In this episode of the Ever Be podcast, host Mari Wagner dispells common misconceptions about Mary's role in Catholicism and the significance of the Rosary. She explains how honoring Mary is different from worshipping her, using teachings from St. Louis de Montfort, JP2, and the Catechism. Mari discusses Mary’s intercession, the importance of the Rosary as a meditative prayer, and Mary’s unique role as the Queen of Heaven and the Immaculate Conception. She also provides practical tips on incorporating the Rosary into daily life and emphasizes the timeless relevance of this devotion.

00:00 Introduction and Overview

02:04 Misconception 1: Do Catholics Worship Mary?

08:06 Misconception 2: The Rosary is Mindless Repetition

13:07 Misconception 3: Mary is Just Another Woman

16:49 Misconception 4: The Rosary is Outdated

18:31 Practical Ways to Deepen Your Devotion

24:22 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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mari-wagner_1_12-29-2024_161312: Hello

and welcome back to the Ever Be podcast.

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I'm Mari Wagner, your host.

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I'm so excited that you're here

today and I am excited to chat

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about all things Mary today.

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This is a topic that is very close to

my heart and one that always gets a

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lot of People riled up on the internet.

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I think every time I've posted

any sort of like real or anything

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about Mary on Instagram, it

always blows up and goes viral.

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And there's such a war that happens in

the comments, um, especially between

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our Protestant brothers and sisters

and Catholics, because I think there's.

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Great misunderstandings as

to what role Mary plays in a

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Catholic faith life, um, and life.

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And there's obviously a lot of

misconceptions as well about the rosary.

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And today we are going to dispel

all of these misconceptions, all of

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these lies about the rosary and Mary.

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We're going to set the record straight

and we are just going to talk about all

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the amazing things that Mary and the

rosary really bring to our faith lives

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and the gift that they are to our faith.

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So if you've ever been told that

Catholics worship Mary, or that the

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rosary is just a repetitive, mindless

prayer, then this episode is for you.

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My goal today is to shed light on these

topics by sharing teachings from St.

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Louis de Montfort and

JP2 and the Catechism

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to show you how really growing a

devotion to Our Lady Can transform your

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life and lead you closer to Christ.

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Misconception number one catholics worship

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mary This is probably the most common

misconception out there for catholics.

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So I want to tackle it head on.

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The truth is Catholics do

not, in fact, worship Mary.

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We only worship God.

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We are a monotheistic faith.

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We only have one God and

Mary is not one of them.

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What we do is honor Mary,

which is called veneration.

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And this distinction is so important

Because Mary's role is always to lead us

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closer to Jesus, never to take attention

or praise or prayers for herself.

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Another analogy that I love

is the sun and the moon.

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The moon reflects all of the sun's light.

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It's not generating any light of its

own at night, which is amazing because

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it is bright obviously, but it's not.

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Taking all the light from the

sun and just reflecting it back.

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And that's what Mary does.

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Mary is not emanating her

own light, her own glory.

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All she does is reflect the light

of God and all the glory of the Lord

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She is just a reflection of that

and she is always trying to bring

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us back to him and point us to him

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the Catechism of the Catholic Church

explains it best in paragraph 971.

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It says, all generations

will call me blessed.

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The church's devotion to the blessed

Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship.

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The church rightly honors the

blessed Virgin with special devotion.

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So notice how the word special

devotion is used, not worship.

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And I think this is where maybe

Protestants and Catholics differ

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a little bit with the word

worship because the traditional

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way of worship is with sacrifice.

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. It dates all the way back to the Jewish

tradition and how, when you worshiped God,

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you brought a sacrifice and usually it

was an animal of some sort, but then Jesus

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came to be the sacrifice for us so that

we wouldn't have to sacrifice anymore.

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He was the lamb, the sacrificial lamb.

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And at every mass, we

participate in that worship.

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Again, we participate in that moment where

Jesus gives his body and blood for us.

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And he continues to be the sacrifice

in the mass every single time.

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And so for us, worship isn't just a

beautiful word, you know, meaning to

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praise or to revere or to pray towards.

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Worship is strictly reserved

for that very reverent, special

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worship that happens in the mass.

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Now, we can honor God, we can revere

him, we can praise him in many other

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ways in our life, and we can do the same

for Mary, but we never worship Mary.

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If you have never heard of St.

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Louis de Montfort, he was a wonderful

saint who had a great devotion to Mary,

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and he wrote a book called The Secret of

the Rosary, and in there it says, We never

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give more honor to Jesus than when we

honor his mother, and we honor her simply

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and solely to honor him more perfectly.

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That's what Marian devotion is all about.

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It's truly honoring Jesus more by

honoring his mother, because he gave

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us the gift of his mother, right?

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On the cross, when he died, he

looked at his disciple, John,

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and he said, John, behold, your

mother, mother, behold, your son.

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He gave us the gift of

his mother and asked us.

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To be entrusted to her and

for her to take care of us.

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And what St.

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Louis de Montfort is saying here

is that we bring so much honor to

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Jesus when we honor his mother.

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Because in the end, the Lord

knows Mary's never trying to

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take attention away from him.

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Her sole mission and purpose is to draw

us back into relationship with him.

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It's also important to notice that

Mary's intercession, because that's

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something people have a problem with

a lot, like, okay, then why do you

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pray to Mary if it's not about Mary?

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Why do you pray to Mary?

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Well, Mary's intercession is

actually rooted in scripture.

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It goes back to the wedding at

Cana when Mary notices that the

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wedding has run out of wine.

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And so she approaches her son and tells

him, you know, son, this is your time.

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And she tells the servants,

do whatever he tells you.

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And she gives him that nudge

of like, Jesus, they need

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more wine at this wedding.

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Like I know you can turn this water

into wine, you know, time to get to it.

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This is a perfect example of how

Mary intercedes for our needs.

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She saw the needs of the bride

and groom at the wedding.

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She didn't want them to go through

this whole embarrassing moment

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where they would run out of wine.

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That would have been a bad

thing for a party that was

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supposed to last much longer.

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And so she went to her son, she

pleaded on our behalf and she

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asked him to provide in the way

that her children needed him to.

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So there she is just continually

bringing our needs to Jesus and

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always pointing us towards him.

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Notice she didn't take credit

for the miracle in the end.

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You know, there's nothing in scripture

saying, and thanks to Mary, you know,

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the wedding was saved and, and Mary

took glory and honor in what she did.

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No, she always just points back to Jesus.

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Another reason we honor Mary

so much is because she has been

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crowned the queen of heaven.

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And this dates back all the way to the

ancient near Eastern kingdoms, including

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the Davidic kingdom of Israel, where the

king would often have multiple wives.

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So the honor in the role of Queenship

was actually given to the king's mother,

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not the king's wife, because

the king had multiple wives and

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he only really had one mother.

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And so the honor in the

queenship was given to her.

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And so the queen mother in

the Old Testament is shown as

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having the second most important

place of honor in the kingdom.

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And she would rule together

with her son over the kingdom.

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I'll read from scripture here as well.

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First Kings 2 19 through 20 gives us an

insight again into Mary's intercession

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and why that is a practice we have.

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So in scripture it says, so

Bathsheba went to King Solomon

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to speak on behalf of Adonijah.

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And the king rose to meet

her and bowed down to her.

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Then he sat on his throne and had a

seat brought for the king's mother.

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And she sat on his right.

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Then she said, I have one

small request to make of you.

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Do not refuse me.

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And the king said to her, make

your request to my mother,

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for I will not refuse you.

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Just like the queen mother of the

Davidic Kingdom, Mary serves as an

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advocate for her people in her kingdom,

which is us, the kingdom of God.

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Therefore, we should

approach Mary with confidence

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knowing that she carries our petitions.

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to her royal son, Jesus, and

that he responds to her as

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Solomon did to Bathsheba.

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I will never refuse you.

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Misconception number two, the

rosary is just a repetitive and

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mindless prayer with no meaning.

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This is another common criticism

that I feel like we get as Catholics.

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That the rosary is just

mindless repetition.

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But let's unpack this because that

couldn't be further from the truth.

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The rosary is actually a

deeply meditative prayer.

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And each decade focuses on a different

event in the life of Mary and Jesus.

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from the Annunciation to the Resurrection.

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it's a way of entering into the gospel

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and contemplating Christ's

life, death, and resurrection.

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Let's pull out the catechism

again in the catechism.

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Paragraph two seven zero eight

explains that the meditative prayer

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engages thought, imagination, and

emotion in order to deepen our faith.

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That's exactly what the rosary does.

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It's not just about the words

themselves that we say, and it's

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not about repeating these words over

and over again, as it is more about

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allowing us to meditate as we pray.

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And this whole idea of repetition being

bad and empty is just absolutely not true.

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We see in scripture even Jesus

prayed repetitively for something.

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In the Garden of Gethsemane, he

prayed the same prayer three times.

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Father, if it is possible,

let this cup pass from me.

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Yet not as I will, but as you will.

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That's in Matthew 26, 39 through

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Repetition when done with intention is not

vain, but a way of expressing earnestness

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and devotion and petition to God.

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But a lot of Protestants will bring up

a line in scripture, Matthew 6, 7 that

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says, and when you pray, do not keep

babbling like pagans for they think they

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will be heard because of their many words.

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And so it's this idea of just

repetition in vain, like babbling.

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To be heard, um, and to be noticed and

to be seen in your prayer, but that's

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not what the goal of the rosary is.

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That's not what we're doing when we're

praying the rosary, when we're praying

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Hail Mary's over and over again,

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the rosary is a meditative prayer.

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And actually this repetition allows us

to enter into a more meditative state.

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It gives us the freedom to be able to use

our imagination and engage our senses to

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meditate on each mystery instead of having

to come up with the words ourselves.

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in a certain way.

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The repetition of the prayers, the Hail

Mary, the Our Fathers, the Glory Bees.

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Serves as a rhythm, actually

freeing our minds to contemplate

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the gospel mysteries deeply.

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So it's not about the words that

we're actually saying as much

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as it is the vessel that allows

us to meditate on Christ's life.

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But even with that, the Hail

Mary is also actually scriptural.

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So we are also praying with scripture

and just repeating scripture

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when we are praying Hail Marys.

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And there's power in that as well.

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The other amazing thing about the rosary

is that it Engages the whole person in

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prayer it engages our mind our body and

our soul as we vocalize the prayers our

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minds meditate on scripture And our hearts

align with the mysteries of Jesus's life.

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And this combination engages all

of our senses and allows us to draw

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into closer communion with God.

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And honestly, in a practical sense,

in our busy and distracted world, the

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rosary is an amazing tool to give us a

space to have silence and space with God.

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It really helps me focus in and focus

in my intentions in a very specific way.

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And the repetition of the prayers kind

of acts as an anchor or like a, like a

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background melody that allows me to focus

on my intention and bring that to Jesus.

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And actually to pray the Rosary well

takes a lot of discipline and intention.

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It is not mindless or empty by any means.

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And if you just think about how we express

love to others, we say beautiful words

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and words of love to our family members

and our friends over and over again.

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It doesn't matter how many times you

say, I love you to your spouse, to your

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mom, to your sister, to your friend.

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It won't lose its meaning if you're

saying it intentionally and with heart.

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Rather, it deepens the relationship and it

shows even more your love for that person.

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And so similarly, the repeated prayers

of the rosary are like, I love yous to

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Mary and Jesus over and over again, when

they're said with faith and devotion.

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And everybody's favorite St.

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John Paul II, St.

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Pope John Paul II loved the rosary

along with countless saints who

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talked about its power and recommended

people to pray it often, if not daily.

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In JP2's apostolic letter, and I'm

totally going to butcher this, Rosarium

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Virginis Mariae, oh my gosh, um, St.

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John Paul actually emphasized

how much the rosary is

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fundamentally Christ centered.

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He says with the rosary, the Christian

people sits at the school of Mary

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and is led to contemplate the

beauty of the face of Christ and to

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experience the depths of his love.

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He highlighted that while Mary

is repeated, the heart of prayer

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is meditating on the mysteries

of Christ's life, making the

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rosary a gospel centered devotion.

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So now we've established the rosary

is not mindless and the repetition

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has great intention and the

focus is truly on Jesus is life.

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Misconception number three, Mary is just

another woman, just another human being.

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She's nothing special.

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Some people think that Mary was just

a regular person like anybody else and

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there was nothing really special about

her besides the fact that she gave

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birth to Jesus, which if you ask me

that alone really sets you apart given

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that you gave birth to the salvation

of the world, but no big deal, right?

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And scripture and church teaching

shows us otherwise, shows us that she

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is actually of great importance and

that God has given her a very specific

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and special role to her that he

didn't give to any other human being.

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So was she fully human?

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Yes.

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Of course.

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Was she divine?

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No.

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No, not at all.

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But God gave her a very specific

and special mission that he

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clearly didn't give anybody else.

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So we can't say that Mary was just a

regular person without anything special.

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Mary was chosen by God to

be the mother of his son.

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And she also revealed herself to be

the Immaculate Conception, which means

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that she was conceived without sin in

the womb of her mother, Saint Anne.

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And this is why she was able to be

a worthy vessel to carry the Son

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of God and to bring Jesus into the

world, because she was sinless.

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But the fact that Mary didn't sin

didn't mean that she didn't need

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a savior And that's what you hear

Protestants say a lot that Mary needed

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a savior just as much as everybody else

Therefore she was just any other person

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But on the contrary, because of

her immaculate conception, this

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dogma of the Catholic Church

that we believe to be true,

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and that was even revealed in different

apparitions of Mary, it actually

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highlights that God applied the merits

of Jesus redemption to her in advance.

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So that then she could carry out

the plan and bring the savior

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of the world into the world.

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There's also a lot of biblical

basis for this belief that Mary was

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believed to be conceived without sin.

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So I'll get into that right now.

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I have a few scripture verses for you.

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Hold up that are very particular.

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So Genesis three 15 is called the

Proto Evangelium and it speaks, I

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will put enmity between you and the

woman and between your offspring

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and hers, he will strike at your

head while you strike at his heel.

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This verse foreshadows the

battle between Satan and Mary

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and her offspring, which is Christ.

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And the word enmity

implies total opposition.

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And so for Mary to be in complete

opposition with Satan, she

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could not be under his dominion,

which we all are, right?

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We're all part of this broken humanity,

which is stained by original sin

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from Adam and Eve in the garden.

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But Mary, in order for her to be in

complete opposition to Satan, not being

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able to be under his dominion at all, she

must not be stained with original sin.

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Next, we have Luke 1, 28, the

angel Gabriel's greeting to Mary.

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He says, Hail, full of grace.

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The Lord is with you.

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The Greek word used for full of grace,

which I cannot pronounce, so you'll

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have to look that one up on your own,

implies a perfection and completeness.

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of grace given by God.

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This unique title suggests that Mary

was already in a state of grace of

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complete perfection and grace before

the angel came to her and before

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Jesus was in her womb, pointing

again to her immaculate conception.

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And lastly, there's this whole

idea of Mary being the new Eve.

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Romans 5,

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19 and Colossians 15 at 21 through

22 speak of Christ as the new Adam

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who undoes the sin of the original

Adam, the first Adam, similar way,

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the early church fathers have taught

that Mary is like the new Eve.

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And so she was preserved from sin to

fulfill her role in salvation history.

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All right.

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Misconception number four,

the rosary is outdated.

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This is something that

I'm going to be honest.

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I thought when I was growing up, I

didn't really have a practice of praying

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the rosary until later in college.

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Um, and that was just something that

I viewed as like my grandma's prayers.

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It was just something that I was

like, Oh yeah, that's a traditional

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Catholic prayer that, you know, People

used to do forever ago, but I didn't

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really understand the power of it

or its relevance to my life today.

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Um, and that just showed how much

I did not know about the Rosary.

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And I think that anybody who would say

that the Rosary is outdated or irrelevant

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to our lives is actually coming from

a place of not knowing the fullness of

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this prayer and the power of this prayer.

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Like I said earlier, the rosary

is about meditating on the life

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of Christ, and that is timeless.

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The mysteries, the incarnation, the

passion, the resurrection, the miracles,

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that is relevant to every generation.

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To say that the rosary is irrelevant

or outdated is to say the gospel

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is outdated or irrelevant, and

we know that's simply not true.

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Countless Saints like Mother

Teresa and John Paul II and Padre

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Pio found strength and peace

through the rosary and we can too.

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And I will say from personal experience,

when I have been very devoted to the

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rosary, I have found strength and peace

and courage and faith and so much more.

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I love this quote from Padre

Pio, where he says the rosary

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is the weapon for these times.

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It's more relevant now than ever.

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Think about the current

challenges in our world.

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Fear, division, uncertainty,

anxiety, faithlessness.

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The rosary is a weapon for

peace and a source of hope that

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always points us back to Christ.

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Those are just a few misconceptions

that I really wanted to touch on.

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And if you're feeling inspired now by

this conversation and not sure where to go

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or how to deepen your relationship with

Mary, well, I want to give you a few

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practical ways that you can do that

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this year, so that you can grow in

devotion to Mary and the Rosary.

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First thing I'll recommend is

this prayer plan and podcast that

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Ascension just came out with.

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It's called Rosary in a

Year with Father Mark Mary.

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It's similar to the other amazing podcasts

that they've launched the last few years,

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like Catechism in a Year and Bible in

a Year with Father Mike Schmitz, but

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now it's centered around the rosary.

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And so if you're looking for

a way to build this habit of

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praying the rosary daily, this is

going to be an amazing resource.

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That's going to break it down in very

digestible, tangible ways to make it easy

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for you to actually build this habit.

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The plan is designed to start

small and built up over time.

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And it has a prayer plan attached

to it that you can follow along.

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And the prayer plan is dated January 1st.

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But if you don't start on that

day, don't let that stop you.

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You can start whenever And you just do

it for 365 days from that day, right?

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Like it doesn't have to

be on January 1st only.

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So here's how it works.

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The prayer plan is broken into six

different phases, each focusing

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on different aspects of Mary.

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So phase number one is forming

the relationship and really

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getting comfortable with being in

the presence of Jesus and Mary.

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Then you have phase two, which

is biblical roots of the rosary.

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And so you're going to be learning

about how the mysteries of the

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rosaries are rooted in scripture.

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Phase three is meditating

on the mysteries.

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And so you're going to be prayerfully

meditating with the mysteries through

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sacred art, which is called Visio

Divina, different saint reflections,

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and then scripture itself, which

we've done before, Lectio Divina.

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Phase four is called finding focus.

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And it's helping us practice independent

meditation by drawing inspiration

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from the previous phases that kind of

worked up to help us get to this point.

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Phase five is called

building up the decades.

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And it slowly adds decades of the

rosary on top of each other over time.

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Then phase six is praying a full rosary,

and this is led by Father Mark Mary,

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along with a community of listeners.

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Now, don't wait till the end of the

year to start praying a full rosary.

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You can obviously start praying that

now, but these phases make it so tangible

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and digestible for you to build up

this habit and truly have intention

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and meaning and knowledge of why we

are praying this in the first place.

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So, the link to the prayer plan is in

the show notes if you're interested,

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or you can just visit ascensionpress.

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com slash Mari R I Y to download

the prayer plan and join

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the Rosarito York community.

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The second piece of advice that

I would give is to habit stack.

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This has been super helpful for me

in the past is to basically choose a

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habit that you already have in your

life every single day and stack the

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habit of the rosary on top of it so

that it becomes normal and natural.

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And it's something that you remember

to do every day and that you can

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actually commit to doing every day.

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For example, for me, when I

started praying the rosary every

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day, it was a few years ago.

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I used to be a focus missionary

on a college campus and my house

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was about like 15, 16 minutes

away from the Newman center.

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And so I had a 16 minute commute

to work every single day.

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That was a habit that I had

every single morning that I

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had to do every single morning.

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And that's when I started

praying the rosary every day.

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I told myself no matter what, I'm stacking

the rosary on top of this commute.

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And so the second I get to the

car, I start praying the rosary.

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And this became a habit every single day.

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And for you, it can be anything.

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It can be getting ready in the morning.

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It could be while you're

cleaning the kitchen.

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It could be

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while you're drinking your morning coffee.

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And if you don't have hands, right,

if you're cleaning dishes and you

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don't have hands to actually like

pray with a rosary, that's okay.

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You can just play it on sound.

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You know, you could do it on hallow or

Spotify even has some rosary recordings

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and Even that will help you begin to

pray the rosary and stack it on top of

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other things and just help it become

like a daily thing that you go to.

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And then when you don't do it,

you'll really notice that you did it.

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You'll really notice that

you're missing that prayer.

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Okay.

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My last piece of advice for this would

be to find a accountability buddy.

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And This has also been super

helpful for me in the past.

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There's been different instances,

different stretches of time where I

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really tried to commit to a daily rosary.

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And one of the reasons it was

so successful and that I was

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able to do it was because I

had an accountability partner.

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So for October, the month of the

rosary, two of my girlfriends and I,

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we texted each other every single day,

an emoji when we prayed the rosary.

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And that was just like our mark of

accountability that we each prayed it.

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And it was encouraging.

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And it also was just a helpful

reminder when you saw that.

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Awesome.

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When sending their emoji, like, Oh

my gosh, I haven't prayed the rosary.

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I got to pray that.

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Okay.

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And last point, I know I said

the other one was the last one.

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to God and it draws us to prayer There's

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when I had a like regular, you know

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It would just kind of sit there.

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I would ignore it or I wouldn't

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And then when I had a gorgeously

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It just awoke this desire in me

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I wanted to pray it more.

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And I really, really

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I think that's something that makes

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that it's natural gemstone beads.

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And so there is a nice weight to

them, which almost acts as like a

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calming sensation during prayer.

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I've heard a lot of people describe it.

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It's almost like a weighted

blanket in your hands.

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Um, so that's also a nice feature.

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Okay.

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Thank you so much for joining me today.

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That's all I've got.

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for you.

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And I really hope this episode

has encouraged you to dive deeper

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into the beauty of the rosary and

to grow a deeper devotion to Mary.

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And I hope that it gave you some,

knowledge as well that you can just kind

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of keep in your back pocket in case you

ever hear somebody, you know, talk about

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a misconception of the rosary or Mary.

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Um, you can kind of pull that out

and share the truth with them.

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And remember, Mary always

leads us closer to Christ.

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That is her mission.

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So especially if you are having a hard

time in your relationship with Jesus or

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your relationship with the Father and

don't know how to draw close, try drawing

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closer to Mary because that's her mission.

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That's what she does.

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She draws us closer to her son.

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And if you enjoyed this episode,

please share it with a friend who

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And don't forget to subscribe to

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It helps us grow the kingdom and

spread the message of the gospel

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and the beauty of our faith.

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All right, friends, until next time, bye.