker A:It was her brother.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so now she does a she is a witch fling, as opposed to demon flame.
Speaker A:Because she's a witch.
Speaker B:And I called it witch blast.
Speaker B:But which flame also I appreciate.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And she was supposed to be the final sacrifice, but now Don will because he's already dead on the ground.
Speaker A:So they accidentally contributed to the sacrifice by killing Dawn.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And she also has a really good point, that they've been planning this for 600 years, and that was a long time to be with anyone.
Speaker B:I'm like, yeah.
Speaker B:Like, I can't imagine being with any.
Speaker B:Like, oh, my God, I love you, but if we were together for 600 years, I would want to fucking murder you, too.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's a long time.
Speaker B:You can't be with anybody for that long.
Speaker B:It's just not feasible.
Speaker A:But she's filling a chalice with Dawn's.
Speaker B:Blood, and he's using the knife just to, like, poke the blood out of his wounds.
Speaker B:And it's kind of awesome.
Speaker B:She just, like.
Speaker B:If I can just use this for leverage.
Speaker B:It's like.
Speaker B:And it, like, goes into her chalice.
Speaker A:What is she doing?
Speaker A:The ritual.
Speaker B:She wants old school Halloween.
Speaker B:She doesn't want this shit.
Speaker B:She wants some fucking old school Halloween, and I'm here for it.
Speaker B:You here for you, Tracy.
Speaker A:And while she's continuing it, the brothers, our brothers cannot get up.
Speaker A:They're pinned by her.
Speaker A:By her witch fling magic.
Speaker A:But Sam's seeing the writing on the wall here that this was the final sacrifice.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:Oh, shit.
Speaker A:Sam Hain's about to get raised.
Speaker A:So what does he do?
Speaker A:He reaches in Dawn's blood and smears it all over his and on Dean's faces.
Speaker A:Gross.
Speaker A:Which is real gross.
Speaker B:Oh, my God, this is gonna be so sticky and smelly.
Speaker A:And then she finishes the ritual, and the floor cracks open and there's demon smoke coming out of it.
Speaker A:And that black smoke cock goes straight into Dawn.
Speaker B:It does.
Speaker A:His eyes turn to creepy light blue eyes now, and he gets baby blues.
Speaker B:That's what happens when you get Raised to get a baby.
Speaker A:But not, like, good baby blues.
Speaker A:Like, creepy baby blues.
Speaker A:Anyways, and then he walks over to Tracy and fucking kisses her on the mouth.
Speaker B:Vomit.
Speaker B:Oh, so much vomiting.
Speaker B:All right, so I'm spewing vomit.
Speaker B:And then she calls in my love.
Speaker B:And then I vomit some more.
Speaker A:He calls her old.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:He talks about her beauty.
Speaker A:Calls her old and snaps her neck.
Speaker A:And then calls her a whore.
Speaker A:After she daunts you on.
Speaker B:Yeah, it sounds.
Speaker B:What a giant dick.
Speaker B:Okay, so, like, all right, so first off, girl, that's your brother.
Speaker B:I don't care, like, who's in it in him.
Speaker B:That's your fucking brother.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Gross.
Speaker B:Then he, like, he's completely.
Speaker B:Obviously you're in a very abusive relationship.
Speaker B:He is like, bitch, you're old.
Speaker B:And she's like, what?
Speaker B:But I'm like, this body.
Speaker B:I can't, like, make it younger because it's 16.
Speaker B:What the fuck?
Speaker B:And then he's like, but you're going to tell you something really nice.
Speaker B:Your beauty's beyond time.
Speaker B:So she has this, like, lovely moment.
Speaker A:And then he stops and calls her a whore.
Speaker B:And then calls her a whore.
Speaker B:My dick, man.
Speaker B:At least he has a glaucoma.
Speaker B:So at least we have that.
Speaker A:So as he's walking by the brothers to leave, he sees them on the ground, but they've got the blood all over their faces.
Speaker A:And he just keeps walking.
Speaker A:And so apparently Sam was just giving it a shot because they used to.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:What.
Speaker A:What.
Speaker A:Where the origin of masks was, was to hide from Samhain.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:And then they ask, you know, he gives it a shot.
Speaker B:But they asked, like, probably one of the best questions.
Speaker B:Where would you go to raise the dark forces of the night?
Speaker A:I knew you'd love this.
Speaker B:To the cemetery.
Speaker B:Yeah, No, I just go to the bar like that.
Speaker B:Surely if I'm gonna raise the dark forces in the night, like, probably a bar, maybe a strip club, you know, something.
Speaker B:But, like, the cemetery.
Speaker B:Like, I love the cemetery.
Speaker B:But the dark forces, they can be anywhere.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So while they're driving, Sam starts to kind of bring up that he really wants to be able to use his psychic skills again because he want.
Speaker A:He is pointing out once again that it doesn't kill a person that way.
Speaker A:Dean's like, nope.
Speaker A:Ruby's knife.
Speaker A:Ruby's knife only.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker A:And using his powers, it's like playing with fire.
Speaker B:I was very tired by the time this was.
Speaker B:I was writing these notes last night.
Speaker B:And this is what mine says on the way there.
Speaker B:Sam tries to convince Dean that he should use his demon sucking powers, but Dean is like, no, no.
Speaker B:Stabby, stabby, stoppy stub.
Speaker B:Yeah, we're gonna go to the mausoleum party that he talks about in the beginning.
Speaker B:And I'm like, okay, kids, like, I'm here for you.
Speaker A:Is Justin redeemed because of this?
Speaker B:No, because Justin's like, I'm chipping balls.
Speaker A:Yes, he does.
Speaker A:You hear that?
Speaker B:Somebody say that Justin, like, smokes some oregano and, like.
Speaker B:Or, like, somebody just, like, giving him, like, fake tabs, and he is like, this acid's so good, and it's just like.
Speaker B:Someone was just like, making blotter paper with, like, like, like, fake that saying that I ever did that.
Speaker A:Spraying Pam on a paper towel.
Speaker A:Wasn't that one of the ways people did it?
Speaker B:Well, pretty much.
Speaker B:You just got, like, cardstock and then just.
Speaker B:Just give people card stock and then just be like, it's acid.
Speaker B:I. I would never do that.
Speaker B:But, I mean, it's pretty easy to fake a tablet.
Speaker B:It's easy to fake acid.
Speaker A:It's insane when it's a square piece of paper with something printed on it and no regulatory services around it.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right, so Don's walking by, and the students all recognize him because they, like, he's their teacher.
Speaker A:But it's not Don.
Speaker A:It's Sam Hayndall.
Speaker B:And also, like, why is my teacher coming to hang out in front of school kids?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so he is real creepy, doesn't say anything, and locks them inside the mausoleum and walks away.
Speaker B:All right, so now we get our final list of our sexy outfits.
Speaker B:All right, so now we have.
Speaker B:Because we're gonna.
Speaker B:We have a sexy Dorothy, A sexy, I think, card dealer.
Speaker B:She was just, like, a saloon girl, and she had, like, cards in her corset.
Speaker B:There was a sexy woman with dark wings.
Speaker B:I'm guessing, like, demon girl.
Speaker B:There was a sexy circus ringleader.
Speaker B:The Antoinette costume.
Speaker B:Costume comes back.
Speaker A:Of course she does.
Speaker A:I mean, you have a costume.
Speaker A:You wear it more than once.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:And there's a sexy sailor and a sexy maid.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker B:That's a lot.
Speaker B:See, you're like, oh, no.
Speaker B:Liz is just like, no, that's a lot of, like, slutty costumes.
Speaker A:It is a lot of sweaty costumes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:A lot of slutty costumes.
Speaker A:All right, so while they're all locked in this mausoleum, now all the.
Speaker A:And I may maybe.
Speaker A:You know, I think there's a word.
Speaker A:So it's not.
Speaker A:It's caskets in the wall, but its body's interred in the walls of the Maus.
Speaker A:Them and all of their doors start shaking and opening.
Speaker A:And then one Justin gets dragged into one.
Speaker B:So what are the.
Speaker A:The inside the Molossy mausoleum?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I mean, my grandmother isn't one and I don't know what I would call it.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't know what you call it.
Speaker B:No, no, no.
Speaker B:I'll look it up one day.
Speaker B:We'll find out.
Speaker B:But the corpse is going to eat Justin.
Speaker A:So Justin gets eaten by a corpse and blood squirts out and elder kids start panicking.
Speaker B:Poor Justin.
Speaker B:Like, okay, if Justin did not get bunk acid and if Justin was like, really tripping balls and like, there's better.
Speaker A:Answers, worse ways to go.
Speaker A:Like, I don't know.
Speaker A:I mean, how?
Speaker B:Like, I don't know.
Speaker B:Like, this seems really terrible.
Speaker B:Like the worst act.
Speaker B:Like, worse than the time that I tried to like.
Speaker B:Like, almost like, would to have my parents called the er, you know, like, oh, no, thankfully, my friend, not that.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:So hypothetically, if that had ever happened to me, of course, you know, like, I would not prefer to have been eaten by a corpse.
Speaker B:But it had to be a shitty way to go.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:RIP Justin.
Speaker A:Poor Justin.
Speaker B:Sorry you didn't get that handy from the thirsty nurse.
Speaker A:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker A:So our brothers arrive and Dean shoots the lock off and sends Sam to go find Sam Haynes and gets the kids out of there.
Speaker A:And then all these ghouls are climbing out of the caskets on the wall.
Speaker A:He says, bring it on, Stinky.
Speaker B:Are these zombies or ghouls?
Speaker B:They're zombies.
Speaker A:Call them ghouls, but I think zombies are ghouls in this, right?
Speaker B:There's some.
Speaker A:Some mythology, some lore.
Speaker A:Usually there's not really a true zombie.
Speaker A:It's a ghoul to raise.
Speaker A:It's a raised dead.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I thought he called them ghouls, but I could be wrong.
Speaker A:Sam is successful in locating.
Speaker B:So anyways, like, Dean's really happy.
Speaker A:He's ready to start stabby stabbing his body.
Speaker B:And it was just.
Speaker B:I'm calling them zombies because I was like, they look like Romero zombies, right?
Speaker B:And Dean just like.
Speaker B:He's like, bring it on, Stinky.
Speaker A:He's ready.
Speaker A:So Sam finds Don slash Samhain.
Speaker A:And Don tries to do his demony skills.
Speaker A:That's what I called them.
Speaker B:I have demon ray gun stuff.
Speaker A:Well, and that's what Sam says.
Speaker A:Sam says that he's like, that demon ray gun stuff doesn't Work on me.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So he's like, bring it on, Sam Hayne.
Speaker B:I'm Sam Winchester.
Speaker B:So Sam Payne has Sam.
Speaker B:Sam up by his throat.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:They get in a big fist fight and Sam Payne is getting Sam pretty bad.
Speaker A:So we cut back to Dean killing ghouls, zombies, whatever they are.
Speaker A:And with a stake to the chest, which I thought was interesting thing too.
Speaker A:That's not a very typical.
Speaker B:Yeah, so maybe they were ghouls.
Speaker B:That seems like something that would work for ghouls.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:But yeah, but now like, it's not a zombie.
Speaker A:No, it's a ghost woman thingy that like flickers in and out and she can pop back and forth across him and she can demon fling him, but she's ghost flinging him.
Speaker A:I guess.
Speaker A:So now in this episode alone, in addition to we already have a demon fling, but now we also have a witch fling and a ghost fling.
Speaker B:It is a Celtic.
Speaker B:Is the Celtic festival.
Speaker B:We're just having flings everywhere.
Speaker B:So everybody's flinging,.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And Dean has a line which is another.
Speaker A:I'm sure it's another psychobilly album.
Speaker A:Zombie Ghost Orgy.
Speaker A:I mean like Zombie Ghost Train is a band actually.
Speaker B:Zombie Ghost Train was an amazing psychobill.
Speaker A:Orgy.
Speaker B:I have not listened to Zombie Ghost Trainer forever.
Speaker B:Now I have to.
Speaker A:And then, yeah, we cut back to good old Don and Sam's fight.
Speaker A:Don, AKA Sam Hain and Sam fighting.
Speaker A:And he's got man, his real weird light blue eyes just really bother me.
Speaker B:Actually, did you watch Game of Thrones?
Speaker A:Nope.
Speaker B:Oh, it's very.
Speaker B:Not skinwalker.
Speaker B:Whatever they call them the Ghost Walkers or whatever the fuck.
Speaker B:White Walkers.
Speaker B:White Walker.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, Sam Walker, Texas Ranger.
Speaker B:I just would have a weird.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker B:We have brought this all around.
Speaker A:Okay, bring it all the way back.
Speaker A:All the way back.
Speaker A:So Sam manages to kind of pull Ruby's knife out and has touched Sam Hain on the arm and it burns the fuck out of his arm.
Speaker A:And he lets Sam go.
Speaker A:It burns.
Speaker A:And then Sam uses his demon skills back on Sam Hain doing one of his handless hands free exorcism.
Speaker B:So this is where mine say his demon Haynes start sucking him out.
Speaker B:And then his eyes are going to pop out of his head.
Speaker B:His head.
Speaker B:Or maybe he's going to poop.
Speaker B:Because I couldn't tell like from both of those.
Speaker B:It was just like either like those blue eyes were like.
Speaker B:Yeah, I was like, oh, either he really has to take a shit or like his eyes are going to come up.
Speaker A:Yeah, well he's got little puffs of black smoke coming out his chest.
Speaker A:And he's trying to walk towards Sam but can't.
Speaker A:Which is kind of a weird.
Speaker A:Like, I guess the other time we've seen Sam do this, the demon possessed person, whatever was tied to a chair.
Speaker A:So I guess it makes sense.
Speaker A:But while this is all going on, Dean walks up and sees, but he doesn't stop Sam, which I think is interesting.
Speaker A:He doesn't freak out.
Speaker A:He just watches.
Speaker A:Not.
Speaker A:Not happily.
Speaker B:Like, he looks very disappointed.
Speaker B:Dad face on, like, little.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And it takes a lot.
Speaker A:Like, Sam's, like, really working, as you can tell.
Speaker A:His head hurts, he gets a nosebleed, but he's gonna poop.
Speaker A:Eventually.
Speaker A:Eventually, he succeeds.
Speaker A:He succeeds in getting the demon out.
Speaker A:And the smoke just kind of like falls to the ground and dissipates down just like Don's body falls to the ground.
Speaker B:And think Don's eyes.
Speaker A:Yeah, Don did think.
Speaker A:You know, and I think one of the things I thought of here, I'm like, oh, it seems really weird that, like, well, why wouldn't Don survive?
Speaker A:I mean, did.
Speaker A:The demon wasn't possessing him that long.
Speaker A:I'm like, oh, wait, is he 600 years old?
Speaker A:That would make a lot of sense.
Speaker B:Well, he also got shot a bunch of times.
Speaker A:Oh, that's true.
Speaker A:He was shot.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:So he wasn't gonna be saved anymore.
Speaker B:He's 600 years old.
Speaker B:But also, I'm going to assume that both him and Tracy came into.
Speaker B:Who's like.
Speaker B:I don't know, like, they're witches, right?
Speaker B:So witches do different things.
Speaker B:So they have spells, like.
Speaker B:But also, like, why is he possessing a hippie art teacher and she's in jail?
Speaker B:Bait, cheerleader.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:But anyway, Sam also looked like he was going to poop.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:But Don's eyes finally went back to normal, so we know he, like, at least we get rid of the blue things.
Speaker B:Then we get a lot of baboons just beating.
Speaker B:The heart's just beating loud.
Speaker B:And Sam's nose is bleeding.
Speaker B:And you can't really tell what Dean is thinking.
Speaker A:Like, you can tell he's not happy, but you can tell he's kind of.
Speaker A:But he still hasn't stepped in here.
Speaker B:Yeah, he's like.
Speaker B:He doesn't seem excited about it, right, But.
Speaker A:But he's not like, flipping out pissed either.
Speaker B:Yeah, he's not rushing in like, what the fuck, Sam?
Speaker B:So it's kind of hard to.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:This is very ambiguous of like, what's happening on here?
Speaker B:So we're going to cut to Sam.
Speaker A:Packet the next day, and it's just.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's Uriel comes to visit him and.
Speaker B:Pops in like, hey, you little bitch, I'm just gonna pop in your room.
Speaker A:Like, just pop in while you're packing.
Speaker A:Interrupt you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:He's like, oh, are you thinking about how the next day is 11 2, which is the anniversary of both your mom and your girlfriend dying and they were both killed by Yellow Eyes, but you still use the power you got from him, man.
Speaker B:Well, yeah.
Speaker B:And he's just like.
Speaker B:His line is, like, you so brazenly use the power he gave you.
Speaker B:His profane blood pumping through your veins like, what a line and overdramatic material.
Speaker A:And, like, you were told not to use your power twice, no matter the Twice, no matter the consequences.
Speaker A:And he's like.
Speaker A:Sam's like, yeah, my brother was right.
Speaker A:You guys are dicks.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:You're fucking dicks.
Speaker B:At least.
Speaker B:Like, we finally are all on the same page here.
Speaker B:Uriel, you're a fucking dick.
Speaker B:And Uriel just, like, does what all dicks do.
Speaker B:And he pops up his chest.
Speaker A:Pops up his chest, gets in Sam's face.
Speaker A:The only reason that Sam's alive is because you're useful.
Speaker A:And if that stops, it'll turn him to dust.
Speaker A:And tell Dean to climb off his high horse and tell Sam.
Speaker A:Though the interesting last bit here is tell Sam to ask Dean what Dean remembers from hell.
Speaker A:We've been getting snippets.
Speaker B:We've been getting snippets like.
Speaker B:And we got.
Speaker B:So this got brought up earlier in the episode when he saw the mask and here, so.
Speaker B:And then obviously, in the past few episodes, we've been alluding to this.
Speaker B:So what does.
Speaker B:What happened in hell, man?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:Dean's lying to you, Sam.
Speaker B:But also because you're.
Speaker B:You're sucking demons.
Speaker B:And, you know, like, no one likes a demon, sucker.
Speaker B:You know, it was just.
Speaker A:Dean's in a park with a playground with Castiel, and Castiel is talking about how, you know, our orders were not to stop the summoning, but to do whatever Dean told them to, and that the whole thing was a test act, after all, for battlefield conditions.
Speaker A:Dean's like, what.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker A:This is not like.
Speaker A:This is a witch.
Speaker A:Not a.
Speaker A:Not like an offensive maneuver here.
Speaker A:So he's kind of upset about this, and he assumes that he failed the test because he decided to go after the witch himself and.
Speaker A:But that he would make the same Call no matter what.
Speaker A:He's saving the kids, saving the lives, and that's all that matters.
Speaker A:Like, looking at the playground around them, Castiel's like, yeah, like, you know, all people are works of art.
Speaker A:They're all my father's creation.
Speaker A:But even though Sam Hain was sent back to Hell, he was summoned.
Speaker A:So the seal was broken.
Speaker A:Well, fuck.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:And he is just like.
Speaker B:And he's also really just being like, this is one step closer to hell on Earth for all creation.
Speaker B:And that's not an expression.
Speaker B:So we're like, fuck.
Speaker B:Like, what the hell is coming?
Speaker B:And then he says to even bring this back a little more.
Speaker B:You of all people should appreciate what that means.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:More hints that Dean has really experienced some hell shit.
Speaker A:And then Castiel gives, like, a little confession to Dean and says it's a secret.
Speaker A:He's like, look, I'm not a hammer like you said I was earlier.
Speaker A:I do have doubts.
Speaker A:I'm not always sure what's right and wrong, but Dean's gonna have to make decisions in the future, and he doesn't envy that weight of those decisions.
Speaker A:He disappears.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:And so, I mean, he's really going off on this, you know?
Speaker B:Like, I don't know what's right or wrong.
Speaker B:I have doubts.
Speaker B:And I think this is the first time that we see Cassiel get humanized in this way.
Speaker B:Like, the.
Speaker B:Like, we've already.
Speaker B:We started seeing a little bit of it into going that.
Speaker B:Like, as you obviously know, that people love Cassiel and people love Misha Collins.
Speaker B:And, like, so you're like, why.
Speaker B:Why would you think that?
Speaker A:Like, this guy's a dick.
Speaker A:Why does everybody love him?
Speaker B:And this is That.
Speaker B:I think this is, like, kind of one of those pivoting moments where it was like, oh, like, maybe he's.
Speaker B:There's something else to this guy also.
Speaker B:Like, Misha Collins, just fantastic.
Speaker B:Like, he is such a.
Speaker B:Like, you want to.
Speaker B:Like, you want to be in his side.
Speaker B:You don't want to hate him.
Speaker B:Uriel, like, also the actor.
Speaker B:I don't have the actor who played him in front of me.
Speaker B:Diana, do you have it?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Uriel was played by Robert Wisdom, who was in Face off, the Dark Knight Rises, Rey Watchmen and Rose, Rosemary Rosewood.
Speaker A:Excuse me.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So he's so fantastic that you just hate him.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:He's a great asshole.
Speaker A:Great asshole.
Speaker B:Wonderful villain.
Speaker B:But Bisha's doing that thing, which is harder to be.
Speaker B:Like, I'm a dick, but I want you on my side.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:So for sure, it's A little bit more complex.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:A couple other.
Speaker A:Just casting notes since we're talking, since that came up real fast.
Speaker A:So Don Harding, aka Sam Hain, was played by Don McMan, so he didn't have to work hard on remembering his name.
Speaker A:He was in Maze Runner.
Speaker A:He was on one episode of Parks and recognized.
Speaker A:Look it up.
Speaker A: In: Speaker A:And he was in National Treasure.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker A:And then Tracy Davis was played by Ashley Benson, who, in addition to Days of our lives and 13 going on 30 pixels.
Speaker A:Oh, days of Her Life, Elvis and Nixon, she was also in Spring breakers.
Speaker A:And I don't know if you've seen that, but it is.
Speaker A:It's the James Franco.
Speaker A:It's spraying.
Speaker A:It's so bad.
Speaker A:It's so good.
Speaker B:I love that movie.
Speaker A:It's so up.
Speaker A:It's awful.
Speaker B:That may be a good lock when I'm locked in a hotel room, like, on Saturday.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:It's so fucked.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Anyways, so those are our main.
Speaker B:So, yeah, I think that back.
Speaker B:That's the end of the episode, I think.
Speaker B:So Cass has disappeared, so.
Speaker B:And we.
Speaker B:We moved the season storyline along.
Speaker B:Well, for sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Have a fun break with a.
Speaker B:We got some Urban Legends and a little bit of monster.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:All those things.
Speaker A:No, I thought it was a really good episode.
Speaker A:I enjoyed it.
Speaker A:I think the.
Speaker A:Haven't.
Speaker A:Like, it was kind of like a nice combination, if you're getting the.
Speaker A:The long storyline tie in.
Speaker A:You got a little bit of the ethical dilemma and faith, the good monster of the week.
Speaker A:But also you had some fun Urban Legends.
Speaker A:It was kind of a good combo episode, I thought.
Speaker A:I really enjoyed it, even though I don't want razor blades in my mouth.
Speaker A:Order Bob for apples over.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think.
Speaker B:Yeah, they did a.
Speaker B:It was a really good mix as the special effects.
Speaker B:This episode were fantastic.
Speaker B:The casting, I thought, was great.
Speaker B:I thought the script was really awesome.
Speaker B:Am I very angry at the way they turned my favorite.
Speaker B:My favorite night of the year and just, you know, just.
Speaker B:Just killed it?
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:Okay, whatever.
Speaker B:No, not.
Speaker B:Not happy about that.
Speaker B:But at the same time, I got a Halloween in the spring, so I got some spooky.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yay.
Speaker B:All right, I think we're gonna wrap it up there.
Speaker B:So happy birthday, Diana.
Speaker B:So happy birthday.
Speaker A:Cheers.
Speaker A:Cheers.
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