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S1 E02 - Cannabis Biomass Selection And Extraction Preparation
Episode 229th December 2020 • The Modern Extractor • Jason Showard
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Learn the tricks of the trade when it comes to selecting the highest quality biomass and preparing it for extraction. Jason talks to Bri Tolp of Futurola about how their shredders are the best tool for getting to your ideal mill size.


Jason Showard - 00:00:10 

Hello and welcome to Episode two of The Modern Extractor, a podcast focusing on the processes, equipment, and science found inside a cannabis extraction lab. I'm your host, Jason Showered, and I work professionally in the cannabis extraction field. If you've listened to any of the previous shows, you know that season one is focused on ethanol extraction and post-processing. And each episode focuses on a particular stage in that process following the material through the lab from start to finish. If you haven't listened to any of the previous shows, welcome to the Modern Extractor. 

Jason Showard - 00:00:40 

In today's show, we'll be talking about how to select the right biomass for extraction, as well as how to prepare that biomass for the most efficient extraction possible. We'll have Bri Tolp from Futurola on with us later in the show to talk about how their shredders are the best tool to get you to your ideal mill size. But first, let's talk a bit about how to find good material to extract from. Obviously, the easiest way to do this is to get a sample, send it to a lab, wait for the results, and then purchase material that meets the right cannabinoid concentration specs for whatever you're trying to produce. 


Jason Showard - 00:01:12 

In a perfect world, there would always be time for this and it's absolutely how it's done for the large-scale industrial operations. It's really important to buy this way if you're a CBD producer buying hemp, so that you can ensure the material is not too high in THC content. Buying hot hemp could actually cost you more in chromatography to remediate the THC from the final product than the CBD will be worth in the end. There isn't always time to wait for lab results in the procurement process. 


Jason Showard - 00:01:38 

And this is where an experienced eye can make a big difference in your bottom line. If you're at the scale where you're extracting a thousand pounds or more weekly, it's unlikely that all your biomass is coming from the same farm all year round. That means that there's likely to be a broker involved who is collecting from a bunch of different farms to sell to extractors. With that being the case, there are often many different batches of biomass added to one load. 


Jason Showard - 00:02:00 

Hopefully they're separated, often they aren't. Hopefully the broker will tell you the story behind the load, but well, brokers. And even if you trust your broker, he could have been misled. So a thorough inspection isn't rude. It's just good business. First things first. We're going to look at all the different bags. The actual physical bags that the material's inside of. Not every farm packs their material up the same way. Not every store sells the same bags. 


Jason Showard - 00:02:26 

Is there any tape on any of the bags? How are they closed or tied? This will be our first clue as to whether or not there are multiple batches in the load. If there does appear to be multiple batches, we're going to want to open and inspect a couple of bags from each. Dig down past the top and into the middle of the bag. Get a good handful, pull it out, palm up, give it a good squeeze in your hand and then let go. 


Jason Showard - 00:02:48 

Good material will stick together when you let go and keep the same basic shape it was when it was squeezed in your hand. We call this the squeeze test. After the squeeze, rub it together between your hands like you're warming up at a fire. See how crumbly it is. If it turns to dust, it's not ideal, but it'll still work if it passed the squeeze. The best-case scenario is that it breaks a little, but still some moisture content. 


Jason Showard - 00:03:09 

So it rolls around and compresses and sticks to your hands a little instead of powdering. Leaving a little of what you just rolled around in your hands. Bring both hands up to your face and get your face down in there. You know what smell you're looking for. One thing to pay attention to with the smell test is the presence of any alcohol or solvent odors. Keep your eyes open when you get your face down into your hands to give it a smell. 


Jason Showard - 00:03:30 

If your nose misses it, your eyes may water a bit in the presence of solvents. While the industry is slowly cleaning itself out and the honorable business folks are rising to the top, there are certainly some bad actors out there still in the mix. Some rascally brokers have even been known to sell material that's already been processed. This is referred to as Spun Trim. If it appears to have been processed with alcohol in a centrifuge or Blown Trim if it appears to have been run through a hydrocarbon column. I've even seen some “fresh trim” come in that still holds the shape of the column it was processed in. 


Jason Showard - 00:04:04 

This will look like little biomass hockey pucks that are usually three to six inches in diameter. There are some vapor probes you can buy for this, but I find them less reliable than these inspections. As you process material, pay attention to what your own processed material looks and feels like after it's had a chance to dry out. If it looks and acts like that, don't buy it. OK, so we've got our hands on some good quality biomass. Our lab tests came back at 12 percent. 


Jason Showard - 00:04:29 

It squeezes and smells nice and sticks to our hands and it's going to make some beautiful goldies. The next step in ensuring we get everything we can out of this material, is to make sure that it's milled to the ideal particle size. There's a bunch of machines out there that say they do this the best, and many a booth full of promises at BizCon. Extractors use everything from shredders to hammer mills, to mulchers, blenders, food processors, you name it. If it chops things up, we've tried it. 


Jason Showard - 00:04:56 

If there's one thing not lacking in this community, it's innovation and willingness to think outside the box. For about a hundred bucks at your favorite big box hardware store, you can get a Toro mulcher that'll do the trick. But it's a bit of a pain to use. When you run it forward, it's a leaf blower that blows air, and in reverse, it's a mulcher that sucks material through the metal fan blade and mulches it into a collection bag. Unfortunately, if the material's dry, it powders it up pretty well, even on the lowest setting. When the time comes to invest in a machine that mill as fast and accurately as possible, look no further than a Futurola shredder. 


Jason Showard - 00:05:29 

When choosing your desired mill size. There's a lot of factors to consider. Mill it too fine, and it will break more cell walls in the material, allowing for more chlorophyll and undesirables to be extracted. The finer the particle size, the more ethanol will be retained in the biomass after the spin cycle of your centrifugal extraction. After a run through the centrifuge, all of the ethanol that is retained in the biomass, is not only a loss of ethanol, but a loss of desirable oil that you've just dissolved into the ethanol. 


Jason Showard - 00:05:59 

This ethanol retention loss issue is often compounded by the fact that the same batch of ethanol is regularly re-chilled and used to extract from multiple batches of biomass, before being run through an evaporator and having the oil separated out of it. The process of evaporation and ethanol recovery is often a lab's biggest bottleneck. So it's a current industry standard to use one batch of ethanol to extract from multiple batches of biomass. From a solubility standpoint, there's probably room to dissolve seven or eight batches of biomass into the ethanol. 


Jason Showard - 00:06:30 

But your loss rate from the ethanol retention in the spun biomass would make this inefficient. The correct mill size for your extraction recipes is critical. You'll be able to extract slightly more with a smaller mill size because the ethanol will be able to make contact with more of the surface area of your biomass in the centrifuge. But more of the ethanol will be lost to retention in your biomass after the spin cycle. Your particle size decision should be made based on the following factors. 


Jason Showard - 00:06:57 

One, what is your evaporation capacity? If you can run your ethanol through one bag of biomass and send it off to evaporation without bottlenecking yourself at the evaporation stage, this is the best way to minimize loss of oil. However, if this is the case, you'd probably be better off buying an additional centrifuge and figuring out how to send miscella that has two or three passes on it to the evaporator. 


Jason Showard - 00:07:19 

Two, what is your cost of ethanol? If you're paying a premium for ethanol, then the ethanol loss in finely milled material will start to add up. It isn't going to make or break your operation, but it is one factor to consider when making mill-size decisions. Cost-cutting is going to become a bigger factor, with the industry heading towards larger, more streamlined operations producing more product. 


Jason Showard - 00:07:42 

Three, what is the cost and accessibility of your biomass? If you can get biomass readily and inexpensively, then the extraction efficiency may not be as important as it would be if you were paying a premium for it. If this is the case, larger particle size, that may leave a small amount of desirables behind, but won't retain as much ethanol, may be ideal. 


Jason Showard - 00:08:02 

Four, what is the demand for your finished goods? If there's an infinite demand for your finished product and as soon as it's produced, it's out the door. The goal should be to produce as much as possible, as fast as possible. That said, it may be worth the retention loss, to run your ethanol through more bags of biomass than you otherwise would so that your miscella is as rich as possible. 


Jason Showard - 00:08:23 

This will decrease evaporation time and increase your gross output. If three or more bags will be run on one batch of ethanol, keeping the mill size between a quarter-inch and five 16th inch is ideal. In my experience, a quarter-inch particle size and two centrifuge runs, on one batch of ethanol was ideal after plugging in answers to the above questions. Depending on your variables, a range between three 16th and five 16th of an inch particle size is the sweet spot. 


Jason Showard - 00:08:50 

If you're running sugar leaf trim, larger particles are OK because they aren't dense. If your biomass has dense flower in it. Smaller particles are better. The idea is to make sure the ethanol has the ability to easily flow around all the surface area of your material. Sometimes the ethanol won't penetrate and extract from the center of dense snugs if they're left too large. After your materials build to your chosen particle size, it's time to back it up for your centrifuge. 


Jason Showard - 00:09:16 

Centrifuge bags are typically made from a light nylon mesh sewn into a tube with a flat bottom and a flat zippable top. These bags allow for ethanol to flow freely through your biomass and dissolve the compounds you're extracting. But they keep all the biomass contained so that it can easily be removed from the centrifuge after it's been extracted. Examine your bags regularly and be prepared to retire bags that have holes in them. Your downstream filters will definitely thank you. It's worth noting here that if you've done a good job milling your material, there will be less stems to poke holes in your bags and they'll last longer. 


Jason Showard - 00:09:49 

Well, now that we've gone over how to select your biomass and how to choose your ideal mill size, let's talk to Bri about how Futurola's shredders could help you get there. 


Jason Showard - 00:09:57 

The Modern Extractor would like to welcome guest Bri Tolp of Futurola to the show. Welcome. We're happy to have you here today. 


Bri Tolp - 00:10:03 

Thanks, Jason. I'm happy to be here. 


Jason Showard - 00:10:06 

So Bri where are you calling in from today? 


Bri Tolp - 00:10:08 

I am calling in from sunny Los Angeles where we are, you know, in lockdown. 


Jason Showard - 00:10:15 

I am also in the Los Angeles area, and also under lockdown. But hey that gives us plenty of time to talk about Futurola. So give me a bird's eye view. Tell me what you guys do as a company. 


Bri Tolp - 00:10:25 

So Futurola actually started in '96 in Amsterdam. We were a Futurola coffee shop. Funny enough. And if you go there now you'll see Futurola rolling papers and everything in all the different coffee shops all over Amsterdam. When we first started, though, we were focused more on the consumer side of things. You know, so we did rolling papers, grinders, these really incredible hand rollers that are just really simple and easy to use. Once we decided to bring it to the US, we started pushing that same market here, grinder's, rolling papers, all these different accessories. 


Bri Tolp - 00:11:00 

But going to all these trade shows and talking to all these different companies, we realized there was, that there was really something that was lacking here. That there's all these people that are, they're producing pre-rolls and they're doing all these different things, but they don't have a solution for it. So we started building the brand, and we started coming up with ideas to make things easier, streamlined and just better for production. That's when we created the cones. That's when we came out with the Knockbox, which is the machine that does a hundred pre-rolls in two minutes, which we actually just released a new one that does three hundred in two minutes. 


Bri Tolp - 00:11:34 

That's when we developed the first shredder, which I know we'll touch base on this, you know, shortly. You know, so we really went from this consumer side of things to more of now business to business now. Where we're working with these companies to help them fulfill their pre-roll needs. 


Jason Showard - 00:11:51 

Nice. So how did the Futurola's material prep products for pre-rolls become a staple of extraction lab material prep? How did that all come about? 


Bri Tolp - 00:12:02 

So we've, we created our first shredder in 2016, and the reason why that came about is because we had, right, so we had the lockbox. So we have this incredible, easy to use, extremely affordable piece of equipment that's going to produce a hundred pre-rolls in two minutes. But we don't have a solution for them to grind up their product you know. I don't know if you know this, but I'm sure everyone listening will understand, the way to grind a product was a food processor. It worked great. It's dandy. It's cheap. You have them at home. They're easy to get. But the problem with that is that you're not getting a consistent grind. So when people were using that with the machine, they're getting powder at the bottom, thicker material at the top. And when they're using it to run in the Knockbox, it's giving them inconsistent fills. 


Bri Tolp - 00:12:49 

So they're like, you have this incredible machine, why don't you have something to go along with it? And that was really when we created the shredder and from doing that. So I joined the team in 2018 and I worked at all these different groves across California. And our first shredder that we came out with, was basically an empty barrel with almost like, they're specialized weed whacker whips. They're moving on extremely quick speed to grind up the material. It's all based on time. 


Bri Tolp - 00:13:23 

So it's about two to seven seconds on average to grind up anywhere from one to seven pounds. But it's all based on time. So depending on the time you set and the material you're working with, that'll give you different material size. Now, when I came in, we had just released the super shredder. The super shredder is the unit that has a screen built into it. That's this three millimeter screen. So that screen is going to separate the stems and separate any other thicker piece of material that you don't want in the pre-roles. 


Jason Showard - 00:13:57 

Is that super shredder the most popular one used in extraction prep? 


Bri Tolp - 00:14:03 

Yes. And the reason being because when a lot of companies that are processing material for extraction, I mean, there's all different types of material that they're using right. But for the most part, they're getting a lot of biomass. And it's not like it's just clean, beautiful pieces of broken-down material. It's, there's sticks, there's stems. There is, it needs to be cleaned up. So by being able to process it with this screen in there, that screen is separating the sticks and the stems from the good product that you want to use. So there's no other sifting process needed after. And like I said, you're doing this in two to seven seconds. 


Jason Showard - 00:14:40 

Let me stop you for a second here. What I like to try to do is when we're talking about a machine on the show, I like to picture my listeners driving or not in front of a computer so they can't just click on and see what it looks like. So let's give a description of, you said the super shredders the one that's the most popular for extraction. So, let's describe the, can you describe the whole machine for me, and what it looks like, how it works and what it's all about? 


Bri Tolp - 00:15:05 

Oh, boy. I will try to describe this in a way that your readers will understand. Or your listeners will understand. OK, so the super shredder. So essentially it's, we have two different models of it. But essentially it's a, think of like a, just one big metal barrel. One big round metal barrel. But then at about maybe two feet long by two feet wide. Let's just call it that. At the bottom of it, you're going to have a hole cut out and on the inside you're going to have a metal barrel screen. That screen is going to have those three millimeter holes in it that I was talking about. In the center of the machine, you're going to have a rod with food-grade nylon whips coming out around it. 


Bri Tolp - 00:15:51 

So essentially, the product is going into the shredder. There's also, there's a lid that obviously closes and latches. But the product is going into the shredder. You're latching the lid. There is a small timer on top. You're setting the timer for super shredder, I'd say start with four seconds. I like to be safe in case their product’s too dry. And once you press start on that timer, these whips are going to spin around extremely quick, grinding up the material. 


Bri Tolp - 00:16:21 

It's going to push all of the good material out of the bottom of the hole in the bottom into a bag, and the sticks and stems are going to stay in the barrel, separated from the good material that you're going to use. 


Jason Showard - 00:16:32 

So the whips won't break up sticks and stems, but it will break up all of the stuff that's connected to those sticks and stems. And then that will fall through the basket or the screen, just from the centrifugal force or from the, just the motion of it getting whipped around inside of there. It makes its way through that screen and out of the shredding chamber, if you will, and then that falls down and out into some kind of a collection vessel. Is that right? 


Bri Tolp - 00:17:01 

Yeah, that's exactly right. 


Jason Showard - 00:17:03 

Right on so since learning that your products were being used for extraction material prep, have you guys made any changes to the shredder offerings that you have, or done anything designed specifically for the extraction industry? 


Bri Tolp - 00:17:16 

The changes that we did make in regards to super shredder is that when we first released it, we just released it with that three millimeter screen. Because that three millimeter screen gives you the perfect size for pre-rolls. Right. It's going to give you the same size as if you were to use a hand grinder. Still has some fluff and life to it. Most companies, when they're grinding up the material for extraction, they're looking for a little bit finer. So we did, we created a one point nine millimeter screen. 


Bri Tolp - 00:17:44 

So that's going to give them the final material size. Now, on the other hand, we also have a few companies that prefer a little bit larger material size for their extraction. And so we also have a four millimeter screen size. So that's what's available right now. And then we are working on some other things to keep your eye out on. I can't give you any hints right now, but we are working on a few other things in terms of capabilities for the shredders. 


Jason Showard - 00:18:11 

Gotcha. All right. Yeah, we were just talking to Adam Chambers from Delta. He said to say, "Hello." By the way, because he plugged Futurola shredders as the go-to way to get the best milling for the centrifugal extraction. 


Bri Tolp - 00:18:27 

Yeah, you'll have to tell him I say hello. Yeah, we see Delta's Separations at all of which, not every single trade show, of course, but many of the trade shows. And so we've been in talks with that team for a couple of years now. And they're actually looking to, they're going to be auditing the shredders as an option when selling their extraction equipment as well. 


Jason Showard - 00:18:53 

Nice. Yeah, when we bought our first delta, there was, they weren't really standing behind anybody. And there was a lot of experimentation to be done. I mean, we started out with the food processor, which took hours and hours, and there was somebody there food processing forever. Which was not the most fun in the, job in the shop. And then just gone through everything. We went to, at one point, I think we were working with a Toro mulcher that we were running on reverse to mulch, and that worked all right. But certainly, after using one of yours, it was just like, "OK, finally somebody made the right thing for the job." 


Bri Tolp - 00:19:32 

Yeah, and then, you know, I don't know if they've told you this, or if you have anyone else told you, but we even have clients that use them for fresh frozen material? Are you familiar with the fresh frozen? 


Jason Showard - 00:19:43 

I am. I'm familiar with it. How, what does your machine do really well for the fresh frozen? Is it just really nice with that consistency? 


Bri Tolp - 00:19:54 

Yes. And you actually, so with the fresh frozen. You wouldn't use one of the super models. Because the screen, that's just, you're not going to want to use the screen with it, at least not right now. Just because obviously the material does come up to temperature pretty quick. So the screen would just be creating an extra mess. But we do have clients that use the either, primarily use the mega or the custom mega, which are about five and seven pound units. 


Bri Tolp - 00:20:21 

They don't have the screen built into them, but it's just extremely quick for them to break up that material. I had a client that was using it and it was actually using the shredder in their freezer for a while. 


Jason Showard - 00:20:32 

I was about to suggest that yeah. Put it in the freezer. 


Bri Tolp - 00:20:35 

Yeah. And then I others that just were really quick on taking it in and out. And so they weren't doing it in the freezer, but they were just very quick to take the bags in and out and process it. 


Jason Showard - 00:20:46 

Gotcha. So determining the particle size on your machines, then, is pretty much primarily a function of whatever size, screen, or basket you have in there, correct? 


Bri Tolp - 00:20:58 

So far for the super spreaders? Yes, you're exactly correct. Whatever screen size you have in there is going to determine your particle size. On the regular shredder models. It's going to be based on time. And obviously, that time will vary based on the product that you're putting in there right. The weight, the size of the product, the density of the product, and then also the moisture content as well. So that can be adjusted just by adjusting the time on there. 


Jason Showard - 00:21:26 

Yeah, my next question was actually about moisture content of material. I know from all the experimentation that we had done at my old shop about, you know, from food processor onto Toro mulcher to hammer mills to all kinds of different stuff. They all acted very differently, depending on whether there was, you know, like a nice cure on the material or if it was just trim that had been kind of neglected after being trimmed and turned into very dry material. Which still has plenty of cannabinoids in them and definitely can still be extracted. 


Jason Showard - 00:22:02 

But it just makes the process of getting it down to the mill size you're looking for a little bit more difficult, the drier it gets. So with your shredders, how do they work with dry material? What would you do differently if you had some dried out stuff versus something that's got a good cure on it? 


Bri Tolp - 00:22:19 

It's going to be, again, a time thing, right? With the regular models. I always suggest less time. You can always add time, but you can't take it away. So if you over-run your product and turn it into powder, you can't undo that. So, yeah, in a case where your material is extremely dry, it's just a matter of less time. With the super models, it's still pretty much based off of the screen size. 


Bri Tolp - 00:22:43 

Again, it's not using blades, so you're not completely shredding it. The nylon webs do give it, even though it's very quick and effective, it's much more gentle. You know, we suggest about a nine percent moisture content on the material. Obviously, people's varies a little bit, but that's a pretty good moisture content to be using with the shredders. 


Jason Showard - 00:23:06 

Longer runtime, but probably a more accurate and more consistent final particle size, right? 


Bri Tolp - 00:23:13 

Yeah, nine percent is pretty good. So you'll get a little bit more accurate. As long as it's not. You know, it's kind of funny with the shredders, as long as it's not extremely moist. Here's really the key to it, right. If you're putting your material in there and it's not processing it for some reason, it's too wet. I have people that they put whatever in there and they tell me, "It's not grinding up, it's sticking, it's this and that. It's you know." The problem is you just need to cure it another day. Start with another day and then go from there. 


Jason Showard - 00:23:47 

Gotcha. OK, so for your super shredder, how long would it take to process 10 pounds of material down to like a quarter-inch mill size? 


Bri Tolp - 00:23:57 

About ten seconds. 


Jason Showard - 00:23:59 

That is fast. Man, that beats ours with a food processor, that's for sure. 


Bri Tolp - 00:24:04 

Yeah, that's and that would be using our, whether you use the Super OG that does three pounds or the Super Mega that does five and a half. The three pound one, you're looking at 15 seconds max. And the other one you're looking at about ten seconds. 


Jason Showard - 00:24:19 

So you open the lid, popped the material in there. What do you fill it to, like a quarter full or half full? 


Bri Tolp - 00:24:26 

You can actually fill it. You can fill it completely full as long as you're not, like, pressing it and packing it down in there. Most people I would say they typically fill it about three quarters of the way, when they're trying to fill to capacity. Some people fill it all the way up and then, it really just depends what the company is doing. 


Jason Showard - 00:24:46 

Gotcha. So with one of the ones that has the exit port, if you will, for the material to fall out of after it goes through the screen, you'd basically just be rotating it up, popping the lid off, fill in some material in there, put the lid back on, flip it down to its, it's on like a hinge. [crosstalk 00:25:05] 


Bri Tolp - 00:25:05 

So they come on a stand, they're going to come on a stand that has two wheels in the back. So they're again, just like you said, you're propping it up, putting the material in then you're positioning it horizontal, and running it. 


Jason Showard - 00:25:20 

So that probably takes, I don't know, not very long to do all of that. Flip it on its side, run it for maybe five seconds, and then you're just popping it back up to vertical refilling material in the machine and keeping that up. 


Bri Tolp - 00:25:33 

And then you can and then and then when you're done, some people like to dump their stems out. Because you actually can flip the thing completely upside down to dump the stems out of the barrel. Some people like to do that every run, other people will do 5 to 10 runs on the machine and then they'll dump their stems out. 


Jason Showard - 00:25:51 

I would imagine your whips last longer if you empty it every time. 


Bri Tolp - 00:25:56 

Yes, yes, definitely. 


Jason Showard - 00:25:59 

Right. How long do they typically last before you have to replace them? 


Bri Tolp - 00:26:04 

So the whips typically last about, I would say, anywhere from four to six months. Now, that would be using it pretty much all day, eight hours a day. If you are running, you know, a thousand pounds a day in there, you may need to replace them a little quicker. 


Jason Showard - 00:26:24 

Gotcha. OK, so I know I asked you this earlier and you kind of danced around it a little bit, but I just see it towards the tail end of my questions I got written down here. Do you guys have any plans that you can, you know, release here first about what you, any products to launch into the extraction industry or anything you want to, you know, tell listeners to be excited for? 


Bri Tolp - 00:26:48 

Oh, I wish I could give you more information. If we did this in a couple of weeks, I would. But we are working on making a few modifications and coming out with some new units to be, to have even more capabilities. Unfortunately, I can't give you any more information than that. But yeah. 


Jason Showard - 00:27:10 

So what I'm hearing is, there is stuff coming that is targeted at us extractors and we should keep looking at the website, keep checking up on what's going on. Where do you plan to release this information when it does come out? 


Bri Tolp - 00:27:24 

So you know the first people that will hear about it will be obviously some of the extraction companies that we work with. So Adam at Delta will be one of the first, and then you'll be able to find that information on our website as well. If you're already a client with us, you'll get a nice email blast. And like I said, if you're a client that we know does extraction, we'll be reaching out to you ahead of time. But yeah, just keep your eyes out on the website. 


Jason Showard - 00:27:51 

OK. So we're all stuck at home, quarantined, and not able to go to our regular networking events. BizCon getting canceled was a big bummer for everybody that loves to go out there and see their cohorts in the industry, and talk about what everybody's working on and what the latest and greatest is. But they did a virtual BizCon this year. Not as much fun as Vegas, but definitely interesting. What did you guys do as far as your offering for virtual BizCon? 


Bri Tolp - 00:28:22 

Well, you know, we love to be able to bring you the whole shebang, like we do at the regular BizCons. I don't know if you've seen our booth there. 


Jason Showard - 00:28:30 

I have. 


Bri Tolp - 00:28:31 

Yeah. You know video floor, video wall. For the virtual show, we did a booth for the virtual show. We had videos up that everyone could take a look at. But it's really hard to translate or to compare. I guess not translate, to compare the virtual shows and the real live shows just because you don't have the ability to do as much of these exciting things that you can do. You don't have the face to face. So, yes, we had a booth, but it doesn't give you the full Futurola effect. 


Jason Showard - 00:29:05 

Gotcha. I've seen your updated sizzle reel that you guys came out with when we first started talking about doing this interview. So I'd imagine you definitely had that playing. 


Bri Tolp - 00:29:14 

Yes. Oh, the sizzle reel was playing. That we just, that was a new video that we shot pretty recently. So we had that playing. That was the first thing you see when you came to our homepage or our booth. And that really, for most people, seeing those videos and seeing the machines in action, that that really helps them understand how they function. Because when you talk to people about pre-roll machines or shredders or anything in the industry, most people are thinking these big industrial units that take up an entire room. And are, you know, three hundred and fifty to five hundred thousand dollars for a machine that'll process pre-rolls and for these industrial grinders. And our price point is about four to ten thousand at your biggest unit. 


Jason Showard - 00:30:00 

Alright. So you guys are pretty close in price to a lot of the other machines that are being used out there for material prep. To wrap things up a little bit, what are you most excited about for the future of the cannabis industry? 


Bri Tolp - 00:30:12 

Number one is just the legalization everywhere. To me, that's the most important aspect. But in terms of like what I'm excited for, you know, on any other end, it's just it's really the innovation and seeing what companies do. And, you know, we've had, we have pre-rolls and you have flowers and you have edibles. Now you have tinctures and beverages and all these different things. 


Jason Showard - 00:30:35 

Yeah. It's interesting when you take the shackles of prohibition off and really let people run with innovating, how many leaps and bounds of advancement can be made in an industry as soon as it comes to the light. And people that aren't on the fringe are now able to be let in and be comfortable with it. 


Bri Tolp - 00:30:57 

Yeah, yeah, exactly, and it's you know it was so, when I started working in the industry, I was most like most other people you know, it was a black-market industry. You can call it grey areas, but that's what it was. And so to see it come to light. So, I mean, to me, it seems quickly. People have been growing for years, but it seems like if everything sped up pretty quickly in a couple of years, it'll just be really nice to be able to make it something that, an alternate option also in terms of medicine right. 


Jason Showard - 00:31:34 



Bri Tolp - 00:31:34 

There's all these incredible benefits for it. But there, even now that it's been legalized in some places, even though you can go into the stores and you can buy these different products that are supposed to help with this ailment and that ailment, unfortunately, because they can't do these clinical test like they can with other things, once they're able to do that and really put a lot more effort into doing research, they're going to see so many more benefits and they're going to be able to help so many people with a plan. 


Bri Tolp - 00:32:07 

Absolutely, yeah for me, being on the lab side of things, it's really, really exciting to see all the different cannabinoids being isolated and all the different compounds that are found in the plant, really being scientifically explored in a way that they just really weren't being before with prohibition. So I think that there's a lot of good things to come in the near future. 


Bri Tolp - 00:32:29 

Yeah. You know, before it was just weed. When you were younger, you bought weed. 


Jason Showard - 00:32:34 

It came in a bag. It was green, hopefully. 


Bri Tolp - 00:32:35 

Light blue, green. But you know, you know, fire kush or fire OG or whatever it is. You bought weed. And then it was you had weed with THD content. And then it was THC and CBD. And now there's CBD, CBN, CBG. So it's just really yeah. It's really incredible to see how the industry has changed. 


Jason Showard - 00:32:59 

Right on, well, if people want to get a hold of you or get a hold of the company or buy one of these fantastic shredders that you guys offer, what's the best way for them to reach out to either yourself or Futurola online? 


Bri Tolp - 00:33:14 

Definitely. I mean, you guys can, you can visit our online site, and we do have a page there. You can submit inquiries. If you want to reach out to me directly for anything, you can email me, my email's bri@FuturolaUSA.Com. And if you have any other questions that are kind of broad general questions, you can email our team at info@FuturolaUSA.Com. 


Jason Showard - 00:33:37 

Bri Tolp, thank you for coming on the show. 


Bri Tolp - 00:33:39 

Awesome. Thank you for having me Jason. Well, there are many ways to mill your material down to size. Futurola shredders are the best and will definitely make life easier in the mill room. As Bri said, you can check them out at, that's As always, if you want to hear about something in particular on this show, let me know. Email me, If you guys like the show, please subscribe. The more subscribers we get, the better guests I can bring to you in the future. 


Jason Showard - 00:34:13 

Stay tuned for next week's episode where we'll have Adam Chambers of Delta Separations on to walk us through Centrifugal Extraction as well as the ideal times, temperatures, and SOPs for the ethanol extraction process. Thanks to everyone for tuning into the Modern Extractor. New episodes will be out every Tuesday. I'm Jason Showard, let's talk soon.