The Pentagon wants AI that can fight wars — without limits. One of the United States’ leading AI companies says there are lines it won't cross. And this week, that standoff turned into an all-out confrontation.

To discuss the implications of the dispute between Anthropic and the Pentagon, including the determination that the company represents a supply chain risk, Justin Hendrix spoke to two experts:

1. Kat Duffy, senior fellow for digital and cyberspace policy at the Council on Foreign Relations, and
2. Amos Toh, senior counsel in the Liberty and National Security Program at the Brennan Center for Justice.