Heather Hanson is an intuitive, healer, Magical Mentor, creativity junkie, and creator/owner of the Creative Sage Cottage, a healing destination in Union Pier, Michigan. Heather shares with us how she didn’t come from a fairytale background or grow up with affirming messages and for many years, wore masks of her survival self until she hit a very difficult time in 2017. Following this period of darkness, she emerged stronger than ever, with more commitment to share her gifts, talents and healing abilities with the world. Heather’s work includes serving you as a “Magical Mentor”, tarot card reader, Hebrew Aleph-bes expert, and leader of workshops, amongst many other things! Heather supports humans in untangling what has held them back and illuminates light on the shadows to create new possibilities in their lives. Heather continuously asks playful questions and comes to this life with a “Why not?” attitude! She is incredibly inspiring and her energy is contagious! Listen in and let me know what you love! Um, everything!

EPISODE TAKEAWAYS (what you’ll learn):

• What if this was all true? Nature, plants, tarot, any tool we have ever been given
• We don’t all come from fairytale backgrounds
• What if you could use your heartbreak for your own transformation
• The remarkable gift of using your voice and experiences to support one another
• How the Tarot and Hebrew alphabet complement each other
• The idea that there is a commonality amongst the tools we access for healing
• The importance of sharing our spiritual experiences
• Appreciation for the humans walking alongside us as a foundational principle of being
• The importance of saying yes to the journey
• How to name the shadow in the dark

About the Guest:

I’m Heather Hanson, and The Creative Sage Cottage is my magical Queendom. The Cottage is one part store and one part Magical Mentoring space. A few of my favorite and most consistent hats to wear are that of an intuitive, Magical Mentor, mixed media artist, spiritual interpreter, Magi-crafting facilitator, creativity junkie, writer, teacher, student, wife and mother to Sammy our “Pitador” Rescue pooch. For the last 25 years or so I have extensively studied and taken more classes than I can count in Theology, Religion, Alternative Healing, Jewish Mysticism, Kabbalah, herbalism, psychology, crystal therapy, Tarot as it relates to healing and the Hebrew Alef-bes, Astrology and energy healing. I am an intuitive since long before I took my first breath. I am also a perpetual student and teacher of life and spirituality. Heather founded Creative Sage Cottage, and finally at age 53, I am living from a place of authenticity and truth. During all that darkness I found my way into a deeper relationships with a few old loves; Tarot, the Hebrew Alef-Bes, Jewish mysticism and several other tools that I had always relied on to help me feel closer to God. As I was allowing myself to heal and slowly putting myself and my marriage back together, I fell very intentionally down a deep and magical rabbit hole where I wound up meeting my most authentic self…she was way down there at rock bottom. And that is how my ascent began…I ripped off every band-aid, took off every mask, fought like hell to silence every internal nay-sayer and for the first time in my life, I invited my truest self to rise up out of the ashes. I leaned in whole-heartedly and decided it was time to honor my SELF by using the burdens I had carried as a sort of spiritual healing elixir for others. This is the path of the wounded healer; and it is why my company; Creative Sage Cottage was born. I have an intimate relationship with the darkest night of the soul and it has lead me to know that my souls greatest calling is to remind you of your divine origin, to introduce you to your soul again. I now rely on my intuition in partnership with our Creator to assist you on your journey back to your most authentic self. I am a work in progress holding space for healing and the cultivation of divine memory and magic.

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Welcome back to mystical sisterhood. Today's

guest is Heather Hansen head there is an intuitive healer, a

magical mentor, a creativity junkie and creator owner of the

creative sage cottage, a healing destination in Union pier

Michigan. Today, Heather shares with us how she may not have

come from a fairy tale background or grow up with

affirming messages, and for many years wore masks of her survival

self until she hit her own rock bottom, just a few years back,

and how she cultivated that period of darkness to look

within and see where pieces of her needed to be tended to from

her childhood, and she emerged stronger than ever. Heather

truly is a magical mentor. And you're not gonna want to miss

this episode. It's filled with so much magic and so much beauty

that I can't wait for you to listen. So here we go. Hey

there, welcome to mystical sisterhood. This is your host,

Maureen Spielman. I started the show to highlight the

intuitives, healers and other courageous women that I've met

along my journey and continue to meet. Through amazing

interviews, I seek to ask insightful questions to uncover

ways in which you the listener can apply the wisdom and

knowledge to your own life. I believe that we're all in this

together. So sharing healing and joy, and bringing community

together is both my passion and purpose. If you'd like to learn

more about the mystical sisterhood community I'm

building, please visit www mystical sisterhood.com See you

in the episode. Welcome back to mystical sisterhood podcast.

This is Maureen and I'm here today with Heather Hansen. I did

a longer bio for Heather in the intro. But Heather, I was so

greatly honored to meet probably about a year and a half ago at

her creative sage cottage in new buffalo or Michigan that might

be union pier, actually. But just this beautiful, energetic

space feel filled with healing arts, and also attend a workshop

at your farmhouse which was such a beautiful event for me and

experience. And I guess the way that I'm going to introduce you,

Heather, is that you are an intuitive a healer I just told

you, I consider you to be a mystic other kinds of monikers

that you have gone by our magical mentor, mixed media

artist, spiritual interpreter, creativity junkie, writer,

teacher, student, wife, and mother to your rescue pooch. And

I know our conversation today will probably span a lot of

different areas that you sort of specialize in. And we had a

conversation preparing ourselves for today. And in it, I was

really struck by what you called the unseen worlds and your

fascination with unseen worlds. And this idea of what if all

these things in front of us the nature the flowers, the plants,

these tools we have like the taro or the Hebrew alphabet.

What if they were these magical just tools waiting for us to use

them? They were they they've been part of our cultures for

centuries. And and just the discovery of these tools is like

wow, these these aren't just made up things that some people

can access and some people don't have access to. So that was

really striking to me. And then I'm just gonna say a quote that

you said yesterday, that I think is really important. And that

was, we all want to know we are holy, and how are we going to

support one another? In knowing this? Amen. Right? Yeah. So with

those, I'll just start, you know, whatever struck you with

what I just said, or wherever you want to start about

yourself. I welcome it.

Oh my goodness. Well, first of all, I'm so

beyond honored and thrilled and humbled to be a part of this

because I feel like what you're doing is opening a container for

people to be able to hear in whatever needs to come through

this sacred thing that we call life and all these different

moving parts. You give us a space where we can listen and we

can listen without can tendency without judgment, we can share

our experiences and sort of come together as these remarkable

human beings that we are. So whatever I can contribute to

this part of the journey, I'm so grateful. So thank you for that.

I appreciate the opportunity. I think one of the things that is

the at the forefront of the work that I do and that I hope to

continue to do for as long as I am here, is this idea that,

like, what if this is all true? What if all these guideposts and

signs and little intuitive nagging things that we get and

these things that show up for us? What if it's all real? What

if that there really is this divine supreme being who, for

whatever reason, decided to breathe all of us into

existence, and now our greatest responsibility, and what I hope

is our deepest and most profound joy is being able to reflect

back to God, what he has created through our eyes. So it's a

Yeah, it's a profound honor to be here in this space on the

planet at this particular time, just to be in observance and

celebration of what's happening right now.

I love the way that you say that. And I, what I

hear from people over and over and over again, is was what you

just said to about how we're all this divine representation.

Like, that's not just, you know, we can look at social media and

say, like, Oh, they're saying that they're saying that, but

no, no, no, that's one of those. Those gifts, like, what if what

if it were true that each one of us was instilled with these

gifts, this myriad of just this cocktail or alchemy of? Yeah,

what we're what we're here it is to serve and support? And what

if it were true?

Well, and I feel like, you know, not all of us come

from fairy tale backstories, some of us have really chaotic,

oftentimes horrific, traumatic. backstories. And what if we're

able to, instead of sitting in that space of these tragedies

that were a part of my life? What if I could figure out a way

to use them as medicine for someone else? What if every

experience is holy and sacred? And somehow, we get to alchemize

it and say, How can I use this to help the next person? How can

I shine a light a little bit brighter for the next person

that comes along. And so my greatest burden, perhaps can

become a blessing for you. And that's one of the things, gosh,

it's kind of become like one of my missions to make sure that

everybody understands, there's an opportunity here for the

divine to be a part of all of it, if you choose to see it, if

you'll receive it, it's not reserved with the idea that you

have to have a certain degree or you have to have gone through

the worst of it or nothing at all. It just is. Because you

were, I believe a prayer on the heart of God before you ever

took a breath into your humanity. And what are you going

to do with that knowing how does every single thing change? If no

matter what your backstory here, backstory is, you're here with

intention and divine purpose. Now what? Right there's no

limit?

No, there's there's no limit and to have

someone like you and as many of us who can be a reflection for

the others who need that, at a particular time, it can change

lives.

Yes, I think that's one of the most remarkable gifts

that we have is the opportunity to use our voice and use our

experiences regardless of what that looks like. I in the work

that I do with one on one mentoring. I have a lot of

clients that come to me, and they want to heal, they want to

figure out like how do I put this burden down. But then it's

so comfortable. We don't even recognize that we're carrying it

half the time. It's like the sweater that's faded out and

it's pillowy and but you won't throw it away because you it's

the first thing that you see in the closet. You don't even give

it a thought. And I like the idea of shining a light into

shadows where we might not want to look because we're so afraid

of what's hiding there. And then realizing that it's not so scary

when it's framed in divinity. That yes, it was a horrible

experience. And I'm so sorry that it happened. But what can

we do with it now? How can we take The backstory and turn it

into a happily ever after for anybody else that you touch and

for your own experience. Yeah,

I love that part of your work. Because just

bringing up, I really appreciate you bringing up, hey, we don't

all come from fairy tale backgrounds. And so there's no

bypassing care of what we've been through. And I think, you

know, you had sent me a beautiful, long, longer bio, and

I in the bio, you talk about how you had your own crash and burn

and kind of, I don't know, I forget what you had called it.

But that time where it seemed that everything was occurring

for you, and then you kind of had a awaking up or it sounds

like a gentle waking up out of that.

Yeah, I feel like, well, most of my childhood on

into adulthood was chaos. It was just my parents had a very

unique way of existing in the world. And a lot of it was not

cookie cutter founded on truth, it was more, they created their

own kind of reality in a lot of different ways. And so it took a

really long time to understand that this isn't the way most

people are raised. I started going to a therapist, because I

was afraid that I had a warped sense of reality. Because if

you're the one who's telling the truth, and everybody else has a

skewed narrative, the collective, even in my own home

was more like, Well, you're the one that isn't actually being

honest, we're the ones that are being honest. So it took a long

time to sort that out. And let be able to listen to my own

voice and the one that was deeper. And then just when I

thought I had figured it all out, 2017 came and my marriage

was blown to smithereens, my younger brother passed away

after a long battle with cancer, I was hit by a drunk driver. My

mother was I put her was actually coming home from

putting her in the hospital with end stage leukemia. And then she

passed away two weeks later, it was literally in the course of

2017 into 2018. And I was like, day after day, kind of in this

emotional, fetal position, like Oh, my God, everything that I

thought I knew, and everything that was certain for me, doesn't

exist anymore. What do I do now? Like, where do I go and what

I've never been comfortable in, like walking into a synagogue or

going to a girlfriend. Because I had a mother who used to tell

me, people didn't like me. So I kept everything very close to

the breast. So eventually, I had to sort of decide like, am I

gonna move forward? And somehow find my way out of this? Or is

this the end of the story for me, like, do I just kind of curl

up into a ball under a desk, start sucking my thumb. And

that's the end of it. And I decided that there was too much

at stake. Like there was too much life that I had come

through for that to be the end of the story. And so here I am.

And I turned back to the Hebrew alphabet, and taro and God and

all the tools that I had been accumulating in this amazing

spiritual toolbox, my whole life without even realizing that at

some point, they were going to step forward and essentially

save me. And now I get to use them as medicine for someone

else. So it was, yeah, it was a crazy time. And I, I think life

is an ongoing evolution and healing and uncovering and

releasing, and, but I'm still here. So as long as I'm still

breathing, then I'm still evolving, and it's a really good

day.

Yeah, but thank you for sharing, you know,

that the trajectory of that year and, and the pain of it, and I

think a lot of people listening are going to relate to that,

because when rock bottoms come, they sometimes come really big

and heavy. And then it also strikes me that because I had

read that you had been a practitioner and a seeker and

just loved all these different kinds of tools that were out

there and and it really ancient, you know, modalities. And then

when you hit that place and you started to turn around is that

when you began to see it different differently, like wow,

maybe these even have more meaning that I ever knew they

and I can kind of see them sitting on your shelves kind of

waiting for you. Well,

yes, I love that. You just said that because I had

this book about the Hebrew alphabet this little tiny book.

And I'd probably had it for 10 years I've been accumulating,

like spiritual knowledge my whole life, I sample from every

face every back store every background, because I love it so

much this idea that we all come from these different experiences

and places religiously spiritually. So there was this

book and I kid you not. I looked over at this thing, and it

almost like lit up it was, it was brighter than I had ever

noticed it to be. So I took it off the shelf. And it was all

about the mysticism of the Hebrew alphabet, and how these

letters were actually God's tools to create the entire

universe and everything in it. Each one of the 22 letters

represents something in creation. And then it went a

little further when I realized Hold on a minute, the 22 Major

Arcana of the Tarot that I've been playing with essentially,

since I was six years old. This kind of sounds familiar, started

digging deeper, Kabbalistic wisdom and the sages, it all

starts overlapping. And each of the 22 majors are assigned a

Hebrew letter. There's numerology, there's astrology,

there's herbs, and I just allowed myself to literally

tumble down this rabbit hole, and was like, Okay, God, I'm

listening, show me everything, and show me how I'm going to put

this all together. And here I am. It's been quite a journey.

Yeah, has it ever right? And I feel like you

were in a higher consciousness. And we're able to see these

things almost from a mountain top down, and then we're able to

link them up. But what also comes to mind, to me in this

conversation, is that the way that society is set up are in

these different religions. And that, that the certain tools or

books or you know, ancient teachings are for that religion

only. But I hear what you're saying is like, oh, you know,

maybe we can share, maybe there are three lines from one to the

other. And it was never meant to be only for one group of people

and other people excluded.

Nope. And that's one of the things that I love the most,

is we it's kind of like what you and I were talking about

yesterday when I said, you and I will both stand in front of the

Mona Lisa. And we will both see different aspects of that piece

of artwork. You're going to see one thing, maybe it's the

colors, I'm going to see something else. Maybe it's a

twinkle in her eye. And rather than me say, No, Maureen, that's

not what you should be looking at. What if I looked at it also,

what if you shared it with me, and all of a sudden, I got to

experience the Mona Lisa, in a completely different context and

through someone else's eyes. And I believe this is what God

intended for us on a spiritual level. He created this unknown

limited body of humanity, not the same, but entirely

different. Every single one of us brings something else to this

story. And what if the way I experience God, I get to share

with you and all of a sudden, you have a different experience

of God? Oh, I didn't really think of it that way. Oh, that

hasn't been my experience up to this point. People are always

surprised when they come to me for intuitive readings. And I

quote scripture from the New Testament. Why do you know the

New Testament? Are you Jewish? Yes, but it's a beautiful part

of this whole thing. And I love that there are these keys and

these beautiful lines of what I believe to be divine hope. My

gosh, if you have the faith of a mustard seed, you can move a

mountain, there's no limit to that. Ask and You Shall Receive

knock and the door will be opened, that I was made in the

image of the one that made me not if I do things a certain

way. But as of being because it is it was designed that way. And

far be it for me to get in the way with my interpretation. I

just want to be able to share and hopefully when you leave my

presence, you and I are better people for having crossed one

another's paths. It's pretty simple. I think. It just gets,

you know, humanity. We like to take things and make it more

complicated. And I think the beautiful thing about God is he

or she made sure there's room for everyone at the table. You

don't have to do anything to be seated there.

Yeah, and you have this way of, I don't know,

the person that's sitting next Do you look at or looking at the

Mona Lisa with you, that's this beautiful kind of way we're

meant to relate to one another, there's an energy or a quality,

you hold a reverence, I feel like for the human being that's

in front of you, or you're speaking to, it's just a

different feel. And, and, and one that I'd say is so needed

right now.

Thank you. You know, I feel like I'm coming from a

place. I mean, honestly, most of my life, and now I really, I was

recently in Sedona on this private spiritual journey. It

was a an organization that offers, literally, it was a

private retreat. So your interview, they find out what

your intentions are. And then you are assigned these different

teachers, depending on how long you're going to be there. And I

said to the guy, the concierge that interviewed me, this is

what I do for a living. So give me your best, like I want I can

take it I, I did it over Yom Kippur war, because I wanted to

leave everything in Sedona. And I needed answers to questions

and I needed to come back, knowing that I was either going

to go full force into the spiritual journey. Or maybe I

needed a course correct. So the very first day, they sent me to

this lovely woman, and her name was Danny, the title of my

teaching with her was healing the childhood wound. And I went

into it kind of arrogant. I was like, my god, I've been in

therapy. Like for years, I think I got this. No, this woman, a

lot of the people, the practitioners were also

therapists. So they lent a very interesting perspective. She

started asking me questions. And the next thing I knew I was

sobbing, because I had this memory of being in third grade.

And I wanted to invite a teacher to come home and have lunch with

us. This was like a thing we did in elementary school. And my mom

said, yeah, she's not going to want to come, she's never liked

you. And you've never been somebody that she's really

wanted in her class to begin with. And I was like, Oh, my

gosh, I had this like lightning bolt moment sitting with this

woman, Denny, when all of a sudden, I realized that my mom

spent most of my life doing this, when I would say I want to

go after this job, my mom would have some weird reason why the

person who was supposed to hire me wasn't going to like me. And

I'm not saying this out of a place of, I don't come from this

as a victim. This is what I believe became one of my

greatest tools. Because I walk through the world very

intentionally, making sure I do whatever I can do so that nobody

ever feels the way I was made to feel. If I had known that God

just loved me, for me, and that I was created with intention.

And I didn't have to be anything more than who I already am. How

would every single thing have been different than and so it's,

it's the number one thing on the top of my, like, how can I serve

is just making I don't care if you're a Christian, a Muslim and

eight I don't does none of that. What matters to me is that you

know that you're here, because you matter, because you mattered

so much that you had to be created, in order for God to be

able to express this most holy aspect of his or herself through

you. There was no other way it could be done. Oh my gosh,

that's like,

why now what? Yeah. And so in the ceremony

that you had where this the memory was coming, and you're

seeing the patterns of the way your mom came to you, then was

there a time where then you went back to yourself with this new

messaging? Or how did she work?

Yeah, that was so I didn't realize at the time, so

that was on Monday, and every modality every teacher

throughout the rest of the week, was intentionally building on

each experience that you had getting to. It was supposed to

not happen till Friday, but on Wednesday evening, I had an

experience with a shamanic breath worker that I thought I

was dead like I it took me weeks after I got home to be able to

even talk about it. Because it was such a profound experience

where I literally I knew for the first time without doubt that I

was that I matter that what it was okay to put everything down

now that I can now free up that space be Because the way I heard

it, in this unbelievable, I was like, I can't even there's not

really words to describe. I just heard this beautiful voice

saying to me, you have been, you've spent your life trying to

intellectualize me. But if you would just get to know me from

your heart, we're already connected. This is already I've

been here the whole time. And it was like, I can set this stuff

down, I can literally set it down. And the next teacher had

me call up an image of myself in third grade, bring it up, what

did I look like, and begin to have a conversation with nine

year old me. And that little version of me has stayed with me

since. But now she's safe. Now she feels like, I want to do

this with you. And so you get to bring that childhood energy,

that innocence that wonder that curiosity. I get to bring it

forward now. And I don't have to keep her at bay where she can

feel protected and sort of out of frame. So yeah, Sedona

changed my life like I can't, there's no way to be the same

after that.

I know, I had read it when you said you went

through everything, you know, five years ago, that the one of

the lines, you said something like I learned to take all the

masks off. And you know, through your healing workout in Sedona,

you can see that. I think taking the masks off, it's all a

process with which being patient with ourselves and calling in

what we need are picking up that book we need to read at a

certain time. But then down the line. I love that it came to you

altogether within a week. And then you were it feels like you

really became freed you really became liberated, you really

became just your true self and ready to shine ready to share

from your essence. And then that's the gift that you give

back to your clients now. Oh, I

pray that's true. Because I feel like I tell

everybody, we're onions. We're like these human onions. And

just when you think you understand everything, oh,

there's another layer to me. And there's one more and Oh, I

totally forgot that happen. And only in hindsight, can we look

back and see this complete picture. But the the gift of it

all is not using that as a weapon or a shield, but instead

carrying it forward and alkalizing all of that into the

barrel? The very best of what's on the horizon now, like, what

can I do with this? Now, I've been given all of this. And I do

believe even the worst of it, it depending on how we choose to

frame it going forward can become a gift. But it's a

choice. Just like we wake up every day and we decide, how am

I going to experience the day, there could be 20 people that

come at you with their own stuff? Do you let it stick? Do

you alchemize it into something good to give back to them? What

is it? What how do you utilize that? And so I think when we

live our lives from this space of a holy intention, and make no

mistake that it's like an emotional chacha, we take a few

steps forward and always back. But as long as we're moving with

awareness, we're moving in the right direction. Yeah.

And you said to that you came back from that

retreat? Seeing yourself, I don't know, translator a

translator came out of that one. But you also said wounded

healer. And after we spoke yesterday, I was speaking to a

friend and I was so excited. And I said that, you know you had

used that term wounded healer, which I've heard before, too.

Would you explain that a little bit to the listeners to what

what you mean by that?

Um, I think and I hope this doesn't sound arrogant when

I mean it with the best of intention. I feel like if we're

going to step into a space of healing, where we want to heal

ourselves and then hopefully use that to heal forward. You can't

gain the depth of understanding from a textbook. It has to have

been lived. This doesn't mean that everybody's lives in order

to do good have to be born out of catastrophe, but a certain

sense of having walked in the shadows to know what the shadow

is because I believe very much that life is about duality. And

we can't know one thing without the other. We can't have a full

appreciation for light until we've been in the dark. So I

feel like you know there's that phrase healer heal thyself.

There was a lot of work to do. I had a lifetime of work that I

have been kind of adds easier not to do it and just be

protected. Add from it, and shove it under a box under the

bed somewhere in a box. And then when you take it out and you

look at it, it's time to fix all of this and start the process of

healing it so that I can draw on my own experiences. And not to

say your experience will be anything like mine. But I have a

certain level of empathy, because I know what it feels to

be broken. I know what it feels like when you literally feel

like there's nothing left to hope. Like, what am I doing

here? Why, where do I find value in the world? And so when people

come to me, and I have a very specific client in mind that

came to me and said, The world is just a horrible place. Why

would I want to be a part of this? And I, the only answer I

could give was like, give it a chance. If you're constantly

looking for devils, you'll always find devils. But if

you're looking for sunshine and light, and the good that's out

there in the world, it's there. Sometimes it has to come from

you. Sometimes that divine spark that was given to you, before

you showed up. That's where you have to dig into. And you have

to release that spark into the ether so that somebody else gets

the benefit of shining from it. So it's very much coming from a

broken place. And then using that to heal forward. Yeah, that

I would say that would be the wounded healer for me.

I think that giving the permission I love I

like the advice of its advice or the reflection of give it a

chance there reminds me of be willing just all you need to be

is just a little bit willing. I know yesterday you were talking

about you said something, it's time to up and everything as we

know it. And I was wondering, you know if we're a collective,

if everyone listening in today is leaning in and listening into

what's being said, you know, how can we all contribute towards

sort of being part of that recreation of what this was all

meant to be?

Oh, that's a big one, isn't it? Yeah. Go big or go

home as? Well, I sort of love that. Because don't you have a

choice as to what you're going to contribute to the world? And

if we literally decide, I asked the client last week, what would

happen? If in this moment, just while we're sitting here, forget

about when you leave here. But just in this moment? What if you

decided to believe that you truly are a divine being? What

if you decided to know that? What if all the stuff that

happened up to this point, the context of your family? Forget

about all of it just for a minute, put it on mute, put it

on pause? What happens then what happens when you know, I made in

the image of the one that made me this gets me every time I

tried to talk about it? Because how can your life ever be the

same? How can you not want to tell everybody? It's going to be

okay, you came from the same place? I did. And I'm so sorry

that up to this point. It may not be perfect. But guess what?

We have hope here we have an opportunity to remember who we

are not who my mom told me I was not who whatever judgment or

whatever the who the humanity, that version of the collective

decided. But the voice beneath the voice beneath the voice.

That's the one that's there. When you're sobbing on the floor

in a heap. And you hear that teeny tiny whisper, you're okay,

you're going to be okay, get up, it's going to be okay. That's

the divine. That's where I ultimately come from. That's

where you come from. And if we can start talking about that, if

we can start reminding one another that this is my God,

yes, we all started in the same place. And how can we grow this?

We that's hope on a level we can't even begin to understand

yet. And I think that's the other thing. There's a Hebrew

letter Samak, and its energetic essence is the reminder that you

and I cannot see around corners. So whatever has been up to this

point, there's something bigger at play here. And if we have

enough faith to know that there's a lot happening in the

ether that if it is meant for me is working its way to me. That

takes a lot of burden off of me because I get to just Out of the

way and say yes. And if we all decided to say yes, then what?

Can you even imagine how different it would all be?

Just the message alone, Heather, to hear

that and to have the permission to even begin to, to believe

that I loved what you're saying, too, because I've had a poll

recently to reflect back to people, all the things they are

doing, or just that reflection, because I think what you're

saying too, is based on what's gone on for us in our lives, we

we we just develop these stories and these limiting beliefs. But

so part of what I hear you saying is like advancing the

humanity, and the collective is seeing it in each other. And

reflecting back being the mirror that that we can't always be for

ourselves, and holding up the light. And I love the Hebrew

letter and the around the corner and the unknown, and can we let

go? Can we trust? Can we know that it's all going to be

working out in our favor? Well, I

mean, this is an easy, I think that that the big

misperception is like, Oh, I say yes to God, and my divinity. And

now, all the other stuff is just going to miraculously fall away.

I've been committed to doing this work for years, but never

was vocal about it. Because my story has always been, well, who

would I be to talk about this? My mom didn't even like me.

Like, if my own mother didn't like me, how can I possibly help

someone else. And then I realized, my mom was doing the

best that she could with where she came from. And it's these,

we have these generational limitations and understandings,

because we don't know better. And once we do to know better

means we have the opportunity to do better. And so if I decide on

Tuesday, that I'm going to begin to believe a different voice,

there's a lot of possibility there. And if you get to see me

doing that, or I get to see you doing that, and that makes it a

little more okay for me, now, we have a ripple effect happening,

that we don't even understand the limitation. I mean, there's,

it just keeps going at that point. But sometimes we have to

be able to see it in someone else, to know that it's okay to

do that.

I agree with you completely. And, you know,

people might even look at you and say, Oh, this is so easy for

her, but you are telling us your journey was not always stepping

into that. This is who I am, these are my gifts, this is how

I serve. It's been an evolution. But I love how, you know, a

couple of times today, you've pointed out, you know, no, there

is healing to be done. And I think that when I, you know, had

gone through my breast cancer journey, and then down the road,

when the idea of this podcast came to me, I always had, in my

experience that these two elements joy and healing could

co occur. And it's it was when I put the language together for

the podcast, it was joy and healing could co occur. And then

within community. And I think it's important what you're

saying, because we all have our painful places, and we are all

you know, we are here for each other to to be here for each

other to help the healing process how we can and largely

it's our own to do and, and and then there's the and I also love

yesterday, I think I don't think I said the words that you said.

But when you said, if all this is all this beautiful, magical

tools in front of us. You call it the show and tell. And I just

thought a lot of what you're tapping into reminds me when you

talk about the Divinity, and the show and tell it reminds me of

our childlike nature. It reminds me of how we used to play and be

in the sandbox and just the delight that we carried as young

young children, and that we see we witnessed in young children.

But that is a rediscovery of our inherent essence I believe, too.

It's a choice, because we can layer on. I mean, listen,

being human is tough sometimes. Like there's a lot of stuff that

gets thrown at us that given a choice, we would not have chosen

this for ourselves. So what do we do with it? It's already

here. I can't deny it. That hasn't served me in any way. But

what if the worst of it actually can serve me? What if there's

something good that I can do? Do with it. And oh my god, what

else is out there? Like, where's the rest of the story? If I

shrink myself down, keep my head down and don't look for it. All

that magic that's been tapping that's been trying to get my

attention is like, alright, well, I gave it a shot. I guess

I'm gonna move on down the road to Amy's house. Maybe she's

open. Maybe she's listening. So I feel like Yeah, I mean,

sometimes. Someone said to me, I think I told you this yesterday,

I was having a conversation with someone about God. And I said, I

truly believe at the end of the day, it's all about loving one

another. And this person looked at me and he was like, that is

that's from the mouth of a simpleton. Nobody, nobody talks

like that. Nobody actually believes that. And I was like,

Yes, but what if that's true? Why wouldn't it be so much more

exciting to live in that world and to come at life from that

experience? Because little kids, they bring like a certain energy

to things until we tell them not to, until we say like, no,

Johnny, that isn't how it's supposed to be, you shouldn't be

that joyful, contain yourself. And I feel like, it's so

interesting to me, because we start out like that. We go

through this grown up s aspect of ourselves, and then we become

older. And in our later years, we get back to that place. A lot

of times, they lose their inhibitions with age, because at

a certain point, you say to yourself, What have I been

waiting for? Like, why have I been keeping all of this joy in

a box? There's only so much time, I may as well enjoy it

now. So it's Yeah, meaning from a play. You know, when people

come to me, I create a lot of personal rituals for people to

just draw their attention to the present while they're setting an

intention, and a lot of times people will ask, like, what kind

of candleholders should I use. Now I always tell people to go

to a park, where a lot of children play and collect the

gravel or the dirt from around the swing, set the slide the

playground and anchor your candle in that. Because that

energy, that's pure joy. That's what it looked like when we were

kids before the world said it's not supposed to be that way. So

every time you look at that dirt, it's just some gravel, but

it's charged with this beautiful innocence that laughs when the

craziest things happen and doesn't care. It's just innate

joy. And that's what it should be.

And I feel like that's what you're

delivering to because if we if we talk about the creative sage

cottage, which you opened I've been there and when I walked in

it's it's it's got a little bit of something for everyone and

you feel like a kid in a candy shop. Because it's it's so so

magical and everything that you're describing today and the

different things that you turn to to assist your clients and

yourself. It's like this potpourri. And that's the way I

see that the cottage as well because someone can walk into it

and pick and choose pick up a journal and say like is okay oh,

is this one for me? Do I like the color? Okay, I'm gonna put

that back. I'm gonna go over here. Oh, she's got crystals

over here. So just talk about that create the creative sage

cottage. And how did that come to be? And it's just such a

magical place. And I know a lot of people are going to visit and

get joy from it. Thank you.

It's like a buy bubble. I always tell people, you know,

I've been doing this for a while and I had this little tiny

cottage that we had built next door. I'm super lucky because I

live on a piece of land we purchased that zoned commercial

residential. So this is literally in my backyard. And

when I started out, I just I mean, I've been I was afraid to

say like, Oh, I do tarot readings. And I'm an intuitive

but I'm not a fortune teller. I want to share my understanding

of God with you. And I didn't want to sound like everything

I've done. I've always, like held everything back. But then I

sort of started putting it out there like, this isn't for you

to have a winning lottery ticket. This is not for me to

wave a magic wand and change anything for you. This is for me

to offer awareness. And people started showing up at this teeny

tiny little cottage. And you would I'd have to like open the

doors and bring chairs and these beautiful conversations would

happen. And I my husband, thankfully is immensely

supportive and was like yeah, we have this isn't going to work.

We're going to need Need something else. So we decided

that I would have a bigger space, we would basically like,

I think we tripled it. Because I do new moon and full moon

workshops. And it's about community, and it's about sacred

community. And I have a waiting list people like wanted to be a

part of a conversation and community. And to be honest with

you, I had this, I'll call it a download, or during a

meditation, where I heard a voice very clearly saying to me,

I'm gonna go there, I'm gonna give you all the tools, I'm

going to make sure you have everything you need to show them

the tools, and then get out of the way. Eventually, everybody

will find their way to God, I hope and their version of the of

God, I feel like my job is to say there isn't a right or wrong

way to get there. You could try this, you could go to church,

you could go to synagogue, whatever feels right for you,

wherever you feel most comfortable in relationship with

God, go there. These are the things that I feel good sharing

with you do, I think that I'm going to hand you a piece of

Rose Quartz, and you're going to fall madly in love with

yourself. No. But I pray that when you hold that piece of Rose

Quartz, you remember what it means. And when you remember

that it's about unconditional love. It triggers you to start

thinking that way about yourself. So I feel like a lot

of it is I call them for better for lack of a better word like

holy props, because they really are. You know, I'm known for

these Mojo bags and intention candles that I create. But I'm

not doing anything other than putting things together that are

in direct spiritual and energetic alignment with

whatever your intention is for yourself. So I just create a

space for it. And then I hope to open a dialogue about it. What

you do is that when you leave, that's completely up to you. And

that's between you and God. I don't believe there's a right or

wrong way of taking that journey. I believe the most

important thing is that you say yes to the journey. Because that

to me is like there's nothing better.

Oh, I think anyone's stepping into the place

and you call them the Mojo bag. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. It's an

invitation. It's I can see though, that when people come

in, they're ready. They're ready to go. They're ready for the

conversation there. People are hungry were we talked about

briefly yesterday that most of us have been conditioned to be

brought up in the doing doing doing and we're all

deprogramming from that, I believe COVID. You know, COVID

handed us that lesson. And some of us may have gone back. And

even if we went back to the previous doing, we're still

being called to deprogram that and I think we know it.

So awareness. Absolutely. And thank God for

that. I mean, truly, I mean, I COVID was horrible. And so much

of what happened during that time was just catastrophic on a

million different levels. But it shattered a sort of sacred

vessel and scattered light everywhere again, and we came

back to our families, we came back to a place of quiet, we

came back to a place of understanding what it feels like

when we cannot be with community. So we figured out

ways to create community, even if we weren't sharing physical

space together. So yeah, it was awful on a million levels. But

then there was the, it's the beginning of something. And

sometimes the pendulum has to go to the worst place so that it

can swing back again. That's that duality. One of the things

that I love more than anything is the new moon. Because going

back to Biblical times, way back in the Old Testament, it was

essentially given as a god gave it as a New Moon is like a gift

for women. It's a moment for you to press pause on everything,

and be in this place of faith, that even though we can't see

the moon, it's there. And it's this opportunity to come

together and be still for a moment. Check in on our lives on

one another on what the energy of the season is on what the the

energy of the calendar day feels like. And try to get ourselves

in soul alignment with that. And I feel like that's the that's

the pendulum swinging back to that place of awareness. Because

we know we know that we can't keep running around like maniacs

at some point. We're all going to crash. Yeah. And so if it's

just one day and minds that you decide, today's the day I'm

going to be quiet. That starts something that's a seed for

something. And it's a pretty amazing place to begin.

And when we're recording this today, are we on

the eve of a new moon? Full moon, full moon, full moon.

Yeah,

we're like tonight into tomorrow night is the full moon.

And so this is the other part of this. So if the New Moon is all

about faith, and setting an intention for what we would like

to draw forward for the next 30 days, whatever your timeframe

is, the beauty of the full moon is full illumination, we get to

check in that light, that beautiful divine energy of the

moon, lights up all the corners where the shadows live. And we

get to ask ourselves, okay, how am I doing? As far as this

intention? I said, How do I feel about this? Do I need to tweak

anything, Are things going well, is there something that is in

the way that I can release in order to hold space for this new

intention that I've created for myself, so most of the time,

when we do workshops on the full moon at the cottage, I don't

know, if we did this, when I was with you, where we write down

what we would like to release, we then set it on fire and allow

it to go up into the smoke. But I don't like anything to be left

open ended. So we then take those ashes, and we mix them

with roses, and lavender and salt, and all sorts of energetic

organics. And now wildflowers, and we sprinkle them with the

idea that something that was a burden yesterday now becomes a

blessing. And it's sort of a seed now, we alchemize something

that felt negative, and we make it into something potentially

really positive. And now we have this new space, where something

else good can move in with intention,

you beautiful ritual I, I can and to be able

to have access to that through nature, you know, once monthly

for each of those events, it's, it's, it's right there for us. I

really love and appreciate sort of, as we're wrapping up here,

just the way that you approach life. And really, when you talk

about the shadow, because I was thinking of you and holding even

the light in the dark, you know, even when you talked about

COVID, and you said that, it was really hard times it's, I love

that you can name that and not have to bypass the reality of

what that was or how that affected people's lives deeply,

not always for the better. And in to be able to name it and

just be with it. And just, it kind of it's got an ease about

it. And a real grounding for sure. But just an honoring of I

think what I'm tapping into is honoring of each of our

experiences than we and to do that for another is such a big

gift.

It's sacred work. I believe it's 100% sacred work. I

always tell people, you know, kids, when they come to your

room in the middle of the night, because there's a monster under

their beds, there's some dark, shadowy thing that's terrifying

to them. And then we go into their bedroom, and we turn the

light on, and we show them under the bed that there's nothing

there to be afraid of. It's just a shadow. Yeah, I feel like this

is how if we choose to exist in the world, it could be really

bad, it could be a horrible, terrifying thing. But we still

have to look at it, we still have to be able to acknowledge

that it exists. Because if we are not willing to shine a light

on it, it never has an opportunity to heal. Some seeds

grow in the dark, but ultimately, they need light to

thrive. You know, the lotus flower, which is like one of my

sacred symbols, she starts out in the mud. I mean, it's the

very worst conditions for her to begin. And yet she knows if she

keeps climbing, there's light to be found there. But we have to

have the experience we can't do not pass go do not collect 200

at like you have to be able to walk through this because every

part of this process is for you. And if we decide to know that

this whole experience is here for us, we get to look at it

through a different lens. And even if it's scary, something

good potentially could come out of this. And what if that's

true. Now what do we do?

Oh, that's a great it's a great way to just

circle back around and and finish today. You've left the

audience with alimony, beautiful things to think about things to

explore. And I always ask at the end, where can listeners find

you either online or, you know, physically if they venture up

into your area? Or any workshops that you have coming up?

Yeah. So every month, I'm in Union pier Michigan, this

magical little lakeside town in southwest Michigan. And my

cottage is on the property right off Red Arrow highway by the

legendary skips restaurant. You can go online to creative sage

cottage.com and find out all about what's coming Instagram,

Facebook, carrier pigeon, I have a mailing list. It's all like, I

do the best that I can I have to tell you like social media and I

are not, we're not on the greatest terms, because I love

to communicate like this. So but if information about workshops,

and magical mentoring is definitely available there. I

also started sending out actual love letters to people. I kept

hearing that I needed to send mail like real snail mail,

because we don't all exist in this computer land. So I put out

a call like a year ago and just said, Hey, if you're up for

receiving a love letter, I would love your physical mailing

address. And I honestly thought like, maybe 510 people. So I'm

over 300 names on this list right now. And while I sit down,

I mean, people don't even realize I'm actually writing you

these letters. So I pray about it. I asked what name needs to

be like, Who do I need to write the letter to? And then I wait

for the address and the name to light up and sit for a minute

and I write this hand illustrated, handwritten letter.

Oh, my gosh, and then it goes in the mail. So if you're somebody

who craves mail, physical addresses or something I'm still

collecting. And the cool thing is I'm getting letters back now.

So I'm, I feel like I'm in day camp again. But I have like pen

pals. Yeah. So yeah, it's it's a good thing. There's many ways

for us to come together. But always here at the cottage. I've

open hours on Fridays, and Saturdays, and then the new moon

every month, it fills up very quickly, because I tried to keep

it very intimate. But hopefully it will be expanding at some

point. So I would love to hear from your people and keep

building this beautiful holy community that I know, has just

beautiful and tremendous and sacred work to do and whatever I

can do to support that. I'm here for all of it. So yeah, thank

you. Good thing. Thank you.

Yes. Okay, Heather. So thank you to the

listeners for being here today. And I know that you just are

walking away with so much. So I'll see you next time. Thank

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