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Welcome to Animal Posse, the podcast dedicated to the
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people and rescues making a
difference in the lives of animals.
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Hi Finn,
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Thank you for coming on the show.
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I am looking forward to learning
all about mutual rescue.
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Finn: Excellent.
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It's really nice to meet you, by the way
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Dixie: To start, if you could please
introduce yourself and tell us a
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little bit about mutual rescue.
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Finn: Okay, well my name is Finnegan
Dowling and I am the shelter program and
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engagement manager for mutual rescue.
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A little bit about me.
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I've been in animal sheltering since 1992.
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We were adopting out pteradactyls at that
point, and well I left a couple of times.
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I've pretty much stayed
close to the field.
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What Mutual Rescue is it's an organization
that works to get people more involved
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with their local community shelters.
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Not just , because we believe that helps
the pets, but because that we believe that
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when pets and people engaged together,
people's lives are changed forever.
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And so we believe when you help
animals, you help people too.
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Would we do a number of
different things to demonstrate.
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Just how powerful the
effect of mutual rescue is.
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We have, I think about 33
short films on our website that
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tell stories of rescue pets.
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Changing the lives of the people who
adopted them and helping them grow
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and heal through different situations.
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And , our films are really well done.
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A bunch of them have won awards.
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We have two that will be traveling
with international film festivals
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this year, which is very exciting.
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And then on the shelter side of
things, we do a couple of things.
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We work with shelters to help them start
new programs to better engage with their
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communities, like Day Foster Field Trip.
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And, we also work to make it to make
shelters more accessible to the community.
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So we do a lot of getting basically white
labeled resources translated into Spanish
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by a native speaker in Guadalajara.
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We have an amazing translator.
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And then any shelter that needs.
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Resources in Spanish on pet health,
pet behavior can go ahead and download
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those and put their logos on them.
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On the other side, what we do is we
work with corporations that want to
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partner with local shelters and a lot of.
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Corporations automatically default to
an organization like HSUS or A-S-P-C-A
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or best Friends that does great work.
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But unfortunately those dollars
really don't reach the local
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shelters that need them the most.
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So what we do is we work with corporations
that want to do a national partnership,
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would want the money to go to local
shelters, and we put together groups
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of local shelters in the corporations.
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Geographic footprint.
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And then do you know, marketing
campaigns, partnerships in which the
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monies from the corporations then
immediately goes , to those shelters
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involved in those partnerships.
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And in that way, instead of everybody
fighting over the same small
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amount of philanthropy that goes.
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Towards animal welfare.
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We're trying to grow the pie and
then get that money immediately
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to where the work is being done.
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Which is to the local shelters
and communities around America.
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Dixie: That's amazing.
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And those are great programs too.
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I would definitely wanna
learn more about your language
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accessibility program as well.
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As the day foster programs.
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But before we get into that, since
you have been in animal sheltering
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for so long, what was your.
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Spark that got you into
animal welfare to begin with?
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Finn: I really wish I had some
great story about how I grew up
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completely dedicated to animals and
like came to this with a laser focus.
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But I will be honest with you, that
is just like, like when people fall
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in love with their pets, that's
just not the way it happened.
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Right.
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. I went to a great college in Washington
State, evergreen State College, and I
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was, I went to school when I was younger.
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I was 16 or 17, and my school was
very involved in the community
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and they had a rule that the first
year you had to volunteer so many
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hours in order to pass the year.
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And me being a little bit younger and
a little bit stupider decided that
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I would completely ignore this until
the last two weeks of the school year.
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And then all of a sudden I had
like some ridiculous amount of
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hours that I had to do or else I
would not pass the school year.
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And the only place that
would take me being 17.
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Having to do something absurd, like
a hundred hours or something in a
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month was the local community, the
municipal animal shelter, which at the
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time was like 20 kennels or something.
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And so I was like, cool.
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And I went in and I was in college to
get a degree in long form journalism.
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And I did actually, , I do actually
have a degree in journalism and I
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don't know what it was, but I found.
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So much purpose and so much healing
and so much positivity there.
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And that it just became,
even after I finished those
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hours, I stayed working there.
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I wound up getting a summer job there.
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And over the time that I lived in that
town in Washington on and off for eight
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or nine years, I worked for that shelter.
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I interned there in the
marketing department.
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Even though I was getting a degree
in journalism, it was, I had to
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do an internship of some sort.
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And so , they had me writing
all of their materials and then
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yeah, it just went from there.
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And, , I just wound up never leaving, I
was an animal control officer and then I
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went on to work in shelters in Colorado,
California, Florida, and Nicaragua.
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And it just, even with my degree
in long form journalism, it's
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just always been my passion.
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Dixie: Yeah, that's a pretty cool story.
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So since you do have that degree
in journalism, do you use that to
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write articles for animal welfare?
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Finn: I have in the past, yes.
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I used to, I've written for the Bark,
I've written for Huffington Post.
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And a couple of other, oh, I forget,
there's a couple of places that
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my writing has been published.
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I've written a lot for , the mutual
rescue blog, and then before I came
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to Mutual Rescue, I was actually,, the
marketing manager, , or the marketing,
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, for Humane Society of Silicon Valley.
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And I wrote a ton of stuff there
and we wound up winning some awards
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for it, like just for some goofy.
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Sort of marketing posts that I did.
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So I've always stayed close to
writing in the work that I do.
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But even though I love writing, my,
my big passion right now is not just
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the animals, but shelter people.
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Frontline workers are my tribe
and they inspire me every day.
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So while I love doing the writing
parts of my job, I really love working
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with the shelter workers a lot.
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'cause I feel most at home doing that.
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Dixie: With the language
accessibility program with mutual
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rescue, tell us how that got
started and why is that beneficial?
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Finn: I will start with why that's
beneficial and we'll talk about, and full
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disclaimer, my name is Finnegan Dowling.
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I am obviously not Latino.
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My family's actually Boston Irish.
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But it came about for a bunch of reasons.
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Number one, when I was younger, I went
and worked in a shelter in Nicaragua
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for a couple years and that was a
very eyeopening experience to me of
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how many cultural miscommunications
there are and how we tend to really
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view things in the US through.
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Without thinking of other people's
traditions, other people's cultures,
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and what I saw in Nicaragua.
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Was a culture of people who really
loved their pets, doing the absolute
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best they could with limited resources.
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And that was really eye-opening to me
because I had a lot of preconceptions
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having, coming from American sheltering,
which I hate to say it, but does have a
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really big problem with being prejudiced
against migrant communities and
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communities that speak other languages.
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It's not even that we're prejudice towards
them, it's that we completely ignore.
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And I don't believe that is on purpose.
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I believe that is a lot of times a lack
of resources and a lack of knowledge.
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But , why is this important?
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Is because, A, we're not adopting
out as many pets we as we could
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be from a sheltering perspective.
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I'll get to the human
perspective in a second.
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B.
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We're taking in animals.
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We don't need to be taking in.
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We're not engaging our full
community for foster, for adoption.
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One of the things I teach is I teach
marketing workshops and how to write
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for difficult animals or how to write
for social media for long stay pets.
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And I always hear from when I'm
teaching, well, we put out so many
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pleases and the community isn't, and
nobody in the community is listening.
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And my question is always.
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Did you really ask everybody?
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Because I live in Texas, population of
my state is 28% Spanish speaking at the
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in home, which means that two out of
three more, almost three out of 10 people
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prefer to get, are more comfortable
processing information in Spanish and we
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are not providing for those people, but
then we're villainizing that population.
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For years, sheltering , has completely
ignored the people in their community
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that speak other languages and then
at the same time villainize them
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for not taking advantage of the
programs or not following the rules.
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When in reality we've never made
any attempt in a lot of cases to
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even try to engage them or try to
show them the resources and programs
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and everything that are available.
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So that's a huge problem
on a sheltering side.
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Everybody knows that we're full right now.
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Like what could you do with almost 30%
more of your community helping you out?
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Like from a sheltering side,
that's huge on the human side.
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Let's just talk about the
differing experiences that a
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Spanish speaker would have.
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Versus an English speaking person
at a shelter and in a lot of
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shelters, and there are some
shelters that are not like this.
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There are a lot of shelters that
do really well at having bilingual
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staff that do really well at
working to find ways to communicate.
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But let's say that most
shelters, you have a cat.
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Let's call this cat Tom.
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Okay?
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Here's Tom, the cat.
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Tom isn't using his litter box.
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So in most shelters now, we work
a lot on diversion, meaning can
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we help you to keep that pet?
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So Jane Smith comes in with Tom and
she speaks English and she says,
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Tom doesn't, Tom isn't using the
litter box and I have to give him up.
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And in most shelters, because
we are really focusing on
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diversion now, we'll say.
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Can we help you with that?
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Before you surrender him, can we give
you some behavioral materials that
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might help you solve the problems?
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A lot of times litter box issues can
be an easy fix, that sort of thing.
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And we're able to de deter a lot of.
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Surrenders that way by helping
people solve really basic problems.
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Ms.
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Smith takes her, takes Tom, and she
goes home and she feels empowered
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and she feels like that shelter
really values her as a pet owner and
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values the bond between her and Tom.
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So now let's have another family
go in and let's have them be
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Spanish speakers and they have
Tom and we can give them any name.
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I won't even try to give them a name.
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But anyway, so this family
goes in and they speak Spanish.
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First of all, they bring, go in
and place Tom on the table, and
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immediately, if there's not a bilingual
staff person at the front desk,
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they have to find somebody to go up.
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What's going?
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So first of all, this
family now feels like.
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They're not really welcome at this
shelter and anything to begin with.
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Not even that they're not welcome,
but it's just not set up for them.
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It's not designed for them.
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That sort of thing, that
experience of being like, whoa,
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there's nothing here for me.
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But then they do get somebody
and they communicate, well,
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Tom's not using the litter box.
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Well, we don't have any materials
to help you and nobody, we
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don't really have enough Spanish
speakers to talk you through.
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Possible litter box issues, and we
don't have any handouts for you to
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keep Tom, so we're just gonna take Tom,
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what is the difference between the
experience of those two people?
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What are we telling that community when
we really need all of our community
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to feel welcome and to feel that the
shelter has resources for them and the
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shelter values their bond with their pet?
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What do we say when we do that?
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And it's not the shelter's fault
because like I said, many of
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them don't have the resources.
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But to be able to do that or.
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I don't know, maybe, they have
leadership that is not seeing the full
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picture, but it's just not happening.
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And so , our big thing is what if
we just came up with all of these
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resources, put them out there.
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Any shelter can take them, put
their own logo on them and use them.
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So maybe when that family comes in
with Tom and he's having litter box
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issues, they can not only keep Tom from
coming into the shelter, but they can
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also show that family, Hey, we value.
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That bond between Tom and your
family, just as much as we valued Mrs.
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Smith's bond with her cat, and we really,
we're, and we're gonna empower you to
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help Tom and keep him in your home.
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It's a big thing.
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Dixie: How many instructional
videos do you have that would
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be accessible in Spanish?
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Finn: Right now we don't have any videos.
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We have 50 handouts that
are translated into Spanish.
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They're all written at all
of the information is solid.
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It's all positive reinforcement.
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Training and basic health and vet
care on different subjects like
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litter box issues for adoptions,
introducing a new dog to your home.
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Some health things,
fleas, spay and neuter.
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We have all of those handouts available,
and it's one click to download each
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handout and two clicks for any shelter
to add their own logo at the top,
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and then they can just go ahead and
start using them and giving them out.
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What we're working on right now
with our translator who's amazing.
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He is Danielle Luna of Luna
Languages in Guadalajara, Mexico,
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and he is also a Spanish teacher.
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With about nine years of experience
teaching people all over the world,
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and he is putting together, we have
two that are in post-production
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and three that and more coming.
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And we're doing a series of short
videos that will also live on the
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same web webpage as the handouts.
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And those videos will teach
animal shelter workers.
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Really basic Spanish.
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We're not trying to teach anybody
to be fluent, we, but just
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things like vocabulary words
that you'll hear in the shelter.
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How to greet a Spanish speaker,
how to figure out what's going on.
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Just some basic words so that at
least when that family comes in, you
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can show them that you are making
that effort and that you're trying
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to communicate with them and also.
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These lessons the ones that
we have done, they're fun.
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They're three to five minutes long, so
it's just something that shelters workers
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can watch in between appointments when
they get a slow minute at the desk.
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Ha.
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There's never a slow minute at the desk.
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I know that.
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But, just something that's
really fun and easy.
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And so we have, I think actually,
I think we're up to three now.
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They're in veteran post-production,
and it will be a whole series of videos
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that will take people first through
how to pronounce the vowels, how to
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pronounce things, and then into words,
and then just into basic interactions.
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So, and those will also
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Dixie: For small rescues or foster
based rescues, do you have any resources
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for them to say recruit new volunteers
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in Spanish
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Finn: speaking volunteers?
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Dixie: Correct?
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Finn: I do not.
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However, that is an excellent idea.
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I have presented on language
and cultural accessibility with
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the incredible Jackie Hernandez.
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Of she works for Nebraska Humane,
but she's also the head of an
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organization called so which is Soar.
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I can never remember.
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Solidarity of Latin American
shelter workers and basically
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solidarity of shelter workers now
for the Latin American community.
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And she has some great examples.
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That I could send you from Nebraska
Humane of how they have gone about
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recruiting bilingual volunteers.
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So know, well, we don't have those
resources because we try to keep
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things pretty general and with
things like that, we have gotten
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requests for a white label form.
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But the problem is that everybody's
requirements for foster and
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volunteer are very different.
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But you can literally.
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Write something up and get
it translated for $25 a page.
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And it seems like with those shelters,
you would actually be looking for more of
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a bilingual shelter worker who would be
able to read in English in both Spanish.
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So I think putting those
please out in English.
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That you need bilingual
workers would actually help.
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As long as you specify you are looking
for a bilingual worker, because it sounds
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like what you're looking for, what you're
asking about is help for these rescues to
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help them have somebody that can actually
speak to Spanish speakers on site.
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Dixie: Correct, correct.
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Or if you have a foster, and let's
say you find a Spanish speaking only
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Foster and you only speak English,
just a way to communicate with them.
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Now another tool.
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Could you use like, like a
AI tool to speak with them?
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Finn: You could, but you do have to
be a little bit careful about it.
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And I will tell you because
there's a lot of terms that we use.
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In English about our pets
that just do not translate
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into Spanish.
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And for that, so for that like,
for basic information, yes.
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But I'll give you a fun example is that
when we started doing the handouts,
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one of the ones we did was was, on
dealing with juvenile dogs in rough play
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with juvenile, like how to keep your
juvenile dog from being jumpy and mouthy.
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And we used the term
wrestling with your dog.
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And of course Daniel, our
translator, he was like, what?
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He calls me up and he goes,
what is wrestling with the dog?
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Because he's Mexican, he
is born and bred in Mexico.
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And I'm like, excuse me?
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He's like, what do you mean
by wrestling with the dog?
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So I explained it to him and I
forget what term he used, but he
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was like, oh, okay, it's this.
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And so then I went to AI and I put in
wrestling with the dog and asked it to
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translate it to Spanish, and it gave me
in Spanish doing lucha libre with your
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dog, which is a hysterical chat, GPT
prompt, but does not make any sense.
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So you've gotta be a little bit careful
with something like that, with using
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chat GPT for stuff like that, like
behavioral or really specific stuff.
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But it can function pretty
well for that as well.
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The other option I would tell, I
would really encourage small foster
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based rescues and smaller shelters
to do is to consider reaching out to
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local colleges or community colleges
and recruiting volunteer translators.
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Recruiting people saying, Hey, we're
looking for volunteer bilingual
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translators that can be available,
that if I need to talk to my Spanish
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speaking foster parent they can jump on
a three-way call and translate with me.
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It's a really easy volunteer
job for maybe somebody who's in
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college and can't always come out
to help but wants to help, can do.
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And so maybe try looking, re recruiting
for a bilingual person who's willing to
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be a translation volunteer via phone.
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Dixie: That's good advice.
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Are there any plans to
expand to other languages?
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Finn: Yes.
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Yes.
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In fact one of the, we offer all
of the blanks in English as well,
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just so that people shelters know
what they're handing out in English.
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I think it was Good Shepherd
Humane Society in Arkansas.
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I was talking to, I believe he's the
director over there, I forget his name,
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but he also works with, I believe it's
the Rural Rescue Network and where they
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are at, they have a very large population
of people who speak the language.
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Karen, which is a language that
is spoken on the border of, I
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wanna say Thailand and Myanmar.
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But they have, that area has a large
meat processing plant and that employs
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a lot of migrants who only speak Karen.
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And so Good Shepherd Humane is
translating our originals into
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Karen for their population.
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And when they do that, they've graciously
offered to let us have those translations.
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So we will also have them in Karen.
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That was not the next language we
planned to expand into, but it's
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opportunistic and we'll take it.
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And we know Minnesota has a
large population of and Illinois.
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Both have large populations
of Karen speakers as well.
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But we are our plans for our next
official language that we will expand
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into will probably be Vietnamese
or Chinese, where we will look
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demographically at where to go next
of where the greatest need is next.
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Yes, we definitely have plans that
this will not just be Spanish.
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Spanish is just the first
one we're rolling out.
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As far as we know, we're the first
shelter to do this and so as our first
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organization to do this, so we're still
working out the kinks with Spanish.
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Dixie: Great.
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That's awesome.
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And it's good to know that you're
expanding to the other languages as well.
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I was actually gonna ask about Vietnamese,
'cause we have a large Vietnamese
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population here where I am in Louisiana.
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Finn: Yes.
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Yeah, we have a large Vietnamese
population here too, in Corpus Christi
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and where mutual rescue is based out
of, which is we're a national initiative
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of Humane Society, Silicon Valley.
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And that in that area, it, there is a,
an awful lot of Vietnamese speakers.
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So actually Vietnamese was
going to be our next language.
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Dixie: So now onto your day,
foster programs for shelters.
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Can you give us an overview of that?
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Finn: So, just to give an
explanation on what Day Foster
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is, we call it Doggy Day Out.
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Different shelters all have their
own names for their own programs.
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We call it Doggy Day Out.
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And what Doggy Day Out is where you
can go to an animal shelter for a day.
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You can go to an animal shelter
and basically take a dog.
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An adoptable pet out
for a foster field trip.
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You can go for a walk in the park.
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You can go get a pup cup together.
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You can go have lunch
on a pet friendly patio.
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You can just.
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Meander through the city.
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You can basically just give the dog
a break from the shelter and also
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give it a chance to be seen by more
people than just visit the shelter.
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And research has shown that dogs that
go out on day, foster field trips are
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five times more likely to get adopted.
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And dogs that if the people
keep the dog for a sleepover.
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They're 14 times more
likely to be adopted.
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And the, this program particularly is
a magic bullet for getting large dogs,
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blocky head dogs that generally just
do not show well in a shelter setting.
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This project or this program is a magic
bullet for getting these dogs adopted.
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Because people can see how they
behave in the real world and can
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see like, oh, when they're not being
completely crazy in their kennel.
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They're also great for making
better adoptions because as shelter
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workers, we only know what we see.
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We might have, when a dog, an animal
comes into our shelter, we might have
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some background from the prior owner, but
really what we're judging the animal on is
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the behavior we're seeing in the shelter.
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So the more you can get animals
outside of the shelter and see how
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they behave in normal situations.
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The better you can match, make
adoptions, the better understanding
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you have of their temperament.
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And the public loves it as well.
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People really love it.
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And we thought this program was so
important back in, I think, 2017,
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that every shelter should have it
that we did, we're very big on, on
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easy to use, download resources,
put your logo on it and go.
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And so we created the Doggy Day Out
toolkit, which is, you can download
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it and it's about 40 pages long.
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Don't get scared.
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It's not homework, but what it
is it's a manual for the shelter
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on how to start the program.
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There's a manual for
participants in the program.
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There's template documents that you can
use, and it's all in a word file, so
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you can just take whatever you need.
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Change the text as you need to,
again, add your own logos to it.
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And it's like a program in a box.
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And it's been really good
for helping smaller shelters
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get a program up from zero.
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'cause look, you've already
got the manuals, you've got a
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very, the template for different
forms that you can work off of.
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So there you go.
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I present on this program a lot,
and I've worked with VCA charities
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a couple times to co-facilitate
three-day workshops for groups of
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shelters on starting these programs.
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And they have spread all across the
country, and they're absolutely magical,
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like I said, and the public loves
them, and when shelters start them,
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they start to see people that never
would've come into the shelter before.
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Come in 'cause people wanna help and
if you give them an easy low lift way
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to help, they will show up in droves.
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Dixie: You said you do see a lot of
adoptions for the big dogs coming
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from this doggy day out program.
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Is it usually the people that
are doing the short term foster
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and doing the sleepovers?
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Or is it also just beneficial for
the dog's wellbeing in general?
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So that.
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The next time they interact with
somebody, they might interact better.
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Finn: It's I don't have data, like
solid data on the amount of how
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many of the participants actually
wound up taking, adopting the dogs.
461
00:26:26,090 --> 00:26:28,430
I believe there is
national data from the Dr.
462
00:26:28,430 --> 00:26:30,380
Lisa Gunter study that she did.
463
00:26:31,175 --> 00:26:34,385
Which is absolutely excellent,
which was the one that showed that
464
00:26:34,385 --> 00:26:38,765
five times increase and that 14
times increase for sleepovers.
465
00:26:38,865 --> 00:26:41,385
I've seen some I know
it varies regionally.
466
00:26:41,455 --> 00:26:45,535
Like to go back to my friend Jackie
at Nebraska, I believe she said
467
00:26:45,535 --> 00:26:48,655
that she saw a lot of adoptions
come directly from participants.
468
00:26:48,655 --> 00:26:55,465
But what you see a lot more is what I
like to call like partner marketing and
469
00:26:55,465 --> 00:27:00,295
word of mouth, which is that somebody
takes a day out a dog out for the day.
470
00:27:00,725 --> 00:27:03,995
And the other, the thing,
one of the things that Dr.
471
00:27:03,995 --> 00:27:07,655
Lisa Gunther's study showed was that
like the median age of people that
472
00:27:07,655 --> 00:27:13,175
participated in this were in their, like
in thirties, so pretty tech savvy group
473
00:27:13,175 --> 00:27:15,005
of people that are on social media.
474
00:27:15,005 --> 00:27:18,635
So people take a dog out for the
day and they take photos and they
475
00:27:18,635 --> 00:27:19,865
put it on their social media.
476
00:27:21,155 --> 00:27:24,215
And now that dog's that reach.
477
00:27:24,890 --> 00:27:27,890
Beyond just people who
follow the shelters page.
478
00:27:28,220 --> 00:27:35,170
And also it has the effect of acting as
a personal recommendation, which is the
479
00:27:35,170 --> 00:27:37,450
strongest form of recommendation there is.
480
00:27:37,660 --> 00:27:40,870
We can write that Bucky is a
good dog on our website till the
481
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:42,850
dog, till the cows come home.
482
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,430
But if your best friend comes up
and says, Hey, I took this dog Bucky
483
00:27:46,430 --> 00:27:49,910
out yesterday and he's a great dog,
you're gonna believe that a lot more.
484
00:27:49,910 --> 00:27:54,680
So a lot of that we see too, is that
the people that take these dogs out,
485
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:59,150
even if they don't adopt them, they
wind up becoming advocates for them,
486
00:27:59,210 --> 00:28:01,010
and that helps them get adopted.
487
00:28:01,340 --> 00:28:04,310
And that advocacy can look as simple as.
488
00:28:04,930 --> 00:28:07,630
Just posting about their
dog on their social media or
489
00:28:07,630 --> 00:28:09,280
that advocacy can look like.
490
00:28:09,730 --> 00:28:14,470
I've seen people pay the adoption fees
for their dog, the dog they took out,
491
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:20,650
or bring, gifts or whatever that will be
sent with the dog that he is adopted out.
492
00:28:20,650 --> 00:28:23,980
But we do see that conversion
to advocacy for that pet.
493
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,390
And I think it's Kristen Hassan
who has said, seen is saved.
494
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:33,190
And when you get these dogs outta
the shelter and you get them seen.
495
00:28:33,985 --> 00:28:37,795
You have people advocating
for them, it works.
496
00:28:39,355 --> 00:28:42,865
Dixie: What are some of the most
common misconceptions people have about
497
00:28:42,865 --> 00:28:44,905
taking a shelter dog on a day out?
498
00:28:46,685 --> 00:28:49,115
Finn: The public is like all in for this.
499
00:28:49,205 --> 00:28:53,465
So most of the misconceptions that I've
seen have come from shelters and they've
500
00:28:53,465 --> 00:28:55,445
tend to come from high barrier shelters.
501
00:28:56,045 --> 00:29:01,565
The public's misconception, just to
answer that really quickly, is that it's
502
00:29:01,565 --> 00:29:06,125
like rent a dog that you can call up
and say like, Hey, I wanna take a six
503
00:29:06,125 --> 00:29:09,035
month old French bulldog out for six.
504
00:29:09,575 --> 00:29:10,805
Yeah, that's not gonna happen.
505
00:29:11,355 --> 00:29:13,425
You're gonna get the dogs
that are in the shelter.
506
00:29:14,975 --> 00:29:19,305
And most of the shelters are
really prioritizing the dogs
507
00:29:19,305 --> 00:29:20,965
that are going to be large dogs.
508
00:29:21,295 --> 00:29:24,295
But I think that are gonna be the
long stay dogs and those tend to
509
00:29:24,295 --> 00:29:28,885
be larger, but I think the public's
misconceptions would really be, the
510
00:29:28,885 --> 00:29:31,015
dog will be sad when it comes back.
511
00:29:31,015 --> 00:29:32,875
And I hear that from the shelters too.
512
00:29:33,335 --> 00:29:36,725
Cortisol studies showed that, no,
that's not the way that works.
513
00:29:36,775 --> 00:29:37,135
Dr.
514
00:29:37,135 --> 00:29:41,125
El Gunter, who's incredible, if you have
the chance to look at any of her research.
515
00:29:41,705 --> 00:29:42,365
Amazing.
516
00:29:42,835 --> 00:29:47,425
She did a study on the cortisol levels
and what she found is that the cortisol
517
00:29:47,425 --> 00:29:51,795
levels, the stress levels of the dog go
down when they go out, obviously they're
518
00:29:51,795 --> 00:29:56,355
out there having a good time and then when
they come back in, they just re return
519
00:29:56,355 --> 00:29:58,125
to the same level they were at before.
520
00:29:59,475 --> 00:30:03,735
So the dog is not getting more
stressed from coming back at all.
521
00:30:03,735 --> 00:30:09,525
It's just really reacting to in the
same amount of stress to being in a
522
00:30:09,525 --> 00:30:16,155
shelter, but it's functioning the way
that a weekend functions for humans.
523
00:30:16,455 --> 00:30:21,825
Meaning that if you leave work on
Friday and you're stressed and then you
524
00:30:21,825 --> 00:30:26,115
get relaxed over the weekend and you
go back to work on Monday and you're
525
00:30:26,115 --> 00:30:29,895
stressed, does that mean that you would
go give up that weekend to not have
526
00:30:29,895 --> 00:30:31,575
to go back to work and be stressed?
527
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,730
No, you're not making the dog sad by
taking it out and bringing it back.
528
00:30:36,890 --> 00:30:38,270
That's not the way that works.
529
00:30:38,270 --> 00:30:42,370
That's literally the dog is
just going back to the exact
530
00:30:42,370 --> 00:30:43,840
same way it was in the shelter.
531
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,560
But maybe now it's a little bit
more tired and has had a great day
532
00:30:47,980 --> 00:30:50,110
and it's been seen by the public.
533
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:55,010
The big conception misconceptions
I get from shelters, people
534
00:30:55,010 --> 00:30:56,360
are gonna steal the dogs.
535
00:30:56,990 --> 00:30:57,620
No, they're not.
536
00:30:59,180 --> 00:31:00,380
I'm sure it can happen.
537
00:31:00,380 --> 00:31:05,690
But if you wanna get, if you're looking
to do something nefarious with a dog, you
538
00:31:05,690 --> 00:31:07,910
are not gonna go to an animal shelter.
539
00:31:08,150 --> 00:31:13,820
Show them your id, sign a bunch of legal
forms, have them walk you out to your car
540
00:31:13,820 --> 00:31:15,770
with the dog and see your license plate.
541
00:31:16,450 --> 00:31:18,160
To do something nefarious to a dog.
542
00:31:18,190 --> 00:31:21,760
You can go on Facebook, you
can go on Craigslist and get
543
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,500
a dog with no questions asked.
544
00:31:23,500 --> 00:31:27,370
So no people are not going to steal
the dogs or do bad things to them.
545
00:31:27,900 --> 00:31:31,230
People are also think,
what if the dog gets lost?
546
00:31:31,260 --> 00:31:32,880
What if the dog gets into a fight?
547
00:31:33,210 --> 00:31:35,880
Obviously, there are
guardrails around this program.
548
00:31:35,910 --> 00:31:40,800
The first thing that I tell everybody
when they start a program is no dog parks.
549
00:31:41,490 --> 00:31:45,060
You will never be taking a dog to
a dog park and that all of your
550
00:31:45,060 --> 00:31:46,980
participants need to know that this is.
551
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,740
Not a dog park activity.
552
00:31:49,740 --> 00:31:54,450
This is not a go play with other
dogs activity or meet strange dogs.
553
00:31:54,690 --> 00:31:58,680
This is for that dog to get some
one-on-one attention and a stress
554
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,670
break, and it needs to always be
on leash and an adult always has
555
00:32:02,670 --> 00:32:04,170
to be in charge of that leash.
556
00:32:05,270 --> 00:32:08,750
The only exception to that is if you're
bringing the dog to your home with no
557
00:32:08,750 --> 00:32:12,140
other pets and you're letting the dog
play in your fenced backyard for a couple
558
00:32:12,140 --> 00:32:15,620
hours, which is great, or even let you
know, then you can take the dog off leash.
559
00:32:15,620 --> 00:32:19,340
But no and if shelters are really
worried about it, I just tell 'em
560
00:32:19,340 --> 00:32:23,300
to go buy a pack of air tags and
air tag the dogs when they go out.
561
00:32:23,410 --> 00:32:25,150
I have air tags in all my luggage.
562
00:32:25,950 --> 00:32:29,640
But yeah, the misconceptions are that this
program's a lot more dangerous than it is.
563
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,200
It's really not that people
are gonna steal the dogs.
564
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,050
They're not going to, that the
dogs are going to be heartbroken
565
00:32:35,050 --> 00:32:36,580
and miserable when they come back.
566
00:32:36,580 --> 00:32:37,000
Nope.
567
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,520
Data shows the answer to
that is a big old, solid.
568
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,070
No, it's pretty much all positive.
569
00:32:43,660 --> 00:32:44,290
Dixie: That's cool.
570
00:32:44,650 --> 00:32:48,580
Now, are there any ways to implement
a similar program for cats?,
571
00:32:48,580 --> 00:32:51,880
Of course, I know you couldn't
go take a cat out on a walk, but.
572
00:32:52,420 --> 00:32:56,710
For shelters that do have like a large
cat population, is there any kind of
573
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:59,950
way you could do like a weekend program
for cats that would be beneficial?
574
00:33:01,930 --> 00:33:07,030
Finn: I don't have the behavioral data
on that, but like I am a firm believer
575
00:33:07,035 --> 00:33:13,110
of, and in any kind of short term foster,
I am a firm believer in any opportunity
576
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:16,860
you have an animal to get, you have
to get an animal out of the shelter
577
00:33:16,860 --> 00:33:18,660
and see how it behaves in real life.
578
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,950
Be it for a weekend,
that is an opportunity.
579
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:28,090
I also believe that we are not jailers.
580
00:33:28,420 --> 00:33:33,070
It is not our purpose to take these
animals into shelter or rescue and hold
581
00:33:33,070 --> 00:33:35,050
them hostage, and they have to stay there.
582
00:33:35,050 --> 00:33:36,370
These animals have done nothing wrong.
583
00:33:37,105 --> 00:33:41,885
They have the right to go
experience normal life, and it
584
00:33:41,885 --> 00:33:43,985
is not our place to defer that.
585
00:33:43,985 --> 00:33:47,945
So if you have somebody that
says, I would like to take Ms.
586
00:33:47,945 --> 00:33:49,685
Kitty home for the weekend.
587
00:33:50,270 --> 00:33:54,860
Then yes, I believe that a program that's
a beneficial program would I put some
588
00:33:54,860 --> 00:33:57,260
guardrails around it, just knowing cats?
589
00:33:57,290 --> 00:33:58,490
Yeah, definitely.
590
00:33:58,550 --> 00:34:02,720
Obviously you're not gonna take 'em
out on a walk, and maybe if you were
591
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,660
gonna bring home an older cat for
the weekend, you would say, Hey,
592
00:34:05,710 --> 00:34:10,929
she needs to stay in your bedroom
with the door closed and and
593
00:34:10,929 --> 00:34:12,219
the litter box in the bathroom.
594
00:34:12,219 --> 00:34:16,210
Just 'cause we know a lot of times
when cats are in new places, it's
595
00:34:16,210 --> 00:34:20,260
a lot less overwhelming for them
to be in a smaller area first.
596
00:34:20,469 --> 00:34:24,159
So if you were doing a short-term
foster, I would just say maybe that
597
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:26,679
would be the guardrails you would put
around it, is that you just say, Hey,
598
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:29,560
we're just gonna ask that you keep 'em
in an enclosed area until they start
599
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:30,880
to seem a little bit more comfortable,
600
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,070
Dixie: yeah, I think that could work.
601
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,739
I do cat rescue, so knowing cat
behavior, you always will see these
602
00:34:36,739 --> 00:34:39,920
cats that you're like, oh yeah, you
can bring them into your house, and
603
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,480
they're gonna be totally comfortable.
604
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,250
And then you have these other
ones that are like, no, it's gonna
605
00:34:44,250 --> 00:34:45,480
take them a while to warm up.
606
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,060
You have to have them in their
like little safe, small place.
607
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,114
But yeah, I think like a weekend thing.
608
00:34:50,114 --> 00:34:52,545
I never thought about doing like
a weekend thing, but I think that
609
00:34:52,545 --> 00:34:54,284
could even be beneficial for people.
610
00:34:55,050 --> 00:34:58,350
Just to experience kittens,
fostering kittens for a weekend
611
00:34:58,650 --> 00:35:00,060
rather than fostering 'em.
612
00:35:00,060 --> 00:35:00,360
Oh, definitely.
613
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:05,850
The whole time from, them reaching an
age and size that they can be spayed,
614
00:35:05,850 --> 00:35:07,500
neutered, and then go up for adoption.
615
00:35:08,970 --> 00:35:13,235
Finn: Oh, and not only that, but imagine
how many more fosters you would have.
616
00:35:14,385 --> 00:35:18,705
If your fosters knew that they could
go away for the weekend and there
617
00:35:18,705 --> 00:35:22,095
would be somebody that could take their
pet, their foster for the weekend,
618
00:35:22,475 --> 00:35:25,835
and so they wouldn't have to cancel
their trip or not, or choose between
619
00:35:25,835 --> 00:35:28,685
fostering and or taking a trip.
620
00:35:29,085 --> 00:35:32,865
Or they just knew like, Hey, these
kittens are driving me nuts and
621
00:35:32,865 --> 00:35:35,085
I just need a break for 24 hours.
622
00:35:35,085 --> 00:35:36,555
If they knew that was an option.
623
00:35:37,845 --> 00:35:41,115
And I wish I had this study in front of
me, but there was a great study and one
624
00:35:41,115 --> 00:35:45,375
of the big from, I wanna say Maddie's
fund, and one of the biggest fears that
625
00:35:45,375 --> 00:35:48,675
people had about fostering was not knowing
how long they would have the animal.
626
00:35:49,275 --> 00:35:52,365
And so if you have short-term
foster, you can become a lot more
627
00:35:52,365 --> 00:35:54,555
flexible with your long-term fosters.
628
00:35:54,765 --> 00:35:58,785
You can tell them like, Hey, we've
got Becky, she only does weekends, if.
629
00:35:59,085 --> 00:36:03,885
You wanna foster, but you know that
you'd like to have your weekends free,
630
00:36:03,885 --> 00:36:05,895
then we can still use you as a foster.
631
00:36:05,895 --> 00:36:06,405
That's great.
632
00:36:06,675 --> 00:36:10,785
So it opens the pool of fosters
up a lot bigger and I do think
633
00:36:10,785 --> 00:36:12,345
it could work for an adult cat.
634
00:36:12,765 --> 00:36:18,105
But just like with doggy day out, you
don't send every dog on a doggy day out.
635
00:36:18,165 --> 00:36:21,255
Obviously there are some dogs
that it's just not gonna work for.
636
00:36:21,255 --> 00:36:21,345
Right?
637
00:36:21,345 --> 00:36:23,055
Be it because they're very reactive.
638
00:36:23,385 --> 00:36:25,095
And it would be the same thing with cats.
639
00:36:25,095 --> 00:36:30,165
Like you would not send that shy cat
on a weekend foster, but kittens or
640
00:36:30,165 --> 00:36:34,635
like the big Tom who just got neutered,
who's got cheeks out to the walls, who
641
00:36:34,635 --> 00:36:38,175
just like rolls over on his stomach
every time anyone looks at him.
642
00:36:38,175 --> 00:36:40,155
Like, yeah, send him
out to a weekend Foster.
643
00:36:40,215 --> 00:36:40,545
Great.
644
00:36:41,175 --> 00:36:44,335
Dixie: And even if they didn't get
adopted by the people that are doing the
645
00:36:44,335 --> 00:36:49,409
temporary fostering, it gets 'em more
socialized And get 'em more exposure.
646
00:36:50,338 --> 00:36:54,658
Finn: and the more you can give your
foster homes flexibility, the more foster
647
00:36:54,658 --> 00:36:57,788
homes you'll have, the more you will give.
648
00:36:57,788 --> 00:37:02,108
And also even just having a short
term foster for a cat that's
649
00:37:02,108 --> 00:37:04,658
returned that happens in rescue.
650
00:37:04,658 --> 00:37:08,618
People adopt a kitten and then they
realize, I don't know, maybe their
651
00:37:08,618 --> 00:37:13,598
kids are too rough for it, or something
like that, and they need to return it.
652
00:37:13,598 --> 00:37:15,488
And you don't have a
foster home available.
653
00:37:15,488 --> 00:37:19,898
You call a weekend foster person, and that
at least buys you some time or a short
654
00:37:19,898 --> 00:37:26,448
term foster to make a longer term plan for
that animal I am a firm believer in short
655
00:37:26,448 --> 00:37:28,938
term foster and also a lot of people.
656
00:37:29,478 --> 00:37:33,648
That start at short-term fosters, I
think that's something like up to 37%
657
00:37:33,678 --> 00:37:35,838
will convert to longer term fostering.
658
00:37:36,198 --> 00:37:42,048
So it's a great gateway drug for people
to get into to get their feet wet with
659
00:37:42,048 --> 00:37:45,948
fostering until they get comfortable
enough to take on long-term fosters.
660
00:37:46,123 --> 00:37:49,903
Dixie: Another thing too, with a
doggy day out and doing say the
661
00:37:49,903 --> 00:37:55,288
weekend is it ever an issue where
people might flake out, bring the dog.
662
00:37:56,003 --> 00:38:00,743
Home, say like on a Friday the shelter
could be closed on a Saturday, but
663
00:38:00,743 --> 00:38:03,203
then they like totally flake out
and they're like, I can't do this.
664
00:38:03,203 --> 00:38:04,253
I need to bring the dog back.
665
00:38:04,613 --> 00:38:05,783
Is that ever a problem?
666
00:38:05,813 --> 00:38:09,173
Finn: Yeah, I mean I
definitely, I believe it is.
667
00:38:09,223 --> 00:38:11,293
Where we are not a shelter.
668
00:38:12,053 --> 00:38:14,783
We're a national initiative and
I work with a lot of shelters
669
00:38:14,783 --> 00:38:16,463
and I have heard of that program.
670
00:38:16,793 --> 00:38:20,213
And again, that's a guardrail
you have to have in place.
671
00:38:20,243 --> 00:38:23,273
And one of the things we always
tell people to do is to have
672
00:38:23,273 --> 00:38:25,373
one dedicated cell phone number.
673
00:38:25,373 --> 00:38:30,323
Most shelters already have an emergency
line either for the, just for the ACOs
674
00:38:30,963 --> 00:38:35,253
or for the regular foster base in case
something either longer term foster
675
00:38:35,253 --> 00:38:37,053
base in case there's an emergency.
676
00:38:37,603 --> 00:38:43,043
Or just having a burner cell phone that
you use for it that somebody is carrying
677
00:38:43,043 --> 00:38:47,453
if there are dogs out for the weekend
so that person has a number to call,
678
00:38:47,453 --> 00:38:51,353
where there will always be a person
on the other end that can take the dog
679
00:38:51,353 --> 00:38:52,793
and bring it back into the shelter.
680
00:38:52,953 --> 00:38:54,933
Be it a manager or something like that.
681
00:38:55,203 --> 00:38:58,203
Dixie: And for listeners who
might be interested in a doggy
682
00:38:58,203 --> 00:39:00,123
day out either for their.
683
00:39:00,993 --> 00:39:06,573
Group or to even contact their shelter,
to tell their shelter about this program.
684
00:39:07,113 --> 00:39:09,533
How would they go ahead to get
'em to get started with this?
685
00:39:11,438 --> 00:39:16,058
Finn: But if you are just a person in
an area and you wanna take a dog out and
686
00:39:16,058 --> 00:39:20,983
see if there's shelters around you mutual
Rescue has a doggy day out directory
687
00:39:20,983 --> 00:39:25,853
that goes by state of shelters that we
know have programs and that have been
688
00:39:25,853 --> 00:39:27,833
asked to be added to the directory.
689
00:39:27,833 --> 00:39:30,953
And there's over a hundred in
shelters in that directory.
690
00:39:31,793 --> 00:39:35,573
Just because your shelter is not
listed in that directory does not
691
00:39:35,573 --> 00:39:37,883
mean that they do not have a program.
692
00:39:37,883 --> 00:39:42,833
I do know of some programs that have asked
not to be listed because the demand for
693
00:39:42,833 --> 00:39:47,873
this program is so high that they book
up far in advance, and so they don't
694
00:39:47,873 --> 00:39:49,913
want any more advertisement for it.
695
00:39:49,913 --> 00:39:54,053
But so first of all, my first
suggestion would be check the directory.
696
00:39:54,153 --> 00:39:56,253
It's mutual rescue.org,
697
00:39:56,493 --> 00:39:58,623
and then just click on
the doggy day out button.
698
00:39:59,583 --> 00:40:02,103
The other thing you can do
if you want your shelter to
699
00:40:02,103 --> 00:40:03,813
have one, is just go ask them.
700
00:40:03,813 --> 00:40:08,873
I never encourage people to badge
your shelter workers about things.
701
00:40:08,873 --> 00:40:12,843
But you can always send an email and
suggest, Hey, I heard about this program.
702
00:40:12,843 --> 00:40:15,903
Do you guys have any plans on
doing this or anything like that?
703
00:40:16,293 --> 00:40:19,263
And if you do and you want
to, you can send them a link.
704
00:40:19,263 --> 00:40:23,453
Mutual Rescue has, on their, on that
Doggy Day Out there is page, there
705
00:40:23,453 --> 00:40:27,713
is a page Doggy Day Out for shelters
and you can send them that page
706
00:40:27,713 --> 00:40:31,283
where they can download the Doggy
Day Out toolkit and look it over.
707
00:40:31,853 --> 00:40:34,493
Basically, I would tell, just
tell 'em, ask their shelter.
708
00:40:34,493 --> 00:40:39,893
And not every shelter can or will have
doggie day out, either because of staffing
709
00:40:39,893 --> 00:40:43,723
or resource issues, even though there's
a lot of ways to make this program
710
00:40:43,723 --> 00:40:45,883
work, even with very small staffing.
711
00:40:45,883 --> 00:40:50,233
I know shelters that have two staff
members that run this program.
712
00:40:50,743 --> 00:40:54,248
It's a very easy program to
utilize volunteers to run.
713
00:40:54,788 --> 00:40:59,228
But either because of resources,
because of population, or because of
714
00:40:59,368 --> 00:41:03,818
like odd municipality laws which are
really weird all over the country.
715
00:41:04,448 --> 00:41:07,118
But, a lot of shelters do have it.
716
00:41:07,188 --> 00:41:11,608
I can tell you there, there's programs
in Alaska and Wyoming and when, if you
717
00:41:11,608 --> 00:41:15,658
can go to Alaska and take a dog out,
you probably can take one out near you,
718
00:41:15,928 --> 00:41:15,988
Dixie: Uhhuh.
719
00:41:16,588 --> 00:41:16,828
Yeah.
720
00:41:17,428 --> 00:41:20,248
Well, thank you so much for
sharing the information on
721
00:41:20,248 --> 00:41:24,438
these two programs, the language
accessibility and the doggy day out.
722
00:41:24,778 --> 00:41:28,288
I know personally, I'm gonna go take
a look at the flyers that you have.
723
00:41:29,068 --> 00:41:32,698
And share some of those on my
social media to try to reach some
724
00:41:32,698 --> 00:41:34,678
of the Spanish speaking population.
725
00:41:35,068 --> 00:41:38,678
And I'm also considering trying
to do a a weekend foster for
726
00:41:38,678 --> 00:41:39,998
cats and see how that goes.
727
00:41:40,958 --> 00:41:41,888
Finn: I definitely would.
728
00:41:41,888 --> 00:41:44,138
I would try piloting
it maybe with kittens.
729
00:41:44,248 --> 00:41:44,998
When I was.
730
00:41:45,628 --> 00:41:51,388
Younger, I briefly worked in the child,
in at a group home for foster children.
731
00:41:51,748 --> 00:41:56,878
And respite fostering was a really, was
an integral part of that foster system
732
00:41:56,878 --> 00:42:01,798
for people which were weekend fosters that
would give the regular fosters a break if
733
00:42:01,798 --> 00:42:06,978
they needed to go outta town or one week
fosters, and so respite, call it short
734
00:42:06,978 --> 00:42:09,078
term foster, call it Weekend Warriors.
735
00:42:09,078 --> 00:42:11,268
You can come up with a
lot of fun names for it.
736
00:42:11,838 --> 00:42:14,688
What is the one that I
think Animal Foundation has?
737
00:42:14,688 --> 00:42:16,308
Like the gruel Gobblers.
738
00:42:19,228 --> 00:42:23,998
But yeah, definitely I think it's a
great idea for cats and honestly, once
739
00:42:23,998 --> 00:42:28,078
we get through getting the language
accessibility thing turned in, it's
740
00:42:28,078 --> 00:42:31,238
definitely something I would a project
I would wanna consider working on doing
741
00:42:31,238 --> 00:42:33,368
a toolkit for looking to research about.
742
00:42:33,368 --> 00:42:35,708
Dixie: Both of them are really
great programs and I didn't
743
00:42:35,708 --> 00:42:37,028
know about either one of 'em.
744
00:42:37,448 --> 00:42:40,898
Now before we end the call, is there
anything else that you would like to add?
745
00:42:42,608 --> 00:42:47,328
Finn: No just, I'm very
grateful to be on today.
746
00:42:47,328 --> 00:42:48,438
Thank you so much.
747
00:42:48,508 --> 00:42:53,188
If you have any suggestions for
more cat focused handouts that
748
00:42:53,188 --> 00:42:54,688
are needed, please let me know.
749
00:42:55,148 --> 00:42:59,408
We are working on what to do
if you find kittens and on
750
00:42:59,408 --> 00:43:01,238
caring for neonatal handouts.
751
00:43:01,348 --> 00:43:04,288
In Spanish because we
had a request for that.
752
00:43:04,288 --> 00:43:08,308
Actually, there's a couple of groups
in LA that do cat foster and the
753
00:43:08,308 --> 00:43:12,828
majority of their foster base is Spanish
speaking , so we know that, there
754
00:43:12,828 --> 00:43:14,723
is a culture of animal welfare and.
755
00:43:15,273 --> 00:43:19,533
Families really deeply love their pets
and wanna help and why not engage them,
756
00:43:19,773 --> 00:43:23,043
Dixie: I could definitely collaborate
with you on stuff for cats.
757
00:43:23,043 --> 00:43:27,153
I teach a bottle feeding and foster class,
and I would love to be able to reach
758
00:43:27,153 --> 00:43:29,203
more people because there's not enough.
759
00:43:29,488 --> 00:43:32,068
Cat fosters or bottle feeders as there is.
760
00:43:32,308 --> 00:43:34,708
So the more people that we
could get involved, the better.
761
00:43:35,078 --> 00:43:35,828
Finn: Exactly.
762
00:43:35,978 --> 00:43:38,348
All right, well, thank
you so much for having me.
763
00:43:38,528 --> 00:43:39,218
Dixie: All right, well, thank you.
764
00:43:39,518 --> 00:43:40,328
I appreciate it.
765
00:43:40,765 --> 00:43:42,235
We hope you join us next week.
766
00:43:42,625 --> 00:43:46,255
If you know somebody that loves animals
as much as I do, please send 'em our way.
767
00:43:46,255 --> 00:43:47,455
We would love to talk to 'em.
768
00:43:47,884 --> 00:43:51,604
If you are enjoying our show, please
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769
00:43:51,934 --> 00:43:54,764
A hundred percent goes to our animals
770
00:43:57,464 --> 00:43:59,884
Paws in
771
00:44:02,714 --> 00:44:11,254
the night Claws in the
fight Whiskers twitch and
772
00:44:13,274 --> 00:44:14,044
tails
773
00:44:16,504 --> 00:44:17,174
take flight
774
00:44:17,229 --> 00:44:23,579
They’re calling in Stories to spin
From the wild to the heart within
775
00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:30,149
Broken wings and hopeful springs
We’re the voices for these things
776
00:44:30,614 --> 00:44:34,254
animal posse hear the call.
777
00:44:35,914 --> 00:44:37,294
We stand together.
778
00:44:38,514 --> 00:44:50,374
Big and small Rescue tales We’ve
got it all Animal posse Saving
779
00:44:52,454 --> 00:44:52,874
them
780
00:44:58,744 --> 00:44:58,864
all
781
00:44:59,154 --> 00:45:05,814
The vet’s got tips The rescuer’s
grit The foster homes where love
782
00:45:05,814 --> 00:45:17,924
won’t quit From a pup in the rain to
a bird in pain , Every soul’s worth
783
00:45:20,199 --> 00:45:20,399
the
784
00:45:22,759 --> 00:45:24,579
strain
785
00:45:24,844 --> 00:45:27,754
Animal posse
786
00:45:32,724 --> 00:45:37,034
Hear the call
787
00:45:39,794 --> 00:45:43,684
We stand together Big
788
00:45:45,724 --> 00:45:54,104
and small Rescue tales We’ve got
it all Animal posse Saving them all
789
00:45:54,414 --> 00:46:00,524
Every caller tells a tale, every
howl a whispered wail, we rise up.
790
00:46:00,984 --> 00:46:01,644
We never
791
00:46:06,064 --> 00:46:06,224
fail.
792
00:46:09,014 --> 00:46:09,104
This
793
00:46:11,164 --> 00:46:11,224
is
794
00:46:13,644 --> 00:46:13,704
the
795
00:46:20,024 --> 00:46:22,164
bond
796
00:46:24,944 --> 00:46:26,674
The holy grail
797
00:46:26,704 --> 00:46:42,050
Animal posse Hear the call We stand
together Big and small Rescue tales We’ve
798
00:46:42,050 --> 00:46:50,819
got it all Animal posse Saving them all
799
00:46:50,869 --> 00:46:58,134
Every caller tells a tale Every howl
a whispered wail We rise up We never
800
00:46:58,134 --> 00:47:02,004
fail This is the bond The holy grail.
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00:47:02,674 --> 00:47:05,754
Song by Suno.ai
