In this episode, we're joined by Andre Koenig, a strategic consultant whose work helps governments, investors, and companies worldwide navigate the rapidly evolving quantum landscape. Together, we peel back the layers of hype and misconception around quantum technologies, exploring what it really takes to drive innovation, the intersection of quantum and AI, and why the true transformative power of quantum may still be decades away. Whether you're a scientist, entrepreneur, or simply quantum curious, this conversation offers invaluable insights into the present and future of one of technology's final frontiers.

Links

• André on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/estrapadus/
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Time Stamps

00:00 Scaling responsibly within the industry

04:55 Challenges in Implementing Weather Tech

07:45 Understanding Amara's Law in Tech

12:22 AI for quantum computing

14:03 Early adoption of quantum technology

20:34 Cloud services and enterprise technology

21:53 Discussing misconceptions in quantum tech

27:08 Discussing evolution in technology

28:38 Career opportunities in Quantum technology

31:22 Challenges in global collaboration

35:50 Impact of prompt engineering

I think to be able to scale unresponsibly, you would need to

be part of one of these big handful of

folks in the leader pack that is starting to fall away.

I don't think you have the capability to do anything

irresponsible if you're not at this point part of

this call a team that will consist of government entities,

some of these large combat research labs and some so forth. So

again, I think you need to distinguish that you're inside that punting curtain or

outside that pump and curtain outside that pumping curtain. You're not going to do

much harm. Maybe you'll have a scam investment

portfolio and the saving of some people.

Right. Welcome to Impact Quantum

Hello and welcome back to Impact Quantum, the podcast where we explore the emerging

field of quantum computers, where you don't necessarily need to be a

physicist, you just need to be curious. And with me today, as always,

is the most quantum curious person I know, Candace Kahuly.

How's it going, Candice? It's going great, Frank. Thank you so much. I'm really

excited because today we're going to be talking to Andre

Koenig and he, he's very exciting. He

is a strategic consulting company in Quantum

and he's helping industry leaders and countries and media

and just about everybody understand the fantastic world of

Quantum. Hi Andre. Love Quantum. I love

Impact. I love the Quantum Curious. Good to be back with both of

you and your audience. It's a spooky world and overused and abused

term in Quantum. But it's the true technology

that is still early but it is unsurpassing its excitement

to how it might transform our future. And it comes with many different

expressions and flavors. Feeling back the layers of the onion

is what we do at the global company Intelligence we've been around for 10 years.

We are a decision intelligence company. So data analytics,

data mining on the supply chains of quantum

geopolitical aspects, investments in quantum,

anything that a government or strategic investor in

Quantum might need to hopefully make the best possible decision on

this crazy spooky. Very

cool. Welcome back to the show. You were on a previous episode

and great to have you back. Discussion.

Let's feel back that onion and see what we find.

Professor Ashalang, the head of the quantum computing

lab at the University of Chicago, a very famous researcher. So

it took a lot of persistence. Long story short, that

kind of experience was recurring for three, four years

until people started to recognize that maybe it takes more than just

physics to actually build a company, a technology product,

high services. Well, especially in

the startup space, right? At least with my experience, when I'm

working with people who are in the startup space, it's normally the engineer

that's come up with the idea that decides that. I've come up with

the idea, so I really understand it and I want to run the company. And

they don't necessarily have the right skill set. Running a

company with a business mind is very different from coming from

it, strictly from the scientific engineering side.

And that's why it takes all kinds of people to run the world, right? Like

we all have skills that are needed in this. That's a problem with

quantum technologies a lot. We have a solution looking for

a problem, which is a typical startup problem, obviously in any

industry. But all these amazing researchers that I

admire so much came up with a lot of solutions, right? Oh,

here's quantum entanglement. Now we can use this quantum entanglement

to exchange information and make it secure.

Sure, there's a problem. We need secure information exchange, right? We need

secure communication. But it comes out of a solution.

We discovered a new solution. It seems to fit many different

problems, but when the rubber hits the road, it's a lot

more nuanced than that. So

there's so many problems out there, right? So you look at, for example,

what quantum computing could do for precision medicine,

right? Or what quantum computing could do for

weather forecasting, right? So that, for example, we wouldn't have

the kind of terrible disasters that we're having nowadays.

You know, what do you think is really one of the

biggest problems in need of our, in need of a

quantum solution out there that would be achievable in

the next, let's say, five, five, 10 years. I think people have done

exactly wrong because we don't know if it can really help us

predict the weather better. Yes, on paper it can. But

do we have enough algorithmic speed up on a specific problem to actually

do it? What is the cost of it in terms of computational

time, power consumption? And then how do we implement

it? How does it work with classical data? How do we connect it to existing

weather workflows and weather data silos and

so forth? And that's what I mean. When the rubber hits the road, as soon

as you start to look into these use cases and we track over

200 of them across eight industries, it gets

very difficult to see the enterprise end user

benefit of it. So the way that I look at it benefit of

hindsight. Here is the way that the people should have looked at the Internet.

Right? Internet is something new. Nobody knew that the

first and most successful application of it would be payments and

payments for a certain type of entertainment. Right. You couldn't imagine

that. You couldn't come up with that. That's not a use case that anybody had

in a spreadsheet that was tracking the digital

networking space. So the problem

that can benefit from Quantum as a solution

hasn't been invented yet, but it comes out of the realm of

what Feynman said. Don't think so then classically,

if you want to understand nature, and that's the powerful aspect

of quantum really simulating natural, natural

dynamics, we do adopt this T pocket.

So are you willing to, for example, hazard a guess as

to which industry you feel Quantum will be able to

impact first? I have a client paying me

$400,000 right now to answer that question for them. And we

argue every week over it. And I give them exactly that

answer, which really doesn't satisfy them, especially considering

what they pay us. We have to play the game and do break it down

by industries and applications, use cases. And yes,

there are ways to prioritize it and frame the risk in

terms of the timeline and roi. And of course, things

like quantum chemistry, especially from a materials point

of view, seem to be closest to the globe in terms of

timeline and potential roi. But again, means a

lot more than just a quantum computer and quantum algorithm deliver. And I

think if you bet on an individual use case, on individual

industry, you're going to be hot water. Okay,

so if you could cut through all the hype, what do you feel

is one misconception about

quantum technology that you wish

every executive understood? It's

what is called Amara's Law. We

overestimate the impact of Quantum the short term and

underestimate its impact on the long term. True for so many

technologies out there. Right. And, and when you read the news,

especially if you're a CEO that might not be as active

in Quantum as, as folks at JP Morgan, Al some of those

early adopters, you, you could say to yourself every week,

record fundraise, new breakthrough announcement, new

quantum advantage experiment. These are the first

steps in a marathon. We've been saying that for many years. But a marathon

is long. We're still in the first steps of a marathon. We're

starting to see a runner marathon. I know where the pack

in a marathon starts to form, at what mile. But we're that mile where you

have a small pack of 20 people or probably a handful of

companies in quantum computing that are pulling a tiny little

bit away from the rest, but nothing more. It is very

early. You need to understand. It's like going to the gym. You're

training a muscle again. And if you want to go to the gym, you're not

saying, oh, I'm only going to do art unless you're an armrest. But

even if you're an armrest, you do other muscles as

well. Quantum is a methodology, it's a philosophy. It's

not about a specific industry or specific use case. That's the biggest

misconception. Do you want to play in a field that will

dominate the future of.

That's a really. Honestly, that's the first time I've ever heard

that as the answer for the biggest misconception.

But you're not living in the hype. You really

are being surgical and strategic

about the information that, that you see that's out there and what,

what can be done with it. As an investor,

how do you distinguish between startups that have real staying

power and those that are just more hype than substance?

You don't. Again, an answer that

is really difficult for an Investor. We've done $2.5 billion

in deals with angel to PC

and stack. Let me get back to the previous question for a second.

Quantum is not an invention, it's a discovery.

We Einstein. I'll just introduce him to everybody, right?

Einstein and his colleagues, Max Plane before they discovered

new laws of how the world worked at

the particle and subpartical level. And now for

the last 20, 25 years, we're trying to build technology and products on top

of that. It's not an invention. The Internet is an

invention. Bitcoin is an invention. SaaS platforms

isn't invention. Salesforce is a convention. These are smart people

inventing a product or service or technology

to fix a problem that they saw. Quantum is not an invention, it's

a discovery. And we're now trying to figure out what we can do with it,

what we can build on top of it. And that's what you have to understand,

no matter if you're a CEO of a Fortune 500 company, an angel

investor or VC. As an economist, I will tell you,

build a portfolio and compose constituencies,

right? As a user, build a portfolio of usage,

not just of use cases, if you're an aerospace, but also

how you're going to use it. Can you use it for workforce development? Can you

use it for strategic decision making? Can you use it for

machine learning? Of course. Build A portfolio of

usage. Same for the domestic. Build a portfolio of companies,

bet on a couple products, bet on a couple teams, Horse

versus jockey. Build on a couple of. Bet on a couple of different

applications. Don't make this fun. We're way, way too

early. Okay, so there's a lot of

time we're talking about with our guests,

quantum and AI

and how they really can be interesting if

they're going to work together. And I wanted to

know from your perspective, what excites you the most about the

intersection of quantum and AI? Our ability

to use AI to make quantum better. We

call it. We have. We write way too many reports.

And one of our reports, we had a couple of weeks of internal

argument what we call it, because it's about the quantum and AI. But do we

call it quantum and AI? We call it quantum AI. We call it quantum for

AI. Do we call it AI for Quantum? Actually, I don't even remember what we

ended up calling it. But in it on the first page, you will see that

there is quantum for AI, there is AI for Quantum, and

then there is quantum and AI. What we're most excited about

is AI for quantum because that's the only thing that's

tangible. Everything else is in the realm

of possibilities and nice. Today we can use

AI for quantum and error correction. Of course,

many companies we can use it. Microsoft has the

copilot whirly and strangers higher platform around

it in terms of how can we use AI to frame

your quantum problem set and then build those jade

models on circuits and then many other AI methodologies

that will probably inform how we speed up the

development from a scientific point of view all the way to here.

Okay. Okay. So do you think that right now we

are actually at the inflection point that everyone keeps saying

we're we're there, or do you still think that we're still

a little bit off from it? I don't understand that question.

What is there? Where is there? Show me there on the map. Yes, we're there.

Inflection. The company announced a $1.8 billion back

this week. We're there. I'm an economist. You ask me an economist, and

we're there. Yeah. Company just raised 1.8 billion. I'd like to have

1.8 billion. Yeah, we're there. So what does there mean?

I'm on my way to Washington D.C. after this podcast

for some meetings on the Hill. Quantum is there. It's

at that level, at the political geopolitical

consideration game, as real as AI and biotech. If not

more. But again, is it there for the

airline CEO that needs to optimize cargo loading,

plane planing and so forth? No, and

it's not going to be for many years. Let's stop fueling those

claims that in 2026, 2027,

2028, all these industries will see revolutions in the,

in their Monte Carlo traveling salesmen and logistics problems. That's just

not the case. Right. But Quantum is there today. And even if

you're an airline CEO or a bank CEO or

a pharma CEO, Quantum is there today because you

need to get ahead of that learning curve. You need to build your partnerships,

you need to build your teams, and you need to think about that usage

model for you beyond the use cases. That's a good point. But

no, I think you're right in terms of

it's a question only Quantum industry seems to have. Is it there yet?

Right. And I always wonder why that is because to your point, in

some places it's there. And what is there? Right. If there

is raising large sums of capital, clearly it's there.

If it's there. And no matter how much of a bump,

there's always an expectation if you're raising capital

that there's going to be return on some investment there. Right. So there's

obviously there's something there. And I think you're right. Clearly there's a big national

security impact in this space. But you're right, it's not going to

be the point where airline CEOs are going to care about it. Right?

Right. Maybe. Definitely not by 2026

for lucky 2036. Right. Probably closer to 2046.

And this, it's always this kind of this weird dynamic in this.

Right. You'll have Jensen Huang say earlier in 2025,

that'll be 20, 30 years before we get a quantum practical. Quantum computer. What

constitutes practical. Right. You know, that's a very

loaded question. And I think that to your point,

it's already here. But you could argue that the computer

age started with the mainframe. Right. But then a lot of kids

these days will say that the computer age started in the 90s

with AOL and Windows 95, which is laughable.

It's hard to say that without laughing. Yep. And good to see

you weren't sure if you'd make it. Yeah. Thanks for your patience. But

that's. And you asked me earlier, Candace, I think this is the

second big misconception we are all sitting here. And I blame the

vendors, many of which are my clients and my friends so apologies, but we're

all sitting here with a hammer and trying to hammer this Quantum thing

into a square box when it is some wild, crazy

round galaxy, whatever it might look like. We

gotta stop attaching the success of Quantum

to industries, to enterprise, use cases, to roi.

That is not what Quantum is. That is what Quantum along the

way at some point will do. And it will be huge

transformative for many industries. That's not what Quantum is.

Quantum is many other things. It is a way for some very smart

people to make some really good money. And Quantum is there for

that. It is a top three, top five national security

priority. We are aware of 33 national quantum

missions. Quantum is there more than any other technology.

And it is a way to understand nature and the future.

And there are barely any other topics on which there is more research

being published than Quantum. When you look at physics,

nature, natural sciences and so forth, Quantum is there

in a big way. It's not going anywhere. There's no but just this box

that we're trying to hammer it in the use cases in roi. It's just

one smaller Quantum, one small part of Quantum, one small aspect of

Quantum. It's going to come at some point, but we're attaching to

what weight to it, which again, vendors who put on investors

and board of directors, they are forced to play that game,

tell that storyline, it is the way it is and we'll

deliver on. But that's not the main driver. What

advice would you give students or professionals who want to pivot

into Quantum but don't have a physics background?

Absolutely, go for it. It is fascinating. I don't think we need to

argue over the fact we're in America here. Right. I'm not the

same as in Europe, where my roots are. Technology will rule the

world in a large way. Quantum is going

to be one of those main technologies. Yes, there will be others. API is

not going anywhere, but there'll be others as well. But Quantum

is the most transformative, the most impactful. It's

also the one that is still the earliest on the curve. So you have the

biggest. And good luck getting into AI, Right? Sure.

Say AI there. Yeah. If you want to slap together a pitch deck and say

you have a new LLM that's energy efficient and whatever, you can probably

raise 50mil and disappear onto my Caribbean island,

never be seen again. But good luck getting into AI today. Right.

Blockchain will say, please come into blockchain, do crypto. But that that

space is dominated by something Quantum

isn't. So I Think, don't be afraid of it. At the same time,

take it serious. It is not an invention, as I said earlier,

that you can easily apprehend and understand. Go to a couple

conferences, watch a couple of YouTube videos. You really have to be willing to dig

in and take a bet on it and stick to it. You're willing

to do that. It doesn't matter. If you have a physics background, you will pick

up those details. And we need diverse talents. We need

other people that quantum physicists in the field. So

don't be afraid, but be ready to make the commitment and be

ready to understand that this is a much deeper than current.

Very cool. That having been said,

what do you think that the future looks like for people who

are adjacent to the science aspect of it? Right. The marketers. Right. Because

that's one of the things that Candice and I had a discussion earlier this year

is actually partly brought on by the controversial

statements at CES that Jensen Huang made. Right. Was

obviously you're going to need a core set of technologists, physicists.

Right. That's without a question. But beyond that, you're going to need

people that to do the, go to marketing aspects of it. Right.

The, the marketing aspects, the sales. Right. And the customer

success. The previous show we had was, and we touched upon it with a

few previous guests too, where you buy a quantum solution. And in

this case it was an on prem solution. It was like, oh, someone has to

rack and stack machines. Right. If you're dealing with a cloud

service, it's not really as much of an issue the vendor or the cloud provider

would take on that, that, that risk. But at some point

these have to be practical enterprise

technologies. Right. Who can you, even if you don't want to be a physicist

and you don't want to do that, do you think there's a future for kind

of people who are adjacent to the core technology and they

could specialize in kind of the special

concerns that come up in this space and maybe not traditional it.

I feel like I'm at the dentist now because you're having a little bit of

a nerve here. Again, many, many people in

quantum are my clients and friends also on the marketing and PR

side. And yes, these people are needed. But when you look at

what's happening in marketing and PR and I can tell you one of

the biggest shifts over the last couple of years was the a couple of years

ago CEOs would email me with their latest update and

explain it in a very kind of constructive, factual technology,

product market way. Today, every day I get half a

dozen emails from some PR firm. Oh, company XYZ

Quantum. Did you know, by the way, did you know? Yeah, I do. I've been

in fungi for 10 years and you don't know that. But did you know the

company XYZ published a breakthrough yesterday that

will transform blah, blah, blah. And it's can you use language

on your podcast? It's like these people that really don't

know what they're talking about. And they are partly to blame

for what some people might call a quantum winter, at least

on this commercial side that's attached to RI and

use cases. There is so much just wrong,

fundamentally wrong, narrative

storytelling and positioning of fundamental technologies and

products that it is harming the industry. But there is such

a demand and such a need for people that are

adjacent to the quantum science and engineering profession,

even legal. I'm going to Quantum Legal Workshop in a few days,

two weeks in Washington. We need all those

functions, hr and there's a small handful of head hunters in Quantum.

But even they don't really understand how

educational credentials align with technical requirements,

market realities. And that's why I said earlier, that is the

opportunity. So if you are not a quantum scientist and you want to get

into content, absolutely. It is a huge opportunity. The price

of that opportunity is to be serious about content, really

understand it. And that's a commitment. That's a learning curve. If and

when you do that, you will have a huge impact in marketing and

pr, in legal and product management and

operations in HR and all these adjacent professions.

But we're desperate for talent. I need a marketer.

I can't find one. I've tried agencies, I've tried freelancers.

I can't afford to pay a quantum scientist to my

LinkedIn posts. But it needs to be technically accurate, yet have a

marketing voice. Extremely difficult to do. That's

interesting. That's interesting because you want to think about how companies are

supposed to build teams that

can address all of these different issues between

the interplanet, the interdisciplinary teams that bridge the gap between the

scientists, the engineers and the business strategists. How can

companies work on that, that difficulty?

It's difficult. I'd argue my company, gqi

is one puzzle piece there. Right. We give you that decision, intelligence, the

baseline, the references, the data, the frameworks to

build those functions, from marketing to strategy,

finance and so forth. So that's what we're hoping to contribute there.

But then I think it's just be humble. Don't

assume it is like AI or SAS or we see so

many HPC people in Quantum. Oh, Quantum is just like hpc. Both

the same systems, same pricing models and go to market models.

And that's just not the case. Right. You have to be smart, but you have

to be willing to humble and be humble. And I think you have to be

a real entrepreneur. That's what it comes down to here. It's a discovery,

not an invention. You're discovering the business models and then

the marketing narratives at the same time that we're discovering how to

build the best possible and scale. And so I don't have a good

answer to that candidate. But I think being a

dedicated, committed entrepreneur, this is one of the biggest.

Yeah. And I see this potentially

as big as the transistor. Potentially

over the long haul. Right. I don't want to add to the hype wave. Right.

There's plenty of energy in that hypo. Not in the next two years,

but I think over the long haul. And I think also too,

just like the transistor, I can't imagine somebody at Bell labs in the 60s

imagining tick tock. Right. Would be a thing. Right. Or the iPhone

or pick any type of thing. Right. Like it.

You're nodding for those that don't. So it seems like you generally agree

with that. I think the question is how much is when.

The timeframe, I think is really the, the one of the great unknown

variables here. Right. It's probably going to be measured in decades. But

again, if you're making billions of dollars, and at least as of we're recording this,

billions of dollars is still a lot of money. And I say that in jest

because I was just listening to an autobiography of. Not an autobiography,

but a biography on William Randolph Hearst. And when he

inherited his wealth, it was not. The numbers because of inflation

were very different. Right. So you kind of have to do the mental math in

terms of that billions as we're recording, this is still a lot of money.

We're trying to make billions. I am pretty old, but I'm not old enough to

remember the transistor days. But I'm wondering if people were

worried about timelines and ROI during the transistor

days, which took a couple of decades. Right. I think they were. I'm not old

enough to remember that either, but I remember watching a documentary on

the history of computing and there was this. This was the days of

vacuum tubes. Right. So like when the computer broke, you went in, you unscrewed the

vacuum tube and you replaced it and you turn it back on. Right. So one

of the journalists was asking the inventor of the transistor, like, these things are

microscopic. What are you gonna have, like, somebody with tweezers and, like a thing and

a little soldering gun will fix it? He goes, no, no, it'll be

so cheap. If one of the things blows on the chip, you can just get

a new chip. And like, their eyes lit up. And I think. I don't know,

like that. I think those are like we.

Whenever there's an. Whenever there's a big paradigm shift, and I hate using that word

because it's been so overused, but whenever there's a big paradigm shift, a lot of

the baggage from the previous era tends to come along in the first

generation or two. One of the most fascinating things I heard was when

factories started to get electrify, right? So

prior to that, they would basically have a water wheel attached to a river that

would turn a crank, and all the machinery had to be, like,

aligned with the crank. So electricity, you don't really need that.

But the first few generations of factories that were built,

they had the crankshaft mindset. And I'm trying to remember where I heard this,

but it was an interesting concept of, so all the machines were lined up in

a particular way, and then somebody a couple of years into it was like, wait

a minute, we could just run a wire anywhere, right? As long as we have

the electricity kind of working. And then that led to a whole radical

shift in how factories were designed. And I think that

maybe it's going to be the same thing with Quantum, right? Where we have certain

assumptions about compute and compute costs today. And.

And again, not adding to the hype, this isn't going to be 2026, 2027. This

is going to be 15, 20 years down the line, right? Where we'll rethink a

lot of things. Because of Quantum, we're

in a paradigm shift from making billions to trillion. Yes,

I like that. I could use a trillion or two myself.

I think you just gave the perfect answer, right? And that's how people need to

think about it. This is what you do in engineering. You iterate. And I

mentioned earlier, portfolio. Why is everybody looking for the

answer again? Quantum. The dare is here today. And

now you can have a career in Quantum today.

And now you can build an application in Quantum today,

and now you can build a business today and now is that going to be

the same career, the same application, the same business today

that it will be in five years or in 20 years? Hopefully

not, because Quantum will be such A paradigm shift and

we start making trillions instead of billions but just

iterate rather than looking for the optimal answer. If you're not

willing to do that, then stick with AI and Bitcoin.

I am old enough to remember the dot com crash and I do

worry about or is the AI field setting themselves up for

an equal crash. But also too crypto did have a crash, but

crypto's not completely DOA the same way that the technology tech industry

felt in the early 2000s. The future is hard to

predict because it hasn't happened yet. So.

But the CYs are good, crashes are good. That means more talent

and more resources for fun. And I'll be egoistic

happy about that. But yeah, let's reframe the

conversation. Don't think that's the biggest takeaway from our conversation today.

Just understand what year and today means you can have

use cases, success careers. No matter who you are,

what you are today, that will be different from tomorrow.

Stop trying to understand the timeline, just enjoy the ride

and maximize your impact that you're learning. And that's how you'll be

more successful every day, every week.

Interesting. So let me ask you this. How

do you see the recent G7 Quantum Accord

Shaping Collaboration versus Competition

in Quantum now the dentist is growing fast in order

to do the play. I'm a

pessimist on that question, you tell me. But I do think that

we live in a bipolar world. I think the press will

cycle, the shakeout will leave us with a bipolar

technology world in certain

universe. I think especially on our side, the US side

that does come with a dust cloud. What the dust

cloud Looks like G7 Aquas,

NATO. Something else was impossible to

predict. Quantum is also abused the term

of other projects happy project. But this is something

that requires resources, talent,

supply chains that go beyond even our capacity

capabilities. So do need those good reliable partners.

What exactly that looks like I think also depends on the

geopolitical situation outside

that will drive our relationships will be

shaped in the next few years. That's why Quantum again is just a way

to assimilate nature so we'll never chase out the

wider world is what you'll see in but we need

friends to do it. But I think it is going to be not

unlike nuclear. Some people talk about the pumping curtain.

There will be a curtain and you're either the inside or the outside

of the pumping curtain. That's going to be an iron curtain.

I don't know how many watts of energy get flowing through it.

So I think it's Going to be very protective, at least at the large scale

level. Very exclusive. No, that's a good way to put it. Because

you have to wonder if there is a true

breakthrough in Quantum, that there's going to be people

that would want to keep that quiet, particularly when it comes to

RSA encryption. Right. For as long as they possibly can.

So I often wonder like where is the true cutting edge right now? Right.

How much of it is above board? Right. It doesn't matter what country. Right.

Any country that we would do that would be. Just look to your history books.

Right. Anyone who can break encryption, they tend to keep it quiet for as long

as they can. Right. And it just, I don't know, like

I am both fearful and optimistic about the future. That's

exactly the question. If you have a function computer of a certain size

error plot, would you want to tell the world about

it? Yes or no? Would you want to run your Monte

Carlo optimization of Wall street with it? Yes or no? Or

you'd rather miss out on those billions or potentially trillions at that

point and maintain that kind of weapon, defensive

offensive capability and surprise them. And it's an

inappropriate comparison. But it is more powerful than a

nuclear effect. I think people don't understand the

consequence of a full encryption. It would be civil

war. People would starve to death. They will not have

access to any communication any else. How

finance power would be out. Right. It's a little bit of a

slower death, few of burn wounds, but absolutely

fatal and tragic. That's why I think there will be a Quantum curtain. That's why

I think it will be a small clock on the inside of the Quantum curtain.

Faced with one adversary that might have a couple allies as well.

And then you'll have different versions of Quantum that will run on

Wall street, that will run and so forth.

It'll come from all over the place and we'll see some use cases of roi,

which is fantastic and potentially transformative. But the real power

of Quantum will be very, very elusive. Exclusive.

What lessons can Quantum entrepreneurs learn from the

evolution of AI or biotech industries in terms of

scaling responsibly? I think to be able to

scale unresponsibly, it would need to be part of of

one of these big handful of folks in the leader

pack that is starting to pull away. I don't think

you have the capability to do anything irresponsible

if you're not at this point part of what is called a team

that will consist of government entities, some of these large combat

research labs and so forth. So again, I think we need to distinguish

if you're inside that Quantum curtain or outside that funding Curtain. Curtain.

Outside the funding curtain, you're not going to do much harm.

Maybe you'll have a scam investment portfolio and

the saving of people. Right. Which is

terrible be recommended. But you're not

going to have future if you are on the inside of that iron

curtain. You just need to think about the future you want for yourself in the

next generation. Like every, every one of these cycles.

Yeah, you keep on talking about that there's this divide. There's going to be those

like the haves and the have nots or the those that are working

and using Quantum technology as opposed

to those that are just not accepting it or not working

with it. And I'm sure that divide must worry you a little bit.

I think you see that every day in the world. Right back to AI. And

I am by no means a prompt expert, but

the difference in results that you can get when you know

how to engineer and write a proper prompt for chat,

GPT or Gemini or Proc versus just

hey, please give me every company in Quantum and your

investments. It's a tremendous difference with a huge impact.

And even amongst my educated smart tech friends,

I'm shocked how many people even take time to learn

about prompt engineering and probably use these new AI tools.

Right. So we already live in a world of haps or have not

that world has penetrated our elites and problem

is just a lot more complex and inaccessible than

any other technology. Yes, it was a definite concern.

So if people are interested in finding out more about you

and what you do, where would you suggest they go to find that information?

I'm hard to avoid just the pain of all my distractors but just

Google Andre and Quantum. I have a website under chemic

k o n I g.com Lots of beautiful

pictures, videos, features, links to all my companies.

So yeah, I can chat with anyone. Whether you want to get started and

help solve the PR marketing dilemma in Quantum or you know,

Quantum scientists that thinks it's hard to do cube it up the future.

Very cool. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for coming back on the show and we'll

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