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Rap Beef, Paramount Purchase, and Jerry Seinfeld aka "Ebony Yams"
Episode 18 • 8th May 2024 • Films in Black and White • Doug Wagner, Marcus Destin, and Bryan Roush
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We're doing it.

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We're doing it.

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Doing it.

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Doing it.

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Doing it.

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I'm hitting the button.

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Go ahead.

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No, the button's here.

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Producer, hit the button.

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Sorry, I'm going to hit the button.

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Produce.

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What's she saying?

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What's she saying on the thing?

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Hit the fucking button.

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Yeah, that's right on, too.

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I just set a new course.

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Impressive,

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now release your anger Must

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have sensed that your

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friends are in danger Oh,

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why'd you slice off my hand?

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It's imperative that you

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understand Obi-Wan would

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never bother Telling you

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about your father He told me enough,

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he told me you killed him

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Then there's something I must do

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Welcome to Films of Black and White,

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everybody.

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How are you all feeling?

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A belated happy May the 4th

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be with you all today and

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forever and for always.

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Glad we could all be here.

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It's a great day.

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It's a great day to pod.

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Marcus is through finals and graduation,

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which is even better.

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That feels good.

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Brian's ankle is hearing,

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which is even better news.

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Things are turning up for all of us,

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and I'm very, very,

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very excited about it.

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We have an outstanding

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episode to be with you all today.

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We're going to go over a little bit of...

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gonna go over some there's

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been some rap beef I don't

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know if you've heard about

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the last yeah 48 hours

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worth of drama um two

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titans boxing it the fuck

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out yeah it's it's the

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equivalent of kong versus

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godzilla but it is all

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music which is fine and I'm here for

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Um,

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and then Brian is going to run us down

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some things about the

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latest Sony paramount merger.

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Um,

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and then I'm going to spend the rest of

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the time going off on Jerry Seinfeld,

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which I'm very excited about.

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Wow.

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Most importantly.

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Wow.

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We're all here.

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We're all on time.

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No one's having any

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technical difficulties.

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No one's having any mystery

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music come from anywhere

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that we don't know how to turn off.

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It is a great day.

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So, Marcus J. Destin, a.k.a.

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Red Undies and Rat Beef.

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How are you feeling, sir?

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Feeling good.

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I'm here with my guys.

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Listen, it's the first Monday.

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I could just pop in and be here.

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I was at home at...

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5 o'clock, which is very strange.

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Wow, that feels good.

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I'm here, ready to pod.

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I purposely did not look at

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anything in the chat.

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My guys was talking in the chat.

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I didn't look at anything.

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All I looked at was the

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Superman outfit and

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listened to a shit ton of

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hip-hop music today,

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so I'm ready to fucking pod.

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I'm so excited for you.

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You did miss out on Hulk

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Hogan representing the 700 Club,

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asking us what we're going

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to do when the Lord and

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Savior and Hulkamania go whiling on you,

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brother.

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Which is a moment that you

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can now go back and look at

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at any point in time.

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But I'm glad you were able to get home.

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I don't think I missed out

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on anything for what it's worth.

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Yeah, for sure.

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For sure.

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Hold on.

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Let's throw a wrench in there.

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Doug, heavy metal.

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How are you doing?

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Yeah.

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Outstanding.

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I'm doing great.

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So had a good weekend.

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It was nice out.

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I got a little bit of,

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for those who are watching

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the live stream, you're like, wow,

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Doug looks a little red today.

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It's because I got sunburned

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because I'm a bald man and

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I went outside.

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Oh.

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Always happens to me once,

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usually at this point in

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time of the year where I forget.

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and I go outside,

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and I forget to slather my dome.

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Thank you, Roman.

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You look great.

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Is it a film?

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Wait a minute.

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That's it.

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What?

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Films in black and white groupie.

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Yes, that's in the chat.

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All I saw was white groupie,

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and I was like, wow,

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that's very descriptive and specific.

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That's a different type of groupie.

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That feels almost targeted.

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That kind of groupie cuts

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holes in their sheets.

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That's the kind of groupie

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that we're dealing with.

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I agree.

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But also, I had a I mean,

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it's just been a good weekend.

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So Harrison got a new bike.

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We're riding bikes.

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So we're getting out on it.

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So, yeah, man, things are good.

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So, yeah, all in all, doing really,

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really well.

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I have gone down a heavy

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metal rabbit hole.

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Okay, do tell.

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We talked about it.

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I listened to... Y'all might

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remember the show Metalocalypse.

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Yes.

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And the band Death Clock.

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Yes.

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And I started listening to that album.

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And I listened to the whole thing.

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But not on purpose.

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I didn't sit down and be like,

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I want to listen to this whole thing.

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What I found is...

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there must be something

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about like the bass or the

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guitar riff or the drum

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that sends me into a trance

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where like it starts

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playing and I start working

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and then I just wake up

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three hours later and I'm like, Oh,

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what happened?

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And I have like music,

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like 25 emails sent and

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hopefully there are no spelling errors,

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but like that's,

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so that's what happened to

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me like on Friday and then

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throughout the weekend is like,

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I put myself in a weird

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heavy metal trench and I've,

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it's also good because,

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i go around and I will sing

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like talk in like a deep

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voice like uh I have to do

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the dishes like like like

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just like waiting for

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someone to come in and

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shred the guitar like the

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dishes are dirty like I'm

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just like yep yep I'm just

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ready for it um

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So,

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but that's been the rabbit hole that I

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went down.

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Not disappointed with it.

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It's actually kind of nice

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because I steered clear of

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the rap beef over the

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course of the past three days.

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Wow, impressive.

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It's usually like hip hop is my jam,

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but it's like I left that behind.

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It's like I knew that there was,

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I knew the community was in disarray.

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So I went like, no, no, no, no, no.

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They'll figure it out and I'll come back.

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Like, duke it out.

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But Brian Rausch.

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Hello.

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Magneto made valid points.

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How are you, sir?

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I'm doing great.

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Doug alluded to the fact I

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sprained my ankle pretty bad last week,

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Wednesday.

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So I've been talking with my

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personal trainer, Doug Wagner, about it.

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And he did give me a toe activity,

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which was very helpful.

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So I was in like a 90 minute

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meeting and I was like, wow,

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my foot really hurts.

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And Doug's like, yeah, just like do this.

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And I was like,

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I'm already feeling it loosen up.

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This is great.

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This is phenomenal.

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So anyway, yeah,

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nothing makes you feel like

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more of a frail human than being like,

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I'm running.

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And then all of a sudden your body's like,

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you know what you should do?

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You should put all of your

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weight on your ankle.

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And then you're like, ow, that hurts body.

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And it's like, well, now you can't walk,

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have fun.

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So that's been my reality

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for the past few days.

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And, but it's, but I'm,

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I'm better now physically.

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feeling better uh ibuprofen

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is a miracle drug as far as

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I'm concerned it's great uh

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yeah don't just just take

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it don't don't worry about

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not taking it just take it

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uh so anyway that's that's

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my long intro here that I have anyway um

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Brian, do you do the thing when you fall?

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Do you gingerly get yourself

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back up again and dust yourself off?

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Or do you hop up and jog it

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off like you meant to do it?

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Oh, this,

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this one was like easily the most

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painful sprain I've ever had.

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There was one that I could

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compare when I lived in

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Chicago and like Chicago,

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you never know what street

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you're going to get.

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And like the, like the,

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the brick stones in it were loose.

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And I just, I really,

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I really messed it up.

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And that one was pretty bad, but this one,

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man, no, there was no,

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there was no like playing it off.

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Cool.

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I yelled.

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I did swear.

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um and I just said I sat

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down on the bench and I was

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like did I really do that

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like yeah running this path

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for like the better part of

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five years and okay cool

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cool cool cool so um and

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then I yeah and then I

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lived back home it was

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great it was phenomenal but

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I'm doing better which is

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the best part uh because I've been

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spelling out the ABCs with my big toe.

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Loosening up all those nerves.

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You've got so many nerves in your ankle.

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Your blood vessels will

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swell because they're

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trying to protect the injury.

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That's what our body does

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when things swell.

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What that's going to do is

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loosen it up and hopefully

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make that swelling go down a little bit.

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I appreciate that.

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I switched into trainer mode.

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I was making dick jokes not

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five minutes ago, but

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We've got to talk about his ankle,

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and it's very serious.

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Brian, I've fallen running,

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and I remember I slid forward,

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but then I just pushed right up.

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Oh, no.

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Because there were cars around,

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and I did not make eye contact.

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I was like, nope, I meant to do that.

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Yep, I was just seeing how gravity worked.

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Yep, that's right.

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um do you want to tell folks

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how they stay in touch with

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us doug I would love to I

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would love to tell you that

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if you want to hear more

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about my sprained ankle you

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can subscribe to our

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patreon we have all

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different kinds of tiers

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but the best way to support

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us is by going to films uh

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going to patreon.com films

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in black and white this is

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how we stay an independent podcast

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This is how we cover what we

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want to cover and how we

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stay separate and

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independent from all of the

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major conglomerates.

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Because I guarantee you,

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if we were part of a larger

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podcast network,

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we may not be able to say

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certain things about

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certain hip hop artists or

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we would have had to take a

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side depending on a certain label.

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We can just say whatever we

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want or you can be like me

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and you're like,

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I'm completely neutral

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because this ain't my business.

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uh so anyway that's the best

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way to follow us and

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support us if you can't do

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that make sure you're

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following us on socials

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we're on facebook and we're

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on instagram make sure to

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follow our instagram that

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is where we put most of our

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clips from the show and

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spoiler warning if we're

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gonna talk about anything

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but we're not talking about

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any specific movies tonight

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doug you've had your hand

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up and you've waited so

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patiently yeah brian is

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there a patreon tier that

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gets me pictures of your sprained ankle

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I just want to know.

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Bruised ankle pics?

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That's a different website.

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That is a different website.

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Sorry.

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You leave us the link

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somewhere that people can

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go and find that website.

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Well done.

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Well done.

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Fun with friends.

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Here we go.

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Gentlemen,

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we have another exciting episode

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of fill in that quotable,

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which is catch that quotable.

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Don't worry.

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I got you.

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Distracted sounds of Marcus J.

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I mean, I mean,

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I've been across from

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someone looking at their phone before,

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so I know what it looks like,

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whether it's video,

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whether it's video or

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whether it's live and in living color.

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I can't see what I was

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seeing in my glasses.

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No, no, I wasn't looking, though.

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I'm going to go back and enhance.

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He found those bruised yam

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pictures that Brian was talking about.

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Gentlemen,

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so this is a fill-in-that-quotable.

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Each one of us has a word

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that we get to fill in.

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Aren't all bruises yams?

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Aren't all yams bruised?

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Because they all look beat

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to shit when you buy them from the store.

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You know what I mean?

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Yeah, I mean, maybe.

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I mean, maybe.

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I know what movie this is from,

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but it's not going to help

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me in this quote.

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So here we go.

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I'm going to read the quote.

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Wait, are you guys ready?

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I didn't even ask.

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Are you ready?

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I'm ready.

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Let's go.

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Hit me.

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Okay.

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Hit me.

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I missed my cue.

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Okay, I messed it up.

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It's all right.

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It's all right.

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So I think my blank of blank

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is about to blank.

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And it was said by Patrick Bateman.

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Okay, sorry.

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Say it.

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Oh, that was quick.

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Can you say it again?

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I think my blank of blank is

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about to blank.

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Patrick Bateman.

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Now, I know what movie this is from,

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but I cannot tell you.

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It's American Psycho.

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It's American Psycho.

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Okay, fun fact.

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I've never seen American Psycho.

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Ooh, that's worth a watch.

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That is worth a watch.

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Yeah, I figured.

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That seems like a classic, classic,

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but I've never seen American Psycho.

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Yeah.

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I'm out.

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yeah what is it yeah doug

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you're gonna have to lead

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us with at least a little

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bit a little bit because I

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I've only seen this movie

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once and it was like 15

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years ago my blank is gonna

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my blank is what I think my

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I think my blank of blank

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is about to blank I think

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it's not the business card sequence right

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No, because remember,

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the thing is he makes

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excuses the whole time,

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like every time he needs to step away.

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So for those of you

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listening and for those of

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you who haven't seen it,

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I'm not going to spoil it,

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but the general gist is

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Patrick Bateman works in a...

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Yeah,

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he works in the investment world in

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New York City, and he has a really,

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really dark secret.

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And the dark secret is he's a psychopath,

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which leads to weird situations,

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and it's executed in a very unique way,

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especially given the time it was made.

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But every time he needs to

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step away because he's

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having some urges or he

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feels caught off guard or

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cornered because he has to

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answer a question about

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where he was or what he was doing,

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he always says, like...

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I need to go return some videotapes.

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Like he's always making an

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excuse in the movie that he

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has to like go do something.

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So the cue that we're

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getting from Roman is think of a face.

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Think of a face.

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Okay.

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We're going to blink the face.

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I think the it's.

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okay so I think the so I

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don't know the first word

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but I think the second two

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words is I think the blank

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of no because that would be

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yeah I don't know what this

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is I have absolutely no

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idea I'm I'm out of luck I

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don't know well do you

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think my blank is gonna

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blank do we just want to

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wave the white flag and

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just look it up or moment

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give us one word yeah just

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give us one word you might

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be able to figure out one word

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Or don't give us anything.

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Whichever one of the three,

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just give us one of the words.

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We don't have to do it for money.

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We can wave the white flag,

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but I just want to... You

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just want to see how many

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of you can get it?

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I just want to see.

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What's my handicap here?

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Because I have zero idea.

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The first word is mask.

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I think my mask...

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See, that's what I thought it was.

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There's a line where he's

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looking in the mirror in

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the bathroom and he's

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taking like because he has

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this like really intense

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facial treatment in this

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facial routine and he's

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peeling the mask off.

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And he says he has this line

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out loud and I can't give

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you the exact word of it,

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but it's essentially the gist of like.

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I think my mask is about to crack.

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Like it's like something in there,

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but I can't place the order

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and I don't have it exactly.

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So I don't know what the,

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I know maybe crack is the last word.

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So I think my mask of blank

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is about to crack.

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Deception, my mask of manipulation,

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my mask of deceit.

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I don't know.

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What is he portraying

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throughout the movie that

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he's been trying to hide from people?

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Oh,

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he's trying to show people that he is –

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the whole thing is like a –

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it's sort of a commentary

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on Wall Street culture

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where it really wants you

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to think like there is –

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Keeping up appearances and

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the competition of, like,

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who has the best business card and,

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you know,

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who has the best suit and who

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can get the best dinner reservation.

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All that coupled with someone who has,

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like, a deep, dark secret.

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So there is a facade here

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that he is keeping up,

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and that's what the mask

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line is sort of getting to.

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I like deceit.

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Like, I think that that's a fair guess.

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Like, I think that's a fair shot.

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Okay.

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I looked it up.

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So...

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Do you want another hint?

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Or, I looked it up.

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Okay.

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I don't know this.

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I'm not going to place it,

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and I don't want to take

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away from the rest of the pod,

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so do you just want to give it to us?

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I can give it to you if you just want it.

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Yep, white flag in it.

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Just give it to us.

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From the movie American Psycho,

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the quote is,

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I think my mask of sanity is

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about to slip.

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I never would have gotten that.

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I never would have gotten that.

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i as soon as you got

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two-thirds of the way

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through and I was like yep

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that's a fire ass line I

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might have to watch it just

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for that oh it's a great

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line yeah yeah it's where I

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fell in love with huey

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lewis and the news yeah

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it's a great movie um jared

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leto's in it I'm pretty

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sure it's like one of the

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first movies that jared

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leto was in that's right

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yeah he's been around for

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for that long ladies and germs

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Morbius himself is in this movie.

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Morbius himself.

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The movie that broke me.

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The movie that broke Ryan.

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Gentlemen, we have a lot.

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We got some different pieces

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we want to get into.

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Marcus,

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you know what I'm most curious about?

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Just because people might

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not necessarily know,

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and you tend to be our rap

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beef correspondent.

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I mean, it's true.

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Marcus, you want to lay us down?

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What's going on with Kendrick and Drake?

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Man.

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I would be glad to attempt to.

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Please.

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Just to give everybody this brief, I guess,

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timeline of music.

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Let me look it up because

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somebody did post a good

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tweet that kind of phrased

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things in a good way.

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This beef has been brewing

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for decades now.

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We all know.

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the big three right the big

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three in the realm of

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hip-hop and music um and

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sometimes it bleeds over to

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like one of these guys like

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drake primarily can can

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cross over to like pop and

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he's like one of the

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biggest artists in the

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world where the other two

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are more kendrick is also

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leans over he can be more

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like world renowned j cole

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is more hip-hop at its base right yeah

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Lyricist to his core.

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Still, the big three is J. Cole,

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my favorite rapper, Kendrick Lamar,

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and Drizzy Drake.

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They've been running the game for years,

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untouchable,

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selling over $250,000 every

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time they drop a fucking album.

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They outsell everything.

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It's crazy as hell.

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who's froggy fresh isn't

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that the guy from that

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video game that uh no I

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don't know who froggy fresh

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is honestly neither I don't

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know enough that that could

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be a real artist oh I you

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know what I'm very it

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absolutely could be I don't

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know doug bought it up so I

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just said I felt like I

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don't know I don't know

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okay so okay here's what

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happened so apparently the rumor is

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Kendrick and Drake did a

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song together called First

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Person Shooter that was on Drake's album.

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It was a smash hit.

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Apparently,

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they wanted Kendrick to be on

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the song for that to be a

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big three type song that

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they put out the biggest

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fucking ever to do it.

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Would have sounded crazy.

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Because the big three have

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never done a song together, okay?

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Now,

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there's been internal beef or whatever

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between Kendrick and Drake,

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and we kind of knew that,

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and J. Cole and Kendrick are more friends,

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okay?

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So there's a song that comes out.

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It's called Like That.

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It's by Metro Boomin' Future

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featuring Kendrick on the verse.

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Kendrick is going directly at...

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motherfucking Drake and J. Cole.

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He throws a little shot at

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Cole because him and Cole are cool.

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And then Drake,

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he just goes directly on like that verse.

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For all your dogs getting buried,

::

that's okay with all these nines,

::

you're going to see Pet Sematary.

::

Drake's album was called For All The Dogs.

::

Just a very crazy...

::

Just very crazy lines.

::

So he goes at him.

::

He says, there is no big three.

::

It's just big me.

::

Now, Cole, in the process,

::

disses Kendrick back in his

::

random album that he just

::

dropped randomly.

::

It was called the 7-Minute Freestyle.

::

Cole goes at him.

::

And in the verse,

::

you can tell Cole didn't

::

really want to go at him.

::

And not to mention,

::

Drake and Cole have been on

::

tour together this whole time.

::

They've been daffing each other up,

::

hugging each other,

::

showing each other mad love.

::

It's like, you always my inspiration, blah,

::

blah, blah.

::

Big rapper, tour guy shit.

::

Okay, tour shit.

::

Kendrick didn't like that.

::

So he mentioned it in the

::

song that he doesn't like

::

that because that looks,

::

you know what I mean?

::

So, all right.

::

Cole disses him on a song

::

called 7 Minute Freestyle.

::

Cole then goes to his city concert.

::

It's like a massive festival.

::

It's called the Dreamville

::

Festival in North Carolina in his city.

::

He goes out while he's

::

performing and he says, all right, y'all.

::

My bad.

::

That's my boy, Kendrick Lamar.

::

I didn't want to really diss

::

nobody because that's my dog.

::

I still love him.

::

You know, he cool, whatever.

::

So I'm going to remove seven

::

minute freestyle from all

::

streaming services.

::

And that's my dog.

::

I'm going to stay out the

::

beef because I'm in a better place.

::

I have a peace of mind.

::

OK, cool.

::

Everybody was like, boo, Jake.

::

Oh, boo.

::

What the fuck?

::

How could you?

::

You disappointed hip hop

::

until these two

::

motherfuckers start really.

::

Yeah.

::

Yeah.

::

So now here's what here's

::

what it looks like.

::

Drake and J. Cole threw

::

shots at each other.

::

Drake was pushing at him first,

::

was pushing at Kendrick first,

::

baiting him, telling him to come out,

::

dropping a few verses on Instagram,

::

trying to bait the king to come out.

::

OK, Kendrick was just quiet.

::

So this is what it looks like.

::

The prelude to the beef was

::

first person shooter and like that.

::

OK, that was the prelude.

::

Now the main battle,

::

Drake puts out a song

::

called pushups where he's

::

telling Kendrick,

::

like he's coming at Kendrick and it's a,

::

it's a catchy tune.

::

He's telling him you need to top,

::

tell them top and give me 50.

::

You're going to give them 50 pushup,

::

do 50 pushup.

::

Kendrick was doing pushups

::

in another video.

::

He had posted.

::

It was a whole thing.

::

Okay.

::

Tell me side.

::

You got a size seven men's on.

::

I had to hike down.

::

He comes at Metro booming.

::

Cause Drake is currently

::

beefing with Metro booming future.

::

Rick Ross,

::

the weekend and Kendrick Lamar

::

and Kanye West.

::

So it's a long list.

::

It's a lot.

::

That's an incredible list.

::

And I feel like one of those

::

dudes will straight up eat you.

::

So you gotta be careful.

::

That is not a list of enemies.

::

You got it!

::

I knew it was a long enough

::

list where I was like, who's it gonna be?

::

And I wonder who he's gonna guess.

::

You got it.

::

That's who I was thinking of.

::

He'll literally eat you.

::

he looks like a man who is

::

like uh-huh go ahead say

::

something I'm gonna turn

::

you and into a whole bucket

::

of wings until you get a

::

wing stop and no one will

::

come and look for you I as

::

a fat man cannot just like

::

you know I mean I'm just

::

going I'm gonna let you have that one

::

That's fine.

::

All right, cool.

::

So everybody's still with me here, right?

::

I'm with you.

::

All right.

::

So Drake drops pushups.

::

Okay.

::

Out of pushups.

::

He then drops.

::

It's very interesting, right?

::

Because this whole thing,

::

what I want people to

::

remember is you have two of

::

the biggest in music

::

dropping consistently at

::

this rate that typically

::

does not happen in a week.

::

Yeah.

::

OK,

::

this is probably one of the biggest

::

beasts in hip hop that

::

we've had since like Jay-Z

::

and Nas type level ether type shit,

::

because these two giants in streaming,

::

in talent, in music,

::

you are not supposed to

::

drop music like this to this level.

::

And these are direct shots at each other.

::

Kendrick is blatantly out

::

loud just saying Drake on a record.

::

I'm calling you.

::

Drake is doing the same thing back.

::

Right.

::

Everybody's still with me.

::

OK.

::

Yeah.

::

So Drake put out a freestyle

::

on Instagram only called

::

the Taylor made freestyle.

::

And it was referenced for

::

Taylor Swift because, Oh, I missed this.

::

Okay.

::

He, in the record, he references, he says,

::

he says,

::

what did he say in the reference?

::

He says,

::

The only one that makes me

::

move around dates is Taylor Swift,

::

the real gangster, basically.

::

And so Taylor Swift is the

::

only person in the music

::

industry that I can move around.

::

And he was hinting at

::

Kendrick was not dropping

::

because Taylor's got his

::

car pooled and everybody's

::

car pooled because she's

::

just got that amount of pool.

::

understandable so it's

::

called taylor made

::

freestyle but what he did

::

in this freestyle everybody

::

still track with me here he

::

used ai and he wrote a

::

verse and recorded a verse

::

that sounded like tupac so

::

he used ai to use to get a

::

tupac voice or a voice

::

filter to rap like pop to kendrick

::

And he did the same thing

::

with Snoop Dogg on the second verse.

::

So first verse is Tupac,

::

but it's Drake writing, but it's Tupac.

::

And second verse is Snoop Dogg,

::

but that's still Drake.

::

And then the last verse is Drake.

::

So what he's doing is he's

::

using Kendrick's favorite rapper, Tupac,

::

to go at him and to take

::

away some of the things

::

that Kendrick would use as poison.

::

Is everybody with me here?

::

Yes,

::

the equivalent is getting Stanley to

::

show up at my house and go, hey,

::

I'm really disappointed in

::

everything that you are as a human being.

::

And then he just leaves.

::

But as he's leaving,

::

he takes off a mask and it's Mike Pence.

::

And you're like, what the fuck?

::

Yes, I'm sure.

::

I was going to say a robot, but sure,

::

Mike Pence.

::

He doesn't have anything

::

going on right now.

::

Brian, you show me a better robot.

::

Mike Pence is crazy.

::

What?

::

Then Mike Pence?

::

Why is he the best robot?

::

He's pretty stiff.

::

He calls his wife mother.

::

He most certainly does.

::

And you tell me that that's

::

not an AI mistake.

::

It's an AI mistake.

::

What do they call that?

::

It's not a...

::

A Freudian slip?

::

No, an Oedipus complex.

::

He uses that Kendrick or the

::

Tupac estate then goes at

::

Drake because you are using

::

Tupac's likeness.

::

If you use Prince or something like that,

::

the estate is going to come out.

::

They came at him and he took

::

down the TaylorMade Freestyle.

::

Okay?

::

After the TaylorMade

::

freestyle is taken down

::

because it's only on Instagram,

::

but it's gotten taken down

::

because the state is after him.

::

It's then Kendrick then

::

drops this song called Euphoria,

::

where in this song,

::

Kendrick deliberately

::

states this is just one of the lines.

::

I don't like you.

::

I don't like the way that you dress.

::

I don't like the way you talk.

::

I don't like the way you walk.

::

I just don't.

::

He just says this blatantly.

::

I don't like you.

::

Okay.

::

He drops Euphoria.

::

Euphoria is a smash hit.

::

He, Kendrick, then copies.

::

Mind you,

::

all Kendrick is doing is just

::

tweeting out the YouTube

::

link to these songs.

::

That's incredible.

::

No context, no nothing.

::

That's incredible.

::

While Drake is playing

::

internet games and trying

::

to get people to get on his

::

side by posting memes and

::

things of that nature.

::

Yeah.

::

Because that's the game

::

Drake can usually win at.

::

But with a lyricist, you can't do that.

::

So the next step,

::

Kendrick then drops a song

::

called 616 in LA because,

::

partially because,

::

because there's so many triple, double,

::

quadruple entendres.

::

He dropped 616 in L.A.

::

because Drake usually this

::

is Drake style of songs.

::

Drake usually drops a timestamp song.

::

So it's like 414 in London,

::

313 in Texas or blah, blah, blah.

::

And those are Drake's best songs.

::

Oh, man.

::

Okay.

::

Oh, I'm sorry.

::

Go ahead.

::

Any questions?

::

No, I'm just glad you're pointing.

::

I did not.

::

I would have not known that.

::

I did not know this part of the lore.

::

I'm very happy.

::

We're happy.

::

I did not either.

::

Kendrick is very strategic, right?

::

And so he drops that 616 in LA.

::

It's a fire song.

::

Okay.

::

And then Drake drops Family Matters.

::

So it's immediately he drops

::

Family Matters.

::

Okay.

::

And he drops like this Buried Alive song.

::

Drake was the first person

::

to take Kendrick Lamar on tour.

::

And on Drake's first album, Take Care,

::

there's a song called

::

Buried Alive that Kendrick

::

is featured on.

::

Drake duplicates the style

::

that Kendrick did on that

::

song to diss Kendrick.

::

And it's just only on Drake's Instagram.

::

So they do that.

::

But as Drake dropped, same night,

::

as Drake dropped Family

::

Matters and is buried alive, Kendrick,

::

six minutes later,

::

he dropped Meet the Grams,

::

where Kendrick goes and

::

addresses his Drake son Adonis, his mom,

::

his dad, and Drake on the song.

::

Basically saying,

::

your dad's a disappointment.

::

Listen to this when you turn 18.

::

I want to make sure you're a real king.

::

You'll always have somebody.

::

You can call me a mentor as

::

soon as you get ready.

::

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

::

Hey, and to Drake's mom,

::

your son's got some

::

addictions he's battling.

::

I think he's a piece of shit

::

and he needs to die because

::

men like him are so fucked up.

::

And then you have his dad.

::

He's telling his dad,

::

your son is a master manipulator.

::

You should have wore a condom.

::

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

::

I'm so disappointed in you.

::

He is going crazy.

::

kendrick went crazy this is

::

the song that that like I

::

feel like this is what blew

::

up my socials because I

::

think this happened set no

::

this happened friday night

::

yeah I think it was yes

::

because this is the song

::

that put me like on the

::

wavelength of like oh my

::

gosh yes and then I was

::

starting to try to

::

understand all of this like

::

I feel like this meet the

::

grams I feel like

::

I don't know.

::

It feels like this is like a

::

cross into mainstream for a lot of folks.

::

It's when you found out the beef was,

::

it's when a lot of people

::

found out the beef was real

::

because the other ones are kind of like,

::

it's Instagrammy, it's whatever,

::

it's whatever, euphoria.

::

But Meet the Grams is like a direct,

::

it's a direct shot at Drake, right?

::

And it was the same night.

::

As soon as Drake dropped,

::

Kendrick dropped a song in response.

::

That doesn't fucking happen.

::

And I don't know if people

::

actually realize that it's

::

either there was a leak in

::

Drake's camp or he just had

::

it ready to go,

::

but they were responding to

::

each other the whole time.

::

Right?

::

Everybody sit with me.

::

Well, yeah.

::

The other thing,

::

didn't Meet the Grams also,

::

didn't that also have the

::

thing about Drake having a

::

secret daughter?

::

Yes, a daughter.

::

Which is alleged.

::

Which is alleged,

::

and Drake said it's not true.

::

He said he baited him.

::

He said Drake is claiming he

::

baited Kendrick with fake

::

information because he knew

::

people were looking for information.

::

So he gave them

::

this fake idea that he had a daughter.

::

Okay.

::

And Kendrick ended up saying

::

that in the song, like, Oh,

::

you've got a daughter that

::

you don't want to raise, blah, blah, blah,

::

blah, blah.

::

Trying to duplicate what

::

happened with Adonis, his son.

::

Okay.

::

So that is,

::

and you'll have to go listen to

::

this music.

::

Cause I'm just explaining

::

the very high level and

::

things that stood out to me.

::

Absolutely.

::

Meet the grams.

::

Now here's what happened.

::

Meet the grams came out.

::

Drake got quiet.

::

And in a rap beef,

::

you cannot be quiet for too long.

::

Because here is what happened next.

::

He dropped that, I think Ryan is right,

::

that was on Friday,

::

Meet the Grams dropped.

::

On Saturday,

::

Kendrick Lamar did his victory

::

lap in the beef and

::

essentially put his seal on it,

::

which was Not Like Us,

::

produced by Mustard.

::

And anybody knows Mustard as a B,

::

like mustard on a B, ho.

::

It's like, this dude makes music,

::

like dancing shit, and it's...

::

Like this song, when you hear it,

::

the beginning of the song starts off.

::

He says, I see dead people.

::

And then the beat kicks off.

::

So you now have all Kendrick

::

has now basically dropped

::

meet the grams and not like

::

us in the span of two days.

::

And in the span of a weekend,

::

he has dropped four songs.

::

This was his victory lap.

::

This is the one that's popping on Tik TOK.

::

It's going to see, it feels like LA.

::

It's the one that's going to

::

be on the radio along with euphoria.

::

I guarantee it.

::

But then Drake responded

::

with his final song.

::

the heart part six because

::

Kendrick usually writes

::

that's a Kendrick thing

::

Kendrick writes all of

::

these songs called the

::

heart parts one through

::

five so Drake ended up

::

doing what Kendrick did and

::

duplicated it and in the song not like us

::

Kendrick has a lot of claims

::

that I don't know if it's true or not.

::

I'm just saying what the

::

claims are and maybe a

::

trigger warning here.

::

But he talks about Drake

::

being a either surrounding

::

himself with pedophiles and

::

Drake liking these younger women.

::

And it's a dangerous thing.

::

And like, oh, that's who you are.

::

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

::

All over this bouncy beat.

::

Right.

::

And it's like this beat you dance to.

::

And he's going to him directly saying,

::

I'm the boogeyman.

::

I'm the one that came out.

::

You tried to test me.

::

I'd shot the shot.

::

And he says all of these things.

::

Right.

::

He mentions Billy Bobby

::

Brown from Stranger Things by name.

::

Not like a hint.

::

I'm pretty sure, if I'm not mistaken,

::

he mentions her by name.

::

No, it's in the lyrics.

::

I just listened to it.

::

And Drake in the hard part

::

six is basically just defending.

::

It's hard because you've basically, to me,

::

in my opinion,

::

I was trying to save it until the end.

::

Drake loses because Kendrick

::

Kendrick was up so many and

::

was consistent and was

::

rapping while Drake was

::

trying to play these

::

different games and trying

::

to belittle him and like little boy him.

::

The issue is what the hard

::

part six is now has to be

::

used for him on the

::

defensive because he has to go and say,

::

he can't rap at Kendrick

::

anymore about rap shit.

::

You now have to go out there and say,

::

I'm not, I don't like younger women.

::

I'm not a pedophile.

::

Whether people believe it or not,

::

it's out there now forever.

::

And then that is what we got.

::

So we had one, two, three, four, five, six,

::

seven, eight, nine, technically 10, 11,

::

11 songs of two giants just going albums.

::

I was going to say,

::

they just need to make a double.

::

They just make an album

::

together and they got a

::

whole beef in two months.

::

Yes.

::

Thank you for that.

::

That was a long, that was a long time,

::

but that was kind of like

::

how I've been processing

::

this whole thing.

::

I'm glad that you,

::

I'm also glad you walked us

::

through that path because I,

::

since I started,

::

since I picked up at meet the grams,

::

I was only, I knew about euphoria kind of,

::

I did not know about Taylor made.

::

I knew there was a lyric from Taylor made.

::

that I found out but I

::

couldn't find the song now

::

I understand why and then I

::

saw the allusion to Tupac

::

and the allusion to Snoop

::

Dogg but I didn't know that

::

was all on TaylorMade which

::

is also so weird and

::

twisted because Kendrick

::

was featured on her song so

::

I like I didn't when I saw

::

some of the Taylor Swift stuff I was like

::

What are you trying to say here, man?

::

Like, are you, Drake, like, what are,

::

don't pull Taylor Swift into this.

::

This is not.

::

He did it twice, right?

::

Because he says in the song,

::

Drake says in the song, oh,

::

you're basically, your label,

::

you had to do whatever your

::

label made you do.

::

So when the room five needs a verse,

::

you need to make it witty.

::

And he says,

::

and then you need to go and make that,

::

you need to go and do that

::

feature song for all the Swifties.

::

He says that in pushups.

::

Oh, man.

::

Yeah.

::

So.

::

one thank you so much for

::

you did an outstanding job

::

yeah I am flabbergasted at

::

the lengths that two grown

::

men will go to insult one another

::

I mean, it's not even insults, though.

::

It's just so creative.

::

Do you understand?

::

If I'm having an argument

::

with somebody and they start saying shit,

::

like, you know what?

::

I'm going to call your dad

::

and tell him that he should

::

have wore a comic because

::

you never should have worn it.

::

I would have been like, well, fuck you,

::

and walked away.

::

You know what I mean?

::

I would have ran away

::

because of the fact that

::

these two just had the creative...

::

mind enough the two creative

::

minds you know whoever put

::

the whoever one aside but

::

like they had the brain

::

power to put all of this

::

like pen to paper I mean

::

it's fucking insane to me

::

like it's so wild to me

::

well and I I think for me

::

I've I've been in both

::

Drake and Kendrick's orbit

::

and I've listened to both

::

of their stuff but like

::

this really not that I'm

::

picking sides here but just

::

like the lyricism from Kendrick is

::

The speed of which it was

::

put out and it was good and

::

it was good quality

::

material is astounding to me.

::

I can never do that in a million years.

::

To me, when I listened to Meet the Grams,

::

it felt like there was just

::

this satellite in orbit

::

just nuking this small

::

island country over and

::

over and over again.

::

Yeah.

::

And it just, it just,

::

it feels so personal and it feels like it,

::

what it feels like, you know,

::

I've used the example before of like,

::

like sometimes these beefs are like, oh,

::

those two people are

::

arguing in the parking lot.

::

That is none of my business.

::

but this feels like this

::

feels even it just feels so

::

personal that kendrick's

::

directly addressing drake

::

all these songs and like it

::

and drake doesn't feel like

::

he's talking directly to

::

kendrick it feels like he's

::

trying to talk to a crowd

::

but like everything from

::

kendrick is so personal and

::

it makes me feel

::

uncomfortable but also

::

makes me like I don't know

::

I don't know the best way

::

to explain it that's just

::

his lyricism though all of

::

it yeah all of it yeah

::

They all have their strengths.

::

Here's the thing.

::

I have no dog in the fight.

::

I listen to Drake a lot

::

because I think he's easily consumable.

::

I still love Kendrick.

::

Cole is my favorite rapper

::

amongst the big three.

::

I see why Cole ducked out of this, though.

::

How smart does he look right now?

::

Remember how disappointed you were,

::

Marcus?

::

I remember that episode.

::

You came on and you were like,

::

I can't believe he did that.

::

Now I don't know what to do

::

with this information.

::

No, I think you, you made the right call.

::

Like that's smartest man in the room.

::

Yeah.

::

That's,

::

that's you seeing two people fight

::

at a party,

::

like just kind of looking at

::

each other and going, you know what?

::

I think I'm going to go home

::

just a little bit early

::

before whatever is about to

::

happen happens.

::

Yep.

::

Yep.

::

Just intuition.

::

And I respect.

::

Yep.

::

No, I mean,

::

he made out like a bandit

::

because regardless of what... Also,

::

I think the other thing

::

that he made out like... He

::

is totally safe from all this.

::

He made it out totally

::

invincible on this thing.

::

I shouldn't say totally invincible,

::

but like...

::

He bowed out,

::

and it was the exact right call.

::

The other thing that blows

::

my mind with this is, like,

::

people on... Like,

::

I picked some of this up on TikTok,

::

and you have people, like,

::

just busting a move and dancing.

::

And then you start listening

::

to some of the lyrics, and they're like,

::

certified lover boy, certified pedophile.

::

And I was like, excuse me, what?

::

And, like, people are just like, yeah,

::

I'm doing my TikTok dance.

::

And I'm like, these are, like,

::

some serious...

::

allegations that are being

::

thrown at each other

::

through music and like I

::

feel like that part is lost

::

on some people like I don't

::

know what to think of it

::

I'm not a lawyer I don't

::

know how much of this falls

::

under free speech and

::

what's libel or what's

::

music or what's

::

entertainment I don't I

::

don't know that but I know

::

that I wouldn't want that

::

if I was on the other end

::

of it slander is spoken print is libel

::

And all the streaming, like,

::

what you drop to YouTube is

::

sometimes safer on YouTube,

::

but you don't upload it to, like,

::

you can tell.

::

Some of these stuff they

::

can't upload to Spotify, Apple Music,

::

all that other stuff.

::

Some of the stuff they just

::

uploaded on their IG.

::

Like,

::

TaylorMadeFreestyle would have never

::

gotten approved to post, like,

::

you know what I mean?

::

Like, whether it had AI in it or not.

::

Like, some of that, you need copyrights.

::

And so, it's just nuts.

::

And these are two giants

::

that are going to change the game of,

::

and not to mention, Metro Boomin'.

::

He's been a part of this beef too as well.

::

And he put out like a,

::

they said Drake was getting

::

like BBL shots.

::

to get his end done and everything.

::

And so Metro Boomin made a

::

beat that just repeats.

::

It's a clean beat.

::

He made it a competition for

::

anybody that wants to rap.

::

And he's like, Bebe, how's it going?

::

Jesus Christ.

::

No, I'm not supporting anybody in this,

::

but I'm not going to lie.

::

Metro Boomin made a sick beat.

::

I have listened to it multiple times.

::

But then I'm like, is this cyberbullying?

::

I don't know.

::

I don't know.

::

This could all be made up.

::

I don't know.

::

But he did make an excellent beat.

::

Like,

::

I also thought when I saw that on Twitter,

::

I was like, oh, man, if I was Drake,

::

I would just like pitch

::

whatever I would just ditch

::

whatever I'm working on right now.

::

Take that beat.

::

And I would try to rap.

::

I would try to rap over that

::

beat back to Kendrick and

::

try to make it my own.

::

But that that didn't that didn't happen.

::

And the hard part six came

::

out Sunday and that that

::

was that was kind of it.

::

Marcus,

::

we have a comment in the chat I

::

need to bring up.

::

What tier of Patreon do I

::

need to have Marcus write

::

and rap a diss track?

::

We gotta figure out that tier.

::

That's a low tier.

::

Who's he dissing?

::

That's the question.

::

The thing you have to pay

::

for in the Patreon tier is

::

not the rap itself.

::

I write that shit with my eyes closed.

::

The thing you gotta pay for

::

is to find out who I'm fucking dissing.

::

You pay that tier,

::

every month I will diss a

::

different motherfucker.

::

Don't you worry.

::

We need like a rival podcast.

::

Like a Films in Red and Blue or something.

::

Films in Red and Blue.

::

They're only 3D.

::

They take a very

::

conservative take on just

::

about everything.

::

They're just constantly

::

complaining everybody's not

::

white in the movies.

::

It's very clean.

::

I was really disappointed

::

that the Society of Magical

::

Negroes didn't have more

::

white people in it.

::

I would definitely be for

::

those motherfuckers.

::

Also,

::

I have a feeling he's just going to

::

pay you and you're going to

::

end up writing it because

::

that's what this comment

::

leaves me to believe.

::

Which means in about two

::

weeks I'm going to have a

::

diss track that's wrapped

::

in my face on this podcast.

::

Because he's going to make

::

me put it towards you.

::

Brian singing BBO and Tracy.

::

I am.

::

It's been stuck in my head all day.

::

It's a good beat.

::

Metro Boomin knows what he's doing.

::

Drake told him to do drums.

::

Careful what you wish for.

::

Brian.

::

Now that we've got that thoroughly covered,

::

care to run us down the

::

update on what's happening with Patreon?

::

With Paramount and Sony?

::

Yes.

::

Anyway,

::

we're switching gears here now from

::

Drake and Kendrick to Paramount and Sony.

::

And we did talk a little bit

::

about this last week on the pod,

::

but more news has come out.

::

So for those of you that are

::

following the streaming wars,

::

as I like to call them,

::

Paramount has now formally

::

opened negotiations with a

::

group that is Sony Pictures

::

and an investment private

::

equity giant called Apollo.

::

And essentially,

::

that group is making a

::

serious bid to take over Paramount.

::

Sony is a giant.

::

They are Spider-Man.

::

I will get a list of their movies.

::

You've seen their movies.

::

Morbius, Kraven the Hunter.

::

The big ones, you guys.

::

They're the big ones.

::

Anyone but you.

::

Yeah, like the Uncharted movies.

::

They're a pretty significant player.

::

Please, for the love of God,

::

Google a Sony movie that's

::

better than the ones you just listed.

::

Because basically you're like,

::

wait a minute.

::

They're known for all the hits.

::

You know,

::

anyone but you hold the banana peel.

::

Half eaten apple core.

::

Crash was good.

::

Excuse you.

::

Anyone but you was fine.

::

It was good.

::

I do need to watch that though.

::

uh no but we're talking

::

we're talking no hard

::

feelings we're talking

::

bullet train okay um thank

::

you thank you those are

::

dumb money if you followed

::

that um is there anything

::

like money playing

::

No,

::

Dumb Money talks about it's basically

::

like it's how the GameStop

::

stock artificially got inflated.

::

People were buying in on that.

::

But yeah, so you know Sony movies.

::

Just going to put that out there.

::

um so anyway the current

::

state of affairs with with

::

paramount and paramount

::

plus essentially is that

::

this group has offered 26

::

billion dollars billion

::

with a b as in brian one of

::

the hosts here uh for

::

paramount the entirety of

::

paramount 26 billion dollars cash so

::

And if you were like, wow,

::

I thought Paramount was

::

like in a rough spot with debt.

::

You're right.

::

They have about 14 billion

::

with a B in debt.

::

So this deal clears all that

::

debt and it puts all of

::

those shareholders in the

::

positive $26 billion,

::

which is a lot of money for

::

Nickelodeon MTV, CBS, Paramount pictures,

::

Paramount plus like,

::

All, everything.

::

So it's a pretty significant

::

development that they've offered,

::

$26 billion.

::

And so I'm saying it's

::

probably more likely than

::

not this is going to happen

::

because it clears all the debt.

::

And also the board has a,

::

I'm going to drop some

::

investment terms here,

::

fiduciary responsibility,

::

if you're not familiar with that term.

::

You can't do that in public.

::

I know what it is.

::

Doug, what is it?

::

So it means that they have a

::

duty to act in the

::

investor's best interest.

::

Bingo.

::

Yep.

::

So basically... I'm probably

::

in one of the hot water bags.

::

No, no hot water bags here.

::

Just $26 billion.

::

So anyway,

::

they're going to look at this

::

deal and be like, yeah,

::

I would like $26 billion.

::

I'm not even mad about it.

::

I don't feel great about it, but I mean,

::

anyway.

::

Thank you.

::

Now we're in a spot where if

::

this deal does go through,

::

the federal regulators are

::

definitely going to step in because Sony,

::

for those that don't know,

::

is a foreign owned company

::

outside the United States.

::

They're a Japanese company

::

and you can't have a

::

foreign owned company own a

::

broadcasting company,

::

which is why Apollo

::

Investments is involved.

::

They're basically the U.S.

::

buffer.

::

So that this is all looking

::

more and more inevitable

::

that Paramount is going to get bought.

::

And that's where we're at.

::

Jesus Christ.

::

Holy shit.

::

A lot of money.

::

That's a lot of money to be

::

just slinging around.

::

I mean, for me, it's game over.

::

Like you have you have

::

somebody that's willing to

::

wipe out your debt and then

::

put you in the black.

::

It's over.

::

They're cooked.

::

yeah I i also think it's

::

important that people

::

understand that like movies

::

don't they don't just have

::

like a big bank account

::

where all the money that

::

they need to have to like

::

basically they borrow money

::

just like we would to buy a

::

car or a house oh yeah

::

they're buying they're

::

borrowing 80 million

::

dollars to make morbius

::

like that's what they

::

borrowed money to make like

::

so and then they hope that

::

through advertising through

::

ticket sales that they make

::

enough money back that they

::

can pay off that debt and

::

have money left over

::

So they end up being in the positives.

::

That's why when we talk

::

about the way in which

::

movies are made and we say like, okay,

::

wow, the box office was this,

::

they broke even.

::

That means they paid that

::

loan back and that was it.

::

And more.

::

Yeah.

::

Yep, they paid that loan back,

::

and that was it,

::

which is why when we say

::

they have $14 billion in debt,

::

that kind of made me go, holy shit,

::

really?

::

Like, that's a lot of debt.

::

That's a lot of debt.

::

That's the reported debt,

::

and obviously that can fluctuate.

::

But, I mean,

::

there are billions and

::

billions of dollars in debt

::

because they made some bad

::

– they made some choices.

::

Let's just say that.

::

Brian,

::

through your reporting and

::

investigating... I don't

::

know why I said reporting.

::

Like,

::

you talked to someone from Paramount.

::

I'm on the ground.

::

Did you know... Is this

::

going to be like a...

::

like a Disney Fox merger or

::

is Paramount still going to operate?

::

Just they are owned by Tony.

::

Do we,

::

do you have any indication on that

::

at all?

::

And if you don't, I'm just curious.

::

So I'm pulling this from the

::

New York times piece that, that came out,

::

um, on, on Sunday here, Sunday, May 5th.

::

Um, we're recording this Monday, May 6th.

::

Um, so there isn't,

::

Yeah, I know, right?

::

So there's no indication here.

::

I know,

::

I'm just giving all the secrets away.

::

There's no indication that

::

there'd be an old guard

::

standing by for Paramount.

::

It very much looks like

::

they're going to buy everything outright,

::

gut it,

::

and replace it with the... Essentially,

::

they would replace it with

::

these Apollo investment people,

::

which would definitely make me nervous.

::

But...

::

it's what Sony would have to

::

do since they can't have

::

the full controlling stake

::

in that company due to us law.

::

So it's, I think it would be,

::

I think it's going to be

::

like a giant court case thing.

::

That'll take over a year.

::

Like when the deal goes through.

::

Yeah.

::

But it looks like all that

::

paramount leadership would be gone.

::

And whoever's in Apollo, good luck.

::

You get to run a media empire now.

::

the thing with like handing

::

over all that money to like

::

whoever this new person in

::

charge is is like they can

::

go in a complete different

::

direction well with all of

::

these you know what I mean

::

like they're not obligated

::

to anything or keeping

::

anything that we know or

::

knew or like whatever

::

No, and I mean,

::

we've seen this before when

::

an investment firm takes

::

over any business, right?

::

They're just looking at the

::

bottom line like nothing is sacred.

::

Like, they're just going to try to find,

::

like,

::

how can we make the most money in

::

the quickest way possible?

::

And we're going to just keep

::

getting Sonic sequels or, like, you know,

::

Maverick movies.

::

And we've complained on this

::

podcast about HBO Max and

::

David Zaslav and his quest to...

::

pay like make money back and

::

to be a to get to debt zero

::

right like and he'll do

::

whatever it takes so I mean

::

it's a legitimate concern

::

marcus that you kind of

::

bring up like they could

::

legitimately have something

::

several things that are

::

completely completed can

::

them and write them off and

::

say oh a hundred percent

::

and they're gonna do that

::

like that's that's going to

::

happen uh yeah and so it's

::

just a matter which movies

::

is it gonna be and that's

::

disappointing because there

::

are people... That piece

::

they got is crazy.

::

Yes, absolutely.

::

There's a lot of folks who

::

worked really hard on those,

::

which is disappointing.

::

I mean,

::

the good news would be that

::

Paramount would... I mean,

::

this new group... Sony's

::

not in debt a whole ton.

::

They wouldn't be bringing a

::

whole ton of debt with them,

::

so they probably wouldn't

::

go into a Batgirl situation,

::

but I don't see them...

::

it's very possible that some of those,

::

some of those more

::

independent projects like,

::

like operation lioness, um,

::

some of those other

::

originals probably maybe halo.

::

They just don't,

::

they just don't go forward

::

if they weren't bringing in

::

major numbers.

::

Um, yeah, that's wild.

::

That's wild.

::

We'll see.

::

I guess we'll only be able

::

to see when it gets finalized.

::

Maybe we'll be back next

::

week saying it did get finalized.

::

We'll have an exact amount.

::

We'll see.

::

Stuff moves pretty quickly.

::

It does,

::

and I'm not confirming it here on

::

this podcast for anybody that's like, ah,

::

Brian Rash confirmed it.

::

I'm not confirming it,

::

but I don't see what

::

Matthew can do on a

::

whiteboard that you can be like, no,

::

this deal's bad for us.

::

You've got someone willing

::

to take all your debt and

::

then send you on the best

::

payday of your life.

::

I can't lie.

::

I don't know the man I would

::

become if somebody offered that to me.

::

I'll clear your debt and

::

whatever the case may be, I'll be like,

::

all right, man, listen.

::

I'll do something strange

::

for a piece of change, man.

::

That's it.

::

I want to meet the person.

::

Also,

::

I would share bruised ankle pics of

::

myself for that kind of change.

::

Absolutely.

::

You like black yams?

::

How about white yams that

::

have been bumped into by a bike pedal?

::

Ooh, that's my shit.

::

Cleat feet.

::

Oh, man.

::

Cleat feet.

::

How about them ebony yams, huh?

::

Ivory yams.

::

I also want to meet the person that's like,

::

hey, where do you get your movie news?

::

I don't know.

::

There's a guy in a

::

Spider-Man sweatshirt that

::

told me that this thing was a lock.

::

Like...

::

Do you know the term

::

fiduciary responsibility?

::

No, I don't.

::

Where'd you hear about it?

::

I don't know.

::

Some movie podcast.

::

These two knuckleheads who

::

were talking about yams.

::

They switched from yams,

::

but there's helpful information in there.

::

You got to weed through the yams.

::

You got to take what you need.

::

If we weren't an independent podcast,

::

we'd be having a producer being like, hey,

::

stop talking about yams.

::

You got to move about angles here.

::

what's the name of our

::

producer again because

::

she's always gina I i

::

nicknamed her gina I don't

::

know she's like

::

disappointed but supportive

::

you know she's like I'm not

::

I'm not big fan of y'all

::

talking about your feet but

::

there's finder.com our

::

angel investor absolutely

::

is so he's wants more of

::

that that was part of the

::

oscar that's part of the

::

arrangement the angel yeah um

::

Awesome.

::

Brian, thank you for sharing.

::

That's going to be really interesting.

::

Thanks, Brian.

::

Great job.

::

No problem.

::

I'm excited to see how it turns out.

::

Doug,

::

I hear you have some news to bring

::

about Jerry Seinfeld.

::

I have beef with Jerry Seinfeld.

::

Not you shouldn't be born beef,

::

but beef nonetheless.

::

Not I hate the way that you walk.

::

Not that I hate the way that you talk.

::

You know how much you gotta

::

hate a motherfucker to say

::

I hate the way that you walk?

::

It was not even like,

::

it was like separate verses.

::

It was just like a full run

::

on sentence of him just,

::

I hate the way you talk,

::

I hate the way you look,

::

I hate the way you dress,

::

I hate the way you dress.

::

It just listed it.

::

That's my whole existence.

::

I can't change some of that shit.

::

I can't change anything.

::

now I have been on record as

::

a comedian's apologist

::

right like I generally will

::

say hey it crossed a line

::

but that's kind of a

::

comedian's job like and I

::

would even say to a certain

::

extent like comedy shows

::

push the envelope a little

::

bit because it is a game of

::

the absurd like it's a game

::

of the absurd playing off

::

the straight man doing sort

::

of these situations that

::

are that way that's the

::

reason why I like it's

::

always sunny in

::

Philadelphia is the way in

::

which this works

::

So Jerry Seinfeld is on a

::

was on about a week ago,

::

was on a tour for his

::

latest movie called Unfrosted.

::

More on that in a moment,

::

which is which is on which is on Netflix,

::

which is a movie that is

::

set in the 60s and is a

::

story of how the Pop-Tart got made.

::

Oh, OK.

::

Got it.

::

OK.

::

Yeah.

::

I didn't know about this.

::

Yep.

::

Yeah.

::

But while he was on this

::

like to like while he was

::

on this like press tour,

::

he kind of said some stuff

::

that made a lot of folks

::

sort of raise their eyebrows and go like,

::

hey, what are you talking about, man?

::

So here's the quote.

::

Now I'm pulling it like sort

::

of a he said it on an

::

interview with The New Yorker.

::

I'm pulling it from a CNN article.

::

But here's the quote.

::

Um, it would be,

::

you would go home at the end of the day.

::

Most people would go, Oh, cheers is on.

::

Oh, mash is on.

::

Oh,

::

Mary Tyler Moore is on all in the

::

family is on.

::

You just expected there'd be

::

some funny stuff we can

::

watch on TV tonight.

::

Well, guess what?

::

Where is it?

::

This is the result of the

::

extreme left and PC crap

::

and people worrying so much

::

about offending other people.

::

Now they're going to go see

::

standup comics because

::

we're not policed by anyone.

::

What the fuck are you talking about?

::

Yeah,

::

that's kind of my knee-jerk reaction.

::

Like, what decade do you think it is?

::

Like it's not TV.

::

Is he watching?

::

Right.

::

Like, do you not have a,

::

do you only have like basic cable?

::

Cause yeah, most of that's pretty shitty.

::

Not going to lie to you.

::

Like watch 20,

::

watch three episodes of big

::

bang theory back to back.

::

Oh, it's not going to go well for anyone.

::

Um, so no,

::

like there's part of it where I'm like,

::

what are you,

::

what are you trying to get at here?

::

Um,

::

And I really just take

::

umbrage with the issue of, like, come on,

::

man.

::

Like, you don't watch anything else?

::

Like, go... Again,

::

not to try to point to...

::

And this was a point that Rob McElhaney,

::

one of the creators of It's

::

Always Sunny in Philadelphia, goes,

::

you clearly haven't watched

::

our show at all.

::

Because...

::

much of that on there you

::

haven't watched anything

::

like so if the point is hey

::

there aren't good sitcoms

::

anymore I think that's

::

because we as a people like

::

a group of people in our

::

society kind of went like

::

hey like we don't need to

::

do that anymore right

::

Yeah, we don't need to.

::

Which part?

::

The sitcom part.

::

Yeah, the sitcom part.

::

We don't need to collectively say... Look,

::

don't get me wrong.

::

Steinfeld had its place.

::

I still think some of it is

::

still funny to me to this day.

::

There have been... Modern

::

Family is a great example,

::

but I don't know if I would

::

call that a sitcom.

::

Right.

::

It's hard for me how I categorize things.

::

There's just pieces of this

::

where I'm like...

::

you just kind of sound,

::

sound like a guy that's like, Hey,

::

get off my lawn.

::

Like, and it's just a hundred percent.

::

And, and also this, like the PC stuff,

::

I think we've all evolved

::

to a certain point that like,

::

if sitcoms are trying to

::

appeal to a mass audience,

::

they need to make everybody

::

feel welcome or otherwise

::

they don't work.

::

Like then they are the

::

direct antithesis of what a

::

sitcom is supposed to do.

::

A sitcom is supposed to like,

::

I'm be able to sit down and

::

everybody across the

::

country is able to sit down

::

and enjoy it and find

::

something relatable to it.

::

So I don't understand like

::

what's the critique here?

::

Like, Oh,

::

no one's making sitcoms that

::

alienate anyone anymore.

::

Yeah.

::

Yeah.

::

Probably because we all agree that one,

::

it's not in our best

::

interest as a society to

::

put that stuff forward.

::

Two,

::

people have realized that for better

::

or for worse,

::

inclusion and seeing

::

yourself in that family

::

gets more people to watch,

::

which newsflash.

::

makes more money for the

::

studio putting it on like

::

there's so many other

::

things here that just feels

::

like stupid mark if you do

::

hand up yeah I have

::

questions and maybe

::

somebody can help me

::

process a little bit for

::

people that say this

::

comment like the pc crowd

::

the pc crowd the pc crowd

::

oh yeah what type of jokes

::

are you wanting to hear or

::

that you're cracking that

::

you feel as if right ain't

::

being said enough because

::

what exactly are you looking for

::

That's a fucking great question, isn't it?

::

Like, that's a great question.

::

And he specifically mentions, like,

::

MASH and, like, I cannot recall.

::

Mary Tyler Moore, All in the Family,

::

Cheers.

::

Like,

::

what about that era is it that you

::

want to joke from?

::

Right.

::

That's my question, too.

::

Also, to me, to me,

::

and I'm not saying this is to me.

::

Remember that.

::

Them shows was white as...

::

And they weren't the most

::

inclusive TV back then.

::

Because the running joke in

::

MASH was this guy

::

pretending to be a woman to

::

get out of the military.

::

But still, all of that to say,

::

the shows were so

::

non-inclusive to a point

::

that the Black people had

::

to go to BET and do Living Single.

::

We had to create alternative options.

::

That's just for Black people.

::

I understand the whole PC thing.

::

I do understand as a comic,

::

maybe you don't know which

::

landmine to step on.

::

Maybe you don't know how to tell.

::

Maybe you don't know how to tell.

::

Maybe you should develop a

::

new way to tell some jokes

::

that ain't just about offending anybody.

::

You can tell the truth.

::

I do know that there are

::

comics out there that can

::

make a very good joke in a

::

very smart way that doesn't

::

offend anybody, but it just opens up

::

Like, some type of level of thinking,

::

you know what I mean?

::

Well, and I think...

::

standup comedy is a little bit,

::

I agree with you, Marcus.

::

I think standup comedy is a

::

little bit different, right?

::

Because I'm there and it's

::

my responsibility as the comedian to, to,

::

to sort of take you on this

::

journey with me of, I make you feel safe.

::

I make you feel like this is

::

a place where you can relax

::

and you can laugh.

::

And as I start to get into

::

my set and I get in deeper

::

and deeper and deeper,

::

I start pushing the

::

envelope a little bit to

::

see how you respond.

::

Like that's my job as a

::

comic is I'm responsible for,

::

for the people in that room

::

if you watch a comedian

::

none of them walk out and

::

go let me tell you three

::

things about my dick you

::

didn't know they always

::

start with hey this is a

::

weird city hey this is

::

here's a weird thing that

::

happened to me while I was getting here

::

Hey,

::

here's the thing that happened to me

::

at work the other day.

::

Those are entry points to start to say,

::

like, see, I'm just like you.

::

And then as they get towards the end,

::

that's when they usually

::

start to switch and start talking about,

::

you know,

::

their sex life or their

::

relationship or their marriage,

::

because they've all

::

everybody's with them.

::

Like, yep, you got me.

::

Keep going.

::

You got me.

::

Keep going.

::

Yep.

::

And you can't really do that

::

anymore because people's

::

attention spans are short.

::

One,

::

it's hard to do that in a masterfully

::

in a sitcom style format, first of all.

::

But Marcus, to your point, yeah.

::

What joke are you trying to tell?

::

So I've watched just about

::

every episode of Seinfeld

::

probably two or three times.

::

I haven't actually sat down

::

and done the math,

::

but it's my go-to show when

::

I want to shut my brain off.

::

And most of those jokes are...

::

Like about Jerry's relationship,

::

which are usually involving

::

someone talking about like sex,

::

how they're trying to get sex,

::

how they're trying to get better at sex,

::

about how something weird

::

is happening with dating.

::

Like that's one plot line.

::

There's a few episodes of a

::

routine running through

::

line where it was like,

::

we can't really talk about

::

anyone who might be gay or

::

might be different because

::

they don't gel with the

::

group that is the four of

::

them in the show because

::

the four of them in the

::

show are straight white people.

::

So anything outside of that

::

is a little bit foreign and weird.

::

There's a whole line.

::

There is a whole episode

::

where they think Elaine is

::

dating a black person, like a light skin,

::

but it's never like a black, black person,

::

like a light skin, black person.

::

And they keep saying over

::

and over and over again,

::

they keep going like,

::

I don't feel like we should

::

be talking about this.

::

So they're not like

::

comfortable talking about it.

::

Yeah.

::

So yeah,

::

What joke are we trying to

::

what joke are we trying to say?

::

Like,

::

what joke are we trying to tell here?

::

Because some of the jokes

::

are like they haven't aged well.

::

There's an episode where Jerry is dating.

::

There's an episode where

::

Jerry is dating a masseuse.

::

Yep.

::

And the masseuse will give

::

everyone a massage but him.

::

So one night he has to like

::

trick her into giving him a massage.

::

But the whole like through

::

line underneath is like,

::

this feels very like it's an allegory for,

::

I'm going to force you to

::

touch me in a way I want you to.

::

And we're all supposed to

::

sort of like laugh about it.

::

And I think if you tried to make that now,

::

people would be like, Ooh,

::

that's really close to

::

talking about race.

::

So like, are we, so again, Jerry,

::

Do you want us to make more

::

light-handed rape jokes?

::

Because I don't think those

::

are in good taste for 7.30 on a Thursday.

::

I just, I don't know, man.

::

I've seen a lot of comedies.

::

I've seen a lot of stand-ups.

::

Yes.

::

And I have seen some very

::

crude and rough jokes.

::

I'm not going to say necessarily offensive,

::

but to define the term,

::

Tina Fey talks about it in her book,

::

and I'm going to use that definition.

::

A rough joke might be like,

::

Something like saying a

::

truth about some type of

::

racial injustice.

::

Like, oh, that's a rough joke,

::

but it's true.

::

Or like there's some element

::

of truth to it.

::

And it might make you uncomfortable,

::

but it's not necessarily like...

::

It's still a joke.

::

I'll give you an example, Brian.

::

So on Weekend Update this past weekend,

::

Michael Che made a comment

::

about how there was a

::

picture of Donald Trump,

::

and Michael Che said, well,

::

I can't – Donald Trump is

::

complaining that none of

::

his fans or supporters are in the –

::

courtroom with him as he's

::

on trial and then he goes

::

what is he talking about

::

look at all those police

::

standing behind him like

::

that is a that's a great

::

example of a rough joke

::

where there might be some

::

level of truth to that but

::

it's it kind of makes you

::

go like and even the

::

audience was like uh that's

::

a great example I'm a big

::

fan of a smart joke

::

You know what I mean?

::

An intelligent joke that

::

does bear... Because the

::

thing about comedy,

::

it's got to bear a little

::

truth in order to hurt.

::

It's going to hurt a little bit.

::

It's going to bear a little truth.

::

But if you can do it well,

::

then you can do... I feel

::

like a lot of older comics

::

just are not moving with

::

the fucking times.

::

That's like the most basic

::

thing I think is happening.

::

It's the same generation of

::

comics that are complaining about like,

::

oh,

::

we can't say whatever the fuck we want

::

to anymore.

::

Why the fuck would you...

::

Like, you know what I mean?

::

Like in a more diverse world,

::

why the fuck would you want

::

– why can't you challenge

::

yourself to maybe do better?

::

Also, really quick.

::

Sorry, I want to jump in.

::

Sorry, Brian.

::

I'll cut to you.

::

Do it.

::

You're actively an adult.

::

Say whatever the fuck you want to say.

::

That's true.

::

There's the consequences for it.

::

That's right.

::

Free speech is the freedom

::

not to just insult whoever you want to.

::

It's the consequences that come behind it.

::

Now, you say some foul ass shit,

::

you should expect a

::

slapping to come out of

::

nowhere to correct or something.

::

If I go to your show and you

::

tell a joke or a series of

::

jokes that I don't think is funny,

::

I'm not going to go to your

::

fucking show again.

::

And I might boo you and tweet about it.

::

And it's really easy.

::

I am a consumer.

::

Not to say it's a,

::

I'm not trying to make this

::

like a dance monkey for my

::

enjoyment type of scenario,

::

but you chose to be in an art form

::

Like this isn't divine intervention.

::

No one said like you have to

::

be a comic so you can go like there.

::

You made a choice to have

::

that be your line of work.

::

Yeah.

::

And yes, as a as a as a as a portrayer,

::

I have to honor that by not

::

talking when you're when

::

you're going through it,

::

like trying to make you know what I mean?

::

Like there's there's an

::

arrangement here of me as a

::

viewer and you as the comedian.

::

But part of that arrangement

::

is if I don't think it's funny,

::

I don't have to laugh.

::

And two,

::

I don't have to come to a joke

::

when you do a set at a comedy club again.

::

Like I just I get to choose with that.

::

So go ahead.

::

Say whatever the fuck you want to say.

::

Write whatever show you want to write,

::

Jerry.

::

Seriously, write it.

::

But don't be surprised when

::

people don't watch it, because after all,

::

if you're an artist and I

::

believe comedy is an art form.

::

Art is valued by the people

::

who are willing to consume it.

::

If I am not willing to consume it,

::

it might still be art to you,

::

but it's not art to me and

::

I don't want to participate in it.

::

Go ahead, Brian.

::

I think you make a great

::

point of just just to kind of close,

::

close that up or put a put a bow on it.

::

I mean,

::

like if you can't engage and adapt

::

with the times and realize like,

::

you know what?

::

I may not know the current

::

status of the vibe with

::

current people going to comedy shows.

::

Maybe that says something

::

about me and looking introspective.

::

you know have some

::

introspection that would be

::

a good path to go down but

::

instead he's like literally

::

blaming everyone else why

::

he no one finds him funny

::

and I think that's so wild

::

to me because you have

::

Larry David who wrote

::

Seinfeld who I would say is

::

equally as responsible for

::

Seinfeld success as Jerry

::

Seinfeld is and Larry David

::

kept writing he wrote Curb

::

Your Enthusiasm and

::

which to me is not like

::

censored or like safe.

::

I think I want to say like,

::

there's some really rough,

::

there's some rough episodes

::

of really rough episodes.

::

I think is a good way to put it.

::

I mean, and to even talk about,

::

I don't even understand

::

what the radical left has

::

to do with any of this.

::

That was my next point.

::

I just don't understand what that means.

::

Stop blaming.

::

The radical left isn't

::

censoring things because 10 years ago,

::

I was watching It's Always

::

Sunny in Philadelphia and

::

the main plot point was

::

trying to pick up a girl at

::

an abortion rally, which...

::

I haven't seen anything like that since,

::

you know,

::

there's a man in there named

::

rickety cricket who actively,

::

every time he shows up towards the,

::

like in the middle episodes goes,

::

that'll be $5 to stick

::

anything in me or have me

::

stick anything anywhere else.

::

That is a line from the show.

::

So like, let's, let's not hear like, well,

::

like you're the radical left.

::

Is it like, we got to censor everything.

::

Cause Hey,

::

They like to laugh too, motherfuckers.

::

I don't get it.

::

Are you just trying to say

::

you want more Mary Tyler Moore?

::

Because that's fine.

::

It was a fine show.

::

There's plenty of reboots, Jerry.

::

To say that stuff is getting

::

censored by some magical

::

group because it's

::

offensive is just simply not true.

::

I've watched a comedy

::

special about John Mulaney

::

doing cocaine in a bathroom

::

off of the child changing station.

::

what is wrong with you jerry

::

like you're clearly not

::

paying attention which by

::

the way john mulaney's

::

latest netflix special

::

right a great oh yeah great

::

time um about his battle

::

with drugs baby jay like so

::

I don't know jerry seinfeld

::

clearly needs to like go

::

outside and take a walk I'm

::

not really sure what's happened there

::

Well, I could tell you another thing.

::

This is the other thing I

::

was going to mention,

::

and I'll make it quick.

::

He really maybe should think

::

about movies he makes.

::

Why is that?

::

I know I've been shitting

::

all over like Jerry

::

Seinfeld for like 20 minutes.

::

It's OK.

::

We're going to keep going.

::

The movie Unfrosted.

::

Brittany and I watched it this weekend.

::

How was that for you?

::

Not great.

::

It was not great, you guys.

::

It was goddamn liberal leftist.

::

You know what I am?

::

I'm a part of the fucking problem.

::

That's what I am.

::

I just didn't get it.

::

But I think I just didn't

::

get it is really the best

::

way to sum up this movie.

::

Now,

::

not the movies about the star didn't

::

get it.

::

That's not that level I didn't get it.

::

I just couldn't tell this whole time

::

Because it feels like Jerry,

::

it feels like Unfrosted is

::

trying to make fun of

::

Kellogg's for making the Pop-Tart.

::

Okay.

::

But I can't tell,

::

is it based off of a true story?

::

Is it not?

::

I mean, the cast in it is phenomenal.

::

Everybody is in this.

::

Let me pull up the cast quick,

::

because this is insane, this cast.

::

I remember when you were like, oh yeah,

::

Unfrosted, and I did a quick Google of it,

::

and I was like, this is so many people.

::

It's a lot of people.

::

So it's...

::

let me pull it up it's jerry

::

seinfeld it's jim gaffigan

::

it's melissa mccarthy those

::

are the three like those

::

are the three hugh grant

::

Yes.

::

So, yes.

::

So here it is.

::

It's Jerry Seinfeld, Christian Slater,

::

Jim Gaffigan, Hugh Grant, Kyle Mooney,

::

Mikey Day, Patrick Warburton,

::

Max Greenfield, Amy Schumer.

::

And then there's a bunch of other ones,

::

too,

::

that are like there's there are other

::

like smaller characters.

::

So, yeah.

::

So it's just, it's wild to me.

::

Like a lot.

::

Cedric, the entertainers in this.

::

Yes.

::

Cedric, the entertainers in this, um,

::

Bobby Moynihan, James Marsden, um,

::

$5 haircuts in it.

::

So like Tony Hale.

::

So it has like everybody is this,

::

this movie, um,

::

but it just, it's what I don't, I,

::

I just remember watching it

::

and getting like,

::

cause it's only about an

::

hour and a half and it's on Netflix.

::

I remember getting like

::

about an hour in and I

::

looked at Brittany and I went,

::

I missing something.

::

And she goes, yeah, I think I am too.

::

I'm like, is this a joke?

::

Is it serious?

::

Like I can't,

::

like I can't tell whether or

::

not it's a joke or not.

::

And so I just,

::

it was really hard for me to

::

consume and understand it's on Netflix.

::

So, I mean,

::

if you have an afternoon to kill, um,

::

it's only an hour and a half

::

so that might be that might

::

be an even worse review

::

recommendation than rebel

::

moon part two and I'm not

::

even joking and we were so

::

hard on rebel moon part two

::

and you're just like but

::

even we were like even we

::

were we were like well the

::

action sequences are cool

::

yeah I'm like I mean this

::

is I mean how fancy can a

::

movie get about a goddamn dried pastry

::

Look, I think this had potential.

::

I'm going to watch it.

::

I'm going to hate watch it now.

::

But like this had potential.

::

Like you have this these

::

many stars talking about

::

the creation of the Pop-Tart.

::

It feels like a pretty fertile ground.

::

I have some good comedic

::

bits in a time period.

::

But like from what Doug is saying,

::

it just kind of sounds like

::

it barely draws a heartbeat.

::

What genre is that?

::

Of like the origin story of Pop-Tarts,

::

Cheetos.

::

Like a biopic?

::

A fake biopic?

::

And that's the thing.

::

It's the dialogue.

::

The situations that they're in

::

are funny.

::

Like here,

::

here's one example towards the

::

beginning of the movie and

::

I'm not giving anything away.

::

They have awards,

::

like they have the serial

::

awards and they call them the spoonies.

::

Like, and it's between,

::

because the whole thing is

::

about this competition

::

between Kellogg's and post.

::

And that's where Cedric,

::

the entertainer is.

::

He plays the MC giving out the awards.

::

Um, and it's sort of like, Oh, cool.

::

But is that like, are those real?

::

Are they not real?

::

Like they, cause they feel made up,

::

but you're all right.

::

There's no moment of anyone

::

looking at the camera being like,

::

this is funny, right?

::

It's all... Everybody's

::

doing the most taking

::

themselves seriously.

::

Right.

::

And the performers are great.

::

I just think there's

::

something about the

::

delivery and the way it was written,

::

to be honest.

::

Yeah, it sounds like...

::

Sounds like you got your

::

head in the wrong business.

::

Sounds like you need to stop

::

worrying about what's too

::

PC and worry about them roles.

::

I'm only mad at you right now.

::

Honestly, I don't know you like that.

::

I don't really care.

::

I'm not a big fan of Seinfeld.

::

I used to watch it because

::

it was like the longest

::

running TV show and the

::

only thing on it like four

::

in the fucking morning

::

where they do five episodes

::

back to back to back.

::

Yep.

::

but I just think stop

::

blaming other people either

::

like get used to it and

::

stop trying to either all

::

of the comics are going to

::

come together and rebel

::

against the leftist PC

::

agenda or shut the fuck up

::

like do something different

::

and find another way to go

::

get it any real hustler

::

will find a way to hone

::

their craft in a different

::

fucking way and stop making excuses

::

I think there's two things here.

::

I feel like Jerry Seinfeld

::

is maybe two to three years

::

away from the right-wing comedy sector.

::

Inevitable Tim Allen syndrome.

::

Exactly.

::

I do think he might Tim Allen it.

::

He's certainly on that trajectory.

::

Remember when when things

::

were back in the 50s?

::

Everyone's like, Yeah, I do.

::

I remember when things were in the 50s.

::

Like, and that's it.

::

That's the bit.

::

That's when I couldn't vote.

::

Mm hmm.

::

I remember that.

::

How funny was that?

::

Like, that's the Tim Allen said, like, Hey,

::

remember when kids didn't have iPhones?

::

Yeah, I do.

::

Isn't that funny?

::

Um,

::

I feel like we're really close to that.

::

And I,

::

I do think in the next two to three years,

::

this isn't full Roseanne bar syndrome.

::

Like this is a sliding scale

::

of old white comedian.

::

Like itis is, you know,

::

you've got your 10 amounts

::

where they were kind of weird.

::

And you're like, Hey,

::

remember when you did like

::

cocaine hard in the eighties and people,

::

then you got home

::

improvement and everybody were like him.

::

Um,

::

really they're like yep he's

::

turned a new leaf that's

::

what's happened everybody

::

out to the FBI so yeah

::

that's what happened and

::

then but not like Roseanne

::

where it was like where she was like

::

There's a cabal of people

::

who make me in charge and I

::

don't feel like serving.

::

I don't want to be their slave anymore.

::

And it was like, God damn, Roseanne.

::

Like, yeesh.

::

Honestly,

::

I think the other thing here is

::

that comedy is so, it's not,

::

like back in the day when

::

Seinfeld was doing his thing,

::

there was like four network shows, right?

::

And that was it.

::

It is so, it is just so,

::

I'm not going to say fractured,

::

but there's so many

::

different waves of comedy

::

and so many different shows,

::

so many different channels.

::

Like people follow comedians

::

on Tik TOK and would rather

::

watch their lives than like

::

watch a standup set.

::

That's not, that's not me, but like,

::

I do know those people and

::

the way that comedy has changed.

::

It's so clear that Jerry

::

Seinfeld and his team are,

::

just don't get it.

::

And I think the best

::

contrast I can give you to

::

this is Conan O'Brien, who is like,

::

I'm going to have a podcast.

::

I'm going to talk to these people.

::

I'm going to connect with these people.

::

And he just went on Hot Ones

::

not too long ago.

::

It was incredible.

::

And he's killing it.

::

It was incredible.

::

Like, Conan O'Brien...

::

almost 60 years old just

::

killing the game like I i

::

was shocked he just had an

::

hp he just had a he had a

::

max thing that came out

::

where he's conan o'brien

::

must go and he just goes to

::

different country countries

::

and basically does yes and improv yep

::

all over these different

::

countries and it's funny

::

like it works like it's

::

silly at times but it works

::

it just shows you that like

::

Jerry Seinfeld is just he's

::

not creative anymore he's

::

not open to anything and he

::

has people around him

::

lapping him and he just

::

can't make sense of it

::

yeah and I and I'm kind of

::

tired like I I'm kind of I

::

am equally tired of the

::

like coming for comedians

::

for what they said when

::

they were on stage like

::

that group of folks that's

::

like we need to police

::

everything everyone anyone

::

ever says with a mic in

::

their hand with their on

::

stage but I am also equally

::

over the comedians that are

::

like we're not

::

allowed to say what we want

::

anymore like I both sides

::

both extreme sides of that

::

coin make me go like enough

::

like I'm just over both of

::

you like leave me alone um

::

because both make me angry

::

for different reasons for

::

very different reasons but

::

they both I'm fed up with both

::

That's what I got.

::

Thanks for being with me

::

while I was on my Jerry

::

Seinfeld diatribe.

::

I appreciate it.

::

It needed to be said.

::

Anybody else got anything

::

that they want to chat

::

about before we wrap this one up?

::

Marcus,

::

do you want to maybe talk about

::

maybe a certain red-caped fellow?

::

Yeah.

::

Our favorite alien?

::

Yeah.

::

It's okay if it's no.

::

Maybe you need some time.

::

We need to talk about it

::

because it was revealed today.

::

It was.

::

James Gunn posted the first

::

full-ish picture of Henry

::

Cornsweat as Superman today

::

in the full red and blue

::

boy scout in all of his glory.

::

He's sitting in this seat

::

and what you see in it is

::

like the way that he has it

::

set up is there's an attack

::

happening in Metropolis in

::

the background and in the caption it says,

::

suiting up or getting ready

::

and it's Superman basically

::

putting on his boots and

::

getting ready to fly out.

::

So now what you can see, thanks, Brian.

::

No problem.

::

I got you.

::

So what you see here is just

::

a picture of Superman getting ready.

::

You see kind of a blue, tattered,

::

it looks like this suit has

::

been through some type of hell.

::

Like he's been through it.

::

It's not like a clean suit.

::

And so this is it.

::

You can kind of slightly see

::

if you pay attention enough,

::

there are red undies on Superman.

::

And so they kind of do their

::

will to like hide that.

::

There's a collar on this

::

Superman too as well.

::

And so that's very interesting.

::

And so this suit has a lot

::

of like the new 52 vibes.

::

Yeah, that's what I was about to say.

::

DC Comics.

::

It's like there's the collar on it.

::

There's a lot of these

::

pieces that just scream.

::

It's not your...

::

Superman that we're kind of

::

used to that traditional

::

red cape tucked into blue tights.

::

This is a little bit more modern,

::

a little bit more fresh.

::

So this was a picture he

::

posted on Instagram and

::

socials everywhere.

::

Thoughts?

::

And I love, I love that in the background,

::

there's this giant cosmic

::

event happening and he's

::

just casually getting dressed.

::

Love that for everyone involved.

::

My knee jerk reaction when I

::

first saw the suit for the

::

first time was I really like the collar.

::

I don't know why.

::

I felt like they always,

::

with some of these,

::

not so much with Henry Cavill's suit,

::

but with the other ones,

::

they always gave this

::

plunging neckline to Superman.

::

They always made it right here.

::

And I was like,

::

it just doesn't make any sense to me.

::

Like,

::

it just seems I would want my neck

::

protected,

::

especially if I have a cape

::

because then I can make my

::

whole connect to my traps

::

and through my shoulders

::

instead of having to be

::

just my shoulders.

::

I just, I liked,

::

I really liked the look of the, the, um,

::

the collar.

::

I thought it gave him a

::

little bit more of like, uh, a nice look.

::

So I enjoyed that one.

::

Um,

::

This is the feeling that

::

it's giving me here,

::

like a little bit of this

::

collar that's here.

::

But this is definitely like

::

the more you see by the

::

pattern tracing in the arm,

::

except for the red undies.

::

Like this is what

::

essentially the new

::

Superman looks and feels like.

::

And I'll be honest with you.

::

I'm 50-50.

::

Oh, okay.

::

I need to see one with the suit,

::

the way that the picture is

::

taken in the suit, the suit looks bulky.

::

It doesn't look, you know what I mean?

::

Like it looks like it's,

::

it has like a lot of extra protect,

::

protect your neck, Superman,

::

protect your neck.

::

I'm like Wu-Tang.

::

You got to protect your neck.

::

You got to protect your neck.

::

Woo said it best.

::

Shout out to the Woo.

::

If I find out,

::

if I walk into the theater

::

and Superman is listening to Wu-Tang,

::

I'm going to lose it.

::

I might cheer.

::

I might yell.

::

I might scream like a little.

::

Ah!

::

Yeah.

::

And I'm 50-50.

::

I want to see what the suit

::

looks like when he's like

::

standing up in the more so

::

iconic Superman pose.

::

Yeah.

::

Obviously James Gunn doesn't

::

want to do a full reveal

::

because I imagine he wants to do

::

like a shot or a scene.

::

He wants to see the suit in

::

action in the movie.

::

So, but I don't know.

::

I'm 50-50 on it.

::

I like it.

::

I like the Superman symbol.

::

I like that it's something new.

::

It still pays homage to

::

everything that came before it,

::

but it's still definitely its own thing.

::

And it'll take some adjusting,

::

but I think it'll be fine.

::

And it's not CGI.

::

Oh, that's helpful.

::

No better.

::

No, I like honestly,

::

if I'm if I'm James Gunn

::

and I want to make a

::

distinct difference from

::

the previous movies,

::

I feel like the collared

::

suits is a really good way to go.

::

It's distinctive.

::

It's immediate and it's small.

::

Like it's something you can

::

do with every outfit.

::

Yeah.

::

i also I'm also looking at

::

this picture and it looks

::

like he has like shoulder

::

pad armor and I'm not 100

::

sure what I'm looking at

::

but if it does go that

::

direction I do like that

::

idea of bulking up those

::

shoulders just a little bit

::

just to kind of give it a

::

little bit more definition

::

and something just a little

::

bit more different

::

Yeah, but I'm hyped.

::

I'm hyped for this movie.

::

Just because the man is

::

invincible doesn't mean his

::

shoulders don't get sore

::

from running into shit.

::

That's my thought process.

::

His back is always hurting

::

because he's just carrying

::

the whole world on his shoulders.

::

I'm sorry,

::

what did that have to do with

::

the neck thing, or what?

::

No, the shoulder pads.

::

Like, think about it.

::

If I'm going to go flying

::

shoulder first into a car

::

or a brick building, yeah,

::

I'm invincible and I can go

::

right through it.

::

It doesn't mean it's not going to hurt.

::

Like,

::

I'm still taking my body and throwing

::

it through a brick building.

::

Maybe if you're not Superman, but for...

::

Superman, that doesn't hurt, by the way.

::

He doesn't need shoulder pads.

::

Also, we have an additional comment.

::

Are we doing it?

::

I got really defensive.

::

I'm sorry.

::

You did.

::

You were like, no, not my guy.

::

Shut the fuck up, Doug.

::

I know who my next diss track is about.

::

This dumb motherfucker.

::

The track is going to be

::

called Shoulder Pads.

::

I'm sorry.

::

You got shoulder pads.

::

I don't know.

::

I'm sorry.

::

I didn't mean that.

::

I need shoulder pads from

::

your dumbass brain.

::

I was just moving on.

::

I just feel like... You need

::

shoulder pads.

::

I got sands.

::

I don't know.

::

That's why I don't rap.

::

All right.

::

Brian's spitting a hot four bars.

::

Oh, just, just, yeah.

::

That's how you know it's a

::

real piece of art.

::

Yeah.

::

No, I think,

::

I think this will be interesting.

::

I think I'm ready to see him

::

surrounded by the other,

::

because there's six other

::

main characters in here and

::

I want to see what their

::

costumes look like.

::

Obviously your first one in

::

your first movie is going

::

to feel significantly

::

different as that character ages.

::

If it's anything like Marvel,

::

they can't let one costume sit for

::

You know what I mean?

::

They always find a reason to

::

give a new one.

::

It's superheroes and wrestlers.

::

Anytime that there's a big main event,

::

they get a new outfit.

::

That's how you used to be

::

able to tell with WrestleMania.

::

You knew who was going to win.

::

They showed up wearing new shit.

::

Did Triple H get new tights?

::

That motherfucker's going

::

home with a championship.

::

That's what's happening.

::

His action figure's going to drop.

::

Those fucking Cody Rhodes.

::

I don't know.

::

That's all I got.

::

alright, well,

::

let us know if your opinion changes,

::

whether one way or another.

::

We would be eager to know about it.

::

Oh, I did have something else.

::

I watched Crisis on Infinite

::

Earths Part 1 and Part 2.

::

It's a DC animated movie.

::

Part 1 is on Max for free,

::

and then the second part is

::

on Amazon Prime.

::

I had to pay for it to buy it.

::

But they have a Part 3 coming out, too,

::

as well.

::

So it's a three-part animation.

::

Which will be on Paramount+.

::

Which

::

probably at this point.

::

Yeah.

::

I just thought,

::

I think that that movie is

::

very interesting in the way

::

that they depict their characters.

::

I could see that kind of be

::

in the tone of what they

::

want Superman to become in

::

James Gunn's kind of like

::

between the mix of my

::

adventures as Superman and this movie,

::

I feel like it has to feel

::

kind of similar to how they want,

::

because James Gunn is all

::

about hope with the Superman.

::

Like this guy's going to

::

provide some hope.

::

He's going to be the one

::

that people look to for hope.

::

And I think that Corn Sweat looks great.

::

I mean, he looks like a.

::

lack of a better term, he looks like a big,

::

tall, white,

::

country-bred motherfucker with a curl,

::

and he looks good as Superman.

::

How you act and how you portray everything,

::

we'll have to wait to see,

::

but I just thought that

::

that movie was really interesting.

::

Got me really excited for this.

::

So, yeah.

::

Yeah, I'm a big fan.

::

Yeah, I will say, suit aside,

::

he looks good.

::

Like,

::

David Cornswet in that picture looks

::

good as Superman.

::

So there's no concerns.

::

That confirmed, like,

::

that was a good cast

::

because just the way he fills it out.

::

So I agree with you, Marcus.

::

The rest will sort of have

::

to be time will tell.

::

Cool.

::

Gentlemen.

::

Okay, Roman acted up.

::

Oh, did you just say it on Max for free?

::

Get this title for free with

::

a $10 subscription.

::

You're right.

::

I did fuck that up, Roman.

::

I did.

::

I'm sorry.

::

I did.

::

Man,

::

everybody turned it on Marcus in the

::

last 15 minutes of this podcast.

::

Yeah, yeah.

::

I deserve it.

::

That's what happens.

::

My tone was Superman,

::

but he fucked up a lot of stuff.

::

You know what I mean?

::

That's my fault.

::

That's okay.

::

It's okay.

::

We all get defenses about things.

::

It's confusing.

::

What is on Amazon Prime?

::

What is Amazon Prime?

::

Yeah.

::

Gentlemen,

::

anything else before we close it out?

::

Otherwise,

::

I will turn it over to what you

::

all have to plug this week.

::

Nothing.

::

I think I'm good.

::

Brian, take it away.

::

What do you got to plug?

::

Hey, folks.

::

Head on over to Etsy.com and

::

search Color Me Confetti.

::

One word.

::

You can go check out my

::

wife's printables for parties.

::

You've got a party coming up.

::

Go print those decorations.

::

You don't have to go anywhere.

::

You don't have to go to Amazon.

::

You don't have to go to the big one.

::

You can go to Etsy.com.

::

Type in Color Me Confetti.

::

Go check out those printables.

::

Absolutely.

::

Marcus, what do you got?

::

You always want to make sure

::

you follow the mantra, never offended,

::

always humble.

::

Go buy yourself some merch.

::

Soul Tide drops this week.

::

He drops his new song, Link.

::

You can find that everywhere

::

on DSPs and a pre-saved

::

link out in his bio right now.

::

Follow him on Instagram, S-O-U-L-T-Y-E.

::

But whatever you do, follow the mantra,

::

never offended, always humble.

::

Absolutely.

::

I want to plug this podcast.

::

Hey,

::

if you enjoyed our conversations about

::

yams and Superman and rap beef, you know,

::

share us with a friend or a

::

family member.

::

It's the best way that we

::

get that traction with others.

::

But if you're feeling generous,

::

head over to Patreon dot

::

com slash films of black and white.

::

Sign up for one of our tiers

::

there and be a part of the Patty family.

::

Love to have you.

::

Gentlemen,

::

we have a three-step process to success.

::

Brian, what is that first step?

::

Hi, I'm here to tell you to read a book,

::

and I'm currently reading Invincible,

::

the first compendium, via Hoopla.

::

It's great.

::

It's all on my iPad.

::

I get to read as long as I have battery.

::

That's the one thing about

::

reading nowadays.

::

You gotta make sure if

::

you're reading on a device,

::

it has batteries.

::

Hey,

::

remember when you didn't have to read

::

books with batteries?

::

It's weird.

::

You gotta read

::

Things with batteries.

::

But anyway,

::

make sure the battery's charged.

::

And yeah, just go to your library.

::

Just take the books.

::

They don't care.

::

As long as you bring them back,

::

you just take them.

::

Just take them.

::

Read a book.

::

I love it.

::

Marcus, give us that second step, man.

::

You want to make sure that

::

you drink some water.

::

Today was rainy here in South Dakota,

::

but it'll get hot eventually.

::

And you want to be proactive.

::

So make sure you drink some water.

::

Treat yourself to the nice stuff.

::

If you want to treat some sparkling,

::

bubbly water,

::

whatever it is that gets your shit off,

::

just make sure you drink some water.

::

absolutely and look y'all

::

like marcus said it was

::

rainy today but just

::

because you walked outside

::

in the rain that doesn't

::

count as a shower that

::

doesn't count as washing

::

your ass you got to go into

::

a bathroom with some soap

::

and a washcloth or a loofah

::

or whatever your utensil of

::

choice is and wash that ass

::

it is very very important

::

that you do so uh because you

::

We're in two shower territory, you guys.

::

It's going to be 75 at the

::

end of this week.

::

Two showers territory,

::

especially on the weekends.

::

You wake up, you shower,

::

you do some work outside,

::

or you play with your kids,

::

you do whatever you're doing,

::

you shower again,

::

because Lord knows you sweat,

::

so get after it.

::

And step four from our guy in the chat,

::

Roman Meyer, step four,

::

grab an extra chocolate

::

chip muffin when given the chance.

::

He's not wrong.

::

He's not wrong.

::

You never know when you're

::

going to need a muffin.

::

I did that Friday.

::

It was great.

::

Yeah,

::

you never know because you might need

::

a snack later, and then you have it.

::

You don't have to worry about it.

::

Gentlemen,

::

that does it for this week's

::

episode of Films in Black and White.

::

We will be back next week

::

with another outstanding episode.

::

But in the meantime,

::

and in the between time, stay safe,

::

stay healthy.

::

We love y'all.

::

We appreciate y'all.

::

We'll catch y'all next week.

::

Love you!

::

Brian, were you giving us robot guns?

::

I was.

::

I was going...

::

kind of like a terminator

::

but like and then I saw

::

your heavy metal thing so

::

it was just it was a lot

::

happening in my brain at

::

one time as you were

::

starting to sign off I'm so

::

glad the stream was still running

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