Episode Summary

It's election season and we had to talk about it! Join us for this candid discussion about identity, race, and politics as we see Kamala Harris, a Blindian woman, takes position as the potential first female, woman of color President in US history. In this episode, we explore the significance of the 2024 election, including Tanya's first-time voting experience as a US citizen, the pressures faced by public figures of mixed race, and the complexities of representation. We share personal insights on what it means to vote, especially as Blindian women navigating two cultures in today’s very volatile & charged political landscape.

What We Discussed

• First-Time Voting: Tanya’s reflections on becoming a U.S. citizen and the importance of voting this year.
• The Dual Identity Dilemma: How Kamala Harris navigates her role as a Black and South Asian woman in politics.
• Media, Misogyny, and Misrepresentation: Scrutinizing how Kamala’s mixed-race identity influences public opinion.
• Candace Owens, Trump, and Political Alliances: A breakdown of key conservative influences on minority representation.
• The Role of Celebrities: How high-profile figures like Beyoncé support political campaigns and the social perceptions they influence.
• Intergenerational Perspectives: Comparing political engagement and identity dynamics between generations.

A Few Things We Said

• "The first time voting in the U.S., and at such a pivotal moment, it felt huge."
• "Kamala is not just too much of a woman; she’s somehow also ‘not enough.’ It’s this impossible standard women face in politics."
• "Being a Blindian woman today means embracing layers of identity – there’s no box for that, especially in politics."
• "We’re always asked to support leaders who don't fully represent us, and yet we keep seeking the closest thing to who we are and what we value."

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Get ready for real and raw discussions as we dive into navigating mixed-race relationships and motherhood to the intersections of our lives, money, and so much more.

(...) I voted yesterday. It was my first time voting ever in the United States.

(...)

It was a pretty big deal, I feel really,(...) like it was significant for me, because I've lived here for 20 years. 20 years is not nothing,

but

I lived in New York, and didn't,(...) well, for the first several years, you're going through the process of getting your papers and all the things, whatever, right?(...) And then I had a green card for many years, and with a green card, you can pretty much do everything except vote, right? You can work, you

can live,

you can, everything. And living in New York, I will be very honest, and I might sound very irresponsible,

(...)

but I didn't feel compelled to become a US citizen because I had all the rights except for to vote, because it's a democratic state, and people are pretty open-minded, and there's a particular tolerance level that people have in New York that is different than the rest of the country, and having come from Canada, where of course there are conservatives, and there's division, and of course all of that exists, but I think Canadians generally are a little bit more open-minded, and generally are a little bit more tolerant just because the history in Canada is just very, very different. So I was just not used to, like I will say,

(...)

not until moving to Texas did I become hyper-aware of the political differences in the way that I was like, oh shit, this impacts me. And that sounds, again, very irresponsible and very selfish, I realize that. But I immediately became a US citizen, applied, as soon as I moved to Texas, within I think four months,(...) I went through the whole naturalization process, so now I'm a dual citizen, but I'm so happy that it happened in time for this election, because I think this election is very important.(...) So

I voted yesterday,

and I'm, yeah. I'm glad you got that done, I did not.

(...)

It's

not election day yet.

Oh, I know, I know, but you had a good point. Tuesday is gonna be, so I don't know that I wanna go there.

(...)

You have a whole week before that. Oh!

(...)

It's the following Tuesday,(...)

and it's open Saturday, it's open Saturdays too,

(...)

seven to seven. You have lots of time. And it literally took 10 minutes. It was walking,(...) I don't know, signed in, like I don't know, I've never voted before.

(...)

Ty said they've changed it though, like it's not the same as it was last election, I don't know if that's because we're in Texas and you voted in New York last time, I don't know. But it's, yeah, it took 10 minutes, it was easy, it wasn't busy, it was, and it's done. And I feel good that it's done. So we had a big rally here in Houston yesterday for Kamala Harris, and Beyonce was at the rally, I think that might be the biggest celebrity who has come out in support of her, actually she's had lots of celebrities come out in support of her, but Beyonce is from Houston, it was Beyonce and Kelly, they came out together.(...) And I think that's a pretty significant thing for Houston.

(...)

Beyonce being from here, she doesn't often come here and

just hang out.

(...)

I haven't seen her once.

You know, you haven't seen her on the ballot, just hanging at the club, no, the restaurant.

No,(...) that doesn't happen.

(...)

So it's interesting to see what's happening(...) in these final days leading up to the election.(...) And very interesting for me, I'm sure for you too, to see a woman who represents our sort of cultural reality,

(...)

in a position to take the presidency. Yeah,

so I have so many feelings about the question, about candidates,(...) and they're like,

(...)

maybe warranting to hear the politics of it.

Yeah, I don't think this is really about the politics.

I do think that it's the first time that a woman is potentially about to be elected.

(...)

I'm very surprised that they haven't made a bigger deal of it. I feel like when,

(...) who's our last? Hillary

It was such a big deal. I mean, first of all, it was like,

(...)

I think there was a lot of rallying around the fact that she's a woman. Mm-hmm.(...) This time, it's very different.

(...)

And I feel like they, the media,(...)

side has really depicted not only that is she a woman, but you're a broken woman.(...) Because you don't have children to attack.

(...)

It's bizarre to me that the opposing side is actually attacking her womanhood from this, like,(...) it's the first time that we would have a female president

(...)

and the degree of attack,

(...)

on her as a woman has really affected.

(...)

You know what's interesting is the opposing side, right?

(...)

Let's say Trump specifically.

(...)

We know about the misogyny. I mean, there's no, we don't even have to get into that, right, but what's interesting is that Kamala is not enough of a woman, but she's also too much of a woman. So it's like, no matter what she represents as a woman, it's

not gonna fly.(...)

It's not the right, yeah, it's not the right combination of things, right? Because if she was a woman with children and so on, they'd be like, oh, well, she might be emotional or she doesn't, she has to take care of her kids or like what, I don't know. They would come up with some bullshit, right?(...) And because she doesn't have children, it's like, well, she's not a real woman because she doesn't have children.(...) In what world? In what world? And I think the focus also has changed because she's not a white woman on race rather than just her being a woman, right? So it's like, not only is she a woman, that almost becomes secondary to the fact that she is a mixed race woman. So it's not even she's a black woman or she's just an Indian woman. She's an Asian woman. Like she's a mixed race woman, which for a lot of people is a confusing thing.(...) I've been spending a lot of time kind of reading a lot of the comments and so on on what people do say. Cause like Janet Jackson, I think recently said something like she's not black, Kamala Harris is not black or something like

that. And it keeps repeating in other media

(...)

that she's not black.(...) And I'm not understanding that because of, well,(...) yes, she is.

(...)

For genetics, what? So I don't understand what this is, right?

(...)

And I've heard that rhetoric from a lot of people here that there are,(...) I think there's like, people feel like she's not black.

(...)

Oh, she doesn't represent me. Because she's different.(...) And then I've also heard people say, oh, she's not really black. He's Hindu.

(...)

She's Christian.

(...)

But it's

so crazy because your religion does not,

I don't know. I specifically said it that way. Yeah, like,(...) and what's

crazy is that they're wrong. Exactly, they're ignorant. They're wrong. They don't even know exactly the right term for her experience, right?

(...)

I mean, I'm sorry, but if you're a black woman, what does a white man, a white billionaire man have to do with you? Like, how does that represent you? How does he,(...) even an Obama who is a black man, how does a man represent you?

(...)

We're always having to choose candidates who don't represent us fully, but it's not about their ethnicity or their religion that's their representation. It's their ideology. It's their views. It's their policies. It's their what they're gonna do for the people who live in this country. Like, I just don't get

it. I just don't get any of it.(...) Me neither,

me neither. And it's, listen, I will say,(...) for my opinion, I think Kamala Harris is bland as fuck. Like, I think she is bland. I don't think she comes off with a, you know, she's not a dynamic person. She doesn't have a bunch of personality. She is a little bit, she's incredibly intelligent. I think, you know, she comes off as incredibly compassionate and kind. You know, I think she's probably a nice person, but is she dynamic? Is she, does she have a big personality? Does she make it look fun? No, she doesn't.

No, and I think that's part of it.

(...)

We want leaders that are cares better, right? Obama, super charismatic.

He can get more charismatic. Even Bill Clinton, super charismatic.

Right, like--

George Bush on the other hand.

Yeah.

(...)

(Laughing) But, like, if we look in recent history, a lot of leaders, especially ones that have stayed in office for eight years, are running on charisma. Yeah. So much of it is, can I say the right thing that will land for you in the right way?

At the right

time. At the right time. And that's going to sway people's opinion.

(...)

And I don't particularly find Trump charismatic, but I can see why people think that he is.

Like, I--

(...)

Tell me, tell me.

Like, he doesn't make sense.

No, and less and less over time. Do

not compute. If you actually listen to him, he says one thing and then says the exact opposite. Yes.

(...)

Yeah, it's crazy.

(...)

Someone is breaking down the psychology of this. They said what he's doing is brilliant because people hear what they want to hear.

(...)

So they ignore the fact that he said

(...)

he's gonna start casting small businesses.

(...)

But then in the very next breath, if he says he supports business owners, then read good, because I've heard what I wanted to hear, which is he supports business owners.

(...)

Hmm, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

(Laughing)(...) I'm not saying he supports business owners.

(...)

Interesting. I mean, I don't think he's, honestly at this point, intelligent enough to do that purposefully. So if that's what's working out in his favor, fantastic. I honestly don't think he has the mental capacity. I don't think, I think that strategist is like, oh shit, it's working. But I don't think his people are like, oh, this is our strategy and this is how you're gonna break. Like, he literally makes no sense to me. He literally cannot put a sentence together that has a beginning, a middle, and an end that is all on one topic. (Laughing)

(...)

I am not, I've watched many of the, well, the one debate, but I've watched him debate. I've watched him, I even have spent some time watching

(...)

what he says at these rallies and so on, just out of curiosity, because as a human being, I want to understand what the appeal

is. Yes, I'm with you. I do not understand,

(...)

except there,

(...)

there was a point recently that I was like, questioning my opinion or candidate. Okay.(...) And I was like, do I have this all wrong?

(...)

Like, I literally questioned it. For one, it was like, I'm very good with the answer.

But listen, you're supposed to ask questions. That's part of it. You should blindly support someone because they're the same race, ethnic background, whatever the new Democrat, whatever, yeah.

(...) Totally. I like both born a person.

Yeah, as you should.

What were you questioning? When Robert Kennedy Jr.(...) joined forces with, yeah,

vaguely, I didn't pay too much attention.

Robert Kennedy has been running on this campaign trail of Make America Healthy Again, and a lot of his views are around health.

(...)

Yes,

and are paying attention to.

(...)

Been very vocal about the fact that pharmaceutical companies shouldn't be running our country.(...) That red dye. Number 40, you should be out of our food.

(...)

Things that will actually make a massive shift in our health care system,

(...)

we would maybe not be the second country.

(...)

So for me, he's been the candidate that I'm kind of following,

(...)

and I was ready to vote for him.

(...)

And then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, well, not out of nowhere, he basically trying to partner with the Democrats. They were like, "You get the hell out of here. We're not about this vibe."

(...)

Okay, I didn't know about that, okay.

And then Trump took him on, "Come on over here, we'll take you." So he basically sold out, right? Interesting. Like, "I'm sick of your mission,"(...) which is to make America healthy, and you partner with this idiot.

Who is not about anything being healthy?

He's not about anything being healthy.(...) He had appointed him some sort of chair of the health(...) committee or whatever the fuck. Okay. Something. Okay. He's got it appointed. Okay. On to the Trump administration.(...)

Okay, so he has a platform.

He basically has a platform, and he's bringing billions of voters over to that side.

Really?

Yeah, like he's not-- Nobody. No, no, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he has an agenda. Right.

(...)

People will connect to.

(...)

Are waking up to, and are actually about. Yeah. The problem that I'm struggling with is, I don't think that he's gonna stay. Right.

(...)

Like, he's gonna get into office, and then he'll get rid of him.(...) Yeah. Sorry, you're out there. Yeah, which is what he

did the first time around, right? Like, that's literally what he did. He will get, and he has no problem doing that. Like, he will get rid of you with a quickness.

So, like, how do you trust this person? Who has the track record that shows(...) that he's done that to other people before.(...) And you're partnering with the fucking devil. Like, I don't understand. I just don't even understand. That's what got me questions. Okay, what that clear? Like, I don't have the wrong side. And some things that have come out about this administration. That are questionable. Whether they are true or not. Whether they, I don't know. That's the problem. I have no way to tell what's true.

That's the problem. It's like, impossible to know what's true.

(...)

You know, you hear a thing, then they counter it, but then you hear it again, and then you hear something different. Like, it's just very hard. Yeah, it's a hot mess. It's, you know, politics, I think, everywhere in the world for the most part, except for maybe some European countries where they always have their shit together. Like, honestly, if Europe was more racially diverse, I would move to Europe. Because they have their shit together. People are happy. They have good healthcare. They don't push, like, marriage and all these agendas. People just live happily after.

(...)

Good food, clean food. And they live longer. It's a lot of good things there. In some countries, not all of them. But here in the US, I think politics has become,(...) you know, a comedy show, it's become a sketch. It's become a, you know, people don't take it seriously. It's hard to take it seriously because there's just so much,(...) you know,

(...)

it's like, you know, it's

nonsensical and it's hard to follow.

It is, it is.(...) This year, I did something different, which is I started following people on both sides of there.

(...)

Because I wanna, I wanna-- Really?

(...)

Somebody to explain this guy to me. Right?(...) Like, following the other side has been very eye-opening. Because, like-- Oh, that's what they think about. Oh, come on. Oh, that's what's happening.

(...)

Like, and like, both sides is creating--

(...)

Of course. Yeah, people are saying. Yeah, yeah. And like, some of it, did she really say that? Like, that's what's happening. And like, did she really?

(...)

So it's interesting. I just feel like there is no way to tell who's telling the truth.

(...)

There's gotta be a legitimate leader.

(...)

There are things that I'm not super happy about.

(...)

I agree. I agree, there's, you know, again, I am not super happy into politics and I will never pretend that I know all of the facts or the details of the things I don't. But just for my overview of what I do consume and what I do read,

(...)

yeah, it's difficult to really ascertain what her position is.(...) But I have been listening to more(...) as she has become, once she had gotten, you know, she started running for president and kind of following her since then. And I feel like it's gotten clearer and clearer for me. And maybe it's gotten clearer for her too. I don't know, right? And so the way that I have to look at it is(...) we only have two choices for the most part, right? What is the lesser of the two evils? It's not like either one is perfect. It's not like either one is ever gonna give us everything that we want or everything that they say they're gonna give us or, you know, like they never do, right, they never do.(...) But the fact that she was a prosecutor, the fact that she is an attorney and she knows how to fight for the people and has spent her life doing that, to me that says a lot. The position that she's held in defense of many people who are the underdogs, many people who have been traumatized and victimized and marginalized,(...) to me that makes sense for this country that needs someone who has some compassion. Trump does not come from that perspective at all. In fact, he shits on the

people who are marginalized and-- He's misogynistic.

(...)

He is a criminal. He is like literally a criminal.

(...)

He has been impeached. Like I don't even understand how he's able to run for president. That part even boggles my mind. Like how is he even allowed?

(...) He hasn't

been-- I

think babe.

He hasn't been charged.

Yeah.

(...)

And he has a whole bunch of court

that he's appointed.

Appointed, yeah.

But even that in itself,(...) charged.

(...)

So wouldn't you,(...) like if you were a, just a regular person in the world, look at that scenario and say,(...) "What the fuck?" Like I don't want a president who can pull strings like this. I don't want a president who gets to cheat their way out of situations. I want someone who also is treated fairly because that's what I'm looking for for myself.(...) Like I just don't understand. I don't understand.

And-- Well--

(...)

Here's an opposing viewpoint.

Okay.

(...)

A little bit of hearsay. Okay. I'll say that this was just like conversations that I've been part of.

(...)

Affirmative information in any way.

Okay.

(...)

I love the disclaimer.

(...)

(Laughing)

(...) I have been-- I had been hanging out with some Israeli. Mm-hmm.

(...)

Our black believe in Israel.(...) And the--

(...)

Illustration had not been good to many parts of the world. Mm-hmm.

(...)

They stayed-- On the surface like, "Oh, we walk these through." Yes, we walk whatever. Just this and that. Whatever, like the reality is that-- The end. The wars that are happening.

(...)

You say in Russia--

(...)

Real power. Right.

(...)

It's gotten escalated. Mm-hmm.

(...)

I have a really close friend now in Israel thinking like messaging that there were-- Literally dropping outside of her house.

That is so freaking terrifying.

Yeah, it's like--

(...)

They're like-- Yeah.

(...)

I think where things become dicey is that there are other parts of the world that believe that Trump won't do a better job than the Biden administration does.

Maybe. Biden administration. It's

not Harris administration. Yeah. Yeah. And you said that, as a result, the Biden administration, Yeah, and I think that that is honestly working against her on a level because people just have lost their love for Joe Biden.

(...)

But he never

was, but once again, it was like him or the devil, once again, right? It was kind of like this...

(...)

And I think people loved him when he was vice president, but that was largely because of Obama, right? And because Obama chose him and they seemed to have a great relationship,(...)

but people didn't really know.

(...)

He wasn't so much old, so much old.

(...)

No, I'm getting so much old.

(...)

Now he's old, but so is fucking Trump. Trump is old as shit. And I was watching something where there was a psychologist kind of evaluating his decline of his mental health through his speech.

True.

Trump's and showing clips from before where it was still incoherent, but less incoherent. And now this talking about it's cognitive decline, right? It's just natural. It's not because he's doing anything. It's because he's aging. And it's okay that it's happening, but we have to be able to also admit that it's happening, which I think is what they were saying was happening with Biden, right? It's like he was starting to not make a lot of sense and he's just aging out of... I think there should be a cap,

honestly. I agree. There should be a cap. You should not be 80 years old running for president.

Sit the fuck down. And listen, that doesn't mean that you can't be part of something. It doesn't mean you can't have an opinion. It doesn't mean that you can't be on a board or an advisor or a consultant.

Yeah, I truly think that,(...) you know, there's so many other ways that your voice can be heard, especially if you're a person in power, right, of some level of power. It's like Bernie Sanders, right? Like he stopped. He's like, okay, I'm going to run for a while and then I'm going to stop. Like I'm old.

I need to, I will join forces with someone where I can have influence. I can be a consultant. I can be an advisor.

I can have some voice. Yeah, so many.

(...)

The actual president.

(...)

And I like the fact that we have had presidents who are a little bit younger and are a little bit more in tune with, you know, what's going on in the world in terms of, because the truth is that older people are aging out. And yes, they need specific things and they need specific types of healthcare and they need people who can understand their experience as well. But we also need this young generation to be able to fulfill on expectations for this country. So this country can continue to grow and be something because we are getting killed out

here. It's a shit show out

here. It is a shit show out here. And it's, I don't, yeah, it's strange. Like I'm really excited that, you know, our president may be a Blindian woman. I think that's so exciting for our children to see and for us to even see as people who have chosen that for ourselves. Right. It's such a small subset of the, you know, population and of the of the world. Like it's it's not something common. And I think that just her presence is making it more like, oh, this is this is a mix, a combination, a groups of people that actually do come together. Right. And I think that's really cool. Do I wish she was a cooler Blindian? Hell yeah.(...) Hell yeah.(...) You know,

how old is she?

How old?

And then she's 60.

Okay. Yeah. And then she just. Crazy.

No, I think she just turned 60.

Yeah. Okay. That makes sense.

(...)

She's like very, not like her jam is not vocalizing.

(...)

Is that what Scorpios are known to be

Are they

introverted

introspective? I don't know that about Scorpios.

(...)

I have many Scorpio friends. Some of my closest friends are Scorpios. My daughter is a Scorpio. My dad is a Scorpio. Male Scorpios are a little bit different. I know than female Scorpios. My ex mother-in-law is a Scorpio. My current mother-in-law is a Scorpio. I have a lot of Scorpios in my life. I don't find them very introspective at all. In fact, I find

that they lack self-awareness on

a lot of levels. Could be, yeah.(...) Like, it would,(...) no. Yeah. We like sign the exact opposite that they haven't embraced their truths. I understand that. Yeah. I understand

that. Yeah. Because it's always a choice. Like, you can access that part of yourself, yes. Yeah, because I'm trying to think of it.

(...)

Full of love. And I have a lot of them. A lot of them. I think seven will be a, because I'm her mother, she will be forced to be an introspective Scorpio. Yeah. That's just, but, so it's good to know because that means there's something easily accessible there for her. But yeah, so Kamala Harris is, you know, no, no. Wait,(...) 20th, she still might be a Libra.

(...)

I think it changes on the 21st. 21st or 21st.

So I will claim her all day as a fellow Libra. And I'm like, we're going to have to find that out now.

(...)

She would strike me more as a Libra than, now we're being ridiculous, but she would strike me more as

Libra

than a,

(...)

oh,(...) let's see. Hold on.

Kamala Harris' sign says this about her, according to astrologers.

What does it

say? All right, let's see. This is an article from Elle magazine.

So she just right at the tail end of Libra.

(...)

It changes on the 21st.

Libras are,(...) who will, I'm going to say this, Libras are generally indecisive, which is not good for a president.

(...)

But, but I think I'm actually very decisive in some ways, in my business and so on. I'm very decisive in my personal life.

(...)

I will research to death. I will do like that. And that's where my indecision comes in. So I

do like segmented. Yeah. And

I do know a lot of Libras who do lean towards the more indecisive end, but also can in different areas of their lives. So Libras tend, I mean, the sign is a scale, right? So there is definitely a balance there. I think that there's a level of

of knowing what you want and being able to find the way there. There's,(...) you know, I think for her, she's an intellect. Like she's obviously a very intellectual person. So I think she plays into that part of being a Libra. Like the Libras are generally like, we like to read, we like to consume information, we like to evaluate before. Like we're not super impulsive. We're not super spontaneous. We're a little bit more observant. So I could, I can see that

if I look at her. I can see how that could be really positive as President Trump.

(...)

Now we're getting into astrology. We're not astrologists.

(...)

All right. I have to know Donald

Trump is

14th. He is a Gemini boy. All right. He's a Gemini.

Okay. So Gemini's, well, he does not, for me, he does not show this at all, but Gemini's our orator.

(...)

They use their word power and often for manipulation. Hmm. That doesn't that. All right. And oh boy.

(...)

Well, Gemini usually also is like the twins, right? It has two sides, right? So often.

And so maybe that's where he's sharing and demonstrating. You're like, say this.(...)

Maybe, maybe. And maybe that's just also, you know,(...) there was an ability for him to be a part of him for, because for a long time before he turned crazy and tried to, you know, went into politics, people actually liked him. He, he, he had, you know, like even when he was doing his show and stuff like that, there was less hate, right? Like there's always been a, okay, he's not,

he's, he's a little ridiculous.

He's, everybody has called him racist for many, many years. People have called, said a lot about the misogyny and all of that too, but there was still a likability, right? And I think you're right. There was a particular charisma. It wasn't a, a, like a sexy charisma, but there was like a power kind

of charisma. Something to this guy. And if he, like, if he was in front of you, you would probably talk.

Yeah, likely. Maybe. I can't even imagine being in front of that man. Like, what, what would that be like weird?

(...)

But yeah, so maybe that was, you know, part of him. And now we're seeing this because he was a Democrat for a long time.

Yes. He was a Democrat for a long time.

(...)

Yes. It was recently that, you know, when right before he went into politics, he's changed party. Yes.

(...)

Really? Yes. For you multi billion. Yes. It was like, he

was affiliated with the, he was, yes, registered as a Democrat. So there's a documentary on Netflix about him and his like previous life and a lot of his shenanigans and his sort of this, the strategy was built by his former attorney who was a crazy conservative, very, very like right, very scary person.

(...)

And so there was been, so a lot of Trump was built on, I can't remember his name, the lawyer's name, but a lot of Trump's persona and his, yeah, his persona, essentially, like what he has now become was, was created by his legal team and led by this lawyer.

Yeah. It's actually a really good documentary and it shows you, and it takes you back to like his younger days, you know, in the real estate industry in New York and like kind of how this has all happened. And it really takes you into the back story of how this is all orchestrated and planned. And it was, had been being planned for a very long time for him to take this position. Ty put me onto it and it's been out for years. He put me onto it some years ago, I think when Trump was running the first time and, and he was like, you need to watch this shit so you can understand better who this man is. And I was blown the fuck away.

Yeah. So you should watch that.(...)

Yeah. I'll get you the name.(...) Short pack, get you the name now.(...) But, you know, he's been around for so long.

people have, I don't know, like maybe people have a particular trust about him because it's called Trump and American Dream.

Blackphile. Yeah.

(...)

Mm hmm.

(...)

So maybe people have a different trust about him because he's been around.

(...)

I mean, just because he's been around in media doesn't mean that's this Trump

Yeah. And so I thought all of this is for him.

(...)

But it's good.(...) And

it goes into pretty good detail of the story.

Yeah. I think in terms of

a lot that is concerning that the Trump thing about Project Twenty Three Five.

(...)

Like, no, what?

(...)

Honestly, like, I think part of the that's like, you didn't go through this bullshit again.

(...)

Go around if his man doesn't walk.

(...)

He can't run again. He's gonna be sick and something's gonna like, no, there's no way. He's gonna be like 80 something. No way. We're not going through it again. And if she does a good job.

(...)

She'll be in there.

Yes.(...) So so she just needs to do a good job. He's 78, dude. He's gonna be 82.

What's the cut off? There is no cut off.(...) Death is the cut off. I mean,

he's not gonna shut up, but hopefully people will. There will be another candidate who, you know, is viable. That's the problem is like, where's the where's the candidates? Where are all these people? Like, people showed up at the at the conventions, right? And I'm listening to these people speak and I'm like, why aren't you running for president? Like, who are you? And why aren't you like, even at the Democratic National Convention, I watched the entire thing and there are senators and, you know, I know that this is all there's politics behind the politics, right? I know that. But there are some fantastic orders. There are some charismatic people of color. There are some fantastic people who I think probably have some fantastic ideas. And I'm like,

why aren't

you running? Even like, do you remember Cory Booker?

Cory Booker was the he was the mayor of Newark, New Jersey for a long time. He got very, very popular. He ran for president. He was he didn't. Yes, he ran for president.

(...)

Not was it last time? I want to say he's a senator now, I want to say.

(...)

But he was a really bad. I mean, people were talking about him like he was the next Obama. Like they were really talking about him like he was the next Obama. And like he spoke at

the convention. He's

Democratic.

(...)

He turned Newark, New Jersey around.

(...) Well, I think Kamala is only in that position because it was easy and they would have had to probably refund all of the money that they had raised for Biden.

(...)

If it wasn't her. If it wasn't her.(...)

Likely. Well, I mean, I'm not talking about just now. Right. And and she was she is obviously going to be the front runner of all the Democrats who were running in this election because she's vice president. Right. Like

there's her pops.(...)

But who else was there? Do you even know a name? I mean, all those weird. There's this.(...) Well, the two Indian people were on the in the.

(...)

You remember the two that Nikki Haley and the other guy, oh, my God.

(...)

They all shoot. She's a hot mess and he's even hotter mess. What's his name? Rama for me. Oh,

Vivic Rama Rami.

OK.

Why?

He's racist, too, like super conservative.

(...)

Lots of white adjacency. He was running. Well, that was when they were all running to take the

the Democratic Party.

(...)

No, the Republican

Party. I have not heard this Nancy, but he seems very charismatic through

his three pictures.(...) He has some.(...)

There was a picture of his family like you can see the angle that this would be.

Yeah, I mean, he

there was a woman that I follow. It's like a woman who had been trying to run and get into office for a very long time.

(...)

And every every four years she's doing like a rah rah rah.

Who's that?

remember.

And she's she's independent.

(...) She's been trying to be democratic party. I

think who that might be.

(...)

Why?(...) Why? Why do you get strong for a Democrat?

(...)

There's so many. Why? Who would that be?

one coming up right now is Nikki Haley, which is

who we see here. Nikki Haley's the she's Indian but she she does not claim her Indian this at all she's biracial but um she does not come claim her Indian side at all yeah it's not clear even her name well

like yeah even her name doesn't point to her being

at all

(...)

yeah i mean if that's truly her name then that's not her fault but um if she's changed her name to make it you know more palatable which a lot of people do like that's why that Vivek Ramashwami like he you know he's a very Indian name but his politics were very questionable for people of color people people did not like him at all at all at all at all so yes i can see that he looks like a little bit more charismatic and and probably is but um he was he was a scary proposition

then these people might all pop up again we'll we'll have to see

you think that because Kamala Harris is a woman of color a mixed race woman that she will have more pressure on her to perform

absolutely yeah yeah

100 yeah what do you think that's going to look like for her do you think she's going to be able to win and when i say win i mean like no matter what she does i feel like there's going to be a people are going to have a problem yeah

i think she's going to be crucified

(...)

literally like on the um on the chopping block to be hung every other day yeah like i like the whole she's a witch she's a witch is coming

(...)

yeah you live in a world where you can't empower or be in the spotlight in any way as a positive for you or

(...)

what you're standing for right like i just i don't see it like yeah

i think she's gonna have a really really tough time here for her

yeah

i mean i'm hoping that she has a support system that can help her withstand what she's about to face and i would imagine listen at the end of the day she is the vice president the current vice president it's not that she doesn't know what is going on behind the scenes she knows better than all of us right so i she has to be walking into this with with some yes knowing of what she is taking on and choosing to take that on because

(...)

she she also knows she's not a white man she knows that whether she's indian black or everything like she knows that how she looks has something to do with it i think you know it's it's going to be interesting her husband seems like a really supportive man and somebody that will hopefully give her a lot of comfort and and support in going through this and he seems really likable so you know i think when you have a likable like dude is melania alive because like where is melania trump i haven't seen her since trump left office you forgot he even had a wife right where is she

(...)

oh where is she where

is she why is nobody talking about her why is nobody saying where the fuck is your wife dude

knew she had just a fill but we wouldn't know that we

would know that but we don't know anything we

don't know she's trapped in a booth well

she was trapped in her penthouse for a long time and started making videos about how she was trapped like literally she was making videos on social media about how she

she was in

in her trump tower she could not go out(...) by the sources the powers that be by whatever like she actually started making videos this years ago while he was president

okay but where is

melania where is

melania like such an interesting episode

well melania trump sightings

(...)

melania trump made a rare public appearance at the republican national convention in july but she remained largely absent uh

like i don't think that she gets to have a voice i think she is called upon when there's a need for her to show up i think that she is i think honestly after donald trump dies we're going to hear a lot of shit come out about how she was treated and um you know what what she has had to endure and i think it's gonna be pretty scary like i feel for that woman i don't think she can get out she probably wants out so bad but i don't think she can get out so she just i think she's just been silenced and she just yeah but but it's also like dude that's part of the package that people are looking for when they are looking at a president so if kamala harris not having children is a problem where's your wife like that's not even your kids where's your wife at your some of your kids are disassociating from you and your kids didn't do a great job like doing their jobs either i know avanka trump fucked up and when she was in whatever her role was people got mad at her then got mad at her husband like it's just a it's a whole shit show yeah

and so well shit show i don't understand again like how are people evaluating who they're voting for i don't know come down to something as simple as oh he's for the business owner i'm like yeah for if you know if you have a gigulil shop that may 300 000 a year exactly exactly no he doesn't care about

you

you

don't exist to

him

well unless you're making massive amounts of exactly

and can contribute to him and his cause in some way right that i think that's why kamala harris has taken on the position of i support small business like she's been very vocal about small business especially lately in the last few weeks and she's like you know i grew up going to small business in my neighborhood like this is something that's real to me i understand it and she's been very very vocal about small business and the um some of the policies that she would like to put in place around small business and taxes and so on so you know i think but yeah like we were saying i think no matter what she does it's going to be really really hard for her to win and i think trump has the advantage that no matter what he does somehow he's forgiven and somehow he can still keep going like the fact that january sixth happened and that man can still run for president to me is a failure of this country like it that means that there are no rules there are no real laws they're like people in power can literally do anything and they can get away with anything and we are like at the mercy of them because if anybody else did that

they would be paying for

it in so many ways like in all the ways

can we tell them about candan yes

we can talk

about canda so on this

fucking deal

i'm new to her you're new to her too yeah so i'm new to her too

(...) but like she is i had i had the chance to like dig into her take coffee a little bit

(...)

and i cannot believe how old is vertian

and very

oh she's like verbally like like she's right

that's her position black woman in america and actually that was it was it was probably her feet but he's like oh kamala's not black yeah she said she's not black she

said she's not black she's indian hindu whatever and then she said that her in on her jamaican descent side they're irish they're from uh she's descendant from slave owners is what she said

so slave

owners from like the white slave owners and that her jamaican side is not black it's irish and something and something they're just in jamaica so that so then that takes away so she might be jamaican but she's not black which is fucked up and not true

crazy is that this woman has always said she was black she went to howard university which is an hbcu right most people do not choose to go to howard if they are not black i mean there are a lot of people who go to howard who are not black but yeah there are a lot of people who go to howard who are not black i have um a client whose mother is uh an alumni of howard and she's an indian woman and you know this is like 30 years ago and i thought that was so dope i'm like an indian woman went to howard 30 years ago and like and she actually now teaches at howard which i think is also very dope

um

(...)

seriously

owens is very anti-comla for a lot of reasons she doesn't she she doesn't think she's black enough or it's you know listen i'm not gonna disagree with the fact

it's convenient convenient is not the right word

i even when maybe when it's appropriate i agree with you i think that it comes out of nowhere and it's oh now that y'all are supporting me will i be embrace my ad inside yes right like he this woman showed up to a devali karti in black

in a black suit

you can't do that

you don't

do that it's developing right and the fact that it's

so culturally inappropriate and and it's also like you know you have been pushing that you were raised by this indian woman for so long and you grew up very much immersed in the culture and so on and so when there's a moment that you can connect with people of your culture and you were raised by an indian mother so no one's questioning your indian

and ethnicity, and nobody's questioning that side. So in that moment where you really had the ability to connect with the South Asian community for a reason, for a celebration that is actually very, very representative of what you're going through and what your experience is, to show up like that. She lost me there completely.

Completely. She could have done better.

(...)

Come on.

(...)

There's just all kinds of words.

(...)

Regardless,(...) she has shown up in lots of places and-- Oh, yeah.(...) Oh, yeah. That too.

(...)

And it's a little bit of like ethnicity. So we're kidding. Is that the word? Yeah. I'll embrace what makes the most sense in the moment.

(...)

And she doesn't have a strong personality around it.

No, she does not. And she's very-- and I'm going to say it. The fact that her husband is a white Jewish man, again, he seems like a lovely person. He seems like a really warm, loving person. He's probably a fantastic man.(...) So that's not an issue. But if he was black, if he was a man of color even, Hispanic,(...) Indian, a man of color, I think it would give her more credibility as because she's so bland. I find her incredibly bland. And it's not because she's a-- I mean, I think, dude, Jamaican and Indian, where's the spice? There's no spice.

(...)

None at all. No spice? Zero? That's problematic to me. But so because you're so bland, it would be nice to have some sort of counter to that. I honestly think that her husband is more dynamic than her, and he's a white Jewish man. But because he is a white Jewish man, I think that actually discredits her or discounts her blackness, Indianness, woman of colorness a little bit

more. Candace is also a very chill white man. She is. Let's double--

triple check that because that's what Ty told me. And he was like, Candace Owens' husband? Oh, yeah, yeah. British, George Thomas Stahill Farmer, the son of Lord Farmer.

(...)

Lord Farmer? Yes. OK. So he comes for money.

(...) Oh, yeah.

He obviously had loads of money. Yeah.

(...)

She's living a very privileged

life. Very privileged life.(...) And she is--

(...)

How did that happen?(...)

(...)

(...)

That's a lot of-- Is it under five? That's a lot.

(...)

It's all possible, but damn, that's a lot. His father is a member of parliament.

(...)

He was the CEO of Parler. I don't know what Parler is.

(...) Oh.

It was an app.

(...)

Wow.

So that is Candace Owens'(...) association with-- yeah, that's her husband. And she did have a association for some time with Kanye West.(...) And Kanye-- and I know that she gets a lot of her sort of insider celebrity information from Kanye West and a group of other conservative celebrities. She talks about the fact that a lot of celebrities are, in fact, conservatives, but are not able to share that because they're celebrities and they would be crucified. And so she seems to talk from this perspective of having a knowing that many of us don't-- or information that we don't have access to. So maybe, but how do we ever know that it's true?

(...)

And even if it's true--(...) even if there are conservative celebrities. And of course there are. And yes, of course there are. It seems to be that the richer people get, the more exclusive and more conservative they get. Absolutely.

(...)

It's like they get siloed.

(...)

To a certain extent, I feel like you have to fit into that paradigm to--

It's like a boys club.

(...)

It's like a white boys club.

It's usually a white boys club. And the way to join that white boys club and to join forces to support internally or overtly.

(...)

So I think that we can--

(...)

whatever--(...) like, goodbye, celebrity.(...) About your five votes. Or your 500 votes.(...) But the--(...) she's using-- Her platform to very much shun black people. That are not really believing the fact that Beyonce showed up for Kamala Harris as a reason to vote for Kamala Harris. It's kind of her platform.

For sure. And her saying that these people have been essentially assigned a task. And it's not because they support Kamala Harris. It's because they've been told that this is what they have to do. But then it's kind of like, well, why are they able to show up and take a side if they can't do that on the other side? Because the truth is,(...) if you are then(...) not able to be honest about your politics or your point of view and you're a black conservative, but you're making money off people thinking that you're different than who you are, why don't you have a problem with that?

(...)

If she's so opinionated about people being chosen to come and support on the Democratic side, Kamala Harris specifically, well, why aren't you taking issue with the fact that these people have a entire platform and brand that is based on lies because they're selling us a story that's not true?

(...)

I feel like there are celebrities that do speak out.(...) And--

(...)

Courtney had been spoken out. And nobody has a problem with it.

Well, people have a problem with it.

Well--

(...)

We could have a personal trouble with it. My--

(...)

Like, keep the point. Like, you're off my lid. Peace out. Like-- You're immediately ignored by another-- You're done that.

(...)

In support of this guy. If other people don't want to speak out(...) or don't choose to share a politics publicly-- Mm-hmm.

(...)

You can't-- Like, I don't--

(...)

I would fill venture to guess. This looks like-- I don't know. Shit.

(...)

Pretty sure you do. OK.

(...)

(Laughter)

I'd say, mom, mom, mom. Mom, all of the--

I do fertility.

(...)

(Laughter) But I do think that--

(...)

for Beyonce, for example, to publicly support--

(...)

Come on. If someone called her up and said, hey, you're up. You have to do this. Yeah. Time to go do that. It still doesn't tell me that.

(...)

It's shitty. It's just--

(...)

For me, I'm guessing that she's like, OK, well, yeah, I do support Come On. So sure.(...)

Yeah, that's how I feel about it, too.

Kanye would get in that call. He'd be like, fuck, though. I'm good.

(...)

Yeah. I'll deal with the consequences. Listen, I think that there definitely is a much bigger power at play that we do not know about as regular ass people in the world. Thank God for being a regular ass person. I will say, when I was young, I wanted to-- thought I wanted to be famous and do that whole-- dude, I am so grateful, so grateful, that that is not my life. Because I cannot imagine the realities that come with that life that we do not even have any comprehension of.(...) I have seen this little tiny speckle of it just by adjacency. And I'm like, I'm good. But yeah, you would just have to deal with the consequences. And the truth is, these people have enough money and power that they can deal with consequences. Like, a Beyonce can deal with consequences. She can make consequences go away.

(...)

So she doesn't have to do it. And she gave Kamala Harris her song to use, "Freedom," as the theme song for the campaign, which is a big deal, because Beyonce does not do that. Beyonce does not do that. So there has to be some agreement here. There has to

be some-- Yeah. Like, you're not-- You're-- what that lady is talking about-- Doesn't-- Compute-- Like, you're not-- Not fully, no.(...) The celebrities behind the scenes are actually supporting Trump, but overtly have to show up. Like-- That doesn't--

They're just not showing up. They're just, like, being quiet behind the scenes and going and casting their vote for Trump or whoever. And we just will never know about it. And that's fine, too, because the average person is doing that, too. And that's fine, too. Have your opinion.

(...) Third point for the queen, all hail the queen,

(...)

because she supports Kamala. Now all black men go vote for Kamala Harris.

That's the thing, right? It's the black men thing. It's the black men vote.

Yeah, but again-- Like, not seeing retraction here, just because Beyonce supports her doesn't mean anybody else has to.

(...) In fact, I think it's going to make women show up more, not men. Hopefully. Not men, because I don't think that men will be driven by Beyonce for politics. I just don't. I think women will be driven by Beyonce for politics.

And hopefully that will be the case. And hopefully it will. That's what will show up to support.

I am not hearing a whole bunch of anti-Kamala from black women. I am hearing more about this from black men. Do you know anything about that?

(...)

Black women seem to be very much in support of her.

(...)

What's really interesting to me is that black women, though, from my experience, outside of very few black women who work in intercultural, interracial spaces, who are very aware of the language that they use when talking about mixed race people, outside of that, I find almost all black women refer to her as a black woman and don't acknowledge the Indian portion, which I think a lot of times that is what we do as people,(...) the association that we have. And then Indian people, I don't see claiming her Indianness. They call her a black woman, too.

(...)

So--(...) Or they're saying, "Bakimi." Or they're saying, "Black and Indian." But they're not really claiming her as an Indian woman. You think that's going to happen to our kids, one? And two, what do you think that's about?

(...)

Well, I feel like she doesn't look Indian.(...) She

doesn't not look Indian to me. She actually doesn't look overtly black

to me.

Her hair is a giveaway, though.

Her hair is flat ironed the fuck out. What are you talking about? Where is one curl? I have not seen one damn curl in her head.

No, you haven't. I still have black hair.

I don't think she-- I don't see it. I don't. No. That is a blowout. And it's a floppy blowout. It's not even a stiff blowout.

(...)

Her hair-- I honestly think the texture of her hair is probably not that curly.

(...)

Interesting. Well, either way. I think there--(...) Indians are interesting, right?(...) I love your--

(...)

I don't even pass Indian.

(...)

I mean, neither do I. But still,

like--

Indians are interesting. Like, you're legit from India.

(...)

Or you're from India. You brought up here, but you embraced your culture overtly. You got a set poll. You didn't-- But this-- You're not really Indian.

I don't know.

(...)

OK, like our little group of friends that are here, right? There's a few Indian women in that group. I find them very Indian.(...) Very Indian. They are so much more Indian than we are. Like, to me.

(...)

So I don't think it's because you're born in-- I think it's a-- one, it's a look, and two, it's an identity.

But it's-- like, I-- I identify as Indian.

(...)

Or like, Indian American.

(...)

But--

(...)

In most spaces, I would not be Indian enough to be called Indian.

I understand that.

(...)

What is the difference, do you think?

(...)

What is the requirement for being Indian enough in an Indian space?

(...)

Either you have characteristics that make you overtly Indian. OK, like--(...) Like, you have-- I feel like there's certain characteristics. And I'm thinking of one of our friends. A beautiful, gorgeous big guy.

(...)

Really curly,(...) Indian hair.

(...)

To me, like, very Indian, just because of the way she presents.

(...)

Versus someone who maybe still has an Indian accent.

(...)

That's another trait that is like-- Oh, she's Indian, right? OK, yes. If you start talking Indian, then-- Well, he's like, oh, OK. Here, where are you from?(...)

That's all-- that's different, right? Well,(...) if you're dressed like that and talking like that, that's a whole different conversation for a whole different day. Because that's not generally what we are used to seeing with people with accents. But I don't know. I don't know if I agree with that completely. Because the accent, I think, is--

(...)

it's a perception, right?

(...)

You cannot help your accent.(...) I don't think it makes you more or less Indian. You can't help your accent if you've not grown up somewhere and go somewhere else. I speak five languages. There's no way in where I can speak the same way. I spent three weeks in Mexico. I speak Spanish fluently. I'm never going to sound like them. I didn't grow up there. You know what I mean?

(...)

But I agree. There's particular characteristics, for sure.

There's a way of being outside

of the frizzy hair that we talked about one time.

(...)

It's a way of being. It's a way of being.

And it probably to a certain extent your conservatism.

(...)

Like how physically conservative you are, how--(...) Yes. Either are willing to or not willing to talk about third.

Your energy, your openness.

(...)

Or--(...) Your worldview. I feel like-- Both characteristics and then the other set of characteristics.

(...)

You speak the language with hopefully your Indian husband.

(...)

And your kids are Indian. Yes. They all go to the temple. Yeah.(...) There are some buckets

that-- You mean that not everybody is sitting here feeling guilty that they did nothing the last few weeks? Well, all of the different-- because for us Bengali people, we just had Durga Puja, which is the biggest religious holiday of the year, right? And so my parents went to five different Durga Pujas in Toronto. I grew up going to Durga Puja. I grew up doing all of that for all my life.(...) And I mean, I wasn't even in the country, so I could not take my children. But I've never taken my children. And I feel incredibly guilty, which I was going to ask you. Do you want to do the wall, you think, because we probably should. But we can talk about that off the phone.

(...)

(Laughter) Yeah. But yeah, I think that there is a huge group of people who are like us, who grew up here, who still carry forward the tradition, the culture, the religion, the customs of it, that do present day to day more Indian, even though they grew up here just like us. They talk just like us.

Yeah.(...) Exactly. And I feel like the difference is they do all the thing.

Yeah.

(...)

And even if no one knows that you do all the thing, there's something-- That comes with it.

(...)

You like personify it.

(...)

Way about. Yeah. You embody it in personify. And we could do a Diwali thing.

(...)

We were invited to this Diwali dinner today. And I got attacked by the way, we're all dressing in Indian clothes. And I'm all of--

(...)

Like, no.(...) I cannot.

(...)

I don't even know where my freaking Indian clothes are. Right?(...) I'm really going to unpack all of this with my Indian clothes to where that's dressing me

out. Yeah.

(...)

Honestly,(...) one of the reasons where I'm like, oh, we can't go anywhere, because I have Indian clothes, like old ones. I can bust out a sari. I have lots of my mom's saris. I don't have any blouses. I probably just wear it with a rocket tank top or something. I used to do that back in the day anyway. But my kids don't have any. And people be bringing them stuff from India like one or two times. But they never wear it, so they outgrow it. And then it just sits there. And then my mom asked me, she said,(...) my parents are coming for Christmas. And my mom was like, do you want me to bring a little ready-made sari for seven? And my first instinct was to be like, what the-- to wear when. And then I was like, yes, you know what?

Do that.

(...)

Bring it. Next year.

And I actually do want her to have that, because I want her to have access to the culture.(...) But yeah, I see on social media a bunch of my friends that I grew up with or people that I grew up with and not necessarily friends, but are all doing the things, and going to the weddings and going to the things. And there's also an element of being part of an Indian community still, where you still are involved in that, that I think we maybe feel very detached from. And that shows up in how we interact in the

world. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I think that that's part of the problem. Why Kamala is--

(...)

The Indian love?

(...)

Indian.(...) She's getting plenty of love. Wait, question.(...)

If she was Indian and white, do you think Indian people would claim

her? Yes.(...)

Me too. Me too, I think. Yes. I think it's because she's Indian and black. My instinct is yes too. I think if she was Indian and white and still had the exact same husband--

Forget it, if she's Indian and jurist--(...) Oh, no. I mean, that she's

winning out here in the world. Every single Indian person would go vote for her conservative or not. They would be like, she's the one. So I think that the fact that she's Indian and black has more to do with how Indian people are claiming or not claiming her, I have actually read a few articles about her from Indian publications because I was very curious to understand the perspective. And in all fairness, the Indian publications that I follow are a little bit more liberal and a little bit more open-minded because I cannot read them if they're not. It's very hard. And so there's an open-mindedness for sure there. But I don't think that there's a full claiming of.(...) There's still this exploration of because she's black, I don't think they'd be exploring shit if she was white.

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There's nothing to explore. We know whiteness. We were ruled by the British. We love white people. We know all about that shit. So there would be no explanation. But it's like, oh, she's Jamaican. She's black. She went to a black college. And she identifies as being a black woman as well as me. That's different for Indian people. There's never been a public figure in this way. There's been a few. But a lot of Indian people don't know that there's been a few over time. But she's the main and most prominent Blindian ever.

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And so it's interesting to see because I don't think that people would have as much of a hard time

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if she was Indian and white. Yeah.

Yeah. I think you're right about that.

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I think that's very true. On a different level before we wrap up the segment,(...) Trump is--

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I'm a fertility doctor.

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Fertility. And reproductive rights are under attack. Oh my god. It can't even. Your freaking way. It's scary.(...) And I was just at a conference. I met this amazing advocate for fertility.

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Granted, like, very conventional paradigm.

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But she has been very vocal. And a lot of fertility doctors are very vocal about the fact that this man,(...) Romaine Wade-- Thank you to Trump. Yeah, I can't. I cannot, though.

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And then the rumor, or what he originally said,(...) was IVF is not a good thing. Yeah. Get rid of it. They want to get rid of IVF.

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He calls himself the fertility--(...) the IVF.

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What did he call it?

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I am the IVF. Or some shit like that.

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Sorry? What are you

talking about? What? What does that mean?(...) I'm the father of IVF. And the fucking doctor's on.

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Is it because all his children were conceived through IVF? Because no one wants to have sex

with him? Maybe.

Maybe nobody want to have sex with himself.

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I bet you all his children were conceived through IVF. I bet you.

OK, that makes sense.

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And then-- And then he--

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Like-- I watched this interview. And this was the deciding factor for me. I was like, OK, this is a fucking idiot. Like, he's just an idiot.(...) Inkling of--(...) (Inaudible) So we can find his friend away from this-- OK, OK. Which was--

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Oh, we could decide what to do with bignies after they're born. We can't have abortion. Right. At all. What? But we can decide what we do with babies later.

What does that mean?(...) What?(...) What? What does that even mean?

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We can decide what we do with babies later.(...)

Decide? And like, put them up for adoption? I think that's probably what he was talking about.

I'm sorry. That is not-- wow. OK, I can't-- like,

it's hard to even--

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He had the nerve to be like, oh, you shouldn't be allowed to abort a child in the third trimester. I'm like, that shit doesn't happen right now. It had never been legal to abort a child in the third trimester.

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First of all, it's not even fake health--

I don't even think it's a viable thing to do.

Yeah. By that point, it's a fully formed child. Yes.

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So we need like incorrect things? Yes. Oh my god. About medicine? What if he

doesn't believe in science, right?

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There's fertility and reproductive rights. There's also climate change on the other side, which is also science, right? Which he also doesn't believe in. So like, there's nothing happening. It's all made up. I'm sorry, there's a hurricane every single day.

OK, so explain to me, then. Like, we know that this is true. Trump has sent this into other places.

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So why the fuck does Elon support? This man who is like electric regals, electric power in the house, let's make sure everyone can get electric.

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And like,(...) we need to do this for our planet.

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We are--(...) we also-- Elon's very interesting. He's also talked about fertility lately, which is very interesting to me. What's he saying about fertility? What's he saying about fertility?

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He has 13 children. Does he have 13 children?

13 children.

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I could not know that. He has 13 children?

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He's making his mark.

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Who the hell wants to-- well,(...) I-- (Inaudible)(...) OK. I can see the-- I can see the deal. I mean, I can see the money. (Laughter) Right.

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But he has said, like, oh, and without--

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essentially, like, if we don't do something about our problem of the declining copulation-- We're going to have a really big problem. Probably a lot on our hands.

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Fertility. So it's a really big issue. So he's very aware of this.

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And he's also like, oh, we need to like get into space and like figure out what to do next when our possible collapse.

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So like-- So many factors that I'm like-- How-- how do you be your support?

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I'm very confused outside of the fact that you're a freaking-- Billionaire. I don't keep it. I don't keep the logic.

I think it's because he's a billionaire. And listen, at the end of the day, I think they have an insider track that we do not have. They have insider relationships, insider incentives, insider information. They have all sorts of things that we just don't have access to and we can never understand, which makes it more scary. It makes it more scary because you realize that there is very little control that we have. We can vote, but we don't even know if that's for real because that's been fucked with and tampered with too.

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So you know, it's-- yeah,

it's hard. I got that saying, please go out and vote. Please vote. Please vote. I already did. I feel really good about it.(...)

I clearly did not vote for Trump. That's probably evident after this episode.

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You know, I feel good about voting for her given today's circumstances, given the two choices that we have, given where we are in the world, given the fact that-- listen, everybody should be given an opportunity. He's already been given one. He has fucked it up entirely. He is not saying anything positive or good or different. In fact, it feels even more retroactive than it is forward moving this time around. And so, you know, I think it has nothing to do for me with the fact that she's a Blindian woman. It has more to do with, yes, she's a woman. I think the woman part is fantastic. There have been, you know, many countries in the world that are considered third world countries and so on that have elected women for-- into office,(...) Pakistan, India. I mean, just so many

countries. And she does fantastic job.

Bangladesh, most recently, who didn't do a great job. But

yes. The Canadian president did an amazing job. Amazing

job. The Pakistan-- the fact that Pakistan could have a female prime minister is a huge, huge deal. So I think it's time

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