National treasure? More like an international treasure! Hiram & Solomon is sold worldwide as the official cigar representing Freemasons. Hear Masonic theories debunked, Freemasonary history revealed and fake cigar ops foiled. What’s the “Da Vinci Code” on the cigar brand founded by Masonic Brother, Fouad Kashouty? Find out with Boveda’s Rob Gagner from Fouad and his wife, Romy for a smoke at 2021 PCA in Las Vegas. 

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- So if I went to the White House, found the cornerstone

it's gonna have... - [Fouad] It has the...

- The Masonic symbol on it. - [Fouad] Masonic symbol

on it, yes.

- This sounds like a scavenger hunt.

- All the U.S. presidents until the last one

that we know Obama, were Masons.

From Roosevelt to count down in the government

they were all Masons, Freemasons.

- Don't ask me ... - All the Kings of Europe.

- How many times like my husband has been taking me

around the world when we're traveling to find those symbols.

- Yeah. - It's a passion, it is.

- I would wanna find it too, it's like a fun scavenger hunt.

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- Welcome to another episode of Box Press.

I'm your host, Rob Gagner with Boveda.

I'm at PCA 2021 and I'm sitting across

from Romy and Fouad of Hiram & Solomon Cigars,

you might recognize it because it has

the Freemason logo on it.

Thank you guys so much for joining me.

So the idea behind Hiram & Solomon

actually came out of just doing a cigar for a Freemason

for basically raising funds, correct?

- For charity, for a scholarship, yes.

- And were you picked for this just because your knowledge

of cigars or how did that end up happening?

- When I was I mean, I became master of my Lodge

after many years of serving and stuff

then became a secretary of a Lodge.

And I had the privilege of going back to the minutes

that existed in the Lodge from the late 1800, 1860.

And there technically it states that

before the meeting, cigars were distributed

and the meeting started.

And I don't find it as a surprise

because at that time especially, the people who joined

the Masons were only the rich and the famous

or the powerful, the elite, because they could

nobody else could afford to do such a thing.

Looking back at those records to join the Freemasons

at that time about $35, 1860.

Which probably comes up, equate to right now

with the inflation and stuff to about $45,000.

- Just to be a Freemason...

- [Fouad] At that time, yeah. - At that time

it would've cost you $35,000 in equivalence.

- If you say that, I mean most of them they were rich

or all of them, they were rich.

- Why did they do that?

Why would they want just rich powerful people

to join the group?

- They're very, what do you call it?

Handpicked, selective. - Selective.

- Selective who to choose to join, it's different right now.

- [Rob] Now anyone can join, right?

- Anybody could join, but it has to be of your own free will

and accord, you have to ask we never ask anybody to join.

You have to ask, you have to, two people have to sign

your petition, you have to be interviewed.

You have to go through many tests, many degrees.

You have to prove proficient in it,

and you go to the three degrees, Entered Apprentice,

Fellow Craft, Master Mason,

which bring us to our original line that we called

our cigars the Entered Apprentice,

which is the first degree, our mild cigar.

The Fellow Craft is the second degree, our medium cigar and the Master Mason is

(indistinct chatter)

- What's that?

- When you fully mature...

- Yeah, when you're fully mature you become Master Mason.

- Absolutely.

- So that means a fully mature cigar.

- So what happened is during the meetings,

we used to go downstairs and share a smoke

with the brothers.

Everybody had cigars, we had some scotch or drinks.

And the idea, I always dreamt about having a cigar

that has a Masonic symbol on it, and always searched for it

and never found anything in the market.

You can find anything but cigars in the market

at that time until now.

And where we needed some money for scholarship

the idea hit me I said, "Why we don't roll 1,000 cigars?

We sell it."

We needed $5,000 and by the sell of the 1,000 cigars

in one week, we made $5,000.

We donated to the charity, we did it again

another large herd of us.

And it's still at that time, still it was a hobby.

We're very proud just holding the cigar in my hand,

holding our symbol and then not until

the first cigar lounge called and they say,

"We heard some Masons are here asking for the cigars,

can we get it?"

And that was seven years ago when the whole thing turned

from hobby and into a part-time job, into a full-time job,

double full-time job.

- [Rob] Double full-time job.

- And now quadruple, five-time job

because we're both involved in it seven days a week now

and nonstop and...

- So you both are working full time...

- [Romy] Yes, we are. - For the brand?

- Yes, that's our life technically right now.

- Did you ever think it was gonna able,

to be able to sustain your lifestyle?

- You look for it I mean, you miss it.

It's just a few days you complain

we're tired of an event here, another event next day.

Third day, when you're not doing any events

or you're not doing the socializing of the cigar,

you just miss it.

- [Rob] Yeah. - That's what happened

when the COVID started we were literally,

the first week we were like,

"Maybe we needed this break a little bit."

And then after a week you know, you'd go cold turkey

you just miss people, miss the whole buzz around the cigar.

So we had the backyard in the house, the first week

we were doing our cigar ritual in the backyard.

Week two, I was sitting on the front porch.

People who are like, even his brother used to call us like,

"Are you guys crazy?

Why are you sitting on the front porch,

what happened to the backyard?"

We're going like, "I miss talking to people."

After two weeks, every dog and every neighbor

with our friends would stop and talk about the cigar.

Why do we wanna be in the backyard

when everyone's just feeling miserable

because there is no life?

Because of COVID right?

This was March 12th when things started going on lockdown.

After one month, everybody would stop our same time.

What, like a cigar?

We were just talking to people walking

their dogs, walking just by, it was just all of a sudden

back to normal life.

- I wanna be you guys' neighbor, while I walk my dog

I pick up my cigar, say hello how are you doing?

- It's help me create a certain again, you can always go bad and dramatic

or just talk to people, and that's what we did.

Because cigar is an element that triggers that social life,

like we said.

- What's interesting about that is that you said

everyone shifted from the backyard to the front yard.

In America, the front yard used to be the socialization,

the front porch, see everyone else in the community.

And we got so much of that, that we got sick of it.

And we wanted to retreat to the backyard

to have our own opportunities, to just relax and not be

basically interacting with people.

And it's so funny

that you said... - [Romy] I know

an American roadblocked that. (laughs)

- Right, but it's so funny that you say like,

"We went from the backyard to the front yard so we could get

the exposure with the neighbors."

- We know each and every one's name now, and the dogs

and where they come from.

It just like every day, and people were like,

"You were not here last week."

Oh yeah, we went to see the family somewhere else.

It's just funny and great.

- So you actually met

probably people you've been living next door your whole life

or this whole time, and now you know them by name.

- That's right, by name.

- We know them, we know even about their brothers

who's having a surgery about...

- Yeah, they would stop and talk,

some of them they didn't smoke cigars but they liked that

they could just talk with someone and we would sit there.

Sometimes it was too hot like in July, in New Jersey

mid-July it gets a little hot.

I still prefer to be in the heat, see people,

interact with them.

And it's true we will ask, "How was your brother's surgery?"

Or one of them had an intervention, a heart intervention.

Is he okay, is he doing well?

Come back again and let us know about it.

- So did you put out chairs, like the typical COVID chairs

on the front lawn?

- The first week... - That's what we did. (laughs)

- When they announced the six feet apart thing,

one of his friends came, I have even photos of that day.

- His name is Robert also.

- Robert Molly yeah, he came and he miss seeing Fouad

and they were sitting on one side of the car.

We had the car parked outside the garage,

so one side was Robert the other side was Fouad,

I was taking the photo on top of the porch.

It was so funny but they were respecting the six feet thing.

- [Rob] Yeah. - He was smoking his cigar.

- He bought a tape measure actually and he goes like,

"All right, my wife told me you can only do this

and I needed proof.

- And I want to smoke, I need to smoke.

He just sat there, they all smoked...

- It was funny.

- [Rob] I love it.

- Robert, but the growth of that I mean,

going back to your question, the growth of the company

was so much not anticipated, we didn't never anticipate

where are we gonna be.

And every penny made as a profit or something was put back

into inventory because we needed to keep up with the growth

that we had that again, we never imagined that

we're gonna grow so much in such a little time.

- [Rob] Right.

- I call it like a premature baby, it was born.

Doctors were not sure the baby will survive, normal.

Like it's a premature baby.

But then that baby was so smart and then he started walking

at the age of nine months, talking and doing all that thing.

And well, we're not even being able to catch up with that.

- But you just have to keep feeding it.

- [Romy] Right. - Keep growing it,

keep nurturing it. - The baby was growing

and he needed to go to college when he was 12

and we were not even ready to send him to school yet.

- That trust fund has not been set up yet.

- That's right, but that premature baby is making us

so proud, so proud.

- [Rob] That's so good.

- You have literally that example in front of you.

- Were some of your neighbors

during this COVID front yard socialization thing,

were they surprised that you were in the cigar business?

- Yes.

- Yes. - Absolutely.

- I mean they look at us, at the beginning they looked at us

as though we're an alien probably, it was just like,

"What do you mean you make cigars and stuff?"

Yeah we do make cigars, and we say really.

And they wanted to know about it and...

- Every day there was a new episode...

- So there was always new questions, and new stuff,

"What you're smoking now?"

Even though they're not smokers, "So what you're smoking now

what's the story behind that cigar and stuff?"

So intriguing a lot of people actually.

- We got few times also, we realized also in nature,

bumblebees love cigars.

- They do?

- You discover a lot of things being in the...

- It's the aroma.

- The minute we lit the cigar, we had bumblebees

and it was all on the top of it.

And I go like let's put it away, they're there.

They'll put it back, they're here.

It's amazing so just they know, probably they know

we have very good cigars.

- The smell of the flowers, the bouquet the...

- The bees are very smart creatures, you know that right?

- The aroma is just phenomenal, I'd be attracted to it too.

- Probably soon we're gonna have some smoked honey.

(laughing)

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, there you go, smoked honey.

- That's good for business,

that's a good idea right there smoked honey.

- Heard it here first.

(Fouad laughing)

Get a trademark quick.

- That is there, right? - [Rob] Exactly.

- July 11. (laughs)

- So in that process of teaching people, did you get anyone

that was now interested in becoming a Freemason?

- Yes, we did absolutely, absolutely.

- [Rob] Really? - Yes.

- [Rob] Did they sign up with your Lodge?

- Not just our Lodge, what happened it's through the cigar

and again, it wasn't planned for.

When you sit in a cigar lounge questioned at

what you are smoking, you go like this,

"Oh I know the symbol, my father was a Mason I wanna join,

but I never know what to do."

Or I was intrigued.

And we start getting also emails, texts through social media

and everything that, "I wanna join,

I never know what to do."

Throughout the world, almost 400 people now joined

because of the cigar, we were able to put them

in a specific Lodges in their countries or cities,

and to encourage them in a way and to see the result of it.

I was technically bribing them in a way,

if you finish your first degree, you let me know

you send me proof, I will send you

the Entered Apprentice Cigar.

You do the Fellow Craft, I'll send you the Fellow Craft.

You do the Master Mason, I'll send the Master Mason cigar.

And all of a sudden I've been mailing cigars after cigars.

(laughing)

- Celebratory cigars as you achieve your milestones.

- And surprisingly, I mean many

even our retailers became Freemasons also.

And more surprisingly many of the major brands owners.

I don't wanna say who I will tell you after,

are Masons, Freemasons themselves.

- Wow, unbelievable

that's so much connection. - I'm talking major,

major brands. - Yeah,

so many connections.

- And on daily basis, they interact with us on Instagram,

on Facebook, that's the fastest way they can get to us

or at him at least.

And there is always like a quest or curiosity,

like a question in general.

But a lot of them directly one, like we don't know

how to join a Lodge.

There are countries where Freemasonry is very...

- Secretive.

- Yeah it's a top secret, kept like taboo kind of thing.

It's not a taboo, but they just don't like to talk about it.

So they used to ask Fouad, where we can join,

How we can join?

Do you know someone we can?

- Yeah, it's not like it's advertised like you said,

you guys aren't advertising like.

- Never advertised, never asked...

- The difference with like the Knights of Columbus,

because I grew up Catholic,

it was like it was kind of advertised, like you should join

you should be a part of this.

Freemason, I wouldn't even recognize a building

unless it had the Masonic symbol on the outside.

And isn't it true, some of the buildings

don't even wanna put the Masonic symbol on the outside.

- Especially outside the U.S. you will not find

a Masonic symbol in front of a building.

- [Rob] Why is that? - It is just as I said,

a secretive or taboo or considered...

- Is it kind of considered a threat

to the internal government or something?

- No, actually we don't, and our obligation is

we support the government of the country that we live in

and that's how we take our obligation.

It doesn't mean we support dictatorship or anything.

And we don't discuss politics unlike what people think.

We don't discuss politics or religion.

- No politics, no religion. - And no religion.

So we accept you the way you are, whatever you believe in.

- [Rob] So it's not a Christian base?

- It's not Christian-based, it's not Muslim-based...

- [Rob] Not Jewish. - Not Jewish, no it's not.

- It's a monotheist, you have to believe in one God.

- You have to believe in one God,

that's the first requirement, you have to believe in God.

I don't know who your God, but one God.

And we call him as a universal name, the Grand Architect,

who is the guy who designed the world.

- Which is this.

- Which is this cigar named after that.

- The Grand Architect.

- Yeah, which we made it the powerful corojo...

- Double Ligero. - Ligeros

to denote technically that strong...

- This sounds like a rabbit hole

I could get down real quick.

The Architect, the Grand Architect,

why did you use corojo?

Because it's powerful, because like I love this.

This is the stuff that I love to just read about.

- Each one of our cigars name denotes technically

either an experience or a degree, or some kind of teaching

that as Masons we are taught, or we keep on teaching

at the same time too.

So each one. - It's so cool.

- Like the Traveling Man, which is this one here

the one with the purple band.

So one of our teaching is for a Mason to always look

for the light.

The light for us means the truth, the knowledge,

and the light always rises from the East.

So we say, we're traveling to the East

I mean, we're looking for the knowledge

we're looking for the light we're looking

for the truth. - Enlightenment.

- Enlightenment, so we are called also a Traveling Man.

So if I'm gonna ask you are you a Mason?

I can ask you the same thing, are you a Traveling Man?

So that's where the name come from, Traveling Man.

And what we did with that exactly cigar,

we put four different kinds of tobacco in it

to technically show that you need to travel from East, West,

North, South, the four corners of the universe

towards where we supposed to be.

- Is it challenging to try to build a cigar based

on that premise because... - [Fouad] Very,

very challenging. - Now you have...

- [Fouad] Very challenging. - To go seek tobacco

from North, South, East, and West?

- Very challenging, very challenging, but so far we did.

We succeeded and we keep on doing it also.

But as we go, we talk about more cigars coming

and why that was named that.

- Who's making these cigars for you?

- Most, all our cigars besides two lines

are done at the Plasencia Factory in Esteli.

- Plasencia? - [Fouad] Yes.

- They have a lot of tobacco from East, West,

North, and South.

- Yes, and that was one of the reason

because they have really reached to many tobaccos

and stuff like, yeah.

The last two lines that we did, Cigars for Warriors

and another cigar called the Curamus,

are done at the PDR factory with eight florists.

- Yeah we had the Cigars for Warriors cigar when I talked

to Storm on another episode of our Box Press.

So if you haven't reached that one,

go see the Cigars for Warriors, how cigar saved my life.

Great interview, great cigar by the way.

- [Fouad] Thank you.

- As well as these I mean, phenomenal.

Romy, I have to ask you, because Freemasons is for men only,

what does it mean to you to be married to a Freemason?

- Well my father was a Freemason and he was a Freemason

in Beirut in Lebanon, and it's a top secret thing

to be a Mason there.

They don't tell you about it, they don't talk about it

you will never know...

- They didn't tell you about it even?

- No, I knew it because there were some meetings held

in the house, but I knew that I shouldn't even tell anybody

that my father is a Freemason.

- [Rob] Your father? - Yeah, my own father

my proper father, yeah.

- It's very secretive outside the U.S.

- It's very secretive, even in Europe.

- Is there a reason why that is?

- Is it what?

- Is there a reason why that is?

- I don't know, even in Europe up until now in Sweden

if you look and ask anyone, "Where is the Masonic Lodge?"

It's not even on Google, if you Google the Masonic Lodge

in the United States, you just say Masonic Lodge near me

you're gonna find all the Masonic Lodges addresses.

In Sweden, in Stockholm, even in Denmark, in Copenhagen,

we were looking for, he loves to visit them.

And we were trying to Google, right?

There is nothing on Google in Sweden

that shows a Masonic building, or Lodge.

- We had to physically

to search. - We asked people

the would all say...

- Get in touch with some people that got in touch with us

that are Swedish brothers, I will call them

and for us to find the place.

But they don't like to advertise it.

Now in Europe, specific let's say in Germany,

and Austria, and Italy during World War II,

they were part of the, they were persecuted

and yeah part of the whatever genocide or the...

- Holocaust. - The Holocaust and stuff,

so Masons were killed because they were getting

the symbol or something.

That's why the German Masons do not wear

the square encompass as you see, they wear what they call

the small flower, forget-me-not flower, the blue one.

And until now, so and Soviet Union, the same thing

they were fought badly in Soviet Union.

China right now does not allow any Masonic Lodges.

Even in Greece sometime, the Greek Orthodox Church fights

the Mason and does not allow their members

to be part of the Masonic group

and if they know they will excommunicate them technically.

But things are changing definitely and why is that?

I have no clue.

- So yeah coming to that, when I met him

it's also by chance, I realized that yeah

I'm meeting a Mason.

So I found in my house in Beirut, I remember that my auntie

had some, a box that I left there.

I said, "Remember there was a key, it was a certain key,

like a metal nice key, do you still have it?"

She said, "Yeah, it's in the box."

So I sent, I told her to ship it to the States.

And then when my husband saw that and he goes,

"Oh, your father was a Grand Master at some point."

And because you know, there are like signs

or some secret things there.

(Fouad laughing)

So weird right, things happen for a reason sometimes.

And I met, it's an amazing organization meeting each

and every one of them trying to be better people.

And as much as they can support each other,

it's a really good thing.

- Masons in general, most of their work

is technically nothing but charity.

We operate as the Shriners, if you're familiar

with the Shriners at all.

Shriners, you have to be a Mason to become a Shriner.

So after you take your third degree,

you join different subgroups.

One of them is the Shriners,

one of them is the Scottish Rite and Knight Templars

and different other groups.

The Shriners operates 20 hospitals in the U.S.,

few in Canada and Mexico, and they're totally free

for whomever cannot afford, and from all over the world.

They bring kids, there are pediatric kids for burn centers

and with pediatric, they bring them with their family.

They feed them, they keep them until they're healed

and they send them back.

Shriners alone from all the other Masonic groups

they do almost $3 million in charity daily, on a daily base.

And then you have the Scottish Rite,

which they do the dyslexic centers free also for everyone.

And different groups take care

of different kinds of charity that's on top

of Masonic Lodges, doing scholarship,

helping communities' food banks, and all other stuff.

Which most people do not realize that

and we do not advertise it also.

I mean, we do not advertise but I'm talking about it.

But it's good sometimes to bring it up to the thing.

- But it's also important to highlight the fact that

it's for everyone,

not necessarily... - My mom was a nurse

for a Shriners Hospital.

And it just kind of warms my heart hearing that story,

because she would say that there's no cost

to these families...

- [Fouad] Yeah no cost. - And they need help.

- And not necessarily a Mason, the family.

- Right no it wasn't, you didn't have to be a Freemason

it was anybody who needed help.

- And their top resource center for burn and pediatric,

unbelievable the work they do.

- Absolutely, so amazing to see how many people...

- And that's what it brings to the Shriner cigars

that we have, that we created.

We try to put as much tobacco in it

to show that universality of the Shriner.

And we ended up putting six different...

- Regions. - Regions in it.

- And countries, five countries.

- Five countries, six regions, so...

- Five different countries and six regions

in the Shriner cigar.

Which by the way, should win a packaging award

from halfwheel because the package, the box is literally

a Shriner hat that comes off with the tassel and everything.

It's phenomenal, if you haven't seen it look it up online.

It's absolutely gorgeous.

- And that was created for when we did

the first international meeting for the Shriners

and we created those boxes, and they went tremendously well.

- [Rob] Unbelievable. - It gets raffled sometimes

in events or something, and so seeing the person

who won that piece gets so emotional.

- [Rob] I know. - You just look at it like,

"Wow, I've done something small myself."

We participated in making that person that happy you know,

it's exciting, you see the excitement in their eyes.

A week ago one gentleman, he renovated the kitchen

in his own Lodge which is in, which state was it?

- In Montana. - In Montana.

And as a reward, they just wanted to thank him

and the Lodge gave him one of our boxes,

it's a bone box of the 300th anniversary.

He came just to tell us he just didn't want anything

but when he received that, he couldn't thank them more.

He couldn't feel like more appreciated for the job

he has done, he didn't take any money to renovate

that thing, the kitchen.

And he got the box that meant so much to him.

And he was expressing it.

- And he came, he was here and he was telling us the story.

And many stories like this

that we hear and... - It is just like,

little details that make somebody so happy.

- It shows us that for whatever the reason

we created this company, it did serve the purpose.

Because when I get a Mason

who's been 15 or 20, 30 years Mason,

and he smokes that Master Mason cigar,

and I get a text from him or a message saying,

"It took me back to the experience when I had my degree

to that night where everything happened to me

and it just made me so delightful."

That text by itself for me, it keeps me going.

So, it's beautiful,

it's something no other cigar company has.

We all have great cigars, everybody in here

has great cigars. - [Rob] Right.

- We have something that different that as I call it,

we never invented cigar, we never invented Masonry,

but we mastered combining both of them together.

They're both brotherhood, cigars it's a brotherhood thing

it's a sisterhood.

And the Masons, the same thing too, combining them together

was the blessed technically that anybody can even dream of.

- Absolutely.

- And although the female gender doesn't really exist

within the Lodge, within the organization itself.

But the respect that Masons Freemasons around the world have

for that lady, for the wife, or the sister, for the mother

is tremendous, it's very high.

So probably this is the only time I don't hear,

why women are not Masons?

All female who belonged one way or the other

to a Mason family, they come to us with,

"Oh my God, my grandfather, my grandpa, my brother,

my father-in-law, somebody in the family.

They just come to us and telling us about their story

about this, the history behind their you know,

approach to the Masons or to the cigar itself

it's so amazing.

- Yeah, so it's felt.

- Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

- To the relationship with your husband,

or father, or brother. - Oh yeah,

it kind of took it deeper

in the passion. - Robert,

our motto is we take good men and make them better.

We try to make them better person for themself,

a better father, a better husband, better brother,

a family person, better citizen, and that's our goal.

And if we do that with even the few of us,

we accomplish what we needed to do.

- I asked my husband one day,

how come you don't have meetings on Sunday?

It's because that's the only day where everybody's

you know, he said it's against the policy

because it's family day.

- It's God's day, family day.

- It's a family day it's God's day, God is your family

that's it, you go to your family.

Nothing comes before your family, no matter what obligation

you have in your Lodge you still have to attend

your family event before anything else.

- Family, business, then Lodge.

- That's how... - Family, business, Lodge.

- [Fouad] Then Masonry.

- So you need your business to take care of your family.

- If you would not do it in this order

you're not supposed to be here.

- It's interesting, are most Masons

involved in some sort of business,

or does business translate to just your work?

- No, I mean, you'll find all kinds of...

- They don't have to own their own business or be an entrepreneur.

- No, no, no all kind of walk of life,

we have everything from janitors to senators,

to U.S. presidents or kings and everything.

- All are Freemasons?

- All of them I mean, our first Grand Master in the U.S.

is George Washington, so Ben Franklin, most of the signers

of the constitution, General Lafayette

these are all Freemasons. Eisenhower.

- So is a lot of what it takes to get to the next level

of being a Freemason, almost historical education,

do you have to know the history?

- Self-improvement, self-realization of who you are

and self-empowerment, and of course you got to put

some work on it to, and when I say some work

I'm not talking about anything secretive

it's to serve your brothers, to serve your community

to serve, make sure that you're a good family.

And that's how you advance.

- Do you have to study?

- Yes, there is some studies absolutely to be done, yes.

And some testing after the studies even, like a school.

(Fouad laughing)

You have to prove yourself.

- Continuing education.

- Continuing education, and what we say is you get out of

the Masonry what you put in

you don't wanna put in anything,

you're not gonna get anything.

So you're not gonna, you're not there.

- It's nothing material. - Yes.

Yeah, you don't wanna empower yourself,

you don't wanna learn, not much we can do for you.

- So what level have you achieved?

- I'm personally a 32nd degree Mason.

- [Rob] 32nd? - Yes.

- [Rob] Degree Mason.

- The highest you can go is 33.

- 33 is the highest? - [Fouad] Yes.

- So after you hit Master Mason, you have 33 more.

- 30 more, 30 more degrees, yes.

But now the third degree is the ultimate for everyone

and it's acceptable, after that it's more

and a different group of the Scottish Rite,

which take you from the three to the 33rd degree.

- Okay, so can you achieve the 33rd degree?

- Yes it's... - More work to be done.

- More work to be done, more time you're gonna spend

you gotta prove to yourself definitely.

And many, many, many years of work.

- Now, as far as the charity aspect of this,

is there a charity aspect to this brand?

- [Fouad] Yes, every cigar.

- [Romy] Every cigar we have.

- Is it a certain amount or is it at freewill

to your discretion when you feel like it's needed?

- It's all free will but technically we,

every events that we do we give back at least a dollar

for the specific event.

On top of it, at least 10% of the profit, dollar per cigar,

at least 10% of our profit goes to charity.

Some of the charity that we chose like

the Cigar for Warriors is 100%,

we don't make a penny out of it.

And some other like the Shriner, for instance,

it's much more than that, so far in our short existence

and this is our seventh year, over $120,000 were donated

to charity, and we are a small company.

We're not a big company.

We're on our way to become one of the major brands.

- We're loud, but we're not that big.

- But yeah, so we're proud of that.

We do whatever we can. - [Rob] That's wonderful.

Whether it's monetary fund or donation of cigars for them

to raffle off, or employing those people sometimes,

which is not counted as a charity, definitely

but it does help.

- And when we also have a special line,

apart from the normal line that we had the regular line,

which is the Enter Apprentice, Fellow Craft, Traveling Man,

the Master Mason, we do have something called

the Grand Master's line now.

So we were first approached by the Grand Master

of New Jersey, Worshipful Master Gregory Scott,

he was smoking his cigar there, and also he chose

his own charity, which is a dyslexic center.

And we donated $10,000 a month ago, two months ago

to his charity.

The next one was the Curamus, which is the new Grand Master.

- Talk about that.

- Yeah, the Curamus...

- The creation of the name and...

- Well yeah again, it's the line of the Grand Masters now.

And they also choose their own charity.

we asked them to decide where they want the donation to go.

And Monacelli, Worshipful Master Monacelli, decided to have,

his motto was we care for each other.

And then we created in Latin Curamus means, we care

and Cura itself means cure, we care to heal.

So the new line is the Curamus the one that we rolled

in the Dominican Republic, and a broadleaf Pennsylvania.

It's an amazing cigar going so well, doing great. Full body.

And that's the second to our line of Grand Masters.

The two coming upcoming ones

are the North Carolina Grand Master and the Georgia.

And we're hoping this domino effect will help us

even be more involved in philanthropy and in charity

because those lines will be even higher in the experience

and the participation in charities.

So those lines are gonna be the new Grand Masters line.

Well, hopefully worldwide, hopefully.

- When we say Grand Master I mean, let me explain

a little bit, every state has a Grand Lodge,

which has the Grand Master and the Grand Lodge oversees

all the Lodges in that state.

And each Lodge has a master, so we have the master,

the Lodge, the Grand Lodge, Grand Master,

which changes some state one year,

some states it's two years.

So this is where the Grand Masters now start realizing

that they can use us.

Whether for charity or to promoting the Freemasonry

at the same time, and that's why we're coming up

as she said right now, two new Grand Masters

and the Scottish Rite also... - So we already

have four cigars,

four different Grand Masters already existing.

And then we've been having everywhere in the world,

also inquiring about what do we do?

What should we do for the next Grand Master thing?

- Are you guys distributing the cigars to Europe

and all across the world? - Yes, we are.

- We're in about 30 countries right now, in this pandemic

the last six, seven months we opened up Russia,

Serbia, Dubai, Beirut, UK, Switzerland, Belgium.

And on top of all the islands, would it be in a...

- There are official distributors there's already in most of

the countries we already told you about.

And then we have something...

- We are even in Malaysia and Singapore.

- India is gonna be our next market,

it's just about logistics.

It takes time to register, to do the proper homework

before we go in the market there,

- Now are people able to only buy these

from retail smoke shops, or can they buy them

at the Grand Lodges or the Lodges themselves?

- No, everything is through retail shops

beside one specific cigar right now we sell it through

the Curamus, the Grand Master of cigars.

It is available for retailers but we do sell it online also.

And the purpose for that is just to collect

as much as we can, so we can, the more we collect

the more we donate also.

So it is sold at the full price, it's not discounted

at our website, just one line and that's it.

- And we don't sell on our proper website

because of the respect that we have for the retailers.

They do a great job they're also investing

a lot of their money, their work, their time.

It's out of respect a lot of people go,

"Why didn't we go like online during the pandemic?"

That's how we support the retailers,

if we were selling it online we make more profit,

it's sure definitely.

And it was so easy just to post it and ship it.

But you know, we have always shook hands

with those retailers, they traveled they came to us.

We met them during these big events

we need to respect that too.

- Absolutely, to support the brick-and-mortar stores

we're big at that also.

- Let's talk a little bit about that retailer opportunity

you had an imposter distributing cigars

underneath the Freemason label and you had to go,

you were so dedicated that you went and captured

all those cigars and bought them back on your own dime

to not ruin the brand, how difficult was that for you?

- It was difficult.

I mean, seeing it at that time it was like,

"What's the next step?

What should we do?"

I know we were confused what to do, whether we let it go

or stop, but we knew if we let it go, more is gonna come.

So what first thing we did is registered the rights

for the Masonic square and compass and the G on the cigar.

So we were the only company now we do that.

And we commissioned whomever it can be, go buy everything

we have in the market.

And I found out that actually the guy who was a Mason also,

who did it.

- He was a Mason?

- He was a Mason that find out without him knowing probably

that we existed or he knew, I'm not sure.

And he asked permission he said, "I have few inventory left,

please give me 90 days to sell it out."

And we did give him 90 days to finish what he had

we didn't want him to lose at the same time too.

- So we cannot control the quality, it wasn't about just

the square and compass itself.

- The way we found out about it, it's some of the people

who's rating cigar got in touch with us

"Stogie Press" actually it was the one.

She said, I've got a cigar it's your cigar

but I don't find any information out on your website.

So automatically people related that cigar to us.

And that's how we saw it and we investigated and stuff.

- There's nothing against anyone, the thing is

how it's related to your name.

That's the reason why you don't, you're not sure

about the quality, you're not sure about

where the brand is manufactured.

- That'd be very confusing for the consumer.

You know, it's like coming out with knock-off Cubans,

very confusing. - [Romy] That's right.

- Very hard. - Yes, yes.

- Well maybe also, the best qualities or the best,

the biggest brands, they always have a fake.

Maybe we're at that level already.

- Yeah there you go, take it as flattery.

- We have our fakes now, it makes us proud.

- It feels differently but you know, whatever.

- See the positive side of it.

- Actually, I just received a text today from a brother

in Arizona, sending that he saw a cigar with the G on it.

And he was like, "This is not yours,

do whatever you need to do."

I just got it.

- Just today. - Yeah, right now.

- So now you're on another quest to figure out.

- Today 12:48, yeah.

- Who's doing another... - So I have to find out

who did this now is send them a nicest, sweet letter first,

saying please change it. - Some of them

they don't know, some do not know.

- Yeah, some don't.

- Some people try to do something new, they don't do

their research before, then they realize.

- It's ignorance, is what it is.

- We did get couple of calls, a couple of texts saying

"I'm gonna do this only for our Lodge."

And they did ask permission saying, "Can we put it?

And it's gonna be only for our Lodge,

it's gonna be 1,000 cigar for our charity, is that okay?"

And absolutely it's okay, go ahead and do it.

Then we send them that it's okay to do it as long as

you're not gonna market it or come close saying that

this is a Hiram & Solomon or...

Don't create the confusion for consumers that

this is Hiram & Solomon Cigars.

- I have to ask the name, Hiram & Solomon

what is that originating from?

I'm ignorant of that.

- No, you say that it's your field, it's an Old Testament.

- Old Testament, Solomon is no one but King Solomon,

King of David, who God commissioned to build his temple.

And the Old Testament say that King Solomon

when he was ready to build the temple

under the order of God, he sent to the neighboring country

the City of Tyre, which is existing in Lebanon right now,

south of Lebanon.

He was a very powerful king, very rich,

he asked for his help, and the mountains in Lebanon

were full of cedars, huge cedar trees.

And he asked for the timber and cedar tree

to build the temple.

So King Hiram, King of Tyre answers back.

He sends them all the laborers, he sends them

over and on top of it, he sends his chief architect,

which his name happened to be also Hiram,

but he was known as Hiram, the widow's son.

So that's Hiram King of Tyre, Hiram, the widow's son,

and King Solomon.

Masons took that story and build it into our, that legend,

built it into our teaching where Solomon

was known of his wisdom, so wisdom.

King of Tyre was known for his power, so strengths.

And Hiram, the widow's son, the architect,

he built buildings, so beauty.

So wisdom, strength, and beauty,

those are three major teaching of Freemasonry.

And that's why you see some of the Scottish Rite buildings

and stuff that they're huge buildings.

Most of the buildings in the world the castles,

or even the Congress in the U.S. the White House

they're all dedicated as Masonic buildings.

- Even the White House?

- All of them, when they...

- Masonic buildings? - As a Masonic commission,

they were ordained in a Masonic fashion to be built.

So the cornerstone has the square and compass

on it, until now.

- So if I went to the White House, found the cornerstone

it's gonna have the Masonic symbol on it.

- [Fouad] Yes.

- This sounds like a scavenger hunt.

- All the U.S. presidents until the last one

that we know Obama, were Masons.

From Roosevelt to count down in the government

they were all Masons, Freemasons.

- Don't ask me

how many times... - All the Kings of Europe.

- Like, my husband has been taking me around the world

when we're traveling to find those symbols.

It's a passion, it is.

- I would wanna find it too, it's like a fun scavenger hunt.

Hey, by the way. - It was more challenging

when we traveled to the countries where the Masonic symbols

were not exhibited or created like here.

- How did they hide them then?

- There's always a sign. - Are they still on there?

- They're, there, yeah. The cornerstone is hard to find.

They should be there I mean, I'm sure if you take a tour

or something, definitely, if you read about it, definitely.

Definitely, yeah, but most of the signers

of the constitution were Freemasons.

- I don't think the White House will let me in,

hey by the way I'm here.

- I'm just looking for the cornerstone.

- Just the cornerstone.

- Fouad told me it's here somewhere. (laughs)

- I know this guy he's a 32nd he told me

to come here, come on.

- And I believe him.

But yes, The Statue of Liberty itself was donated

by the Freemasons to...

- That was a gift from Paris.

- From France yes, by the Freemasons.

- By the Freemasons. - Yes.

- See they leave that out part of the story you know,

this gift from France.

- But also Freemasons do not talk about what they do.

They just do and move on.

- Yeah, that's it, that's kind of nice.

- They don't take the pride of, I need to be known

for doing this or that. - But most,

a lot of famous people throughout the history from musicians

to Leonardo DaVinci, Einstein, Bach, Beethoven,

these are all Masons. Mozart.

Most of the play of Mozart has Masonic degrees in them

you will not see them until you are a Mason.

And you went through the degrees to see that play.

The Swan, "Schwanengesang" by Mozart, it's a Masonic play.

And many, many, many others.

- Unbelievable, in order to get more into it...

- Buzz Aldrin. - Yeah.

- Mason. And let's just say that there's also a cornerstone

with a Masonic symbol by the American flag on the moon.

- By where? - On the moon.

Because he was the second person who went on the moon

and there... - Holy cow!

- He put the Masonic symbol there.

We conquered the world.

- All over, all over.

- A lot of people ask me, "You guys control everything

in the world?" - Nothing, but the universe.

- We don't control everything,

we control the most important parts.

(laughing)

- There you go.

- But people have that idea about Masonry,

much more than what we really are.

- The more secretive you are, the more intriguing it is for people.

- Now why most of the Kings and generals and stuff

are Masons? Beat me, I don't know. I have no answer.

All the Kings of England, they were Masons.

Every King of England, before he became king,

ordained as a king, he was supposed to...

- Prince Philip was I mean...

- Each king, each English King, they were Masons.

All and most, all Europe's prince and emperors,

even the Middle East King Hussein, Algerian and Algeria.

Everyone, they were Masons.

- Wow, unbelievable.

- Unbelievable, thank you so much both of you for bringing

obviously this brand to life, the exposure,

the opportunity on our behalf as Boveda to work with you,

we appreciate that.

- Thank you, thank you,

we do believe...

- Well that was

well it was one of our, also we were so proud to have Boveda

and kind of a partnership with Boveda in a way.

It was great, and we even had people like,

"How did you manage to have a Boveda sticker on your boxes?"

Then I go like, "Because we are great cigars."

- And because we know Rob.

- They believe in us,

we believe in them.

- We know Rob.

- And we know Rob.

(laughing)

- No, seriously.

- We were very happy you know,

our first shipment that came right now actually

is with Boveda, has the Boveda stickers on them

and they're all displayed at our place right now,

and we're very proud of that actually.

And we feel it gives it, takes it to another class.

That attention to detail, this is an attention to detail,

a commitment to the customers to deliver those cigars

in the perfect way possible.

And we do believe in this product,

I personally use it myself definitely.

And way before I started this even.

- Yeah, we use it on our...

- So soon you will see a For My Humidor poster coming up

from Hiram & Solomon.

- We'll be proud to do that...

- Why not maybe a special Boveda cigar.

The business woman is here.

- There, now we're talking.

(laughing)

I appreciate you guys both.

Romy, Fouad, thank you...

- Appreciate the opportunity actually for us being here.

- Thank you so much for telling your story

this is just the beginning of the story, you guys.

There's gonna be more to come because there's just too much

to cover here, you've heard so many stories

I hope you get an opportunity.

They can go to hiramandsolomon.com to find out more

about the blends.

- About the blends, about our story.

- And about your story, and then can they also see

what retailers carry your cigars?

- With a ZIP Code, yes.

- Yes our website, you put your ZIP Code, it'll give you

all the retailers around you.

- And you can follow them on Instagram,

Hiram & Solomon Cigars.

- We're gonna soon probably have a small section also

about our relationship with Boveda...

- [Rob] Wonderful.

- Why do we love Boveda.

Yes, we do use Boveda on a daily basis, in our boxes

in the house, I don't even use anymore any distilled water

or anything in all of my humidors.

I just put my Boveda there,

all the way.

- No mess.

- We should actually, believe it or not there were a couple

of people that we know in Saudi Arabia actually...

- Yeah, they were having a shortage of Boveda.

- That they have a shortage of Boveda, we sent them a box

over there, we shipped it to them.

- Oh, thank God.

- Yeah, during the pandemic with the lockdown happening

they couldn't find it.

- You were helping

them protect their passion.

- You owe us more Boveda!

- What do you want from me?

They said, "Boveda." Sure, okay.

- They always also ask us the percentage they need to buy

and I just try to explain to them, if you're just seasoning

or if it's very warm, like my son lives in London

and the houses in London are quite warm and hot in a way.

When I lived there, I lived in my house it was too warm

and I kept the window open all the time,

because it was too warm.

So I used my Boveda to regulate that all the time.

I didn't need to worry about when I'm traveling,

what's gonna happen to my cigars.

They were always in great condition.

- People always ask me that, how come temperature

doesn't matter with Boveda?

And I'd say the same thing about you have central air

or a furnace for your home, right?

So the relative temperature is 77, you turn on the AC

and it drops it down to 68.

And what keeps it there is the furnace or the AC.

Boveda uses salts... - [Romy] Humidity level

is the most important part.

- To keep it right at 69, so if the temperature goes up,

Boveda starts to engage and keep it

at 69% relative humidity. It's amazing.

- Excellent product, and no wonder you guys always win

the product of the year with "Cigar Journal".

- [Rob] Yeah right.

- I vote for it.

- I appreciate that, I voted for you.

- [Romy] Thank you, so much.

- Congratulations as well

on those nominations.

- [Fouad] Thank you.

- And again, check out Hiram & Solomon Cigars online.

And if you need Boveda to protect those cigars,

go to bovedainc.com.

Thank you guys, so much.

- Thank you, Rob... - Thank you

for the opportunity.