Shownotes
Why do both the DNC and RNC claim the Supreme Court decision as a victory? What are the potential benefits each sees?
Common Sense Takeaways
1. **Supreme Court's Arizona Election Law Decision:**
- The Supreme Court's procedural ruling on Arizona's election law and ballot printing deadlines highlights the ongoing judicial battles over election integrity, emphasizing the contentious and divided opinions among justices.
2. **Economic Impact of Job Numbers Revision:**
- The Bureau of Labor Statistics' job numbers revision can significantly affect federal borrowing rates, demonstrating skepticism towards the government's handling of economic data and fiscal policies.
3. **Second Amendment and Free Expression:**
- The Second Amendment is a safeguard against tyranny and underscores the importance of free speech, raising concerns about foreign influences attempting to control American expression.
4. **Implications of Government Policies on Personal Property:**
- The potential consequences of tax and administrative policies related to personal property, indicating fears over government overreach and the need for proof of possession for valuable items like artwork and firearms.
5. **Critique of Proposed Housing Solutions:**
- Governmental strategies aimed at addressing the housing shortage, particularly plans to provide housing for those unable to afford it, reflecting apprehension about the effectiveness and unintended consequences of such policies.
6. **Kamala Harris's Media Avoidance:**
- Kamala Harris's avoidance of media interviews while running for president, implies concerns over transparency and accountability in her campaign.
7. **Gender Identity and Athletics:**
- The complexities and challenges related to transgender athletes competing in women's sports, underlining the inherent differences and the need for fair competition standards.
8. **Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Program Elimination:**
- Companies such as Jack Daniels and Harley Davidson eliminating DEI programs are mentioned, reflecting broader societal debates over the necessity and impact of these initiatives in corporate America.
9. **Historical Context of Authoritarian Ideologies:**
- A historical examination of World War II, particularly Stalin's post-war actions and the response of Allied powers, serves as a metaphor for modern-day concerns about the suppression of opposing views and free speech.
10. **Concerns Over Voter ID Laws and Judicial Processes:**
- The Arizona voter ID law's journey through the courts underscores the importance of procedural fairness in judicial decisions and the fine balance between enforcing election laws and protecting constitutional rights.
Common Sense Moments
00:00 Complex history of WWII cooperation & betrayal.
07:27 Pretext for World War II was Poland.
14:07 State and federal court procedure explained briefly.
18:33 Constitutional amendment for expedited federal election cases.
25:44 Unemployment rate misreported, Fed considering interest rate.
27:27 Implying government incompetence in alleged assassination attempt.
32:16 Scarcity increases value; supply and demand.
37:47 Lower taxes through capital gains and exchanges.
42:31 Questioning government control, advocating personal joy and freedom.
50:28 Debate over transgender athletes in Olympic sports.
56:17 Silent prayer, arrest, judgment, rights violation, Orwellian.
59:44 Comparison of Sharia law to potential UK influence.
Recorded at the 511 Studios, in the Brewery District in downtown Columbus, OH.
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Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. He has specialized almost exclusively in criminal defense for over 26 years. Steve is also a partner in Criminal Defense Consultants, a firm focused wholly on helping criminal defense attorneys design winning strategies for their clients.
Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. He earned undergraduate degrees in literature and journalism and graduated with a Juris Doctor from the University of Cincinnati College of Law in 1985. He worked in the IT industry for two years before launching a career in government relations in Columbus, Ohio. Norm has assisted clients in the Transportation, Education, Healthcare, and Public Infrastructure sectors.
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Transcripts
Alright. Oye, oye, oye. Come forward, and you shall be heard. God praise this court or whatever it says after that. I don't know. Why are we entering with that? Because it's Common Sense Ohio, August 23, 2024, and the voting decision comes out of the US Supreme Court. This is out of the air challenging the Arizona law. We'll get to that in a second, but few introductory remarks as usual.
Steve Palmer [:We are looking for common sense, and we are finding it right here at the round table, except today without Brett, homesick.
Norm Murdock [:To paraphrase, Kamala Harris from last night, it's Steve Palmer and Norm Murdock appearing for the people.
Steve Palmer [:Appearing yeah. For the people. For God's sake. Alright. Well, anyway, so there's lots going on. So we're gonna we're gonna buzz through some of this introductory stuff. But common sense ohio show dot com is as there. It is our website.
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Steve Palmer [:And if you wanna become a sponsor, if you wanna donate, if you wanna do anything, go to commonsenseohohohohoh.com, send us a note. And beyond that, if you want to send us a topic that we will kick around here at the roundtable, we will do that too. We get comments periodically. Norm, I know you're prolific online Yep. Responding on Facebook, etcetera. So Yep. Anyway, we do appreciate your support. I have always or not always, but for the last year or so, I have been, churning up old World War 2 history, comments or, what happened today in World War 2 history.
Steve Palmer [:Believe it or not, I stole this from the Columbus Dispatch years ago. They used to do this back in the eighties nineties, like, 50 years ago today in history. And I that was I always started my dispatch read with that. I would skip to that.
Norm Murdock [:And it it is amazing whatever, conflict you're talking about, like first world war, the civil war, World War 2. Those those, conflicts, I I mean, they resonate right up to the present. Yeah. Oh, they do. Right? Almost every case.
Steve Palmer [:Well, particularly the first and second world wars. I mean, that that that's still modern history. We're still we're still living that history.
Norm Murdock [:And Civil War. We're still we're still sorting out race relations. Yeah. It's unbelievable. Right?
Steve Palmer [:Anyway, there this is a good today's a good day to discuss about what happens when 2 evil criminals make a an agreement. Yeah. It's like it's sort of like drug dealers agreeing not to attack each other or, like, rival gangs saying we're not gonna attack each other.
Norm Murdock [:Literally the axis of evil.
Steve Palmer [:Literally. I mean, the the most evil people that ever walked the earth, ironically, there are still people championing the economic structure of of both, and they're all on the left, by the way. But, anyway Yeah. Hitler and Stalin, entered in on August 23, 1939 an agreement not to attack each other and sort of divide up Europe with their, quote, spheres of influence in the Molotov Ribbentrop pact, which basically cut up Europe Eastern Europe. Soviet Union would occupy occupy Eastern Poland, the Baltic States, and part of Finland, while Germany would invade Poland. PEC also included a secret protocol that added Lithuania to the Soviet Union sphere of interest, and, you know, Hitler promptly broke the
Norm Murdock [:agreement. Well, yeah. He broke the agreement.
Steve Palmer [:Well, not promptly, but shortly.
Norm Murdock [:When he started Barbarossa later.
Steve Palmer [:But It wasn't like Stalin wasn't ready for that either, though.
Norm Murdock [:But they, yeah. I mean, people forget this and, you know, the the history of, the Soviet Union in World War 2 is pretty complex. German you know, the the Treaty of Versailles, for example, banned the reinstatement of the Luftwaffe, so the German air force. So under the Hitler administration, pilots were sent to the Soviet Union, for training, for combat, training. I mean, that's those two countries were working together even as Hitler in my camp was condemning, the Soviet Union and and and the, the Slavic people as subhuman. But yet he he and Stalin cooperated on things like violating the Treaty of Versailles, said the German Luftwaffe could be, you know, rebuilt. And and the the Ribbentrop treaty that you just talked about, Steve, it specifically set up the the more than spheres of influence, but the it set up the bifurcation of Poland down to what river was the border between eastern Poland and western Poland where the Germans took western Poland and, the Soviet Union took eastern Poland. So
Steve Palmer [:And and and if you read the history of what they did in Poland, I mean, it's it's, like, brutal.
Norm Murdock [:Unbelievable. Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:Both sides. I mean, it's
Norm Murdock [:the the Katyn massacre.
Steve Palmer [:The Katyn Katyn Forest.
Norm Murdock [:What was that? Something like 16,000 Polish intellectuals and military officers?
Steve Palmer [:Execute the Soviets did this.
Norm Murdock [:Right? The cream, and they blamed it on the Germans. And then later, excavations proved it was the Soviets. But they they disemboweled the the Polish society from rebuilding itself, by by getting rid of the intelligentsia. Yeah. The the the cream of Polish society.
Steve Palmer [:This is this was a I mean, this is a natural progression. Look. Not not to not to make it so too dramatic. But I guess we should also say we're not gonna go into Stalingrad because we have, but that started in August 23rd. Ironically, August 23, 1942. Anyway, this is it's it's interesting what you have to do when you're trying to push an ideology that is contrary to natural human instinct.
Norm Murdock [:Yes. Right.
Steve Palmer [:You have to kill everybody and exterminate everybody who doesn't agree. And what's most remarkable is you come up with a way these these ideologies come up with a way to justify it, like, for the good of the whole. And that's what Stalin did and Hitler too. Yes. You know, they if you don't agree, it's because then we have to just get rid of you. Right. And this is why, like, millions and millions and millions of people have died under this communist notion. And we're seeing hints of it too.
Steve Palmer [:You know, you're seeing in in a different way. I'm not saying that the leftist today are murdering people yet, but you're seeing it in this in the tamping down of free speech and saying, well, this isn't free speech or this isn't speech, it's hate speech Yes. Where they redefine what it is. And and really at its core, and this we can jump into maybe some of the DNC, you know, the lies. But, you know, it's like you you have to tamp down what they're calling, freeze or, hate speech and and racism and whatever else they label it as. But really what they're doing is tamping down views that disagree with them. You know, they're tamping down contrary views. They don't want a discussion about it.
Steve Palmer [:They don't want Yeah. Anybody to challenge it. And, you know, the the net the extreme of that is is Khaytien Forest massacre. And because you you Stalin had to get rid of the intellectuals who disagreed. Yeah. Because that was a that was opposition that he could not win in the form of ideas. He had to do it in the form of massacre.
Norm Murdock [:And and and, of course, the pretext for World War 2, the the entire reason France and England declared war on Germany is because Hitler invaded Poland, and there was a a treaty whereby they guaranteed the security of Poland. So that pulled them into the war. So their England and France decided to fight Hitler because he invaded Poland, and Poland there therefore would be subjugated and would be a a state under the, you know, thumb of a dictator. And ironically enough, right, at the end of World War 2, what did England and France and, frankly, the United States agreed to? That Joseph Stalin could be the replacement dictator of Poland. So the entire pretext for for entering into combat was totally thrown out the window at Yalta, and and it's just like, go ahead. You you can have Poland. I mean, we were we were in the theater because of Poland.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:And we abandoned the Polish people. It's a disgrace on western, you know, military history that that the very reason the conflict was started in the final analysis, the USSR won World War 2. I mean, yeah, we got rid of Hitler, but then the USSR took over half of Europe. Yeah. And we were just like you know, we didn't listen to people like general Patton because he's extreme. He slapped a soldier.
Steve Palmer [:So Or even Churchill.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. Or yeah. And we just you know, we bailed. The British people did not reelect Winston Churchill towards the end of the war.
Steve Palmer [:Well, look, in there's there's still another side of that. I mean, we were a little bit weary of
Norm Murdock [:Oh, sure.
Steve Palmer [:Of war. Right. And taking on the Red Army at that point was certainly not in anybody's, like, I don't wanna say their best interest, but it was certainly nothing anybody wanted to even comprehend, let alone go actually do. Yeah. But I've told this story before is that when the Germans were retreating from Berlin heading west, the, they ran in all the American soldiers, and and they were sort of shocked. Like, hey. Come on with us. Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:Let's go fight let's go fight Stalin. Right. That's the real enemy. Yeah. And it sort of shows that there was, ideologically at the top with fascism, there was a, you know, obviously, we're fighting Hitler for all sorts of reasons. But at the bottom, you know, the the soldiers, the German soldiers were not all that unlike the American soldiers. You know, they were just people on the ground fighting a war that they didn't start. And, certainly, the SS and some of those troops were more ideologues but than others.
Steve Palmer [:But a lot of them were just soldiers, and and they were like, look. The real enemy are these bastards coming our way. Yeah. Let's go let's go take that on.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:And, they they knew. You know, they were they were just, it just so happened Hitler needed to be crushed. Right?
Norm Murdock [:That Right.
Steve Palmer [:That so that had to happen first. But anyway
Norm Murdock [:I think Truman was counting on buffaloing, Stalin because we had the atomic weapon, and it had been used on Japan. And I I think Truman was gambling that Stalin wouldn't be so dumb as to dominate Eastern Europe in in view of the fact that we had atomic weapons, and he did not at that time. And, no. That no. It didn't work. Yeah. He was not intimidated whatsoever.
Steve Palmer [:Well, it's because Stalin like, the the push where there's mush is sort of the the the saying, you know. And Stalin understood that, is that there was mush there. You know, we didn't he knew that we didn't have the stomach That's right. To go do anything real. And and, so he pushed, and he took over half of
Norm Murdock [:Europe. Yeah. Including half of Germany.
Steve Palmer [:Including half of Germany when there was a wall there until, what, 92, 91? Yeah. And, and even, you know, the Polish solidarity movement and and all of, was it, like, Lewenza? All that crap that happened back.
Norm Murdock [:John Paul the second, the pope going there and doing masses, you know, while it was still under the direct rule of general Geraszewski, who was the puppet in charge of Poland for the Soviet Union.
Steve Palmer [:Yep. No. It's, it's crazy stuff. But, you know, the point of that is that ideology, it start what's interesting is that Marx sort of envisioned this idea that, that, the the people would rise up, the working man would rise up and sort of take over and marshal in this utopian communist nonsense that they talk about. And he thought that would happen, of course, first in places like the United States of America and England where we had more capitalistic economies. And not and not only did it not happen, it's like in these economic structures, the working class can advance faster and and up higher than any other type of economic system that has ever been employed in in history.
Norm Murdock [:Sure.
Steve Palmer [:So it didn't happen where they so they they forced it. Stalin has to force it, and they do that at the end of the gun.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. With all his price fixing.
Steve Palmer [:Right. Right. So let's talk about that.
Norm Murdock [:I mean, boy. Or
Steve Palmer [:do we wanna talk supreme court? Or we let's let's do the supreme court first because, you
Norm Murdock [:know Yeah. Go ahead. You did a little research into this, Arizona voter ID, voter, you know, proof of citizenship, you know, where where the the the Arizona law was being, you know, on temporary hold waiting for the Supreme Court to weigh in?
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. So I think it's important always to start with the procedure and what's going on. And in this decision, we talk about what it does and what it does not do. First of all, it's Republican National Committee et al, meaning and others, versus Mi Familia Voda et al, and others. So there's multiple plaintiffs and there's multiple defendants. I think a lot of the AGs around the country joined this. But it was an Arizona law that basically was a voter ID law that says, you have to have ID to register to vote. You have to have ID to register and and you have to have ID to vote in person, and and by mail.
Steve Palmer [:And probably there was some other provision. But so this goes this sort of matriculates up after the laws and, law is passed. And what happens is when the law get when the law was challenged in the Arizona courts, it immediately probably went to the federal courts. And then the federal courts have to decide. Alright. We're gonna determine whether this law is constitutional, meaning you have a state law, and then you have to you have to test the state law against the United States Constitution. So this is this is the supremacy clause. This is like, states can do whatever they want until it runs a foul of what the US Constitution says.
Steve Palmer [:And the best not so state courts are able. They have the jurisdiction and authority to make those decisions. But eventually, if the others if it keeps seesawing back and forth, no matter what the state court says, yay or nay, unconstitutional, it gets up to the federal courts, or you can start the action in federal court if you want to. And the federal court first has to decide, Well, they have to decide, is the law constitutional? But then often that goes along with this is the question about what do we do with this law while we're deciding if the if it's constitutional or not? And by that, I mean, are we gonna let the law go into enactment? Are we gonna let the law enforce what it's trying to do, or are we gonna say, no. Now we're not gonna declare it unconstitutional yet, but you're not allowed to enforce it yet either. And that's what this decision is all about. It's a procedural question, and the procedure matters because this is already being overstated as a decision on the merits that they allow this, but not allow that. And I guess to some extent, it's a decision on the merits in that the US Supreme Court permitted enforcement of some of the law.
Steve Palmer [:Not all of it, but some of it. But it's not a decision on the merits because they actually talk about it in their one paragraph decision on this, that says, look, you know, this this is we're only saying that you can enforce this part of the law unless and until we ever grant cert or don't grant cert to actually review a thing on the merits. If we if we don't grant cert, then, you know, it's it's dead in the water. This order is is is over. So what happens is the the district court, the lower federal court, enjoins the law. They said, look, we're not gonna let you enforce this law while I'm deciding while this judge is deciding whether it's constitutional or not. So the litigants, the Republican National Committee, asks the Supreme Court to review that little narrow part of the decision where the lower court has decided not to not to allow the state to enforce the law. The Supreme Court takes it only on that issue.
Steve Palmer [:Are we gonna let this law remain intact while we decide whether it's constitutional? And in a split decision, 5 to what was it? 5 to 4?
Norm Murdock [:Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:In a 5 to 4 decision, the Supreme Court says, look. We're going to allow some of this law, the little part of it that requires ID to register to go into enforcement, but the rest of it were not. So mail in ballots don't require ID and whatever other provisions there are.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:So then, you know, that's all this is. That's all this is. Yeah. Now interestingly, I read the headlines. Trying to figure out trying to find this decision. I start reading headlines. It's like conservative majority court strike. You know, it's like whatever it is.
Steve Palmer [:And then others are saying court permits, thousands of disenfranchised voters to vote. And it's like, no. It says nothing of the sort. This is it's like it's such political nonsense. Right. Right. The other thing that's that's crazy about this is the, like, the the the media and even friends of mine say this stuff all the time. Wow.
Steve Palmer [:We've got more Catholics on the court than we've ever had, and they're all blah blah blah blah blah. Well, Amy Coney Barrett voted with the, quote, liberal block Right. On this. She did. Yeah. And she would not have granted a stay on any of it. And she's done this in a couple things. So she's got a different ideology, not about what the underlying issues are, but rather when the US Supreme Court should intervene and stay enforcement or prevent enforcement of law.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. And those are issues that matter. The procedure matters.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:Now one of the considerations I'll I should say so there's, like, factors that you have to look at when you make these decisions, and one of them is the likelihood of success on the merits of the law. So that's an important one. So it does telegraph sometimes what a court's gonna do. Yeah. On the other hand, it's just procedure.
Norm Murdock [:You know, one of the one of the major, faults in our system, was illustrated after the 2020 election when, Trump or the, candidate for governor out there in, in Arizona wanted to challenge the outcome of the election based on various, you know, voting irregularities that they alleged. And at a certain point, you know, when it gets to be 2021 and the president and the other governor, of Arizona are already sworn in, and it's kind of like you know, it's already happened.
Steve Palmer [:It's too late. It's done.
Norm Murdock [:It's too late.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:And so what this illustrates to me is that something I would like to see if there was a constitutional amendment that we could add would be that cases involving federal, related elections, I think, should be, that should be though that should be subject matter that the Supreme Court is instructed right in our constitution that they must take that on an expedited basis. Because, otherwise, the people are not you know, voters are not gonna have faith in the electoral system if all of this gets thrown out after the election, and we never really have a forensic investigation. We never have anything that settles in people's minds. Was it a fair election? Yes or no? And I think a case like this that gets ahead of the voting and sorts out what kind of identification a voter has to present in order to register or to vote in person. This is the kind of stuff we really need. We really need these kinds of
Steve Palmer [:Well
Norm Murdock [:clarity from the Supreme Court.
Steve Palmer [:There there's all but there is already a mechanism for this kind of stuff, not specific to voting law, but specific to these issues. So any like, in law school and constitutional law, they teach you a couple things about jurisdiction of the US Supreme Court. Is that the first and foremost, there has to be a case or controversy. There's no advisory opinion. So you don't go to the court and say, please tell us what you'll rule if we decide to do this. Right. Doesn't work that way. There has to be a case or a controversy.
Steve Palmer [:The second thing that has to happen is there's gotta be standing. In other words, you have to like, the law has to somehow impact me if I'm gonna sue somebody Right. And go up. Right. So back to the the case or controversy is what you're talking about. Because what happens is by the time, the it gets up to the Supreme Court, there's no longer a case or controversy because the matter is resolved. Yeah. And then they would call that moot.
Steve Palmer [:It no longer matters. It it's it's irrelevant, but there's an exception. So the the and for those constitutional law scholars, I'm spitballing here from, like, my 1st year of law school. But I think case or controversy requirement was discussed long ago in a case called Muscat versus Mellon. And, and I always remember that because there's a rat in the court.
Norm Murdock [:You you have a
Steve Palmer [:yeah. It's gotta be a case or controversy.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:But there's an exception. And the exception was in Singleton versus Wolf, I think. And a perfect example of this is Roe versus Wade because some cases are, quote, capable of repetition yet evading review. So if you've got, say, abortion and you wanna go get an abortion and the law doesn't let you get an abortion, well, you're gonna have your baby by the time the Supreme Court ever decides it. But the Supreme Court will take cases like that because that's always gonna be the situation. It'll repeat yet evade Supreme Court review. So they will take those decisions as an exception to the case or controversy rule. So I guess my answer to you is this.
Steve Palmer [:Eventually, we're gonna get a decision on some of these voting issues
Norm Murdock [:Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:And they won't apply retroactively because it's too late.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. They're not gonna tell
Steve Palmer [:Proactively, they will.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. They're not gonna tell a governor that's been sworn in or a president that, hey, But you're now kicked out of office because we've decided the election didn't have integrity. That's just not you know, we need to revote. I mean, that
Steve Palmer [:But they can decide it, and the decision can have impact going forward on how things are gonna happen.
Norm Murdock [:So I think this this technical, as you said, procedural, decision, it was timed by the supreme court to come out prior to the deadline for printing the ballots in Arizona.
Steve Palmer [:For sure.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. So so they did a great job here. I you know, even if I don't agree with half of the decision, I agree with the idea that the supreme court passed muster on at least the mechanics of what's gonna happen.
Steve Palmer [:They they gave some guidance, enough to let things go. And, you know, interestingly, you had Alito, Gorsuch would have granted a complete stay. They would have they would have, allowed the entire law to go into effect.
Norm Murdock [:Yep.
Steve Palmer [:Sotomayor, Kagan, Amy Coney Barrett, and Jackson would have denied. They would they would have, kept the law out of they would have not let the law remain intact while it's getting decided. Yeah. And then you had, right. Sorry. I lost track where it was.
Norm Murdock [:1 of 1 of the one of the majority justices switched and went with, the liberal wing of the Supreme Court, including Barrett on, striking, if you will, for not allowing the Arizona law on the other provisions for mail in ballots to go forward.
Steve Palmer [:So basically, you got Kavanaugh here as the swing vote.
Norm Murdock [:The split decision. Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:You got Kavanaugh as the swing vote.
Norm Murdock [:Interestingly, the DNC is announcing this decision as a victory for them.
Steve Palmer [:And they're not. The RNC.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. So
Steve Palmer [:they both split the baby.
Norm Murdock [:They split the baby. So, the the thing that I'm excited about is that maybe it's awakening in their minds at the Supreme Court that they they gotta get involved in this stuff, ahead of time if they see a, as you say, a repeatable scenario where the outcome of the election can't really be challenged post facto. And and they're throwing out these cases based on standing or other reasons. And citizens are going, well, what the hell? We followed your rule book, Supreme Court.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:And and and you're not hearing these issues. And the American people are getting more and more upset that that that they think, for example, in our state, Frank LaRose, secretary of state, just sent to our attorney general Dave Yost, 600 names of noncitizens that were that illegally registered. It it's a felony. Right? Illegally registered to vote in Ohio. And so we'll see what Dave Yost does with those 600 people.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. Look. I I have actually defended a couple cases of voter fraud type cases over the years, not anything recent, but it happens. People get prosecuted. I mean, the question is it's like I've always said this, and not always, but I have this sort of, I don't know, tongue in cheek theory that the governments are always they're gonna find as much fraud as they want to. You know, it's like because all you have to do is look.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. You know, you're gonna out
Steve Palmer [:there. It's like if if you staff up an administrative agency and and give them the job to go find fraud Right. Well, they get to define what fraud is. They get to define what the rules are. They get to define how the rules get broken, and then they got boots on the ground that are getting paid to go find it. They're gonna find it.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:And I guess my point is some of that will be legit, some will be gray, and some of it will be illegitimate. But you're gonna find voter fraud if you start looking for
Norm Murdock [:it. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of fraud and switching topics, if if if we're done, switching topics. So the Bureau of Labor Statistics, came out with a revision. And this has been a constant Biden administration thing where they say the jobs picture is much more rosy. And then a month or 2 later, they revised the number, you know, to a to a real number. And and just this week, the Bureau of Labor Statistics came out and said, oops.
Norm Murdock [:Actually, 8800,000 818,000 more people were unemployed during the last reporting period than we said. And, of course, that statistic is partly what the Fed uses to decide it has been using with these quarter percent increases in the federal, borrowing rate. And, the Fed has been talking now in view of this, the rosy number, but now it's been revised downward by almost a 1000000 people, 818,000. The Fed had been talking about maybe as much as a 1% cut in the, in the federal, borrowing rate. And, oh, one wonders now, are they gonna follow through on that? I I think they're gonna cut the rate somewhat, but maybe not the whole 1%.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. It's just lies, lies. More lies, damn lies. It's just lies. It just it just lies. And I I'm not suggesting it's even just the Democrats. Like, this is the government folks. It it's like
Norm Murdock [:Incompetent.
Steve Palmer [:We we have we have created a power structure that the government needs to maintain its power, and they have a self interest in doing it, these individuals. I mean, it's like these are lies. They just freaking lie.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. I I mean, the incompetence was on full display a month ago, right,
Steve Palmer [:where,
Norm Murdock [:you know, a building that's that was like a 150 yards away from the speaker stand was not covered by the Secret Service. I mean, just and I and I heard recently, you know, finally, some federal agents in the secret service were suspended this week.
Steve Palmer [:I saw some meme on, you know, it was YouTube or whatever. But it was like it was like
Norm Murdock [:I mean, they can't do anything. Right?
Steve Palmer [:Right. It's like somebody saying, well, the government sort of sucks, and it's it's like it's the incompetence is astounding. And, you know, I can't say that the government's behind the assassination attempt of Trump. But it if you could if you could sort of analyze what it would look like if the government were behind the assassination of Trump, it would look a lot like this, like a failed attempt, incompetence. Yeah. You know, and he's joking. He's not saying the government is, but he's saying it's just it's just the incompetence of it is so astounding.
Norm Murdock [:It's it's breathtaking. Right? So, you know, I'm I'm just a bumbling regular citizen. Right? And and and I think anybody, right, with any common sense would go out there, stand in that fairgrounds, and look around at the buildings and say, yeah. We need a guy on that building. Right. That I mean, come on.
Steve Palmer [:We should probably check that roof. Yeah. Jeez. There might be a guy up there with a with a in fact, didn't somebody tell us that there's a guy up there with a gun? Well, Norm, why don't you go check that out?
Norm Murdock [:They did
Steve Palmer [:let's just get crazy and make sure
Norm Murdock [:diddled around for an hour. But I'm I'm going I
Steve Palmer [:know it's a high roof, and you gotta get the ladder out, and I know that it's hot. Please just go check that out. You know? That way, we can if nothing else, let's just cover our own asses and say that we did. Right. Nope.
Norm Murdock [:I mean, 60 years ago, right, they had Lee Hart Lee Harvey Oswald climb the stairs of the, book you know, Texas book depository. Right? And and, I mean, he got to high ground and he shot the president. This is And
Steve Palmer [:who would think that could happen?
Norm Murdock [:It is I don't know. I just it's unreal. Hey. Anyway well, let's you wanna talk about the, convention which ended last night?
Steve Palmer [:The convention. Yeah.
Norm Murdock [:Or the estrogen convention or whatever that was. The estrogen. Signs all over the United Arena saying trust women. It was a female. It felt like some kind of a tough
Steve Palmer [:Trust women, but not Amy Coney Barrett. How about Kelsey Gabbard? Right.
Norm Murdock [:We're
Steve Palmer [:gonna trust her?
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:I mean,
Norm Murdock [:not not Nikki Haley, not Jean Kirkpatrick, not, you know
Steve Palmer [:Like, they didn't trust they didn't even their own women.
Norm Murdock [:Not to Lisa Rice.
Steve Palmer [:They didn't trust even their own women to come in. I mean, it's like, they don't trust any of them. No. They just it's all a power grab.
Norm Murdock [:Just trust this particular woman, you know, Kamala Harris, who is running away from her record at I mean, she came out with an economic
Steve Palmer [:Oh my goodness.
Norm Murdock [:Speech a week ago. And at the convention, not a single word of it was breathed by her or anybody else.
Steve Palmer [:She just she just She
Norm Murdock [:just running
Steve Palmer [:from her record. Really think that she can just say, okay. I got a I got a solution for the problem, guys. We're just not gonna let the bread people charge you that much much money or that much money for bread. We're just gonna tell them they can't do it.
Norm Murdock [:So Kroger's annual report to their shareholders said their profit margin is 1.2%. That I mean, so for every dollar Kroger, you know, invests in their inventory, they get a penny.
Steve Palmer [:Well, so here's what but this is this is an interesting conversation because Kroger can handle that. So this is where scales matter. Right. Yeah. The the the scale of of your business matters. So Kroger, Walmart, Costco, Aldi, you know, these big boys. Right. They can function on a smaller profit margin Yep.
Steve Palmer [:Because the scale of their of their sales is so vast. Yeah. This like, in their own way I mean, it's not even in their own way. The the these people are advocating to tamp out the small businesses because Bob, the grocer on the corner, can't do it. He can't survive on 1 point or point 1 percent or whatever it is, 1.2%.
Norm Murdock [:No. You're you're being charged by the Wonder Bread Company, say, a dollar 50 for a loaf of bread and like in the Soviet Union, Kamala would order that that loaf be sold for a dollar 25. Well, what's gonna happen is the guy running the grocery store will say, hey, Wonder Bread, I can't I can't afford to buy your bread. So then there is this artificial shortage and Wonder starts selling back on the dock into the black market because they they need to stay in
Steve Palmer [:business. Or they go out of business, and they go and make bread. So look. Now now you have, like you said, a shortage, which is like a shortage of supply Yeah. And an increase in demand. Yeah. Like, who is something
Norm Murdock [:who's gonna force you to stay in business at a loss? You're not gonna do it.
Steve Palmer [:The the most important concept of economics and life, I think, that I have learned from reading and studying and and just sort of living at this till you get to a certain age is this idea of scarcity. Scarcity like, everything in human existence has a scarcity rating of some sort. Right. You know, nothing you have as much of as you possibly want.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:And if you do have as much as you possibly want, it becomes valueless. And if you have none of it, it becomes valueless because nobody you can't get it. So it has no value. Yeah. Now if you have just a little bit of something and it's in demand, the the the the value of it increases exponentially because there's not enough to go around. Right. So puts put a scarcity hold on something like food, and and let's just see how expensive it gets. And how does that happen in the first place? All these dumb policies that these idiots created in to go.
Steve Palmer [:It's like, alright. So gas prices are up. Guess what? It costs more for farmers to go make food. You don't like cattle, so we're gonna tax cattle. I don't know if this happened, but it's like, it's gonna be more expensive. So the more regulations you put on an industry, the more expensive it is for that industry to operate, and that gets passed along. And if or the the product they create becomes scarce because it tamps people out of business.
Norm Murdock [:And every now and then, the the Liberals will slip up and actually say the truth. Like when Obama was talking about getting rid of what he called dirty coal, which which fires like 1 third of the American power grid still. Mhmm. And he said
Steve Palmer [:And it's not dirty anymore, by the way. We gotta get the x check on this. Talk about that.
Norm Murdock [:That's it. And and the and the thing is he said, well, electrical rates will necessarily skyrocket. And the and the whoops. Oops. Did I say
Steve Palmer [:Well, they're happy about that because they want us to go live in, like, like, solar high rises that they get to control all the energy. But now, of course, I don't think they're gonna deprive themselves of energy.
Norm Murdock [:Right. Rolling brownouts in in California, and yet they want people to recharge their EVs. I'm like, what? With with what power?
Steve Palmer [:With what power?
Norm Murdock [:Do I get on a bicycle and put a generator on it?
Steve Palmer [:Oh, Gilligan did it.
Norm Murdock [:You know, the other, the other Kamala genius ideas were things like, we're gonna give $25,000 for first time homebuyers who who are in a certain protected class.
Steve Palmer [:No. No. No. We're gonna solve the housing shortage that we created.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. The subprime crisis, right, of 20 years ago is completely forgotten. Right? You know, now the federal government's gonna get back into disqualified people with bad credit or no credit, you know, and helping them It just enter into a contract to buy a home that they can't pay for.
Steve Palmer [:It's just so insane.
Norm Murdock [:Here we go again.
Steve Palmer [:It's so insane.
Norm Murdock [:It's like they don't learn.
Steve Palmer [:Well, now I know, Norm. They've let how many 1000000 people into the country, giving them, like, here's your free phone.
Norm Murdock [:Right. You're
Steve Palmer [:gonna get some welfare. Here's your health care.
Norm Murdock [:Four star hotel rooms.
Steve Palmer [:Go live somewhere. So you've created a housing shortage. Right. And now you're gonna solve the problem you created. And instead of that, you're actually gonna perpetuate the problem you created because you're gonna give people housing that they can't afford
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. And the city at
Steve Palmer [:a cost to us.
Norm Murdock [:And the city in New York, for example, can't afford. 1 third of their convention hotel rooms are now filled with, illegals. And Hyatt, I think it was Hyatt or Holiday Inn sued one of their franchisees because they're violating their franchise agreement in New York City that says you can't block out. You can't contract out your entire set of rooms if you're gonna be part of our network because we can't we can't
Steve Palmer [:we we put people there like we put it yeah we use those
Norm Murdock [:we use those we our reservation system now no longer can because you're taking this enormous amount of money from the city of New York to house these people more or less permanently in in your hotel and
Steve Palmer [:and so So this is this back to the communist fascist state. This is that's what this is.
Norm Murdock [:That's right.
Steve Palmer [:You've got the government taking over private industry.
Norm Murdock [:So Steve, and probably the most outrageous of Kamala's ideas, again, which he didn't talk about at the convention, was taxing you on unrealized capital gains. So so let's say a farmer bought his land, okay, for I don't know. He bought 50 acres for $22,100,000, you know,
Steve Palmer [:for He didn't even buy it. He inherited it from grandpa. When grandpa died, he took grandpa's basis. So it was worth it was worth a 100,000 when grandpa died.
Norm Murdock [:And now it's worth $5,000,000. And at 20% of the unrealized gain, that's what they're talking about, between 20 25% if you're a multimillionaire. They're going to make those people pay 20, 25 percent of the value current value as estimated by who god knows who. This farmer would have to then sell say say his say his property is appraised for $5,000,000. 20% of that is $1,000,000, but he doesn't have a $1,000,000 in the bank.
Steve Palmer [:It's not like he sold it.
Norm Murdock [:No. He didn't sell it.
Steve Palmer [:It's unrealized. So we gotta talk about first what a capital gain is. A capital gain is when you're something you own, whether it's a dollar or whether it's a house or whether it's land or whether it's a a car that goes up in value and you sell it. You pay what's called capital gains. Now I have a problem with capital gains to begin with because it's already a tax dollar that I put to work.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:Right. But let's just assume that capital gain well, they are capital gains already exist, so let's just live in that world. So I own this building, and let's just say I bought it for a $100 and I sell it for $10,000. When I sell it, I'm having a what's called a taxable event to the tune of $9,999. And and the capital gains rate is usually about 20% plus whatever you pay at the state level, so 23, 24%.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:Ordinary income rates are usually higher than that, so you're paying less than what you would pay on on income tax. But capital gains, I would pay, and I would pay that when I sold the building. Now there there are other options that you can use. Like, people call it 1031 like kind exchange. If I went and bought another building after I sold mine, then I could just sort of push off exchange. If I went and bought another building after I sold mine, then I could just sort of push off that gain into the new building until I
Norm Murdock [:sell that one. So what
Steve Palmer [:they're talking about doing is taxing me right now even though I didn't sell the building.
Norm Murdock [:It's unbelievable.
Steve Palmer [:So I've got the building. It's worth $10,000. They wanna tax me on $9,999 even though there has been no event that gave me the cash. Right. That so think about that.
Norm Murdock [:That's crazy.
Steve Palmer [:Think what you're doing to be well, first of all, think and and who's gonna tell me what it's worth like you said? Well, the government. That's like asking a barber if you need a haircut.
Norm Murdock [:So here's a question, vice president Harris. What if that building Steve just talked about falls down in an earthquake and he doesn't have insurance? Do you refund him No.
Steve Palmer [:No. No.
Norm Murdock [:The $20,000?
Steve Palmer [:So you have bad policy because you're not funding the police. My building is now located in a crime ridden area. And instead of being I bought it for 10,000. Now it's only worth a dollar. Do I get a deduction?
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. Does he get his money back? You're gonna cut him a check for the $20?
Steve Palmer [:I don't need my money back. I just want a deduction. So I I I don't wanna pay it's not only that I shouldn't have to pay tax. I should get money back. I should get a refund. Right. Or they should take it off my future income. In fact, that's what's gonna happen.
Steve Palmer [:So and then then think of that incentive. So I'm gonna go buy a bunch of distressed property for cheap knowing it's gonna go down anyway and then start pushing my losses off,
Norm Murdock [:on my ordinary income? Assuming this would even, feature the ability to recoup losses, which
Steve Palmer [:Well, how I mean
Norm Murdock [:I don't think that's their goal. Their goal is to tax you on what you own.
Steve Palmer [:We only take it when it goes up in value, and that's that. So you're you're taxing people on stuff they already own. It's insane.
Norm Murdock [:So let me speak to the women of America. So you have maybe over the lifetime, you know, collected various jewelry items. Maybe a Cartier watch or, you know, maybe a Rolex or, you know, something and and diamonds and gold and whatever that your husband or that, you know, you've bought yourself or or whatever. Imagine what this actually will come to. It's we're we're gonna talk about home inspections by the government.
Steve Palmer [:That's right. Brown shirt inspections, I'll call it.
Norm Murdock [:To find your artwork, to find your jewelry, to find your oh my god. I mean, here we go.
Steve Palmer [:We did a search of your credit card records and we noticed that in, you know, 2 years ago, you you bought a diamond for $5,000. We'd like to come
Norm Murdock [:appraise that. Oh, I lost it
Steve Palmer [:in a boating accident. Would you provide proof, please? Come on. So it's just like there's no no chance of corruption there.
Norm Murdock [:No. Right. No. Not at all. You know, you know, here here here you go, mister IRS inspector. You know, is there some kind of gratuity that I can provide today for you?
Steve Palmer [:Well, how many IRS agents are we gonna need to go enforce this new policy? And how much is that gonna cost? Because it's probably gonna cost almost as much as what you're gonna grab.
Norm Murdock [:And they're gonna be flipping mattresses. They're gonna they're gonna be tossing your house to find all this shit. I mean It's
Steve Palmer [:not a search. It's just an administrative inspection.
Norm Murdock [:Oh, and here we found a gun with a bump stock. So so let me call my buddy over at the ATF to come in here and raid you.
Steve Palmer [:Like, this stuff, it just it sounds so good. You know what it sounds good too? It's like young college age kids who don't have any money. They just it's like they get they get so indoctrinated with this crap. It's like, oh, these rich people. If you just gave a $1,000,000 to me, I'd be so much better off. And, you know, not only would that it's not true. Right? Because by and large, people gifted money like that without any sort of experience or education or or life, lessons to handle it. Right.
Steve Palmer [:It's usually gone, or they become addicts or it's like Like like lottery winners. Like lottery winners. Not not only do they almost always lose their money, they're they almost always are less even if they didn't, they're not as happy as they were before or they're equally sad.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. You know, the the thing that that really the thing that struck me was some of the use of actually Nazi words at the convention. So they kept talking about strength through joy. Right?
Steve Palmer [:I know.
Norm Murdock [:That's actually a Nazi program which
Steve Palmer [:And Stalin. Like, there's there's a bunch of old,
Norm Murdock [:Which which is the classic, you know, we're gonna set up entertainment, you know, for the masses to distract them from their misery, which ancient Rome did, right, with the Colosseums, which the Nazis would take You're happy. Oh, you're happy. You're go go on a cruise in the Baltic Sea on a Nazi yacht, you know, on a vacation. Right?
Steve Palmer [:It's so joyous.
Norm Murdock [:For for 7 days and then go back to the Volkswagen factory and stamp out, you know, more, armored personnel carriers for the for the, the Wehrmacht. I mean, strength through joy? Really? How about how about you just let us determine what gives us joy? Right? And we'll make our own decisions. We don't need you, Kamala, to decide what brings joy to our lives, you know. And and and Obama's facile, talk about tolerating, We're the party of tolerance and we're the party not. We're the party of openness and the party of transparency and we believe in free speech. All this crap Obama is is is saying up on the dais And and and in actual fact, right, they're sending people to Silicon Valley to choke off our ability to talk to each other and to to to have free speech.
Steve Palmer [:In free speech as long as you agree with them. That that's that's the bottom line. Because everything, if you disagree with them, not only is that, quote, disinformation. We have to be careful of disinformation, which implies that somebody is the arbiter of truth Exactly. To figure out what is disinformation, first of all.
Norm Murdock [:And they did try to institute of truth.
Steve Palmer [:They Biden had it on his agenda
Norm Murdock [:at one point. Had it on the agenda. You know, the hive mind mentality at that was on display at the convention was, was shocking to me. You know, with with, Hill I'll give Hillary credit in her speech. She didn't dance around, call it reproductive freedom or or, you know, reproductive rights. She called what they were talking about abortion. She used the a word. She was the only person there over the 4 nights that actually talked about unfettered, no guardrails up to the day of birth abortion.
Norm Murdock [:And that's you know, in Ohio, that's what we have. The people voted for that, and and that's a system we have. And I'm sure the legislature is trying to to to put some guardrails, but it's a constitutional amendment now in Ohio. So so I don't know what they're bitching about.
Steve Palmer [:Well, they're making
Norm Murdock [:Post Roe, they won. They they they they control abortion in Ohio. It's way more lax than Roe ever was.
Steve Palmer [:I mean, look. What this and this is this is what's so this is sad that our state of affairs has come to this. Because on the one side, they're these joyous, happy people, and you got this sort of Ed Asner looking coach who's who's, who's, who's
Norm Murdock [:Who really didn't coach and really wasn't a soldier.
Steve Palmer [:Boy, that guy, man.
Norm Murdock [:I mean, what a clown. Right?
Steve Palmer [:So you got this sort of likable, old man Yeah. And you've got this joyous woman and no policy, no description of what she wants. And whenever she opens her mouth about what she wants, it's like this horrible thought of, like, communist price fixing.
Norm Murdock [:And she's given no interviews and not even to liberals like Katie Couric or or, you know, or Rachel the mad cow. She hasn't even had an interview with with Friendly Media. She has embargoed herself for for almost 30 days, and she's running for president 0.
Steve Palmer [:It like, there's inter but let me finish that thought, though. Because on the other side, then you've got Trump, and we hate him because he's he's mean. And he says foul things at times, and his tweet button was a little bit offensive. So we've got, like, the joyous people or the offensive person. And nobody's really looking at what their policies are. Because if you look at what Trump is saying about abortion, for instance, it's, like, it's it's it's pretty darn moderate, if not a little bit liberal.
Norm Murdock [:It it is. It is. And And he's always been like that.
Steve Palmer [:I agree with him on the fact that it ought to go back to the states. And when we get down to the grassroots of what I honestly and personally think about abortion, I you know, whether I agree with him or not, I do agree with the policy that this is a state level decision where we can at least vote and the policies can change with the voters. Yeah. And then economically, look, I I I don't Trump is far more
Norm Murdock [:Oh my god.
Steve Palmer [:Spendy and meddlesome than I would want, to to function.
Norm Murdock [:He's no conservative. I
Steve Palmer [:mean He is no conservative. Right? And but they've made him into this guy. They've just made their beast, and they're gonna fight that beast. It's it's like this mythical thing now.
Norm Murdock [:Well, they're hanging that 2025 heritage thing on him, and he has rejected it. I don't know how many a 100 times.
Steve Palmer [:I I would I would bet my salary. Trump has not read a word of it.
Norm Murdock [:Oh, he said, in fact, when it was sent to him, I won't read it. Don't send me another copy. So you're correct. He hasn't read it. He wants nothing to do with it. It's a Heritage Foundation white paper that somehow they the DNC is trying to attach to Trump even though he has openly and forthrightly rejected it.
Steve Palmer [:But it's working because nobody digs behind the scenes of any of this stuff. Like, you asked that I saw these people on the street asked, who are you voting for? And, you know, I'm for Harris. Why? I don't know. Yeah. And they're like, that's a good question. Well, Mike Trump is a great friend.
Norm Murdock [:Told me.
Steve Palmer [:I'm sure some people answer because we're not seeing the whole sample. But I'll bet you the people that answered by and large says because I hate Trump.
Norm Murdock [:So the the emasculation of the country was physically on display at the DNC. They literally had a vasectomy truck parked outside the United Center for men to go into and and, you know, whether they're low t or or not. But go ahead and get your vasectomy. And I It's like, what is that? I mean, what is that? Right? Why not have an abortion van right next to it and just tell the Pragers, you know, that are in the in the stadium that, hey, listen. If you if you wanna get rid of that viable tissue mass
Steve Palmer [:I mean, look. I can appreciate if a guy wants to get a vasectomy. I could care less if you wanna sterilize yourself. It doesn't make any difference to me. And I think there's probably good reasons that people do it. I have friends that have done it. You know, they've had their kids. They don't wanna go back or whatever it would
Norm Murdock [:be. Whatever.
Steve Palmer [:But to tout it as something political outside your convention, I it's like, what is that? I don't even understand it. It's like, we hate people so much that we wanna limit our population going forward, but not for us. So Dana Bash? Not for us living people.
Norm Murdock [:So Dana Bash was caught speculating that people like, Kamala's husband and, Tim Walz, the, vice presidential candidate, that they were presenting an alternative male role model, to America. And and and she said and it would be somebody who doesn't walk around with guns and watch Hulk Hogan and and she she she rolled out all these stereotypes of what she thought manly men were like. And the most manly thing a manly man can do is tolerate a difference of opinion. And that's what I would say is the most manly thing and that's western. Western culture is to hash out things in a nonviolent way like we used to do on college campuses instead of them being reeducation camps.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. And then instead of throwing tantrums at anybody who disagrees with you and worry about triggering somebody
Norm Murdock [:that's triggering you. Shut up. You can't talk.
Steve Palmer [:Shut up. It just is, you know, what about the guy who who has a family and kids and goes to work and comes home every day and and does everything he can to, support the well-being of his family? Is that manly?
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. That's manly.
Steve Palmer [:Seems pretty manly to me. Alright. So let's talk about, I know it's a couple weeks old, but, you know, we've got a local here in Columbus. Yeah. Or used to be a local here in Columbus, Kirk Herbstreit, but he's in Ohio, boy. He was out in
Norm Murdock [:I think his kid plays local football here. Right?
Steve Palmer [:I think he's moved now. Oh, okay. But, he was from, where was that? Not Dayton. Somewhere in the Dayton area.
Norm Murdock [:Quarterback for Ohio State University.
Steve Palmer [:Quarterback for Ohio State.
Norm Murdock [:Current commentator on ESPN.
Steve Palmer [:Worked his ranks up to become one of the game day guys on ESPN for college football.
Norm Murdock [:Kirk Herbstreit.
Steve Palmer [:Kirk Herbstreit. But he sort of comes out of closet.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. Right? Kinda like Michelle Tafoya and several other ex, sports commentators are slowly kinda coming out Against Jason. Whitlock.
Steve Palmer [:Against the DEI. Yeah. So what's give us the give us the details.
Norm Murdock [:Well, basically, it was on trans athletes competing, like, for example, in the boxing in the women's boxing in the Olympics. And what and Leah Thomas, you know, a man with his package still there swimming in NC 2A meets and wanting to be on the US Olympic team. And apparently, at the Olympics, what they took for proof of your gender was what your passport says. Okay? And this boxer, for example, that Herbstreit was commenting about, this boxer from, I think, Spain or somewhere, he actually his or Algeria, wherever he was from, but he he was tested for chromosomes. He has x y chromosomes. He he's a man. X y. Right? So he's not a female and but yet his passport says he is a female.
Norm Murdock [:So the IOC allowed him to box women because his passport, you know, he identifies as a woman. So old Kirk. Even though biologically, he's a man.
Steve Palmer [:An old Kirk comes out He says that's great. And he says, look. I I know it's not popular. I know that people but I just can't sit on this anymore. I just don't think that that men should compete against women in athletics. And he basically was pretty clear about it.
Norm Murdock [:Girls are getting hurt. Yeah. I don't know. Like, if you watch the male basketball and the female basketball, the male water polo and the female water polo, it's a whole different level of aggression.
Steve Palmer [:And it doesn't mean that women are worse, guys. I mean, this is what's so stupid. This is like the you have to believe the lies, lies, damn lies. Right. It's it's not that women are worse. No. It's just that they are different. So the women's basketball is not the same as men's basketball.
Steve Palmer [:Women's tennis is not the same as men's tennis. And I am the first one to admit there are probably I would probably lose to any professional woman tennis player because I suck at tennis. Yeah. But put a professional women like, the McEnroe interview. Put a professional women's tennis player against a professional man. It's not even a match.
Norm Murdock [:Right.
Steve Palmer [:It's not even close. And that's it's like that at the elite levels of almost any athletics. Yeah. So look, don't act like it's not. Yeah. And then, you know, it's like the old Clint Eastwood, dirty or not dirty Harry, Josie Wales. Don't piss down my neck and tell me it's raining. You know? And that that's what they're doing.
Steve Palmer [:It's it's it's total BS. So
Norm Murdock [:Right. The you know, it just I think, Herb Street probably feels
Steve Palmer [:Well, he's got he's got he's bulletproof. And he's got f u money.
Norm Murdock [:I don't know. He's he's So if they fire him,
Steve Palmer [:they fire him.
Norm Murdock [:He'll he'll
Steve Palmer [:go he'll just go do it.
Norm Murdock [:But it but this is what is going you know, and frankly, I'm a little frustrated other than Riley Gaines and, and, the former Bruce Jenner, Caitlyn Jenner. Other than a few you know, he identifies as a woman. Right? Other than a few real, you know, celebrities like that, it's a little thin. The the female side of the equation, which shocks me, where where are the female celebrities
Steve Palmer [:on the What if we what if what would like, they're saying female for president or whatever, but does that include a trans guy if he were running? I mean, would that be the same? Right. Would they would they celebrate that just as much, or they have to celebrate that person because he's marginalized for being trans? It's like, eventually I've said this before. There's no bottom to this. You can you can divide infinitely,
Norm Murdock [:and it has
Steve Palmer [:no bottom. And eventually, they get divided up. And it's starting you're starting to see, like, the Herbstreets coming out. I think Jack Daniels like, you're starting to see companies eliminate their DEI programs. They're they're fine. I think Jack Daniels was the most recent one
Norm Murdock [:Yeah.
Steve Palmer [:That comes out of Woodwork and said
Norm Murdock [:Harley Davidson.
Steve Palmer [:Harley Davidson did the same. Exposed.
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. So A lot of bikers going to Indians now. I'm just saying. Yeah. You know what I mean? They're the a lot of Harley people are very disappointed.
Steve Palmer [:Are American brands, and it's not that it's and they're gonna say, well, that's the old racist. No. It's not. It's not. These are iconic. They're iconic. They're iconic. So these stand for freedom.
Steve Palmer [:Right? So but look. Are there racist people who own Harley's? Almost certainly. Are there racist people who drink Jack Daniels? Almost certainly.
Norm Murdock [:But it's not racism
Steve Palmer [:to find the brand.
Norm Murdock [:It's not racism to not be in favor of of a a male boxer beating the crap out of a female.
Steve Palmer [:That's not racism. That's a phobia. That's what I'm Transphobia.
Norm Murdock [:But but they're calling it all hate.
Steve Palmer [:Right. It's all hate.
Norm Murdock [:It's all hate. I don't hate the boxer. What I hate, if if anything, is the rule set that allows a man to defeat a female boxer in the Olympics. She's trained her whole life to be a boxer. And in 30 seconds, he has her beat to the mat, and she cries uncle. And if you call that a success for females, I Kamala, are you standing up for females? No. You're not.
Steve Palmer [:They she is or she isn't or she's doing both, and it just depends on what,
Norm Murdock [:what lane she's
Steve Palmer [:talking about. So well, look. We're an hour and change in. Do we wanna write? You got one more?
Norm Murdock [:Yeah. So I wanna talk a little bit about the canary in the coal mine, which I call the United Kingdom or England or Great Britain.
Steve Palmer [:Oh, yeah. We gotta talk. So we're we're at risk.
Norm Murdock [:We're at risk. So so what they are enforcing over there is any kind of hate speech is now illegal. So for example, the female, lady praying silently to herself without any exterior like, her hands weren't folded in prayer. She didn't carry a sign. She was on the opposite side of the street standing in a public sidewalk across from an abortion clinic and she was silent. She wasn't saying anything. She wasn't accosting anybody. She wasn't convincing anybody.
Norm Murdock [:She wasn't talking. No sign. No nothing. The police went over to her because there was a court order that told her to stay away. Right? So she was across the street. She wasn't on the same side. The police went over there and said, what are you doing? And she said, I'm praying to myself. And she and he said, well, what are you praying about? I'm praying for the victims of abortions that are happening in that clinic.
Norm Murdock [:That's what I'm praying to myself about silently here. And they arrested her. And she just got a nice big fat judgment against the, British police. We'll see if it holds up for them violating, her right to be silent. Right? Like being silent now is it it literally was a thought crime. Right? It couldn't be more Orwellian. And then just this week, a man in Great Britain, again, canary in the coal mine, this is where we're going in the United States. He had a t shirt or some kinda, article on him that said and I'm paraphrasing, but I'm pretty close.
Norm Murdock [:95% sure. It said, oh, it's okay to be white and reject white guilt. Okay? He had a couple of of of of, phrases on or about his person. He just got 2 years in prison for that because the judge said, I can see that you did this because you're a racist and therefore, you gotta go to prison.
Steve Palmer [:Yeah. This is thought police again. And look. The look. Along those lines, the London Metropolitan Police Commissioner, Mark Raleigh, he now says that the UK you the UK authorities will use full force of the law against people who commit online crimes even if they are not in the country. They come in response to a Sky News report. That's the Aussies over there that have a conservative, bent, asking about post made by Elon or not Sky News. They're not the conservative ones.
Steve Palmer [:But, anyway, that either way, here's the bottom line. If you're posting stuff they don't like Right.
Norm Murdock [:Then they're on social media.
Steve Palmer [:They're on social media. Yeah. They're claiming they're gonna try to extradite us. Now if this doesn't hearken just a little bit Just a little bit. To, like, Boston Yeah. And and and the British, colonization and and what they and what was going on here that created things like the Sons of Liberty and the Gadsden flag and everything else, It's like, look, you tried this crap. Right. And and this is this is important for us to note.
Steve Palmer [:I I when like you said, well, maybe it's the, canary in the coal mine, sort of the litmus test for United States. I sort of disagree with that because then when people give me the argument, like, wow, you know, they don't have guns in Britain, I said, yeah, we left on purpose. Right. And then when they followed us, we kicked them out on purpose. And the reason we did that is because Americans are different. Right? We are different. We have a different ilk. Well, the second like our freedom.
Norm Murdock [:The second amendment is not about gun collecting or hunting.
Steve Palmer [:We have a first amendment. We have a second amendment.
Norm Murdock [:And it's about it's it's about protecting ourselves against tyranny.
Steve Palmer [:Yes.
Norm Murdock [:That's what the second amendment is for. It's not about gun collecting. It's not about hunting. It has nothing to do with ARs and AKs. Yeah. It has to do with the people having the means to revolt against a tyrant.
Steve Palmer [:And this is, like, if they honestly I I I I think this is BS. I think this is tower puffing more than anything. I don't think they're ever gonna try to extradite an American citizen, like Elon Musk or anyone else for tweeting stuff that they don't like.
Norm Murdock [:I wish they would try.
Steve Palmer [:I wish it. But you know what? It's like it it is an extension of where this goes because, like, this is this idea of the world being governing it, like, one world government and air it's like this is this is it's like the it's like the forefront of what we're dealing with right now. And if this starts to happen, I think there will be conflict on a scale that people can't imagine.
Norm Murdock [:Well, this is like liberal Sharia law courts, which, you know, like, you go up into Dearborn, Michigan, they actually have Sharia courts that religiously enforce Muslim regulations on the people and and punish them within the religion. You know, like, you you can't go out. You gotta wear an ankle bracelet or whatever. Like like, they're doing there's an alternative judicial system in America, and that's what this UK thing would be like. It would be like them controlling American expression and free amendment or or first amendment rights from afar, from another country. You know, China's been trying to do that. They tried to control the organization that oversees the Internet. China wanted leadership in that.
Steve Palmer [:Yep. I mean No. Like, this is this is dangerous
Norm Murdock [:stuff. Bad stuff, man.
Steve Palmer [:Alright. Well, with that, we gotta wrap it up. We are, another hour and change into Common Sense, Ohio. You've I'm sure you've had your fill enough for the week, but never fear. We'll be back next week. You never have to wait very long because week in and week out, we are coming at you with commonsenseohioshow.com. See what I did there? I combined the website with the name. Nice.
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