Beyond the Pills: Healing Mental Health at the Root

The Problem: Are We Treating Mental Health… or Just Managing It?

Anxiety, depression, and mental health challenges are at an all-time high—but what if the current system is missing the bigger picture?

In this episode, Dr. Aruna Nammi challenges the conventional model of psychiatry and asks a bold question:

“There is no healing. It’s only management.”

If mental health is being reduced to chemical imbalances and lifelong medication… are we actually solving the problem?

The Shift: From Symptom Management to Root Cause Healing

As a board-certified psychiatrist trained in traditional medicine, Dr. Nammi followed the system—until her own health journey forced her to question everything.

“What I was doing… was not really medicine. It was just managing.”

What she discovered changed the trajectory of her career—and her patients’ lives.

Instead of asking “What drug treats this symptom?”

She began asking:

“What is causing this in the first place?”

The Framework: The 3 Root Causes of Mental Health Issues

Through years of clinical practice and personal healing, Dr. Nammi identified three core drivers behind most mental health conditions:

• Diet & Lifestyle
• Unresolved Trauma
• Environmental Toxins

“There’s only three things I’m addressing… diet and lifestyle, trauma, and environmental toxins.”

This simple—but powerful—framework is redefining how we approach healing from the inside out.

The Integration: Where Ancient Wisdom Meets Modern Science

Dr. Nammi’s approach isn’t about rejecting modern medicine—it’s about expanding it.

By integrating:

• Functional medicine
• Ayurveda
• Neuroscience
• Holistic psychiatry

She’s bridging the gap between science and soul.

“We are shifting the paradigm from managing symptoms to healing the body first.”

And in many cases, that means patients are able to reduce or even come off medications safely—under proper care.

The Awakening: When Intuition Challenges the System

One of the most powerful moments in this conversation comes from her experience as a mother—when instinct clashed with conventional medical advice.

“Everything in my being knew… that’s not how you raise a child.”

That moment wasn’t just personal—it was a turning point.

A reminder that true healing often begins when we start questioning what we’ve been told.

The Outcome: A New Future for Mental Health

Today, Dr. Nammi is pioneering a new model of psychiatry—one that doesn’t just suppress symptoms, but restores balance, vitality, and alignment.

“People were getting better… just doing the bare minimum differently.”

This isn’t just a conversation about mental health.

It’s a conversation about redefining what healing actually means.

Listen If You’re Ready To:

• Rethink everything you’ve been told about mental health
• Understand the root causes behind anxiety and depression
• Explore a more holistic, integrated approach to healing
• Step beyond symptom management into true transformation

Connect with Dr. Aruna Nammi

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Join me and other practitioners as we guide you towards vibrant health, body, mind, and spirit, and move beyond symptom management into true healing. Welcome back, everybody. Uh, to this episode of Beyond the Pills, I am Josh Rimini, pharmacist Turned Healer. And today, we have a special guest, um, someone that is in the intersection of ancient wisdom and modern science.

Through her signature approach, uh, Psychiatry 2.0, Dr. Aruna, is shifting the paradigm from managing symptoms to healing the body first, helping patients not only restore balance and vitality, but in many cases, safely reducing or coming off psychiatric medications when appropriate. I have a feeling that's how we connected.

Dr. Runa, welcome to Beyond the Pill.

Aruna: Thank you, Josh. It is my absolute pleasure to be here.

Josh: Oh, it's, it was ... When we first connected, um, we've lots to talk about. Um, I'm really excited because mental wellbeing is something that's on the top of a lot of people's minds. We know that anxiety and depression and all these, these mental health components are, are at, you know, a higher awareness now, but they're also kind of increasing, I think, in, in some spaces.

Aruna: So, um, oh, gosh, that takes me back to almost, uh, 30 years back in my life. Um, so I grew up in South India, uh, very traditional Indian family.

Um, and education was always very important, uh, in my family. And, uh, my father, I am, uh, the middle of, uh, three daughters, three sisters. Um, and it was kind of predestined for me that my oldest sister was going to be an engineer. The second one, me, was going to be a doctor, and the third one, I guess she had her choice.

Um, and so, you know, I got into medical school when I was 17, and, uh, it was only when ... And I had no idea what specialization I was going to do. But in that undergrad, when I first, uh, came across psychiatry, I still remember. Um, and lucky, I would say luckily for me, growing up in India, I was shielded from a lot of the psychiatric terminology.

And I would see people struggling. I mean, you know, uh, different, uh ... I, I ... It's not that I was not exposed to mental illness that was there, but the overuse of psychiatric language in the common Mexican did not exist. So I literally came across the word schizophrenia as a medical student, and when I read about it, that, uh, it, delusions and hallucinations for the first time, I was blown away by

I got to work with a really, uh, wonderful psychiatrist who, um, was introducing us students, interns to the psychodynamic concepts, but also the biological basis of mental illness. And India actually has one of the very, very, uh, top-rated psychiatric, uh, institutes. It's called Mimhance, National Institute of Mental Health and Neurosciences, and it's directly under the governance of central government of India.

Josh: Um- Oh, that's a thing. Just those things. Why? Oh.

Aruna: Demands truly is my alma mater. I got to work with so many wonderful psychiatrists. And back there, when I was ... I mean, now, unfortunately, the insurance problems are ... I mean, in the ... It's, it's crazy. The medical world in India is just as crazy as the of the US, um, with one big advantage that people are very aware of what is happening and they're fighting back, uh, right at the, at the start.

So the central, um, architecture is all ... It's a, it's a garden. It's a, it's a beautiful, um, uh, it's a, it's a garden that is built, and all of the units are built around the space, around the garden. Um, so that was the ... Yeah. So-

Josh: Well, it's, it's. Well, you know, and it's fun to see, like, even in this short part of your story, right?

Aruna: That came, um, with becoming a mother.

So, uh-

Josh: Ah, okay. Yeah. Talk about that.

It ... Back then, it was the chemical imbalance theory and the psychiatric medications for schizophrenia, psychotics. And, and I mean, everything was ... It was very, very simple, but he told us, but the real healing in psychiatry is about the relationship is one thing that he, he mentioned, and the second thing is that, that we really need to connect with the heart and soul of this profession.

But, uh, when I was still that very young resident learning about neurochemistry and all of these, you know, very biological false theories, now when I look back, a movie was released in my, uh, language, uh, it's Telugu. It's one of the South Indian Ravitian languages, uh, about a saint who lived in the 15th century.

Um, so that's his incredible contribution. And he ... But in the movie, and which is really his, um, his real story, when he was about 18, 19, uh, he has a spiritual experience. But to my young eyes as a psychiatrist, even as I was watching the movie and it was a very impactful movie, I came back and I was reading something from my textbook.

I remember I was alone in the reading hall and I had this big Kaplan and Saturda textbook and I was thinking about the movie and I thought, oh my God, he had a psychotic break. And poor thing, he suffered, his family suffered so much. If only he had antipsychotics at his disposal, he wouldn't have gone through so much misery.

The name that, uh, Kreplin, uh, gave to schizophrenia. So, but then in this movie, he has that experience. It is integrated. He then goes on to become, he, he devotes his life to meditation and, and the spiritual path, but he also is married. He has, uh, uh, he raises children and, uh, he made such an incredible contribution that we reveal him.

In fact, even here in, um, in the US, every year, the, the Karnatic Musical Schools, they, they celebrate his, uh, birthday or something. They honor him every year. Like 600 years later, we are still talking about him and, uh, and his songs are really, I mean, if you understand the language, they're absolutely beautiful songs.

Uh, but becoming a mother, all of a sudden, I, my, and you know, there's so much of Ayurveda that is imbibed into our culture. We don't even call it Ayurveda, it's just the way. So when I was pregnant, the way my mom and my mother-in-law, they took care of me with so many herbs for the first time I didn't ask them, "Where's the double-blind randomized controlled study for this car that you're asking me to take?"

I mean, it was great. Um, and, and then when it came to raising the child too, uh, a social worker that I was, uh, working with, I mean, I was fully pregnant, I would deliver any time now. She was the head of, uh, social work department. She takes me into her office and she said, "I'll give you a million dollar advice."

And that advice was, right from day one, put your daughter in a baby in the crib. I was in first time mother, and this is what she's telling me. And everything in my fiber, I mean, everything about me, really, I didn't have the voice to express it, but I really wanted to tell her, "Take a million dollar advice and shump.

And babies too, you know, they need that. So so many of the things that I was being told by the system and what I was experiencing at home really did not match, but instinctively, intuitively, I completely did not listen to what the medical science was telling me about how I should be as a mother, when I should introduce solids, how much, how long I should breastfeed, everything.

And I simply just trusted this. But even then, I was still in residency, fellowship, didn't really explore. But my second pregnancy, I was working, I had more time. And again, very quickly, you know, like throughout my pregnancies and lactation, I wouldn't eat out at all. And I would always take my lunch. This was my second pregnancy.

That's when I decided to ask Dr. Google and I started to explore the role of diet and nutrition. Up until that time, yes, some, uh, deficiencies can cause dementia, you know, you know, all of that was there, but really for depression, for anxiety, for schizophrenia, nothing that, that was not even entertained at all.

Patrick Canavay, uh, from functional medicine.

Josh: Yeah.

Josh: um- Yeah, I met him. He's a great guy. He, he went through, he was one of my professors in IFM training, but I've met him, uh, speak post training and he's just a really, really good guy.

And he's very energetic now.

Aruna: Oh my God, he is.

Josh: Yeah. He, the science and spirituality, like I'm, he'll be on the show soon because he's one of those guys that like- Yeah. ... it, it's just in line with that, for sure.

Aruna: Yes. Yeah. So I mean, his lecture is like, like he's describing, uh, in his talk, it was an introduction to functional medicine and he presented the story of a woman in her 40s with anxiety, fibromyalgia, chronic pain and blah, blah, blah.

And he said, you know, uh, "Come to IFM." And, but then he also said, "You know, you should do IUV that this is all IUV that what we are doing. You know, we are bringing the testing and the modern science to it, but really you should explore Ayurveda." So I took him at his word and I decided to pursue both functional medicine and Ayurvedic education.

I mean, people can do it three months and be, you know, it, it's meeting the customer where they are kind of a thing. But the full program is six months where we in- include the Ayurvedic, uh, detox, which is Punchakerma as well, so-

Josh: I love it. Um, so much common threads in history, right? Um, I love that you had this personal

We all ... Everyone that gets into what I call healing now, the healing arts, and is, has a personal attachment to it. There's no doctor, school, pharmacy school that says, "You know, you're just gonna be a healer, and that's why you grew up." Like, no, like, in our culture, like you said, you grew up, there was some level of, "Well, you're gonna be a doctor."

And so there was this whole thing about, like, the meat industry and how awful it is and the clean, like ... So we, we cleaned up so fast because of that child, right? And that's, I love that story. And then that mother intuition that says, "Do it this way, but no, I, I leaned into the knowing, not the thinking mind."

And then I started learning about omega-3s and how good they were. And then the quality difference between pharmaceuticals and the supplement world, and then I started reading books about-

Aruna: Correct. ...

Josh: the integrative side. And then, so I love that merging of your life and your profession kind of going into the main space, and then asking those beautiful why questions, leading you to Patrick Hanaway, talking about functional health.

There's that framework around it. It's just so I'm, I'm laughing as you're talking because it's so fun because that is the capital T truth, right? The, the, the universal truths are everybody goes through that journey to get to this place where I love what you said, it's really three things. And so when it's body, mind and spirit or energy, it's like, well, it comes down to diet, trauma, and toxins.

And if I treat everyone with that, and then you just reverse engineer it and now it's like beautiful. Now I have a three and six month program, people are getting better, I'm doing the same things, but it's very highly personalized to their experience.

Aruna: Correct. Yeah.

Aruna: Yes. Yeah. The, the name is my husband. He's, he's the engineer, logical guy. So he was like, you know, it cannot be the old psychiatry, so it's gotta be psychiatry. And so it's, it was his creative idea. And I went ... But, you know, with Apple iPhone, you get, now we are an iPp, you know, iPhone 13 or whatever. I mean, I don't want people to think that there's going to be

I mean, the, there is always going to be new learning, you know, that always happens. It's

Josh: always evolution, right? We're also expanding our knowledge and I want to get to that because ... Well, let's talk a little bit before we go slide into the spiritual aspect and how they're the same in merging with science, because that's a real big piece for you and I in our belief systems and what I believe is true medicine.

But you say heal the body first.

Aruna: Mm-hmm.

Josh: What does that actually mean in the practice?

So we are not different from anything, you know, as above, so below, as with, and so without. Um, and this energy organizes itself into three main energies. They're called vata, which represents the air and the space element, and it governs anything that moves in the body. So it, so thoughts, we think of thoughts not as stationary, but we think of thoughts as having an in- inherent quality of motion.

So anything that you put into fire changes its form and structure and comes out as something else. So, um, so that food becomes nutrition and waste and nutrition we retain, waste we eliminate. Um, our life experiences, when they are alchemized, so the concept of alchemy also comes in here. Life experiences, when they're alchemized properly, they become wisdom, otherwise they can make us cynical and bitter.

Um, then comes kafa, which is the, it contains the elements of water and earth, so they are the more groundedness. Uh, it, it represents the principle of cohesion. So it's about bringing things together. So it gives us our skeletal system, musculoskeletal system, the lubrication that exists in our body, all of that, um, and it brings things together.

And as that is happening, there is the ... Actually, when you're doing needing it by hand, you will see that there is warmth that comes up. Even though you're using just room temperature water, it'll become a little warm, which indicates the principle of transformation. So something that is dry is now becoming like a dough.

And so, as you can see, the evidence that all these three energies eggs is not only in our body, but also, uh, in, in nature as well. And, um, I think I lost the, your question. You know, you were asking me how-

Yeah. Um, but the other part is, is like the, it's the and approach is they exist together. There's this flow of, like, fire is transformation when you really look at it from the elemental perspective, but also the energetic perspective. Cool. It takes energy to move something into something else. And I love the word transformation.

Yes. It means that you can't go back.

Aruna: Yes.

Josh: It's not change, it's transforming to something else, just like the, the caterpillar becomes the butterfly. And we're here to transform people, not just change them.

Aruna: Yes.

Josh: And so I love that you're blending this Ayurveda a- approach, and I love that, like, the functional side that you originally got into, and it hit

Aruna: Correct. Yeah. And of course, you know, uh, I, I remember your question, how does it look like, right?

So I start off with this thing and the beauty about, um, the understanding of disease and health is that these three energies, Wata Pita Kafa, we have a particular balance to them. All of us, we have our own individual amount of each of these energies that makes us who we are. It's, it's as unique as a fingerprint.

And it's not completely just derived from genetics. It actually takes into account the energy signature in the mom and the dad at the time of conception and the energy. So, you know, obviously if a mother is stressed out or if there is ... So all of that impacts the resultant constitution, which is known as Precreti in, in the, in the person that is in the human being that is formed.

So when we are addressing, when we're bringing a person out of balance to balance, we are paying attention to the whole physical body and their mental body and as well as their energy body as well. So there is no distinction. So for, but in psychiatry, unfortunately what has happened, there is a divorce between mind and body.

But in eye rather, they say, no, no, no, no. You first have to go to the gut because gutters are injured. Everything, even your brain runs because your gut is functioning. And then the immune system, the hormones, there is this interconnection and interplay and, uh, feedback loops that exist between every system.

Josh: Yeah, functional approach.

Aruna: The functional-

Josh: I wanna, I wanted to, I wanna emphasize that because you came up with a couple things that we've been, I've been talking about for a long time that's very important is- mm-hmm. ... and, and you've, you hit it right on the head because one of them is, you know, you, I just see this VIN diagram of like these three circles and everybody's, everybody's blueprint's slightly different, but they're all interconnected.

So I'm, I'm a big fan of the word and not or.

Aruna: Yeah.

It's just how you, how you observe them. Again, quantum, right? It's particle and wave. It's the same, but it's just how you observe them. So I love that you brought that up. And the other part was you, you said it very sophisticated, but I wanna em- emphasize it with people because this is, this is my definition too, is instead of looking at healthcare, or in your case, you know, mental health or psychiatry, it's not taking away something, it's restoring balance.

And you've said it many times because that's what Ayurveda does, right? That's what functional is really designed for, even though I think a lot of practitioners get lost in the, the green pill for the ill or the supplements because they don't work unless you're in balance.

Aruna: Correct.

Josh: Um, so thank you for bringing that all up as we're talking through this because those are so beautiful and critical points to our conversation.

So you have, so it's, it's, it's actually a completely empowering way of thinking about it, that your body knows everything. It's just that we are doing things to it that is counterproductive and it made symptoms to tell you, "Hey, don't do this. I don't like it, " but we ignore. We ignore ... I mean, the first time we develop acid reflux because we hate, ate ul- ultra processed junk food, you know, you take Tums and then you sleep off and you think that it's gone.

Josh: well, there's the, do you wanna go there? You wanna go to the dopamine and all the, the pro- oh, the, the, the PhDs that are studying the bliss zone for brains?

Yes. So we eat more of it and the 40 formulas for Dr. Pepper? I know. It's, it's crazy. But I love it from your perspective because you're, you're, you, you, you lightenly put that in there, but that is it, right? It's like, I was just listening to something this morning talking about this, whether it's Ayurveda or any other energetic components, it's, it's, we'll get to that place because I do wanna talk about how these intertwine because we are, we see it from a scientific perspective and from that energetic spiritual perspective because that, that was what I was hearing this morning when I was, uh, listening to something a friend sent me and it was the same thing.

It's like we either have been unaware of it or we're being sort of moved to be, be like ... The way I'm seeing it is like to like, it's almost like a shield in front of you. Like we're, we're, we're more of a, there's more working against us in the wrong ways that says, "Hey, don't look there." Like, oh, I know we all need one of these.

Aruna: Yes. Yeah.

Josh: And so thanks for, for enlightening folks on, on some of that.

Aruna: Yes. And, you know, the cultural programming, and I, you know, my conspiracy side of me tells me that it is intentional and, but it is now is the time for us to reclaim our power-

Josh: Yeah.

one

Aruna: person at a

Josh: time. Yes.

Aruna: I'll give you an example. Two weeks ago, I was with my, uh, my daughter is, uh, in volleyball, and so I was on that journey with her, went to, uh, Kansas City and, uh, I had a ti- I had really good time with all the other moms and as they didn't know what the work that I do, but as soon as, uh, you know, we were introducing ourselves and getting to know each other, then one of the moms then, you know, they started asking me different questions.

And I said, "Well, you know, I had given her this thing that you, we should not ignore the symptoms because that's a, it's a signal." Then, and then she was like, "But the coach says that creatine is what I need." And I'm like, "But what is your body telling you? " And, and then somebody else asked me something about something.

I said, "What is, I mean, can you interpret that as to what is the message my body's telling you? " And one of the moms probably got a little irritated. She was like, "Listen, listen to your body." She was a little ... But I, I just realized that that was the, you know, instead of listening to our own signals, we are looking for somebody else.

And that, that didn't happen. Like, you know, if you look at old, um, you know, in the old days, if you read literature from the, uh, 18th century, early 20th century, 19th century, you will see that when something happened, some health situation happened, I'm not talking about major ones, minor ones, within the family, people knew what to do.

If I had diarrhea, it used to be tapyoka pudding, uh, you know, uh, a porridge made with tapioca. Uh, so things like that where, you know, it was always there. And even here, like, you know, I learned about, you know, using, uh, onion for ear infections or doing thing, thing, different things like that from the naturopathic world.

I don't know fully of those kinds of things, but in, you know, for any ear infections, we'd actually, first of all, we barely had ear infections growing up. Our generation barely did because life was different then. Today's generation, they have year infections all the time, but even if there was any ear pain or anything, it would be garlic oil with homemade garlic oil.

Oh, they don't know. It's not scientific. It's not been proven.

Josh: Yeah. Well, that, that's, that's where I wanted to kind of slide into here, because you're, now you're moving into the energetics of things because- Yes. ... when you make something homemade, just like when you make a meal and you have community around you and your family's in there and you're interacting and you're eating with each other, we know that there's science to that, but the, the essence of all that is there's an energetic frequency to it.

How many pink medicines did some kid get for al- all ... And my kid always gets infections." Well, there's some imbalance that didn't get balanced, and then it goes the other way. And so, yes, I believe that our modern day worlds, yes, they've been ... We're way better off with this than we are with a telephone with a cord on it, but how far do we go with it to get us to the place where it becomes maladaptive?

And I think that's where we're, we're ... This is why I love the full circle moment is people are starting to realize that the lifestyle is better. Doctors and, and pharmacists, like we're teaching more now, like lifestyle medicine is real. Like it's something that you should do, not like it's a nice to have.

Aruna: Yeah.

Aruna: Yes. In relation to that, I actually wanted to bring up this distinction between what anything that is synthetic, including pharmaceuticals, uh, it, the way they interact versus anything that is natural that comes from nature, which includes, uh, food as medicine, herbs and supplements, uh, and minerals that we can consume.

What happens with the synthetic molecule is that it's all, it's only focused on the receptor modulation, whereas anything that is natural, it's a signaling molecule.

Josh: Yes. Understand.

Aruna: And the big difference between this is that when we're doing receptor modulation, for instance, let's say we give an antidepressant that, um, reduces, uh, serotonin reuptake in the synapses that will override the innate intelligence.

All of these things can happen. Um, but when you take Ozempic, it overrides that intelligence. It'll keep that receptor stimulated no matter whether you need food or you don't need food. Whereas when something that is natural is interacting with our receptors, it acts like a signal, still allowing our body's intelligence to decide whether, okay, I'm going to pay attention to this signal or I'm not going to pay attention to this.

Whereas when we use, like I said, high protein diet, uh, I mean, adequate amounts of, not high protein, but adequate amounts of protein and fat in our diet, plus the herbs like cumin, coriander, ginger, basal, organ, all of these herbs are signaling molecules that together when our receptors are looking at them, they're like seeing, okay, there is this much of the pressure receptors also.

But that's self-awareness, that's why eating without distraction. You, you know, you could eat ... When you're sitting with the family, that's not distraction because that is, you, we still are able to pay attention to what's going on within us and around us. But the, when we are looking at a screen, we are completely engaged in it, and so that it, it disconnects us from our own self.

Josh: And- Which is also just the same conversations we're having, right, is like, when I talk about receptor theory, like I love how you, your, your analogy, like your thought process is, for me, it's, it's using these principles, like you said, to restore balances.

We're putting in signaling molecules that are helping the body do what it's supposed to do biochemically, energetically, all of those m- modalities, because again, we both believe we, our bodies are the most sophisticated things on the planet. Mm-hmm. And so we can do that. So I always say, like, drugs are like light switches.

Aruna: Yeah. Yeah.

Josh: Um, so I'm glad that you brought that in.

And then again, the disconnection, I'm ju- all, all I'm talking about now is biorhythms. Yes. Putting everything in rhythms, whether it's testosterone or hormones or circadian rhythms or cortisol rhythms, and you talk cyclical rhythms with your cycle not atta- like being unattached to nature- mm-hmm. ... and more blue light exposure is knocking down the sy- system that's literally signaling you to be out of coherence.

Aruna: Correct. Yeah.

Josh: I love, I love that, that, that, that alignment you talk, you brought people through. Thank you.

Aruna: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, uh, in fact, I think of depression, uh, it should be renamed as disconnection syndrome, disconnection from oneself, from community and from nature.

Aruna: Not feeling good. We will not-

Josh: Sad, depressed, angry, whatever those negative, lower vibration emotions become is literally the end effect of you being disconnected, whether it's to yourself, to community, to nature, to oneness. Yeah. I love that.

Aruna: Yeah.

Josh: That's the movement right there in your, your field is like, let's just rename these things so people understand what they actually are.

Aruna: Yes. Yeah. And the fundamental, uh, root cause, I mean, this is how I l- I love Ayurveda for this. The fundamental root cause for all disease in Ayurveda, it's called, uh, prankia aparatha, which basically means mistake of the intellect. And the mistake that our intellect is making is that we are all alone, that we are nothing but a minuscule, disconnected speck in this universe that has no meaning.

We are the creator.

Josh: Well, and I, I think there's a universality to that. And I think that's what you and I are so aligned with is we, we, there's this new, I believe we're starting to use these in the same conversations now, right? Science and spirituality, because they're not separate. They're just- They're not.

And that alignment, like you said, that's the, the universality of everything that's off. If you're off, everything's off, right?

Aruna: Yeah. Yeah. And that connection, like, you know, like, you know, some people can think, "Oh, so what if our menstrual cycles are not connected with the moon cycle?" We lose that awe about being human.

Because we need them. It's full of water for our hydration. Why do fleshy foods show up more in winter? You know, the pumpkins there, they are more calorie dense. Why? Because we need more calories to keep us warm from the inside. That is the interconnection even in nature as well.

Josh: Oh, it's my, one of my favorite

Well, one of my favorite words is awe, by the way, and one of my favorite, um, adventures is to the connectedness we have with nature and it's sacred geometry and just the beauty of all of it. Like, why does a walnut look like a brain, right? Yeah. Because it's good for brain health. It's like nature knows.

Aruna: Yes.

Aruna: Yeah. And

Josh: so I, that's one of my favorite things to explore in life is just- Yeah. ... interconnection to it all.

Aruna: Yes. And, and that feeling of oneness, which of course we get with meditation or going deep in road cancer dentalness and everything, that is ... And Jodie Spencer's work tells us that we release DMT and, you know, all of those molecules when we get into that state, that is the bliss consciousness and it is accessible to every one of us.

It's not going to come from the outside, it comes from the inside.

Josh: And- And, and, and I love that, that you're ... Both of us are leaning in that direction. We're both disciples of that work as well. And it, it's ... To me, the way I keep saying it, and it ... There's some part of learning this stuff, but doing it, right?

Aruna: And surround yourself with people like you.

Josh: Yeah. Like the tribes that are around it.

Like my favorite part is like the tribal ... I study post-tribal shamanism. Like tribes are so fun because they're just a community of like- minded people that are going in the same direction as you.

Aruna: Correct. Yes.

Josh: So we all need guides. So we all need some guru in our lives that's gonna be there to support our journey, but we're the ones doing the work just like a sports analogy, right?

For the guys and the people that love sports is like the coach does not play the game.

Aruna: Mm-hmm.

Josh: The players play the game. The coach is there to guide you along and give you those, give you those bits of wisdom because he's been there before, right? We got ... There's no level to obtain in, in consciousness or in health.

Aruna: Oh, boy. Um, uh, you know, there's tons of resources online.

Um, I do have a f- uh, ebook that's actually, uh, you know, that's, that, that can be a good starting point. It's-

Josh: Cool.

Aruna: Um, I, I think I, I can share the link with you. It's

Josh: great. Yeah. We'll put it in the community's, uh, resources link. So people have that in the vault. That's amazing.

Aruna: Yeah. Uh, there are many books, uh, Love Dr.

And when I say working, after you eat, you should not feel lethargic and dead, you should still feel alive and be able to go on with your life. And sleepwake cycle, wake up before six o'clock, go to bed by 10 o'clock, try not to eat after six, maximum by 70 PM. Um, what else? I mean, and drink plenty of water.

Make sure and get in movement, get in sunlight. Work with all of these free resources. Get up and go face the sun for 15, 20 minutes first thing in the morning, then midday and at sunset. That's your free infrared light therapy.

Josh: I love it. See, these are, these ... I love the simplicity, right? Wellness made simple is something I say a lot.

So cleaning up your diet, nailing some good sleep habits and some good sleep and understanding that there's a cycle to all of that. So yeah, these are simple l- no and low cost things everyone can and should be doing. They're not nice to haves. They're just, they're needs to haves if you wanna feel healthy, right?

I mean, even going out to restaurants. I found a really good restaurant yesterday in a, in a town nearby, loved the place and it was made so well. I mean, I'm going to go there, but there are other restaurants, fast food. I know when I eat them, they don't. They make me feel bloated. The next day I feel, I do feel lethargic.

I feel more puffy, not doing that. Pay attention because only when we pay attention to our own self. So if I were to drill it down to one thing, I would say self-awareness. How are you in a given situation? How are you feeling is, is good, is the biggest indicator, um, that will tell you which way you need to go and always look for your own internal joy.

It's not selfish at all. Do things that make you feel good on the inside.

Like if you check in with yourself, because that's what alignment is to me. Whatever lights me up and gives me energy, I do. I go towards it. Correct. And it's easy, right? We're all have a human experience. It's not, not terribly easy all the time to do that, but when you have that mindset. So that's how I look at it too.

That's-

Aruna: Yeah. ...

Josh: that's-

Aruna: Yeah. And, um-

Josh: And we know there's a knowing inside of us, right? Yes. You know that was good for you, you just paid attention, right?

She asked to go to the restroom and she called her brother who took her from the back end of the res- of the restaurant apparently. She never ... And then she, she couldn't name it. She didn't know what was going on, but she listened to her intuition and that's how she escaped, uh, whatever, you know, ha- harsh, uh, future may have been in store for her.

I'm giving you a very egregious example, but even, you know, just pay attention to her.

Josh: Right? Because sometimes you have to be able to hear in order to listen, right? If you, you can't just ... There has to be some calming of that. That's why I love my morning rituals and my evening rituals is to center myself so I can, I can actually hear the voices coming up or the feelings.

Everybody has their own way of, of knowing, not thinking, but knowing. Yes. So love that how you move that.

Aruna: Yeah.

Aruna: My website is, uh, Trinergyhealth.com. So that's T-R-I-N-E-R-G-Y health.com. On social media, it's the same handle Trinergy Health, T-R-I-N-E-R-G-Y Health.

I was like, "Okay, I need to have some sort of evidence that I'm not harming

There's an innate knowledge around if someone can do it, I can do it.

Aruna: Exactly.

Josh: I've lived my life that way, but everybody can understand that. Yeah. And so when they see the stories, it's like, "Oh, that was, that is me. I can do that. "

Aruna: Correct.

Josh: So I love that. That's very positive. That's got good energy to it and it works.

Aruna: Yes, it works. Yeah. And, uh, yeah, it's very gratifying to see, and for me personally, you know, to see the transformation is, uh, incredibly, uh, rewarding for me.

Josh: Oh, I, for me, testimonials aren't for marketing. They're literally for me. Like, I love showing people, but I, I also love showing ... Like it helps me, like that's the part that lights me up is when somebody did have a transformation because of one thing they might have heard or did that allowed them to go.

Aruna: Yeah.

Josh: Great. Well, we'll post all of your, your links in the community resource. If you're not a member of our community yet, it's free to sign up. There's a $95 a year. If you want to get additional resources and we gift people supplement right off the bat to give that an even exchange, but go beyondthepills.com.

We'll get you all of those resources and we'll link you as the expert in there so they can get to you. Trinergy.com. Um, Dr.-

Aruna: Trineryhealth.com, sorry.

Josh: Trin- Trinergy.

Aruna: Health.

Josh: Trinergy. Oh, Trinergyhealth.com. Thank you. That will all be posted so people can go and find those links. Um-

Aruna: Thank you. Thank you, Josh.

Thank

Josh: you so much. I appreciate your wisdom, your light, and just the, the passion that you bring into something so critically needed in the way and manner in which you do it makes me feel so good and so appreciative. So thank you.

Josh: Well, well, that's, that's why I feel so good when I get on the, the, the air and do these episodes because it's like, I know I'm on the right path because I'm lifted up. This gave me energy and there's just so many commonalities that we can just help serve each other, you know? It's so fun for me. So-

Aruna: Yes.

Josh: thank you for what you do and how you're showing up in this beautiful world. Um, beautiful. Thank you.

Aruna: Thank you.

Josh: All right, guys, this one's a wrap. I hope you enjoyed it. Until next time, stay well. Thanks for joining me today on Beyond the Pills. If our mission to deprescribe 10 million unnecessary medications resonates with you, share this episode, subscribe, and leave a review.