Do you ever wonder what it truly means to serve like Jesus did? In a culture focused on status and self-promotion, what if radical humility could stir revival and transform hearts? In this episode of The Collide Podcast, we sit down with Jessica Bond—the artist behind the viral Footwashing Series, a striking visual collection that depicts Jesus washing the feet of people from all backgrounds, including those society often ignores.

Jessica’s work has sparked both admiration and controversy, challenging people to view love the way Jesus modeled it—on His knees, serving even those who would betray Him. As a missionary, digital artist, podcast host and founder of Salt & Gold Collection, Jessica shares how her global journey and deep faith inform her creative calling to embody the gospel through art.

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🔹 The story behind the Footwashing Series and why it resonated with millions

🔹 Why footwashing is a radical act of humility—and what it means today

🔹 Encouragement for creatives, missionaries, and anyone searching for their calling

🔹 What it means to serve people we disagree with—and why Jesus modeled it first

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Hey there. This is Willow Weston, the founder and director of Collideand I am so excited to hand you this interview.

If you spend any time on Instagram at all, you probably know exactly who I'm interviewing and I don't know, maybe you don't know her, but you know her work because when you see kind of slaps you across the face.

It really is work that makes you think, it makes you feel, it can convict you, it can challenge you, it can also just overcome you with love and grace. And that is. I just interviewed Jessica Bond. She's an Australian based digital artist. She's the author and host.

She's an author, She's a host of Flipping Tables podcast.

She's been a missionary, she leads Salt and Gold collection and she's best known for her foot washing series that went viral where Jesus is serving people from all walks of life. And it was such an interesting time to talk to her.

I hope this interview not only reminds you of how loved you are, but it also challenges you to show that love to everyone you collide with. Take a listen, Jessica. This might be a first for me. You're joining from Australia. I don't know if we've ever had a guest from Australia.

I love that so much.

Well, it's a privilege to be the first then. I know we had to navigate time zones a bit. For me it's eight in the morning. For you it's what time is it for you?

Like five o' clock at night? Yeah, yeah.

And we're on different days as well so it's always a fun one trying to navigate the time zones for this kind of thing.

Oh my goodness. Well, thank you so much for hopping on all the way across the world and there's so much I wanna ask you about.

I know people listening who might right away connect you with your work when I bring this up.

But you have become you lead Salt and Gold Collection and have become best known for this viral foot washing series, this art that people sort of, they're in the middle of their doom scrolling and all of a sudden they like slapped in the face with one of these images that you've made. Can you invite us into sort of the genesis of this project why you started making this work and. Yeah, take us back to that for sure.

Well, it's been a really unexpected journey if I'm honest. I think people think, oh you must have had foot washing like Jesus washing feet.

John 13 this must have been something on your life and your heart for a long time. But it was as Much of a surprise to me as it was to anyone else.

And it wasn't even, you know, the foot Washing series is a series of artwork depicting Jesus washing the feet of all different kinds of people. But it wasn't ever even intended to be a series. It just started as one image, the valentine image of Jesus washing the feet of a bride.

This woman sitting in her, like her bridal outfit with these, she's crying and has these lavish bunch of flowers on her lap. And it was just a one off image. It was me asking the Lord, lord, how do you see your beloved? How you, how do you see us?

And that was just what came to mind. And so I drew this and I shared it and I was taken aback by how many people it resonated with.

And a couple of days later I was just cooking my dinner and saw this kind of flick through of hundreds of different images in what now is the foot washing series. And I remember just freezing in my kitchen and saying, lord, is that you? And are you sure?

Because that's going to be really controversial because people like who it would be easy to see on the seat.

And it was people who are maybe we would see as being held in tension like an inmate and a police officer or two different sides, sides of a political party, you know, like these things that really for us as people we can find quite divisive and we don't know how to treat people who are sort of on the opposite side or not sitting in the same place as us. And yet that is the stool, that is the seat that Jesus has the same stool open for you and for me, you know, it is the one for all of us.

So I just wanted to be obedient. And so I took a breath and I just started drawing. And that is what is now known as the Footwashing series.

I have so many things I want to ask you about this, but before we get into more of the Footwashing series, tell us a little bit about your relationship with making art. Before this moment in your life. Was that like a thing that you regularly made art and put it out in the world or was this kind of your debut?

No, this is, I mean, my sister has a qualification in fine arts art and I like, I would call myself a generally creative person, but I never pursued art seriously. If you give me a pen and paper, I'll draw you a really great stick figure.

Like, I'm really like not a great tactile artist, but what I do is digital art. And for some reason I think honestly just by the grace of God, that works. And.

But even then, I still, like, I feel like I need a grace to be able to do artwork, because if I sit down and like, okay, I want to do this thing, I really struggle to make it happen. But when I see, like, this image in my mind first and I think, oh, I feel something on that, I think that that's the Lord.

There is such a grace and an ease to create it. And so, long story short, I am not particularly connected with art, but I think that the Lord obviously is like, hey, I've got something to say.

You're willing to do it, I'll use you. You know.

So for people listening who haven't seen it yet, and honestly, if you're listening and you can, like, if you're not driving your car, go to Instagram and. Jess, is it underneath Salt and Gold collection on Instagram? Yeah. Or is it under your name? Yeah.

The main account is Salt and Gold collection. Or if you only want to see specifically the foot washing series, you can look up the foot washing series.

Right. So for people listening right now who can't go look at it right this moment, give us a few other examples.

You talked about, you know, like the prisoner and the. And the police officer.

Like, give us a few of these ideas that the Lord sort of flooded your brain with in the middle of the kitchen while you're cooking dinner.

Yeah, look, I'm going to just jump in and this.

Probably people listening might be a little offended by this, but I'm saying it as someone who was first offended by it, you know, but one of the first things that I. I drew and one of the first images that came to mind, the.

The foot washing series was created in the heart of this global pandemic that we all experienced together. And, you know, I started my experience of that while I was living in America. I was based in California. I was studying there.

And so I sort of got a little idea of what it was like to navigate that pandemic in America. But then I had to. Because of the pandemic, then I had to come back and I ended up landing in Australia.

And we had quite a different experience in some ways of the way that the pandemic was navigated. And it was quite a hostile place to live in Australia during those years. There was a lot of tension and strong opinions clashing.

And it was a really tough time for everyone. No matter sort of where you stood on it, it was a tough time.

And so one of the first images that I drew after the originals was Someone who was like, pro mandates, pro vaccines, and then someone else who is, you know, pro freed and pro, like, you know, freedom to decide what you wanted to do with your body. And so you put those two things side by side, and that's a heck of attention. And people were literally in the middle of living it out.

And that for me, it was really real because I had lost my job like, two weeks earlier because of it. Like, it was affecting my life. And so when I first sort of saw those images, my first instinct wasn't, oh, I'm so excited to draw these.

It was like, lord, I don't know how I feel about this. You know, I'll do it if it's you, God. But anyway, obviously I felt convinced enough.

Or maybe just like my heart just in my life in general is, I would rather take a risk and hope that it was Jesus then be too afraid to look silly and then miss out on God doing what he wants to do, whether it's encounter someone or have a message out or whatever it is. Anyway, so I always tend to err on the side of, well, I'd rather look stupid and take this risk for the Lord.

So that was what I did, again with these images was just simply, okay, Lord, I could be, like, shredded to pieces right now for this, but I'm fairly confident that this is your voice that I'm hearing. And so I want to just, I'll take the risk.

And yeah, it's interesting to me that you weren't looking to do this, and then you were flooded with. You said, you know, like a hundred ideas. What does that mean to you?

There are a hundred or hundreds or thousands of sort of opposing, polarized people who would have a very hard time with the idea of. Of Jesus washing their feet. I mean, what does that even say about where we're at with each other in this world and in faith that you could even be.

That you could even download that many ideas? That would be controversial.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think the thing that stands out to me is often as people.

I mean, why do I struggle to see somebody on the seat who would be making different choices or following different belief system? To me, I think because as people, we generally tend to make people's, can I say, behavior, choices, lifestyle, their identity.

And so if I'm seeing, oh, that person there, their choices are their identity. And my identity is I live like this. And your identity is you choose to live like that. Suddenly we don't. We can't do life together.

We don't fit together and surely there's only room for one of us on that footwashing stool. But actually, when I can take a step back and say, oh, my primary identity.

Everyone's primary identity is that we are a beloved child of God, that He loves us, that he is for us, that he has forgiven us, and everything else is more. These are choices that we're making, but it's not our primary identity.

Suddenly it feels like there's a whole lot more room on that chair for everybody instead of just the people who look like me or who, I think the ones who Jesus would.

I don't know, support seems like a weird way to put it, but, yeah, I think we need to start separating out and seeing people rightly, with their true primary identity first.

What do you think it means if someone is struck by one of the images that you've created and they can't actually picture someone they don't like on the chair? What do you think that's an invitation for them to realize?

Yeah, I mean, to put it plainly, I would say it's probably a heart issue, because the only time that I. And I say only time, as in, like, there's lots of times, but the times that I struggle to see someone, there is.

Because actually something inside of me is hurting and I need God to encounter me first. And so I need God to tell me how he sees me. I need God to walk into that situation and do some healing in my life.

And I think once I am healed and healthy, I can extend love in the way that God unconditionally loves me. Suddenly there's room for me to see that person in the same way.

Tell us a little bit about the time you've. We talk a lot around here about colliding with Jesus. This idea of, like, running into him and he runs into us. You see him in the New Testament. He.

He has these collisions with people where they're. They're left differently than when he first found them. And there's transformation that takes place, there's hope that's given forgiveness.

A person feels loved, release from shame, all of these things because of their collision with Jesus. I'm curious. You know, you started creating all of these and you. You clearly had a sense of.

I know that Jesus, like the Jesus that I've collided with, I know that he loves all people. I know that he calls them beloved. I know that he forgives them.

Like, tell us a little bit about your experience and collisions with Jesus leading up to this. That made you sure that you could put anybody on that seat and they deserve to be there.

Oh, man. Again, I'm just going to dive straight off the deep end into something that's really challenging.

But I've done a lot of work and I have seen persecution of Christians and that really, really, really hurt my heart. It was so painful to see, to hear the stories, to hug people, to pray for people, to see things that were really tough to see and experience.

And I think I left there with a real heart, like a, you know, God broke my heart for the persecuted church, but it was an uneven break because what I at the time, the first few times that I went, yeah, my heart was broken for the people who were persecuted, but my heart wasn't broken for the persecutors. I was mad, I was offended. I really struggled with the people who were doing the persecuting and.

But going back again, the Lord's like, guess what they need most? Jesus. You know, guess like, this is the answer. This is what both people need. The persecutor and the persecutor. What do they most need?

An encounter with me. And so I think that changed a lot for me, where I was like, okay, the answer is always Jesus.

Like the no matter who it is, no matter, like, even objectively, if I'm looking at someone, I'm like, you're making some really terrible, painful choices. What do you most need? It's still Jesus.

And so I think now I in some ways feel it's a lot easier for me to naturally see somebody on the sea, even if they're hurting me, offending me, even if I disagree strongly with them and what they believe or what they're standing for. But I keep coming back to, okay, but what do they most need? What do I most need as well? What do we almost need? It's an encounter with Jesus.

Like, they need to be sitting on that foot washing stool, letting him wash their feet. They need to hear who he says that they are. They need forgiveness. They need identity.

Like they need all these things and there's only one place they can get it, and it's Jesus.

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You know, we're going to get going down a real good bunny trail here. It's going to be good. But it makes me think about. We actually just did a conference in Portland, Oregon on Luke 15, the.

The famous, famous story of the lost son, right? But what we did was we really looked at it from a.

From a perspective that I don't hear a lot of people talk about, which is why Jesus told Luke 15 in the first place. So Jesus is at a party in that passage, and he's hanging out with, you know, the rowdy crowd and, you know, the sinners, if you will.

And some of the religious people have a real problem with it. And so right in front of the sinners, quote unquote, they're like, why are you hanging out with these people?

And here Jesus, like his entire mission, like his life and his death, was to come and help humanity know that they're fully loved by God. And so he's sitting there in this party, and that's. With his presence, that's what he's trying to do, is help these people know they're loved.

And right in the middle of him trying to do that are religious people who are like, why would you hang out with these terrible, awful, no good, ugly sinners? And that's when Jesus actually busts into the whole story of the son who's lost.

And, you know, he asks for inheritance and he takes off and he ends up spending it all and he ends up in pig slop. And he has this come to a sense moment and he stands up and he turns around. He's like, I'll just come back and maybe be a slave for my father.

And as soon as he turns around, it's like the dad's waiting on the hill. Dad's been waiting on the hill for a son each and every day. And he sees his son, he goes and runs to his son, embraces him.

You all know the story, right? And, and then you have this older brother who in the story has a real problem with the father throwing the celebratory party.

And it's so fascinating because the older brother in the story is exactly like the religious people in the room at the party where Jesus tells the story, right? And so I think what's so interesting is really, there's so much division, so much polarization. That's why your art is going crazy.

And we live in this time and in this culture where we all draw lines on who we will and will not hang out with, who we will and will not love, who we will and will not give our time to. And you saw this back when Jesus was colliding with people, right? Where he's like, wow, religious people. You.

You love my message when it applies to you, but not when it applies to the people who don't live and look like you. And so I'm saying all that because I want to bring up this sort of thought that it's interesting to me that you were having a hard time.

Your heart wasn't breaking for the people who were persecuting the church. But then you're also creating art where you're making the church, the people of God, you're making us have to pray.

God, break my heart for the people who aren't like me, who don't look like me, who don't believe like me, who I don't agree with, who I don't share the same values.

And that is something that, since Jesus walked this fine earth, has been a very hard thing for religious people to be able to do, which is be in the same space and show these people love. So I'm curious as I. You made me think of all that. How does this Jesus who really challenges his people, how does that inform your work?

Yeah, gosh, I love that you brought up that Gospel passage, because it's something that I think about often as well. And, you know, if I think I love the story of the prodigal son, I also, at the moment, am very convicted by Jesus calling Matthew the tax collector.

And he calls him and he says, follow me. And then they go and they eat at Matthew's house. And it says, and there were many tax collectors and sinners there.

And everyone was again doing the same thing, murmuring, oh, my gosh, what's Jesus doing eating with the tax collectors and sinners? You know, that's crazy. I think what we can presume sometimes is that Jesus only sat at tables with people who started to follow him. Right. And we can.

But if you read that passage, we only get confirmation that one of those tax collectors and sinners encountered Jesus and then changed their life and followed him. And it was Matthew. It doesn't finish the passage with anything like, and then they got up from the table and they all started following Jesus.

It just doesn't. That's not in the Scripture. And I think we're in danger of. And maybe they did, but maybe they didn't.

And so I think it's dangerous for us to try and interpret that ourselves and say, oh, well, it's okay that Jesus sat at a table with these sinful people because it led to them changing their life. But actually we don't know that.

And I think that Jesus is humble enough and willing enough to encounter us as an open, free invitation that we choose to respond to or not after that. And so I think again, this makes room for anyone to sit down on the metaphorical foot washing stool and be encountered by Him.

And we should be really thinking hard about whether we put conditions on meeting Jesus. Like, oh, you don't get to have an encounter with him.

You don't get to come to church, you don't get to sit at this table, you don't get to be a part of this conversation. I don't want to know you until you look like Jesus, then you've got permission to reach Jesus. That's not how Jesus works.

He finds all of us in our mud, in our mess, as we are running down that prodigal road and coming home and he cleans us up. But we still get to decide, even after that, what do I do with this encounter that I've had with Him?

What do I do with the freedom and the restoration that he's offered me? Do I still want to go back out after the feast wearing my Father's good robes and the ring and everything?

I can still go back out to the pigpen if I want to. I have free will. I get to decide. But I think when we start to look and see, oh, but Jesus gives us free will and his love is not conditional.

And it doesn't depend on how we respond to him as to whether he would offer it to us. It starts to change who we would feel comfortable interacting with, I think even well.

And if you look at what really ticked Jesus off most, I mean, it's people showing up to that party who are questioning why people who've been far away from God are sitting in his presence. And that's actually what ticked him off, you know, so you're being used to tick people off for good reason. I love it so much, Jessica.

And I'm really curious what you're hearing. I mean, are you hearing stories of people who are their hearts breaking, they're changing how they're living?

I mean, I'd love to hear some of the stories that have come into you that have made your jaw drop.

Yeah, it blows me away. And I think it's especially powerful because the people who I draw for the most part are not like specific people.

They are representing a kind of person or an outlook or, you know, they're representative of a personal people. So it blows my mind when I get a message and I say, someone says, oh, that's my real story. Like, that's me.

I am that man who has struggled with depression for such a long time, But God encountered me in this way.

Or, you know, I am that person who was working in the adult entertainment industry, and I had this encounter with Jesus, and he healed me and he rescued me. Like, these are. I'm not drawing specific people, but God is reaching specific people, and they are seeing themselves in the artwork.

And so it really blows me all the time where to hear the way that God is impacting people's real life through this artwork. Like, it's not just something that people look at and get on with life. It's actually leading to people having an encounter with God.

And I think some of my favorite messages that I receive are from people where they say, I was in.

I found myself in this really difficult situation, and instead of, you know, getting really angry or judgmental or doing something that I would regret, I asked myself, okay, I need to see them sitting on the footwashing stool. You know, and it's become this tangible thing that people are using as a.

As a tool, I think, as God intended for foot washing to have a real impact on people's lives still today.

Hmm. I'm thinking about people listening who maybe don't believe they're worthy to be on the stool.

Yeah.

What would you want to say to them today?

I would say, crawl your way onto that stool. Whatever it takes.

Even if, you know, I have a picture, and it's one of the most popular ones, I would think, and it's of a girl who is just curled up beside the stool, and then Jesus is sitting there, and he's ready to wash her feet, and she's curled up next to it, but she can't make it on. Like, she's so just ravaged by anxiety and, you know, whatever it would be that you would resonate with when you look at that image.

But in the next image next to it, then Jesus has come around, and he's sitting with his arm around her, like, right next to her. And I think that Jesus is so willing to meet us where we're at.

And if the closest you can get is, like, the floor next to the stool, just make it there. Jesus will make. Like, he will meet you where you can get to. And, you know, there's sort of.

I think some of us would feel unworthy to have Jesus wash our feet. And then some of us would maybe think, oh, I've. If you need forgiveness from something.

Like, especially if you've got like a repetitive sin in your life or something. Sometimes you can feel like, like, man, I've already sat down on that chair 20 times this month.

You know, like it feels hopeless or pointless to sit down again. Like, would God still have grace for me if I came back to him again and said, God, I've messed up again.

I know that the last time I was here, you gave me forgiveness and I said, lord, I'm determined I'm never going to do that again. And then you walked away and you did it again. God's mercy is infinite. There is not a certain.

You don't get like three strikes on the chair and then you're done. Like, it doesn't have an expiry date on it. You can come anytime that you need to. It is still open for you every single day.

Sometimes I got to sit down, sometimes I've got to sit down on that chair like twice a day. You know what I mean? Or it's like, oh my gosh, I've just yelled at someone not once, but twice in the same day.

And here I am again, Lord, like, I've really messed up. Here I am. I need you again, you know? And he's never once met me with disappointment, anger, mockery. Like, this is a kind father.

And when we understand that the Father is the Father that we see in that story of the prodigal son, that he is not mad, he is not looking to punish his son for being away, but actually he's moved by compassion and is just, just stoked that he has come home at last. When you're convinced that that's the God that you are going to meet, you don't run away from the Father. When you need help, you run towards him.

And so I think also just a practical thing, like if you're struggling to come to this foot washing store, I would say actually have a look at who you think the Father is. And if you think that he is someone who would be angry at you, who would, you know, one strike and you're out.

I would say open your Bible, find the places that say, who God the Father is. Who God is, What is his nature? How does he respond to people? How did Jesus, like, read the Gospels? How did Jesus respond to people?

Like, that is still who he is and you don't need to be afraid of him. He is like, just, he's looking for you. He's out on the road, he's looking for you to come back to him. And he's just excited to have you home.

Jessica. I think so many people have a wounded view of who Jesus is because of their wounded experiences that they've had with some of his people.

There have been people who rep Christ who have made it very clear that they're not worthy to sit on the stool.

And so what do you, what, what do you think about all of that sort of this responsibility we have as Christ followers to really with our lives, be repping the Jesus who would actually wash the feet of those who are nothing like us. What, what do you have to say to us?

Oh, look, I think one of the, one of the things that Christians maybe could grow in the most is the ability to say sorry to people. And again, like, I think sometimes we say we take an unconditional love and we make it conditional. We say, oh, God loves you, but only if you change.

Or God loves you but he didn't like that thing that you did. Or he like he loves this part of you, but not this. I'm like, yeah, encountering Jesus is going to transform your life.

I don't look the same now as when I first met Jesus 20 years ago. I look very, very different. And I think that he is transforming me and convicting me in new ways every single day.

Yes, his love will transform you, but his love is not hinged on or contingent on my transformation. It is just. Yeah. And yeah, again, hear me rightly, he wants, wants to us to encounter him and then he wants that love, that love should transform us.

That is what he wants. But also, yeah, it's not conditional.

And so I think there are a lot of people who are walking around who have these wounds from Christians who I don't know either well meaning or malicious.

I don't know what it could be, but either, you know, have they've heard from a Christian, ah, God actually doesn't love you or he, you know, like you did this and so you're not welcome here. That's painful. And I don't think that we have always represented Jesus that well.

And so even if you're not the person who has knowingly hurt somebody, I think it's still powerful when we as Christians, when we can represent the body of Christ and offer an apology.

You know, I, I have a friend and she lives a very different lifestyle to me and she recently put on social media that she'd gone to a rally and then there was a certain church was there and they were like saying really hateful things and like she felt really mistreated by this church. Or these Christians. And I just thought, oh, my gosh, I'm just gonna take a risk here in. And say that I'm sorry. Like, I wasn't there.

I'm not even in the same country as my friend, you know, like, and yet. And I just, I wasn't sure how she was going to respond to me. Like, it could have made things worse. It could have. I don't know.

But I just felt like, man, someone's got to say sorry for that because it's probably not going to be the people who did it, you know, so someone's got to start by offering some kind of like, like apology. And so I just took a risk. And so I just said really simply, hey, I'm just really sorry that that's how people are treating you.

No one should be treated like that. And on behalf of Christians, I just want to say I'm sorry. And I don't think that that's who Jesus is. And I was really thankful, relieved to.

She said, oh, wow, that was a really unexpected message to receive. Thank you so much. That means a lot. And I just thought, man, I feel like as Christians, we should do this more.

And we do have the ability to, yeah, I represent myself in my walk with Jesus, but I also have the. I represent the whole body of Christ as well. Like, I am part of something larger.

And I think it is within my ability to also, when I see someone has a wound from church, from Christians, from pastors, whoever, to actually say, hey, on behalf of those people, on behalf of Jesus. I don't know if that's a good way to put it, but I'm sorry, that's not who he is. And I hope that you meet the real Jesus. Yeah.

You know, you are the creator of. I mean, you're the host of Flipping Tables Podcast. You've been a missionary. You lead Salt and Gold Collection.

You're known for this foot washing series. When you think about us as Christ followers going out.

And obviously I'm not going to actually probably take people's shoes and socks off every day of my life and wash them. I mean, I can, and if the Lord tells me to, I will.

But what do you think a life symbolic of that looks like on a daily basis to be the kind of person where you truly are, emanating who Jesus was in that moment and what he would do by this sort of humble service towards others?

Yeah.

Oh, I think it can look at so many different ways because you are like you say, I mean, there have been a couple of rare moments where I have literally washed someone's feet, and it has been extremely powerful. And I've had people wash my feet, too. And that moment, that really holds something special. And it's not about the water on my feet.

It's about the Jesus that I am encountering through that experience. And so that same Jesus is the same Jesus who I can encounter without the basin, without the chair, without the water. It's the same Jesus.

And so I think the way that we represent him can look so many different ways. It can look like seeing somebody instead of walking past them, you know, on the street or something, instead of ignoring them.

Like, how did Jesus treat that person? He would have looked them in the eyes. He would have stopped. He would have talked to them, he would have provided for them.

There's things like this, practical ways that we can serve. There's also, again, I think an apology goes a long way.

When someone has been hurt by a Christian or thinks that they've been hurt by Jesus, an apology can go a long way. It looks like radical forgiveness.

It looks like seeing my enemies, and instead of getting revenge on them, I want them to have an encounter with Jesus. I want to still treat them with dignity. I want to forgive them quickly. It can. Oh, gosh. I mean, it can look a million different ways.

It's just through representing Jesus well to people. Honestly.

Man, Jessica, I didn't know that it would feel like you were a preacher too. You're just out here with so much. Just gems of wisdom, and I love everything you have to say.

I know that people listening are going to want to go and check out what you're doing. How can they best find you?

Yeah, the hub of our community is on Instagram, and so it's a pretty long name, but @saltandgoldcollection. That's where you can find me and the whole community. And we would. You're so welcome to join us. I create lots of different kinds of artwork. Actually.

The footwashing series is the main thing, but there's other kinds of artwork in there. There's opportunities to pray for each other in the community. I'm currently in the process of writing a book and releasing a book, which is crazy.

So there's more than the foot washing series in this community.

Jessica, thank you for listening to the Lord in your kitchen. Thank you for being brave and bold. Thank you for giving him your.

Yes, you're being used to truly impact not only the people who need to hear about Jesus's love most, but the people who are called to show it. So thank you so much.

Oh, thank you. And thank you for hosting me for this conversation.

And today it is the same Jesus who we are encountering and who we are representing today.

Amen to that. Thank you, Jessica. Hey, friend. I hope that you enjoyed that time with Jessica. Before we hop off for the day, I wonder if we can just take a moment.

I know that life is busy and we have long to do lists and we have places we have to be and people demanding our time, but I wonder if we can think about ourselves on that stool sitting there and Jesus is extending his hands and putting them in a basin and he wants to wash our feet. And I wonder right now, what are the things that make you feel like you're not worthy enough for that? Could you name those right now?

Could you allow Jesus's love and grace to wash those feelings of unworthiness away? Could you allow him to show you his love? I also wonder if you can picture that stool.

Who's the one person right now in your life or people group that you don't want to put on that stool, that you don't want to serve, that you don't want to touch, that you don't want to be around.

I wonder if spending a little bit of time with Jesus and looking at who he touches, lepers who he hangs out with, absolute gluttons and drunkards and the irreligious and people far from God, people who don't think like him, look like him, believe like Him. I wonder if you spend more time with him, would it make you capable of wanting to serve the people that you haven't been willing to spend time with.

This is our challenge, friends.

Our challenge is to collide with Jesus and not just experience his love, but to let it change us so much so that we become more like him and then we can show his love to everyone we collide with. So I hope that that challenges you you today. I know it challenges me. We'll catch you next week.