TA Ep. 170 Jill King - Exploring Non-Toxic, Bioavailable Skincare w/Honeybee Hippie

Jill King: Thank you so much. I'm so excited to be here.

Leigh Ann: So a little backstory for the audience. We've met in person at a couple, cause you're also here local to Orange County. So we, I've had, you know, the pleasure of getting to meet you in person at some of our local pop ups at the ecology center. And, you know, obviously we both know, I think my whole audience knows by this point that I'm so obsessed with your products.

I talk about them all the time. They're, you know. Yes, they're in my holiday gift guide. They're everywhere. So it's going to be so special now after we have this conversation to get to send people, you know, the real in depth topic of, Hey, this brand I'm obsessed with go listen to this full conversation and you'll get all the inside scoop.

Jill King: Well, I'm so excited. Thank you so much for this opportunity to share just everything about, you know, where I've been and just the journey and

Was this something that you had just been doing for a long time on your own, and then got to a point where you wanted to launch a brand around it? A little bit of the origin story there.

Jill King: Okay, well, interestingly, it's only been a brand for a little less than two years, but hasn't really even been that long. So my

Leigh Ann: know, and you've blown up, and I'm so happy for

Jill King: Oh, thank you. My background is, um, I have four kids and I actually have a grandbaby now. And just throughout raising my kids, I've always, you know, tried to make a lot of things homemade.

But I was very confused by it because I would go to the store and I would try to find, you know, I'd look at these natural brands and I'd look at the labels and I'm looking at them like, what is

Leigh Ann: How is that

Jill King: I don't, yeah, what and why is there, you know, sunflower oil in most of the, you know, natural brands?

I really want to try that. I had been meaning to, you know, ask her and I just never did. And for some reason, I never thought of looking up a skincare company and buying some. I just thought, I'm going to try making it. So I looked up a recipe and I, you know, bought some tallow and I started kind of tinkering in my kitchen and started using it.

And started sharing it with my family and they're like, wow, this feels really nice. And I shared it with, um, a friend of mine who owns a non toxic refill shop, Philip Buttercup, so Jamie. And I told her, I said, I'm not asking you to sell this. I'm just, like, curious what you think. And she was like, oh my goodness, I've been wanting to use Tallow Skin Care.

Leigh Ann: Oh my gosh. I love this so much. What a pioneer you are to just be like, Nope, not trying anyone else's just going to make my own right off the bat. I love that.

Jill King: Thank you. And I'm glad, you know, looking back, I was like, Oh, maybe I should have tried somebody's, but now I'm glad I didn't, because there was nothing to compare it to. And I think if I would have tried something like, Oh, it needs to feel like this, or it needs to look like this, or smell like this, but since I didn't have that comparison, it was really just like, you know, just, wide open, you know, what do I want it to be like, and feel like, and, and experimenting

Leigh Ann: Well, and you were clearly following some like nudges, you know, some divine nudges towards something you were meant to be doing, you know? And I think that always kind of leads you on a path you're meant to be on.

Jill King: I totally

I'm over here like cheering in the background, just. Like, oh my gosh, you go girl. It's only been two years and it looks like you're doing amazing and I'm so happy.

Jill King: Thank

Leigh Ann: So with all that said, Honeybee Hippie, you know, honey is also a big part of what you're using in your products. I guess maybe we should even back up and go give us the overview of the products.

Obviously, we've started talking about skincare and tallow, but maybe just give us the overview of what, what is kind of some of the range of products Honeybee Hippie has, and then we'll start to break them down a little bit more.

Jill King: Okay. So I only make things that I want to use. So I started with the, with the tallow balms or the tallow whips. And um, that's kind of the core of the product line. So there's two blends right now. There's the honey hydrate, which is the one I know

Leigh Ann: Oh my God. Obsessed. Mm-Hmm.

Jill King: you know, has the grass fed tallow, it has the Manuka honey.

So the, um, Those are kind of the core of the product line, I guess you'd say. It's what started out and then I would lay in bed at night thinking, I really need something for my lips. I've tried every lip balm, lip butter on the market. They're too greasy, too waxy to this, to that. And so that was one of the next ones like, I need to make a lip butter.

And so, you know, I have the, the hibiscus and honey

Leigh Ann: Mm-Hmm.

I've been, you know, wanting, I've been again out there looking for non toxic face wash, very confused at ingredients and learned about oil cleansing. And I tried the oil cleansing and it just was a little bit, I didn't feel clean enough. And then when I started talking to, um, a skin therapist, we were talking about, you know, using honey as a, as a cleanser because it's, you know, it kills bacteria and it's such a great cleanser that, that's when, Her and I talked and we, she gave me some ideas on, you know, mixing the honey and the oil together.

So that was the birth of the Honey Glow Face Wash. So that is a, um, it's a soap free, and it's honey and oil and herbs mixed together. Comes out kind of like a thick gel like consistency. And just cleans the face without stripping the micro, you know, stripping the skin of, um, the natural oils it maintains and protects the microbiome of the skin.

Great to use before putting on one of the talos. Um, I'm trying to think of some of the other products

Leigh Ann: I know you have some bath soaks. Actually, the hydrosols one, I haven't tried yet. I'll have to, I'll have to get that one in my next order. Um, you have some bath soaks.

Jill King: Yes,

Leigh Ann: I think you just came out with the castor oil packs.

Jill King: Yes, so the castor oil pack is a Chinese herbal infused castor oils. There's three blends and that's my only collab product so far. So I actually collaborated with a friend of mine that is a, um, Chinese herbal medicine doctor. She's an acupuncturist. She's got three or four different degrees.

Leigh Ann: Oh my gosh. I love it. I know there's so many. I just pulled up your website again and then I'm like, wow, there's literally so many things here. The lotion bar, the, um, the tooth powder, the magnesium butter, which I'm obsessed

Jill King: tried that one

Leigh Ann: Oh yeah, I'm obsessed with it. And then

Jill King: that is one of my

Leigh Ann: so, so many amazing, amazing products.

Literally everything is gold. This is why I'm so excited to have you on because I just can't wait for people to try. So let's get into, there's a couple like really key things I want to get into. Talking about Talo, benefits of Talo. I also really am excited to talk about Infusing herbs versus essential oils.

Jill King: So tallow is actually the fat from beef. It's beef fat. And it's funny because it's like half the people have heard of it. It's like, oh, I've heard of tallow skincare, that it's great. And then half the people go, wait,

Leigh Ann: I know, as soon as

Jill King: what? Exactly. Beef fat? But yes, it's the, it's the fat that's rendered down. So all the impurities are, you know, taken out of it.

It's actually shelf stable, which is one of the big questions. Like, oh, do I have to keep it in the refrigerator? But once it's rendered down and it's, it's shelf stable, so it is, it's beef fat. But the thing that's so amazing about it is, um, you know, so many people now are aware of how harmful seed oils are for our body to ingest them.

So it's, it's highly, it's, uh, readily absorbed and it's very, very hydrating and full of natural vitamins and minerals. So you see so much skincare it's like, you know, vitamin C, vitamin this, but with tallow it already contains vitamins A, D, E, and K. And so you don't need to add a bunch of stuff to it. And then obviously by fusing it, infusing it with the herbs, that also adds, you know, increased nutrition and benefits.

But it also has a great fatty acid profile that's, um, like I said, just feed, really literally feeds your skin from the outside and feeds your body from the outside in.

But can you speak to that too for a second of why that doesn't need to be a concern?

Jill King: Yeah, that's what a lot of people ask me that. Well, isn't it going to clog my pores? Because it does sound like you're putting fat on your face. You'd think it would clog your pores, but tallow is actually very low on the comedogenic scale. So comedogenic is It's how much it clogs your pores. It's very low on the comedogenic scale.

It's the same as jojoba oil, which a lot of people, you know, love for their skin. So that's what you, when you, when you're talking about breaking out or acne prone skin, you want to stay away from anything that is in even the middle to high, you know, to higher range on the comedogenic scale. Want to stay away from like cocoa butter, coconut oil, those types of oils are higher on the comedogenic scale, but tallow is very low.

Jill King: Yes.

Leigh Ann: the skin just sucks it right in, versus sometimes when you're using other oil based products, you feel like it's just kind of sitting on top of your skin for a long, long time, which I hate that feeling.

And of course, now I use it all over, you know, on my hands, if I get a sunburn, if I,

Jill King: Mm hmm.

Leigh Ann: if I get a, I had a bee sting the other day, I was putting it on my bee sting. You know, so many different things, so.

Jill King: And you're correct. It's so healing to so many different things. Eczema, um, psoriasis, um, I'm trying to think. Somebody just sent me a message about their little baby with cradle cap and they said they put the tallow on the cradle cap and it's the only thing that took it away. So yeah, it helps with so much skin

Jill King: that is amazing.

Leigh Ann: so cool, especially for someone who has like blonde, you know, blonde eyebrows, blonde eyelashes to have like that good growth from a completely non toxic product.

I love that. Amazing. And to the point we made earlier, so you have a couple of the balms that really you can use on so many things. Actually, I just had a friend the other day say, Oh, I didn't even realize you could use the balm for your face. I just use it for my hands and my body. And I was like, no, girl, get that on your face immediately.

Jill King: get, I get people like, Is it okay for your face to make this design for the face? It's like, for the face, you can use it on the body. But yeah, you can use it

Leigh Ann: yes. And then actually you came out with kind of the like pump jars of the magnesium butter. And then I think the California sunshine that is actually easier to use on the body.

Jill King: Correct.

Leigh Ann: what I want to talk about now is the herbal infusions versus essential oils. What made you decide to go that route? And then let's break that down a little bit.

Leigh Ann: Yeah,

Jill King: And I started hearing that, well, they're so potent, they're so strong.

And there was a study that I heard that they did with I think it was little boys with lavender essential oil, and they said that it was changing, it was affecting their hormones. And that really piqued my interest, like, oh my goodness, like I've been, you know, slathering, my kids were, you know, putting the diffusers on for a long time.

And so I looked into it and just really, you know, went down that rabbit hole with essential oils. And although I'm not completely against them for everything, I do think they have a place in, you know, healing and medicine. I really just came to the conclusion that I don't, um, care for them for the skin.

And no, and so, it's just to me, they're, they're too, um, strong, they're too concentrated, and the other thing is, they don't give you the whole spectrum of the herb. So herbs have so many great, um, components to them, and when you take the, only the essential oil, you're only getting one of those components.

It's kind of like, um, like orange juice versus eating the whole orange. Like if you want, you know, you juice an orange, you get this much orange juice, you'd have to juice 15 oranges to get a glass, and then at that point, it's just not. always as good for you because you're getting, you're not getting the whole orange, all the fiber and everything.

Um, just all host of other problems and, you know, like I said, when I did that kind of rabbit hole deep dive and then learned about herbal infusions, it just really made sense to me that, you know, taking the time to infuse them with the whole herb, it's very natural, it's um, very gentle on the skin and to me very effective.

Leigh Ann: This was something, because I had previously been using a different Talo brand before I had even heard of you, who used essential oils, and I guess, I think when you're coming from conventional skincare, the fact that someone would be using only essential oils versus nothing else that, that's toxic is really exciting because you're like, okay, thank, you know, thank God finally someone who's not putting fake fragrance, fragrances and all these different things in there.

Um, when I cut the essential oils out, the odor went away, the skin irritation went away, and that just for me was kind of that sign of, okay, yeah, it is, at least for me, a little too intense. And so when I found Honeybee Hippie, I was I haven't found another tallow product that I know of that infuses and doesn't use essential oils.

But I really do feel like your products are so gentle. I mean, I've used them for over a year now and have never had a single issue.

Jill King: I get a lot of people actually that give me kind of that same story that they've used other products and either gotten rashes, broken out, felt their skin burning, um, one girl even had like a huge, um, gash or something on her forehead and she said it was another tallow product that used essential

Leigh Ann: Oh my gosh.

Jill King: And I think the reason is because a lot of people want to cover the smell of the tallow because, you know, it's a natural beef product. And so in order to use essential oils for a smell, you have to put a lot in there to get that, you know, people, first thing they do is open something up and smell it.

Leigh Ann: Well, to that end, how do, how do you, how do your products not have a smell? Cause there's no, no bad smell to it. They're amazing.

Jill King: Um, the herbal infusion really does, it naturally just

Leigh Ann: Oh, that's amazing.

Jill King: smell. I call it a fresh smell because you don't really smell a certain herb necessarily to me, but it just kind of has that, that fresh smell and it is, it is from the infusion.

Leigh Ann: No, the honey, I mean, the honey one, I feel like I actually can ever so slightly smell the honey in it and I'm just Absolutely obsessed. Like I said, I use it everywhere. So that's amazing. Let's talk a little bit about some of the other, some of the other products. So the tallow balms are your main products.

Again, it's tallow infused. Oh, this is what I wanted to ask. I remember. Tell me about the infusion process though. I mean, how does that even work? Are you, how do you get that in the tallow? Cause the tallow is, I think initially kind of hard.

Kind of like you would, well, the cold infusion is different, but the, the warm infusion, which is what I do with the tallow, is kind of like making tea. You know how you, you get the herbs, you pour the hot water. Basically, tea is an herbal infusion, if you really think about it. And then you drink the tea, you get all the benefits from the herbs, but you strain the herbs out.

And so the infusion really is a extracting the benefits, and then taking the actual herb doesn't stay in the product. Um, sometimes I see things like infused with, I even see words like infused with essential oils, and I'm thinking, you don't really infuse them, that just means they're added. I think the word infused sounds so fancy that a lot of people like to use it.

Leigh Ann: Mm hmm.

Jill King: So, the tallow is a warm infusion because tallow is, um, a product that is not sensitive to heat. That's why it's great to cook with. And so with the tallow, what I do is with a double boiler, putting the herbs into the tallow, heating that water up underneath it, getting the tallow to melt with the herbs in it, keeping it on a simmer for a while, and then I actually turn it off.

And I let it sit for a few days because it takes a tallow a while and it's liquid and let the herbs extract out of there, but it's much quicker with a, with a warm infusion. So with the warm infusion, you can do it, you know, even a couple hours or like I said, a few days with the cold infusion. I like to let my cold infusion sit for usually about a month, sometimes two weeks, but usually about a month is what I like to shoot for just to get that full goodness out of the herb.

Leigh Ann: Yeah.

Leigh Ann: hmm. And then, you know, it's funny because I follow you, of course, on Instagram and I see your beehive. Is that where you're getting your honey from? Or no, it doesn't produce that much to actually get the honey for your

Jill King: Yeah, it doesn't produce enough. And we had the beehive was literally like, Ten feet outside my kitchen window and my back door and it was amazing like just watching it But my grandbaby moved here from Texas. They lived with us for about two months So right now the bees are with a beekeeper at some point We want to get them back and try it again But just with him coming over all the time and living here, we don't have the bees right now But it is we did that for a couple years.

It's an amazing

Leigh Ann: Oh, yeah.

Jill King: I've learned so much and just really just appreciate you know Bees beekeepers, um, honey, so much more. But I do get my honey from a local beekeeper. Um, and it is raw honey in Orange County.

Jill King: Um, well, just like tallow honey is great for the skin too. It's a natural product. It actually never expires. If you keep, you know, honey in a, with a, with a. Okay, we might have to cut this part out. I'm like kidding a little.

Leigh Ann: Oh, you're fine.

Jill King: But you know, honey is, it's been used for thousands of years as a medicinal product and it has so many vitamins, minerals, nutrients, and it's just, it's great for your inside.

Leigh Ann: yeah, we really don't have to over complicate things,

Jill King: I

Leigh Ann: you know, I think so much of modern beauty modern skincare is Weirdly over complicated where it's actually like nature has given us Really everything we need need of course now, maybe beauty standards are a little different So we feel like we need more but it's so simple and so nutrient dense and that's the beauty of it

Jill King: Correct. And I like that anybody could do it. You know, if somebody really wanted to, it's not something that's so proprietary that you have to have all these special equipment and special machines. If anybody wanted to, you know, get in their kitchen and mix up some honey, throw some herbs in there, make themselves a, you know, a DIY face mask.

Leigh Ann: I absolutely love that. Tell us about, cause you have a honey face mask and I'm not recalling right now. Is that actually a raw honey face mask or with the infusion process, do you, does it, do you have to heat it up a little bit so it's not raw anymore?

Jill King: So that one's actually not an infusion. It's actually the herbs just added to it. So it's, yeah, so it is raw honey. It has, um, cinnamon, which is great for, um, anti inflammation, anti inflammatory, really good for, um, detoxing the skin. It has bentonite clay in it, which is also great for pulling toxins out of the skin.

Um, trying to think what else calendula powder and a little castor oil. So really it's designed to hydrate, but. Really just to, um, just to pull those toxins out and to detoxify the skin.

Leigh Ann: Yeah. Again, I just love it so, so much. And then there's one other honey. Oh, your honey, your honey face wash. Mm

Leigh Ann: Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay. Amazing. And then I also wanted to, because these are newer products that I haven't tried or maybe they're just seem new to me and I haven't tried them yet. I would love to learn more about the Miracle Mud.

Jill King: The Miracle Mud is an amazing product. That's another one I get a lot of people, um, coming back to me and saying that it's helped their eczema.

Leigh Ann: Uh huh.

Jill King: So, the Miracle Mud has the same herbs as the natural Mamatalo. It's infused with, um, Um, Lavender, Calendula, Chamomile, and Marshmallow Root.

Leigh Ann: Mm hmm.

Jill King: And then, trying to think what else is in there. There's, I think there's some shea butter in the, in the Miracle Mud. And it's great because it started out as a baby, I called it Baby Bum.

Leigh Ann: Oh, yeah.

Jill King: And then I wanted, well, I want people to be able to use it on more than just a diaper rash. And so that's when it kind of transitioned into Miracle Mud.

So I try to let people know this is a diaper rash balm, but you can use it anywhere. You know, eczema, um, cradle

Leigh Ann: Mm hmm.

Jill King: cuts, scrapes, um, bug bites, you know, anything, any kind of skin lesion.

Leigh Ann: And then is it something that you're leaving on or is it more like a mask that you're taking it off?

Jill King: You can leave it on. Yeah.

Leigh Ann: Okay. Um, yeah, that's one of the ones that I've, I've seen recently that I haven't gotten to try. And then just as I'm going through your hydrosol.

Leigh Ann: Yeah, it's up there. I guess it says sold out. So maybe she has to put it in

Jill King: yeah. Yeah, so it'll be, it'll be ready tonight.

Leigh Ann: All the details. Oh, that's amazing. Yeah. I mean, I just, I'd love to hear more of what goes into choosing, you know, because I do think as a business owner, it can be so easy to just go, okay, what's. What's the trends? Let's just make trendy products. What are the trendy ingredients right now? And I know that's not the process.

And you already said, even to some extent, I make the products I want to use. But even, for example, with this butterfly pea hydrosol, what, how do you make that decision of, Okay, this is of the thousands and thousands of hydrosols I could make. This is why I want to choose this one.

It also has, um, helichrysum in it.

Leigh Ann: don't know what that is.

Jill King: helichrysum is another herb that is really good for skin healing. So that, yeah, so that hydrosol is butterfly peaflower and helichrysum.

Leigh Ann: Mm hmm.

Jill King: And I'm really excited about it. Hydrosols are amazing because they're actually made, uh, steam distillation of herbs. And so you take the herbs as a copper still, and the water, you know, steams up, goes in, and then recondenses and comes out as the hydrosol.

So what this does, it just separates the two without having the chemicals to have a mix. It separates the two. So you get the water moisture and then you kind of seal it in with the oil moisture of the tallow.

Leigh Ann: Okay. I'm so glad you're saying this because I just use the tallow and you're making me want to experiment with the hydrosols a little bit. So that's just quick spritz, you know, whatever morning or evening before you put on whatever the other things are.

Jill King: yes, perfect before using. So you just spritz your face, your face is a little moist, add your tallow on, and then I just keep one in my kitchen. I love to just walk by and like, you know, a little refresher spritz here and

Leigh Ann: All day long. Yeah.

Jill King: And you can use it on your hair, you know, you want to refresh your hair, you spritz it, you know, you have straight hair, but with curly hair, it's always like scrunching it up, you know, spritzing it.

Leigh Ann: Yeah. But can you, can you say more to that piece of I don't think I knew that, that the skin needs both water based and oil based. And

Leigh Ann: if not, we can skip it.

Jill King: from both. That's why when you live in like a human environment, a humid environment, you'll hear people that live in like Arizona. It's like my skin's just so dry because they don't get that water based moisture. That's just in the air.

So yeah, our skin really benefits from both. We need water, water, moisture, and we need. a oil moisture and so that's why it really makes sense too to use the hydrosol prior because your skin will kind of absorb the water moisture more and then once you put that oil moisture and especially the tallow, the tallow really helps to, um, build the skin, um, protective barrier and it really seals in that water moisture.

So it works great together.

Jill King: Yes. I always, being in 50, I like to say it kind of fills in the little, you know, wrinkles right here. I'll kind of like dab it around my eyes and then put a little powder or something. And yes, I agree. It, it really does help with the smoothness and, and kind of glowing of the skin.

Leigh Ann: Oh my gosh. So has your life just changed so much these last two years? I mean, you were a mom, it sounds like, you know, it sounds like your four kids were out of the house, going off into their adult lives, maybe for the most part, and now you're just like this full time amazing chemist basically over here mixing up these amazing concoctions.

It's been kind of a family affair and it's just been, it's been amazing.

Leigh Ann: It's so special. I love that. But you know, it's just so fun to when you zoom out and you go, I don't know, five years ago, would you have ever guessed this is where you'd be?

Jill King: Definitely not. Yeah, I would, I would have never guessed it. It really did happen very organically and it's, um, it's, I call it my passion project. So,

Leigh Ann: I mean, those are, those are the best ones so often. And, and I think the most sustainable ones too, because it's coming from such an authentic place and you feel that I, I, I feel that when I use your products, that there is so much care and intention that goes behind it.

You know, as you're aging, it's like we don't have to have zero wrinkles. It's just part of nature. You know, it's

Leigh Ann: yeah. And also you don't need 10 products

Jill King: agree.

Leigh Ann: to age gracefully. You just need maybe like two or three really high quality ones, really

Jill King: Simplicity is simplicity is very important to me and that's why I don't want to do an eye cream and I really kind of control myself as sometimes like, Oh, it'd be really cool to make this, but The products are so versatile like you said you can like there's a hair oil that you can use on your eyelashes your eyebrows Your skin even it's just it's herbal infused.

It's, no, you can just use it for

Leigh Ann: Yeah, yeah. Well, to that end, you know, such a versatile product in some ways is like a marketing nightmare because you can't just list it's for everything,

Jill King: Right. Yes, you're

Leigh Ann: even though it really is. I mean, this is I know exactly what this is like, in some ways, and what I do with, you know, my Evox and the subconscious work where it's like, it's like, Yeah, I could, I can work with just about any person, whether it's anxiety, depression, cancer, chronic illness.

But you do, you know, it's hard to market that. You want to be more refined at it.

Jill King: Right. Yeah, you're, you're very correct. It is, and like, even with the hair oil, it's called hair and beard oil. And part of me thinks, oh, if it had just a beard oil, probably more men would buy it. Or if it was just a hair oil, maybe more women would buy

Jill King: As far as what I use on

Leigh Ann: Yeah, totally, totally. And how you use them and in what order.

Jill King: Okay. Um, like you said, I make things that I want to use, so I pretty much use all of , all of them. My go-to when I leave the house is the towel bar and the lip butter. I make sure to keep that with me because Tell Bar is so versatile. You can rub it on your hands, put it on your lips, use it.

on your face. If you want to do that. I mean, it's, it's a great product and the lip butter. My lip butter is my go to because I don't really use lipstick or anything. I just put the lip butter on. But as far as a daily routine, um, I'll start with, I guess the night I would shower and wash with the Honey Glow, get out, spritz with the Hydrosol.

I tend to have very, you know, dry, frizzy, curly hair. And then I've been using the, um, menstrual relief, um, castor oil at night. And so I'll put that along for me, for it's not for menstrual, it's for menopause.

Leigh Ann: yeah.

Jill King: cause it helps with all the women's, you know, balancing of hormones and

Leigh Ann: Oh, amazing.

Jill King: I'll put that on periodically.

I'll use the digestion one. And I'll, you know, lay the cotton packs over and just go to sleep with those

Okay. That feels more accessible now. Yeah. I should try that. Especially sleep. I, I'm, I love. optimizing sleep because it's like however much I can get done in this time that I'm just laying here not moving for eight hours.

Jill King: Yes.

Leigh Ann: Why not? So I love that you're doing the castor oils at night.

Jill King: And then that's for my, like, face, for my body for the castor oil, but then the other thing I use at night before I go to bed is I'll, you know, get out of the shower, do the California sunshine on my body. Sometimes I'll use that for my face if I, I kind of switch back and forth between the, the balms and that for my face.

And then the magnesium butter. I put that on my legs and my feet every night

Jill King: Well, okay, so I've bought magnesium oil before and basically magnesium, uh, topical magnesium is magnesium chloride. It's the same magnesium you'd get from the

Leigh Ann: Mm hmm.

Jill King: to, um, our bodies need magnesium for pretty much every function. Like it supports, I want to say like over six or 700 functions in the human body rely on magnesium.

Our heart, our brain, our sleep, our hormones, everything relies on magnesium. Well, when we're under stress, magnesium is one of the first minerals that's depleted. And it's like, who's not under stress, you know? So, so pretty much we're all deficient in magnesium. And so you can take an, there's many different types of magnesium.

Leigh Ann: Mm hmm.

Jill King: into the bloodstream, and so there's, um, there's magnesium sprays, and I've used those in the past, but they're, um, basically it's magnesium chloride and water, and it turns into like an oily substance when you mix them together, but when you use the spray, it's very, the, Stings the skin a lot of times.

It's very drying and it just doesn't feel, it's like sticky and it doesn't, it just doesn't feel nice on the body. And so what this does is this mixes the magnesium chloride and water, which is the magnesium oil, with a tallow base and then there's some cocoa butter and um, olive oil and, I'm trying to think what else is in there, um, sweet almond

Leigh Ann: Mm hmm.

And so it's a great avenue to get the magnesium chloride into the, you know, on the skin into the body. And at the same time, you get this, you know, great lotion, hydration, so really you don't need to use anything else on like your legs and feet or wherever you're using it. And it can be used on achy muscles, on joints.

I just had a lady send me a message yesterday and said I use it, she uses it after she works out and she goes, it's like I didn't even work out, I'm not sore

Leigh Ann: Oh my gosh.

Jill King: a lot of different

Leigh Ann: Yeah. Well, to, to your point, let's, let's multitask as much as we can here. Just a simple magnesium spray. Yeah. Maybe that'll do the trick, but then you've got to go then on top of that and put your lotions or your whatever it is. So to be able to just one and done with the lotion or with the, yeah, the magnesium tallow.

Jill King: No, that's year round. Yeah, that's year round. So, people were asking for a bigger jar of the tallow butters. And, I'm like, I just like to pump something. It's just, to me, it's so much easier to spread all over your body instead of, you know, digging into the jar and stuff. And so, that's kind of how that one was born, is I wanted something that I could, you know, for a body, body oil or body lotion.

And so, that has the tallow and it's herbal infused with jasmine and orange. And then it's mixed, the tallow is mixed with, um, castor oil with sweet almond oil and jojoba oil. And so it has that lotion y feel, lotion y oily feel, I guess, a little thicker than an oil. And, um, yeah, I mean, I, I love that product.

Leigh Ann: Yeah. Ooh. I'll have to try that sometime on the face. To your point, having the pump is so much easier and I use it so much more for the rest of my body. And also, yeah, the little

Jill King: And it spreads easier because it's a thinner consistency. It spreads nice on the

Leigh Ann: Yeah, yeah, completely. I'm trying to think, I know I've already talked so much about my favorites, but I use, yes, I use the honey hydrate every single night, and then I have the magnesium butter and the California sunshine ones that I use on my body, and then the lip balm, um, or whatever, whatever it's called.

That, like, comes with me everywhere. That's like my security blanket. I do not go anywhere without that. It's so, so amazing. Those are, those are, I think, the ones that I use. Every single day. Yes!

Jill King: some of the other things to

Leigh Ann: Oh, I know. Yes, that'll be so fun. I think that'll be really good. And you know what's really funny about the hydrosol, particularly the roses?

Jill King: Mm hmm.

Leigh Ann: We believe in synchronicity.

We believe in like if If something keeps coming to you, there's a message in it, or there's something there for you, so look into it. And there's just been a lot of rose stuff coming to me lately, so I'm like, okay, what's the symbolism of rose? I need to look into this a little bit. But it's also just so nourishing.

Jill King: Yes, absolutely. Very, very good for the skin. Um, roses are very hydrating, help to build collagen. They're wonderful. And they're also, I do infuse the rose into the honey hydrate, which is the one you

So anything new, exciting, what's on the horizon for you? I mean, I feel like that's, it's so soon to ask that because you're still so early into everything, but any other things that you can share with us to look forward

Leigh Ann: You've gotta let me know!

Jill King: play with that one for a while because that is another product That's hard to find not full of essential oils because they everybody wants it to have that strong smell so I want to really think about what herbs would be great to infuse into it

Leigh Ann: Oh my gosh.

Leigh Ann: That was like the best thing you could've said. I can't wait. Yes, you'll have to let I will test anything for you. I

Jill King: And then, you know, there's also a new herbal sitz bath for the postpartum

Leigh Ann: Oh, amazing.

Jill King: And that's a great

Leigh Ann: are the bath soaks?

Jill King: Well, there's no, there's the bath soaks which have the dead sea salt in it, but there's also, it's called an herbal sits bath, and it comes in a bag and it has five, um, bags of herbs that moms can use for a sits bath, for a, like they can put a, make a tea and put it as a spray or put it in their peri bottle after giving

Leigh Ann: Oh, that's so amazing.

Jill King: that comes in the mama bundle as well. So, yeah, that's a, that's a fun product, I love that

Leigh Ann: I know.

Jill King: trying to get that information out for the new

Leigh Ann: Yeah. Oh, you should. I mean, we could do a whole episode on just mother support

Jill King: Mm hmm,

I, you have such a great Instagram. Your daughter's killing it with the photography, by the way.

Jill King: oh, thank

Leigh Ann: Yeah, it's amazing. Yes. Well, thank you so much. Can you tell people, I'll make sure it's all linked below, but tell people where they can find you, website, Instagram.

Um, there's some other, you know, places in New York and Oregon and some different, um, I'm trying to think where else. Some yoga

Leigh Ann: Amazing.

Jill King: estheticians now that are starting to carry a few things. But if you're looking just to get like the whole product line, Philip Buttercup or Reformation Refill, which is the one not in Orange County, would be the places to go

Leigh Ann: Yeah. As a side note, have you talked to Fermentation Farm at all?

Jill King: You know, I haven't, but I would love to. So if you know anybody there, let me know.

Leigh Ann: I mean, indirectly, not directly, but that just seems like a no brainer

Jill King: Yeah, I have been asked that before, and that would be a very

Leigh Ann: that'd be so fun. And I'm partial to that. Well, I have the ecology center right by me, so I can get your stuff there if I really need to, but they just opened up the new firm farm over

Jill King: Yeah, I know I want to make it out

Leigh Ann: Oh, it's so fun.

But definitely, you know, go through the website, try something. You guys are going to love it.

Jill King: thank you so much for having me on this opportunity to, to share

Leigh Ann: Oh, it's so, so fun. I'm so grateful for the time to get to chat.