Gimmicks, Ghouls & Genius: Unpacking Horrorcore Hip Hop
Episode 198 • 27th October 2025 • Queue Points • Queue Points LLC
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Sir Daniel:

Greetings and welcome to another episode of Queue Points podcast.

Jay Ray:

That surprised me.

Jay Ray:

Hey y'all.

Jay Ray:

My name is Jay Ray, sometimes known by my government as Johnnie Ray Kornegay III.

Jay Ray:

And, if you can't tell, it's spooky season and you know how we do here at

Jay Ray:

Queue Points, we got stuff to talk about.

Sir Daniel:

You couldn't tell by the my, um, my intro.

Sir Daniel:

You know, like Jay Ray said, it's spooky season, so we

Sir Daniel:

gotta scare it up a little bit.

Sir Daniel:

Now my eye, my eye, you shot me in the eye.

Sir Daniel:

Why'd you shoot me in the eye?

Sir Daniel:

I would've shot you in the body, but you shot me in the eye.

Sir Daniel:

You know, Jay Ray, when I think back on the topic of Horrorcore.

Jay Ray:

Yes.

Sir Daniel:

Because remember that that was a thing

Jay Ray:

It is a

Jay Ray:

thing.

Jay Ray:

It kind of still is, but yes, it was a thing.

Jay Ray:

And go ahead.

Sir Daniel:

I wondered, is this the most controversial subgenre of black music ever

Jay Ray:

Ooh,

Jay Ray:

that is a good question.

Jay Ray:

Um, I think, I don't think Horrorcore is the most controversial sub.

Jay Ray:

music because I, I do think that there are pieces of punk that really

Jay Ray:

do hold the mantle in terms of what, 'cause really what we're talking about

Jay Ray:

is what makes society uncomfortable.

Sir Daniel:

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray:

What I do think Horrorcore did for hip hop is, um, kind of made some

Jay Ray:

of it more interesting because of the nature of the style of music, um, where

Jay Ray:

it gave, I think artists an opportunity to kind rap beyond the confines of reality.

Jay Ray:

You know what I'm saying?

Jay Ray:

And anytime that black folks get the opportunity to do that, I champion it.

Jay Ray:

But, um, I, I have over the years found Horrorcore to be, uh, a fun curiosity.

Jay Ray:

Not a everyday listen for me, not my thing, but absolutely a fun curiosity.

Jay Ray:

And I'm

Sir Daniel:

Fun.

Sir Daniel:

Curiosity belongs on the t-shirt.

Sir Daniel:

Fun curiosity is right up there with, I wish I liked this more and

Sir Daniel:

I'm just not the demographic for this, for this Um, yeah, Horrorcore

Sir Daniel:

never, I was never attracted to it.

Sir Daniel:

I, I didn't find anything outside of the, um.

Sir Daniel:

The classic that my mind's playing tricks on me outside of that Horrorcore,

Sir Daniel:

never, never really appealed to me.

Sir Daniel:

Um, to me it just, it, it seemed very gimmicky.

Sir Daniel:

Um, I understand the desire to tell stories, and when you

Sir Daniel:

think about it Horrorcore.

Sir Daniel:

Has been around, well we couldn't even call it Horrorcore back then.

Sir Daniel:

It was storytelling.

Sir Daniel:

So you had Dana Dane with Nightmares, you had the Fat Boys.

Sir Daniel:

Um, talking about Freddy and Nightmare, will Smith had a

Sir Daniel:

nightmare on M Street record.

Sir Daniel:

You know, there's the freaks come out at night.

Sir Daniel:

I guess that's a scary record.

Sir Daniel:

We thriller by Michael Jackson, of course.

Sir Daniel:

Is is the.

Sir Daniel:

Um, the, I guess, Horrorcore pop r and b record then,

Sir Daniel:

would that be considered that?

Sir Daniel:

But it's fun.

Sir Daniel:

Horrorcore came around in the mid nineties and there was just nothing fun about it.

Sir Daniel:

There was no, nothing redeeming that it's not, we are not gonna get out on and

Sir Daniel:

bust a move to some Horrorcore records.

Sir Daniel:

The DJ was not dropping that in the middle of the dance

Jay Ray:

Yeah, so that is interesting.

Jay Ray:

You're absolutely right.

Jay Ray:

So when we look at, uh, the nature of Horrorcore and kind of,

Jay Ray:

its origins, it's interesting.

Jay Ray:

So as we were preparing for this show, I was like, okay, so I remembered.

Jay Ray:

Brotha Lynch Hung, which is really far to like the far end of Horrorcore.

Jay Ray:

We'll talk about him later.

Jay Ray:

Of course, the Geto Boys, of course, the Gravediggaz.

Jay Ray:

So we're gonna talk about like some of the, the high, the highlights, right?

Jay Ray:

But one of the things I, I discovered is it's two things.

Jay Ray:

So the term.

Jay Ray:

Horrorcore, as a word, was first used by a group called KMC in 1991.

Jay Ray:

So they had this record, it was called Three Men with the Power of 10.

Jay Ray:

And what's unique about this record?

Jay Ray:

So I went and I found the record, um, we'll make sure that we include

Jay Ray:

the link to the, the playlist in the description is the record is a hip hop

Jay Ray:

record of its time, but it does include.

Jay Ray:

Uh, spooky sounds is the best way I can describe it.

Jay Ray:

Um, and it includes, uh, exaggerated rhymes, you know what I'm saying?

Jay Ray:

Which become a, a, a hallmark of Horrorcore, where it's just like, you are

Jay Ray:

not just pew ping somebody, you're like, pew ping them and like, doing all this

Jay Ray:

other stuff in addition to the pew, pew.

Jay Ray:

You know what I mean?

Sir Daniel:

Dismemberment

Jay Ray:

Dismemberment, all types of stuff.

Jay Ray:

Um, so, but that term Horrorcore kind of showed up in that, that particular record.

Jay Ray:

But, you know, the, the true pioneers, although cool, Keith will say that

Jay Ray:

he is the originator and he's not completely wrong because of some of

Jay Ray:

the stuff he spit on, critical beat

Jay Ray:

the Geto Boys truly are.

Jay Ray:

Like true pioneers of this.

Jay Ray:

So they have, um, a song from their first record called It's disturbing.

Jay Ray:

Um, so disturbing in the sense of.

Jay Ray:

Willie Bill and Scarface always just kind of took the violence too far.

Jay Ray:

Right?

Jay Ray:

So Assassins is telling three different stories 'cause it's

Jay Ray:

three different and it's, and it, it starts off regular of course.

Jay Ray:

And then it devolves into like, wait, why are you, why

Jay Ray:

would you do that to somebody?

Jay Ray:

Because it gets ridiculous and.

Jay Ray:

I get why folks would consider this kind of like, this is really the

Jay Ray:

beginning of Horrorcore, right?

Jay Ray:

It is.

Jay Ray:

The, the, the, the, the, the scariness of it.

Jay Ray:

The grotesqueness of the descriptions that make this thing work.

Jay Ray:

Of course, leading into, in the mainstream.

Jay Ray:

We, we had my mom's playing tricks on me, which of course did the

Jay Ray:

psychological, um, horror sort of thing.

Jay Ray:

Yeah.

Jay Ray:

And, and the music video was disturbing

Sir Daniel:

Yeah.

Jay Ray:

Um, and it took place on Halloween.

Jay Ray:

So the, the Geto Boys truly are like pioneers of what Horrorcore ultimately

Jay Ray:

became because they were not afraid.

Jay Ray:

To exaggerate the violence in, uh, this kind of really farfetched but

Jay Ray:

definitely folks should go back and check out assassins because it

Jay Ray:

really does describe, Horrorcore,

Sir Daniel:

Absolutely.

Sir Daniel:

And uh, one other point I'd like to make about, um, my mind's playing

Sir Daniel:

tricks on me specifically is that I think that song in particular,

Sir Daniel:

um, made its way into the often.

Sir Daniel:

Rigid souls of hip hop's main audience at that time, which is adolescent.

Jay Ray:

Yes.

Sir Daniel:

specifically black boys, and, and this, and this is a time when

Sir Daniel:

nobody is checking on black men and black boys emotionally or checking in

Sir Daniel:

with them or trying to figure out why are they attracted to this and why are

Sir Daniel:

they, um, having such, uh, emotional outbreaks and, and just thinking

Sir Daniel:

that, oh, well this is just violent.

Sir Daniel:

They're just violent.

Sir Daniel:

By nature when, no, the actions are violent, but the act, the violent

Sir Daniel:

actions have something behind it.

Sir Daniel:

There's some hurt And so I think that the Geto Boys, and we're, and we're

Sir Daniel:

talking about it more today, that song tapped into that aspect and kind of

Sir Daniel:

gave voice, um, kind of gave language to young black men at that point

Sir Daniel:

as far as what they were feeling.

Sir Daniel:

Um, emotionally, but still unable to, to communicate it to other people.

Sir Daniel:

, Jay Ray: I love this point because I do think,

Sir Daniel:

one of the, the, the, things that Horrorcore.

Sir Daniel:

Was able to do is tap in and like IS like you, like we talked about, give

Sir Daniel:

um, an opportunity for rappers to kind of share these fanciful stories.

Sir Daniel:

'cause white folks get an opportunity to do this all the time.

Sir Daniel:

Right.

Sir Daniel:

You know what I'm saying?

Sir Daniel:

You,

Sir Daniel:

Clown Posse.

Jay Ray:

it's saying clown posse who, who.

Jay Ray:

It's crazy.

Jay Ray:

So as an aside, insane Clown Posse are kind of the most well known for

Jay Ray:

Horrorcore, but they literally took the ideas from Geto Boys three six

Jay Ray:

Mafia Brotha Lynch Hung and morphed it into this thing, and now they are kind

Jay Ray:

of the poster child for what this is.

Jay Ray:

But the origins.

Jay Ray:

Like so often is true, right?

Jay Ray:

Come from us, right?

Jay Ray:

But this type of, you know, white folks get the opportunity to to,

Jay Ray:

to kind of create these, these, these characters all the time.

Jay Ray:

If we think Alice Cooper, we think all of these things, right?

Jay Ray:

Kiss Ozzy Osborne.

Jay Ray:

Right?

Jay Ray:

And I do think that Horrorcore kind of to your point.

Jay Ray:

Help to tap into some of that.

Jay Ray:

And if you don't mind, sir Daniel, I do want to, I know we

Jay Ray:

gotta talk about the Gravediggaz.

Jay Ray:

I wanna do them last because I think they come last in this line.

Jay Ray:

'cause I wanna bring up something that's not in our, our run You know?

Jay Ray:

Who else is this?

Jay Ray:

Um, three six Mafia,

Sir Daniel:

So I I it is like you were picking up.

Sir Daniel:

So here's where I was gonna go.

Jay Ray:

Yeah.

Sir Daniel:

I think one of the aspects of Horrorcore that, um, we, people don't.

Sir Daniel:

pick up on is the love.

Sir Daniel:

That a lot of black people have for the horror

Jay Ray:

As

Sir Daniel:

genre of movies.

Sir Daniel:

Vincent Price is featured all over Thriller.

Sir Daniel:

Vincent Vincent Price ends Thriller the record because of Michael Jackson's

Sir Daniel:

love for old Vincent Price movies.

Sir Daniel:

The Twilight Zone is mentioned a lot in these movies.

Sir Daniel:

Alfred Hitchcock, we've always had an affinity for.

Sir Daniel:

Horror movies.

Sir Daniel:

And then when you had in the sixties?

Sir Daniel:

No, the seventies when blaxploitation movies were the rage.

Sir Daniel:

And then we even got our own, um, horror blaxploitation movies with

Sir Daniel:

Bula and Bride of Bula Scream Bula, you Jive Turkey Black, you love,

Sir Daniel:

you know, we got all of that stuff.

Sir Daniel:

And so those things, you know, the, the kid, the people who

Sir Daniel:

grew up to be the Gravediggaz.

Sir Daniel:

that moment, they, they would go to those movie theaters and those

Sir Daniel:

were the movies that you could see.

Sir Daniel:

You could watch two and three movies at a time and they would watch those.

Sir Daniel:

And people loved, like the PDB straw movies, um, things like that really

Sir Daniel:

resonated with, um, with black audiences.

Sir Daniel:

And those themes popped up.

Sir Daniel:

Time and time again, especially commercially again, like I said,

Sir Daniel:

with Nightmare on M Street with, um, wilt with, uh, fresh Prince of,

Sir Daniel:

fresh Prince of Bella, jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince and the Fat Boys.

Sir Daniel:

Capitalizing and being a part of those, um, those soundtracks.

Sir Daniel:

You thought about Three Six Mafia.

Sir Daniel:

I thought about bone thugs in harmony.

Jay Ray:

Absolutely.

Jay Ray:

Yes.

Sir Daniel:

That first album I, I'll never forget, this is, this is a true moment.

Sir Daniel:

I was over, um, at a friend's house and they were listening to the Bone

Sir Daniel:

Thugs and Harmony album, and they, they had it turned up so loud on

Sir Daniel:

that one song that, that murder song, I kid you not the chanting.

Sir Daniel:

Everything raised.

Sir Daniel:

There was a chill that went up my spine.

Sir Daniel:

I was like, you, I gotta

Jay Ray:

You like, I don't like these

Jay Ray:

spirit, these spirits, this?

Sir Daniel:

I don't, I rebuke all of this that is coming out of that,

Sir Daniel:

that speaker right now, because this is, this is conjuring something.

Sir Daniel:

And, um, and three six Mafia, you know, there's been a whole lot of

Sir Daniel:

folklore around three six Mafia and alleged, um, delving into the, into,

Sir Daniel:

um.

Jay Ray:

the occult

Sir Daniel:

Cul and, and, and devil worship, and saying that the, you

Sir Daniel:

know, that their success came about because of, you know, making deals

Sir Daniel:

with, you know, which is a trope that has always followed black musicians

Sir Daniel:

and, um, yeah, so Horrorcore has.

Sir Daniel:

It's not just about people trying to take, you know, take advantage of and

Sir Daniel:

make, you know, overly dramatic music, but there is a through line of black

Sir Daniel:

people celebrating the macabre and celebrating, um, scary movies and, and

Sir Daniel:

thrilling each other with the music.

Sir Daniel:

And so we, we get more, I think like the, the.

Sir Daniel:

Some of the, the music that was popular for the Har in the moment for the

Sir Daniel:

Horrorcore Horrorcore genre kind of doesn't ha, wasn't substantial because

Sir Daniel:

you had other people who were able to incorporate like the visuals and whatnot,

Sir Daniel:

but they still learned to that, okay, this is music and people are gonna have

Sir Daniel:

to get into the music part somehow.

Sir Daniel:

So I'm gonna have to make it danceable or.

Sir Daniel:

Make the beats better or we gonna, we not going to be so elaborate with the rhymes.

Sir Daniel:

We're gonna kind of dumb it down and, and make chants and things like that.

Sir Daniel:

So, you know, we going to get a yeah ho on the end of every, of every rhyme.

Sir Daniel:

Um, but we're still going to get the visuals of the, the scary in the macab.

Jay Ray:

Yeah, so it's interesting, right?

Jay Ray:

Um.

Jay Ray:

As, uh, I was preparing for to have this conversation about this topic, I

Jay Ray:

went back like music videos and stuff.

Sir Daniel:

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray:

What's interesting is I do think the era of like Giness and kind

Jay Ray:

of underground really did lend itself.

Jay Ray:

It was a easy, it was an easy way to pair it all together.

Jay Ray:

And we also culturally are in this moment, because we're talking about the, the

Jay Ray:

early to mid nineties, crack is still.

Jay Ray:

Happen.

Jay Ray:

I people are still dying from IV related complications.

Jay Ray:

There's a lot of darkness in.

Jay Ray:

Just in, in, in black culture.

Jay Ray:

Right.

Jay Ray:

And so I do think also it, it, this music kind of capitalized on, or not

Jay Ray:

capitalized, but was really kind of,

Jay Ray:

using the horror as a way to discuss the horrors of what was happening in because.

Jay Ray:

Up until this point, we have been talking about artists.

Jay Ray:

We haven't even gotten to New York yet, right?

Jay Ray:

Because, uh, uh, uh, Geto Boys are from Houston.

Jay Ray:

Um, three six Mafia from Memphis and brother Lynch, Hong, who we're about

Jay Ray:

to talk about, um, is from California.

Jay Ray:

I think Sacramento but.

Jay Ray:

So we ain't even got to New York.

Jay Ray:

So this is all happening, right?

Jay Ray:

And being kind of stirred outside of New York because there are artists

Jay Ray:

outside of the New York bubble that are kind of also creating their own thing.

Jay Ray:

Um, I wanna talk about Brotha Lynch Hung real quick.

Jay Ray:

This is not, season of the sickness is just not an easy listen.

Jay Ray:

Now, what's really cool, I will say this.

Jay Ray:

In preparing for this, I went back and I pulled the songs from Season Brotha Lynch

Jay Ray:

Hung has now gone in and basically created visuals for every song on this album.

Jay Ray:

So you now not only gets a chance to listen to the record, you get the

Jay Ray:

opportunity to just kind of see a visual.

Jay Ray:

Um, associated with it, but Brotha Lynch Hung, um, season of the sickness

Jay Ray:

comes out in 95, actually the same year.

Jay Ray:

So Horrorcore is really blowing up in 95 because, you know, of course

Jay Ray:

we got the, the, uh, three six Mafia and Brotha Lynch Hung happens.

Jay Ray:

Brother Lynch.

Jay Ray:

Hong is, Brotha Lynch Hung is doing this thing called Rip Gut is what he names it.

Jay Ray:

Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray:

Um, and it is very, it is ex, it is extreme.

Jay Ray:

Now that production is real tight.

Jay Ray:

It's real West coast, early real west coast right?

Jay Ray:

He's clearly skilled as a rapper and a storyteller,

Jay Ray:

and he's also not afraid.

Jay Ray:

To delve into topics that are extreme and obscene.

Jay Ray:

Um, and he has a whole audience that absolutely loves what he does,

Jay Ray:

so he's still able to work today and do all the things that he does.

Jay Ray:

And this particular record season of the sickness, if, if you're, look,

Jay Ray:

if you're, in my mind, if I'm looking for two records that kind of explain.

Jay Ray:

That really codify Horrorcore.

Jay Ray:

It's gonna be the three six record.

Jay Ray:

Was it Mystic Music, I think is the debut and, um, season of the Sickness by

Jay Ray:

Brotha Lynch Hung, which wow, to listen.

Jay Ray:

I couldn't even get through some of this, so, so I'm like,

Jay Ray:

yeah, see, uh, uh, I'm good.

Sir Daniel:

I am gonna be honest until you mention him.

Sir Daniel:

I, I don't recall.

Sir Daniel:

I don't remember this brother.

Jay Ray:

He was too extreme, like he couldn't play, you couldn't play the

Jay Ray:

stuff on any type of platform because it was just that bleeding edge.

Jay Ray:

It's like right at the edge of what you can do.

Sir Daniel:

Well, here's the thing about being this niche of an artist is

Sir Daniel:

that although you're not, you are not made for mainstream and the mainstream

Sir Daniel:

isn't really picking up on this.

Sir Daniel:

You can develop an occult following.

Sir Daniel:

And what we've seen with um, people like Brotha Lynch Hung is that

Sir Daniel:

although the mainstreaming you may not be making mainstream money,

Sir Daniel:

there are definitely venues available to people that are into this.

Sir Daniel:

I mean, and there are people that are really into, um, this brand.

Sir Daniel:

Of hip hop and are keeping it alive, like you said, in Insane Clown Posse is to this

Sir Daniel:

day, is still touring and, and nowadays you, everything is about packaging

Jay Ray:

Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel:

and putting things in packages.

Sir Daniel:

So there is a way to continue making money, um, off of this particular genre.

Sir Daniel:

Or, um, leaf from the hip hop tree from the hip hop branch.

Sir Daniel:

I, now, what I will say is that although there is not Horrorcore isn't practiced

Sir Daniel:

blatantly like it is, but I will say some of the music that we have today that,

Sir Daniel:

that the music that came out in the 2010s.

Sir Daniel:

It may not have been labeled Horrorcore, but it was horrifying There was a, they,

Sir Daniel:

you know, I always talk about vibrations and, and things that made me feel uneasy.

Sir Daniel:

Music that made me feel uneasy.

Sir Daniel:

Some of that music's for sure made me feel uneasy, especially when we get to

Sir Daniel:

2015 when we, we get to see, um, the movement from Chicago, uh, especially

Sir Daniel:

with, um, what's that young man?

Sir Daniel:

Um.

Jay Ray:

who?

Jay Ray:

Pa who?

Jay Ray:

Who got shot?

Sir Daniel:

No, not that one.

Sir Daniel:

The one that's still alive.

Jay Ray:

that's still, oh, you're talking about Chief Keef?

Sir Daniel:

chief Keef there is, to me it's all about energy and the energy that

Sir Daniel:

and there is a darkness that his movement.

Sir Daniel:

Kind of, kind of took over, um, young people, and that's why we have the,

Sir Daniel:

that's why we use the terminology why ends now because they've taken on this

Sir Daniel:

posture and this appearance of boogiemen.

Sir Daniel:

People to be afraid And so, and you know, they're posturing.

Sir Daniel:

They all look the same.

Sir Daniel:

They, you know, the dressed in black wearing hoodies in the summertime, the,

Sir Daniel:

the, the ties of, of it all with the masks and, you know, you don't know.

Sir Daniel:

Whether or not they're coming to do you harm, they have taken on

Sir Daniel:

this posture of the boogeyman.

Sir Daniel:

And so I think what we're seeing now is a kind of, um, a revolution or

Sir Daniel:

evolution of Horrorcore into this.

Sir Daniel:

Um.

Sir Daniel:

Into what we refer to as trap music or you know, yin music or, you

Sir Daniel:

know, that's what it's evolved into.

Sir Daniel:

So it's not where I think there was an entertainment aspect of, at first, I think

Sir Daniel:

has now creeped into the subconscious and the actions and the, the vibrations that a

Sir Daniel:

lot of these young people are living and.

Sir Daniel:

Living their, living their lives and, and living through that.

Sir Daniel:

And they, and you could see in the lack of, um, reverence for life,

Jay Ray:

Yeah.

Sir Daniel:

you know, not for nothing.

Sir Daniel:

The way some, some of these young people are able to just shoot and kill other.

Sir Daniel:

Is that a rutabaga?

Jay Ray:

was a rutabaga.

Jay Ray:

Hold on.

Jay Ray:

Recording.

Jay Ray:

Thank you.

Jay Ray:

Okay.

Jay Ray:

Uh, we're back.

Sir Daniel:

Rutabaga.

Sir Daniel:

But, um, the way that they're able to disrespect each other's

Sir Daniel:

life and, you know, the whole.

Sir Daniel:

Um, everybody is your OP, or I've got ops and I'm smoking on my ops.

Sir Daniel:

You like, you'll take their ashes and you roll 'em up and you'll smoke.

Sir Daniel:

All that stuff is, I think, is, um, a direct descendant of Horrorcore

Sir Daniel:

and which I don't feel has a value has a, a nurturing value to our

Jay Ray:

You know, it is interesting that you mention that because the other

Jay Ray:

group wanna talk about, we finally have made it to New York, y'all.

Jay Ray:

So, um, grave digs, um, so this is a super group, essentially,

Jay Ray:

so it's Prince Paul Rizza.

Jay Ray:

Qua.

Jay Ray:

Who was the other brother?

Jay Ray:

Two Poetic is the other brother.

Jay Ray:

So it's four of them.

Jay Ray:

Uh, Gravediggaz comes out.

Jay Ray:

Um, I think this is 94 and six feet deep is the album.

Jay Ray:

You know what I mean?

Jay Ray:

But now here's what's interesting, and I didn't know this until,

Jay Ray:

uh, preparing for this show.

Jay Ray:

So Qua was saying like.

Jay Ray:

Oh yeah, we did use the Horrorcore kind of.

Jay Ray:

He didn't say this part, they used the Horrorcore kind of idea,

Jay Ray:

but grave digs, uh, hold on.

Jay Ray:

I got the quote.

Jay Ray:

Grave digs.

Jay Ray:

It means.

Jay Ray:

This is so New York.

Jay Ray:

It means digging graves of the mentally dead, resurrecting the

Jay Ray:

mental, the mentally dead from their state of unawareness and ignorance.

Jay Ray:

So what I love about what you just described though, I know, I know, I know.

Jay Ray:

It's

Sir Daniel:

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm pat in the back of my head because my eyes,

Sir Daniel:

I rolled my eyes so hard at that.

Sir Daniel:

But

Sir Daniel:

go ahead.

Jay Ray:

But, but in

Sir Daniel:

is Fruit Quon from Onic, by the way you all think about that.

Jay Ray:

What, what that, the contrast to what you described, right?

Jay Ray:

That darkness that does is in the, the kind of the, the, the, DNA of

Jay Ray:

this, this music that we were talking about in the, you know, 2010s.

Jay Ray:

Um.

Jay Ray:

Is the opposite of what grave Digs was trying to do.

Jay Ray:

So when I went back and I, uh, I kind of listened to the record

Jay Ray:

kind of from the vantage point of.

Jay Ray:

I didn't know this at the time, and now I'm like, oh, I

Jay Ray:

see how they were doing that.

Jay Ray:

They were kind of using this horror thing to have all of these other deep

Jay Ray:

conversations lyrically about culture, about blackness, about all of this.

Jay Ray:

It's just wrapped in this scary exterior, scary

Sir Daniel:

and everybody had fangs.

Jay Ray:

Everybody had fangs and um, I still think the, the grill fangs are dope.

Jay Ray:

So y'all kids out here thinking you doing something new with the grill fangs?

Jay Ray:

This was already happening 32 years ago.

Sir Daniel:

right?

Sir Daniel:

That was a Wu-Tang thing from a long time ago.

Sir Daniel:

So, yeah, I don't know.

Sir Daniel:

Great conversation as you know, as we into, as into spooky

Sir Daniel:

season, and you know, sp.

Jay Ray:

Yeah, y'all.

Jay Ray:

So go back and check out some of these records if you can see

Jay Ray:

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horror movies, which is a super fun show.

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And it's like I always say in this life, you have a choice.

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You can either pick up the needle

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This is I am DJ Aniel,

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My name is Jay Ray, y'all.

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and this is Queue Points podcast, dropping the

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