It's been a minute since I last hit publish on a podcast episode, but I'm happy to be back!
This recording is actually from a Twitter space that I hosted on mental models and frameworks in preparation for an Innospiration newsletter (subscribe here to receive future curations and access the archive!).
I loved the discussion so much that I decided to share this wonderful content-packed audio here. This may be part of a new release model along with more traditionally produced episodes.
I share quite a bit about the benefit and purpose of mental models and frameworks, why they are essential in understanding and shifting our perspective, and give a bunch of examples that inspire deeper analysis about the way that we think!
My friend and talented coach Fabiola Segovia also shares a thorough walkthrough of a fascinating detailed coaching energetics framework that she uses in her practice that you can immediately apply after listening to this episode.
Fabiola Segovia - Certified Business Coach
Framework Contribution (visual reference) : Energetic Self-Perception Chart
Fabiola uses this particular framework in assessments with clients and is certified in this methodology. Check out more of her offerings here.
Innospiration 10 - Thinking Better with Mental Models - newsletter & resources on mental models
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P.S. Quick update not in the episode - I'm 6 months pregnant!
Hello, and welcome back to the everyday innovation podcast.
Jordan:I'm Jordan It's been a little while since I last released a podcast,
Jordan:but this one, this one recording, I had to share with you all.
Jordan:This is actually from a Twitter space.
Jordan:And I just loved the content of this so much that I felt this
Jordan:needed to go in the podcast.
Jordan:So this may be my new way of releasing.
Jordan:There may be some that are in studio and there's going to
Jordan:be some that are in spaces.
Jordan:I just wanted to preface.
Jordan:I love this topic.
Jordan:This is mental models and frameworks.
Jordan:I wish I could have gone a million miles deeper on this, but there's a whole lot.
Jordan:That's packed into this episode.
Jordan:And coming up, there is a whole mental model framework that I've
Jordan:been working on over the last year.
Jordan:Um, that will be detailed out in a series that's going through September.
Jordan:You can find that on everyday innovation.io.
Jordan:If you subscribe to get the newsletter, you can also go and galaxy dot every
Jordan:day, innovation.io to join our community.
Jordan:And of course, follow me on all the social media I'm at Jordan
Jordan:Anyway, I hope that you enjoy this.
Jordan:I have a friend that joins us to share a little bit about a coaching mental model
Jordan:that she loves and uses in her practice.
Jordan:Fabiola Segovia is her name.
Jordan:Make sure to check the show notes and I hope that you enjoy this recording.
Jordan:Hello, Twitter friends for the purpose of this recording, and to allow
Jordan:for a couple more people to join.
Jordan:I'm going go ahead and quickly introduce myself, a little bit about what mental
Jordan:models and frameworks are to give some context, and why I'm talking
Jordan:about this particular topic now, as it relates to everyday innovation.
Jordan:So my name is Jordan Divecha and I'm a tech founder, venture advisor,
Jordan:and multi passionate creator with a platform, everyday Innovation, made
Jordan:to connect creator entrepreneurs that value high- signal venture and self-
Jordan:development, resources, connection, and strategy mixed in with a little fun.
Jordan:I love to create and curate timeless topics that bridge across industries,
Jordan:areas of life, especially in the Everyday Innovation newsletter.
Jordan:So, covering mental models and frameworks is pretty much a no brainer as it
Jordan:threads connections between brain, strategy, ventures, impact decisions,
Jordan:and really just our daily lives.
Jordan:And because mental models are really universal because we have brains and
Jordan:we think as humans, we can learn from one another and share that connection.
Jordan:So anything that we talk about today will be featured in the
Jordan:next, in innospiration curation.
Jordan:So innovation- inspiration- creation newsletter, which is coming out next week.
Jordan:So if you are listening after.
Jordan:You can go to, everyday innovation.io or on the circle community, galaxy . everyday
Jordan:innovation.io to listen to this, or you can also check out the newsletter,
Jordan:whether it's come out before, after, if you don't get it in your email inbox,
Jordan:and you're listening to this a little bit later, you could actually subscribe
Jordan:and then access it after the fact- so you can access the full archive.
Jordan:What are mental models?
Jordan:Mental models are really how we understand the world.
Jordan:Not only do they shape what we think and how we understand, they shape the
Jordan:connections and opportunities that we see, mental models really are how we simplify
Jordan:complexity, why we consider certain things over others, and how we problem-solve.
Jordan:A mental model is really a representation of how something works.
Jordan:We can't keep all the details in our brains, right?
Jordan:So we use models to simplify the complex into understandable
Jordan:and organizable chunks.
Jordan:Learning to think better is a huge piece of how we can navigate the world
Jordan:in a more 3D, 5D, 7D kind of way.
Jordan:The quality of our thinking is proportional to the models in our head
Jordan:and the usefulness of the situation at hand, the more models you have, the bigger
Jordan:your toolbox, the more likely you are to have the right models to see reality.
Jordan:And if you can bridge that across different disciplines, if you can
Jordan:get curious and learn from others and their mental models, from their
Jordan:expertise, that's how you can make great decisions because variety does matter.
Jordan:Most of us are specialists.
Jordan:Instead of having a great lattice work of mental models, we have
Jordan:a few from our discipline.
Jordan:We see something different.
Jordan:, I'll give you some examples.
Jordan:An engineer might think in systems, psychologists might think
Jordan:in terms of incentives, right?
Jordan:Behavioral incentives.
Jordan:Biologists, evolution.
Jordan:And when we start putting these disciplines together in our head,
Jordan:we can learn a lot from one another and we can walk around a problem
Jordan:in a way where we can see it from all different kinds of angles.
Jordan:That's where our perspective shift happens.
Jordan:And we can also identify any blind spots we have.
Jordan:Those blind spots are the things really that can block innovation.
Jordan:I'm gonna give you another example that I love.
Jordan:This is from an FS blog report.
Jordan:When a botanist looks at a forest, they may focus on the ecosystem.
Jordan:An environmentalist might see the impact of climate change.
Jordan:A forestry engineer might see the state of tree growth.
Jordan:A business person might see the value of the land.
Jordan:Nobody's wrong, but none of them are really able to describe
Jordan:the full scope of the forest.
Jordan:Being able to share this knowledge, learning the basics of other disciplines,
Jordan:would lead to a more well-rounded understanding that would allow for
Jordan:better decisions about managing a forest.
Jordan:So really when we're thinking of building our toolbox- sometimes that's tech,
Jordan:sometimes that's people in our community, and sometimes it's mental models.
Jordan:When we look at the events of our world, we look at patterns of behavior,
Jordan:we look at the structure of a system.
Jordan:Mental models are really the why, the reason why we have this
Jordan:kind of structural architecture in the way that we think.
Jordan:And that's something that we share as humans, and that's
Jordan:what creates our culture.
Jordan:So getting a little meta to observe them and consciously choose them is
Jordan:like choosing your OS for your system.
Jordan:You're able to really look at the decisions that you're making, combine many
Jordan:different disciplines, ways of thinking, and approach a problem in a new way.
Jordan:So why am I talking about this now?
Jordan:Basically.
Jordan:There is a newsletter coming out that will be covering this, but it really does
Jordan:highlight the foundational aspects of anything in every day innovation, right?
Jordan:The way that we see the world in many different areas is the way
Jordan:that we approach, we innovate, we create in our unique way.
Jordan:So it's something that will always underlie most of the content that I
Jordan:create anyway, and coming up, I am working on an OS system that will work as a
Jordan:mental model, an architecture framework, for you to design strategy within.
Jordan:So this is a really great introduction into some things that
Jordan:I'm working on, but I wanna talk more about some mental models.
Jordan:I see in here, I have Fabiola who is a wonderful business and life coach.
Jordan:I'll share some after as well.
Jordan:We'll go back and forth, but I really want to bring her up and have her
Jordan:share what she uses in her business.
Fabiola:Awesome.
Fabiola:Well, first of all, thank you so much for having me here today.
Fabiola:I'm excited.
Fabiola:So one of the tools, that's a tool that I was trained on when I got certified
Fabiola:as a certified professional coach, this energetic self-perception chart.
Fabiola:And what it does is it really simplifies how we use our mind, how we see life.
Fabiola:And so it is broken down into seven different levels and broken down into
Fabiola:seven different ways the mind will go.
Fabiola:So first it'll be a thought, and then your thought's going to create
Fabiola:an emotion, and then based on that emotion, it's gonna affect your results.
Fabiola:And I love sharing this with all of my clients, whether it's through
Fabiola:one, on one or group, everybody who works with me, it's not an option.
Fabiola:We go through it because it really, especially for those who are more
Fabiola:logical or who need evidence to level up, understand, like, how do
Fabiola:I understand this new concept or how do I change this personality trait?
Fabiola:Or how do I become better?
Fabiola:A lot of times it's because we're stuck in a specific perspective.
Fabiola:And when we see these seven different perspectives, we then see,
Fabiola:oh, I've been playing this role.
Fabiola:And so at the bottom of.
Fabiola:Seven levels.
Fabiola:It's the victim mindset and it goes down to like different types of energies.
Fabiola:And when I say energies, I don't mean ooh, like magic.
Fabiola:Let's just, I'm talking about like actual energy that you use.
Fabiola:Everybody uses energy.
Fabiola:Like right now I'm using energy to hold my phone.
Fabiola:I'm talking, you're talking, you're moving that type of energy.
Fabiola:And so we're creating energy all the time.
Fabiola:And based on our thoughts and feelings, there are two different
Fabiola:types of energies and it's either catabolic energy or anabolic.
Fabiola:Now, when I first learned this, first of all, I was never a science wizard.
Fabiola:it was one that's like my weakness.
Fabiola:I never did well with science.
Fabiola:So I didn't know these two different terms, but people who are very
Fabiola:familiar with science or especially if you have studied medicine.
Fabiola:There are actually hormones that we create too, as well in our body.
Fabiola:So catabolic hormones, they basically are the deteriorating hormones.
Fabiola:And then anabolic hormones are the growth orientated hormones, which is
Fabiola:cool because as you're understanding this, you're like, oh really?
Fabiola:And you Google it and you look it up and it's, that's what it is.
Fabiola:And so catabolic hormones are gonna be like adrenaline, cortisol.
Fabiola:Like those.
Fabiola:Those hormones that are released when you're like, "oh my God, I
Fabiola:need to-- this is due tomorrow.
Fabiola:I need to get that done."
Fabiola:Or, "oh my God I pro I'm procrastinating" or, "oh my God".
Fabiola:So a lot of times we're functioning like that, but we don't realize when
Fabiola:we're real, when we're releasing those types of hormones, what it
Fabiola:does to not only our mind, but to our body and to the results we have.
Fabiola:And I love this energetic self-perception chart because not only does it show you
Fabiola:the first two levels are catabolic levels and then three to seven is anabolic.
Fabiola:And so right away as when a person sees this, they naturally just
Fabiola:want to scale to different level.
Fabiola:Because it's not anything that's super "woo".
Fabiola:It's like very practical, very oh, this makes sense.
Fabiola:And this was actually created off the scale of consciousness from Dr.
Fabiola:David Hawkins, he has passed, but he wrote so many amazing books
Fabiola:and he was able to study how thoughts, emotions, and feelings.
Fabiola:How they connected with our body, with kinesiology, with vibrations.
Fabiola:Like he's the person who came up with that whole terminology.
Fabiola:And so I always love to weave that into my programs because if you're
Fabiola:new to the personal development space or you're new to, okay.
Fabiola:I wanna change a lot of times.
Fabiola:You don't know these things, you didn't hear about these things growing up.
Fabiola:And so learning about this kinda is the doorway to getting to that other side of
Fabiola:" oh, okay, wait, this is possible for me".
Fabiola:"I, I just thought it was impossible because I realized I had a limited belief.
Fabiola:I didn't even know what that was, but now I see this and this".
Fabiola:And so things just start to make sense.
Fabiola:And then people from there.
Fabiola:They can decide how they wanna go.
Fabiola:" Oh, I wanna become more confident" or "I wanna become more this or more that".
Fabiola:So it's like a guide to your consciousness.
Jordan:I just posted a tweet that was a reply thread to mine.
Jordan:That actually has the little visual.
Jordan:If you'd do you wanna walk through it?
Jordan:Really quickly and see, just since I have a little visual there.
Jordan:Yes.
Jordan:Yeah.
Jordan:So if people are listening later, they could check it out.
Jordan:You can walk through it.
Jordan:Just so if somebody's looking through it, sometimes it's nice to have
Jordan:somebody who's knowledgeable about it.
Fabiola:Yeah.
Fabiola:Yeah.
Fabiola:Oh my God.
Fabiola:Thank you for posting it.
Fabiola:So when you first see this chart, I remember the first time I saw it, I was.
Fabiola:What this is, how am I gonna read this?
Fabiola:We read from top to bottom, left to right.
Fabiola:So the first thing you wanna look at is the center where it says self, and
Fabiola:you're gonna read it from one to seven, if you see them in the colored dots.
Fabiola:So those are the different levels.
Fabiola:So, level one and level two, those are the catabolic energies that
Fabiola:I mentioned, level 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.
Fabiola:Those are the anabolic energies.
Fabiola:And it's crazy because it's, I don't wanna say oh, your thoughts are creating
Fabiola:these types of hormones, but really, when you're in level one and level two,
Fabiola:and you're the victim or you're angry and you're having all this adrenaline
Fabiola:released, well, it's happening.
Fabiola:So anyway, so level one, the core thought is a victim.
Fabiola:So you can take, and another thing I forgot to mention when you're looking at
Fabiola:this chart, you can take any situation.
Fabiola:And you can take it through those different levels of consciousness.
Fabiola:And you'll put your hand on your face.
Fabiola:Oh, I was looking at it like this and it just opens your mind.
Fabiola:So we're gonna use one example.
Fabiola:Let's say that I text you Jordan and I call you and you don't answer.
Fabiola:And then I start thinking " I don't know.
Fabiola:I don't think Jordan cares about me".
Fabiola:Like maybe she's just not a good friend.
Fabiola:And then I see you post something online.
Fabiola:And then I'm just like having a pity party.
Fabiola:And so then my feelings are gonna be, I'm gonna be sad.
Fabiola:I'm gonna feel like, just a lot of like apathy, just not good.
Fabiola:And then the results from that is, it's lethargic.
Fabiola:I'm just gonna not be in the mood for anything, nothing.
Fabiola:And so in, within those circles, I don't know if you can see there's the
Fabiola:uh, the self, then there's a, like a, it's almost like a dark purple circle.
Fabiola:And then it's a blue, and another purple circle on the way outside.
Fabiola:So as the circles go out, they're getting bigger and bigger because they're, you
Fabiola:wanna imagine it at like your mind?
Fabiola:It little, and then it's opening and opening.
Fabiola:So level one is like a lot of tunnel vision.
Fabiola:There's a lot of ego, as you can see there in the chart, there's
Fabiola:a lot of there's no faith at all.
Fabiola:You are pretty much like an unconscious person.
Fabiola:You're not even, I'm not even aware that I'm saying these things.
Fabiola:And very needy, meaning I need others to fulfill me rather
Fabiola:than me doing it for myself.
Fabiola:And so right there, I'm just like the victim.
Fabiola:And I'm maybe telling other friends like, "oh sh I, I just don't know.
Fabiola:She just doesn't care about me."
Fabiola:and I'm just being the victim.
Fabiola:And then level two is where you move from victim to conflict.
Fabiola:So here is where the core thought would be to that example would be.
Fabiola:I don't know, I'm just like angry.
Fabiola:Like why is she doing that?
Fabiola:I did this for her and I did that for her.
Fabiola:And so the feeling would be anger.
Fabiola:And so this is where I start getting angry.
Fabiola:And then the results is where I start taking action.
Fabiola:But then the action is gonna be from like defiance and be like,
Fabiola:oh, I'm gonna unfollow her, I'm gonna delete her on Facebook, or
Fabiola:I'm gonna just not talk to her.
Fabiola:And then level three is where you start taking responsibility.
Fabiola:That's the core thought.
Fabiola:And so this is where you, instead of thinking, like "I'm sad or I'm
Fabiola:mad", you start saying, okay, I'm gonna take some responsibility,
Fabiola:maybe she's just busy with something.
Fabiola:Maybe she's working really hard at her business.
Fabiola:And it is like during the weekday and maybe she's, doing that.
Fabiola:Okay.
Fabiola:And the core feeling would be forgiveness and then action would be cooperation.
Fabiola:So this is where I am not being like quiet with you, or being angry, or deleting you.
Fabiola:I would talk to you or not come from that angry or victim mindset.
Fabiola:And then level four is the core thought is concern.
Fabiola:This is where I start having that perspective of concern for life,
Fabiola:where I really start to be like a humanitarian and I see that happen.
Fabiola:And then I'm like, "you know what?
Fabiola:Maybe she's just busy, maybe, I need to just give my time to X community,
Fabiola:or maybe I wanna volunteer here or maybe I wanna do a, a free master
Fabiola:class to give back to the community or maybe I wanna do, there's just at
Fabiola:some level of like kind of community".
Fabiola:And so the core feeling is compassion.
Fabiola:So here I'm tapped into compassion.
Fabiola:and then the results are gonna be acts of service.
Fabiola:So this is where let's say I go actually volunteer at a local
Fabiola:community that, lights my heart up, or maybe I'm giving back in some way.
Fabiola:I'm doing something to help the community.
Fabiola:I'm doing something to help others.
Fabiola:And then level five, the core thought is reconciliation.
Fabiola:And so at this level, this is where things really start to shift.
Fabiola:And I'm if this situation were to happen, I wouldn't even let it get
Fabiola:to that place of anger or sadness.
Fabiola:I would just understand that, she's an adult.
Fabiola:She has her life.
Fabiola:I have my life.
Fabiola:I have things that I have to do.
Fabiola:Oh, what do I have to do?
Fabiola:Oh, I'm gonna, focus on this in my life.
Fabiola:Oh, I'm focusing on these goals or, oh, I'm focusing on my own habits or, oh,
Fabiola:I'm focusing on all this inner work.
Fabiola:And so the core feeling is peace.
Fabiola:And so at this level I'm radiating a lot of peace and the results are
Fabiola:gonna be a level of acceptance.
Fabiola:So that's where, I'm not gonna be angry about the situation or sad "oh,
Fabiola:Jordan", this, and I'm not gonna delete her or, one friend her or anything like
Fabiola:that, I'm going to accept oh, this is just, for whatever reason, she can't
Fabiola:respond to my text or my phone call.
Fabiola:And there's probably a good reason for it.
Fabiola:And I'm gonna be focusing on other things in my life.
Fabiola:And then level six, the core thought is synthesis.
Fabiola:So this is where you really start to see things as "I am one with everything.
Fabiola:And you know what I am one with Jordan, has there been a time
Fabiola:when someone has called me or text me and I wasn't able to answer?
Fabiola:Yeah.
Fabiola:Okay".
Fabiola:And my feelings are gonna be at a level of joy.
Fabiola:And at this point, the results, a lot of the results that I'm
Fabiola:taking is from a place of wisdom.
Fabiola:And at this level, this is where you start to naturally inspire everybody around you.
Fabiola:A lot of times when people want to start working on themselves
Fabiola:and they want to help others, or they want to inspire others, the
Fabiola:best way to inspire others is to.
Fabiola:Work on yourself.
Fabiola:It so that when you get to this type of level, it just naturally happens.
Fabiola:And people are now coming to you asking oh, fab what are you doing?
Fabiola:I've just noticed this and this about you and this and that.
Fabiola:And then level seven.
Fabiola:, this is a level that nobody lives at all the time.
Fabiola:If you were then you'd be just like, I don't know some angel or maybe Jesus.
Fabiola:But this is a level that everybody can tap into.
Fabiola:So the core thought is nonjudgment.
Fabiola:So this is where you tap into the thought of there's time is an illusion.
Fabiola:Money is illusion IST, an illusion.
Fabiola:Everything's an illusion.
Fabiola:Like nothing is good or bad.
Fabiola:It just is.
Fabiola:It only is good or bad when I judge it.
Fabiola:so there's no judgment here.
Fabiola:And the feeling is absolute passion.
Fabiola:And when you're tapped into, when you're not judging anything or as bad or good,
Fabiola:or putting all these labels, this is where you tapped into the absolute passion.
Fabiola:And when you're tapped into your absolute passion, this is where you
Fabiola:tap into that inner creative genius.
Fabiola:So this is how the iPhone was created.
Fabiola:This is how all of these amazing things that came into life that wasn't here
Fabiola:without a without it being created, like it didn't come from the earth.
Fabiola:This is how people tapped into that.
Fabiola:They were able to tap into their inner genius and then the results
Fabiola:is they create such amazing.
Fabiola:Things in life.
Fabiola:And so I like to call this as the "unicorn feels", whenever I tap into
Fabiola:this or it's like the unicorn oh my God, I'm gonna I'm so excited.
Fabiola:I feel like throwing up, like I'm unicorn type of feels and
Fabiola:it's where you just feel so good.
Fabiola:Like really good, like absolutely good.
Fabiola:And this is something that everybody can tap into, but if we're all the
Fabiola:way at the bottom and we're being the victim to a specific scenario, how are
Fabiola:we gonna tap into our creative genius?
Fabiola:If we are giving all of our energy To something that is so little, right.
Fabiola:And we're not opening our minds.
Fabiola:We're not, we're putting so much judgment and labels onto something,
Fabiola:we're not expanding our mind.
Fabiola:And so this is why a lot of times, if somebody is constantly complaining or
Fabiola:they're constantly upset about their life, and yet they're not doing anything
Fabiola:about it, they're just pretty much living at the level of a victim because
Fabiola:they're just constantly telling others like, "oh, this is happening to me.
Fabiola:That's happening to me".
Fabiola:And it's not to like, even judge that person.
Fabiola:It's just that maybe they don't even realize they're on like a negative loop.
Fabiola:Sometimes people can be on these loops because maybe they learn these behaviors
Fabiola:from their parents or grandparents, their teachers, a best friend, a partner, and,
Fabiola:growing up the truth is we, our parents didn't have this, these resources, our
Fabiola:grandparents didn't have these resources.
Fabiola:We didn't, we're just now getting to a place where we're really
Fabiola:waking up to history, waking up to thought, waking up to, oh, saying
Fabiola:that isn't inappropriate or, oh yeah.
Fabiola:Joking like that.
Fabiola:Oh, I didn't realize that.
Fabiola:I always heard that through here.
Fabiola:So I thought it was okay.
Fabiola:We're now becoming very aware.
Fabiola:So if you are listening to this and you see this chart and you're
Fabiola:like, oh my God, I've been here.
Fabiola:Don't judge yourself.
Fabiola:You have to give yourself a lot of grace.
Fabiola:Because, hello.
Fabiola:You're, you've just discovered it.
Fabiola:You didn't know this before and, now, that's the most important thing.
Fabiola:And another thing that I hear a lot from like clients, or like people, whenever
Fabiola:they discover this, they're like they immediately start, labeling the people
Fabiola:in their lives that are like that.
Fabiola:And the thing is.
Fabiola:When we do that, we're not seeing it from a level of compassion.
Fabiola:We're not seeing, we're expect, we're seeing them from a level
Fabiola:of they need to be perfect.
Fabiola:And the truth is nobody's born perfect.
Fabiola:Like we're being brought up in this world with all these rules, all these
Fabiola:society expectations, but nobody's telling us, the negative results
Fabiola:of thinking and being this way.
Fabiola:It's almost like mental dysfunction.
Fabiola:And so we have to really have compassion for those people, because guess what?
Fabiola:Once upon a time we were those people, we were those people.
Fabiola:So unless you knew this information from the minute you were like, I
Fabiola:don't know, born, and your parents are telling you this and, okay.
Fabiola:But that no one's been brought up like that.
Fabiola:So we have to have compassion for others.
Jordan:Thank you so much.
Jordan:That's actually a really beautiful walkthrough of.
Jordan:This model, and this is why I love mental models too.
Jordan:It may feel like a little meta at times to look through these things.
Jordan:But the truth is that's how we have evolved as humans, right?
Jordan:Like we've evolved out of this kind of need for the things that are very
Jordan:natural to us to survive, to to be in that victim mode, we really were
Jordan:victims of predators of other things.
Jordan:And we evolve over time and we start to learn more about ourselves,
Jordan:about the world, about each other.
Jordan:And as we build, our big.
Jordan:Collective knowledge bank of studying, life in and of itself.
Jordan:We get to, again, start to look at things with a little bit more detachment.
Jordan:When you see a lot of this, you get to see even across different
Jordan:types of mental models and different disciplines you get to see.
Jordan:Wow.
Jordan:Okay.
Jordan:That's something that I've subscribed to.
Jordan:That's something that.
Jordan:Applied in my life.
Jordan:That's a business strategy that I've applied.
Jordan:Business strategies are just as much mental models as the scientific method,
Jordan:as math, as the, psychological behavioral models, all of these things are just
Jordan:a product of us putting together and making sense of life in the world.
Jordan:So what I love so going back to yours I have this giant, collection
Jordan:of mental models that I have, and I just had them here also just to, to
Jordan:reference, but we're, what it reminded me of was little things that we have
Jordan:that are part of our human instincts.
Jordan:So we have things like.
Jordan:Tendency to over generalize from small samples, we have.
Jordan:The tendency to overestimate consistency of behavioral, the
Jordan:fundamental attribution error.
Jordan:So when you were saying, oh, Jordan must not like me because
Jordan:she didn't answer my text.
Jordan:Oh my gosh.
Jordan:She like posted something.
Jordan:A lot of times what we'll do in our relationships with others is we tend
Jordan:to apply it to their character as opposed to applying it to the situation.
Jordan:And for ourselves, we tend to apply much more to the
Jordan:situation than to our character.
Jordan:So what happens is a lot of misunderstandings, a lot of disconnection
Jordan:between us and others and ability to, negatively affects the impact we have on
Jordan:the world when we're thinking in these sorts of ways, because we're not giving
Jordan:other people, the grace and ourselves, the grace to say that these are things that we
Jordan:do, these are the things we do as humans.
Jordan:When we're looking at it from a more detached, more quote, unquote meta
Jordan:perspective, floating a little bit above you start to see all the moving parts.
Jordan:You start to be a little bit more compassionate and you also get to see
Jordan:This is just how the world works.
Jordan:It's not really personal.
Jordan:And the thing is some of the time we're gonna be wrong as well.
Jordan:There's gonna be things that happen in other people's lives.
Jordan:They have an entire other story.
Jordan:That for better or worse, doesn't always involve you.
Jordan:And it could be something so innocent, so completely, off the wall, they
Jordan:wouldn't have had any sort of idea.
Jordan:They had their phone on do not disturb and did not even see it.
Jordan:And it's the things that cause this mind, drama that take away from our potential
Jordan:creativity, like at those higher levels and impact because we're getting stuck.
Jordan:But yes, I.
Jordan:I absolutely love this.
Jordan:And I'm just like even looking through and getting like nerding out on some
Jordan:of it too, because there are a lot of models in biology that do support a
Jordan:lot of the flight, or like when you're getting into these lower levels, the
Jordan:flight or flight of mental model of how the body works and then putting kind
Jordan:of a mental structure around that so that we can start to understand if we
Jordan:understand how that works through a mental
Jordan:model.
Jordan:or Is there something.
Jordan:That I've been believing for a long time that maybe isn't completely true.
Jordan:One of the main things I think we see a lot is like confirmation bias, right?
Jordan:What a man wishes.
Jordan:He also believes sometimes what we believe, what we choose to see.
Jordan:So sometimes, those deeply ingrained mental habits, the energy
Jordan:conserving and comfortable things look for confirmations of your long
Jordan:held wisdom rather than actual.
Jordan:Violations of it or actual evidence of it.
Jordan:And then the opposite of that is really going through a process of saying okay,
Jordan:I have a hypothesis, I'm gonna test it.
Jordan:I'm going to, really make sure that this is true.
Jordan:Like testing, limiting beliefs, for example, doesn't always have
Jordan:to be the scientific method.
Jordan:It could be testing or limiting beliefs.
Jordan:It's to root out what it actually is, as opposed to just something
Jordan:that already feels very comfortable and true to us that may not be true.
Jordan:There are so many things that , that kind of fall, fall under this
Jordan:I'll pass it back to ologists.
Jordan:We can continue this conversation.
Jordan:Cause I think it is helpful across different areas.
Jordan:Do you notice that there are a lot of people who.
Jordan:In different areas of life, like maybe are experiencing things on different levels or
Jordan:they're having, like, how do you address them to move up through the levels?
Jordan:Other than just observation, like what are some other practices that you've given
Jordan:people to not only just become more aware, but move through these different spaces.
Fabiola:so there is an energetic self-perception
Fabiola:assessment that people can do.
Fabiola:And sometimes when they do
Fabiola:that it's, it's, it's cool because it's not a test, a lot of these
Fabiola:Myer Briggs or all these tests.
Fabiola:They're.
Fabiola:Their tests.
Fabiola:And an assessment is just it's almost like a snapshot of where you are currently.
Fabiola:So if someone were to do that, we'll have, they answer very specific
Fabiola:questions and it's, it gives you pretty much where you're resonating
Fabiola:at with the different levels.
Fabiola:And then from there, and I've done this myself, it was like a requirement
Fabiola:as I was getting certified with this.
Fabiola:I realized that I had a lot of with my reactions with level one energy.
Fabiola:And I was like, what?
Fabiola:and I was resonating at a level six just for, in terms of energy.
Fabiola:And I took this back in the first time back in 2018.
Fabiola:And mind you, I was in my late twenties and.
Fabiola:I thought it would be worse because at that point I still wasn't.
Fabiola:My self talk and my self expectation was low and now it's changed now.
Fabiola:I'm like, oh yeah, of course it was that.
Fabiola:And a lot of times what we'll do with clients is we'll have
Fabiola:them look at the results.
Fabiola:And a lot of times it is stuff that it, they are caring from
Fabiola:their bag, their baggage.
Fabiola:And a lot of times it's something from childhood.
Fabiola:It's something maybe they experience with a first boss.
Fabiola:And so it's something that we can work in coaching.
Fabiola:And if it's something where I feel that it's very heavy and when I say like heavy,
Fabiola:that means they need to work with a, the.
Fabiola:We'll, I'll direct them in that direction.
Fabiola:Let's say there was like an intense level of trauma and I'm not equipped to
Fabiola:let's say do EMDR therapy or, so many of the different therapy modalities
Fabiola:that are available will do that.
Fabiola:But a lot of times it's just, if it's not something that's really heavy,
Fabiola:a lot of times it's just a shift.
Fabiola:and clients are the ones that figure out the shifts.
Fabiola:Cause coaches are not meant to tell you what to do.
Fabiola:That is consulting a coach's job is to guide you to your inner coach.
Fabiola:And so we're pretty much like pulling out all the information from you.
Fabiola:And once a person has that perspective, or even just awareness of oh, I'm resonating
Fabiola:here or at this level, They will see.
Fabiola:I'll ask them specific questions.
Fabiola:Was there ever a time where you experienced this or that?
Fabiola:And sometimes it'll be like, I've had a client once who said, oh yeah.
Fabiola:My first boss told me that.
Fabiola:This and this.
Fabiola:And so then she was able to come up with a solution of, oh, cuz I always
Fabiola:ask people, I never subscribe people of medicine and when I say medicine, I don't
Fabiola:mean actual medicine, but like modalities that are gonna help them to shift.
Fabiola:I always ask people.
Fabiola:What do you think would help you remember this new way of
Fabiola:being or, what's gonna help you?
Fabiola:And she said that she was gonna come up with a list and write it down and put it
Fabiola:in her bathroom, or, do all these things.
Fabiola:She started like coming up with all these things.
Fabiola:But it was amazing because she tapped into that level seven that
Fabiola:creative of oh my God, I'm gonna do this and this and this and this.
Fabiola:And guess.
Fabiola:she knows it's gonna work for her because that's what her mind is telling her.
Fabiola:I'm, I haven't been living inside her mind all her life.
Fabiola:And so I'm just there as a guide.
Fabiola:And so it's really cool because.
Fabiola:I can't say that there's one way that works for most people,
Fabiola:we're all different, right?
Fabiola:Like we all, don't like the same food.
Fabiola:We all, don't like the same music.
Fabiola:Sometimes we go through seasons of listening to different music
Fabiola:or activities that we wanna do, or even foods we wanna eat.
Fabiola:It's the same thing.
Fabiola:And really guiding people to see, okay, that you don't wanna react like this.
Fabiola:Like what's gonna help you remember to not be like that, or what's gonna help
Fabiola:you to shift into this new perspective.
Fabiola:And so just from there, it just then depends on the client.
Fabiola:If it's something that it just happens, it's like an easy fix.
Fabiola:I don't even wanna say fix, but an easy shift there, you.
Fabiola:Because we don't need fixing, it's just shifting.
Fabiola:It's just an easy shift.
Fabiola:And then sometimes it's a little extra work, but maybe because they've been
Fabiola:walking around with that negative programming since they were a kid,
Fabiola:but if it was something that they learned a year ago, two years ago
Fabiola:or something that they can easily let go of, then boom, you're done.
Jordan:Yeah, absolutely.
Jordan:That makes complete sense.
Jordan:And the truth is yes, everyone is completely different.
Jordan:And that's why, again, when you take it to this level, you get beyond just the
Jordan:systems and you get to the architecture of how you approach a problem.
Jordan:And that's what I do believe a lot of coaches do.
Jordan:You allow to, you put a little bit of structured architecture around the process
Jordan:of solving a problem, but then really the design of the strategy, the design
Jordan:of the systems come from the individual because really that's the only bespoke
Jordan:thing we can do is create our own.
Jordan:And that's really the beauty of having some things in your toolbox
Jordan:that you can use to structure your strategy, cuz sometimes being strategic
Jordan:and solving your problem can be incredibly hard and that's why we
Jordan:need sometimes other people and other references just to get things started.
Jordan:That's why even other types of systems or architectures like even
Jordan:astrology or anything along that stoicism, like a philosophy can help.
Jordan:Give some, give a little bit of shape to the way we start to make some decisions.
Jordan:And then when things don't necessarily align anymore or don't
Jordan:resonate, you can always pivot.
Jordan:And yeah.
Jordan:So I wanna, I'm gonna keep this to just a couple more minutes and
Jordan:I'm gonna be sharing a whole bunch more mental models, resources, but
Jordan:I'm just gonna stop with a few.
Jordan:Or close out with a few things from a couple of different areas.
Jordan:And then, I'll be sharing definitely a whole lot more in ways that
Jordan:you can discover more of them.
Jordan:But part of the core mental models, what, there's a whole bunch of them, but.
Jordan:Just to give some examples.
Jordan:Even the idea of a thought experiment is a mental model.
Jordan:So these are the things, the devices in the imagination used to
Jordan:investigate the nature of things.
Jordan:If you've ever done a thought experiment, those are the fun things where you
Jordan:can get out of your own brain and say, what if I were that person?
Jordan:Or what if we did it this way, it doesn't have to actually exist in real life, which
Jordan:is the amazing thing about visualization.
Jordan:It could exist and it, you can make it exist at some point, but you
Jordan:can visualize different outcomes and use it in a positive way to.
Jordan:It's make a decision, right?
Jordan:You can explore different pathways and then work from there.
Jordan:So thought an actual thought experiment.
Jordan:mental model.
Jordan:Other things like first principle thinking the way, one of the best ways to reverse
Jordan:engineer, complicated situations and your creative possibility is to take something
Jordan:that is more complex and break it down into the reasoning of first principles.
Jordan:So the underlying ideas, the underlying facts and assumptions based on them,
Jordan:all the essentials that are there, you can take it and either remake it
Jordan:and innovate into something new, or you can just break it down to better
Jordan:understand it as you're learning.
Jordan:So that's another major one that we all use that maybe you
Jordan:haven't necessarily put a name to.
Jordan:Even relativity the theory relativity is a mental model from physics and chemistry.
Jordan:We don't necessarily think of things that we study as mental models, but
Jordan:that's exactly what we're doing is we're studying how to understand the world.
Jordan:We're studying how to understand gravity, understand thermodynamics, inertia,
Jordan:friction, velocity, leverage, and a lot of these things what's really interesting is
Jordan:terms that we use across from, things that we have mental models about in mathematics
Jordan:or in biology show up in marketing, right?
Jordan:or in the way we communicate with one another, because they're such essential
Jordan:pieces to the way we experience our world, that we use them in different areas.
Jordan:So leverage is part of engineering, right?
Jordan:Give me a lever long enough and I shall move the world.
Jordan:It's a small amount of input force.
Jordan:We can make a great output force through leverage.
Jordan:What does that mean for physicality?
Jordan:That's just knowing what, how you can take something and use the littlest
Jordan:amount to move something much larger understanding physics, but then it's
Jordan:also understanding energetic output of when you're working on your business,
Jordan:when you're working your life and making decisions, taking something that is high
Jordan:value something that could be in flow for you and creating a larger impact by being
Jordan:able to leverage your strengths, leverage your energy, leverage your resources, so
Jordan:what's really cool is as you learn from these different spaces, you can take.
Jordan:The underlying principles and apply them to new problems.
Jordan:So sometimes taking something from biology, for example, just
Jordan:pick one out like incentives.
Jordan:Incentives are actually biological.
Jordan:All creatures respond to incentives to keep themselves alive.
Jordan:It's a basic insight of biology.
Jordan:Constant incentives will tend to cause a biological entity
Jordan:to have a constant behavior.
Jordan:So we're great.
Jordan:Examples of the incentive driven nature biology, and we've taken,
Jordan:there was somebody at some point who was saying, okay, we already have
Jordan:this, how can we apply this into a new space and start to leverage that
Jordan:for business or leverage that for community action and impact, right?
Jordan:How can we mobilize a community through incentives and it can be, of course, any
Jordan:of these things can be used for good for bad, but we're not gonna look at that.
Jordan:We're gonna look from the very high bird's eye view, more the potential of taking
Jordan:things and pulling them into new spaces.
Jordan:This is, what's so beautiful about being a little bit of a generalist or being
Jordan:a little bit multi passionate is you're able to take a lot of these mental models,
Jordan:even whether you realize it or not.
Jordan:You're learning it from different spaces and apply them.
Jordan:To situations to solve problems to help your clients.
Jordan:There's reasons why I've worked in many different industries, because I can take
Jordan:some of the mental models and strategies.
Jordan:That I've learned or systems that I've learned in this
Jordan:space and applied over here.
Jordan:And sometimes when you're very hyper focused, you can get really
Jordan:deep in, on the mental models and the systems and strategies and
Jordan:structures that are in your space.
Jordan:But if you're not, taking some time to extend an arm out into these other
Jordan:areas, you may have a blind spot in potentially solving a new type of problem
Jordan:or innovating in a way where you can make a larger impact on your, industry.
Jordan:That's why people take a lot of cooking metaphors farming, metaphors, and use a
Jordan:lot of the systems and mental models from those spaces to apply to their business
Jordan:or apply to the way they make a decision about their parenting, for example.
Jordan:Other things, millions of other that we can look at this
Jordan:algorithms, the algorithms that we.
Jordan:Get frustrated at every single day really are just a blueprint, a series
Jordan:of steps resulting in a desired outcome.
Jordan:Lots of if then statements they're known for modern computing, but
Jordan:they're in biological life as well.
Jordan:Human DNA is an algorithm for building a human being, we have an algorithm
Jordan:in our brain, the RA that will filter information for us and show us the
Jordan:things that we need to see at a given moment, or want to see at a given moment,
Jordan:for example like they always say if.
Jordan:Want a new car, right?
Jordan:You're gonna see that car everywhere, of course, because your brain is looking
Jordan:for it and being aware of these things.
Jordan:It doesn't mean, again, like Fabiola was saying, being aware of these.
Jordan:There shouldn't be any sort of judgment at all because it's incredibly natural.
Jordan:Our brain is trying to not only just protect us, but also
Jordan:categorize our information in a way where we can be efficient.
Jordan:We don't need to be observing everything at every human point.
Jordan:I don't need to be observing the lamp in the corner, the book on the shelf,
Jordan:the little noise that's outside, all of these things would be incredibly
Jordan:overwhelming to our nervous system.
Jordan:We're efficient.
Jordan:We want to manage our knowledge, manage our inputs in a way that we can operate in
Jordan:the best way we can throughout the world.
Jordan:But at the same time, if we can help our brain, sometimes it
Jordan:give us those perspective shifts that we can get from a coach.
Jordan:We can get from some new mental models, we can get from an advisor.
Jordan:A new space.
Jordan:We can get from an expert that we hire to work on a specific aspect of our business,
Jordan:where maybe we don't really think like them, because we haven't worked in that
Jordan:space or gotten that experience yet we can learn from them and say, wow, okay.
Jordan:Now I can not just leverage your knowledge, but I can leverage
Jordan:the way that you think and start to apply that into new spaces.
Jordan:It's really so much fun to dig into these.
Jordan:The other piece that I just wanted to share is I shared a
Jordan:little bit in the beginning.
Jordan:But I am after going on a little honeymoon, baby moon, of becoming
Jordan:back and I'm gonna be sharing a kind of more call innovate in public.
Jordan:The innovator OS kind of system that I'm working on.
Jordan:It's I get more of a architecture model.
Jordan:It's gonna be served mainly through through notion.
Jordan:And on there that's gonna include a lot of things to have in your toolbox.
Jordan:So it's gonna be things that you can have as resources that can help you
Jordan:design strategy, design systems to to innovate in different areas of your life,
Jordan:especially for creator entrepreneurs.
Jordan:So venture design life design combined can think of it in that way.
Jordan:So this is a really great setup going into that because there
Jordan:is a framework mental model.
Jordan:That will be the underlying OS for that.
Jordan:But it is very friendly to including many of these as well.
Jordan:Including FOLA, including Fab's knowledge, anybody's knowledge that
Jordan:wants to other experts in the field.
Jordan:So there'll be a lot of collaboration with that as well.
Jordan:But I am just laying that out there because if you subscribe to
Jordan:everyday innovation.io, you'll get some updates on that as well as
Jordan:galaxy dot everyday innovation.io.
Jordan:I'm gonna releasing some beta things, some free things ahead of
Jordan:time just to get some feedback.
Jordan:So that's all gonna be happening July and on.
Jordan:And there's gonna be a whole series of content coming out.
Jordan:Mid-July and on.
Jordan:Walking through a framework that will be really cool for creator innovation.
Jordan:So if that's something that you're interested in make sure
Jordan:that you're connected with me and thank you so much, fab.
Jordan:Fab has a, if you're listening to this on the day of fab has a
Jordan:midyear party come and join it.
Jordan:It's at 1111.
Jordan:Pacific.
Jordan:If you missed it, just stay in touch with her.
Jordan:She's at thriving align on Instagram and on Facebook and all the places Twitter.
Jordan:So follow her and you'll get all the updates that are coming
Jordan:up in her sphere for coaching.
Jordan:And if you want to the energetic self-perception and work with her
Jordan:on that, you can probably book a session with her on that as well.
Jordan:Thank you so much fabiola.
Jordan:So thank you everyone to listen to this.
Jordan:Whenever you listen to this on whatever timeline I hope that you are having a
Jordan:great week and we look forward to talking more about everyday innovation with you.