Shownotes
The great debate: Do female athletes need Victoria's Secret and MrBeast — or do they need female athletes?
But first, what happened in women’s sports this week:
- A wild triathlon world championship in Wollongong — even if Sara didn't totally understand at first why it was so wild.
- Watch the winning Red Bull Rampage run from Robin Goomes: https://www.tiktok.com/@redbullusa/video/7562279735808773398
- Life Time Grand Prix is locked up and Track Cycling Worlds is starting
- Plus, the new world record at the 24-Hour World Champs and the confusion leading into the race
Then we talk about the ongoing question female celebrities, and especially female athletes face: How much spectacle do they want to embrace? What spectacle is good spectacle? (We are pro spectacle here! But anti bad spectacle!)
World champ Melissa Jefferson-Wooden races 100 random men — and, yes, beats them — for $100K. WNBA star Angel Reese becomes the first athlete to walk the (revamped) Victoria's Secret fashion show. And Athlos shows us how hard it is for an average person to do what the Olympians do.
One of these things felt different than the others...
And, of course, there's the Feisty Picks of the Week!
Timestamps:
- 00:13 - The Intersection of Sports and Fashion
- 00:23 - Understanding the World Triathlon Championships
- 13:31 - Red Bull Rampage & Women's Freeriding
- 33:53 - The Return of the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show
- 48:36 - Picks of the Week!
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Transcripts
Welcome to the Feist.
Speaker B:Everything you want to know about your favorite women's sports in one feisty hour.
Speaker A:With your feistiest friends.
Speaker B:I'm Kelly o' Meara and Sarah Gross.
Speaker B:And today we're going to talk about whether female athletes need stunts and fashion shows, or if fashion shows and stunts need them.
Speaker B:See, like, who needs that?
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, good point.
Speaker B:But first, Sarah, obviously this isn't a triathlon podcast, but we have to talk about triathlon because.
Speaker A:Because, well, there was the World Triathlon World Championships.
Speaker A:This or the final, we'll talk about it.
Speaker A:But the final, which actually crowns the world champions.
Speaker B:My husband was even like, what distance is that?
Speaker B:Okay, so it's the Olympic distance.
Speaker B:It's what they race in the Olympics.
Speaker B:It's like the non Olympic years, they have world champions.
Speaker B:And in World triathlon, the world champion is whoever wins the whole series.
Speaker B:Like, they other sport, like mountain bike, which we talked about recently, has a world champion and then a series winner, but in triathlon, the world champion is the series winner.
Speaker A:Is the series winner.
Speaker A:I don't know if that causes more confusion or not, or whether it makes the race more interesting or not.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think it causes confusion.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Making triathlon even harder to watch.
Speaker B:One of our podcast hosts, who is a former World Triathlon world champion, had to explain this to me, and I was like, oh, oh, people don't know that.
Speaker B:So they had the grand final, which is the final race of the series, which then crowns the world champion.
Speaker B:But if you win the grand final, you're not technically the world champion unless you won the whole series.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So in some ways.
Speaker A:Okay, because.
Speaker A:And we're gonna talk about how this race went, but it can create an interesting dynamic.
Speaker A:It's like.
Speaker A:It would be like watching a CrossFit competition to me, which is, again, not.
Speaker A:Maybe not the best example, but, like, where there's, like, points and things happening and different people win different events.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And then in order to win overall, you end up with situations where someone has to.
Speaker A:Like, someone has to win the event or come top three in the event, and then someone else has to finish below ninth place and someone else has to, you know, like.
Speaker A:So you end up with this reshuffling.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker A:So if you are a follower of the sport, it can be kind of an interesting dynamic that, like, shuffles out onto an interesting podium at the end.
Speaker B:But then I sent you a clip.
Speaker B:Oh, man, it was wild.
Speaker B:And you looked at the clip and you were like, I don't understand.
Speaker A:Because on the surface, what happened was There was a woman who was flipping fourth in the world going into the finals and she won them, which just.
Speaker B:Feels like not that exciting.
Speaker A:She had a really good race and it was great.
Speaker B:All right, here's why it was crazy.
Speaker B:You ready?
Speaker B:All right, so Beth Potter and Cassandra Beau Grant are the last two world champions last year.
Speaker B:So they were tied for first going into the final.
Speaker B:In order for one of them to not win, like it was going to be one or the other, they had to both basically do terrible and somebody else had to do amazing because they were so far ahead and they were tied, literally.
Speaker B:I didn't even bother to do the math because I was like, sure, whatever.
Speaker A:Like one of them.
Speaker A:They're not going to both crash and burn.
Speaker A:Like somebody's gonna come through.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then what happened was like everybody was going for it.
Speaker B:And first Cassandra like just stops on the run and DNFs ultimately, I guess must have been hot, who knows.
Speaker B:And then Beth Potter, who is a former running Olympian, like she is the best runner in triathlon in the world, probably gets dropped on the run, like they outrun her and that's crazy.
Speaker A:So that clip that you sent me, which I was so happy to see Belinda Granger, who used to race with me in Ironman, and such a good commentator out, like commentating, being like, what is happening when they're dropping Beth Potter, who is, yeah, like you said, like by far the best runner, known to be the best runner in the field.
Speaker A:And the entire pack is just dropping her, like where did she go?
Speaker B:So I mean, obviously people can all run fast, but you know what I'm saying, it's still a lot.
Speaker B:And so, yeah, so Lisa Tursh wildly ranked fourth in the world.
Speaker B:I know it sounds not that big a deal, but she came out of nowhere near to win the world title out of nowhere.
Speaker A:And years and years of hard work to, to win the world title.
Speaker B:But the other thing about this like World Championship week is that they also have U23 championships, Junior World champions, they have the age group amateur world championships, they have mixed relays and then they have the para world championships, which is just a.
Speaker B:All these are just a world championship race, not a series.
Speaker B:So that's like all happening over the whole week.
Speaker B:So it's like, it's a lot.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it was happening in Australia, which is a, for those who don't know, is a triathlon mad country.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like it's one of these countries that really gets behind the triathlon, like having this kind of multi day festival There is a perfect location.
Speaker A:I can imagine all the fans were out.
Speaker A:It was probably very exciting.
Speaker B:Well, so the man who won was Australian.
Speaker B:I think they went nuts for that.
Speaker B:And then one of the woman who won the wheelchair race, Lauren Parker, who's won the Paralympics, this was her fifth world title, and she's Australian.
Speaker B:Um, and so I think they all went crazy for that too.
Speaker B:Uh, so she's like a pretty big celebrity there.
Speaker B:Uh, so the pair races were pretty exciting.
Speaker B:Cause, yeah, she won the wheelchair race.
Speaker B:Um, Grace Norman, who's American, won her six world title in the.
Speaker B:There's different in the PS5, which is like below leg amputee type things.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:And Grace is awesome.
Speaker B:She won the Paralympics last year, too.
Speaker B:She also was the first, like, para athlete to compete in, like, the regular, like, I don't.
Speaker B:Regular is not the right word.
Speaker B:But the non para college championships, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker B:That's usually cool.
Speaker B:And then the other big winner in the pair races was Susanna Rodriguez from Spain, won the visually impaired.
Speaker B:She won her seventh world title.
Speaker B:And she.
Speaker B:Okay, so if you know her, it's because she was on the COVID of Time magazine for being a doctor during the pandemic.
Speaker B:At the same time she was training for the Tokyo Paralympics.
Speaker A:Oh, wow.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:She's crazy.
Speaker B:They made.
Speaker B:I think Barbie made, like a special Barbie for her.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, I love this so much.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Kelly did.
Speaker A:Have you ever watched a para triathlon race?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:How fast they go on those tandems?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, it's.
Speaker A:People can't quite understand.
Speaker A:I think one time I was.
Speaker A:I was actually covering one of our Canadian Olympians and I was, like, doing a story about her, and I went out in my car.
Speaker A:This is like early days of feisty.
Speaker A:I went out in my car with my GoPro trying to take.
Speaker A:And Ellen Pennock, who used to work with us, was a guide.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:For one of the athletes.
Speaker A:And so she told us where they were training.
Speaker A:I was going out to get some footage.
Speaker A:I like.
Speaker B:I was like.
Speaker A:It was impossible for me to almost keep up in the car.
Speaker A:Like, they were moving, they were hauling.
Speaker A:It's for me to imagine, or it's hard for me to imagine even doing that because it's so scary to be on the back of a bike that's moving that quickly.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I've had some friend.
Speaker B:I've had some friends guide, and they said it's absolutely terrifying because I think the visually impaired athletes have, like, learned to exist in a world where they can't.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:See everything.
Speaker B:But for the guide.
Speaker B:Sometimes they're like, what the fuck?
Speaker B:What is happening?
Speaker B:Yeah, exactly like you said, it's so fast now that a lot of times they have to get like.
Speaker B:Getting a fast enough guide is a challenge.
Speaker B:So Susanna's guide was Sarah Prasala, who is a pro athlete who has moved into.
Speaker B:You're not allowed to be racing on the world triathlon circuit, but you can be racing kind of draft legal or non drafting.
Speaker B:So you can't non drafting long course, like Ironman type stuff.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Um, so that was her guide and then Sarah Prisala did that in the morning, was her guide, and then in the Evening raced the 100 kilometer non drafting pro race.
Speaker A:Oh, wow.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So okay.
Speaker B:Is quite the day.
Speaker A:That's okay.
Speaker A:That's so interesting.
Speaker A:Is there a way that they manage, like if one of.
Speaker A:If.
Speaker A:So if someone's guide is a better athlete, like, is if someone's guide can push like, you know, 300 watts or whatever on the bike.
Speaker A:Like, how do you manage the fact that the.
Speaker A:The actual biking ability of the guide could be a factor in the race?
Speaker A:Do you know how they manage that?
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:I have no idea.
Speaker B:I don't like, because there's a lot of rules around.
Speaker B:Like you can't be running in front of them or swimming in front.
Speaker B:Like, you have to be side by side.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I believe their tandem bikes are designed to.
Speaker B:To work that way so that each person has to be pedaling.
Speaker A:Pedaling.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But yeah, I mean, there's obviously a reason that people are looking for.
Speaker A:For good guides.
Speaker B:Good guides.
Speaker A:Yeah, good strong guides.
Speaker B:Good strong guides.
Speaker B:So it was kind of crazy.
Speaker B:It was just big.
Speaker B:It was a big weekend for triathlon.
Speaker B:They also have like a massive meeting when they have these big.
Speaker B:And they like decide all this stuff for next year.
Speaker B:And a friend of mine said he watched all like nine hours of the Congress.
Speaker B:I can.
Speaker A:I'm kind of guessing who that friend is right now.
Speaker A:That is a commitment.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker B:So it's a big week for triathlon.
Speaker B:If you really, really want to get in the weeds.
Speaker B:You do not.
Speaker B:But it was.
Speaker A:Just avoid it.
Speaker B:Just avoid it.
Speaker B:But yeah, good for Lisa Tersch because I think everybody had sort of written her off.
Speaker B:Not written her off.
Speaker B:I mean, she was fourth.
Speaker B:Like your point.
Speaker B:But we'd all been like, oh, they're tied for first.
Speaker B:And maybe the girl who's in third, who's like close behind and had a really good year, could.
Speaker B:I think nobody really looked past that, so.
Speaker B:So good for her.
Speaker A:Good for her.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:And Kelly, we Have.
Speaker A:We do have some.
Speaker A:Quite a bit of cycling this week, but I did.
Speaker A:I watched part of the Red Bull Rampage.
Speaker A:Like, I actually watched the.
Speaker A:Because, honestly, the live broadcast takes three hours.
Speaker A:That's a lot of Wednesday.
Speaker A:So I watched some of the runs that had been edited together on YouTube.
Speaker B:Well, the runs are, like, a minute and a half, so it's kind of like you have to do a lot of, like, waiting in between.
Speaker A:Yeah, that was what I didn't want to do.
Speaker A:I had things to do, but it was.
Speaker A:It was like.
Speaker A:It's the first time I've actually watched it, and I watched it on YouTube, so if anyone wants to find it, just, you know, I just searched it, but, oh, my goodness.
Speaker B:Like, oh, yeah, no, we're gonna include a link to the winning run in the show notes, because I feel like that's.
Speaker B:The takeaway is go and watch it is crazy.
Speaker A:And I know we talked about this last week, but now that I've actually gone and watched it, and they're like.
Speaker A:They're like riding off a cliff, you know, like, just riding along off a cliff and then off a cliff with a.
Speaker A:With a, like, full.
Speaker A:What do you call it?
Speaker A:Back flip.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Wild.
Speaker B:Robin Gomes won again.
Speaker B:She won last year in the inaugural one.
Speaker B:It was a lot closer this year, and I will say I watched a bunch of the runs last year, and I watched the runs this year, and they have gotten a lot like the.
Speaker B:So one of the big things has been the women's free riding was slow to improve over the years, largely, I think, because they didn't have places to.
Speaker A:Practice, the opportunity to ride.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And they didn't have, like, places to develop those skills.
Speaker B:There used to be, like, a women's only kind of competition that was more about, like, skill development, but it went away.
Speaker B:And you can see even from last year, this year, how much it's, like, improved.
Speaker B:Not that I could do.
Speaker B:I crashed my mountain bike last week, like, because it rained.
Speaker B:And I forgot that after the rain, it gets really bad.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And so I was thinking about my recent mountain biking experience where my, like, my bestie's sister was like, we were just gonna go for a little lake swim.
Speaker A:I'm sure I told this story already.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And she was like, let's take the mountain bikes.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:We'll just go down this trail.
Speaker A:It's easier.
Speaker A:And next thing you know, like, Karen and I are off of our bikes, walking, and she's like, what are you guys doing?
Speaker A:It's not faster.
Speaker A:I can't Even imagine I'm just not a natural.
Speaker A:It's hard to imagine, like, just the way that they.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:It's so impressive.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker B:I mean, I don't think they start with the jumping off the cliff.
Speaker A:They don't just ride off a cliff, get up one day and ride off a cliff.
Speaker B:They, you know, develop it over time.
Speaker A:It is one of those sports where you, like, if you've ever, like, I have had the experience of getting a little bit of air on your bike.
Speaker A:Like, you're riding.
Speaker A:You're on a safe.
Speaker A:You're in my case, on a safe thing.
Speaker A:And you think if you have both the wheels off the ground, you think, I'm flying.
Speaker A:And then you see the video later, and you're like, you were an inch above the ground for like, a half of a second, you know, amazing.
Speaker A:And you think, I'm flying.
Speaker A:I'm amazing.
Speaker B:The way it works for people who don't know is they do spend, like, a week building and practicing their lines.
Speaker B:So they develop all of the.
Speaker B:I don't know, what's the word I'm looking for features that they want to ride and jump.
Speaker B:So you, like, build your own line all week.
Speaker B:You practice it.
Speaker B:You're out there with, like, shuffle, like, so you have a whole team with you.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And then because of wind, it got delayed a day.
Speaker B:So they were.
Speaker B:So it's just a very long nine days, I guess.
Speaker A:And I was asking you before we started recording, like, how they judge.
Speaker A:Like, having now gone and watched these runs, like, how do they judge the runs?
Speaker A:Like, is it on time?
Speaker A:Is.
Speaker B:It's not.
Speaker B:Yeah, so it's not on time.
Speaker B:It's like.
Speaker B:It's just a judged run on the skills and the tricks and all that.
Speaker B:So there's, like, four criteria they look at, which.
Speaker B:Some of it, to me is like a little.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like, one is line choice and difficulty.
Speaker B:Two is air time, three is tricks and style.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And four is, like, fluidity and control.
Speaker B:And you're like.
Speaker B:Those all just sound like how good you wrote it.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:You're like, okay, great.
Speaker A:But sure.
Speaker A:No, that makes sense.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because you have to break down because you can't just do how good you wrote it.
Speaker A:Nine out of ten.
Speaker B:Nine out of ten.
Speaker B:Done.
Speaker B:You also get two runs, so.
Speaker B:So she actually only won.
Speaker B:Robin only won by a little bit.
Speaker B:It was very close.
Speaker B:And then, is it.
Speaker A:Is it the.
Speaker A:Do your scores get combined, or is it your best run?
Speaker B:I believe it's an average I would have to double check that, but I believe it's an average.
Speaker B:So it was definitely.
Speaker B:I mean, I think we can see that they deserved their own event.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:So I think for a long time.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:The women should have had their own event forever.
Speaker A:And, you know, we're gonna watch our skills develop over the next few years, so that's exciting.
Speaker A:The other thing is, on the YouTube that I watched, they had.
Speaker A:They had mic'd Robin Goom.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:And I was excited.
Speaker A:So they said they had miked her at the beginning.
Speaker A:And so I think in my brain, I thought, oh, now I'm going to hear her, like, breathing and going wee or something as she's.
Speaker A:As she's flipping off of, like, crevices and stuff.
Speaker A:But, like, actually she was silent most of the time, and I forgot that the.
Speaker A:The mic was on.
Speaker A:And then right as she's coming to the finish line, near the end of the run, you just start hearing this shrill screaming.
Speaker A:And I was kind of sitting on my couch, like, what is that?
Speaker A:And I realized it was just her.
Speaker A:Like, as she's coming into the finish.
Speaker B:Shoot, you could hear her saying things to herself, like, a little bit.
Speaker B:She'd be like, oh, like, stay.
Speaker B:Like, stay at it, Stay at it.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Or, like, control.
Speaker B:Maybe you just.
Speaker B:Yeah, you could.
Speaker B:You could.
Speaker B:It wasn't clear that that was her and not somebody, but that's what you could hear is her being like, come on, come on, come on.
Speaker B:Or like, you know, like, little and then focus.
Speaker B:Which is funny because I was thinking about, like, I don't.
Speaker B:Maybe that's my problem.
Speaker B:Maybe I should talk to myself when I mountain bike.
Speaker A:Do you must have some internal dialogue.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:But I don't, like, say it out loud.
Speaker B:So that's why I was like, oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Then, yeah, Just learning to, like, figure out your.
Speaker A:Yeah, I. I definitely am very aware of my internal dialogue, like, in CrossFit, when I'm like, no, you've got this.
Speaker B:Oh, you've got this.
Speaker A:You can do it.
Speaker A:Only three more minutes.
Speaker B:After I crashed my mountain bike almost to the trailhead, I.
Speaker B:Then I was like, I'm just gonna walk it the last hundred yards to the.
Speaker B:And it was right by people's houses there, and I was pretty sure they could all see me out their back window.
Speaker B:And I was like, this is great.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:One time we used to have this mountain biking group when I was in Scotland.
Speaker A:This is, like, 20 years ago.
Speaker A:And I was always, like, the last one on the descent to come I was fine on the up, as you can imagine, and then, like, on the descent to come down, and my friends would always have to wait for me.
Speaker A:And one day on the very last, like, as we were exiting the trail, when I kind of like, you know, you kind of get that feeling of, we're back to the parking lot.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:You know, you kind of let go a little bit.
Speaker A:I let go too much, and I went headfirst into a tree.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:The last tree before the parking lot.
Speaker A:Like, it was.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:People were loading their bikes into the.
Speaker A:Their cars, and it's just me screaming over my handlebars into a tree.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I feel mountain bike.
Speaker B:Mountain biking is great, guys.
Speaker A:This is amazing.
Speaker A:Highly recommend.
Speaker B:Super fun.
Speaker B:Yeah, that actually happened to me once on when I was gravel riding.
Speaker B:And that was the other big racing this weekend was the gravel racing, which I still.
Speaker B:I know somebody asked us when you spend a long time talking about this before, the difference between mountain biking and gravel, still a little.
Speaker B:A little fuzzy.
Speaker B:But lifetime Grand Prix, which is like the series of largely gravel races, though they've had a mountain bike race in there, wrapped up Sophia Vilafane.
Speaker B:Gomez locked down the.
Speaker B:The win.
Speaker B:And I think this is her third lifetime Grand Prix.
Speaker B:Sorry, Gomez, Villafane.
Speaker B:I said that backwards.
Speaker B:It's her third title.
Speaker B:But, Sarah, they had to shorten it.
Speaker B:They had to shorten the hundred mile to fifty miles because there's, like, this huge storm blowing in.
Speaker A:Oh, wow.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I feel like gravel riders are pretty hardy.
Speaker A:They don't often short.
Speaker A:They don't shorten things for a little rainfall.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:Let's just say that.
Speaker B:Yeah, they're like, oh, it's a fire.
Speaker B:That's fine.
Speaker A:You just ride through it.
Speaker B:Just ride through it.
Speaker B:But Sophia had it pretty much locked up.
Speaker B:Like, this is the last race in the series, and she had it pretty much locked up going in.
Speaker B:And so, I mean, she just had to kind of complete it.
Speaker B:And I think it was sort of like, oh, maybe she's gonna take it easy.
Speaker B:And she did not.
Speaker A:She did not.
Speaker A:She didn't.
Speaker A:What competitor goes out there and goes, well, it's fine.
Speaker A:Let's fall.
Speaker B:Many competitors, like, well, so.
Speaker B:So that was this weekend.
Speaker B:And then track cycling World champs are also starting in Chile right now, which I guess we can talk about some more next week.
Speaker B:But the para cycling world champ Track world champs just finished because they did the para and then the non para.
Speaker B:And I was, like, looking at it, and I.
Speaker B:There's this crazy story with this woman, Claudia Credit who is an Italian cyclist.
Speaker B:She used to race for.
Speaker B:Oof.
Speaker B:I want to lose the team.
Speaker B: had a bad crash back in like: Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I was like, that's kind of cool.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's.
Speaker A:There's.
Speaker A:That's a different skill set.
Speaker B:Track cycling.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And like, I think like, I think she had some like brain damage.
Speaker B:And so it was just kind of like relearning a lot of things is what was really challenging.
Speaker B:So yeah, I was like, good for her.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's all right.
Speaker B:To not be all about cycling, Sarah.
Speaker A:Let's talk about Northern Super League.
Speaker B:Northern Super League.
Speaker A:Northern Super League are the first year of our Canadian pro women's soccer league.
Speaker A:We had six teams out there and they've just finished their regular season games.
Speaker A:So now the.
Speaker A:I guess they crowned a champion of the regular season.
Speaker A:Regular season.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The NWSL does that too.
Speaker B:They call it like the Shield cup or.
Speaker B:Okay, yeah, I think, I think NSL calls it like the Supporters cup or something like that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So that went to the Toronto team.
Speaker A:And then I'm like fact checking myself.
Speaker B:No, no, I saw that they call it like the Supporter Shield or some name like that.
Speaker B:Anyway, and then.
Speaker A:And so now the top four teams.
Speaker A:I guess it was close for a little while between Calgary and Vancouver for the final of the four teams.
Speaker A:But Vancouver Rise got through.
Speaker A:So now we have Montreal Roses, Toronto, whose name I'm forgetting right now.
Speaker A:And then Vancouver and Ottawa who are in the final.
Speaker A:And so the playoffs start on November 1st and.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, it's exciting.
Speaker B:NWSL playoffs start like a week or two after that and I think most of the spots are locked down, but there's still like one or two left to just sort out.
Speaker B:So are you gonna go to the play playoff games?
Speaker A:They're in Toronto, so probably not.
Speaker B:Oh, I thought they were because you.
Speaker B:I know you've gone to some of the Calgary games, so.
Speaker A:Yeah, so let me see.
Speaker A:I had gone to.
Speaker A:Yeah, but it's because they.
Speaker A:Maybe if there's one in Vancouver, I will update you.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:After you find out where the games are, you'll let me know.
Speaker B:Okay, great.
Speaker B:Fantastic.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So those are rapping.
Speaker B:I was like.
Speaker B:Because I was putting together today kind of schedule for the end of the year and there's like a lot of seasons that are wrapping up now.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like obviously we just had WNBA playoffs and then you have nwsl Northern Super League.
Speaker B:There's a lot of world championships, obviously, as we've been talking about, because we had the cycling, we have the track cycling, we had all variations of triathlon.
Speaker B:Well, I guess there's one more variation.
Speaker B:It's in two weeks.
Speaker B:We had the running also.
Speaker B:It's like.
Speaker B:And then we're going to shift into the winter sports.
Speaker B:So that is like the PWHL season starts.
Speaker B:Figure skating, World cup start.
Speaker B:Speed skating is this upcoming weekend.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like, you know, we're shifting, we're shifting.
Speaker B:We're.
Speaker A:We're in the shift because the other.
Speaker B:Big one happening right now is the cricket World cup, obviously.
Speaker B:Uh, I think we're gonna talk more about that next week because it is.
Speaker B:They are not yet in elimination rounds because they still do like a pool play with ever all the eight teams.
Speaker B:So semifinals are next week, like the 30th and 31st, something like that.
Speaker B:And then the finals are November 2nd or 1st.
Speaker A:So cool for that big 13.8 million.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I mean, it's one of these things, like I have watched cricket.
Speaker B:It's really, really big in the rest of the world and not so big in America.
Speaker A:We need to find someone to come in.
Speaker B:Yeah, we're going to find a cricket expert.
Speaker A:Cricket education.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:Have you ever played cricket?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:I was like, I don't know, I'm trying to think if there's even a. I mean, I'm sure there's.
Speaker B:There.
Speaker B:I'm sure there's somewhere to play cricket around here and I just don't know where it is.
Speaker A:Hi.
Speaker A:I haven't played an actual game of cricket, but when I, having lived in the UK for so long, it's kind of played like pick up cricket, if you will.
Speaker B:Pick up cricket?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Don't games last?
Speaker B:Like, like this is the thing.
Speaker B:Don't they last?
Speaker A:Like, not like formal pickup, just like somebody brings a bat to a park and we start and we divide into teams of whoever's there.
Speaker A:And then I sort of learned how to like hold it and how to like protect the wicket and run when you run.
Speaker A:And I found it wildly frustrating because when, you know, when you learn something as an adult and you haven't learned the hand eye coordination for it as a child.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:You're like generally kind of crappy at it.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So afterwards look at you.
Speaker A:You're like looking at me like some.
Speaker B:People are like, well, Sarah, sorry.
Speaker A:We need to have a cricket duel.
Speaker A:Anyway.
Speaker A:Then as when once the game was over, I was like, can we just, like, just for shits and giggles, hold this thing like a baseball bat and pitch to me.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And all the guys I was playing with could not hit, like, if they held it like a baseball bat.
Speaker A:But I could.
Speaker A:So that was like my little redeeming moment.
Speaker B:You were like, okay, I just didn't learn this as a.
Speaker B:A kid.
Speaker B:That's the problem.
Speaker A:My.
Speaker A:Yes, exactly.
Speaker A:So my cricket education could go.
Speaker A:Could go a little deeper.
Speaker A:For sure.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:I mean, yeah, obviously it's a huge sport.
Speaker B:It is funny because the Women's World cup, it's like Australia, New Zealand, England, Bangladesh, India, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, like, which are all large countries.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:There's also clearly, like a large portion of the globe that is missing.
Speaker B:It's kind of like we talked about the flag football.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And the big teams are like Canada, us, Mexico.
Speaker B:And you're like, clearly there's a large portion that is missing in these.
Speaker B:We are like divided in our sports.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But yeah, the finals are November 2nd.
Speaker B:Semifinals are like two days before that, you know, back to back.
Speaker B:So we will talk about that more next week.
Speaker B:The other big World Championship this past weekend, sir.
Speaker B:I feel like we're just on a World Championship.
Speaker B:It's like weightless.
Speaker A:Never.
Speaker A:It's like it's never ends.
Speaker B:It's a constant treadmill of constant world championships.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:24 hour running.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Is a real thing.
Speaker B:I feel like I need to preface.
Speaker A:With that with the real World Championship.
Speaker B:With a real World championship run by the iau.
Speaker B:Iua.
Speaker B:It's something like acronym by an acronym.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And so they run around like one and a half mile loop.
Speaker B:Oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because it has to be like regulated and 24 hours.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:To see how far you can get and countries and teams.
Speaker B:Because then, like the team score is added up and so then teams can win it.
Speaker B:There was a new world record.
Speaker B:This woman from England, Sarah Webster, ran 278km, which is like 173 miles.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:In 24 hours.
Speaker B:So obviously you can stop in the 24 hours, but that's sort of up to you.
Speaker B:You also have like tents on their little loop that you can like stop and get food.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:There's rules around all this.
Speaker B:Like what you can and can't do.
Speaker A:The main thing is you have to eat.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And sleep.
Speaker A:Do you sleep in 24 hours?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:I mean, I don't think the best people do.
Speaker B:So they do these around where I live too.
Speaker B:Like they.
Speaker B:And so obviously some people sleep, but, like, I don't think like the person setting a world record Sleeps.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:The video of her finishing is like, she's like bent over at the waist.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:We used to see that in Iron Man a lot.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it's a carbs issue probably.
Speaker B:She broke the old world record by 8K.
Speaker B:So it's not like it was.
Speaker A:278Km is an insanely long distance to run in one day.
Speaker A:Like, I just.
Speaker A:Again, much like the mountain biking, I cannot get my head.
Speaker A:And even as an endurance athlete myself, I cannot get my head around that.
Speaker B:These are.
Speaker B:There's one.
Speaker B:These are very popular around where I live.
Speaker B:They're a big thing.
Speaker B:So is mountain biking.
Speaker B:Um, and people have been trying to convince me to do them.
Speaker B:Cause there's one that goes on January 1st, like on New Year's Day, like, get your day started.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And they do like a two mile loop kind of by the Golden Gate Bridge in the Presidio.
Speaker B:And you just do loose, like you start it like on New Year's Eve.
Speaker B:So you bring it ring in the new Year.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you can either do like the 6 hour, 12 hour or 24 hour.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:And you just do loops under the bridge.
Speaker B:It's crazy.
Speaker B:So anyway, but the big.
Speaker B:I don't know if controversy is the right word, but the reason this was like, all over the running.
Speaker B:Twitters.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:The running this weekend.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So the woman.
Speaker B:So the woman whose record Sarah broke, Camille Herron, was supposed to race for the US Team and she didn't.
Speaker B:She withdrew, but became this whole big controversy for her own.
Speaker B:Like, we'll get to that.
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker B:Like, in a second.
Speaker B:But there's this whole big controversy because apparently, like the official.
Speaker B:The USA track and field officials are like, no, she has to officially withdraw from.
Speaker B:For.
Speaker B:In order for us to name an alternate.
Speaker B:And the alternate was there and, like, ready to race.
Speaker B:But they didn't have like this official confirmation.
Speaker B:But then Camille.
Speaker B:But then Camille put a statement out on social media and she was like, well, I've been taught, like, okay, so Camille has ADHD and like autism.
Speaker B:Like, she's talked about this a lot.
Speaker B:And she had been asking for, like some accommodations to deal with, like her aut.
Speaker B:Like for autism to have, like a space that was like, designated kind of separate from all the.
Speaker B:Because you can imagine gets really chaotic.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm not saying whether that.
Speaker B:I'm just saying she had.
Speaker B:She says she had been talking to them for months about like making sure this was possible.
Speaker B:And they never got into an agreement.
Speaker B:And so she never signed the contract saying she would go.
Speaker B:So she's like, why do you need me to withdraw?
Speaker B:So I feel like there was obviously miscommunication here.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And didn't they need something like a verbal.
Speaker A:Like they needed her to verbally withdraw, which in the article I read, I was having trouble understanding even what that is.
Speaker A:Like, was she supposed to call someone?
Speaker A:Was she supposed to send a voice memo?
Speaker B:So that's why they're like, well, we've tried calling her.
Speaker B:We should text her.
Speaker B:And I think from her perspective, she's like, well, I was never.
Speaker B:I never like you.
Speaker B:We've been talking about this this whole time.
Speaker A:I never said I was coming.
Speaker B:And you didn't meet my.
Speaker B:I said I needed these things.
Speaker B:You didn't apply.
Speaker B:So why do I need to withdraw?
Speaker B:Like, this is all.
Speaker B:But it was a whole big mess.
Speaker B:And you can imagine the let's run Internet forums are being, you know, polite and a common, considerate and really understanding.
Speaker A:Yes, I'm sure they are.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So it does seem like it was.
Speaker B:Part of me is like, this doesn't seem that complicated.
Speaker B:And part of me is like, clearly there was confusion on all sides.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, that's too bad.
Speaker A:I did also see that the.
Speaker A:There was a Canadian woman who broke the 50 to 54 age group record.
Speaker A:Oh, and she ran 195 kilometers, which is still.
Speaker A:It's not 278.
Speaker A:No, but.
Speaker A:Oh, man, that's far.
Speaker B:How far do you think you could run in 24 hours?
Speaker B:Like, if you did the one by my house.
Speaker A:Do it.
Speaker B:Do again New Year's Eve.
Speaker A:Do I get to.
Speaker A:Is that an invitation?
Speaker A:Do I get to train?
Speaker A:Can you.
Speaker A:Can you.
Speaker A:Can you do it in a group?
Speaker A:Can you do it as, like, a team?
Speaker B:I mean, I think that's something else.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:That's a different race entirely.
Speaker A:A race I would actually enjoy.
Speaker A:So the.
Speaker A:How far do I get to train?
Speaker A:Like, how long of a lead up do I get?
Speaker B:Two months.
Speaker A:Two months.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I like that you just answered that like that.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker B:You're like thinking.
Speaker B:You're like, I don't know.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:Part of me is like.
Speaker B:Part of me is like, I'm sure I could run a hundred and something miles, 100 miles.
Speaker B:I feel like.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:But with two months to train, I don't think I would be able to get the.
Speaker A:Like, I currently run 30 to 40 minutes twice a week.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So the difference in volume, there is.
Speaker A:There's a wide.
Speaker B:There's a wide difference.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, that was based on the two months.
Speaker B:Was based on.
Speaker B:Well, One, that's when New Year's Eve is.
Speaker B:But two, that when I used to, like, my logic was always, if you had a base level of fitness, you needed like three months to get race ready.
Speaker B:So, yeah, you only need like three months if you have baseline fitness.
Speaker B:I think that obviously it accepts a certain amount of baseline fitness.
Speaker A:It depends on, like, if I, if I took my current fitness, we ran together a couple times in Hawaii.
Speaker A:If I took my current fitness and you were like, you have three months and you're gonna run a 5K.
Speaker A:I would put a lot more on, like, I would do a decent time for my age in a 5k than on 24 hours of straight running, I tell you.
Speaker B:So I was actually still signed up for Ironman California, which happened yesterday when we're recording this, so this past Sunday.
Speaker B:And so I got this email, you know, being like, are you ready?
Speaker B:Here's your check in on like last week.
Speaker B:And I thought about doing it, Sarah, because I was like, you know what?
Speaker B:Because it's like a 45 minute an hour drive from my house.
Speaker B:And I was like, you know what?
Speaker B:I'm sure I could finish it in the cutoffs.
Speaker B:And then me and my husband sat here and we were like, well, I mean, let's say you take like seven and a half hours to walk the run.
Speaker B:That gives you still like 10 hours to get the rest of it done.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Picturing you and Steve working through this is like making my day right now.
Speaker A:I also love that, like the drive, like the 45 minute drive is like somehow a factor.
Speaker A:Like not the 112 mile bike ride.
Speaker B:And full marathon, but actually I was like, I bet I could just do it.
Speaker B:Like, why not?
Speaker B:Like, let's see what happened.
Speaker B:But then obviously what stopped me was, well, one, I crashed my mountain bike last week and I think I have a bruised ribbon.
Speaker B:So that's not great.
Speaker B:So that's partially like, that's really what stopped me here, Sarah.
Speaker B:No, and then the other problem is that obviously the reason I haven't been running and I didn't train for this and I ultimately didn't do it is because of the C section.
Speaker B:And so like, so then I was like, well, every time I try to run further than like, every time I don't build up very, very slowly, I end up getting like super, like it hurts really badly.
Speaker B:And so I feel like trying to tough my way through 26 miles would probably end up with like some.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Permanent.
Speaker A:The other factor you have not, you have not talked about is like, the Actual.
Speaker A:I don't know, what's the word I'm looking for?
Speaker A:Suffering of doing an Ironman that you've not prepared for.
Speaker B:Like, actually, wouldn't you be curious, though?
Speaker B:So I was like.
Speaker B:I was like, oh, you're kind of curious.
Speaker A:Would not get me through more than this swim.
Speaker B:And then really, it was the childcare.
Speaker B:That's the other thing that took me in.
Speaker B:I was like, well, I'd have to drive there.
Speaker B:But then, like, Steve's gone.
Speaker B:We have to come back.
Speaker A:The drive was easy.
Speaker A:If they had had childcare, you could have just gone out and done an Ironman this weekend.
Speaker B:Yeah, why not?
Speaker B:Wouldn't you have been curious?
Speaker A:No, I'm not curious about how slow I can do an Ironman right now.
Speaker A:That is not something that, like, I ponder in my brain and discuss with my partner.
Speaker B:Yeah, you're curious if you could do it without training for it.
Speaker B:Anyway, I did not do it.
Speaker B:Just so you know.
Speaker A:Wise, wise decision.
Speaker B:And obviously I'm not in any kind of shape where I wouldn't have done well, like, who cares?
Speaker B:But really, my goal would be ultimately to qualify for a world championship spot so I can turn it down on stage and tell them I'm turning it down because their system is stupid.
Speaker B:So that would be my.
Speaker B:That's my whole.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker A:I don't know how to break this to you.
Speaker B:They don't care.
Speaker A:Well, you've told them before.
Speaker A:In many ways.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker A:Also the chances of you being on stage and getting a world championship spot.
Speaker B:Well, right now, in 17 hours.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:But if I trained for three months.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Three.
Speaker A:Eight and nine.
Speaker A:Three and a half.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Anyway, it happened yesterday.
Speaker B:We talked a lot last week, of course, about the whole disaster with Iron Man's world championship qualifying for women.
Speaker B:And like, no, women are qu.
Speaker B:Women just aren't getting through.
Speaker B:One woman earned a spot next to 30 men, I think, yesterday here in California.
Speaker B:So I've been hearing a lot from people who are like, this is terrible.
Speaker B:And I'm like, you should tell Iron Man.
Speaker B:Don't tell me.
Speaker B:I know it's terrible.
Speaker A:Yeah, we said they don't know us a long time ago.
Speaker A:You've been saying that for a while.
Speaker B:Yeah, so.
Speaker B:So I've been like, email them.
Speaker B:That is my answer.
Speaker B:If you are upset, email Ironman.
Speaker B:Their emails are easy to find.
Speaker B:You can ask me.
Speaker B:All right, Sarah.
Speaker B:But the other thing that was big news on sports this past week.
Speaker B:Well, so the Victoria's Secret fashion show.
Speaker A:Big news in women's sports.
Speaker B:Big News in women's sports?
Speaker B:No, the Victoria's Secret fashion show.
Speaker B:One, it is back.
Speaker B:It is fully back.
Speaker B:And two, they had.
Speaker B:So Angel Reese, the basketball player, became the first athlete to ever walk the show.
Speaker B:And then they also had Suni Lee, the gymnast, but I think she went, like, later and had a smaller role.
Speaker B:And so then obviously, the question is sort of like, why?
Speaker B:No, I mean, like, Like, I mean, I saw one headline that was like, victoria's Secrets needed Angel Reese more than Angel Reese needs Victoria's Secret, which I think is true.
Speaker B:But then I feel like I was also getting fed last week a bunch of, like, Melissa Jefferson Wooden, the hundred 200 world champ, got paid, like, a hundred thousand dollars by Mr.
Speaker B:Beast, the shitty YouTuber to race 100 men.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And, like, can she beat them?
Speaker B:And then, like, the blurbs that they're trying to make you watch it are like, it was close.
Speaker B:It wasn't close.
Speaker B:Like, like, no, it wasn't close.
Speaker B:So that's why I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker B:All these, like.
Speaker B:And there's like, are they good or bad for female athletes?
Speaker B:Sarah, this is.
Speaker A:This is a hard one.
Speaker A:Okay, where.
Speaker A:Where do we start?
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I think if we start with the Victoria Secrets thing.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like, I am.
Speaker A:You and I have had this.
Speaker A:You've had.
Speaker A:We've had the debate about the Sports Illustrated swim swimsuit edition, where I feel like we just sort of divided it up and debated two sides of something.
Speaker A:But, like, I, you know, I'm all here for women of whatever walk of life expressing their sexuality in whichever way they want.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Or, like, that's fine.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:I think.
Speaker A: s thinking, this feels like a: Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:Like, let's try to include all body types and all races.
Speaker A:And, like, it just felt very weirdly dated for something that was like, it's back and it's new, and it's like your Victoria secrets, like, you guys actually created the problem, you know?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, I think it's like, so it's like a rebrand of a rebrand for Victoria's Secret.
Speaker B:And to their defense, they got more headlines than they've gotten in a long time.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like, I have my talk radio in the morning on the drive was talking about it.
Speaker B:Not about.
Speaker B:Not just about the athlete part, but about, like, they had this person.
Speaker B:They had these celebrities, and they.
Speaker B:This.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they, like, the first person out was one of the models who's super pregnant and she walked pregnant.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So, yeah, they're like, obviously trying to do this, like, rebranding.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:They had like a trans model.
Speaker A:They had a plus size model.
Speaker A:They had like, they just had more.
Speaker A:I don't know, they had more diversity.
Speaker B:But to your point, I think it's sort of like one of those.
Speaker B:There's some brands, products, things out there that you're like, did we need it to come back?
Speaker B:Was that something that was like missing in our lives?
Speaker A:I was very happy for Victoria's Secret to die.
Speaker B:Honestly, Like, I. Oh, it's still around.
Speaker A:I know, I know that it didn't fully die.
Speaker B:No, actually it is not entirely accurate.
Speaker B:The Victoria's secrets at the mall got turned into a vaccine clinic during the pandemic.
Speaker A:Really?
Speaker A:At your local mall?
Speaker A:Yeah, I know that, like, they were shrinking though.
Speaker A:That's what.
Speaker A:That's probably a more accurate.
Speaker A:And I was okay with that.
Speaker A:I also, I just feel like this is.
Speaker A:I don't know that.
Speaker A:I don't actually know that many people who actually wear those types of bras.
Speaker A:Like, you know how we.
Speaker A:I kind of grew up with like the underwire bras, the push up bras.
Speaker A:Like, a lot of like lingerie was kind of everywhere.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And I just don't.
Speaker A:I just know so many people who now just wear sports bras all the time.
Speaker B:I have been sports bra all the time for like a decade.
Speaker B:And I feel like I have gone on a like, hashtag campaign and people, they come, they're first, they're like, I don't know, like.
Speaker B:And then they come around and they realize.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And you were one of the first people to ever say to me like, that you wear sports bras all the time.
Speaker A:And probably, I don't know, seven or eight years ago.
Speaker A:And now I think a lot of people are in that category.
Speaker A:Or there's more bras being designed by women for women.
Speaker A:There's just the.
Speaker A:The industry is evolving in a good way.
Speaker B:I think the sports bra sl, like lifestyle has also gotten super blurry where it's like, I have my cute sports bras I wear around for work, and then I have my sports bras I wear to work out in.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And sometimes they overlap.
Speaker A:And then you also have the like whole, I don't know, like lingerie.
Speaker A:What is sexy whole industry, which I'm not as plugged into as I am sports bras.
Speaker A:But I'm gonna take a guess that that has also evolved and diversified.
Speaker A:And there's A lot like that.
Speaker A:It's not like it's not as, like, dependent on, like, the male.
Speaker A:It's like, not like the male gaze is.
Speaker A:I don't know what you call it driving that as much as it used to.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like, I think there's more just diversity in that kind of industry, too, of, like, what people wear during sexy time.
Speaker B:During sexy time.
Speaker A:Someone else can come and tell me if there's a.
Speaker A:If there's a diversification of what you wear during sexy time.
Speaker B:Listener comments.
Speaker B:Send us a voicemail.
Speaker B:Let us know about sexy time.
Speaker A:Yeah, so I do think all that is to say it's a fair question of, like, did we need Victoria's Secret to come back?
Speaker A:But it sounds like if people are talking about it and even people, like, we're now talking about it.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Is kind of what they wanted.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, I think it was successful for them.
Speaker B:Like, I think they're probably like, well, that worked.
Speaker B:And I think Angel Reese was like, a good pick because she has said in the past she wanted to walk a victorious.
Speaker B:Like, she grew up wanting to walk a Victoria's Secret show.
Speaker A:Although I do feel like, did just the way you said it and the way the article said it, like, did they put Sunny Lee in a corner.
Speaker B:Because, like, SUNY Lee.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, she should have been more.
Speaker B:She should have been a bigger.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Bigger part of it.
Speaker B:Well, there's kind of, I think a part where they were like other celebrities and stuff, as opposed to, like, the actual models.
Speaker B:And I think Angel Reese was kind of acting more as one of the models.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I didn't watch all of it.
Speaker B:I'm just saying it might have been.
Speaker A:A personal choice on.
Speaker B:Yeah, on their part.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:On their part.
Speaker B:So, you know, like, good for them.
Speaker B:But then I was also.
Speaker B:Every now and then, right.
Speaker B:I get sent these, like, so and so man tries to outrun Olympics or so.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And so this Mr.
Speaker B:Beast won.
Speaker B:And everyone's like, well, she won a hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:So I know why Melissa Jefferson wouldn't took $100,000 to race in quotations 100 average men.
Speaker B:I don't know if that was like, like, you're like, cool.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Like, does that help her in any way?
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:Does it get her name out there?
Speaker B:Is it good?
Speaker A:I mean, it's interesting because I think overall, if you think of, like, the Mr.
Speaker A:Beast fandom, right.
Speaker A:And who they are, Right.
Speaker A:Are there a percentage of them who actually believe that they can be a professional Runner at over the 100 meters.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Probably a bigger percentage than there should be.
Speaker A:So do I think it's good for them to watch like a hundred men literally get, like, destroyed?
Speaker B:Oh, but the comments on it were all like, oh, haha.
Speaker B:So it takes the best woman in the world to beat some average guys?
Speaker B:And you're like, okay.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, I guess people are gonna.
Speaker B:People are terrible.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But by contrast, like Athlos, the women's track meet, they did that long jump in Times Square.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:And so before they had the pros come out, they had like, average people could just try it.
Speaker B:Like men and women, I think.
Speaker B:But then.
Speaker B:So then they made this little video that was like, average guy tries to long jump compared to Tara Davis Woodall.
Speaker B:And the way that it's like, in how it's framed, right?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:So they were like, oh, you thought you could do this, you couldn't do this.
Speaker B:Like, this is actually.
Speaker B:So then that the way they framed it really highlighted what you're saying, which is like, people tend to think they could totally be an Olympian.
Speaker B:There's some study, right?
Speaker B:Where it's like, oh, if I trained, I could be an Olympian.
Speaker B:You're like, right.
Speaker B:They overwhelmingly think they could make the Olympics.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:A stunning number of men think they could get a point on Serena Williams.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like, so the way they framed it was like, oh, this is actually really hard.
Speaker B:Whereas then, like, the way the spectacle type stuff frames it is like, can she beat him?
Speaker B:And you're like, yes, right.
Speaker B:Obviously she can beat him.
Speaker B:What the fuck is this video?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker A:I wasn't.
Speaker A:I was.
Speaker A:Not entirely.
Speaker A:I don't know, I wasn't entirely pleased with the Mr.
Speaker A:Beast frame of it.
Speaker A:And I was also cringing in the same way.
Speaker A:I was, I was.
Speaker A:But I also just see the positive side of it too.
Speaker B:Like, well, she got money.
Speaker A:Yeah, she got money.
Speaker A:She did win.
Speaker A:Although part of me was like, what if she didn't win?
Speaker B:I know, right?
Speaker B:You'd be like, well, that's not good.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Even if it's just one guy.
Speaker B:Well, because a hundred is.
Speaker B:I feel like 100 meters is sort of a crapshoot.
Speaker B:You know, like, sometimes you're like, pretty short.
Speaker A:Were they short and were they 100 random guys?
Speaker A:Or like, was there potentially like a college track star in there?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Somebody could.
Speaker B:You're like, I will tell you, I was at the high school track one time, and it must have been like, end of the school year, kind of, because they're, you know, the kids Are half checked out.
Speaker B:And I was running.
Speaker B:I'm no longer allowed to run.
Speaker B:Well, whatever.
Speaker B:I've gotten chased out of the high school, But I was running repeats on the track at the time.
Speaker A:What were you doing when you got.
Speaker B:No, because they've gotten really, like.
Speaker B:They've gotten really stressed about security.
Speaker B:They're like, you can't be here.
Speaker B:And I'm like, it's an open track, like, next to the high school.
Speaker A:Yeah, I've been kicked out of high school tracks before, too.
Speaker B:They also have, like, one of those really weird schedules where it's like, on B days, on fall, on Wednesday, we end it.
Speaker B:And you're like, how the am I supposed to.
Speaker B:And they always act like.
Speaker B:It's like, well, obviously you should know.
Speaker B:It's in appendix C on our website under calendar logistics.
Speaker B:And I can.
Speaker B:I'm like, what the fuck?
Speaker B:Anyway, so they've.
Speaker B:We've had some arguments, but a couple years ago, before this, I was running and I didn't realize they weren't done for the year yet.
Speaker B:And until this, like, gym class comes out, and I was like, oh, sorry, I didn't.
Speaker B:And the gym teacher is like an old guy who's like, no, no, it's fine, it's fine.
Speaker B:Like, keep doing your.
Speaker B:Your whatever.
Speaker B:I was doing like 400 or something.
Speaker B:And then he starts lecturing the kids about, like, you know, hard work ethic and hard work and blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:And half those high school kids were like, oh, I could run under 10 seconds in the hundred.
Speaker B:And because it was the ending, he was like, okay, show me.
Speaker B:So he, like, lied off these, like, 10 high school boys.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And I was like, go ahead, run 10 seconds.
Speaker B:All of them made it like 20.
Speaker B:They all started out really fast.
Speaker B:They made it like 20 or 30 meters in, like, start to slow down.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And then it was like.
Speaker A:Which also happened on the Mr.
Speaker A:Beast video.
Speaker B:And then they just sort of fall off.
Speaker B:And you're like, oh, they.
Speaker B:Most of them took like, 20 seconds.
Speaker B:You're like, nobody.
Speaker B:You're not.
Speaker B:You can't run 100 meters in 10 seconds.
Speaker B:Random high school kid.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:So, yeah, the confidence.
Speaker A:You witnessed all of this.
Speaker A:Like, you overheard it and witnessed this whole scene.
Speaker A:That's amazing.
Speaker B:It's fantastic.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:One time I was overtaking.
Speaker A:I was doing an interval.
Speaker A:So I used to run on a golf course.
Speaker A:It's like a undulating, you know, chip trail on a golf course here in Victoria.
Speaker A:And there was a gym class out there, and I had to.
Speaker A:And it was.
Speaker A:It's Kind of like a tight trail because it's, you know, there's bushes and, you know.
Speaker A:Anyway, I had to overtake them, and it's kind of awkward.
Speaker A:And I was like, excuse me.
Speaker A:And then I heard the kids go, oh, that's okay.
Speaker A:She can overtake us.
Speaker A:She's an iron man.
Speaker A:Because I had an iron man shirt.
Speaker B:And you were like, okay.
Speaker A:I was like.
Speaker A:It was also okay if I was just overtaking you and not fine, but whatever.
Speaker B:So anyway, I'm split on all these kind of like, it all feel.
Speaker B:It's kind of like we were talking a little while ago at the battle of the sexist, too, with Irinia Sabalenka.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Like, do we need all these things anymore?
Speaker B:Like, I don't feel like we need the Mr.
Speaker B:Beast.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:And the fashion shows and the.
Speaker B:You like you.
Speaker A:I'm like, I don't know which kind of goes back to you.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And again, I do like what Athos did because it's.
Speaker A:Because when you're doing.
Speaker A:Because people often ask for that kind of content, like at the Olympics, like, the.
Speaker A:I just want to see a regular person.
Speaker A:And it doesn't.
Speaker A:It's not a gender thing.
Speaker A:It's like, I wanted to see, like, an average person do this so that you have this context for how difficult it is or how skilled these athletes really are.
Speaker A:That is.
Speaker A:I think that's okay.
Speaker A:I think once you make it gendered in an era where women's sports now have their own platforms, their own, like, it's not a thing that's being.
Speaker A:That should be compared to men's sports.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's unto itself its own.
Speaker B:This is me laughing.
Speaker B:Email Iron man and let them know.
Speaker A:Like, I feel like I've said this before.
Speaker A:I wonder when.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:So I don't know.
Speaker B:I mean, obviously there's a temptation a lot of times, and not as much in this new.
Speaker B:In this era of women's horse, but there's a temptation a lot of times to, like, sensationalize headlines.
Speaker B:It's the whole, like, well, like, if we put them in sexy outfits, then people will watch type of thing.
Speaker B:And I think we've moved.
Speaker B:I think the world has moved away from that, but it's still there sometimes where it's like, well, you should be grateful for any clicks.
Speaker B:You should be grateful for any views.
Speaker B:And you're like, that's the part that always is sort of like, eh, yeah, yeah, we've moved past that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Victoria's Secrets needs Angel Reese more than she needs Them.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Excellent conclusion.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:All right, Pick of the week, Sarah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Want me to go first?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I'm gonna pick our new Canadian masters marathon record holder.
Speaker A:She ran in Chicago, Maria Zambrano.
Speaker A:Sorry if I'm saying her name wrong.
Speaker A:She ran, I believe, 249.
Speaker A:She's 55.
Speaker A:59 age group.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So yay, Maria.
Speaker B:That's fascinating.
Speaker B:I love a good master's record 55 year old.
Speaker A:Although when I see those times, this is a little closer to my world.
Speaker A:When I see those times, I'm like, oh, yeah.
Speaker A:I think just because of like the generation of women that are coming through and how many women have continued to stay active beyond college?
Speaker A:I think that those, those, a lot of those records are going to a.
Speaker B:Lot of ones for sure.
Speaker B:Like kind of when we were at the Ironman World championships and There was the 80 year old who became the first 80 year old and obviously she's gone super viral.
Speaker B:She's been everywhere now.
Speaker B:But she was like, oh, I didn't get to play sports as a kid.
Speaker B:I didn't even like start running until I was 48.
Speaker B:I didn't learn how to swim until I was 49.
Speaker B:You're like, oh, like that's amazing for her.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But then obviously there are going to be people who learned how to swim when they were 30, who are now 60, who will be 80.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:So there's a different generation coming through.
Speaker A:And so when I see, when I hear, okay, a 55 year old running 249, I do think it's amazing.
Speaker A:And I think I have a number of friends who in a few years are going to be able to run that, you know.
Speaker B:Oh, well, you know, you have to.
Speaker B:What's the.
Speaker B:You have to figure they all.
Speaker B:You also get slower as you age, Sarah.
Speaker A:Well, I know, I'm not saying oh, because my friends now can run it now.
Speaker A:I'm saying they can now run like 242.
Speaker A:So sure, you know, and like, I mean they still have to have the.
Speaker B:Will and the time, the desire decide to push.
Speaker A:There's a lot, there's a lot of other factors.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Um, this is like cuz one of my favorite races is a handicapped race.
Speaker B:And so you obviously get more time as you get older and you're always are like, oh, I get two minutes next year I'm gonna win.
Speaker B:And then you're like, oh, I just have to not slow down.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:My pick of the week is Jess Rowe and Miriam Payne.
Speaker B:They became the first women's team women's duo to row all the way across Pacific Ocean from.
Speaker B:They went from Lima in Peru to Cairns, Cairns in Australia.
Speaker B:Took them 165 days, five and a half months.
Speaker B:And they are the first.
Speaker B:Apparently there's only been like seven teams or individuals who have done this ever.
Speaker B:And they're the first, all women.
Speaker B:So they said obviously a new world record for unsupported in one go, like no stops along the way or anything.
Speaker B:So they had to, like, bring all their food with them.
Speaker B:They were like, powering off solar power.
Speaker B:They had to go out.
Speaker B:It was obviously they had a radio for emergencies.
Speaker B:But, yeah, it was pretty wild.
Speaker A:I'm in absolute awe of these people.
Speaker A:I would just spend the entire time out there being scared of creatures.
Speaker B:I think you probably have to get over that by day seven.
Speaker B:You have 160 more days to go.
Speaker A:It would maybe.
Speaker A:I don't know how long it would take me to get over.
Speaker A:It would be a long time.
Speaker B:Yeah, I would be worried about the storms because that's.
Speaker A:That's probably a more rational fear.
Speaker B:Probably more rational.
Speaker B:So, anyway, kudos to them.
Speaker B:They also apparently were the youngest, so they always set a record for like, first ever women's.
Speaker B:But they were also the youngest to do it, I believe so.
Speaker B:So it is impressive.
Speaker B:Yay.
Speaker B:All right, next week we're going to find a cricket expert who's going to explain cricket to us as we get ready for the final of the cricket World Cup.
Speaker B:And then we will be shifting to winter sports and we'll have some winter sport athletes in the next few weeks coming on to talk to us.
