Episode #96 Season 24: Shaun Boyce & Justin Yeo

In this episode of 10 Minutes of Tennis, you'll discover why Justin thinks that Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal (in their prime) could beat the to players of today such as Carlos Alcaraz and Jannik Sinner

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Today is our 10 minutes of tennis

with World Renowned Tennis Coach Australian in Puerto Rico,

Justin Yeo and Justin thinks he thinks people.

He thinks that he is gonna blow my mind

because he thinks his generation can beat up my generation.

It's like the old adage that my dad can beat up your dad, right?

Well, in this case, he thinks 'cause he's a Roger fan,

he thinks Roger can beat Sinner.

Now, Roger and his prime, right Justin?

So, Roger and his prime, you think beats Sinner right now.

Now, I'm using these two as an example.

We can zoom out to Roger, Rafa and the current generation.

But I've given you the starting point.

I've given you the pedestal.

Blow me away.

All right, so I'm just gonna sit the scene.

2009, Australian Open Final.

They were doing the Rafael Nadal tribute today

on the weekend on tennis channel.

And watching that match versus matches today,

I didn't see any different.

If anything was sore, fed or in the dial,

approaching, coming forward, taking a ball earlier

and hitting the ball just as hard, just as athletic

and just as powerful as they are now.

Now, coming forward to 2024, almost 2025.

The players these days are a little more athletic, they say,

but they have to be because they're so far back in the court.

So, none of them, as far as I'm concerned,

in their heyday, Nadal and Federer,

in their heyday would beat Nadal and Federer.

Even today, with sinner and Alkarez,

I can give you some stats, okay?

Sinners average forehand speed is 78 miles per hour.

Federer was 76.

So, and we got to remember--

- Say that again.

- Sinner, average forehand speed,

which everyone talks about how big his strokes are,

was his average speed is 78 miles per hour.

Federer's average speed was 76.

- Okay.

- So-- - Center wins.

- What's next?

- You're also talking 76 on the baseline,

instead of three or four feet back behind the baseline.

- Okay.

- There's a difference there.

Federer's Nadal's was 76 as well.

So, basically same average speed.

If we go into the serves, the average men's serve right now

on the tour is 115, 118 miles per hour.

That's the average speed of the men's first serve speed

on the tour currently.

- Okay.

- Federer's was 128.

- Okay.

- What was his average first serve speed?

- That sounds high.

Considering he didn't go ever above 128.

So, I would question that statistic.

I'd have to look that up as well.

He never went above 128.

There's no way that's his average.

- We're looking at Google right now.

- No way. - So, I disagree with Google.

- Well, so anyway, my theory is,

I'm trying to give you some stats and data

that even while he 2000, so 2009 watching the final,

Federer's like,

Baltas was way higher than when he did before he retired.

So, his fitness level, his agility level, his power level,

his variety of strokes level,

I would literally question.

In Federer's and Nadal's heyday at their highest peak

that I saw in 2009, between the two of them,

they would beat Alcarez, Sinner,

any guy on the tour right now at that day.

So, and I'm very interested in it.

'Cause the reason why I bring that up

is that we talk about generations.

But before that, I don't see San Praes or Agacy,

while we can talk about them all day.

Federer just literally tied away the moral of the tour.

So, if we Federer and Nadal specifically in their heyday,

then there was Jockevic, so I'm not gonna ignore him.

But he turned the whole sport around around

to athleticism, no question.

Flexibility, range of motion,

he changed the game, no question.

So, I'm not taking anything away from him.

I'm just focusing on two guys

that we call the Kings of the Game at one stage,

could beat Sinner, Alcarez, and any of these kids these days

as far as I'm concerned, heyday to heyday.

- Okay, so I like this how my computer

gives me different information from yours.

And this is fun to do because

according to data from the 2009 Wimbledon Championships,

which is that time frame,

I think you were looking at Australian Open.

Average first serve speed for Roger Federer is 118.

We consider Federer as one of the great servers.

And any of the others we look at, okay,

let's look at the top five guys,

or let's look at the top 10 guys.

So, you're not generationally having this conversation.

You're not just saying the top 10 guys

from 10, 15 years ago were better than the top 10 guys now.

You're just talking about two dudes, Roger and Rafa.

So that's the extent of what you're saying.

And we're not discussing Novak

because he's handled both generations.

- Right, and who's dominating the game right now?

Sinner, Alcarez, if I can pay the two of them,

we put in a dial and Federer in the heyday

against all of those two.

I'd be so different that they would,

the young guys would beat those guys in the heyday.

- Because the math that I've done,

and I say the math that I've done,

basically I've done my Google searching too,

and I've found an average of at least 5%,

but never more than 10%.

So somewhere between five and 10%,

ground strokes are bigger, serves are bigger.

Both first and second serves.

Now I'm just looking at top 10 now versus Roger and Rafa,

top 10 in 2005 to 2010, that time frame.

So now versus 15, 20 years ago.

So we're looking at a 5 to 10% increase.

Your argument then is that Roger and Rafa still win.

Rafa, the guy who invented playing 20 feet behind the baseline.

You're gonna tell me that Roger and Rafa still win

because they were both closer to the baseline,

even though everything right now is 5% to 10% bigger,

and these guys are 5% to 10% faster.

- Yeah, actually, if you look back in the days,

I bet you if you recorded Nadal and Federer

from the service line to singles line,

sorry, central line to singles line, and back,

you would find they're probably just as fast and just as quick.

And how much Nadal and Federer, especially Federer,

would take the ball right off the baseline

and hit shot selections like they've never seen before.

They just, I'm telling you, if you watched that 2009

and analyzed it, and I'm sure Craig,

Sean, as he could kill me and tell me which one's really

probably, where's Craig when we need him?

Yeah, yeah.

If I look at the play and the shot selection

off the baseline, things that they were hitting

and the athleticism, they were doing the ins and outs,

the drop shots, the ballies, I'm telling you,

after watching 2009, I was like,

there's not much difference than what I see 20 years,

almost 20 years later, 15 years later,

I don't see much difference at all.

So if we go back another 15, 20 years,

it's just curiosity, kind of the last question

to give a little context to this.

If we go before Roger and Rafa took over tennis

and we go back 15, 20 years, maybe even before Pete Nandre,

maybe to the end of Conor's in that area

before the California boys took over,

that's way way back.

So maybe that's 20, maybe that's 30 years,

I'm just saying 30 years before Roger and Rafa

in that 2009 timeframe.

So late 80s, early 90s.

Okay.

And in that case, if we watch those matches,

if we watch that Pete Andre match,

what was that quarter final, the four tie breakers

in the US open, if we watch that,

are we just gonna, does it look slow?

I would say necessarily look slow,

but I would tell you that the shot selection

and the type of game was totally different than it is now.

I mean, we didn't see Agassi use as much East West

as we see now because of the rackets,

because of the top spin, because of everything else.

You know, Agassi was the King of East way.

He was the King of moving guys side to side.

He was, but it wasn't as wide.

And he could hit North South like there was no tomorrow.

That guy was clean off the baseline North South.

If he wanted to put the ball away, he could do it.

So, and then you, you,

Sam Perez was a lot of servo, I mean,

the guy was the absolute legend with the decision of our

and then you can go back even further and go to Irvine Lendo.

We really didn't play the net at all,

but had a pretty average strong first-er speed

and big forehand and big backhand.

So, but the pace, you can't relate those.

I just don't think we can talk athleticism with them

because Irvine was as fit as a fiddle.

So, it was Jim, Jim, Jim,

Jim Korea.

- Korea.

- They were as fit as fit, you know,

but the way these kids hit the ball now is how does they do?

I would have started watching, like I said, I watched 2009.

I was like, and just to clear the clarification,

Roger Federer's average first serve at the US Open 2012

was 128 miles an hour.

So, it's on the Google right here.

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- I'm not buying it.

I'm not buying it.

I don't think he ever hit a serve over 128.

I'm not buying it.

- I don't think so.

- But Justin, we'll have to look that up for next week.

We'll do a follow-up.

I appreciate it.

Thank you, sir.

This has been 10 minutes of tennis with Justin Yo,

World Round Tennis Coach Australian in Puerto Rico.

Thank you, sir.

We'll see you next week.

- And everybody think it is talking about it.

- I wanna hear it.

We'll talk soon.

- Thanks, mate.

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