Topic 1: Witnessing Genocide in Gaza
We check in with each other and the audience in terms of the emotional toll of watching ethnic cleansing happening in real time, and reaffirm the need to keeping talking about Palestine. Reports from a WHO visit to Al-Shifa Hospital, verification of certain reports and political responses globally are all part of the discussion.
Topic 2: Ontario Paying for Private Surgery Profits
Doug Ford's government has confirmed reports that they are paying private (for profit) clinics in the Province premium rates to perform public surgeries. Surgeries that Ontario hospitals have the ability to perform are being sourced out to units run by giant corporations who are getting paid more than twice the amount.
We talk about the implications to the healthcare system, the hypocrisy of a private outsourcing costing twice the amount and the many ways in which the Ford government will try to spin this in their favour.
CORRECTION: The Www.ontariohealthcoalition.ca has found that many clinics are charging patients above and beyond the OHIP fees.
Topic 3: Exploiting Post-Secondary Students
Reports of students at Humber College suffering from malnutrition, with some fainting, triggers a discussion on the vulnerable economic position students in Canada find themselves in. The pressures put on them and the many ways in which these educational institutions facilitate their exploitation.
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There is so much out there to get mad about. Social injustices, class warfare, continued
Speaker:colonization, the act of destruction of our planet by those focused on prophets and not
Speaker:people. We can find it overwhelming at times. The good news is there are equally as many,
Speaker:if not more, stories of people coming together and rising up against the forces at play. So
Speaker:the creators of Blueprints of Disruption have added a new weekly segment, Ravel Rants, where
Speaker:we will unpack the stories that have us most riled up, share calls to action, and most importantly,
Speaker:celebrate resistance. Welcome to another Ravel Rant. We have a few items that we need to talk
Speaker:about today. Of course, our minds are still with Palestine and there is a lot of updates
Speaker:to unpack there. We're also going to talk about the privatization of healthcare, mostly in
Speaker:Ontario, but trending right across Canada. And then we're going to talk about the vulnerability
Speaker:of students, the cost of living that affects them, the high tuition rates, unpaid internships.
Speaker:There's a lot there that really lends to the rates of poverty that students experience,
Speaker:and Santiago has a few stories to share with us there. Before we get into some important
Speaker:updates in terms of the siege on Gaza, we were trying to decide what we were going to talk
Speaker:about and it's hard. It's hard for me to keep pace with all of that's happening, all of the
Speaker:updates coming in from Gaza and surrounding that issue, and then to try to keep on top
Speaker:of the other politics in our life. and our lives. And I think like I've seen a lot of posts recently
Speaker:that let me know that I'm not the only one feeling exhausted. Right, and that's not to center
Speaker:myself because I can only imagine what it's like to also be Palestinian in these times
Speaker:and consistently waiting for updates from back home and seeing the erasure of your people.
Speaker:And organizing through that and continuing to resist through that is taking a toll I don't
Speaker:think many of us have experienced before. You texted me last night something along the lines
Speaker:of like, I don't know how we're staying sane. And my response was, I'm not. Yeah, when I
Speaker:said that I was more maybe trying to convince myself that I was still holding on to my sanity.
Speaker:But it's been difficult. You know, these things come in waves and I think like, reach definitely
Speaker:a point of just like sheer exhaustion from the toll of everything that's happening. Not just,
Speaker:I mean, everything that's happening in Palestine, everything that's happening in Canada too,
Speaker:the global issues in general. I made the mistake of, well. not a mistake because it's helpful,
Speaker:but I started like reading about genocide. And I started reading about genocides around the
Speaker:world in the third course of history. I was shocked at the sheer number of genocides that
Speaker:occurred in the 20th century, even the 21st century that we know nothing about. It was
Speaker:difficult. read about that and but at the same time I think that so I mean yeah not holding
Speaker:on to sanity in a way I think is also the same thing to do because I think the state of things
Speaker:are such as at such a level where if you're not feeling that I would almost like I would
Speaker:almost be concerned if I was doing perfectly fine right now. with how things are? I think
Speaker:like the people that are doing fine have in a way switched off their humanity to a degree.
Speaker:I think we started to see it with the pandemic and people's just detachment from. responsibility
Speaker:of keeping each other safe and only worrying about yourself and it became like a triage
Speaker:where that's all you could do right you're in the state of survival trauma and you kind of
Speaker:carp compartmentalize that and shut everything else out that you feel like you can't control
Speaker:And it's so hard, like I feel it, but when I hear you say like, I'm so exhausted, that makes
Speaker:me so frustrated too, because it's like the time right now that people need to be as fierce
Speaker:and resistant as possible. And I really, really worry about the organizers, you know, within
Speaker:the Palestinian youth movement especially and other folks that we see that are doing consistent
Speaker:actions daily. Like that's a lot. this has been a lot and then you pair that with the sheer
Speaker:horror of having to bear witness to what's happening in Gaza and balancing that, you know, do I
Speaker:not look because it, you know, you can't unsee those images. They create feelings in you that
Speaker:may or may not be useful. But then do you look away? you look away and not bear witness and
Speaker:then this genocide ends up like the other ones that you're talking about where we don't know
Speaker:anything because I feel like it's not, it's only because of the sheer tenacity of the Palestinian
Speaker:diaspora that we've been surrounded by that we first knew the predicament Gaza was in when
Speaker:this all started, but that feels such an affection for the people of Gaza, right? Somehow we've
Speaker:made that connection there where we haven't made it in other communities. And so Even though
Speaker:we might have had tidbits of information that come through that let us know that genocide
Speaker:is happening, we don't latch onto it and refuse the narrative to be changed in the way that
Speaker:we have pushed back on Palestine. So I'm thankful for that, but it does draw into question how
Speaker:important that pushback is and bearing witness is, even though it's so hard to do. Like I
Speaker:don't really want to keep up with these updates, but we absolutely need to know what's happening
Speaker:in places like the Al-Shifa hospital, where UN groups with the World Health Organization
Speaker:finally went to witness what they now call a death zone. And just like the statements from
Speaker:the Red Cross that we've seen, these are typically very uncharacteristic statements by the World
Speaker:Health Organization as to what they witnessed in that hospital in terms of mass graves, shrapnel,
Speaker:signs of bombardment and gunfire. And at this point, we have 300 patients that are absolutely
Speaker:immovable. And this used to be one of the prestige hospitals in Gaza. It had incredible infrastructure.
Speaker:in terms of healthcare capacity and it's essentially just an empty building, half destroyed, with
Speaker:25 staff left in it. So now you're down to one healthcare facility in the south of Gaza where
Speaker:they've told people to evacuate from there now. So the Hamas headquarters that they were expecting
Speaker:to find at Al-Shifa Hospital, did you see the photos Santiago? What photos? Well, I… I think
Speaker:the caption was countless arms and you could quite count them. There was about 14 automatic
Speaker:weapons, the clips that go with them. My terminology for weaponry is awful. So there's not even
Speaker:as many clips as there are weapons. So there was also WD-40 laid out on the table. They
Speaker:tried as hard as possible to make this look like some sort of control center. So now apparently
Speaker:that headquarters... didn't materialize. And so now they say it's actually underneath another
Speaker:hospital. I can't even, it's like the onion writes this stuff. So it's at, under a hospital
Speaker:in the south of Gaza now, but they're trying to tell us after 75 fucking years of occupation,
Speaker:the resources that their intelligence services have and that the IDF has, they don't know
Speaker:exactly. exactly where Hamas is within Palestine. I find this very hard to believe considering
Speaker:what the capacity and the aid that they get from the US special forces is, not to mention
Speaker:their own special forces. Did you see the BBCs? They did a segment talking about
Speaker:exactly this, right? And essentially they were saying, you know, like that The BBC sent in
Speaker:their own teams and they were starting to, like they were essentially saying, like all of these
Speaker:claims made by Israel were not able to verify. Like they were starting to have some pushback
Speaker:from the BBC about the validity of the claims being made. And you know, you mentioned, you
Speaker:know, Israeli intelligence. I mean, do people have any idea what the Mossad is? You know,
Speaker:like, we're talking about what is considered to be one of the most sophisticated intelligence
Speaker:agencies in the world. That they sell their technology to other parts of the world. They
Speaker:collaborate with other world intelligence agencies. Like, supposedly they're the best of the best,
Speaker:right? And you're telling me that they don't know? They're getting this wrong? I mean, what
Speaker:happened to that video they released of- all the tunnels and everything. Like, are people
Speaker:under the impression that if that wasn't it, like if that was there, it would be everywhere.
Speaker:We would be seeing it everywhere. It would be plastered all over social media. I have no
Speaker:doubt that Hamas has tunnels and that Palestinian resistance movements utilize tunnels. They
Speaker:have a finite amount of space in Gaza and it's the most densely populated area around. So...
Speaker:They're going to use any means necessary to create more space. And we know even the Israeli
Speaker:army helped build underground capacity underneath that hospital. So of course they know that
Speaker:there's something there. If Israel is flattening neighborhoods, the most logical thing would
Speaker:be to go underground. You know, it's not exactly... That's a great point. They fucking demonize
Speaker:these tunnels that they talk about, but yet every Israeli household has to have a bomb
Speaker:shelter. Now, do you think all of a sudden Gazans are going to be able to afford bomb shelters
Speaker:or do they just don't fucking deserve them? No, right. And so it's like tunnels, real nefarious
Speaker:kind of undertones, yet a safe room in every Israeli house is perfectly normal. It's it's
Speaker:the deep. There's some imagery here, you know, like there's some symbolism to the way that
Speaker:this portray, you know, like there's so many. It comes back to dehumanization, right? Like
Speaker:this, this caricature of like, you know, the rats. or the mole or like underground creatures,
Speaker:you know? Like you feel that in how they're depicting this, you know? Like those who seek
Speaker:shelter underground are not human. That's kind of in the subtext of this. I think like some
Speaker:people will wonder why though, like why then bomb hospitals, right? Why would a state do
Speaker:that? Like it's such an evil thing to do. And I think another scene that we witnessed this
Speaker:week helps tell that story, even though we've already talked about how this is essentially
Speaker:just a land grab, it's an annexation. We've seen them raise flags over top of these destroyed
Speaker:hospitals. They've been using bulldozers to carve the star of David in a park that used
Speaker:to be for children. This is colonialism happening in front of our eyes. But when you see them
Speaker:capture a government building. and then days later, demolish it. It becomes clear that they
Speaker:are trying to make Gaza unlivable. So even if they were forced to allow people to return,
Speaker:which we know they won't, they've never gone back to the borders after the wars. It's always
Speaker:been land grabs. But even if they did, there would be no ability to live there. The health
Speaker:infrastructure has been destroyed. The water infrastructure has been destroyed. the government
Speaker:infrastructure has been destroyed and they've delegitimized in the eyes of the world Hamas,
Speaker:who although the election has not been for a very long time, were the only political representation
Speaker:in town. And so by destroying all of this, they are essentially, that is what makes it genocide
Speaker:because people will not be able to go back and live here. They will be dispersed throughout
Speaker:other Arab communities. or taken within the refugee programs of European cities and made
Speaker:to live in poverty there. Let's talk about that word for a second, right? Genocide. Because
Speaker:people don't know what that is. And I found it interesting because I saw there was a debate,
Speaker:I've been watching entirely too much Piers Morgan. It's kind of almost like an anthropological
Speaker:experiment at this point, but the stuff you see, too much, I've been watching too much
Speaker:of it. just to kind of get a feel for like the narratives, right? And I saw there's this one
Speaker:American rabbi who kind of like was asking this guy, he was debating, I forget if he was Palestinian,
Speaker:I know he was Muslim, but like, oh, like you use the word genocide, do you even know what
Speaker:that means, right? Like, do you know what the term is? And he didn't go on, he did not go
Speaker:on to explain it, but I was curious, cause like, I mean, I know what genocide is, but I wanted
Speaker:to see like, you know, like the actual. definition of genocide, remind myself what it is, right?
Speaker:And, you know, the United Nations Geneva Convention defines genocide very clearly as any of five
Speaker:acts committed with the intent to destroy in whole or in part a national, ethical, racial
Speaker:or religious group. These five acts were killing the members of the group, causing them serious
Speaker:bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing birth,
Speaker:and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Yeah, all five of those are happening,
Speaker:to different extents, all five of those. And you can, like, these are documented things,
Speaker:you know? There are, how many children are detained without charge in the West Bank? We know that
Speaker:that's happening. Not to mention seven, up to 70% of the victims of Israel, sorry, up to
Speaker:70% of Palestinians killed. since October 7th have been women and children. So if you. Remove
Speaker:the fact that you have exiled people from where they live. That is a criteria, but you are
Speaker:wiping out their women and children and the means for them to have children safely. 50,000
Speaker:women at the beginning of this in Gaza were pregnant. So there's been, it's about 180 to
Speaker:100 women a day having to give birth in these conditions. And the... They are not surviving.
Speaker:The maternal health rate there was already abominable. And it's worse. It's you can only imagine what
Speaker:it is now. There's a really one thing people are not talking about enough. If there's a
Speaker:really gross culture, that's a part of, you know, Zionism that around, you know, I don't
Speaker:even know how to describe this at this point, but it's, it's around demographic makeup. and
Speaker:births and children that is really fucking icky. Like, not like they're really obsessed with
Speaker:this. And I'm sitting here going, are you going to talk about? Yes. Yes, I am going to talk
Speaker:about how, you know, birthright. And people need to look this up because there is a lot
Speaker:around this is kind of a sex cult. And a lot of people don't know that. But a lot of birthright
Speaker:is designed to create Jewish babies is essentially what it is. And that's not that's not hearsay.
Speaker:This is this is documented. That's not even what I thought you were going to talk about.
Speaker:Oh, what do you think I was going to talk about? Is it the sterilization of non white Jews?
Speaker:No, this just keeps getting worse. It's about the fact that Israel actually tweeted out a
Speaker:story Yeah About an Israeli woman who needed to retrieve the sperm of her husband who had
Speaker:been killed in the line of apartheid duty and That this was not just a one-off occurrence
Speaker:that There are reports, there is a unit within the Israeli army that does try to do this.
Speaker:And so I know I kind of interrupted your talk, but I feel like it fits along the same thing.
Speaker:Like the most important thing is, is populating that area with Jewish folks. And we've seen
Speaker:people that hadn't fully converted not being buried in the same cemeteries and stuff. And
Speaker:so it's like... People need to understand how ethnically based this state of government is.
Speaker:I don't think that's anything that we're used to that is so explicit. You know, like the
Speaker:Canadian government does this, but not just so explicitly. No, there's levels here happening.
Speaker:There are layers at work here. Like there are several, like the sterilization. And none of
Speaker:this was even in the notes. No. Like, it's not just Jewish babies, they want white Jewish
Speaker:babies, right? Like we've heard about how, I forget the different terms for different Jewish
Speaker:people. I know Ashkenazi, but I forget the other ones. But there was the Ethiopian Jews who
Speaker:were being sterilized. upon immigrating to Israel because they didn't want them reproducing.
Speaker:That that's one thing, you know. Yeah, the birthright thing is really fucking unhinged. And like,
Speaker:I don't want to also get into that like moral equivalency test where it's like, look how
Speaker:they live, it's immoral or anything like that, because that's not. It's more of a philosophical
Speaker:thing here. Like I'm like I'm all for a good time But what we're talking about here is racial
Speaker:supremacy, you know, like we're talking about like really I'm almost at a loss of words for
Speaker:how to describe this because I'm not used to having to talk about this But this is racism
Speaker:is like it and it's a certain type of racism. That's like wow You're really going for it,
Speaker:you know like This is part of, like, when we talk about genocide, this has, this is a part
Speaker:of it, because they're trying to make it so that this land is a particular ethnicity. And
Speaker:I think what's most ironic is the fact that Netanyahu has been reported to be essentially
Speaker:an atheist. And like many other struggles in history where they're framed in religious ways,
Speaker:that Zionism has just been co-opted. It's an ideology that has been utilized by imperialists
Speaker:to a certain end. And though there are populations within that are inherently racist and talk
Speaker:about racial superiority, Netanyahu likely doesn't even give a shit that it's all about imperialist
Speaker:gains. It's about taking land, having power. being a so-called war hero and that the malicious
Speaker:ends that he has in the end have nothing to do with all of that. That's how they've created
Speaker:that workforce around them and help prop up and legitimize the type of government that
Speaker:they have because the Zionist ideology is permeated through that. That's the only way that you
Speaker:could even... convince people, you know, hunger game style, the people in the capital surely
Speaker:know how the other, what do you call them, districts live. They just don't see them as, as human.
Speaker:They're less than. And this is important to maintain that or else surely they would not
Speaker:allow for in the same way, hopefully we would not allow something like Gaza to exist, even
Speaker:though we have First Nations reserves. But at some point you have to maintain that. facade,
Speaker:right? So your populace doesn't fight back or demand an end to that. And so he uses that
Speaker:ideology to his gain and the powerful use that to their gain, which is in the end US based
Speaker:interests, right? Oil, gas, and proximity to other nation states that they need to have
Speaker:military bases there. But I think You know, a couple of the other things that we heard
Speaker:this week tell us that the tide is turning a little bit. You talked about the BBC actually
Speaker:fact checking, which is that is new in terms of the October 7th length of time. I think
Speaker:we're at day 44. And at the beginning, they were just reiterating everything Israel said
Speaker:without check, without even critique. That's changing. Also the US is starting to shift
Speaker:their position a little bit. Now we still have Biden saying ceasefire. In fact, there's footage
Speaker:of him saying there's no way that's going to happen. However, his focus is on what's happening
Speaker:on the West Bank, in the West Bank, in terms of settlers. And he's gone as far as to call
Speaker:them extremists, which I would not argue with that label. But it makes it really hard for
Speaker:them to maintain this war on terror, war on Hamas facade. if they're going to continue
Speaker:to harass people in the West Bank and steal that land, as well as Israel destroyed a Fatah
Speaker:administrative building inside a refugee camp in the West Bank. And so I think it's becoming
Speaker:more clear and harder politically for US and Canada to maintain these positions. Surely
Speaker:Trudeau is feeling the heat. We've seen him harassed at dinner, fundraisers canceled. There's
Speaker:comrades out across our… country here that have done a phenomenal job of interrupting business
Speaker:as usual. I feel like I can't keep up with the boosts in terms of people sending me their
Speaker:actions in different cities and finding these politicians everywhere they go. So I think
Speaker:that public pressure teamed with the absolute abhorrent way the Israeli army has tried to
Speaker:manage. their propaganda. It's just been done so badly that nobody can defend them anymore.
Speaker:And I'm really feeling for the folks who a week ago simply reiterated what they were reading
Speaker:on electric Infantara, or electric Intifada, where they reported that the Israeli Apache
Speaker:helicopters that responded to the music festival likely fired on Israeli citizens, causing a
Speaker:lot of death and destruction. If you look at a lot of the kibbutz that have been... attacked
Speaker:by Hamas, they too have blown out walls and appear to be damaged by a lot more than simply
Speaker:just fire and small arms. So it's becoming more clear to the world that we're not getting the
Speaker:full story out of Israel, which is typical of any army at war, but there are a lot of people
Speaker:removed from their positions and really demonized in the media for saying this a week ago, simply
Speaker:because an Arab outlet reported it. media sources are now repeating these claims and verifying
Speaker:them. And so it just goes to show that this bias that exists in everything that we've talked
Speaker:about exists in who we listen to here in Canada even. Right? Hopefully those people are feeling
Speaker:a little bit more vindicated as well as other people are starting to open their eyes that
Speaker:it's quite astonishing that after 44 days, we don't know exactly what happened on October
Speaker:7th. And I feel like that would help in most situations and in terror attacks across the
Speaker:world. We are given the most, you've seen it, right? You've seen the diagrams. They'll show
Speaker:the diagrams of where people entered. horrible details that were provided with but this is
Speaker:like this fog of war and it just you know it's starting to become a little too thick and folks
Speaker:are starting to notice. So side note uh we interrupt uh the broadcast to announce that I might have
Speaker:COVID. I'm starting to feel a tickle in the back of my throat as I'm recording this so
Speaker:as we're doing this I'm gonna do a COVID test because I have them in front of me and I kind
Speaker:of want to know but um Uh, yeah, no, um, I'm not sure when we'll have a full picture of
Speaker:what happened on October the 7th. For me, my thing is when I look at this, and it's very
Speaker:similar to, you know, when we have conversations about 9-11 and other similarly polarizing events
Speaker:where it's like, you know, to a certain extent, That's not what's important is what happened.
Speaker:And I say that like, you know, either way, whether or not it was, you know, Hamas carried all
Speaker:of them and they, and they committed multiple war crimes and, you know, all of that, or Israel
Speaker:killed half the people with Apache helicopters. For me, what's important is what happens after.
Speaker:Right? Because...
Speaker:And before. Yeah. But what I see after it's to say that you can't bring them back. You
Speaker:know? You can't. And how we choose to respond speaks to our humanity. Right? And so, same
Speaker:thing with 9-11. You know, people wanted revenge. And then Afghanistan was invaded for... for
Speaker:20 years for nothing. There was nothing, barely anything came out of that, right? There was
Speaker:the war in Iraq, which had nothing to do with it, but the sentiments around 9-11 were used
Speaker:to justify the war in Iraq, and the region has not recovered. Was that like, does horrible,
Speaker:like do we live in an eye for an eye society? Or do we try and rise above and try and say,
Speaker:something horrible happened here. How do we stop this from happening again? And I think
Speaker:the most foolish thing is that there's so many people out there who believe that something
Speaker:like Hamas, oh, we have to get rid of Hamas. Oh, we have to do it with weapons. That's not
Speaker:how that works, idiot.
Speaker:Like Hamas, there's people in Hamas, yes. And you can go and kill all of them. But really
Speaker:what it is an idea, right? And you can get rid of Hamas and another organization will take
Speaker:its place because along the way, how many orphans are you creating? How many people are you radicalizing
Speaker:with the violence who are then going to grow up and take arms, right? Because I gotta be
Speaker:honest, if looking around at my life, if all of my, if my family was killed, if all of my
Speaker:friends were killed and I was still alive, can I say that for certain that I'm not gonna rise
Speaker:up in arms? No, I can't say that. And I don't think anybody can say that. Right? Cycles of
Speaker:violence, we've seen it everywhere in different examples, in different forms. But cycles of
Speaker:violence is what happens when you meet violence with more violence. The idea that Hamas is
Speaker:something that can be defeated with violence is foolish. Just like, you know, oh, we got
Speaker:to defeat Al-Qaeda with violence. Well, and then they created ISIS and then he would like
Speaker:to feed ISIS. And I mean, has anything changed? No. And I think like, I agree with you 100
Speaker:percent on how we react is important and the context in which everything happened is important.
Speaker:But also uncovering exactly what happened on October 7th does have value to me for a few
Speaker:reasons. One, part of what Hamas did and why they did it, if we're following the patterns
Speaker:of other resistance movements, was to expose Israel for what it is. And that may sound so
Speaker:heinous because in the end it's acknowledging that they knew what the repercussions would
Speaker:be. But also it's important to show that illegitimate state for its callousness to civilian life.
Speaker:I think the world needs to see this. And that's part of the work of the resistance is to show
Speaker:the world. what Israel is really about, what they have been doing for the last 75 years,
Speaker:so that it will stop. So it's not so much about lessening the crimes you could possibly charge
Speaker:Hamas operatives, leaders with, but to demonstrate just how this state responds and their callousness
Speaker:even towards their own civilians is demonstrated by like... the fact that they don't care that
Speaker:they might be bombing hostages as they do that, but also how they responded on October 7th.
Speaker:That indeed it was always about just instigating this, which feels like a final siege of Gaza.
Speaker:Before we go on to our other topics, though, I want to go back to the point of retaining
Speaker:one's humanity. And I read a piece this week and I've lost track of where it is. It was
Speaker:talking about a protester for the Vietnam War who held a nightly candlelight vigil outside
Speaker:the White House for an extended period of time, mostly by themselves, and when interviewed
Speaker:and asked about the effectiveness of a one-person protest, one candle. in the night. Their response
Speaker:wasn't that, yes, I think, you know, people will see me and be inspired and do the same,
Speaker:or a politician will feel so bad that they will change their mind. They were doing it to retain
Speaker:their own humanity. They were doing it so that the times around them wouldn't change them,
Speaker:that they would not become complacent in the violence that they were seeing. that they would
Speaker:resist in whatever form or capacity that they had in that moment. And that would, that was
Speaker:all that they could do to just keep their humanity. You know, I imagine they use that time to feel
Speaker:and reflect and not just. shut it away and forget about it because it hurts too much. Right,
Speaker:so that drew inspiration like even for small acts of resistance, how sometimes it might
Speaker:just be to preserve your own sanity, your own sense of fight and responsibility. And sometimes
Speaker:if that's all you can do, that's what you gotta do. I remember I heard about the same thing
Speaker:and it definitely spoke to me. And, you know, that feeling of standing alone, I can relate
Speaker:to that at times because it can feel like that sometimes, even when we're not alone, it can
Speaker:feel like that in our day to day as we, when we're not, you know, protesting, when we're
Speaker:not. online but you know just like existing school work whatever it is and I'm and I'm
Speaker:thinking about these things and it feels like how are we expected to just act like everything's
Speaker:normal when it's not and trying to remember you know our humanity through it all I've been
Speaker:thinking about that a lot. and I We're in a world that's designed to make us forget that,
Speaker:you know. It becomes very difficult though, too, right? It becomes a lot of burdens to
Speaker:carry at once and there is a huge emotional, even physical toll on bearing witness and carrying
Speaker:other people's stories and fighting back constantly. So to anyone out there that's just feeling
Speaker:extra irritable, super sad. unable to sleep very well. I'm sorry, but that is a sign that
Speaker:you are still human and you're definitely not alone feeling that way. You know what I envy
Speaker:sometimes? I look at my cat and I just think he doesn't have any concept of geopolitical
Speaker:conflict or nation-state or capitalism. It's just lounging, chilling. I envy it sometimes,
Speaker:but then it's like, but at the same time, like, at the same time, there's a fight to be had.
Speaker:And I I'd rather be here fighting it than not. It seems hard to do, but we're going to refocus
Speaker:back to Ontario politics, Canadian politics here. There are still things that are happening
Speaker:that will also make a huge impact on us. And surely there are things that politicians are
Speaker:doing right now that we can't let them get away with. So we're going to touch base. on a couple
Speaker:of things this week. First off, I'm hoping a lot of you have heard the CBC breaking and
Speaker:other folks have been talking about a certain clinic, Don Mills Surgical Unit here in Ontario,
Speaker:where they are being, they provide surgery. It's a privately run clinic, for-profit clinic
Speaker:that provides OHIP users. with surgeries. So this is not somewhere where you're expected
Speaker:to pull out your debit card. So Doug Ford can still get away with saying, you're not paying
Speaker:with your credit card. However, the Ontario government is paying them over twice the rates
Speaker:that they're paying hospitals to do the exact same service. Now, they're not hiding this.
Speaker:When you ask them about it, they acknowledge it. They'll even tell you they're doing everything
Speaker:they can to address waitlist times. They call them premiums. They're paying these folks premiums
Speaker:to incentivize the clinics to perform surgeries like cataract surgeries, hip and knee replacements,
Speaker:things that have a long waitlist here in Ontario because of underfunding. Now just so folks
Speaker:know, our hospitals don't lack the infrastructure or room. to perform these surgeries, they simply
Speaker:don't have the staff. We know about the nursing shortage and the doctor shortage, and we know
Speaker:that is directly tied to private clinics popping up as well, is the fact that we don't treat
Speaker:our nurses well, we don't pay them enough money, and we make their jobs as hard as possible
Speaker:because of underfunding in the system. And so they're walking away from the job at record
Speaker:rates or going to more... private enterprises, like staffing agencies, where they'll get paid
Speaker:even more to do the same job as a visiting nurse, as a traveling nurse. These incentives though,
Speaker:what they're doing is by paying for twice the rate for these surgeries, is they're paying
Speaker:for these clinics to one, make a enviable profit so that they can even want to be in this kind
Speaker:of business, right? Cause private companies want to make as much money as possible. If
Speaker:it's not profitable, they won't do it. There's no doubting that. But again, that's why we
Speaker:have our healthcare under the private structure. They're also paying for these folks to actually,
Speaker:they're upstart costs. So if you didn't perform cataract surgeries before, there's room, there's
Speaker:equipment. So they gave them a quarter of a million dollars just to this clinic alone for
Speaker:that kind of stuff that a hospital already has, that we've already paid for out of public funds.
Speaker:And this... This fee that we're talking about doesn't even include what the surgeon actually
Speaker:gets paid because that surgeon gets to bill OHIP as well at the same rate. But the clinic
Speaker:that they're working for is making twice the money. We have to remember our hospitals are
Speaker:already run by private companies. So when we've created now a more profitable model, we are
Speaker:going to start to see a real shift. not that we haven't seen that shift before, but it is
Speaker:going to be more pronounced now with the emergence of more and more private clinics in Ontario.
Speaker:This is something Doug Ford promised to do back in January where he had this three-step plan
Speaker:on how to basically open up. He says it's to reduce wait times again, but it's essentially
Speaker:to just make it more profitable and easier for these clinics to show up. I wish folks looked
Speaker:at Healthcare providers, private healthcare providers in the same way they looked at developers
Speaker:because then they'd really see the almost criminal, the almost criminal element, the real corrupt
Speaker:element in all of this. Because I don't know if anyone remembers a certain MPP, Christine
Speaker:Elliott, Newmarket Aurora, she's just south of me so we've tussled. I served her with a
Speaker:petition or two. But I... digress, she was the minister of health for quite some time, the
Speaker:worst times, you know, before most recent times, it just keeps getting worse. But Christine
Speaker:Elliott has just recently registered to lobby the Ford government on behalf of the parent
Speaker:company of this Don Mills surgical unit. So like this isn't their only surgical unit. This
Speaker:is one of the biggest. the biggest companies in terms of private clinics in Canada. And
Speaker:now, yes, the former health minister of Ontario is getting paid top dollar by them to lobby
Speaker:her old friends in forward nation to allow them to open more clinics. And it's fucking working.
Speaker:I know she just registered a week ago, but don't tell me you haven't been talking to them, Christine.
Speaker:Don't even try that. We know that obviously they've been working really hard because that
Speaker:clinic, they had steady payments at $1.32 million for a few years leading up to 2020. And after
Speaker:that, they are now talking like $5.27 million a year from our provincial government. And
Speaker:so another really maddening thing about this, I don't think our audience needs much help
Speaker:realizing how bad this is. I mean, it's just on face value. It's awful. down the road, these
Speaker:assholes are going to be able to say that they spend more on healthcare now. Right? They're
Speaker:going to be able to say, oh no, last year we spent 40 billion. Now we spent 60 billion.
Speaker:And the reality is all of that extra money didn't give you one extra service. It just gave extra
Speaker:profit to private clinics and set the pattern to normalize the absolute destruction of the
Speaker:public healthcare system. And so he's done similar things like this in the past with education
Speaker:funding, you know, where they wrapped up like child services with education in the budget.
Speaker:So they are able to say that they spent more on education, but it was just a fudging of
Speaker:numbers. This is even worse. This isn't even another service that's been brought in under
Speaker:it's you're actually going to get less service. Because if we look at the patterns that have
Speaker:been set by BC, yes, the BC NDP and Alberta to provinces that heavily depend on the use
Speaker:of private clinics to deliver public health care. Imaging is one of them. We've talked
Speaker:about that on the show. It actually increases the wait lists because doctors and nurses will
Speaker:continue to move over to these higher paying clinics where they're able to get not just
Speaker:the fee from OHIP, but they get a cut of the profits. Ford even says himself, this is just
Speaker:so class act because he has just been warring with the nurses since he took off this. I imagine...
Speaker:wait. So now he's trying to pretend like this is a good spot for nurses to earn money in
Speaker:their spare time. They can earn a few extra bucks at a private clinic for all that spare
Speaker:time that they have from being a nurse. So... Because they're not overworked enough, right?
Speaker:No, no, apparently not. So obviously time will tell how this will impact... Ontario's healthcare,
Speaker:but surely folks can see the writing on the wall. And then you get to Danielle Smith in
Speaker:Alberta and she's dismantling, that's not hyperbole, that's not just trying to describe what she's
Speaker:doing. This is how she has described what she's doing. She's dismantling what the service provider
Speaker:for public health and they're going to restructure. I can only imagine what that's going to look
Speaker:like. So we'll have to just stay tuned on that. And sorry, it wouldn't be a story if we weren't
Speaker:able to point out the hypocrisies of capitalism here because quite often the narrative that's
Speaker:used to bring in public sector to do private work, oh sorry, the narrative used to bring
Speaker:in private companies to do public services, to provide public services is that they do
Speaker:it more efficiently, more cost effectively. Now you surely can't make this argument if
Speaker:you're forced to pay them double. what you pay the public sector. So that just lays that argument
Speaker:bare that the private sector is not what it's cut out to be. No, no, it's not. And it's really
Speaker:exposing again. And I was kind of reminded of this when I was thinking about the state of
Speaker:our essential goods and services about how. how dominated it is by private industry right
Speaker:now and how completely unfunctional, I don't even know, I don't have an adjective for this.
Speaker:Just what a fucking mess all of our essential goods and services are right now. And it's
Speaker:like, you know, it's, a few years ago, you know, people would find ways to still kind of, you
Speaker:know. believe in some sort of Canadian dream or something, but everyone at this point is
Speaker:feeling it in every single way, right? Students especially. Yeah, because we can't catch a
Speaker:fucking break, you know? Like our healthcare system, something that we were so proud of
Speaker:is being eroded in front of our very eyes and their aim is to make it like the US where what's
Speaker:the number one cause of bankruptcy? You know? medical debt, right? Where people, I remember
Speaker:I saw this video the other day where like a bicyclist, a cyclist, it fell off their bicycle
Speaker:in the middle of the road and the ambulance was right there and it picked them up and all
Speaker:the comments were like, oh, well, that's one way to go broke. And all the Europeans in the
Speaker:comment were so confused. They're like, what are you talking about? Ambulances are free.
Speaker:and it was like a real cultural contrast. They're not even free in Ontario. You'll be billed
Speaker:for an ambulance ride here in Ontario. Yeah, and that's the thing, right? So, okay, healthcare,
Speaker:disaster. Our education system falling apart, and I'll get into that. We pay the highest
Speaker:prices for internet. We pay the highest prices for telephones. Our public transit systems
Speaker:are fucking embarrassment. What am I missing here? There's so many levels to this. Food!
Speaker:You know, food. Jesus. Even water. My water bill here where I live, the tax rate for the
Speaker:water rates are going to go up 9% this year for water. There you go. And how many... And
Speaker:like, I mean, we have water in Southern Ontario. But you know who doesn't have water? A lot
Speaker:of people in Northern Ontario. A lot of people across the country, especially a lot of indigenous
Speaker:communities who have been waiting decades to have safe drinking water. So they are water
Speaker:a mess, food. I still remember those episodes we did a couple months ago on agriculture and
Speaker:I have not emotionally recovered from those episodes in the slightest because it's like
Speaker:every single thing to do The production and consumption of our food is a complete disaster.
Speaker:And the new reports coming out about food bank usage are deeply depressing. So it's like,
Speaker:OK, everything is a mess. And everyone wants to point fingers. Oh, it's Chideau's fault.
Speaker:Oh, it's Ford's fault. It's like, it's this is the system. This is all of their fault.
Speaker:It's everyone's fault. Everyone who had a part in this. And they keep doing this. And it comes
Speaker:back to, you know, like, just a reminder. Supply and demand is the biggest fucking scam in the
Speaker:history of economics because it doesn't fucking apply to essential goods and services It doesn't
Speaker:so you want to think the markets gonna fix this like if anyone ever tells you Oh, it's just
Speaker:supply and demand. Tell it like please expose the fuck out of that argument Because it does
Speaker:not work when someone needs something because if you need it if it's essential Then whatever
Speaker:is charged you have to find a way to pay it, right? Yeah, the theory is that if someone
Speaker:prices something too high, the market will not buy it, it will be too expensive, or they won't
Speaker:sell enough of it and force the price down. So Santiago's point is, yeah, we're not going
Speaker:to stop buying water, we can't stop buying food. I forgot housing! Housing, and all of these,
Speaker:like when we're making the notes for our next topic, talking about how vulnerable students
Speaker:are, especially international students who can't work more than 20 hours. how they are expected
Speaker:to keep up with all of these essential goods rising in costs, including the cell phone bill
Speaker:that they definitely have to have as a student. And then on top of that, having to do unpaid
Speaker:internships. Yeah. So I was reminded as a student right now about unpaid internships this week
Speaker:when... a friend of mine was, they got an unpaid internship, which was then, they were informed
Speaker:by the college that it would not count towards their internship hours for some reason. And
Speaker:I was reminded like, oh my goodness, unpaid internships, we just accept that as a part
Speaker:of society. But. It is so deeply exploitative and students right now, with all of the overwhelming
Speaker:issues facing them, how are they expected to labor for free, get nothing out of it because
Speaker:you're not even gonna, and a lot of times you don't even get a job out of it at the end of
Speaker:it, as a way to graduate, which is the thing that we're told that we need to do to survive,
Speaker:you know? We need to get that piece of paper. Yeah, yeah, like we need to get that piece
Speaker:of paper. Oh, sorry, my 15 minute timer just yelled in my ear. Let's check if I have COVID
Speaker:real quick. Looking good, looking good. Okay, I don't definitively not have it, but at least
Speaker:it's not positive, so that's good. Anyways, what was I saying? Yeah, that piece of paper
Speaker:that we're told, we need to survive in society, and it's been increasingly difficult to get
Speaker:it. See, I didn't have to do an internship for my diploma, but you were giving me quite a
Speaker:few examples, and it's 400 hours. That's 10 weeks of unpaid work. Who has the time, let
Speaker:alone the financial capacity? And that's not to say that all internships are unpaid. You
Speaker:can get a paid internship. But I'm going to use journalism as a fun little example, where
Speaker:students are competing with journalists who have been laid off due to
Speaker:layoffs. structural changes right of Canadian media? Yeah, so they're competing with people
Speaker:with industry experience for these internships, so those paid internships, no way they're getting
Speaker:them. No one's getting those paid internships. Those unpaid internships, what happens when
Speaker:you only have ten dollars in your bank account? You know and that's not like I know so many
Speaker:people who are like look at my bank account and it's literally like ten dollars, you know,
Speaker:and I was hearing about students at Humber who were fainting from malnutrition because they
Speaker:can't afford to eat. Right? So we have to... Like being a student right now, I can't...
Speaker:I have to paint this picture because it's so deeply depressing to be a student right now.
Speaker:And I kind of had like a reality check on this because I operate on the assumption that, you
Speaker:know, we're all fucked and that I'm be pretty poor and you know, made my peace with that
Speaker:to a certain extent. But you know, a lot of young people here, you know, they're being
Speaker:told go, go get your degree, get your piece of paper, you'll get a job out of it, and you'll
Speaker:be able to live your life, you know. And what they're facing right now, rent is higher than
Speaker:ever before, right? These food prices are squeezing students.
Speaker:I think it's on pause right now, but who usually have a limitation on the amount of hours that
Speaker:they're allowed to work for a week are barely able to make enough money to keep up with these
Speaker:things, right? I mean, for as long, like it's been decades since, you know, there's been
Speaker:like the image of the ramen eating college student, right? Because students have always been broke.
Speaker:Now ramen packs cost like three, four dollars now. You know? Gotta get the five thousand
Speaker:Walmart. Yeah, but like...
Speaker:That's a major financial decision for me at this point in time. Like I said, Santiago,
Speaker:it's an investment. I have to check if I can afford instant ramen nowadays. You know, so
Speaker:it's a story. And I'm seeing effect students, especially when they get to their last year
Speaker:and they're looking around and they're like, oh, I'm fucked because they're not getting
Speaker:those internships they need. And, you know, I've been in two, I've been in three programs
Speaker:at college now, and I talk to people in a lot of other programs. How many of them, how many
Speaker:people aren't even there by the time you're in your final year? How many people have dropped
Speaker:out? Because it's, it's like 70% in my program. You know, I remember when I was in Humber Music,
Speaker:I was one of eight trumpet players, and when I dropped out, I was the last one left. You
Speaker:know, so, so many people are paying these massive prices, dropping out. So a lot of people don't
Speaker:even get the piece of paper. And then those who make it to the finish line have all of
Speaker:this debt and nothing to show for it, because then they're going into this fucked up world
Speaker:that we're in. We're trying to be entry level right now, trying to like start your career
Speaker:right now. There is no opportunity for anybody. Even if there is, it's like $18 an hour and
Speaker:they want a master's degree. Yeah. And so, and, and that's another scam because I know so many
Speaker:students who like, they go, they're like, oh, no, there's no jobs for me. I gotta go continue
Speaker:my education. One more piece of paper. We'll do it. One more. We'll do it. Graduate certificates.
Speaker:I mean, that, like those one year pro, those are going up. A lot of people are, you know,
Speaker:and, and so it hit me because. When my friend heard that they denied his internship, he broke
Speaker:down. And just the despair in his voice really impacted me. Because it's, it was true, like,
Speaker:it's not fair what he's going through, what so many people are going through. It's not
Speaker:fucking fair. And the school doesn't care. Because we were lied to. Right? Like, our education
Speaker:institutions, although they're, you know, they receive public funds, they are consumer-based
Speaker:models. Right? They don't, they're not education-based models. in that they're not there for your
Speaker:needs and to best prepare you for the world. It's just to make money. It's just to, yeah,
Speaker:students are cash cows, especially these international students. And then we don't even have representation.
Speaker:You don't have a student union. Because at Humber, we, not really, we have something, a night,
Speaker:which it's supposed to be our student union. It's an event. planning committee is how I
Speaker:would describe it. And this is not my words. This is like, every- Sorry, have you seen the
Speaker:movie Trotsky? No. God damn it. Are you serious? That's my answer to 90% of times when someone
Speaker:asks me, have you seen, have you heard? No. I'm serious about this. This is mandatory,
Speaker:rabble rousers watching. You need to watch it because I will make references to this, but
Speaker:basically he finds his student union, right? He thinks he's the reincarnation of Trotsky
Speaker:himself. So he is full blast and he's going into the public school system for the first
Speaker:time and he finds out they have a student union and he is stoked and he goes and he gets there
Speaker:and they're just smoking cigarettes in a broom closet, planning the school dance. And you
Speaker:know, I will give it away. He makes it what it needs to be, but either way, he walks into
Speaker:a student union like you just described. Well, and that's the situation, right? And Humber
Speaker:has like all of these international students who are coming here without a voice, you know,
Speaker:in a very vulnerable position, not knowing people, you know? And so this isn't my opinion that
Speaker:Ignite is a fucking event plan. This is like an open secret. Everyone knows this, you know?
Speaker:Everyone knows that Ignite is- Not all student unions are created equal, but yours sounds
Speaker:particularly bad. Yeah, no, no. Like, I know that, like, other schools actually have student
Speaker:unions. Great for them. We don't, you know? So, there's nowhere to turn to at Humber. There's
Speaker:nowhere to turn to. And this story is so common. It's so fucking common. And I don't know how
Speaker:we're expected to do it, you know? Well, you're not. I've considered, you know. Leaving before
Speaker:I'm almost at the finish line. So at this point, it's like fuck. Okay, I'll finish it whatever
Speaker:but like I Don't know how people are expected to do this and then like the ones who succeed
Speaker:because there'll be like a few You know it's like The the colleges almost are like look
Speaker:at our successful alumni These are our successful alumni. Anybody can be like our successful
Speaker:alumni. You too can be like that. And it's like, okay, no we can't. A recent graduate of the
Speaker:journalism program who I was talking to, he was talking about how, he did two internships,
Speaker:right? To get all the hours that he needed, those 400 hours. He worked his ass off. He
Speaker:built his portfolio. He, he, he was doing everything he needed, you know, and he can't find a full-time
Speaker:job. He's got a part-time job at Humber, but yeah, but he can't, he said there's just no
Speaker:full-time jobs and what's he saying is like, oh, you know, in comms, they start at salary
Speaker:start at 80,000 versus 35,000 for journalism. If you can get the job. Right. And can stomach
Speaker:doing public communications. So a lot of people who study journalism are now going and doing
Speaker:comms. And I mean, when we talk about the state of Canadian media, that might be a fucking
Speaker:part of it. You know, all of this work. And what's your salary? Thirty five thousand. I
Speaker:know people like who have worked like. That's jobs where you do almost nothing all day. with
Speaker:salaries of upwards of 50,000. Journalists nowadays are expected because they cut all the jobs.
Speaker:So journalists nowadays are expected, you gotta write the stories, but you also gotta be able
Speaker:to film, you gotta be able to edit, you gotta be able to do TV, radio, you gotta be able
Speaker:to lay things out, you gotta be able to do graphic design, you gotta be able to, you gotta do
Speaker:it all. You gotta be able to do it all. And you gotta hustle like crazy. And what do you
Speaker:get? $35,000 at the end of it. And people still shit on the trades, which is like, I don't
Speaker:understand whatsoever. It's that in ideal world, yes, we can go to university, learn critical
Speaker:thought, gain extra skills because we need them in life. But the reality is we also have to
Speaker:be equipped to survive, which means selling our labor. The trades are an incredible place
Speaker:to do that because most of them are unionized as well. So it's funny that we still gear people
Speaker:towards, you know, I'm one to talk, I have a degree in the liberal arts. I felt like I learned
Speaker:a lot from going to university, but I don't think it does anything for my resume to be
Speaker:perfectly honest. So I almost wish I had gone into the trades. I still would have been politically
Speaker:minded and could have done that kind of work, but It's people still shit on folks that use
Speaker:their hands to do work or choose not to go to post secondary school and get into the trades
Speaker:as well. So when we talk about, you know, free education.
Speaker:There's so many more reasons behind that than just simply students not ending up in debt.
Speaker:I don't... the mental load that one has to carry in order to maintain this juggling and then
Speaker:to be treated that way, that was probably the worst four years of my life. Even though I
Speaker:did enjoy being in university, it was so stressful. I ended up in the hospital with anxiety and...
Speaker:just the high pressure stakes that are also involved with like being the top of your class
Speaker:so that you do get the jobs that are available. And it's absolutely incredible. And under this
Speaker:today's, you know, political climate and cost of living, it's gotta be too much for folks.
Speaker:And yeah. Yeah, I feel that for sure. You know, I've been here for going on eight years, you
Speaker:know, cause I switched programs. Um, and it's just, I've seen how many people have fallen
Speaker:through the cracks and not because they didn't know how to work, not because they didn't want
Speaker:it or weren't trying. You know, I've seen so many times where students are raising issues
Speaker:that fall on deaf ears. I made it my... mission to advocate for the students. So last year
Speaker:I spent a lot of time bringing up concerns to our program coordinator that those concerns
Speaker:fell on deaf ears as well. Nothing changed. And what happened? Those students who were
Speaker:raising those concerns that never got met, they left. And they don't feel the need to change
Speaker:anything because those students are now gone. So the students who this does work for, who
Speaker:are still around because it works for them. Oh, they use that as a way to validate the
Speaker:way that they're doing things, you know? It's a really, really hard time to be a student.
Speaker:And You know, it's, I don't know, it's just, it's tough. It's tough and I really feel for
Speaker:all my fellow students out there because it's fucking tough. I just wanna add a little side
Speaker:note because you said it a few times and I know you don't mean it like you say it but we can't
Speaker:edit it out or else your statements won't make sense. But when we say fall on deaf ears, I
Speaker:just wanna acknowledge the little bit of. ableism that exists in a lot of our language, because
Speaker:in fact, it's not that they don't hear it. It's that they don't value the voices in it. Right?
Speaker:So these are things that I'm learning from helpful disabled advocates that helped me unlearn some
Speaker:of the language that they use. But I just thought it could be a learning point for our audience.
Speaker:And I'm not coming down, you know, you know, coming down on you. I just want to like. It
Speaker:makes it worse, right? It's not just they didn't hear. And that's what deaf means, right? Like
Speaker:the inability to just like have sound input. They take that input in and they callously
Speaker:reject it. That's what that term actually means. So I wish we had a better way of saying, you
Speaker:know, they heartlessly ignored it. Anyway, I do need a better term for that. There's so
Speaker:many of those, you know, and you did just like a As I'm speaking, there's like a little part
Speaker:in the back of my mind that feels like the little cognitive dissonance of like, oh, you know,
Speaker:like I get like the, I was like, oh, yeah, no, that's uncomfortable. And I said it like twice
Speaker:too. And it's, yeah, you'll see I'm like making a face trying to wave me up. But I know there's
Speaker:a few, you know, if we say people are blind to something, we actually mean they're ignorant
Speaker:to it. Not that they don't actually see it. Right. it doesn't imply an inability, almost
Speaker:a refusal. And so when there is someone helping you, it's unreal how ableist our language is
Speaker:and racist. So like there's a lot of terms that we use, we don't understand their root origins
Speaker:and then we learn better. But it really is incredible how extensive it is. And then it does reinforce
Speaker:things that we don't think that we're reinforcing, right? But anyway. This was quite the eclectic
Speaker:episode in the end, for those who stuck through it. Yeah. This is like, to justify my scattered
Speaker:brain, I'm really burnt out right now. My brain, I'm operating at like maybe 40% of my ability
Speaker:to think with clarity. Also, I had to, I'm sorry, I do not feel so great, so I did a COVID test
Speaker:halfway through, so yeah. It's been a fun episode in that sense. Um, and yeah, everything is
Speaker:deeply depressing right now. You can't make that the last thing we have on there. Go just
Speaker:whatever it is, just we'll end it now, but you can't make that the last line promise. Oh,
Speaker:okay. Well, what do I got? What do I got this part of that? Um, nah, I got, I got, I got
Speaker:nothing. I'm making my own ramen.
Speaker:That sounds bougie. Nah, I'm making it cheap. I'm not cheap, so I can make bigger batches.
Speaker:It's funny, it does get cheaper. You can link the recipe in the show notes. I'm still waiting
Speaker:for my bolognese, bastard. If people want a cooking talk show where we cook while talking
Speaker:through things,
Speaker:can make that happen. I'm here for that and I'm hungry. Alright. I'm ending it. That's
Speaker:all folks. Just to stop this madness. That is a wrap on another episode of Blueprints of
Speaker:Disruption. Thank you for joining us. Also, a very big thank you to the producer of our
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